American Reacts to The Don'ts Of Liverpool
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- From iconic landmarks like the Liver Building to the rich musical history of The Beatles, we'll dive into the heart and soul of this dynamic city!
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Having disdain for the Tories will get you far in Liverpool
Not just in Liverpool
Historically true but nobody wants Labour these days neither...thry're all a shower of {£"~@
Republic of Liverpool 😁. Proud to be a Scoucer 👍
The other thing as a tourist to watch out for is in liverpool is our very dry sense of humour! I once laugh my head off listening to the guy taking the tickets to get onto the famous mersey ferry talking to a group of german tourists telling them that unfortunately the roof top swimming pool and tennis courts were closed - its a very small boat not a cruise ship! This completely baffled the Germans as it was said with a straight face! Scousers will always be looking for the joke in a situation!
'Does this bus stop at the Pierhead?
'I hope so! it's got Pierhead on the front, hasn't it'
'It's got Ty Phoo on the back but I don't see you floggin tea'
Is this bus going to Speke?
Well I've been driving it for 30 years and it ain't said a word yet.
Scouser here and i enjoyed your reaction to our great city !
To add to that i would say Liverpool has always been that way ......from opening ther arms to the irish during the famine , to the oldest chinese community in europe and the oldest black community in britain,so id say the beatles were definately a product of their environment! as carl sagan described the city "the pool of life"
Liverpool is honestly one of the best cities. So much culture and so accessible.
Am a Londoner who has lived in Liverpool since 1989. Now live Baltic Triangle/Chinatown area. Would not live anywhere else. The people... from day 1 the best. Love love love it here. And as we get loads tourists, cruise ships dock city centre, more than welcoming and happy to help anyone to make sure your stay is brill
Snap. Londoner living in Liverpool. Wouldn't go anywhere else now.
I moved here in 1989 from Wales as well and totally agree I wouldn't live anywhere else. I was greeted with warmth and humour. We still refer to Liverpool as the capital of North Wales.
We welcome you all, our adopted scouse brethren.
The airport has always been Speke. John would agree
Well said!
Liverpool! ❤ is simply The best ! Liverpool is indeed a vibrant city with a lot to offer. It has so much to see, even outside of the city center, such as Sefton Park, Calderstones Park, or Lark Lane. I lived there for over 7 years, but now I'm in London due to personal reasons. However, I can't wait to come back because I miss it so dearly! The Liverpool Library is to die for, and the whole city vibe and gorgeous architecture are something to look out for. Honestly, it baffles me that so many people have such a skewed perception of Liverpool.
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"Barm" comes from the Irish barm braic, which is common bread in rural areas here (Ireland) to this day. Another import we brought to Liverpool through emigration I imagine
My wife and I (living in Southern England) visited Liverpool for one day on a cruise, and we were enchanted by the city. We went back for a three day visit and had many of the experiences your commentator describes. One thing he didn’t mention (at least not at the point I’m adding this comment) is that the two Cathedrals are both on Hope Street. Between the two is a pub called the Philharmonic, and tourist guides take people there to see the ceramic tiles in the men’s washroom.
The toilets are made of solid marble... thats why they are grade 1 listed. I've only ever seen that at a royal palace in Saudi. Have a wonderful day!
Great observation about Hope St..cheers :)
Calling the Catholics Cathedral "Paddy 's wigwam" is boss.
Great choice JJ. Im from Liverpool and im not a scouser. Liverpool is one the best cities on this planet. You wont be disappointed and the locals are very friendly. You'll be lucky if you can visit this place and see everything in a week, even two weeks it would be hectic. And the big guy is right on quite a few points here. The slave museum is a must, and you dont have to just go on official tours, which are great, but go and wander and explore for yourself you're safe here 100 % and always remember, ask the locals, they know all the hidden gems that this city is full of. C u soon.
I’m from Liverpool and the connection with America is phenomenal, so much history in this city , you need a week at least !! Chester is a must 2000 years of history, you go back , swerve London it’s only 1 square mile of history, got to Liverpool and the surrounding areas it’s so far better and the people AMAZING ! like Gerry Marsden sung “we don’t care what your name is boy , we won’t turn you away “ outside “London” Liverpool is the place ❤️💙
Those lyrics and that song reminds me of my childhood; I love that song. Ah, makes me emotional. Liverpool is special.
