Kramnik thinks Hikaru is sussy

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  • @Empridon
    @Empridon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2094

    Every Clickbait is another dislike

    • @justsomeredspy
      @justsomeredspy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +320

      Oh no, not more free engagement. Somebody stop this absolute mad lad.

    • @andrewgregger3081
      @andrewgregger3081 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +223

      Dude it’s literally not clickbait lmao

    • @vibewithme2318
      @vibewithme2318 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

      Oh no. What shall levy do with all your dislikes? How can he continue to do what he loves and be paid handsomely for it whilst being extremely happy if you give a dislike???? Oh no!

    • @ajxz123
      @ajxz123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +168

      PIN OF SHAME

    • @wahbi79
      @wahbi79 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

  • @mausball
    @mausball 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2184

    Levy: "I am not a data scientist"
    Also Levy: Bachelor's degree in statistics and quantitative modeling in 2017

    • @paul-juniorblack6151
      @paul-juniorblack6151 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +306

      Lmao wait he's actually a data scientist

    • @siegfriedkettlitz6529
      @siegfriedkettlitz6529 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +579

      He's very good at hiding any competence.

    • @negoblle
      @negoblle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      They’re two different types of nerds

    • @e4jasperi
      @e4jasperi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +212

      Kramnik is a nice example of the Dunning-Kruger effect (i.e. when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence).

    • @rpc301
      @rpc301 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +272

      also Levy: married to a professional data scientist

  • @Biskawow
    @Biskawow 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3777

    Plot twist - everyone is cheating except Levy and he is actually not only grand master level but the best player in the world

    • @MorningNapalm
      @MorningNapalm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +367

      Double plot twist - Levy is the only cheater left, and he is actually Elo 500, and we are all grand masters.

    • @davidanoble
      @davidanoble 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

      ​​​@@Sub_13Nepwhat do you mean "we"? You're in this coma alone and pretty much everyone on the internet is a figment of your imagination. Don't drag us figments into this

    • @darknessgaming.1
      @darknessgaming.1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@davidanobledo you even know sarcasm?

    • @davidanoble
      @davidanoble 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darknessgaming.1 🪞

    • @timepass4783
      @timepass4783 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      @@darknessgaming.1what??

  • @0x2d2
    @0x2d2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +781

    Best thing about this is Magnus trolling from the sideline. He signed the petition with "Only I am capable of this performance, expose this fraud." 😆

    • @cygnustsp
      @cygnustsp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      Lol, Magnus is awesome, I'm a huge fan boy

    • @Temptthedevil
      @Temptthedevil 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

      I want Hikaru to sign it with something equally snarky lol

    • @_Ike
      @_Ike 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      ​@@Temptthedevillmao that would be golden

    • @HaydenNK3
      @HaydenNK3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      no way is it true? Where can I see this?
      That's just too funny

    • @robin9740
      @robin9740 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      I don't know if that's truly Magnus. There's also "Hans Niemann", "hikaru's 'something'", "Gotham Chess".

  • @butuz628
    @butuz628 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2146

    kramnik never fails to not understand how probabilities work

    • @imightbebiased9311
      @imightbebiased9311 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +164

      He also doesn't understand ELO if he thinks that "infinity" is a possible score. If you win your first ever chess match, your ELO is not infinite.
      An embarrassment to Russian chess.

    • @DeNTaN2002
      @DeNTaN2002 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@imightbebiased9311 That is not actual rating it is initial rating. You enter your opponents average rating and how many match also point you scored. Computer predicts your initial rating. If you did 100% success computer simply says infinite rating

    • @imightbebiased9311
      @imightbebiased9311 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      @@DeNTaN2002 That's not what Kramnik has on his chart. It says "Performance: Infinite".

    • @HeartFallsApart
      @HeartFallsApart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      interesting

    • @housey_
      @housey_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      @@imightbebiased9311 While Kramnik has made many mistakes I do think the infinity performance is fair enough. Without a loss/draw you can't calculate the performance rating and it has no upper bound. An infinity marking as a substitute seems perfectly reasonable, reading it as an unknown performance rating with no upper bound makes perfect sense.

  • @ryzo7324
    @ryzo7324 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1059

    I’m not accusing him of cheating but what he’s done is not possible without cheating.
    What???

    • @joeeeeoj6975
      @joeeeeoj6975 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    • @otdeSai
      @otdeSai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      what?

    • @LORDH3LPME
      @LORDH3LPME 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

      Avg person who skiddadles arounds with their words because they are afraid of consequences in the case they actually propose an accusal of something.

    • @ryzo7324
      @ryzo7324 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@LORDH3LPME My thoughts too. Remarkable claims need remarkable amounts of evidence and no one has seen this.

    • @pixelpixelo9607
      @pixelpixelo9607 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Kramniks cat

  • @d4rksol123
    @d4rksol123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +287

    Kramnik implying that there should be scrutiny of even the top players is legimate
    Kramnik asking questions is legitimate
    Kramnik not understand basic probability and stats and lashing out on those that do, and are trying to help make him understand where he is wrong is beyond embarrassing. He is completely tainting his legacy.

