Why isn’t Brexit being mentioned this election? | LBC debate
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- Matthew Wright hears from callers Olga, John and Paul after Lord Heseltine claimed the next general election could be “one of the most dishonest” in history, as both Rishi Sunak and Keir Stamer have not discussed Britain’s relationship with the European Union on the campaign trail.
0.00 - Caller Olga debates with Matthew Wright over why some Remainers are still talking about Brexit, when the referendum is not a recent news issue.
01.19: John says that the UK didn't have discussions about a no-deal Brexit until 2018, and that there were conversations that 'should have happened beforehand'.
04.26: Paul is considering voting for the Tories in the hopes that Britain rejoins the EU.
Dr Mike Galsworthy, chair of European Movement UK, said, as reported in The Independent: “Rather than a discussion on their future, young people have been offered national service instead. It is a betrayal of our younger generations that both the main parties are seeking to avoid any discussion of the European future our youth want to be talking about."
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Olga, phoning in directly from the Russian embassy to tell us how great Brexit was for her Boss wonderful uncle Vlad, and how we should just shut up about it. Or was she phoning in from Conservative Central Headquarters? One's much the same as the other nowadays.
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Putin wants us to be isolationists which will cost us thousands times more than brexit already has!
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Brexit was like watching your favourite library being burnt down by people who cannot read...
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Fed on lies of racism
They may NOT be able to read, but they can breed!
I thought the Germans burnt all the books in the 1940s, what were you reading. 😅
Uk gdp growth is top of the g7 and double the eu. Inflation in the uk is lower , we had higher growth since 2016 than our eu peer countries. FDI has been higher also.
Russian talks about the success of Brexit hahahahaha
yes Bwexit helped Russia invade Ukraine
Putin wanted Brexit of course
@@daydays12Just like Scottish independence.
In actuality Brexit did not happen. Yes the people voted for it but the people were always an irritation and their views not really relevant. Plus ca change, plus ca reste le meme. So the outward appearance may change... but nothing else. .What happened to Covid and all the Florence Nightingale hospitals? Like so many other stage managed props....quietly dismantled.
@@christinehallett3197 Well, at least Brexit happened for the EU !
It is still astounding that the "loss" of the UK didn't turn out to be a big one after all.
After all ONE trade/holiday/cooperation opportunity less for us but
TWENTY-SEVEN for the UK !!
I’m a Brit living in Ireland for the last 25 years. It really annoys me that Olga the Russian got a say and I didn’t.
I don't want to accuse her of something, but her accent makes me suspect that she still has close contacts and connections to Russia, and by that I mean media consumption. The Russian media celebrate Brexit and "our" Trump, so basically everything that harms "the West". It's strange to celebrate that in the country that should and it actually be punished by it.
A Russian telling Brits how successful Brexit was 🙄
so we all trust Russians all of a sudden. 😆
Well they paid for it....
Yes... and unable to challenge the argument but blaming the data as propaganda. This is the ridicule reality we are living these days.
This demonstrates the power of Russian state media, on its population and ex-pats... honestly the biggest threat to democracy ad consequently humanity right now... Don't blame the Olgas, blame the Oligarchs, the russian people don't deserve this either
To all those who voted for Brexit because you were unhappy about the levels of immigration or changing demographics, the joke is on you as immigration particularly immigration from outside of the EU has exploded as a direct result of Brexit.
@@Templeborough You are aware that FOM only applied to EU nationals, right?
I fail to understand what Merkel had to do with British immigration policies. Care to explain?
So those who were concerned and hoped Brexit would change it shouldn't have voted to leave? Not sure what your point is?
think that's the other way
around. it was struggling against ECHR that made us unable to refuse illegal immigrants, after Brexit and before. there was no immediate change it had to sink in to politicians what that change is. if we had stayed in the EU it would not have changed at all.
You have 28 likes so clearly many agree with you. Are you saying concerns over FoM were wrong and shouldn't have been a valid reason for voting Leave? What if nobody answered those concerns though?