It got the first US Consulate anywhere in the world...1790. Marked by the gilded eagle above Cote Bistro on Paradise St.
@@alfresco8442 also the last acts of the American civil war was in Liverpool! Also there is confederate graves in the city , the connection with America is so strong, the 51st State 💙❤️
Literally, no-one has ever said 'Liverpoolers' before this!
It wouldn't be a Wolter's World video without at least one howler.
Actually I heard an old lady on radio Merseyside years back saying that when she was a girl they all referred to themselves as Liverpoolians and it changed to Liverpudlian during her lifetime.
@@FightingCoward I meant apart from that old lady, of course! 😏
@@julianbarber4708 agreed
Any trip to the UK should skip London. Get up north, wherever you choose, we are lovely and friendly. Also have the best scenery
Don't go to Blackpool..its a dump
If you were to go to liverpool then stopping off at Chester is a must, one of the most beautiful places in England and it's right by it. You could even go to north wales which has some of the best scenery our nation has to offer along with the amazing castles of caenarfon and conwy. The town of bangor is also a great destination there.
You did claim to have new-found interest in blackpool, and whilst it's not really a place I'd recommend, if you do bother to travel up to it then you might as well continue on to the historic city of Lancaster. I'm sure that name might ring a bell for you.
By the way, Liverpool has OVER 20 Museums, Art Galleries, Natural History, Science & Technology plus smaller 'specialist' places i.e. Liverpool FC _(museum and history),_ Tunnel Tours _(under the River Mersey)_ or Western Approaches _(the wartime bunker HQ that protected the tactics, secrets and planning of the British Armed Forces leading to the Allied victory in WW2)_ and of course plenty of places of interest to do with the Beatles!
Have you ever seen the James Corden/Paul McCartney secret Liverpool gig? Brings a tear to my eyes every time to see how much Paul is loved in the city. Well worth a reaction…especially if you are a Beatles fan.
Liverpool was once a hugely important seaport. Indeed, it was called the second seaport of the British Empire. The docks were over 7 miles long and operated 24/7. 9,000,000 immigrants passed through Liverpool - from all over Europe -on the way to the US. Now, that means that today, over half of the population of the US must have an ancestor that passed through Liverpool.
No doubt. I always describe it as an Irish city on the mainland. Very republican!
Largest Irish population outside of Ireland, third largest Irish population in the world.
@JohnCooper-gm6mn Yes, my Irish paternal great grandad passed through Liverpool heading for Canada, and my maternal great father arrived in Liverpool from Ireland and stayed
I wouldn't say the Beatles are "mainstream" in the usual sense. They MADE that stream, and everyone else followed it. And they're probably the only band where everyone relates to at least one of their songs. Everyone has their own intimate Beatles connection somewhere. Think of it that way. (and I definitely wouldn't wear a football jersey in Liverpool, but then again I'm an Arsenal fan, a London club that's one of Liverpool's major rivals!)
As a sound engineer, you would LOVE the acoustics in the Catholic Cathedral - has to be heard to be believed.
Hope that you are able to come to Liverpool one day - just spend more than one day here.
So much to see and do.
Yeah man..sung in there with school choir and it was exilarating.
I'll second this! Remember being in Paddy's wigwam on a school trip and the sound of everyone whispering sounded like waterfalls! Was wild!
I'm a scouser born and bred we love our city, you will be very welcome here ,good luck
They have the best sense of humor in Britain,they ar so so friendly ,you should go j j ,make sure you go to the cavern ,I've been it's well worth visiting.beautiful ,clean city ❤❤❤,I'm from Nottingham by the way ❤😊
You’d have a whale of a time in Liverpool. The key to a great/unforgettable time there though is simply interacting with the locals, as this man in the video said. One minute you’re having a friendly conversation with a Scouser in central Liverpool, and an hour later you’re in a pub with them, laughing away and making friends for life.
I’m from London and have been on many nights out in The Pool so I can attest to this
Clever and knowledgeable in-joke in Wolter's commentary about a lotta lotta statues - exactly as Cilla Black's statue was shown on screen. This was a catchphrase of Cilla's (pronounced lorra lorra in her mild Scouse accent).
Yeah..got on that ;)
Liverpool Lime Street rail station is actually the oldest rail terminal in the world, built in 1836.
