How McLaren's biggest F1 upgrade is based on designs that 'don’t look logical'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The upgrade McLaren introduced on Lando Norris’s car for the Singapore Grand Prix might not have looked like much to the naked eye, but the team characterises it as its biggest of the season.
What technical director James Key describes as the first step towards a new concept, also features some counter-intuitive designs.
So with McLaren re-establishing itself in fourth place in the constructors’ championship thanks to Lando Norris and Daniel Ricciardo finishing fourth and fifth in Singapore, what does this tell us about the effectiveness of the upgrade?
And even more importantly, what can we learn about McLaren’s development direction for 2023.
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If this new concept can help Danny perform idc how non logical it looks
Let's hope so. I would love for him to kill it from now on and get a seat for next season!
its a done deal. wether it does or not he is driving for another team next year and worst case scenario he is not drivng at all ;(
Sad reality for Danny !
@@garythefishable the scenes if somehow this upgrade results in him actually being able to drive the car how he wants and he starts beating Norris......
It won't happen, but the chaos would be enjoyable to watch.
Evidently he didn't need it
The flow vis at 3:57 is looking absolutely beautiful!
Flow vis. As in flow visualization.
@@Razzbow no we prefer flow wizard, like a master rapper of sorts
Kreygasm
The upgrades seem very logical to me. It's all about directing the air to the top of the diffuser and sealing the sides. Plus protecting them from "rogue" vortices that can disrupt the laminar airflow.
Will it work? We will see on the next few races.
The air flow directional changes actually starts at the venturi tunnel with the new inner fin being raised to pinch airflow down the inside of the chassis along the sidepods creating huge amount of suction but this is then sealed off by the top of the fin creating a vorticy, which most likely spins outwards from the cars sidepod. McLaren then has learned finally the double floor concept by using the air above the floor to pinch the underfloor creating a high pressure area effectively creating a double floor thus sealing off the floors edge closer to the tunnel and creating a greater undercut under the side pod, which then yes as you stated direct more clean forceful air towards the rear of the car and the diffuser but they also have learned to release the double floor pressure towards the rear of the car meaning once the car hits a predetermined speed with rather reduce suction of the under floor as the air spill out around the side of the rear tires. This means further updates to the car will be directed at the rear of the car to generate more downforce using the new air flow that they have created with the current change. Also watch for a floor change just in front of the rear tires when they figure out that they can squeeze some of that airflow being pushed around the tire can actually be directed to inside the tires leading edge towards the diffuser aiding in creating more rear down force.
It is a great step in the right direction and they should see great effects of the changes in Japan due to the medium speed flowing aspect of the track. They should be faster in the S turns and spoon corner with the new upgrade package. They will most likely confirm the direction change this week with further updates coming later unless they have reardown force changes already in the works. It will be interesting to see if they send Danny out in the old car on Friday and Lando in the new car to see the difference in cornering speed through the S turns and spoon; before switching Danny to the new spec in the afternoon.
Hard being a Mclaren fan, for years now they haven't been in title fighting form so hopefully next year with their planned facility upgrades and wind tunnel they can start fighting for titles again. Just wish Max could drive for Mclaren. Imagine orange army fans paired with Mclaren's orange theme they've been using would be insane to see.
Won’t happen with his current long term contract but it’d be cool
2024
@@mikelewis495 sorry about that thanks for the correction
Wow there would be sOoooOo much orange, youre right man that would just be such an EPIC TIME TO BE ALIVE
Nothing gets me going like imagining the possible positive branding implications of a driver and team sharing the same colour. Ill say it again what an EPIC TIME TO BE ALIVE
Race Pace gap to the leader on slick tyres:
+1.08s -- Lando Norris
+2.73s -- Daniel Ricciardo
Even if you excuse the driver & tyre difference, that is still over a second per lap gained with this update on a track that didn't suit the car before the team generated any data in order to maximise the car's potential in set up. It'll be interesting to see if McLaren are still even quicker in qualifying than in the race like they have been with Lando this year.
The last stint was very encouraging as Lando came into DRS zone of Carlos and he himself was astonished by that. He eventually renounce trying to overtake which was the good choice as it was too risky and he was already in an unbelievable place in the ranking.
I remember watching Daniel slip backwards & worrying about him fighting Lance but the gap between the two wasn't changing. That's when I realised that Lando was absolutely flying forward & chasing down Carlos. It got me so excited even though I knew he was never going to overtake him purely because they were both in clean air.
I wouldn't read into those times too much since both cars have differently performing drivers and were in different situations throughout the Grand Prix. But it looks like there has been a good step with the concept which hopefully continues into next year.
