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For those wondering what's changed in the re-uploaded video, a bunch of real-life footage from the war was removed and animated graphics were put in its place.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
Especially since it makes up nearly 10% of all civilian casualties of Russia's invasion of Donbass. And Girkin was found guilty and sentenced in absentia for this crime by a Dutch court. Actually there is well written article on the "Ukrainian genocide in Donbass" myth on Eastsplaining subtrack (written by a Wojciech Orliński, a Polish journalist)
I remember this news breaking and thinking there's no way the collective west will let this slide so its the end of russia.....how naive of me to not know half of them were in bed with him esp the likes of Merkel
I must point out that the story of crucified children, including a fetus cut out from the murdered mother I've already heard about the war in Yugoslavia as well. I wouldn't be surprised that they reused the same narratives over and over.
@@PBRStreetgang911 And the story about a crucified Canadian soldier in Ypres(?) during WWI. I imagine that during every human conflict there has always been similar tales told by at least one side.
similar stories were told about the Iraqi army when they invaded Kuwait in 1991, i remember as a kid hearing those stories in the news as one of the reasons why we went to war against Iraq back then, and we all know now that these stories were all propaganda lies to justify the war.
The thing that's the most ironic about the ''NATO broke it's promise not to expand argument'' is that it's often projection from the Russian side. Because not only did NATO not promise such a thing but it's Russia itself who is violating promises regarding its neighbors joining alliances. The video already pointed out the Budapest Memorandum from 1994, but another one that gets overlooked is how Russia itself promised to respect the sovereignty of their neighbors choosing to join whatever alliances they want to at the 1999 Istanbul Summit, or how Russia promised to pull its military forces out of Georgia and Moldova by 2002. These promises that Russia broke will almost never get talked about because it contradicts the narrative of Russia being the victim.
Projection explains absolutely loads of Russian propaganda, not just this one point about breaching agreements. It's like they do it as a tactic to get ahead of any criticism by falsely accusing the other side first. Russia is a far right authoritarian state, so of course they accuse Ukraine of being a neo nazi state. They accused Ukraine of forcibly conscripting people off the streets at a time when the "separatists" were doing exactly that. Or when the krokodil capital of the world pushes made up conspiracy theories about Zelensky and other government officials being drug addicts. Or Russia pretty much destroying entire Donbas cities while falsely accusing Ukraine of relentlessly shelling Donetsk and Luhansk for 8 years even though both of those are almost completely intact even now.
Even before the final collapse of the Soviet Union, Gorbachev and other high Soviet officials stated multiple times that Eastern Block countries would be allowed to "go their own way" (this was humorously referred to as "Sinatra doctrine"). It didn't take very long for Russia to break its promise, by sending tanks against protestors in Lithuania. And mind you, Gorbachev was perhaps the least imperialistic leader ever to reside in the Kremlin (maybe ex aequo with Yeltsin). Is it any wonder then that we in Eastern/Central-Eastern Europe wanted to join NATO as soon as possible?
That myth that keeps being spreaded despite being debunked and proved to be false to oblivion, fits like a glove on that old say "lie one time and people call you a liar, repeat thousand of times and slowly people take as being true", by which The Zod Federation has been doing for 3 decades already, they can't or perhaps they don't want Zod Federation to became a free and developed nation along the rest since thats very unconvinient for a Dictorship masquarading as democracy where opposition have extreme bad luck, drinking radioactive things, falling of balconies, everyone becames a "criminal"... uuuuuuuuuuh, Democracy will destroy THE MOTHERLAND........ DAMN YOU WEST AND NATO!!!! But on a dictactorship the siege mentality and "everyone around is a enemy" is pretty much a 101 of how to keep the people enslaved under ditactoships, slavery in exchange for "safety and protection against the ENEMIES THAT WANT TO HARM YOU"...... Also if i may add another example of Zod breaking promises and aggression, and on the line of "genocide" Chechen wars" and even to this day tens of millions that are Zods by citizenship but ethnically belong to minorities still being treated as second or third class citizens, so..... the whole new Zod "Cult" and propaganda has more holes than the worse swiss cheese.....
This reminds me of an Aesop's fable: "The Wolf and the Lamb" A wolf was out looking for food and happened upon a lamb in a river. He was originally going to just attack immediately, but felt the need to justify himself. He approached the lamb and began accusing her of various crimes and actions against him. But each time, the lamb refuted these claims, innocent of them for one reason or another. Despite this, the wolf refused to let himself be cheated of a meal and attacked and carried off the lamb anyway. The moral of the story is twofold: a tyrant will always try to justify their actions, and the wicked will not stop their plans simply because the innocent protest.