Liverpool Raod Station in Manchester is actually the oldest railway terminal opened in 1830....
I'm a Scoucer, but I live in Southport. Liverpool is the greatest city in the world..
Scousers are also famous for hating Tories, and can be quite anarchic.
I don't know if the Mersey ferry is still sailing to Birkenhead and back, but this is worth a ride.
As a Merseysider, I'm actually crying at this. It is a pretty good and accurate review. I like the enthusiastic review and the laconic response!
You'll always be made welcome here ❤
Went to Liverpool for NYE 2002, was amazing ❤❤
Ah, I love that one of my favourite teenage hangout spots (the cemetery beneath Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, St. James Cemetery - don't judge me, it's very peaceful and pretty in autumn, with high vantage points) is featured in the video; fascinating mythologies and horror stories are associated with it, and very ancient tombstones. I definitely recommend visiting when you come. I miss home so much, but the beauty of studying in Cambridge, though very different, makes up for it.
I was also baptised in the other, Catholic cathedral (Irish family, of course), when I was a baby! But the Gothic vibe of the Anglican, in my opinion, and the fact it is the largest in the country, makes it the better visit. But definitely go to both!
Also, never buy the sun “newspaper”…..
They had to rebuild the Cavern. I was lucky to survive going there. One rickety wooden staircase, uneven floor in high heels, stage, chairs all wood. We were all dancing and smoking. Often got burnt by cigs. The loos were unmentionable. If a fire had started we would have all been killed.
Scouse is made with lamb not beef. No red cabbage - that is from Lancashire. Liverpool has not been in Lancashire since 1974. My Liverpudlian grandfather was very proud of his birthplace but he would have clouted anyone who called him a scouser. That’s lower class.
Woollyback then? :).
Sorry but Scouser here and you're wrong about Scouse. It can be either red cabbage or beetroot and can be lamb or beef. The cabbage is nothing to do with Lancashire it's simply preference. Also bein called a Scouser is nothing to be ashamed of.
All tourist guides miss out a the same thing though, get the Subway / Metro across the river to the first stop ( Hamilton Square Station) & see the veue back towards Liverpool Its amazing, Check out the Georgeann Hamilton Square whale you in Birkenhead to.
They also miss out Antony Gormley's 100 iron men on Crosby Beach, just a short Metro north of the CC to ( Blundellsands & Crosby station) P.S. the Liverpool Anglican Cathedral is the worlds biggest one & take a trip up the tower, its fab veue.
You don’t wanna go out drinking in Blackpool, it’ll be painful 😂
One of the most deprived areas in the country
Theme park is amazing though, some fantastic rides
Speke airport was renamed John Lennon Airport a few years ago. So locals still say the old version. The airport was opened by Yoke Ono in 2001, and the tagline for the rename was - Above us only sky.
"A few years ago." 🤣 I hate to be the one to tell you this but it''s 2024 now, that was over 20 years ago! How I wish it were only a few years ago though, I would be a teenager again! 😝
@@RockinDave1 were showing our age now
Liverpool has been a very friendly place for centuries it's the north west way we open our arms and hearts to all
Liverpool Central station caters for just the local commuting network.
Dude said 'lotta lotta statues' showing a shot of Cilla Black's statue...she'd definitely have said 'lorra lorra'. Now I'm wondering if he knew that was one of her catchphrases or just coincidence.
Walker art gallery is amazing. Famous paintings of Henry the eighth and Queen Elizabeth the 1st. Really cool historical paintings
make sure you go to Newcastle Upon Tyne as well, the Roman history nearby is amazing
I have no idea why I enjoy your videos but I do. Liverpool is a must see, but much of the north is similar. If you wanna change of pace check out the Lake District. Maybe 90 mins from Liverpool. I think you’d enjoy the uk a lot, your British genes seem still strong. I think you’d “get it”
Thanks!!!! Cheers 🍻
When I came to Liverpool in 1967 as a student I was given this advice.
If any scouser asks you what colour you are? ... the answer is "same as you lar"
The word lar is scouse for buddy/mate/friend.
The question about colour may be red or blue, related to football (Liverpool or Everton)... or in those days ... orange or green related to religion. Orange is protestant and green is Catholic.