The team told him to hold position even tho he had fresher faster tyres
@@adamkerdi5076 He wasn't faster. Stop with this false narrative to make yourself feel better. He had soft tyres in order to defend from Stroll.
Compared to the beginning of the season, the change is easily welcome by the fans. We love to see mclaren back up front
Don’t say we and talk for everyone else, because “we” hate Zak Brown and love the fact they’re mincing around at the back under his leadership.
McLaren; most fun and most raw talented drivers, willing to continuously adapt, to the extreme, throwing away what doesn't work...and it's a good orange (could be bad orange) and that's all I need to be a fan
Can u guys maybe make a video covering Alfa Romeos downfall this year? Can’t just be the weight .
think they just have a bad car with light weight, so til the middle of the season and when zhou starts to perform, they lose the advantage of weight so they become consistently out of points
Looking forward t how this will turn out. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Would love to see the developments resulting in a very drivable car for Daniel and that he can show what he can do and they keep him.
the explanation at 3:40 about the differences in floor edge dont really make sense. both floor edges are similar, especially concerning the slit in the rear to seal the underfloor.
Great video, brilliant detail. Pure F1 geekary
this doesn't look like much but 15 mil. raise of the ride hight is actually a big deal. this is surely not is helping the driveability. the cars are already understeery and then taking away so much downforce is not good. im curious though who is maybe making a blunder next year or maybe someone starts dominating again.
How about the budget cap ??
SMH, yes a change has been made, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. You can't ignore the oddities of Singapore. Wet conditions and the number of SC's caused by mechanical and driver errors played significantly into finishing spots. Also, if the car changes were significant, you'd have expected to see Norris pushing to challenge the top 3 teams, which I didn't really see. You also would have expected Danny Ric to be much farther behind, which also wasn't the case. let's see what Japan brings before we overreact to the changes.
Woah that watermark is distracting. I'm not annoyed at the race for doing it, I'm annoyed because it's necessary.
These upgrades makes me think that the original concept from AM was better than the new one. Matches lwith redbull and AR.
Finally a good The Race video
Plot twist: This new package suits Danny’s style perfectly and he will get pole this weekend
Papaya flavored redbull!
Each time they changed the sidepods they looked more and more like the red bull
Nothing less than Lando deserves is some top notch upgrades 👌
keep bringing upgrade but not much changes..
They all slowly moving towards the RedBull concept
It's basically an orange bull now. Also, they wouldn't have made any gains if both alpines didn't go pop. Fernando would have been around Lando with Esteban probably doing an Ocon-special again and making up a lot of places in the race.
Alonso was never gonna challenge Norris, immediately after the start he lost position and overtaking in Singapore is very hard. also Ocon was a bunch of places behind Ricciardo when he DNF'd
Luck played a part in their race for sure, but McLaren made no mistakes during the race and completely capitalized on the mistakes of others
RB. They are copying RB. About time.
Really wish F1 went away from "down force": via Wings or Floors.
The racing was so much better back in the day...
Think I enjoy watching Goodwood F1 races more that these massive bloated monsters .
You mean like in the -60's when they didn't have wings and floors.
Goodwood cars have way more complicated down force than F1 cars
just throw in a fan and call it a day….. just say you didn’t know rules
If Mclaren will get closer to merc in 2023 - I'm certain toto will start asking questions about mclaren cost cap.
mimimimi...
They are only 4th because both renault engines blew up.
That's the same as saying Max is only top of the championship rankings because he's scored the most points! To finish first, first you must finish! Alpine and Renault are essentially the same entity. Also, if Danny Ric had even half of Lando's points, they'd be on 150, not 129. Alpine's drivers are within 7 points of each other....
@@lankyboy90 On merit Alpine car is better than Mclaren's. Alpine keeps blowing races. Alonso said he was missing 80 points becasue of mismangement etc. Now its much higer. It is a shame to see the scores not reflecting the true potential of the Alpine
@@joydrathasarkar2841 On the one hand, I do agree that it would seem that when the car works, the Alpine is faster than the Mclaren. By how much is hard to quantify and seems to vary from track to track. But what's also true is that the Alpine drivers are both extracting the potential from the car, whereas the same can't be said for Mclaren. The same team are all responsible for PU, chassis and strategy at Alpine. It's like when Mclaren kept saying they had the best chassis on the grid, but were being hamstrung by Honda... that was embarrassing
They only won cuz both alpines went dnf💀
Daniel’s luck 😩 .
