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Rishi Sunak has said he will remain as leader until the process to elect his successor has been agreed. But with the 1922 committee in disarray, it’s unclear when the party may be able to stage a leadership election.
In the meantime, Conservative leadership hopefuls are positioning themselves. Suella Braverman has been making inflammatory speeches in Washington. Kemi Badenoch has been attacking Rishi Sunak at shadow cabinet meetings. And Rachel Cunliffe reports that David Davis sees himself as potential LOTO material.
Hannah Barnes is joined by Rachel Cunliffe and Freddie Hayward on the New Statesman podcast to discuss why the Tories can’t seem to quit in-fighting.
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Blimey the conservatives have destroyed the country over the last fourteen years with a little help from the liberal Dems,and the new government is given 12 months . I don't see how the maths works out on that? Anyway they have done more in their first week then the previous lot done the whole time they were in power.
And who predicted, when Boris infected your country, that the Tories would be fighting for survival just a few years later? I DID! And what’d I get for it? Not a damn thing.
It's nice to hear the words 'opposition' and 'conservative' in the same sentence for the first time in decades
I totally agree we now have a government who cares about us instead of a government who’s only interested in themselves also I hope badenoch or braverman get in as the Tory leader then it will keep labour in power for years to come
👊🙏👏
I totally agree if we had a Labour government during Covid we would still be in lockdown and schools would still be closed and mask wearing would be compulsory for ever..Good ole Labour.
After so many years of the Tories utterly dominating our lives , I'm very pleased to be able to really not care what they do for a while.
Braverman is just plain VULGAR
Absolutely fascinating though nevertheless.
@@ScruffyTubbles In the same way Goebbels was?
Vulgar in Bravermans case, is a compliment
@@kellypaws well yes, I suppose so. Mesmerising almost.
@@ericburbach632 It is. Vulgar can be absent of mendaciousness. Braverman, is not.
Popular Conservative 😂😂😂 Popular, my brother in Christ? Talk about deluded.
PopCon = Population Conning?
- Kemi Badenoch really wants to lead the Tories
- Attends shadow cabinet meeting
- Gets leaked
- Only Kemi Badenoch's points are leaked in great details
- Kemi Badenoch is quoted saying no leaks
The perfect crime.
Tory "Wagatha"
@@deadandburied7626 the W stands for Wank
No chance
She should have picked a less racist party to join
😂 she has the looney tunes song playing 24/7
The Braverman plot twist: it turns out the hideous, sociopathic monster is, in fact, a hideous sociopathic monster.
Didn’t see that one coming.
the biggest electoral failure of the tories was making most people in the country poorer, making the services most people rely on catastrophically worse, allowing most towns and cities to fall into decline and neglect, and when people told them this was happening only replying with "the plan is working". Really, if they could have made peoples lives better and the country work with right wing policies then they wouldn't have been punished, if they'd done that by being more left wing then they wouldn't have been punished. What they need to do is take a look at the country, identify what is going wrong for people, and then work out what policies will actually fix those problems. Not what policies dark money funded thinktanks tell them will make the millionaires most happy. Or try to invent new none existent problems to distract people with. But actually look at what problems people actually care about and work out how to actually fix them. But they are the tories, so i suspect that such thinking will be beyond them
Austerity was a short sighted disaster.
It’s amazing how the little things like ‘making everything objectively worse everywhere’ can sneak up and cause this kind of shock loss.
Agree! ❤❤❤
they failed hard on immigration by conning their voters 4 times in a row which is why reform took a huge chunk of their vote share
Well said
Only in the Conservative Party can a man who is sarcastically known as 'Honest Bob' Jenrick be considered to be a front running candidate for leader.
I hope that Labour get OUR tax back from MONE and press for prosecution against the people who enabled the fast track to theft.
Absolutely right.
Oh no!
I’m out of popcorn.
LOL 😂
More needs to be said about the popcorn shortage
That's because I've bought it all up in advance...
Braverman, Badenoch and Patel have seiously harmed my self esteem. As a man of colour, I worry that people might think we are all like them - incompetent, loud, abrasive and horrible human beings. We really are not. I sometimes wonder if selecting such people for key roles in the Conservative government was/is the Tory right wing's master plan against immigrants and immigration. Then I gain some comfort from thinking about Truss, Johnson and the like.
I can only speak for myself but I've never for a moment thought they were anything but representatives of extreme wealth and privilege, who gave not a damn about any of us .
I certainly don't judge any of our greatly diverse citizens by their disgraceful example .
I feel like the reason why people of colour in the Conservative Party appear disproportionately cruel and self-centred is that it's only such people who sadly are able to overcome the racism inherent in the Conservative machine - they're caricatures of cruelty to demonstrate to the Tories that they're "one of them", despite not being white.
