Could be it is what the very senior female police officers prefer, after all they have no experience of investigating real crime when they jumped from university to a top position in the police force. They much prefer quick paper work than investigating real crime.
Currently only 5% of real crime is solved by Police and leads to prosecution and conviction - yet they have time to pursue - non-crime "Hate" incidents . . . Its staggering, we live in a nightmare land totally devoid of common sense and rational judgement
A number-cruncher who needed to provide a way to manipulate tick box statistics, in favour of a force/ service/ constabulary...It is filed as a detected crime - no-crime so a positive to counteract a negative. In their reviews by the government, they come out looking good! And everyone is in on it, and can tick all of their boxes. It will only change when some celebrity or politician loses out and then they will decide to change it. DESPICABLE!
@@johnday6392If that's the case, you're not powerless to protest, write to your local mp etc. Remaining silent is giving up, if this two tier policing policy bothers you!
Police only have (limited) authority in matters of CRIMINAL law. Common law/law of the land which they as CONSTABLES are under oath to uphold. These NCHI's don't come under that, so they are all PERSONALLY liable and can be sued for anything they do outside of that oath.
Why aren't the police doing their jobs things like knife crime home invasions etc etc , if you have a home invasion put hurty words on line and they'll be at your door in hours
Can you point to the legislation that allows for arrest of a non crime. As far as I am aware if the police come to your door and you ask them am I being arrested. They tell you no.
@ in Scotland just look up the hate bill legislation it’s in plain English. If the victims states it’s perceived as a hate crime/incident then it is and there is no requirement for evidence their word is suffice t and there is no defence. The other worrying point is you can report it the a hate reporting centre and stay anonymous.
thank you to the DR for explaining this so well, but i am still perplexed why police are investigating things that are not a crime when they will not investigate a shoplifting offence if it is under £200, and going on perception is subjective you can ask 100 people what they think on a comment and get 100 different answers there needs to be a black and white threshold or this is open to abuse by people who want to silence people they disagree with or who they have a grudge against , the pm has said many things that many people have found "offence" so is he guilty of a NCHI ?
Whilst anyone can report issues to the Police, no matter how they seem to other people, the outcome rests with the Police. They know the claim but they should not be saying they believe a complainant as there can be malicious, or even drunken, complaints. They should be looking at the matter impartially but also knowing the law and the European convention on human rights, which cover the ability to offend without it being illegal. So the questions are: 1. Do they record who makes a complaint? If so can this be categorised into say, individuals, corporate bodies, political organisations, or whatever? 2. In the context of the law why can't they just tell the complainant there is no action or substance to the complaint? Or that further incidents are required. In the context of tweets they should be able to determine action immediately. 3. If someone is not committing a crime then that should not be noted by putting them on records so they can be picked up in other checks eg by future possible employers is wrong. 4. If the government wants to know what has been reported by type and quantity it doesn't need someone's life to be impacted without due cause IE an actual crime has been committed, taken to court, proved and a sentence given. It then appears in crime statistics. So the present situation seems silly. 5. What is especially silly is keeping the nature of the complaint and what caused it secret. That surely prevents an appeal and how can legal representation be made if it is an invisible complaint. That's like telling someone they are making too much noise but not how. Bizarre. 6. The complainant remains just that and cannot be a victim until a court has heard evidence, passed judgement and issued a sentence. An allegation remains that until so tested. The Police should know that.
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The enormous universe of consequences that emanate from the ruthlessly enforced, unplanned and chaotic transformation from Mono to Multi-Culturalism never fails to amaze me . . .
When I read that "the award winning writer Alison Pearson" had been investigated by police for a tweet I was shocked. What sort of awful country are we living in where Alison Pearson is an award winning writer?
They can't be hate if they depend upon the feelings of the "victim" rather than the "offender". Hate would be an emotion done by the "offender" and the feelings of the "victim" would be irrelevant. These laws are irrelevant.