I've constantly supported McLaren since 1997 so any good news is often rare but very very welcome
However, is it just me, or does James Key look like he should be serving expensive wine in a posh French restaurant?
That McLaren livery was horrid.
Let's be honest the only reason why mclaren got 4 and 5 is because the race was terrible and cars dnf'd. We'll see them at their usual positions next race.
Norris was clearly above alonso in this race.
Only if you get rid of zack brown you'll see mclaren back at the top
that is bs.
why do you think their car is plastered in sponsors these days?
Ron Dennis was McLaren. It's over.
@@marcmillis3867 exactly rip mclaren
As stated by McLaren F1 themselves, the validation of the new updates/design concept change will be confirmed at Suzuka this weekend.
Which is a bit encouraging as they said it was not meant for a track specific as Singapore, more for a traditional circuit like Suzuka.
They will still be wank.
Interested to see how this goes at a proper track (hi Suzuka)
:)
Compliments to the chef! Great 3d animations / visualisations of the aerodynamics and airflow.
Let’s hope…Lando is too talented not to be doing battle with the guys up front.
Started watching f1 in 2019 and been a McLaren fan ever since, hopefully they are winning championships by 2026
Super informative, despite most technical info going way over my head. In any case, I have an intuition that next year we will see the excitement that was meant to take place this year, but was usurped from us by RBR/MV instead. And by this I mean, Mercedes and McLaren have to significantly improve their cars, and provide a real opportunity for their four brilliant drivers to fight for the top places on the grid. And, I pray Ferrari rethinks their strategic tactics, also to allow them a more consistent place fighting for victory. The six great drivers are all there, ready to displace Red Bull from its position of monopoly, but Mercedes, McLaren, and Ferrari need to provide them with good racing cars (something they have done plenty of times in the past), so, we the public can enjoy a season of excitement and unpredictability with not two, but four teams fighting for victories, and ultimately the title. Amen.
Didn't look good at all at first, but I guess it was still a phase of testing and learning the car. But in the race norris was clearly above Fernando and in the later stage was very close to Carlos in the ferrari. I also read that the upgrade where more meant for a more traditional circuit and not Singapore, but they had enough parts for one car and decided to test it anyway rather than wait for Suzuka
@Yuri DeKhed same here we need another midfield podium before the end of the season
@Yuri DeKhed was a bit surprised when I saw him within Drs as everyone eyes was on the Leclerc and Perez fight in front. Then I was always comparing the gap and he not losing that much from the two in front until I think he just started to cruise to bring the car home and the points.
6:05 I wouldn’t be surprised if McLaren were the ones to grossly overspend, with such a number of major updates. As a midfield team, they may have less to lose as well.
Something that has been in the back of my mind the entire season is that the new concept of these cars is really hard to extract more performance from through aerodynamics
2024-25 Norris/Herta McLaren battling Verstappen/? Redbull for world championship. Now that will make me a life long, diehard fan
Maclaren have been clever in developement through the 22 season, it gives them great data ahead of the design and finessing of the 23 car, and hopefully a big, big step forward for next year
It would be interesting to see Dani drive better with the updates just as he is leaving the team...
It is small edge for McLaren but it's going to be so close in constructor's to the end!
The livery looks cool tho😍
Will lead to nothing. Poor team.
Stop hating on CHECO
Cheers my friend, great analysis. Your videos are always so well-structured, I really enjoy watching them. Thank you! As a McLaren fan, I'm just trying to be patient and hopeful they will be back on form soon. This season has been a bit of a rough patch but I'm confident they'll figure this out!
They got lucky in the race with Max both Merc's, both Alpine's all having days to forget for different reasons. Have to wait to see how the changes work in more normal conditions.
He was clearly faster than alonso in this race. This time around he had luck on his side after the disastrous start and pit stop in Monza.
@@danielvilliers612 in the early part which was wet yes but hard to say after it dried, Mclaren really struggled in the dry practice sessions and were well off the pace in the dry. Alpine seem to have a good chassis but the Renault engine is proving itself to be the most unreliable engine on the grid.
@@Luke-en2tk It is a bit confusing because which dry stint do we take into account. Is it during the practice one where we could say they were still learning the car and they didn't look good at all. Or after Tsunoda crash and Lando was even surprised how he caught Carlos and wised up not to try to overtake him as it was too risky and he would need a car 1.5 sec faster to even think about trying. In between, they had time to know a bit more about the car and tune the settings. my guess time will tell.