    • @Axiomatic75
      @Axiomatic75 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well said, I completely agree.

    • @user-ll7eb9yd5d
      @user-ll7eb9yd5d 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I like how all the supposed PhD's in mathematics in comments here are repeating the same "he does not understand basic probability and stats work", yet see to not understand it themselves that 50% chance and coin toss argument along with "farming" is far from understanding how the probability really works.

    • @AspectNoir999
      @AspectNoir999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'll say this in easy words, he's not as good as he once was and he has problem accepting it

    • @asdfghyter
      @asdfghyter 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-ll7eb9yd5d you don't need a PhD to understand this. A basic stats 101 class is more than enough to understand that Kramnik is talking bullshit.
      Also, basic reading comprehension is sufficient, since all you need to see is that he actually hasn't provided any evidence for his claims.

    • @vijaykrishna7081
      @vijaykrishna7081 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AspectNoir999 True

  • @coachmcguirk6297
    @coachmcguirk6297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    To those wondering "why would someone agree to be farmed?" For that 15 year old kid losing to someone rated hundreds of points above you results in very little elo loss because you're expected to get stomped. Maybe one or two points a game. But there are huge upsides. In exchange for losing like 50-80 elo he gets to play like 40 games against the best player in the world in the format for priceless experience. And if he happens to win one he will get all that elo back. It makes perfect sense why both sides would want to play such a lopsided match-up.

  • @jesterlead
    @jesterlead 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +729

    Kramnik is clueless that Hikaru is FARMING much lower rated players for content. This is pure PUB stomping and it happens with every online game whether it's Ninja in Fortnite, Huskerrs in CoD, or Hikaru in Chess. It's literally like Michael Jordan up against a high school player and Kramnik is SHOCKED that Jordan wins EVERY game.....yeah, that's how it works.

    • @DaTimmeh
      @DaTimmeh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      Rafael Nadal vs Collegiate Tennis lol. Like, even if skill wise, the college player on their best day could beat the pro on their worst, there's still the mental barrier. And one guy has professionally done this for money for YEARS, while the other is currently standing in front of his potentially biggest idol.

    • @commentwarrior
      @commentwarrior 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ninja ever won 50 games in a row? Just saying

    • @cameronl1859
      @cameronl1859 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      ​@@commentwarriorIf he played 1v1 vs the same players dozens of times in a row? Yes

    • @jesterlead
      @jesterlead 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      @@commentwarrior Actually, yes. Ninja won 51 in a row in '19.

    • @dursti3016
      @dursti3016 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@commentwarrior i mean, taking into account that the average win rate in fortnite for a player is at least 1 in 50 (up to 1 in 100) compared to 1 in 2 for chess, this comparison does not really make sense. also, the difference of skill between ninja vs his oppenents and hikaru vs his oppenents is way lower, just because there are so many more people playing fortnite. which means in fortnite, there are many more people on the top than in chess (also according to google ninja has not been playing fortnite competetively for many years)
      so what you said doesn't make sense in any way and is kind of manipulative. if you don't understand anything about how statistics work and where the obvious differences for calculating probability between those 2 cases are, you maybe shouldn't post stuff like this. it just makes you look bad

  • @talonthehand
    @talonthehand 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +412

    "I'm not accusing X of cheating. Also X's records are not doable legitimately. I'm just bringing it up."

    • @auntypha5958
      @auntypha5958 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      jUsT aSkInG qUeStIoNs

    • @kvnjng
      @kvnjng 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      So INTERESTING

    • @MrDetectiv-uw8vc
      @MrDetectiv-uw8vc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Underrated comment

    • @HaydenNK3
      @HaydenNK3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      "No your honor, I didn't kill the victim. My hand was merely grabing the knife when it stabbed them. I'm not saying I'm a murderer"

    • @antoniomura1458
      @antoniomura1458 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How is "needs to be checked, in case he cheated", the same as "not doable legitimately?"

  • @chichopo_ow2758
    @chichopo_ow2758 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    Kramnik: "Someone tell me the numbers"
    Random mathematicians all over the Internet: "This are the numbers"
    Kramnik: "NUH-UH"