I certainly don't attribute the behaviour of Braverman, Patel et al to the behaviour of people of colour as a whole - those people do a disservice to the vast majority of decent, normal people that all ethnic groups are comprised of.
You're fine mate. No one thinks of people of colour all being cut from the Badenoch, Braverman or Patel cloth. No more than you'd associate me, a white middle aged bloke of Irish heritage of being like Jacob Rees Mogg or Jenrick. They're Tories. So most of us see them for what they are.
😂 make it make sense your self esteem is reliant on politicians 👀
Don't worry mate - you're alright by me. Regards Tony Sadler South Wales UK 🏴
67, white and content with the range of all the people in the UK.😊
I also think people get turned off by hate.
The Republicans in the US have also lost competence as well as their minds!
You can't lose something you never had.
Watching the tories destroy themselves has been the best entertainment to be had over the last 14 years. Less PopCon, more popcorn please Jeeves.
Sweet and salted flavour preferably with Tory tears
Braverman will do and say anything to cling on to power. what a drip.
Coz’ going to Washington to be interviewed by disgraced American podcasters worked out so well for Liz Truss didn’t it, Suella?
😂💯👏
I'm so relieved everyday I don't hear the word Rawanda.
And, the wind farms, i didn’t know i wanted them so much!
Relief is palpable.
❤
@@leecevictoria481 - Rwanda
They might as well after tearing the country apart and then salting the Earth years in advance because it was inevitable that labour would take over and fix the mess.
Their evilness should never be forgotten nor forgiven!!
Labour have never managed NOT to bankrupt the nation in the last 100 years ( what makes you think this time is different
@@michaelathanasiou2030 🤦 that old chestnut 🙄 and the conservatives have spent more than any government before them and that’s without the covid raids! The have trebled the public debt with a £140 billion black hole completely un accounted for.
They have spent the equivalent of £380 million every single day for 14 yrs!!
We don’t need any bs about Labour spending money after how much the conservatives gave to their friends!!
@@michaelathanasiou2030 That's not accurate - the problem for Labour at the end had been the 2008 financial crash caused in America initially, which wrecked our finances too.
@@michaelathanasiou2030which party has been in power the majority of the last 100 years..? Asinine comment to say the least...
@@michaelathanasiou2030okay for the Tories to wreck the country, though
You can bet they'll choose the craziest candidate as usual
Excellent! 🍿🍿🍿
Fabricant? A stars in their eyes Bojo... 😂
@@nanabaws He lost his seat
how the hell were these things reelected.
They definitely were not then what they have become now
There is not a small enough violin in the world.....
Watching the Tories in opposition makes you doubly glad they're nowhere near the levers of power
Farage is still in the pub celebrating his 5 seats. He's an alcoholic. 😂
5 seats is a lot for a new party
Nigel watching Conservative and Labour tearing into each while he is enjoying a pint on the back bench while taking note and calculating a plan.
@@cheekypop Labour’s first election as ‘The Labour Party’ they returned 29 seats.
@@methanedirigible remind me which century that was again
@@cheekypop 20th - 5 seats isn’t very good.
Interesting how many Tories who have benefited from immigration want to deny the same opportunity to others.
Why was Braverman in the US when she is MP for Fareham and UK taxpayers are paying her wages ?
Collect her cheque
Grifting
Who payed for her flight?
Typical behaviour from her 🙄
To spread lies about transgender healthcare apparently.
The cons won't unify. Their "Me first individualism, no society ideology will spur them on to ever more divisions. They purged most of the sensible MPs under Boris.
Yawn. It’s over for the Conservative Party. 🎉🎉
Yeah, for about 4 years. Then..... ? Back with a vengance!
@@user-bf2xi3lj2f They said that in 97… took 13 years, a global financial crisis and a Tory clone of Blair to change Britain’s mind
Yes Cruella is one monstrous thing.
Bad Enoch thoughtful!!!! are we talking about the same person who argued with the speaker and is know as been able to start a argument with no one else there !!.
She's best thing that could happen for Labour. She's as thick as a castle wall on her best days. An absolute gift
People would often prefer to view black women as daft. Badenoch is a fierce politician, with some very strong points
@@maximyles
It's nothing to do with her race or gender.
She's given frequent evidence of not having read her briefings, of not understanding basic facts about her department's activities.
And when exposed, she believes that increasing her volume, and insulting the fact checker are acceptable substitutes for diplomacy and humility.
Academic qualifications do not prevent someone being THICK.
@@maximyles 😂😂 she is an absolutely useless politician, even Rishi thought she was useless and that is a very low bar !
Badenough is just Keatenteng in a frock.