@@danielvilliers612 exactly it's just not jumping to conclusions until we see their full dry pace, hopefully we get a dry race this weekend. I want to see McLaren doing well, it would be great to have more teams fighting for podiums. Hopefully the gap between the top and bottom teams will reduce with the cost cap and restrictions
@@Luke-en2tk Yep, same for me, I am a bit disappointed/surprised that at least for now the cars are not closer with the cost cap.
DR was using the old spec
He is an old spec himself.
That's crazy sack Danny ric then change your design concept which likely needed a design philosophy change I'm dead 🤣
I see these videos and I can't help but wonder: which race will it be in 2023 that sees Lewis Hamilton pulling into the Red Bull pit box?
Obviously, it made bugger all difference.
Whatever they do for 2023 they must change the livery
Mclaren so keen to get rid of DR. Maybe they should sack James Key, his responsibility designing this dog of a car.
whatever about the bodywork, I didn't like the livery of McLaren at Singapore. There's less and less papaya every adjustment
2 videos in one day. Nice.
What’s up Edd!
They dumped Honda engines and look where Honda is now winning champions. I doubt whether mclaren will ever be a championship contender.
I'm sure people are going to be in different about this but I hate the orange or papaya on the car. To me it just coincides with having a bad car I know that sounds a bit silly but I just wish they would go back for the nice silver and red or silver and black or even further back to the white and red
We all thought they were going to improve after last season and here we are this year. Always going to be a bit sceptical of Mclaren until they actually do challenge again.
How ironic would it be if all the changes made DR much faster for the rest of “22!?
Well Gary said that exact thing about the Ferarri right before it was clearly the fastest car so this is a very good sign
I can't help but think that if ricciardo had pulled his weight better this year McLaren would have buried alpine in the race for 4th in the constructors
As a long term McLaren fan this galls me a lot too. Especially with him being the highest wage packet in the team.
Even if ricciardo scored half of Landos points they’d be well ahead
I don't know about that, even your good driver has only managed to beat both Alpines at 6 of 17 races this year. take out the Imola and Singapore weekends and its a pretty underwhelming tale.
@@STORMIETR00PER Norris is well clear of the alpine drivers points wise. He's on triple digits while they are at around 50 apiece.
Gonna be sad if Daniel can drive this car better after being kicked out
great to see mclaren get better
sry but more bias and im starting to eat beans and tell ppl that it is a healthy breakfast
One of the ugliest liveries of the last decade
Car might be improving but the livery is getting worse and worse 💩
the side pods kinda look like the old Aston
hard to make that piece of crap worse
A major problem with ground effect is it puts the most vital areodynamic in a more susceptible to damage area, it also doesn't have any real trickle down engineering utility
A major problem with any aerodynamics are they're always in a susceptible area of damage e.g front wing, bargeboards, rear wings, any sticky up bits. What's ur point? Also GE will be big for the teams that create super/hypercars or cars in other series. GE also has alot to do with diffusers and diffusers are important
As opposed to the critical standard auto part of the barge board. I’m so happy I can just look down at all the aero surfaces of my car and think, “thanks F1!” You’re mixing together two very different parts of the sport. Engine development is the part that is heavily connected to the auto industry and their development of new technologies. However, chassis development is entirely focused on going fast within the rules. If a new piece of chassis tech helps out other types of cars, it’s a happy accident.
edd straw, ur videos are interesting, but ur post race drivers rating are usually really COW DUNG.
They sack Ricciardo but come on it’s time to sack James Key. This thing has been a dog all year and all they are doing is experimenting. Fancy words and ‘new design directions’ is just marketing speak for we hope this works. Piastri may have made the worst decision of his short career.
The Ferrari was said not to look quite right in design, Gary Anderson said that especially, then look what happened
Put a new rule in place and make in mandatory for the cars going to the grid to slowly drive on a glass bridge and allow media to film and take photos of the underside of the cars. If a car starts from the pit i doesn't have to go on the glass bridge. The teams should not be allowed to put a cover underneath that the remove on the grid. They can paint the cars in colors and patterns to disguise the real shape.
whats the bent-over metal horseshoe type things on the top of the outermost edges of the floor? they all seem to have it. but seems like weight and disrupted airflow to me?
4th and 5th … they got lucky .. look where they qualified
@2.52 the biggest change of all in the team jason statham get new role as tough guy engineer..(go on my son give it the beans)
Copy from everyone
Can u please do a Mclaren 15 year slump video?
Mini barge boards?
Thank you papa Zak
Noicee
Alpine will not be a title challenging team anytime soon, they just dont have the resources for it. If they did they would still be called Renault.