@@c.c.8841 The EC(t)HR is a body of the Council of Europe, not of the EU. Leaving the ECHR (actually the Council) won't change anything because the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) enjoys constitutional status in the UK since it has been incorporated into British national law with the Human Rights Act 1998.
Olga sounds deranged and like a character out of Archer 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Olga sounds like Putins friend. Of course she benefited from Brexit.
Exactly what I thought
Bit xenophobic mate
Exactly when she talks her name look like she is Putin friend.
Brexit has nothing to do with Putin, get some please.
Certainly doesn't sound like Edna from Cleethorpe.
No, some of us always knew that Brexit was a load of lies.
Remainers told loads of lies
Yeah i did, but i still voted for it.
Anyone who had minimal contact with the EU via business or education and even travel knew it was a bad idea in 2016.
Unfortunately the uneducated masses were not in that position. And no amount of telling them that seemed to work. We are at the mercy of peons.
But this is key, what if you thought Brexit was a bad idea but didn't like the EU itself?
Most people that voted for it have never been outside of the council estate they were dragged up on
@@jimwest7107 It was a very nuanced thing, and should have never been put to the population in the first place. It took me weeks of reading to get to some kind of informed position on it and voted remain with some misgivings.
@@jimwest7107vote what does best for you? You obviously knew we were the EU. When had a vote for MEPs is a more fair way that FPTP. We had free and easy access to a load of countries we can actually see or live next to. We drive on the left, have the £, have a monarch, have road signs in miles, have different laws in Scotland hardly a great lack of sovereignty
I’m not sure I’ve heard of this Brexit thing before? Maybe they should advertise it on the side of a bus…
Yes a big red one that catches the eye!
And put a big fat bloke in front of it.
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Brexit enthusiasts (the tiny number who still remain) want us to "stop going on about" brexit because they know they were conned, but don´t want to admit it. Brexit is not "done"; every day you wake up in the UK you wake up in brexit and all its malign effects with absolutely no benefits. The only way to address this dismal situation is to deal with it; which includes talking ("going on") about it.
Exactly. "Moving on" should mean that you have to stop arguing whose fault is was to leave the EU and who played which role, but to just look at the problems, recognise the causes, and deal with it. Brexit caused many problems, so it is vital to recognise this. If you cannot (or don't want to) recognise the cause of the problem, it is impossible to fix the problem.
@@janickpauwels3792The cause is Brexit and the remedy is rejoining. Simple.
It was all a load of bullshet from day one
I was worried the EU wanted to become more in control of UK policies in the future though. Was that wrong?
@@jimwest7107 the UK was and would have been one of the major architects of any EU policy.
@@joeduffy3309 now, Europe dont want anything to do with us, and Spain wants to stop British tourists going there.
@@joeduffy3309 Not ‘the ‘UK’ - the EU loving bureaucrats who work in Brussels and get fat pensions. They’re about as representative of British voters as Gunga Din
@@mogznwaz People like Nigel farage'?
I’m sorry, - unpopular opinion incoming - but Brits have to take some responsibility here. Yea, you were lied to, but I (originally from the European mainland) lived in London amongst all of you. I saw Boris and Nigel talking, and it was quite obvious that they are the least trustworthy people on the planet. Why would you bet your economy on what they say!?? You also all know not to trust the Daily Mail and Evening Standard, and you read it anyway. Plus there are those geniuses that googled “what is the EU” after casting their vote. So, I’m sorry, but you really got yourself into this mess. Why would you believe such caricatures without any doubt!??
They lapped up the Tory lies it was music to their ears, every country gets the government it deserves.
16 Million people didn't and had their EU citizenship stolen from them.
_Brits have to take some responsibility here_ You are correct. It's very easy for people to say 'we were lied to!' but many of them *chose to believe those lies* because they really liked the 'Global Britain!' narrative: it made them feel all warm, fuzzy, important and patriotic inside.