The wolf had to first justify to the rest of the WILD animals why it needs to eat to survive. The fable would rather have the wolf depending on something else for its biological functioning. Grass perhaps?
@Consigliere Ke I think the fable was more implying the wolf could have gone for a deer or a boar, but the lamb, an innocent child and more vulnerable, was a target of opportunity that the wolf felt the need to attack but also felt like he needed to justify to himself.
@@consigliere254 Oh. Now I get what you are referring to. I thought it was more literal, in reference to the fable itself. Sorry. I was just waking up when I read the last comment
As Syrian who used to live in Donbas when russia started all this and i still live in Ukraine i am surprise of the amount of research your team did! this is very accurate and with a lots of insight! respect!
One of the reasons that is not mentioned is that enormous reserves of oil and gaz have been discovered in the Donbass region and Crimean territorial waters in 2012. Ukraine started inviting western oil companies such as Shell to help them get these ressources since they didn't have the technology. The war in 2014 scared western investors and they pulled out. If Ukraine managed to get these fossile fuel ressources, it would've been a major competitor against Russia for providing oil and gaz to Europe. This war has alot to do with energy, and this is why I like to call Putin "the George Bush of Russia". Both these leaders need to be prosecuted for war crimes, Bush and Putin should share a cell.
This is one of the main reasons for putins' invasion of Ukraine, and tbh if russias military was anywhere near the maintenance capacity that they should have been, the war would be going in a different direction. Especially since Russia is throwing its might against Russia and us and its allies are only helping Ukraine. Russia didn't maintain its military near the levels they should have given the amount of equipment abandoned
And is still not right. G. Busch never wanted to annex Iraq. There isn’t a single Iraqi town/city being indiscriminately bombarded to rubbles as a lot of Ukrainian are.
Because that would be off topic. Read the title again. And this channel tends to be more factual than gossip unlike other channels. It may be a reason for Russian agressiom but unless there are substantial proof, it shouldnt be mentioned at this point
The war in Ukraine is based on energy market but there is no oil reserves in Donbass. Some natural gas deposits with weak debit known from 1930's in Kharkiv - Shebekino area and Black Sea. Putin needs Ukrainian territory to have direct access to Central Europe thru fully controlled Black Sea. The plan of annexation by one way or another was known in 1999. If Yanukovich could stay in power Ukraine will be the same as Belorussia.
Look if countries from your Bloc (that you established against their will for the most part) left and joined the "opposite side" when they had the chance, what does that say about Russia as a whole?
Putin could have built his country into something the Baltic states and Europe would have been keen to trade with . He could have given his people genuine democracy , pushed for education programs , heathcare and employment training programs etc but he didn't . He decided to use force on his neighbours and rob his own country of billions . One day the russians will realise that but it'll be too late .
And Putin's Russia has perhaps even less to offer than the USSR. Soviet narrative about progress, equality etc., while mostly false, at the very least sounded attractive. Putin's propaganda on the other hand is nothing more than insane ramblings, and constantly getting worse.
@@gregoryjames165 The color revolution wasn't backed by America. That's russian propaganda . Ukraine wasn't pro russian and every region voted to become independant from russia . Pre 1954 there was no russia only the USSR . Those two things are not the same . It's exactly as simple as this video makes out as long as you don't believe Kremlin lies.
Those who live in East Ukraine are also probably the result of mass importation of Russians during the era of the USSR. A little something called Russification
So you got through TH-cam… well done. Can’t wait for your next Ukraine episode in you’re coverage of each month of the war. Keep up the great work. Regards from Sweden.
@@nonye0 This exact video was taken down right after the time it was uploaded, at first I thought I had deju vu cause I remembered saw the video before.
Dear people, Westerners and Easterners, watch the video and think clearly, if you never shared a border with russia, never say something, just live near border and you will change your mind if you`re not evil by nature. Love the video, as it is accurate as possible, and to be honest I`m pretty excited that KG have such information about Ukraine and Georgia, looks they have really good informators in there. Thank you
We (Philippines) share a sea border with China and they're just as bad, but falls short of an actual invasion. However, they have their maritime militia that harras our local fishermen. Also, I think the indians does not share a favorable view with them either.
The real reason for Russian taking the Donbas is that it chokes off the Sea of Azov and this region holds at least half of Ukraine's mineral wealth which would be in the trillions of dollars.