"Kemi Badenoch comes to her opinions by careful examination of the evidence" I actually laughed out loud. Is this the same Kemi who crows about the wonderful lucrative trade deals they've won, and how Brexit has benefited the UK in sooo many ways? I mean....
Freddie's description of Sualla Braverman is accurate and really hurtful for her 11:00
Is no one going to point out the rampant hypocrisy of Braverman ranting about mutilating children when she had her own son circumcised?
The Tories are tearing themselves apart? Quick fetch the popcorn!!!
'one of the statements that was leaked was "we need to make sure this is not leaked"' is such a thick of it line its insane
Rishi is now "Old King Log" (I, Claudius)
That’s been my view too. I hate their policies, but if they had been in any way effective, they might still be in government.
It feels like adults are in charge again now.
When it comes to the Tories ,nothing has changed.
The Conservative Party consists in fact of maybe 4 or 5 parties fighting one another.
It's safer for everyone that they are tearing each other apart rather than the country, like what they did for 14 years.
How cruel is this society? Where no one can quite bring themselves to truly condemn these people? Where the way to get ahead in poltics is to offer the cruelest possible policies while the media calmly discuss them as if those are great valid ideas?
Were the British always this awful?
Imagine if it comes down to Braverman & Badenoch. The members' heads will explode.
Please adjust the audio levels on all the mics, so that ones of the hosts isn't louder than others.
Or run the audio through a peak limiter or normaliser in post! Not hard
Lovely, isn’t it!
Braverman should have turned up at Westminster, not gone off to Washington.
Why bother they are insignificant.
I don’t understand why they’re splitting into warring factions over these issues. These are not irreconcilable differences. You can negotiate compromise positions on matters like public spending, taxes, and net migration.
Personal ambition is the problem, the need to stand on other's backs to claw your way to the top. In other words, these people still put themselves first....they all want the top job for personal kudos, money and power.
@@mjwilliamsb2676 Except they’ll be conquering a sandcastle. Because I’m pretty sure either a hard-right or a soft-centrist Conservative party won’t win an election. (Unless Labour fail spectacularly.)
Extremists never compromise. When they do, they get harakiri'ed, and when they lose they're banished.
Yes Cruella you are one monstrous thing.
Rachel Cunliffe is talking absolute bilge about Badenoch. She's clearly a superfan, pushing Badenoch forward shamelessly. What's the point in having her on your show? It does you no favours.
Please let Badenoch win. She is electoral kryptonite. She comes across as thoughtless, thin skinned and intemperate. I'd be more worried about the more level headed and likeable James Cleverley coming through as a caretaker. Cleverley can speak human, and is pleasant. Badenoch, despite people who work with her saying she is a perfectly decent human being, comes across as just horrible in interviews.
@@TheIdlesurferyou think tomorrow's leader will be relevant next election?
Oh no! That's terrible!
No, wait, not 'terrible'. The other thing.
Thanks -good format and content. Articulate and balanced. I would suggest you might benefit from some improved studio lighting.
He who wields the knife never wears the crown. Kemi and Suella have jumped the gun and shown their intentions.
Cruella Braverman...
Good .Let them take pieces out of each other. It's really no concern of ours Labour are in govt and can set the agenda.
Sowe learn from Kemi that Suella is a nervous wreck. Good The sooner she gets certified the better for the country. Only a handful of members will turn up to vote in leadership. We are seeing the dying throes of a Party.
As usual for Labour, oppn comes from thepeople sitting behind you, not from those losers in front of you.
There's no responsibilty as leader of the opposition - all you have top do is criticise. Sunak looked competent but I guess he couldn't cope with trying to keep everyone happy - which is 100% of the job, especially in today's fractured parties.
Wasn't Jenrick most famous for a corruption case in the housing industry ? Forgotten already ?
Not forgotten at all. That’s why he gained the sobriquet ‘Honest’.
Are they talking about the same Kemi Badenoch who started arguing with the speaker of the House and doesn’t actually know what trade deals she has negotiated!? Thoughtful and on top of her brief 😂
Does Cruella actually believe what she's saying?
She should use exactly that kind of language to describe exactly those kinds of people.
Probably, the best thing to do for the tories is to dump both...
Robert Jenrick? What a laugh. Bring him on.
We won't know for sure until the debate on the King's Speech, but Rishi Sunak's appears like he might both enjoy a few months as leader of the opposition and even turn out to be rather good at it. As for Suella Braverman, perhaps her actual purpose in Washington was to audition for a role in a second Trump Administration, in which case her speech was pitch perfect!
Suella Braverman, not Kemi Badenoch.
@@clarecrawford9677 Ugh! My mistake. Have now corrected. Thank you for catching that!
WHO CARES WHAT TORIES ARE DOING ????