I’m a Brit (unfortunately) and I agree with you
It was utterly obvious from Day 1 that it was all lies
And the other half of us that didn’t want what was being pedalled to us but got dragged down by the undertow… one half of the country has to take responsibility for its actions…
About 8 years ago, we had a family vote that resulted in us removing a window. Now we constantly argue about how best to deal with poor insulation without ever mentioning the giant hole in the wall where the window used to be - it is about respecting democracy.
No, it's about the hole in your wall. Don't make it bigger than it already is or you'll freeze to death next winter.
The difference is, your family can fill that hole in the wall, while Brexit can't be undone, except over the very long-term.
"Socrates felt that democracy could only work well if individuals were educated, knowledgeable, and able to think critically". Have a think
Lol, fill it in then, simple, unlike fixing Brexit
@@gailcrook2687 Brexit is what gives us the choice to fill a wall any way we want. And if we don’t the poor insulation is on us not anyone else
''WE WON''
is that what winning, looks like?
Also, politics are not supposed to be a game, with one side winning and the other losing. It should be about thinking what is best for the country, and finding solutions which are acceptable for the majority.
In all honesty, even if Keir Starmer was talking to EU leaders, there is no way they would consider starting talks again at this point. There is zero appetite for that in the EU at the moment.
That's not the issue. The issue is recognising how brexit caused a lot of problems, work out the exact mechanics, and then do something about it. The EU will certainly accept talks, if the UK has specific proposals to fix things. The EU is certainly not prepared to start a rejoin negotiation, at least not yet. That will take some years, probably even a generation or two.
@@janickpauwels3792 i think we’re basically in agreement
At least that £330+ million went to the NHS every week 😂😂😂😂
After they took out every other penny....
It didn't though, it was about 150 million and it was added to the covid budget, so dodgy PPE.
and goes out to outsourcing profits.
They never said it would
@@Gibbo1 "we send the EU £350 million a week- let's find our NHS instead -vote leave" - some people felt that was what was being implied.
We won, we also lied
Brexit has been a success, for the EU.
I don't think anyone benefitted except Putin.
How so? Just interested to know!
@@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl We got a lot of business in the Netherlands from the UK after Brexit. Just because of tariffs. It was way more profitable for them to buy abroad and don't pay the extra tariffs into the UK , especially when your import goes to the biggest port in Europe named Rotterdam port already. You would need to set up a new trade route and pay extra tariffs. Way easier to move your business to the EU, certainly if you had a office in the EU and Britain already.
@@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl Another point: Brexit is such a dumpster fire, that almost no populistic (extreme left or extreme right) politician even dare to mention leaving the EU nowadays. So thank you for that at least..
How? Is the EU flourishing? No. Are EU member states voting the way the EU wants them to? No. Do EU member states have the same issues we do? Yes.
7:23 Some people quite literally voted for the Conservatives to "get it over with". They didn't care about what happened to themselves or the country as long as they stopped hearing about Brexit in the news
So there's voters who don't want to hear about Brexit, and there's voters who believed in Brexit, and publicly telling either about how bad things have gotten because of Brexit is likely to turn them away. One wants to keep their fingers in their ears and the other doesn't want to hear "I told you so"
Don’t be ridiculous. Just listen to yourself - how patronising can you get?
@@mogznwaz I suspect you see yourself fitting into one of the two camps mentioned in the original comment
Hmmm I wanted my 2016 vote to leave honoured yes. Even if the end product would need some years of shaping.
@@jimwest7107 how many years roughly is it gonna take to "shape"?!
@@mogznwaz And thus you are part of the problem. Won't listen, think you must be absolutely right.
It doesn't matter what the UK wants. The EU isn't going to let the UK rejoin any time soon. And when//if it does it will be on the EU's terms.
@david Brilliant!
The eu terms would still be better than staying out
@@chilloutcentral2097 That's absolutely true. However, it will take a few generations until that happens. In 10-20-30 years, people will look at the EU, and how things work there, and then wonder "why don't we have that? Ah yes, forgot about brexit"
In London, all the Indians tell me that they regret voting for Brexit, that it was a big mistake and that the government deceived them.