  • @nychold
    @nychold 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    So I pulled Hikaru's games from September, October, and November and wrote a program to determine his average, maximum time discrepancy and only found 3 streaks probably due to my constraints (40+ games, no losses, and only 1 draw allowed). But the average, maximum time discrepancy for those streaks are as follows (this is the output directly from the program):
    Streak of 50 games found on 2023.09.28.
    Average max time discrepency is 50.258s
    Streak of 44 games found on 2023.09.23.
    Average max time discrepency is 20.859090909090913s
    Streak of 46 games found on 2023.11.23.
    Average max time discrepency is 29.876086956521743s
    So your 30 second estimate is correct, and damn near spot on for the 46 game streak in November.
    EDIT: I re-ran it with 35+ games and 2 draws, and got this:
    Streak of 50 games found on 2023.09.28.
    Average max time discrepency is 50.258s
    Streak of 45 games found on 2023.09.23.
    Average max time discrepency is 20.548888888888893s
    Streak of 44 games found on 2023.09.23.
    Average max time discrepency is 19.94545454545455s
    Streak of 43 games found on 2023.09.23.
    Average max time discrepency is 19.588372093023256s
    Streak of 45 games found on 2023.09.16.
    Average max time discrepency is 12.30888888888888s
    Streak of 46 games found on 2023.11.23.
    Average max time discrepency is 29.876086956521743s
    So his average time is actually closer to 20 seconds than 30.

    • @Monika77ful
      @Monika77ful 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When I play I noriced my time passes sometimes even if Im waiting for my opponent to move. I just scips 5 seconds sometimes more. Is it possible that there is an advantage in having a premium account? Note: my internetconnection is always perfect. Maybe that also factors in in those winning streaks?

    • @maxoflo2
      @maxoflo2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That means he’s about 20 seconds up while reading chat, explaining moves and thanking subs? That’s crazy! Haha
      Shows the level difference even more

    • @Bezpolezniq
      @Bezpolezniq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      instead of this getting pinned and your work getting more appreciation some random kid started hating and got the pin of shame :/

    • @mansur_ali
      @mansur_ali 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what does this measure?

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Excuse me Mr. Computer Scientist but can you please provide your family name and qualifications? /j

  • @TENTAKILLSMOBILEGAMING
    @TENTAKILLSMOBILEGAMING 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +271

    Kramnik slowly becoming crazy same as fisher

    • @eliadcollinszachary5135
      @eliadcollinszachary5135 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I said this on his last video the Kramnik situation. Good to see someone else sees it too

    • @yegwheel
      @yegwheel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eliadcollinszachary5135 me too

    • @youngfreddy
      @youngfreddy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Except fischer's madness was caused by his childhood and upbringing issues, kramnik is losing his shit over a random set of games played by a incredible player, thats just pathetic

    • @mikeog2617
      @mikeog2617 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      But at least fisher was smart lol

  • @garymarks5044
    @garymarks5044 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +366

    Hikaru's streaks are not based on independent events. His streak of 55 is comprised mostly of playing the same people (lesser rated) many times. these are not independent events. This needs to be taken into account in doing any statistical analysis, which I assume will be done. It's not like Hikaru has a 55 game winning streak against 55 unique opponents.

    • @travboat
      @travboat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      Also, chess isn't random. Maybe Hikaru's brain was firing on all cylinders that day. Or maybe his opponents' brains weren't. Or maybe both.

    • @vvvJake
      @vvvJake 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      Hikaru also has a mental difference between himself and those players. Hikaru has absolutely zero stress, but the other players are facing their idol or a seemingly unbeatable opponent.

    • @lunatickoala
      @lunatickoala 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      Not only are they not independent events, when two players play each other many times, the stronger player will likely learn more about the weaker player's tendencies and be able to take advantage of that knowledge. Hikaru said he played a long (I think it was 40 game) private blitz match against Magnus at a hotel in Moscow and it was a mistake because Magnus learned a lot about his strengths and weaknesses as a result of that. The 1984 Karpov-Kasparov match is another example. In a first to six wins format, Karpov got off to a 4-0 lead after 9 games but it was cut to 5-3 after 48 before the match was called off due to concerns about Karpov's health and many believed that Kasparov was the favorite even down 5-3.

    • @MohammadAliQK
      @MohammadAliQK 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100

    • @theMerovingianMan
      @theMerovingianMan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If elo works at 3200s vs 2900s it works the same at 1500s vs 1200s and belive me I've bloodied my 1200 mates a shit ton of time in a row. I were to lose 1 game outta 50 I'd think I'd cry. The difference is just that wide.

  • @grogash90
    @grogash90 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    "It is not me that is accusing him, is mathematics". That is indeed a sentence of all times

  • @-JohnGalt-
    @-JohnGalt- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Kramnik is so very salty. He just can't seem to comprehend how someone could be so much better than he is; his ego just won't allow the possibility.

  • @Nunterr
    @Nunterr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +754

    Hikaru always explains how he plays while making the moves, so I dont think there is any way he is cheating.

    • @peeriuga5517
      @peeriuga5517 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      yeah fr

    • @midn8588
      @midn8588 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +171

      Yeah this is the big thing - he spends the entire time in games talking through his moves to twitch chat. This isn't like Hans Niemann hanging his queen in the post-match.