I had the Police turn up at my house , accuse me of something I never admitted to & irrespective they told me I would have a police record for a something I could not be interviewed about not arrested & it did not matter what I says they were going to register a complaint about me! Duh
Its about differentiating between perception - the act of using senses (sight, sound, smell, touch, taste) - and conception - the act of interpreting the experience of the senses. That conceived interpretation can be 'real' (it is what it is) or a 'fantasy' (it is imagined to be what it is). e.g. You cannot think the phenomenon of gravity, you can only experience it in action. You can, however, conceive both a name for the phenomenon and an explanation for it. People are obfuscating perception with conception. This dreadful law does exactly that. People interpret other people's actions and that perception is treated as a reality when it can equally be a fantasy. Thus, paranoid understandings of phenomenon are given greater credence because of prejudice. "That is racism because that's what I think it is" is as likely to be a fantasised interpretation based upon the mindset of the accuser rather than the reality of the accused. Madness!!
While the police are investigating these non criminal crimes, who is investigating your house burglary, or the assault and theft of your belongings, because i just got a crime number, didnt see any police.
What is ‘too much annoyance’ in the context of Patel’s proposed anti protest legislation? Ambiguous references to ‘anti social behaviour’ in an attempt to shut down /cancel free speech! Imagine if that had been law when the Countryside Alliance yobs kicked off…….wouldn’t have been enough prison cells even that far back!!
Trying to make us soft so we can't look out for ourselves, I was tought everyone has a right to an opinion and not everyone will agree with it , how did we ever manage before this
I think the up to date tweets have dried up since Stalin's crackdown after Southport and they're now working backwards thru social media.....hence the slew of year or more old posters being visited in recent weeks
For good practice, the police should record alleged hate incidents (not normal discourse) on an internal file which would be reviewed periodically. Nothing more, except when to bolster evidence for a future prosecution.
What’s him being foreign have to do with anything? If the guy is an expert in law, who cares! That fact that someone who is standing up for British rights that wasn’t even born here (by your definition of being foreign) speaks volume to the state this country is in!
I know (and I agree!)... I've been asking myself the same question for some time now :) Cheers, K. PS The answer to your question is that no one else has touched this 'hot potato'.
Why are the police spending their time investigating 250,000 'non-crimes' when 250,000 'real-crimes' are ignored?
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It would mean arresting people from “protected groups”
Control 🫣covid lies didn't work so fear of prison will 🤯keep ur mouth shut or else 😮
Could be it is what the very senior female police officers prefer, after all they have no experience of investigating real crime when they jumped from university to a top position in the police force. They much prefer quick paper work than investigating real crime.
Currently only 5% of real crime is solved by Police and leads to prosecution and conviction - yet they have time to pursue - non-crime "Hate" incidents . . . Its staggering, we live in a nightmare land totally devoid of common sense and rational judgement
Why would a non crime involve the police? It's an oxymoron, from the morons.
"Non-crime Hate Incident" - what twisted mind invented that twisted term. 🤔
An ideologically possessed Marxist mind.
Humpty Dumpty😅🇱🇺
David Cameron that twat waffle
A number-cruncher who needed to provide a way to manipulate tick box statistics, in favour of a force/ service/ constabulary...It is filed as a detected crime - no-crime so a positive to counteract a negative. In their reviews by the government, they come out looking good! And everyone is in on it, and can tick all of their boxes. It will only change when some celebrity or politician loses out and then they will decide to change it. DESPICABLE!
Lord Macpherson
Being offended is a choice.
As the saying goes.. you don’t give offence you take it.
do we not have the right to face our accuser?
probably not
The police say they are not your accuser, they are your victim, !!
You need to get Katie Hopkins on, her life was destroyed by one of these non crime hate incidents.
The law was made up for her 😂
Kate Hopkins destroyed her own life with what comes out of her mouth.
I keep asking this question! Why the fuck is society allowing this to continue ????🥴🤪😡
Because, between elections every five years, we are powerless!!!
@@johnday6392If that's the case, you're not powerless to protest, write to your local mp etc.
Remaining silent is giving up, if this two tier policing policy bothers you!
The process is the punishment.