Mofo we all knew Nato was too agressive plus they themselves was sketchy itself like blowing the nordstream itself like basically forcing their allies themselves hmmm btw shit was started..I've watched the news bout this one during HS days 5 years or 6 years ago kinda funny coz none of em' talking bout azov region or such and so called mineral wealths
There is also the NATO expending in eastern Europe, don't know why they don't speak about it, there is multiple factors but it's definitly one of the factors.
The Problem was that the USA post-cold war made the mistake of being the graceless victor. After the soviet union collapsed, america knew it stood unopposed and so they leveraged they're unipolarity as a way to forcefully user in liberal democracy across the board. This created a situation were they had a hitlist, which for the 90's/2000's and 2010's mainly targeted african and middle eastern regimes that they felt weren't aligned with liberal democratic principles. The main tactics employed were a plethora of overt or covert economic sanctions, colour revolutions followed by the classic "humanitarian intervention" which often resulted in on going civil wars and failed states. This model of liberal expansion meant that eventually russia would be next on the chopping block followed by china and iran. Thats what this war is about, thats why they're also talking about "possible" war with china and iran, these regimes understand that within the paradigm of a unipolar world steered by the US, they stand out as unexceptable. Now even if you view liberal democracy and the liberalization of markets as the magic bullet that solves everything, you have to atleast admit that the way in which the US has sought to usher in universal liberalism has for the past 30 years stirred more chaos then prosperity, and the fact that they cannot be held accountable for the worst of its "mistakes" means alot of countries(mostly in the global south) are beginning to also lose faith in the justice and fairness of the international liberal institutions and are now looking towards the east as a necessary counter weight to Western aggression. Putin was provoked, the same way Xi is being provoked right nkw and it takes some serious mental corruption to argue otherwise. The ukrainians knew what they were getting themselves into, they just underestimated how unhinged putin could be. You call it unprovoked because Vlad chose to strike preemptively, but even a blind man could see this war coming.
9:00 min "Every state is free to chose its own allies." Farcically untrue. Even if we ignore the Monroe Doctrine, we cannot ignore Cuba's fate post-Cuban Missile Crisis where it was NOT allowed to chose its allies for the same reason Ukraine is not being allowed to chose her allies.
The part about euromaidan could have been elaborated upon, as the Russian narrative suggests that this was on behest at the US/Nato. In fact, the whole prelude could be a video of its own.
You are completely right, so many Russian propagandists and shills always claim that the war started because of the US/NATO coup in 2014 while in fact there was NO western interference during euromaidan. They also neglect to say that Yanukovych ordered the shooting of protestors.
@@aiurea1 The Crimeans didnt want independence, their referundums were held after the Russians invaded and occupied the terrirory fully skewing the votes. And the Eastern territories had no right to declare independence. Imagine the democrats winning an election in the US and Florida decides to declare indepenence, thats not how countries work.
@viaceslav it wasn't about NATO. Damn Moskal. It was about the EU as well as the fact that Yanukovych was a autocratic a**hole that ordered the police to shoot at protesters.
Great that the video is back up again! Would have been terrible if such an important video was left age restricted. Especially with the current age-proving process of TH-cam
As a ukrainian I want to thank you for this video. You people just could not imagine how tired we are here of explaining all this to foreigners! Also must give credits to creators for the unbeliveable accuracy of everything told in this video. Not a single point I could argue about, and I've been studying russian-ukrainian politics for almost a decade now. Great respect for you guys!
The Kremlin's disinformation campaign is much more successful than their military campaign, especially in post socialist states with mainly people over 40.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
@@yorksfolly1255 I would be surprised if they haven't covered isreal I would double check unfortunately the situation between isreal and Palestine is a very hot topic
@@yorksfolly1255man has been copy pasting this everywhere. Do you really genuinely care or give the slightest shit about the Palestinians or are you just another Russian bot?
I am not pro-Russian but I really think NATO should have just allowed Russia to join NATO when it wants to join them, then this war could never have happened.
The Soviet Union wanted to join, but NATO said no, Russia on the other hand has made no such intention, rather it views joining NATO as joining an empire and would require Russia to lose it's sovereign.
@@KingsandGeneralsIt's well documented that Putin twice asked to join NATO. He was told not to bother applying. The war was provoked by US lead NATO - that is clear as crystal. Do your own research.
@@pibroch BS. Putin wanted to join NATO, on the conditions that the rules to be a NATO member would not apply to Russia. Off course NATO said no to such unreasonable demand
The thing I find rich about people who mention the war in Donbas to defend Russia's full scale invasion is the fact that the Russian side itself is admittedly responsible for starting that war. Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former FSB agent and former commander of separatists, admitted in 2014 to being responsible for war in Eastern Ukraine, and how if his unit didn't cross the border and pull the trigger nothing would've happened in the Donbas. Another thing that's also especially rich is how the Russia apologists who go on about how a genocide was happening (with no evidence btw) will then be so quick to dismiss any and all evidence of Russian war crimes which really goes to show you how ''skeptical'' these people are. They literally just believe whatever they want to and clearly aren't interested in the facts if it doesn't suit their authoritarian worldview.