    • @God1stProductions
      @God1stProductions 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He has two monitors we know that, so who knows

    • @user-qz6nk1le5n
      @user-qz6nk1le5n 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      He can still Cheat by; 1.- Paying the other GMs to lose certain amount of times. 2.- By simple knowing everytime the opponent blunder, for someone like Hikaru a signal that tell him that is enough. 3.- A computer telling one move, previously and him calculating it after for the public. I don't think Hikaru Cheats but the idea that it is not possible seems ridiculous to me.

    • @madvier_8336
      @madvier_8336 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      he planted chatgpt chip into his brain to generate the explanation 😳

  • @nofatchicks6
    @nofatchicks6 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Kramnik realised after the Hans Niemann saga that it’s impossible to prove one didn’t cheat. He realises if he can sling enough mud in the direction of Hikaru, in the form of dodgy math, then some air of suspicion will remain. Truly devious.

    • @JohnDuthie
      @JohnDuthie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I think he's using Hikaru as a pawn. Kramnik wants Chesscom to admit that a higher percentage of people cheat online(compared to Danny's statement of 3% or something) or release the theory behind detection.

    • @ennocramer4703
      @ennocramer4703 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      All preparation for the upcoming candiates - uups, Kramnik just forgot: he did not qualify ...

    • @ultrafly100
      @ultrafly100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I don’t think anyone is suspicious of Hikaru at this point. Speaking personally, I’m actually even less suspicious of Hikaru now than I was before this started.

  • @Halberd38
    @Halberd38 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Kramnik went to the bathroom 200 times in 4 world championship games. I thought you might find this interesting…

  • @MorningNapalm
    @MorningNapalm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +203

    I think it is legitimate for Kramnik to want to look closer at Hikaru's numbers, but the tone with which he approaches the whole thing, his arrogance and choice of words, his questioning of the results of others while not publishing his own work, is quite simply something up with which I cannot put.

    • @AfonsoCL
      @AfonsoCL 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      "something up with which I cannot put", wait a sec, let me throw up real quick. In any case, I agree, and I think this is purely damage control at this point. He's all but directly accusing, which is effectively the same thing, and he knows the data is not on his side.

    • @MorningNapalm
      @MorningNapalm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Look that snippet up :) You will find something funny. Don't include "something" @@AfonsoCL

    • @jamesdavis3851
      @jamesdavis3851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice troll : ) Either way, "questioning" others' results is pretty generous. Makes it sound like he asked legitimate questions about their methodology, or pointed out flaws. I've only seen insults and broad dismissal.

    • @mikebarushok5361
      @mikebarushok5361 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice Churchill quote!

  • @yegwheel
    @yegwheel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Win streaks are a supremely stupid basis for cheating accusations.

    • @sirprize8572
      @sirprize8572 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      On its face, win streaks could be considered suspicious and worth taking a closer look at. The problem is, the only closer look needed here is a closer look at the elos and names of the players he was playing during those win streaks, and his wins suddenly become quite easy to understand.
      That said, a similar scandal broke out a few years ago with a popular Minecraft TH-camr named Dream, where people used statistical modeling to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was cheating in a handful of his speedruns, using a modified version of the game that gave him better drop rates for certain items. That accusation was totally legit and he later confessed--so sometimes using statistics to make a cheating accusation is completely warranted.
      But you better be damn sure you've done your statistics right or you're going to look like a fool, as Kramnik does now.

    • @0106johnny
      @0106johnny 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sirprize8572Dreams runs was a one in a trillion (actually even a lot higher) run though

    • @sirprize8572
      @sirprize8572 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@0106johnny That's the point. When you've clearly done a good statistical analysis and it shows odds that remote, then it's valid to make an accusation based on stats.
      The problem here is not the use of statistics in and of itself, it's that Kramnik's statistical analysis (or lack thereof) was laughably terrible.

  • @allengainzmma
    @allengainzmma 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    Kramnik: “My evidence will prove this dirty rat is cheating! You just wait!”
    Also Kramnik: “You see I wasn’t accusing anyone of cheating…. I was talking about a legitimate rat that cheated on his mating partner…….”
    Some people just can’t admit when they were wrong.

    • @waluigi43
      @waluigi43 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Calm down, let the statistics speak.

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly. He is in intense denial and refuses to accept any arguments that contradict his. “Objective” my ass.

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@waluigi43 They did.

  • @briancole4162
    @briancole4162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I love the idea that Hikaru played at an estimated elo of infinity for winning games against people like 500 points lower than him.

    • @yoseftreitman7226
      @yoseftreitman7226 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      There's actually a simple way to not get the infinity estimate: Add in one extra win and one extra loss. (So, 56 out of 57 rather than 55 out of 55). It sounds dumb, but it actually works (assuming almost all games are decisive and using the standard noninformative prior for Bayesian inference). Doing that analysis, he comes in around 3400.

    • @Jojels
      @Jojels 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not that deep, just math formula.

  • @benkelly2024
    @benkelly2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very sad to see Kramnik become the old man shouting at clouds.