They can size her phone and computers for a couple of months while they investigate this suspected terrorist incident
A non crime is lawful behaviour
Police only have (limited) authority in matters of CRIMINAL law. Common law/law of the land which they as CONSTABLES are under oath to uphold.
These NCHI's don't come under that, so they are all PERSONALLY liable and can be sued for anything they do outside of that oath.
Surely the police turning up at your door using intimidating tactics is itself a non crime hate incident isn't it?
UK🇬🇧 What is happening ........Essex Police Out Of Order 100%...concentrate on Knife crime, Burglary, Drug gangs....
They seem to be making up rules as they go.
Why aren't the police doing their jobs things like knife crime home invasions etc etc , if you have a home invasion put hurty words on line and they'll be at your door in hours
Great guest. Thank you for your common sense
Thought crime incidents to be reviewed.
if there is no crime, where is the power to arrest or search devices?
In the legislation unfortunately.
Can you point to the legislation that allows for arrest of a non crime. As far as I am aware if the police come to your door and you ask them am I being arrested. They tell you no.
@ in Scotland just look up the hate bill legislation it’s in plain English. If the victims states it’s perceived as a hate crime/incident then it is and there is no requirement for evidence their word is suffice t and there is no defence. The other worrying point is you can report it the a hate reporting centre and stay anonymous.
Make Orwell FICTION again!
Kafka....
Reviewed? Political speak for a consultation with elite specialists who we'll take no notice of.
Placation.
Racism is, definitely, about perception.
Jesus, please no more of this nonsense.
thank you to the DR for explaining this so well, but i am still perplexed why police are investigating things that are not a crime when they will not investigate a shoplifting offence if it is under £200, and going on perception is subjective you can ask 100 people what they think on a comment and get 100 different answers there needs to be a black and white threshold or this is open to abuse by people who want to silence people they disagree with or who they have a grudge against , the pm has said many things that many people have found "offence" so is he guilty of a NCHI ?
Whilst anyone can report issues to the Police, no matter how they seem to other people, the outcome rests with the Police. They know the claim but they should not be saying they believe a complainant as there can be malicious, or even drunken, complaints. They should be looking at the matter impartially but also knowing the law and the European convention on human rights, which cover the ability to offend without it being illegal. So the questions are:
1. Do they record who makes a complaint? If so can this be categorised into say, individuals, corporate bodies, political organisations, or whatever?
2. In the context of the law why can't they just tell the complainant there is no action or substance to the complaint? Or that further incidents are required. In the context of tweets they should be able to determine action immediately.
3. If someone is not committing a crime then that should not be noted by putting them on records so they can be picked up in other checks eg by future possible employers is wrong.
4. If the government wants to know what has been reported by type and quantity it doesn't need someone's life to be impacted without due cause IE an actual crime has been committed, taken to court, proved and a sentence given. It then appears in crime statistics.
So the present situation seems silly.
5. What is especially silly is keeping the nature of the complaint and what caused it secret. That surely prevents an appeal and how can legal representation be made if it is an invisible complaint. That's like telling someone they are making too much noise but not how. Bizarre.
6. The complainant remains just that and cannot be a victim until a court has heard evidence, passed judgement and issued a sentence. An allegation remains that until so tested. The Police should know that.
Fascist state
Absolutely
It is not if you believe you have been a victim of hate, it is if you say you have been.
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Congratulations!! The scriptures clearly states there's going a transference of the riches of the heathen to the righteous.God keep blessings you
But how do you make so much in a month?mind sharing?
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won't hold my breath labour change this let alone stop the police using this
How come this rule is only ever used against the natives
What a way to waste time and resourses , no wonder the police love it .
The enormous universe of consequences that emanate from the ruthlessly enforced, unplanned and chaotic transformation from Mono to Multi-Culturalism never fails to amaze me . . .
I left a sensible comment here 30 minutes ago, which has been deleted.
Don't worry they will find it then be round to let you know .....
@@movarvo1217 Cops will kick in my door for a non-crime hate comment in three, two, one...
When I read that "the award winning writer Alison Pearson" had been investigated by police for a tweet I was shocked. What sort of awful country are we living in where Alison Pearson is an award winning writer?