As if people talk to you 🤣
@@seanmcneill1 💯 agree and depending where you are which area to be honest I don’t know what London life is all about 😂
@user You mean Indian people. Be careful!
@@chatham43 With what careful ???🙂
@@ChristianoRodríguez-h3k it’s clear you know nothing there really is no need to explain 🙈😂
No, Olga. We all lost. 🙄
We need another referendum and we need to get back into the E.U
Worst thing is to hear foreigners approving Brexit
Olga is Russian. They went to destroy the EU and NATO and invade all ex Soviet Union countries that are protected by NATO and EU.
There have been 3 referenda on EU membership and it stands 2 to 1 in favour of being in EU. The previous 2 votes were 2/3 rd in favour not by just 2%
It will take far longer to back to the EU than it took to leave it.
The Scottish referendum was eessentialy a voye to stay in the EU.
@@ecaeas4439Not for Scotland and Northern Ireland. They can join quickly.
There have been 26 referenda on EU membership from Denmark 1972 to 2018 North Macedonia. Greenland voted to leave in 1982. Switzerland had referenda in 1997 and 2001. Norway 1972 and 1994.
Denmark, France, Norway and Ireland all had referenda in 1972.
1994: Åland, Austria, Finland, Norway and Sweden all had referenda.
There have been 26 referenda on EU membership from Denmark 1972 to 2018 North Macedonia. Greenland voted to leave in 1982. Switzerland had referenda in 1997 and 2001. Norway 1972 and 1994.
Denmark, France, Norway and Ireland all had referenda in 1972.
1994: Åland, Austria, Finland, Norway and Sweden all had referenda.
The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't. The brexit reality is that voters shrewd enough to decode brexit would reject it
Brexit has cost us all, 5% of GDP, that's more than double the defence budget! Leave voters got what they wanted, less immigration, opps.
5 minutes ago it was 15%
@@springer3783 We won't stop going on about it until we REjoin. Everything is now broken and I'll support any party that suggests rejoining
@@triffid68
lol and we will not stop until we leave again and this will go on like this as long as we need it to.
@@triffid68
Typical spoilt children , this is what happens when you raise kids on participation prizes
@@triffid68
What’s broken ?
Is that Mad Nad with a Russian accent ?
I'm surprised that no political party is talking about Brexit!!! Not even Labour? Very strange...
The problem is that all of the parties were divided on brexit. Before any party talks about rejoining, they first have to acknowledge that they too were to blame. Labour is not to blame for this specific brexit, but plenty of Labour supporters voted Leave, and the party didn't have a clear opinion.
Brexit was lunatic, period.
Because of Rupert Murdoch and the right wing media
The fact that we have all been royally shafted is well worth talking about!
That's not Olga, that's Steve Carell trolling doing Gru
Brilliant !!!!😂😂😂😂
The enormous taboo elephant in the room. Try being Scottish. We voted 62 point 5 per cent to remain
@rosemary Nobody cares!
You also voted against joining in the first place in the 70’s
The referendum was not binding, its the conservative party problem, and still is us the people struggling with brixit.
Be honest now, if Remain won and I said it was only advisory let's have another vote would you have accepted it?
@maurice And you're speaking for the people maurice?😂😂😂
@@jimwest7107 It's an interesting point, but the vote was just so close. For the last 2-3 years the polls have shown the vast majority think it was a massive mistake. If we had a referendum tomorrow the majority would be over 60% minimum, so you'd be well within your right to say it's only advisory, but with the hindsight of the last few years, I think most brexit supporters would struggle to argue about the benefits of remaining out.
@@jimwest7107 The reality is that Farage and his ilk would keep banging the same brexit drum until there would indeed be a new referendum. Don't try to pretend that the Leave side would simply accept the result and move on. They would say "oh, we have 48% now, so if we just campaign a little bit more, we can get to 52. Let's get to work"
Face it. No other nation is likely to impose trade sanctions on itself. It was an own goal. Time for a re-match.