  • @BlazingSun72
    @BlazingSun72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It really feels like Kramnic is implying that this is slots and that if you play Hikaru enough you should eventually win

  • @TheAtb85
    @TheAtb85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Kramnik is the kind of guy that thinks that beating a tiger and 1000 toddlers has the same chances.

    • @user-lv7ph7hs7l
      @user-lv7ph7hs7l 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah toddlers are vicious, I would pick the tiger every time (at least once).

  • @Waynechester_
    @Waynechester_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Kramnik acting like Hikaru beat Magnus 55 games in a row.

  • @saeer5038
    @saeer5038 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I can tell you that nothing beats the feeling when you are so good that ppl accuse you of cheating. That's just peak complement. Good job Hikaru!

    • @theKashConnoisseur
      @theKashConnoisseur 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      IDK, going on a diet and then being accused of using steroids also feels pretty damn good.

  • @_Ike
    @_Ike 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "he's better than me so hes probably cheating and im mad butthurt" sums it up pretty well

    • @geoffreygeorge999
      @geoffreygeorge999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      imean kramnik is stronger than hikaru

    • @_Ike
      @_Ike 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@geoffreygeorge999 in some areas, yes. Hikaru is better than him at blitz.

    • @geoffreygeorge999
      @geoffreygeorge999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@_Ike fair. But not in classical

  • @Som-yc4ql
    @Som-yc4ql 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Kramnik really deserves THE BOZO OF CHESS 2023

  • @KNNY61
    @KNNY61 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Kramnik needs to be investigated for conspiring with at least one other Russian chess player who shall remain nameless in order to oust Hikaru from the candidates - at the time it was last played it was said Hikaru didn''t deserve to be in it and yet he nearly won.
    They haven't forgotten. I'll be starting a petition for this, look for it soon. Such obvious attempts to subvert natural results cannot be tolerated. Investigate Kramnik!

    • @ultrafly100
      @ultrafly100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is probably the real reason.

  • @vibewithme2318
    @vibewithme2318 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +160

    Kramnik is like the girl that used to be prom queen. And then aged and fell of slightly, then the new prom queen comes up, and the old prom queen accuses her of cheating at chess. You get it. Dont judge me.

    • @Ryanlol21
      @Ryanlol21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      yes yes, really good analogy. this made me understand the situation really well!

    • @richard1522
      @richard1522 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ong

    • @deepakbisht4957
      @deepakbisht4957 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Prom Queen 🤔
      Interesting

  • @kingtaj
    @kingtaj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ok one final point - most of Hikaru's streaks were against the same opponents playing long sets of games. We've acknowledged that players might tilt in those circumstances, etc. But let's also look at the elephant in the room: the MATCHUP. Players in every sport or game match up better against certain opponents. We can find absolute statistical significance in many, many matchups across different types of games, where a player outperforms their "expected" normal against a certain opponent. It can happen for a variety of reasons - psychological, stylistic, etc. It stands to reason that when Hikaru is "farming" (i.e., continuing to play win streaks because it makes for great content and improves his rating), he will absolutely choose to continue playing in advantageous scenarios. And we can also clearly see (look at the data, Kramnik!) that when Hikaru plays opponents and his streaks are bad, he abandons them and finds better options. He is literally choosing scenarios where he's more likely to win long streaks! I promise you that if you compare these streaks against tournaments or other formats where he's playing a broad mix of opponents, he will perform far lower against the mix of opponents.

  • @kainxjm
    @kainxjm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +387

    Kramnik is living proof that chess ability and intelligence are two completely separate things.

    • @phanhuyduc2395
      @phanhuyduc2395 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      More like Chess vs Maths

    • @Joshwaheazo
      @Joshwaheazo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Well he did call himself the GOAT in his post soooo definitely a bit deluded 😂

    • @stasiso
      @stasiso 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you watched the full interview, you realise Kramnik has valid points of view.

    • @Joshwaheazo
      @Joshwaheazo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@stasiso If Fabi and Magnus and everyone else that plays him frequently think it's absurd then I'm going them over you and Kramnick buddy.

  • @zapalblizh
    @zapalblizh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    kramnik never fails to forget that he is no matematician

  • @rpc301
    @rpc301 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    I appreciate Levy being levelheaded about all this stuff and trying to present it in a digestible way. All the pettiness/cattyness/passive aggression that's clearly been simmering for a while in top level chess has really been a turn off. Nice to get caught up with less cringe

  • @13thCharacter
    @13thCharacter 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kramnik is clearly taking Levy's advice by never resigning a losing position.

  • @frozen1616
    @frozen1616 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I bet if Hikaru and Kramnik went one on one in 3minute blitz, Hikaru will kick his ass hard.

  • @shawncarter7188
    @shawncarter7188 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Its not a cheating scandal, its a baseless accusation scandal

  • @Alexchess99
    @Alexchess99 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +351

    *Can we just appreciate that Levy always includes chess in his videos*

    • @legodudeman3034
      @legodudeman3034 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Lol yes

    • @susguy446
      @susguy446 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes

    • @tabman1480
      @tabman1480 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      it's literally his main content bro what else would he upload

    • @the_Rampag3
      @the_Rampag3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Levy will never clickbait us and would never treat us at scumbags when we hang our queen 30 different ways on GTE.