Oh how witty ! You guardian reading woketard
Who's this "expert" you couldn't make it up!
Who are you talking about?
surely we should not be accepting being charged with a a non crime. where did this originate from? Who initiated this.
This has to stop
They can't be hate if they depend upon the feelings of the "victim" rather than the "offender". Hate would be an emotion done by the "offender" and the feelings of the "victim" would be irrelevant. These laws are irrelevant.
I had the Police turn up at my house , accuse me of something I never admitted to & irrespective they told me I would have a police record for a something I could not be interviewed about not arrested & it did not matter what I says they were going to register a complaint about me! Duh
Join the free speech union. They will help you get it removed from your record. Its only a few quid a month
Unless people start holding the Police to account for non crime arrests it will continue.
No review needed, just keep the police out of things they are not qualified to handle.
Its about differentiating between perception - the act of using senses (sight, sound, smell, touch, taste) - and conception - the act of interpreting the experience of the senses. That conceived interpretation can be 'real' (it is what it is) or a 'fantasy' (it is imagined to be what it is). e.g. You cannot think the phenomenon of gravity, you can only experience it in action. You can, however, conceive both a name for the phenomenon and an explanation for it. People are obfuscating perception with conception. This dreadful law does exactly that. People interpret other people's actions and that perception is treated as a reality when it can equally be a fantasy. Thus, paranoid understandings of phenomenon are given greater credence because of prejudice. "That is racism because that's what I think it is" is as likely to be a fantasised interpretation based upon the mindset of the accuser rather than the reality of the accused. Madness!!
Orwellian! Oxymoron "non-crime" yet harassed as if a crime.
While the police are investigating these non criminal crimes, who is investigating your house burglary, or the assault and theft of your belongings, because i just got a crime number, didnt see any police.
Yeah and soon as they think you’ve forgotten they’ll be right back.
Abolish the College of Policing?
The cure worse than the disease.I was thinking of something else that that fits with.Go back to 2020.
Do you mean the life-saving injection🤣
Your freedom of speech outrage is UTTERLY hypocritical
What is ‘too much annoyance’ in the context of Patel’s proposed anti protest legislation? Ambiguous references to ‘anti social behaviour’ in an attempt to shut down /cancel free speech!
Imagine if that had been law when the Countryside Alliance yobs kicked off…….wouldn’t have been enough prison cells even that far back!!
Offence is taken not given.
What does the ECHR say about this abuse of power?
...ENOUGH! - Stop complaining the lot of you! - "people get the politicians they deserve" - ENJOY!
Only wiser heads can save us - unfortunately we have just paid tribute to them all.
Trying to make us soft so we can't look out for ourselves, I was tought everyone has a right to an opinion and not everyone will agree with it , how did we ever manage before this
Google needs updating then; the police are unlikely to intervene in civil disputes.
Hmm. A 'victim' of a non-crime.
Makes perfect sense.
Not.
Record the police or you will be next
I think the up to date tweets have dried up since Stalin's crackdown after Southport and they're now working backwards thru social media.....hence the slew of year or more old posters being visited in recent weeks
For good practice, the police should record alleged hate incidents (not normal discourse) on an internal file which would be reviewed periodically. Nothing more, except when to bolster evidence for a future prosecution.
But not to incite racial hatred.
Are we asking a foreigner to interpret our law here?
He was informed and explained it clearly and concisely. I suspect you still read cereal boxes.
He sounds informed, logical and sensible to me!
Its a non crime 😂😂😂
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Why do we have a foriegner telling us what the law is? No disrespect he is good but why?????
What’s him being foreign have to do with anything? If the guy is an expert in law, who cares! That fact that someone who is standing up for British rights that wasn’t even born here (by your definition of being foreign) speaks volume to the state this country is in!
He seems to understand it a LOT better than ignorant, authoritarian British police who feel entitled to abuse their power.
@@WelshEnZo😘❤️🙏🏽
I know (and I agree!)... I've been asking myself the same question for some time now :)
Cheers,
K.
PS The answer to your question is that no one else has touched this 'hot potato'.