It’s not trade sanctions it’s trading the way all other non EU countries trade. Trade doesn’t usually involve joining a political union and having your laws made elsewhere.
@@mogznwaz most countries are in some kind of political union ffs …
@@mogznwazit is higher costs, more paperwork and longer delays. There is no upside to what we did to ourselves. We were conned.
@@snafutubeNo. they’re not. A political union is usually what you call a COUNTRY. Canada has a close relationship with the USA but I don’t see America making laws for Canadians in Washington, do you?
@@JdsfbgfvbvxvAll those things are
a. Normal for all the world’s countries dealing with the EU
b. A sign of how difficult it is to do business with the EU
c. Hasn’t stopped us INCREASING our trade with the EU
Lord Frost, the Premier Inn of negotiators. Not fair on Premier Inn.
Its the elephant in the room.
One of the many problems about political discourse is that politicians will not own up to their errors, hence Brexit will remain the enormous elephant in the room and be totally invisible to political leaders, especially during election campaigns.
Brexit supporter: we won, we left, get over it.
Also brexit supporter: we didn't leave, we didn't get what we want. That's why brexit didn't succeed.
Yes, absolutely! Why is this island still in the North Sea? It should be in the Pacific by now. Get on with it.
Also Brexit supporter - the EU is punishing us because we voted out.
@@juergenweidner1
Is that what you want? We literally move geographically?
@@blueodum
Well, the eu has tried, but the U.K. can’t be bullied. Think again.
Deluded person: Vote Reform
Both the Tories and Labour are noticeably avoiding this conversation, and during a general election campaign to boot.
For the Tories it is a monumental cockup on their watch. So not surprising they are not keen to talk about it?
With Labour its a bit different. It's down to the target voters. Brexit is still sensitive and a sore in some areas. A difficult environment for the topic in any form, so why not just leave it alone?
I think it's simpler than that - even those in Labour whose personal preference would be to return to the EU immediately understand that it's politically impossible right now and will be for a long time. Talking about it would both inflame a large chunk of voters and give false hope to a similar-sized chunk of voters. And after all that, the reality is that in the short - medium term nothing would be achieved.
"NOW we know"??
...we knew from the start
Correction: some people knew, others needed to see it for themselves.
There is no place for the UK in the EU anymore, leaving is leaving ✌️
Should anyone, from either party, knock on my my door to see if they can persuade me to vote for them my first question will be "Brexit, what are you going to do to mitigate the damage?" Without starting there we won't have the money to address all the really important issues that are causing despair in the Country.
I think that we won, here in the EU, right? Our teen pregnancy rate averages and binge drinking percentages of young adults have never looked better! And thanks for all the fish..
In the 1970’s we voted to join a Free Trade area! We never voted to be controlled and have our democracy over ruled! Most people in the UK I am sure would vote to be part of a Free Trade area, but we don’t want un elected bureaucrats in Brussels calling the shots
Ah you still don't understand a single thing of how the EU works. Never mind then. Carry on and enjoy your brexit. Come back when you (or your next of kin) DO understand how the EU is a partnership, and nothing is "decided in Brussels". Brussels is merely the city where 27 members come together to discuss what they want to do next. Free trade needs a single market, which means common rules, which requires political cooperation. The unelected bureaucrats in Brussels are just the civil service, carrying out the will of the 27 member states, through the Council and parliament. It's not THAT hard to understand.
nothing is going to get fixed until we get back in the EU
But getting back in will take years. In those years, things will not necessarily improve but we will be further through the process. Will the public be able to understand that being in the process will not produce results overnight and not turn their back on it? I think the risk of this issue being party political in nature (so one government could suddenly in the future decide to come along and cancel the process for votes) is too big at the moment.
What garbage....
LoL.. Did you forget what happened during covid when they tried to steal our vaccines that we paid for and we researched.. Did you forget that British Farmers and Fishermen couldn't sell to British Markets.. Rejoin the Eu? Why am I stuck in a country of fools.
Sorrry 17.4 million people voted to be worse off, brexiteers won we all lost,
the UK is at least 30 years from membership.