In any case, "same as you lar" is the safest answer if you want to avoid trouble x
The tall building with the birds (Liver Birds) you've seen a few times in movies. What you don't realise is that Liverpool is used as the set for Gotham in the latest set of Batman movies as well as New York in the Avengers especially in the Captain America movie. You've seen it over and over again.
Liverpool airport was called Speke Airport until 2001, when it was renamed John Lennon Airport, which is partly why the locals still call it that.
There's an american guy on youtube who visited/lived in liverpool for a few weeks and considered buying a home there. He made a video about it considering the pros and cons etc. That might be worth checking out
You will absolutely love Liverpool!
The sound in the cavern as you know it (brick arches) is quite loud and top end, but there is also a back room which is a modern live room which in probably the best sounding venue in the city.
When you visit the cavern ask for Ricky Chung! He’s absolutely mastered the sound in that room.
I’ll also show you around if you ever visit!
Richie.
Funfact liverpudlian was actually an insult coined in Manchester, calling the pool a puddle.
If your staying in Liverpool, go to central station and on the Northern line you can go to Crosby (15 mins from Liverpool) and there is a lovely beach there.
Using Liverpool as your home base on a trip is a great idea. It's very easily accessible by train to get to lots of different places and your money will certainly go a LOT further up here than London.
Flying in, dont think that London is your only option either, Manchester Airport is very well serviced too. Most places in the UK are easily reachable by public transport so don't think you need to hire a car or be tethered to where you land either.
You would definately not regret a trip to Liverpool and the wider north of England
Im a wool, come from over the water (across the river) from Liverpool, takes me around 7 minutes to get to the city center, it is absolutely the best city in UK (in my humble opinion) do visit if you get the chance!!
Correction - Wirral = Plastic Scousers. Towns just to the east of Liverpool like St Helens and Warrington = Woolybacks. i hate these terms by the way Scousers are known for being friendly not Prejudice and Discrimination. everyone welcome in my city
You won’t see the sea in Southport, the beach is about 2 miles long! 😂
If you do come to visit, try and get to see Birkenhead Park, almost 200 years old, on the other side of the water (Mersey); it heavily influenced NY's Central Park etc. Also Sefton ('Sevvie' Park) on the Liverpool side is worth going to and Clarke Gardens near Woolton and Camp Hill too. Port Sunlight and Lady Lever Art Gallery 'over the water' too and don't pass up Walker Art Gallery, Liverpool Museum, Picton Library or St George's (close to Lime Street Station) and the old Town Hall on Castle Street. So much to see in Liverpool tbh that a fortnight wouldn't cover it. As to 'red or blue?' I'm a red so would say red ofc, but the blues aren't bad and a bit older than the reds as they like to keep reminding us
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You should do a vlog if you ever visit
The Beatles may be mainstream now but in the early days they were a brand new phenomenon.
Wow..i'm proper Scouse and i've gotta say both Walter and yourself are very much in tune with how we are. I don't know how long Walter spent in L'pool but he's defo cottoned on to a few things while here .He's quite accurate in his assessments and your reaction to him shows that you get it too...obviously not fully, but pretty close. I'm one of those that you might struggle to understand accent wise as i'm more old school but in general the accent is softer and you'd be ok understanding it. Something that annoys me with the latest generation though is the overuse of the word 'lad' , it can be 'rahr' over the top . As with any city you can get arseholes, so don't let your guard down completely if you visit. Hope you do, you seem like a sound fella. Cheers.
Is it true there is a sign in the baggage hall at John Lennon airport saying “Imagine no possessions”?
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Yes lol x
13:21 yes, that river is pretty dangerous, it’s has strong currents and under tows Various directions.
If you based a trip to the UK from Liverpool, you're also within range of North Wales, the Lake District, the North Yorkshire Dales etc. if you want to see some beautiful countryside and villages.
IMO, the friendliness of the irish influenced the friendly vibe of Liverpool and in general the immigrant history of the city (where immigrants stay and thrive a sense of togetherness can sometimes develop that is magic). Also aside from this there are lots of cities in the UK that are very friendly, especially the further north you go but admittedly also there are lots of Southern places that can be friendly too. Even London, has a rep for not being that friendly but actually can be very friendly once you go explore more in it's boroughs (rather than just being a tourist). I think in general the UK has a reputation for being reserved and polite but not friendly, when that really is more of a posh movie stereotype, and in fact there are lots of friendly places in the UK.