It feels weird that we have to reiterate that claims like this are false, but I suppose that's a consequence of our post-truth world. I appreciate you all taking the time to provide the evidence and reasoning for why the Russian claims are lies.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
@@lovebaltazar4610 He doesnt have common sense he just wants to make a jab at me while making himself look dumb becuase hes butthurt realizing theres no real difference of the situation between what russia is doing af what isreal does to palestine does. Imagine going to any other youtube channel where a subscriber asks a channel hes subscribed to to make a video about a topic well within their realm and fits their other vidoes and being told "why do you expect someone else to do it for you" what a fool XD
The russian representative at the UN was repeating the biolab idiocy, talking about "combat mosquitoes" being developed by those evil labs in Ukraine. So whenever you think "but what do Russians say about this" remember that you're about to listen to people talking at the UN about combat mosquitoes.
@@palar4195 The biolabs she talked about were to monitor infectious diseases in Ukraine. Besides, how exactly would this mythical bioweapon the Russians scream about be able tontell the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian?
@@p.strobus7569 so there was "mythical" biolabs in the end? And who in the hell told you differentiation is intended? I'll tell you more: research is conducted on ukies, there no difference between ukies and russians. Not forget it was not ukrainian but us installation after all. Only "to monitor", you said? and aegis ashore in hungary and poland is for protection against north korean missiles. obvious lies is so obvious.
Its so typical that I’m surprised we’re even giving it another glance. Its just another superpower looking for excuses to bully weaker countries. For Uncle Sam it was fictional WMDs. Now Russia is angry at fictional labs. If China invades Taiwan I’m almost certain you’ll hear something similar. Its almost amusing😂😂
I said it on the previous upload of this video, but I’ll say it again. If your justification has to keep changing, maybe, just maybe, you aren’t justified in your war.
Forgive me but Im gonna play the Devil's advocate here. Let's say that the argument of existential threat was serious, but not meant as an imminent threat from NATO, but as a threat to the Russian leadership, should its neighbours start thriving once they had broken loose from Moscow. We have plenty of such examples from eastern Europe. If Ukriane, the crown jewl of the Soviet... Err Russia's friendly neighbours would be allowed to break loose too then that would entice the entirety of the Soviet sattelites to break with Russia. You see? The threat is from the INSIDE if Ukraine or other states prove to be better off without Moscow. THIS is what Putler fears, hence the argument of existential threat may be real for them. That is not to say it is a valid argument to attack and bestially start killing "your brother" neighbours, but referring to no imminent military threats is either a misunderstanding by KG's part or intentionally ignoring it. So lets talk about it.
@@184Kitkat This is a beautiful narrative about a prosperous Ukraine as a threat to authoritarian Russia. But I don't think it's true. Russian propaganda was able to convince the Russians that Ukraine is literally the successor state of Hitler's Germany, despite the fact that the country is ruled by a Jew and there are no nationalist parties in parliament for 9 years in a row. If Ukraine were successful, Russian propaganda would simply change reality for Russians.
@@184Kitkat The thing really under threat was Russia's sphere of influence, and to some extent, Russia's ability to keep Western influence outside of it. These are not trivial issues, but none of them is a cause for war.
I was so disappointed to learn through a Pravda article that I could have also worked towards my underwater demolitions and knife fighting patches when I was in the Boy Scouts. I guess those weren't available in my area.
Lmao right maybe I would've stayed in Boy Scouts if that was actually the case. Instead you just got to tie knots, camp, build wood cars and get diddled by the Scout master.
I made a comment, but deleted it because K&G covered it at the end. First video breaking down the UN data by year. I'm impressed. I've been commenting the annual breakdown since the war began, and I'm glad it was finally covered by someone.
Thanks a lot for the video, I'd love to see a series in the same spirit on other wars as well, RUS-Georgia, US-Afghanistan, US-Iraq, IDF-Palenstine and others
Thank you for a very comprehensive way to address Russian claims. I, as a Ukrainian who live abroad, am engaged in frequent conversations with westerners who sincerely believe in the outlined Russian arguments. I don't blame them since Russian media presence is monstrous compared to Ukrainian. However, it is sometimes hard for me to debunk Russian nonsense in an effective way. Thanks again! ❤
Westerners have zero education about history of the region Dima. As a Pole who also lives abroad I can confirm that. There are also certain far left and far right circles which lap these narratives. That is because these narratives fit into their world view, and are reinforced by their ties to Russia. Historical ties in the case of far left (communist movements) and modern ties in the case of far right, who are financed by Putin across Europe.
what's worse is that many westerners think they are on the smart side by believing russia, simply because it is contrarian and goes against the conventional wisdom. People thinks this makes them smart and better-informed than others, when it's obviously the opposite.