    • @legodudeman3034
      @legodudeman3034 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tabman1480 dude it's a joke calm down

  • @kylben
    @kylben 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This isn't a cheating scandal, it's a tweeting scandal.

  • @ahmedshaban5232
    @ahmedshaban5232 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    If I didn’t see Hikaru playing in “Coffe chess” with 60 sec vs 2000 players with 3min smashing those dudes like butter i would probably doubt him but that man is a real beast he is unbelievable

    • @Johncornwell103
      @Johncornwell103 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That and the fact he has videos where he plans out a whole game and wins against top players after the first 5 moves.

  • @jamesrichard5557
    @jamesrichard5557 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Would love for Magnus to do a similar farm that Hikaru did against lower rated players and see what kind of streak he can get

  • @mrityunjoy3591
    @mrityunjoy3591 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    "Don't win too many games in a row" Gotham said it finally 😂😂😂

  • @etnrednal
    @etnrednal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    a Rating difference of 400 points corresponds to a 90.9% to 9.1% win distribution. So if Hikaru were to play a different opponent, but with the same 400 point rating difference, each game the win rates would very likely align to that. Him beating on the same guy over and over again is just not very well described by the elo system.

    • @scottekoontz
      @scottekoontz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      400 gives a 84% win, 0.4% loss, and 15% draw ratio. At 84% a run of 35 wins (no losses, no draws) has a 0.2% probability. If played for 1,000 games, there is a 30% chance of such a streak happening. Takes about 2,000 games to arrive at 50-50 chance. This is true whether you play the same person or not.

    • @jonsalvadori6275
      @jonsalvadori6275 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It would be true if and only if each game in a set is an independent event.
      Since they are not independent events, that sort of statistics is dodgy at best. Beating the same folks multiple times gets *easier* over time, not more difficult. You learn your oppo's tendencies.

    • @Danso_3000
      @Danso_3000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@scottekoontz "This is true whether you play the same person or not" is inaccurate. Like Levy explains in his videos, tilting is a thing observable in any competitive sport. Humans are emotional creatures, not machines. If people lose 10 games in a row, the pressure of losing so many times means they are not going to be playing at their best and are very likely going to throw the next game too. That is just one of many important variable factors that people like Kramnik are opting to ignore when deciding to focus purely on the number of wins alone, but the facts remain that it's the same people being farmed over a large number of games, who are also much lower rated than Hikaru. He can't simply ignore those facts because they don't fit his "mathematical chances of winning" narrative.

  • @thertcll
    @thertcll 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Lmao Kramnik is such a scumbag. The post to the math guy at the end after he asks for the guy's name and he gives him his a name -- he then asks in a second post for his FAMILY name. Jfc.

  • @NicoDavid
    @NicoDavid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think we should factor in that in those 46 games..
    Hikaru had the same opponents over and over again
    His win probably increases every time he understands
    how this opponent plays like he is getting used to
    the tendencies of his opponent.
    The Dude fought people 7 or 8 times in a row
    of course he would understand how they play.

    • @0106johnny
      @0106johnny 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, they are simply not independent events. If he wins against an opponent once, the probability of winning again only rises.

  • @findict52
    @findict52 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kramnik would make a terrible door because that man is unhinged.

  • @orbits2754
    @orbits2754 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    One thing that annoyed me w Vlad is him demanding to know the math credentials after Henk provided the equation he's working with. Credentials doesn't matter if you can't disprove the math. At the end of the day math can be black and white and if you can't disprove the math then it doesn't matter if a PhD provides it or an Undergrad

  • @4706DJ
    @4706DJ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He beat him into the next page…😮😅

  • @epicjen
    @epicjen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I think Kramnik lost his most of his critical thinking skills...

  • @davidhungerford3473
    @davidhungerford3473 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Classic "I'm just asking questions," routine from Kramnik. Fortunately, we've all seen this enough in other contexts in the last several years that I don't think anybody is fooled.

  • @streamanymovie3974
    @streamanymovie3974 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If someone is capable of cheating in a BULLET match, then they deserve to be grandmaster LOL

  • @user-ze7gt8qy7s
    @user-ze7gt8qy7s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    kramnik never fails to not understand how porbabilities work

  • @adityacalambur5198
    @adityacalambur5198 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Levy never fails to state that HIkaru stated something

  • @RoofingConnecticut
    @RoofingConnecticut 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think a good way to spot check wild streaks might be to give the player mandatory short timed puzzles which are replays of the best moves in the players streak

  • @SchuhCat
    @SchuhCat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Hikaru never fails to mention Levy in Chess

  • @pizzadogebrawlstars
    @pizzadogebrawlstars 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    “I’m not accusing hikaru of cheating. By the way, he should be investigated for winning an unusual amount of times.”