Bs it was a big mistake
Ignore the Brexit losses and it's a dumpster fire.
What an awful radio host, to be so patronizing, whilst being so naive. No, you listen to YOURSELF.
Brexit is great says the lady from Russia...
Some grotesque sneering going on here. The lack of respect shown towards people with other views is shameful.
Only because many of the people that voted to leave will not take part responsibility for the mess we are now in! I’m sorry but that deserves grotesque sneering. These people helped damage my children’s future.
@@palantirseas2022 But are we in a mess compared to the EU? The US, etc. are miles ahead but I can't look at the Germany economy or the France political system and say we should be more like them. We'll see what happens at the EU Parliament elections but the far-right in Europe is very worrying. Your children's future really does not depend on being a member of a regional trade group (do you really want them to live in a country whose laws are influenced by the likes of Orban, Meloni, Wilpers, Le Pen, etc?).
Sorry but I think you’ll find we are in a bigger mess than either the US or most EU countries if you do your research. Brexit was backwards self sabotage and the UK has become a backwards third world country. So no i don’t want my children growing up In a country like this. The only saving grace is that we are hopefully getting rid of our far right government soon so things may repair. Also the likes of Le Pen and Oban are still in the minority so will not be effecting our future, in or out of the EU.
A re-united Ireland will be the only benefit of Brexit. Get the Brits exit from Ireland and they can then do whatever they want to further damage England and the two hostage countries who are forced to suffer with them.
I think it is currently as close as you can get to a reunited Ireland. In reality there is frictionless trade/movement on the whole island, while there is new friction between NI and GB. I don't know if actually reuniting Ireland would make any practical difference.
You've broken every agreement you've ever made you were a lousy member and you're bad faith negotiators. As if we're ever letting you back in. 😂😂😂
We can let them in on our terms: 1) no rebates. 2) adopt the Euro. 3) stop behaving like children. Especially number 3 will be difficult...
No political party with aspirations of forming a government is going to insert a Brexit debate into the General Election campaign.
Why would they?
Keir Starmer has made the point on a number of occasions that Labour would seek closer links with the EU.
In retrospective the whole thing feels like a way to fragment Europe. Same forces are at play throughout the whole EU.
It was actually the goal of the ERG. They have speculated that BREXIT would trigger a chain reaction.
Yes, but most far-right parties are not talking about leaving the EU (anymore). The hot topic is immigration, but they want stronger outside borders. Nobody in countries like Italy or the Netherlands are proposing to fully close their borders.
I am Dutch, I laugh at English hahaha
I'm English, I laugh at us too 😅
Why
"Welcome to the brexit sir." 😂
From a country that just elected Geert wilders 🤣
Bishop of Dover on BBC says that France is not a safe country for those fleeing persecution. Do we really want to be in a political union with countries of that standing?
Brexit : noun. Best thing ever happened to Bri… uhm … to Europe.
Uk economic growth in 2024 is double the eu
@@springer3783after how many years of decline ? 2023 Growth is based upon the 2022 one.
And in terms of decision making in Brussels everything is so much easier.
@@Legendary4me
Uk economic growth is top of g7 and double the eu. Decision making in Brussels is useless , Ukraine , pandemic , Red Sea , all have shown eu incompetence, uk was months ahead on all issues
@@Legendary4me
Look at Germany if you want to study decline. Europe is now just a economic museum , British need to ditch these Europeans and go with USMCA agreement
@@springer3783 British exceptionalism at its best. If you really think so. There absolutely no way we can agree on that. Well at least we agree to disagree. Long live Brexit.
Matthew, you are my hero of the week, beautifully done
Time to rejoin the EU.
How about NO
All it takes is one country to veto, step forward Ireland, you brits ain't laughing now about sending all your immigrants there. The UK press has kept the fact Ireland has returned hundreds in the last few weeks pretty quite also
Hear hear! Let's get our Yellow Star back.
The UK rejoining the EU reminds me of a Ted Talk that explained how we went from believing the world was Flat, to the world being spherical.