Yesterday's chip wrappings 😂😂😂
Braverman also doing the country down whilst abroad.
Excellent! Wish them all the best.
Fact is no govt has been kept on after this length of time, so historical stats were against the Tories regardless. They also lost on competence, but also on corruption. They need to recognise these facts.
There is no such thing as a conservative anymore
Badenoc 9:33 9:35 comes across as someone who is across her brief? Absolutely not.
The discussion about leaks reminds me of something I might have seen on Monty Python. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition....
I’d say they lost because they came over the fact they lost complete respect to the electorate that were at the poorest and most vulnerable
This leaking episode is like a scene from Yes Minister.
10.56 This comment about Suella...it's spot on!
The Conservative Party has shown that it is unfit to govern, unless corruption lies & a form of nepotism are considered admirable qualities.
We need a strong opposition. Let’s hope the LibDems can rise to the challenge as the Conservatives may not survive the 2029 election.
Excellent news!
Young man speaks for the public
Can Braverman get a green card?
Hardly a balanced piece
Keni Badenoch, thoughtful? Really?
And isn't it wonderful 😊
Nothing says 'toxic brand' and 'unelectable' more than Kemi Badenoch and Suella Braverman.
I rejoice at any/every bit of news about Tory infighting.
Excellent
13:15 In recent years is the population even interested in punishment so much as having less crime by way of addressing the underlying sociological circumstances that lead to it? Prisons are expensive and don't necessarily lead to less crime. What is the most cost effective approach to minimising crime?
At least they're not tearing the country apart like Labour.
A Labour government and England’s advancement to the Euro final are about the only positive pieces of news right now. Much as it’s lovely to see the Tories ripping themselves apart, the prospect of a further lurch to the right or, worse still, a merger with Reform, is very frightening. As for Cruella, she is poisonous and evil. One asks what happened to her in her past to make her go this way. A deeply flawed individual, like so many in the political far-right.
With just 121 MP's to pick from, and most of those not even junior minister quality, then they are not spoilt for choice. Also given that the MP's have foisted on the party contests between May/Leadsom, Johnson/Hunt, Truss/Sunak and Sunak/(Johnson bottled it-allegedly) then maybe a review of their election process would also be in order. A process that generated those match up's has to called into question. The Tories like to brag that their parliamentary party is the most sophisticated electorate in the world. Be that as it may, it's track record would indicate that it's not the brightest.
Are you only now asking what on earth is going on with the conservatives? Only now ?
This throwing about of mental health as a term of abuse is appalling and instead of going along with it I would have thought the New Statesman should have called it out. There is no hope for progress on these matters with this glib attitude towards mental health.
😂😂Braverman is deluded if she thinks she's going to have a chance to get to be leader 😂😂 When push comes to shove neither the MPs nor the membership will vote for her😂😂 She's simply doesn't have the right look🤔
Good
I think he'll make a good leader of the opposition
I agree that we are seeing the true Sunak in opposition as a somewhat centrist sympathetic minister but was forced to pander to far right wing ideology to get a cabinet seat and eventually PM. He relied on PR consultants and inexperienced staff to further his disastrous leadership
Explain taking Frank Hester’s money? How ‘centre’ is that?
I think we can all agree that the Conservatives thoroughly deserved to lose the General Election, and to lose it very, very badly indeed-at least, in terms of seats. As Johnson's government was in 2019, Labour is very much on trial-with a pitiful percentage vote, of barely one third of those who actually even bothered to vote, Labour has it all to do to convince the public that they can run an effective administration. Strange too how quiet those Labour voices for a PR voting system have become all of a sudden-I wonder why? With such a small percentage vote for the winners, maybe we should have a confirmatory General Election vote, just to make sure that a Labour majority of 170-odd seats is really the outcome we desire. I'm sure Keir Starmer would agree; he used to be very keen on the concept of confirmatory votes, from what I recall, or is this yet another of his seemingly never ending conversions on that old road to Damascus.
What has Cleverly accomplished?
Kemi Badenoch is not to the right of the Tory Party and her voting record shows this. What you see with Kemi Badenoch is not what you get.
Good.
The Tories seem to be at the mercy of their own abrasive chemistry, an oil and water thing where the uptight and self rightious let their ego's get the better of them and rub each other up the wrong way. It only takes one or two to make things fractious. A bad time for them to make things any worse.
Mindless criticism of the situation in the prison is the very last thing a sensible political party should do. Only a journalist or nutter would suggest that
#WOT??
Jenrick will get it
„If wishes were horses“, Sir Graham Stuart Brady would have made a really cool Conservative Party Leader after Sunak.
By the way, listening to you guys is refreshing.
Is'nt it it still the case," its the Economy stupid". So why so sanguine about Labour's prospects of future success?