    • @Poggy
      @Poggy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What you "quoted" isn't a contradiction. Wanting an investigation done into the possibility that someone might be cheating is not an accusation that they necessarily are cheating.

    • @_Nonines
      @_Nonines 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      He can use as many words as he likes, but it's a clear accusation.

    • @aa-fi9ks
      @aa-fi9ks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Poggy So thinking someone might be cheating and demand an investigation, publicly btw, is not an accusation that the person is cheating. Understood.

    • @joshecker6907
      @joshecker6907 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@Poggycalling for an investigation into what? Him cheating. Who says he's cheating? Well, if it's nobody, then why are we investigating? This guy just wants to preserve his reputation in the event that he is probably wrong.

    • @Johncornwell103
      @Johncornwell103 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@PoggyI want investigation done on you for murder. Im not calling you a murderer, I just think you should be investigated for it.

  • @Lamentor219
    @Lamentor219 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There's a glaring flaw in his data. He's using the average rating of his opponents to estimate the elo of Hikaru. This assumes the players are playing at their expected rating. Then, he is saying if their average rating *based off of their elo* is 2950, then to obtain this record you should be performing as a 3620 or w/e, but this is assuming his opponents play at their expected elo in the small sample of games played. It seems second hand to use the average rating of your opponent in the calculation, instead of using the performance rating average of each game. I'm sure if you use the performance rating average from all games in question, you will most likely see his opponents performed on average worse than their 2950 average. Silly.

  • @reda4961
    @reda4961 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've seen a lot of titles about this subject but this one is the funniest and most unexpected by far. Only gotham could post sth like this

  • @audiomystic
    @audiomystic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kramnik is grasping at nothing. There is no substance to this claim.

  • @ScientistMuichiro
    @ScientistMuichiro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Levy never fails to be Levy

  • @gotchaya
    @gotchaya 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    What a sad little man Kramnik has become

    • @_mvr_
      @_mvr_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The data is pretty convincing. The emotional knee-jerk reaction from the americans is funny.

    • @waluigi43
      @waluigi43 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's sad that the people who watch chess don't think for themselves but trust "stars". If Magnus says that an analog watch is a cheating device you believe it, but if statistics show convincing data, you trust your "star", who is wearing headphones every game online.

    • @tor13128
      @tor13128 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@waluigi43 the star is Kramnik (he thinks he's a star who can lead a crusade). the irony is that his statistics are wrong. kramnik thinks he's holding the holy sword but he's holding dung on a stick.

    • @gotchaya
      @gotchaya 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed the data is pretty convincing that Hikaru isn't cheating and Kramnik is just delusional.@@_mvr_

    • @_mvr_
      @_mvr_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gotchaya source: chatgpt - lol ok.

  • @isavedtheuniverse
    @isavedtheuniverse 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kramnik is like your grandpa that just found out about twitch and neither understands nor likes it. The memes and irreverence cause him great pain as he sees it as an undermining of the gentlemanly endeavor that is the sanctity of his passion. Like a WW2 vet who is offended by COD streamers or something.
    Maybe he can't believe Hikaru is that good because he himself could never be that good.

  • @kintsuki99
    @kintsuki99 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kramnik is accusing Hikaru of cheating, he is just doing it in a coward way so there is no repercursion for doing it.

  • @roguecivilian6958
    @roguecivilian6958 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I can relate to Kramnik’s point. I too think everyone that beats me is cheating.

  • @user-we2yb1gl9e
    @user-we2yb1gl9e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Levy never fails

  • @tritiumsabre
    @tritiumsabre 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hikaru: Farming lower rated players for content
    Vlad: Farming Hikaru for content

  • @cameronwilliams889
    @cameronwilliams889 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every time he speaks it’s a different story. He CLEARLY accused Hikaru lol what?!

  • @coldblood303
    @coldblood303 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Kramnick is "just asking questions" AKA JAQ-ing off.

  • @nokhod1776
    @nokhod1776 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Levi:sacrifices the ROOOOOOK
    Kramnik : sacrifices the CREDIBILITY

  • @uyimehsamuel288
    @uyimehsamuel288 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Accusing a playful speed demon is something only certain humans can imagine...

  • @MantridJones
    @MantridJones 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the anomalies are probably not in Hikaru's game-stats but in Kramnik's MRI scans.

  • @italixgaming915
    @italixgaming915 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Here is my theory. Hikaru is not only a very good chess player, but he is also able to execute his moves as quick as he thinks. Both are rare qualities. In my opinion, this is the reason why he is so hard to beat. Hikaru himself also spoke about the psychological aspect. When you're facing Hikaru with only a few seconds left on your clock, there are higher chances that you end up blundering something. On the other hand, Hikaru is so used to playing with extreme time pressure that he doesn't feel any stress, so he can focus more on the game than on his clock. And finally there is another factor: like Magnus, Hikaru has a wide knowledge of weird openings that would lead to defeats in classical games but help him to win in blitz games because his opponents burn their time while they're trying to find the refutation.
    In conclusion I would definitely agree that such a series of wins would be "interesting" for classical or even rapid games, but in blitz, there are so many other factors that are not related to the strength at chess that it seems much more likely to happen.