In short, all the stubborn people who believed the world was flat eventually died out. That's why the majority of us now believe the world is spherical.
I have a feeling the same thing will happen here.
Make the rich richer and sod everyone else. IMO
tbh, we always here about these fights re Brexit pros and cons on these websites (I appreciate very much your approach too!) yet ZERO on how Brexit affected us Brits trying to make a living in EU countries..which has been a nightmare! re election my vote goes to whichever party offers a new referedum on EU memborship
Matthew, u so right about Frost, an obese version of Stan Laurel. He didn't have a Scooby Doo about what he was negotiating.
So the Tories brought on Brexit and LIz Truss and because Starmer doesn't talk about he wont vote Labour 😂😂😂
Who cares?
We don't.
R I.P Brexitannia.
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Oh yes, you have tried that before.
"Looking back, retrospectively...". Is there another way? 🤔
Begging in '75. Grovelling in '25
Maybe the security situation makes the EU somewhat more permissive, yielding.
@@JJVernig That card we'll play to keep the pound. Fingers crossed.
@@joemillar8305 What are you tslking about? The UK has been the US's lapdog for decades, shunning European security cooperation. Now they go to Brussels and tell them how important they are for European security, and think they can use it as a bargaining chip?
Clueless
If you want to keep the pound, keep it, and stay well away from the EU.
No cherrypicking
@@JJVernig And maybe not. Security cooperation is possible without the need for accepting a third country into the EU. Britain has been the US's lapdog for decades; that hasn't even got them a trade deal.
@@joemillar8305 _That card we'll play to keep the pound. Fingers crossed_ Cherry-picking already eh? The UK might have once thought it held all the cards, but now it holds none. The UK isn't needed inside the EU for defence. There's NATO for that.
According to that first caller, we only need 1 election.
Move on, dude! Treat brexit like your ex-wife. U pay alimony but at least u regain control of your life.... and your sanity.
Exactly! If the ex tries to stop you seeing your kids out of spite it’s her mental issue not yours.
I have gotten over the fact that we did ourselves over like kippers financially. What is not so easy to move on from is the fact that Brexit has made it exponentially more difficult to relocate to another country in the EU.
Just don't go for a swim or you could be swimming in not only your own shat but everyone else's 😆
You can pretend it's like that if you like, but it doesn't address reality.
The original EU referendum? Wasn't it the EEC referendum then?
Which was being in an organisation that was going to become the EU via the single market and customs union as explained and supported by Mrs Thatcher.
What she didn’t like - much later - was workers rights and consumer rights championed by the EU.
@@JohnSmith-bx8zb I was merely pointing out that the "original EU referendum" referred to by this presenter was an EEC referendum in 1975 and I just think it is important for presenters to present facts correctly. "The European Economic Community (EEC), established by the Treaty of Rome in 1957, aimed to foster economic integration among its member states. However, in 1993, it underwent a significant transformation. By the Maastricht Treaty, which went into force on November 1, 1993, the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) and became the first pillar of the newly formed European Union (EU). This change marked a pivotal moment in the evolution of European integration12. The EU now encompasses a broader scope, including not only economic matters but also common foreign and security policy, as well as police and judicial cooperation in criminal matters."
@@MrLitting And what a mess we are in now because brexit
@@JohnSmith-bx8zb Thank you for your opinion but this has no bearing on the point I was making.
@@MrLitting did you vote in 1975?
Hi - I'm a dyed in the wool Remainer and I weep at Cameron's stupidity in allowing a referendum to be held about anything more important than what should be the National Anthem. But to be clear, the 1975 referendum was about membership of the "Common Market" - a free trade organisation. We didn't vote to be part of the "European Project". I think a lot of Remainers are sceptical about the Brussels bureaucracy and wasted admin money, but we want to be part of the Common Market including freedom of movement and harmonization of regulations of goods. One (of many) problems with Cameron's insanely simplistic referendum is that the Leave campaign was never required to outline what Brexit would mean - highlighted by Teresa May's inane circular statement "Brexit means Brexit". We are the only country to have voted for trade sanctions against ourselves!