A barm cake is a soft, round, flattish bread item from North West England, traditionally leavened with barm.
More museums in Liverpool than other city in the UK except London! And more listed buildings in the UK than any city except London. The only city with two cathedrals. Etc, etc. Even though its population does not reflect this, Liverpool, in many ways, from aforementioned ones to innovation and science and so on, is the second city of the UK.
Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow are all big Irish cities and that's a big part of why they're so culturally rich.
FYI the Restaurant in the Anglican Cathedral is really good!!
If you do ever come over I would like to show you around. Anyway thanks for the video.
Liverpool Central is part of the underground system, Lime Street, the main line. The name Liverpool is a corruption of the Welsh Ler Pwll which means Slope of the pool. The accent is also heavily influenced by the Welsh language. Southport and Blackpool are both rundown now.
While there visit Manchester, it's only 30 miles away and another incredible place, likewise Chester, all three will blow your mind in different but good ways.
Barm, same in Salford like a chip barm
You won't see gangs in Liverpool. Central Train Station is for the whole Merseyside area with Chester thrown in as an extra. Lime St Train Station is for the rest of the UK. Liverpool really comes alive in the evenings, with clubs, pubs, bars and restaurants. We also have an Odeon Cinema, we used to have many cinemas. Our shops are reasonably priced unlike the south of England. Liverpool FC is far greater than Everton FC, but both have remained in the Premier League, Liverpool FC has a long history of winning major events. By the airport we have Speke Hall, a Tudor Mansion in large wooded grounds, Queen Elizabeth l, stayed there. It is a small fee to look around the house, the grounds are free. Calderstones Park goes back to Neolithic times with carved stones. We had both the Romans and Vikings. Under the Catholic Cathedral is a huge crypt that was for a cathedral that wasn't finished, there is a fee to go down and explore it. Our China Town is the oldest one outside of China, China gave us a huge arch (largest outside of China) to commemorate our China Town.
To get an idea of the scouse football rivalry you should watch 'Reds and Blues .The Ballad of Dixie and Kenny'. The movie is on TH-cam
We played cavern club twice, it’s really small, the stage is tiny and there’s huge pillars in the middle of the room.
It’s really easy to get a gig there even if you’re small time
Yeah do come to Liverpool, so much to see and do. The underground train to the Wirral takes ten minutes and we have loads of beaches. London takes way too long to get anywhere and way too crowded.
Liverpool v Man Utd is one of the biggest rivalries in the country.
Barm cake is the full term
Google is not showing it for some reason but, Liverpool beat Manchester United 7-0 last time out. Just to inform you who is the greatest.
Great video, was told that Liverpool and it's museums and art galleries had the biggest collection of art treasures outside London. I live in New Brighton, and really should have a look around them myself.
Best city In the country!
Honestly, it’s probably cheaper to fly from London to Liverpool than it is to get the train, the train prices are shocking at the minute 🙈
You would be better served using Liverpool as your base, you can head to London on the train to do a couple of things there, but Liverpool, The North West and North Wales will have much of you might need for a good holiday.
I grew up in a part of Manchester about 25 miles away from Liverpool but a lot of these I already knew or ring true. Probably the Irish influence between the 2 cities.
Definitely make Liverpool your base,then visit London from there,you will be welcomed with more friendliness that you would never find in London 😊
Hi there I love your videos I'm from East London and I can tell you I've been to Liverpool twice the last time was 10 years ago and I will be going back there with my wife at some point probably next year as I'm a Beatles fan it's a very emotional visit mainly going to John Lennon's house
Liverpool has a similer history to Glasgow so our hummor is very similer. We rip the Piss all the time and savergly.
If your going to Liverpool you must go to Chester, it is a Roman town with a Wall to walk around and the Rows are amazing and so unusual. Even in shops there are Roman ruins you can see for free. Also stunning very old cavens are great bars. Its just over 20 miles from Liverpool.
I had a huge life saving hart op in Liverpool, ok our accsent changes every 20 miles and bread rolls have a diffrent name every 40 miles, very true, barm, batch ,pease, sttotie so many more, please add some.