  • @luisangel153
    @luisangel153 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Levy never fails to milk chess drama 💪

  • @sassyguysenpai
    @sassyguysenpai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kramnik digging himself a grave

  • @tor13128
    @tor13128 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    kramnik thinks he's a hero holding the holy sword but he's holding sht on a stick.

  • @SumNutOnU2b
    @SumNutOnU2b 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yeah sure, he's not saying that he was cheating. He's just saying that we should all act as if he were cheating. 😜

  • @Pikachu-kw4fv
    @Pikachu-kw4fv 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yhe funny thing is krammnik throwing "mathematicians did the calculations and the chances are..." gives me dream vibes

  • @krisdabrowski5420
    @krisdabrowski5420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    13:22 missed opportunity to say "What if they were scoundrels?"

  • @abdelrahmanessam3790
    @abdelrahmanessam3790 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Levy never fails to put the drama deep in us

  • @7mdan968
    @7mdan968 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Levy never fails to not be a GM

  • @milkytech2466
    @milkytech2466 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hikaru also gets a bunch of wins by flagging his opponent from a losing position.

  • @HelgaCavoli
    @HelgaCavoli 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hikaru's games speak for themselves.

  • @nigenbregu3099
    @nigenbregu3099 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gotham never fails to gotham

  • @krzysztofciesla5165
    @krzysztofciesla5165 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    GothamChess audience never fails to write "never fails" in their comments.

  • @Ariansiss
    @Ariansiss 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey! Love what you do! :) Best from Münich!
    I wanted to ask you humbly for content on Chess History. I would specifically be interested in why no one could play against Kasparav back in the day (except Kramnik of course).
    I do not really play chess myself, I just in enjoy hearing about the thoughts behind moves etc. (but you are probably already aware of this demographic.)
    I wish you all the best and keep up the great work

  • @jeffkeating7583
    @jeffkeating7583 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can't even remember the number of times I've watched Hikaru behind - completely lost, but in the closing seconds win on time or simply wins because of superior instantaneous moves.

  • @soyelsueco
    @soyelsueco 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Can we just appreciate the fact that Levy never fails to include Levy in his videos

  • @zfeazcesd1047
    @zfeazcesd1047 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i don't know how anyone could think vladimir was accusing hikaru of cheating...his goal was obviously the de-nazification of chess.

  • @eurabio
    @eurabio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kramnik has gone full GESTAPO.

  • @witreem
    @witreem 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    huge Props to Henk who stay very calm & patient against Kramnik during the whole discussion.

  • @Cumocumono
    @Cumocumono 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    Levy never fails to fill me up with cheating content

    • @kurtglathar5162
      @kurtglathar5162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Levy never fails to fill me up with chess pieces

    • @LORDH3LPME
      @LORDH3LPME 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Levy never fails to fill me up😩😩😩

    • @Som-yc4ql
      @Som-yc4ql 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Levy never fails to fill me up inside 😩😩😩

    • @L10kwnsns
      @L10kwnsns 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Levy never fills me up 😩😩😩

    • @ayushrudra8600
      @ayushrudra8600 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      💀💀💀

  • @owenmasry4778
    @owenmasry4778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    levy never fails to make videos

  • @Chess_venomenon
    @Chess_venomenon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kramnik please notice: Hikaru‘s chess speaks for itself.

  • @knazni
    @knazni 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    kramnik never fails to impress the vladimir

  • @sleep99PS3
    @sleep99PS3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    If Hikaru is cheating then chess is finished. Would be the very last person I'd suspect.

    • @Johncornwell103
      @Johncornwell103 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Either him or Magnus Carlsen.

    • @Axiomatic75
      @Axiomatic75 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Johncornwell103Yeah, if either of them were found to be cheating it would deal a huge blow to chess. Luckily it's overwhelmingly unlikely that this is the case. It's of course impossible to rule this out with 100% certainty but personally I'd be willing to bet my life savings on them not cheating.

  • @Luuckasg
    @Luuckasg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Krammnik is in need of media.. Now I'm 100% sure chess pros are not more intelligent than normal people lol

    • @alexbenzie6585
      @alexbenzie6585 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Depends what you mean by intelligence and taking one event and applying it to all chess players in the world is dumb anyway.

    • @oznoone6892
      @oznoone6892 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They are not, of course they are above average like most top athletes, but they are not some top 0,001% polymath geniuses.

  • @paypig919
    @paypig919 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nah kramnik just chasin the high ngl

  • @turdeaugottago114
    @turdeaugottago114 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    kramnik is completely insane