The first sentence of the Treaty of Rome,1957, establishing the EEC, refers to 'ever closer union'. If you think you voted for a common market, you didn't inform yourself properly, as 'a dyed in the wool remainer'. If dyed in the wool remainers are only interested in the Single Market, as most of them seem to be, stay out, then we'll all be satisfied
I find the brexit very funny. The discussions in yours Parlament was great. I hope it will be come a 2. Season. 👍
Brexit was about change! The vote was about not wanting to be part of an organisation that dictated how we lived, the trouble is we didn’t have a parliament that believed in Brexit. A general election was called based on getting Brexit done and delivered an 80 seat majority. The trouble is the conservatives did nothing with the 80 seat majority they where given on the basis of getting Brexit done the country voted twice and twice Brexit won.
What exactly should have changed in your book? And what exactly prevented you from living the way you wanted while the UK was a member of the EU?
John mate, some of us saw this coming
Matthew Wright is turning into a clone of odious O'Brien...🤮
She Has No Idea What She Is Talking About !!!
Boris lied to us aswell as farage
I'm still waiting for Brexit to be implemented 🤷♂️
We're still under nearly all the EU rules and paying more for it, can't wait until we get a proper government in charge who can actually govern properly and do well for this country
A conversation needs to be had. People need to be held to accountable for lies made. Overnight we went from strong to weak. Our country turned into a third world nation. Overnight.
That is a bit rich!
Never understand the "We won, you lost, get over it" line as if it is a football score.....we all win or lose together on this one, and it's pretty apparent that it's a loss all round.
2022. Figures from the United Nations. Since Brexit, the UK has become the fourth biggest exporter in the world, up from 7th place.
How can you vote for the Tories to REJOIN the EU? Are you mad? A party that got the idea to have the UK leave in the first place, and got people to vote for them now (maybe) want to make a campaign to rejoin and hope that people vote for them AGAIN???
It’s still divisive and neither Tory or Labour want to cause themselves any lost votes. The Tories will tear themselves apart if they even think about reversing Brexit. Labour know that they need to give it at least one Parliament before looking to change anything. So Labour will improve relations, maybe some defence pacts, maybe some work on immigration, that sort of thing.
The first woman is Eastern European. She agrees with brexit because it was the right thing
Becuase the EU symposium changes it's name to the WEF in 1987.
It's too soon. Brexit isn't something that will work overnight especially with how little planning there was.
The core issues that caused Brexit still haven't been dealt with by our politicians, some have been made worse. I think its fine to discuss it, but its going to take time before there is another "once in a generation" vote.
Is Olga getting income from a rich uncle in Russia by any chance? Because the only people who benefit from brexit are rich individuals who use it to get around any restrictions thge EU would otherwise impose. Usually for reasons which benefit the rest of us
The reason people say we won and we shouldn't discuss it is because they don't want to have to be faced with the truth of it. Olga is an ostrich - head in the sand and ignore the truth.
Olga is probably making that call from a padded cell. She sounded deranged.
@wayward And you don't thankfully for the future of this country!
Why are they not talking about the Norman conquest?
Labour believe that Brexit is a risky issue to campaign on if they want to win the upcoming GE. Me too. The conditions need to be right before they take this back to the country in another Referendum. As one of the callers remarked, give them their first term to stabilise our country and start to debate the subject in the term after that.
Its going ok..our company has thrived
You brits haven't yet understood (ahhhhhghh!!!) you can't do a referendum to DECIDE to join EU! Perhaps one to ASK to consider the possibility to trigger the start to the evaluation by EU to put your case in agenda.
I have a dilemma, I want the Tories gone, but the fact that Labour or the Lib Dems refuse to talk about Brexit makes it very hard for me to know who to vote for. I will reluctantly vote tactically which means voting labour.
Yes. Absolutely.
The action of the Prime Minister at that time resigned the next PM also gave up.Brexit never stood a chance of success .