Sorry what? Alpine is a Renault sub brand that makes 'performance' cars (they aren't really performance cars, but are as performance as Renault do). This way they get both names on the car. Renault is still on there for the engine.
Alpine are easily able to make the cost cap, at that point what does additional resources even do...
WOOOOO
I am the biggest McLaren fan but come on.. they are still far far away from the top 3 teams and only got lucky in Singapore.. which is great but this "upgrade" or whatever means jack s**t
Great, you listened to the video
@@zapid6733 he must be a DTS fan.
@@xcmledder3420 DTS doesn't tend to produce many McLaren fans.
@@soundscape26 well he's clearly a teenager, or has the mental maturity of one.
@@zapid6733 you know they wouldn't have posted this if one car finished in 14th and the other DNFed while languishing in 17th for half the race.
How many title sponsor Mclaren has???it's like 300 kph billboard
Enough to buy out Danny’s contract for $20 mil and still feel fine
Better than none
And Yet, Dani had to be told to hold position...
1st yay, very interesting
So.... who did they copy?
Its extremely logical, but you have not understand it. They now have totally copied Red Bulls concept now. Red Bull designed a floor with a high "roof", put a lot of vortices creators there, opened up the diffusors sidewall and energise the vortices with air from the Top of the diffusor. What basically is pretty similar to how the old flat-floors worked. This concept relies more on diffuser performance than on ground effect, what is also the reason why Red Bull was not affected by TD039 and the higher ride heights, whlie this completely corrupted Ferraris philosophy with a low tunnel roof, totally dependant on ground effect and low ride heights...so McLarens update is very logical if you know that they copied Red Bulls and their concept relies on diffuser performance. You obviously did not understand what they did, also not what the flow-vis showed. Look where the flow-vis flows to....its into the small opening at the sidewall of the diffuser. This is definetely the right concept post TD39, but with copying only - McLaren will not challenge the Top 3. Now they have to come up with innovative concepts by themselves.
As Ground Effect gets further reduced in 2023 we can learn that McLaren has understood that and we will get cars again that will have more problems with overtaking, as the cars will create more turbulent air again, as all the teams will build cars that rely on diffuser performance.
Yes that another embarrassment for Hitler Wolfe, all that rubbish about safety standards with a lower ride height and how it will affect Red Bull more than anyone else.
MB could have stopped the bouncing after one race by rising their ride height but refused and so therefore they subjected their drivers to potential health problems and all because their car just doesn’t cut it this year. I actually doubt they ever had the best car at all. They only dominated because of the advance info FIA gave them about the engine regs so they had the best design and the most power. Nobody else got close but, Honda got on the case once they were away from McClaren dictating how to package the power unit and Red Bill gave them the freedom to design the best package and then Mr Newey will design the car around the unit. The Honda unit is probably just behind Ferrari for power but RB have by far the best aero design leading to domination this year.
Can’t see McClaren re emerging next year at all because they have consistently failed over the last 10 years. Zak Brown isn’t the man to lead them to victory anytime soon. He has the same problem in Indy Cars and they all use the same chassis! Good team just not the very best.
People forget Red Bull dominated before the power unit changes and only fell behind because they couldn’t get a half decent power unit. MB refused to sell to them knowing full well RB would again dominate.
Is this an upgrade Danny was waiting for two years ?
Hot take here. The upgrades didn't do a thing. Daniel was running the old spec car in Singapore, 10 places further back than Lando in 16th and ended up finishing the race in 5th, one place behind Lando who started in 6th. On Paper, the old spec car seems better.
Thats a pretty hot take considering the number of positions gained through lucky safety car timing and other drivers reliability issues
They should have took the Audi offer
To sell Mclaren to Audi???
Why!?
@@tudor3232 because they aren't going fast enough for this guy's liking... I guess.
@@xcmledder3420 They're not going to get back to the front as a Merc customer. And they could have negotiated a decent deal with Audi to keep the mclaren name on the grid
@@JW_PUNK29 well they was a Mercedes customer in 10-11-12 and was winning races so shut up
Daniel DIDNT have this and came 5th . Norris 4th. So this DIDNT help. So far at least.
Lando finished like 27 seconds ahead of Daniel irrespective of driver ability and was on mediums vs Daniels softs, making him on average a second a lap quicker. Lando was even challenging Carlos briefly which has never happened previously in other races. It will be interesting to see how Danny performs in Japan with this new, seemingly vastly improved package.
Daniel did finish 32s behind Lando, though. Then again Lando was on mediums and Daniel on softs for the dry stint.