My aunt used to work in fashion retail in Chester. The shop was in the rows. You could go down into the cellar and there were just Roman artefacts lying around (this was 40 years ago, they’re probably in a museum now). Beautiful city.
We call all of our airports by the location as far as I can remember.
I always get off at central, but then i am local 😊 also my kids are both Liverpool supporters, but my sisters family are Evertonians
Feel like I should clarify "big fella" doesn't mean fat. Poor guy thinks everyone is calling him fat. Its usually used for tall 'well built' people 😂.
So it can be used for tall and fat men but also someone like the Rock. He's tall and built like a brick shithouse.
Funny that to him the Cathedral archicture and surrounds are a little 'scary'...... Brits are just so used to what our parish churches and cathedrals are like, it would never occur to us that it was 'scary'.
Blackpool- it does have a 'vegas vibe' but don't expect a glossy moneyed resort......it's quite down at heel these days. It's best to go during the Blackpool Illuminations season (September to January).
mandatory reminder: People do not swim at Blackpool, they merely go through the motions
It’s definitely a walking city, you could walk across the whole city centre in about 20 minutes, so much to see there though, it’s magnificent, but the best part are the people.
JL Airport was always called Speke Airport b4 being renamed. I love nipping on the train/ferry over to Liverpool for a day shopping. Going to the docks are padlocks all over the chains. The tradition started 1st world war where women would write the names of their loved ones on the padlocks in hope it would protect them whilst away. Its so cool to see.
Sounds to me you ought to move here. Any city in the UK has really good public transport and you don’t need a car.
Barm is used, but so is 'sarnie'. But a balm is not the same as a sandwich; a balm is on a roll and a sandwich is on your typical sliced bread. A 'sarnie' can be used for both. This may also change depending on who you ask. It's...complicated.
the liver building and it st georges hall featured in the batman movie
Wooly back here, love Liverpool and the scoucers, great people. Liverpool is well worth a vist👍. Sorry, not a fan of Blackpool, but I haven't been since Adam was a lad.
Liverpool is more friendly and far less expensive but in reality its like going to Philly and ignoring NYC. London is a massive city but not cheap unless you research the cheaper and free options first. Don't ignore the place, that would be silly.
i wish I could say the same for Celtic and Rangers fans within different areas of Glasgow
barm not thing by me am ten mins from city center we call it Bin lid(burger bun) and torpedo(hot dog roll)
forget full english breakfast. bacon sausage and egg barm with red sauce is the one. find yourself a nice little greasy spoon cafe in the north of england and get stuck in. literally the best value breakfast and one that all tradesmen in the uk survive on
just got to the end of the vid. Liverpool is rough (tough) and defo keep your wits about you. Blackpool is probably the furthest thing from Vegas imaginable, its a derelict old tourist town full of inbreds and heroin. Manchester is also a great place to visit if you enjoy the vibe of Liverpool.
He's wrong about the airport, call it what you want and in fact most people I know either say "are you going from "Liverpool or Manchester?" or "Are you going from John Lennon?" so it's not something that's going to rub someone the wrong way.
The Liverpool-Man Utd bit, think that's an extremely old pre-season friendly result there mate, the last game is the record breaking Liverpool 7 - 0 Man Utd.
Scouse wise, a complete mix, not all scousers live within Liverpool or immediate areas under other councils but not every person in the borough of Liverpool would be considered a scouser.
Last game was actually this season... nil nil in December. Return fixture in April.
Not true we call the airport John Lennon airport and yes it is in the district called Speke, Liverpudlian is just the old name for Scousers, we call all the other people who live just outside of the city Wools which is short for Wooliebacks which insinuates they're all shepherds or primitive, but it's just a joke, we have very sarcastic black humour, 80% of Scousers are of Irish and Welsh extraction just like me with an Irish dad which I think influences our humour, a pint of beer will cost you between £4.00 to £5.50, in London pints start at £6.50 hotels here are a lot cheaper than London too except when there's a big music festival on. Cheer mate, Jim the Scouser
There is a confederate civil war general buried in the ancient chaple of toxteth, liverpool had strong connections with the south due to the cotton trade
Blue definitely Blue. The gentleman's team. Plus they're having a new stadium built. Go BLUES💙
Lime street station has more long distance routes, central handles more trains for local. Also scouse is made with lamb not beef, cheap import