@@mdstate829 that would be good to but I think Georgia would be better. I don't know much about that war as its often overlooked and I'd like to know more about the russains performance.
@bradleywoods7354 it was the same war as in Ukraine but finished sooner, by the enormous effort of the West and Georgian armed forces, that times Russia was much weaker than at the beginning of 2022 and I believe they couldn't afford a long war, also they still wanted to keep relations with the western world, which happen with help of Obama and restart politics :) They "sold" Georgia in 2008 on economic development, oil, and gas by rejecting Georgia and Ukrainian in NATO and allowing the invasion to happen, but more horrific was to see restart politics and smiles on their faces, the winter Olympics in Russia and World Cup, man... what a disappointment... and then all pains come in all together in 2014 and much worst in 2022, just by realizing you lived all this and you know it could be stopped by Angela Merkel and Sarcozi in 2008.
9:00 "Every state is free to choose its own allies" Unless the alliance was called the Warsaw pact, Soviet Russia's tool to keep its occupied countries under its booth. The only military alliance that invaded itself
Not even just those within the Warsaw pact, Finland was never a part of it, but were threatened by the Soviets to remain neutral throughout the cold war.
How can you tell which side is telling the truth and which side is lying? The liars can never keep their stories straight, and keep changing their justifications.
simple: the truth is based on evidence. All claims made by Russia are based on 0 evidence. It's like if I'm saying "poutine is a reptilian". I don't have any proof; that's just an allegation; not the truth. However we are sure of 1 thing: Russia invaded Ukraine. And that's a fact.
I would say just one thing. In Western Europe Ukrainians are known for not being the nicest of people or neighbors, having had a ruthless stance on minorities in their territories and political "friction" with their neighbors ( other than Russia ) in the past. Do not get me wrong i do not support the war or the Russian side i am just putting forward some facts that people from other places around the world might not know.
@@jaimeperez8247 Ofcourse that situation is common in Central and Eastern Europe. But there are levels to it. Some countries are bullies and others are carefull about it ( this is still wrong ) and others just do not give a shit.
Thank you for being honest, this video mad it seem as if Ukraine aren’t guilty of numerous things. As if there isn’t videos of blacks being told they won’t be given safety and shelter in Ukraine and denying them basic rights. When the conflict kicked off and had to beg international media. They were letting dawgs and other pets have rights to safety first.
The only justification I can think of is that the territory of Ukraine makes up important strategic land, as most of it is flat and is quite mountainous to the west. Adding to that the sea to the south makes the lands of Ukraine fairly important to control in case of future conflicts with the west. Of course there is no saying for sure there would be any such conflict, but I can somewhat understand the possible thought of Kremlin that it HAS to maintain it's strength and remove any weaknesses in case the West would become hostile and invade them. They are certainly aware of the history of countries like Korea, Japan, Iraq and may not want to be any kind of threat from the West even in the future.
You described there a "possible reason to", not justification There is so many "it would be better for us but bad for them" in this world.. and nothing of the kind has ever done and never will make an action just
And.. Russia wasn't in any kind of danger before 2014.. and it was tiny before 2022.. and just small after 2022.. like.. for what? Resources? They are selling it all already Even in this weakened state Russia is not under any war becides the one it begone.. actually, that "Russia vs NATO" narrative was pushed by Russia alone.. even became a best NATO salesman in Eastern Europe by trying threatening every country around it into submission.. some fled to NATO.. and now Russia is stated that NATO is surrounding them!) So they will attack "to defend"!) Everyone in Eastern Europe know what is happening here.. it's not obvious only for the nations which have newer tasted a russian occupation
How many countries have tried to annex sovereign territories since Ww2? One. Russia. How many countries would ever consider invading a nuclear power, or better said, the country which has enough nuclear missiles to remove all life from Earth? Stop regurgitating Putin propaganda. Russia has zero worries about ever being invaded. It simply cannot tolerate to have functional democracies on its borders (such as Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova) because that threatens their oligarchic power structure, because that threatens Putin, because that may give people ideas such as, what if not Putin. That is it. That is the only reason Russia has been invading countries and annexing territories since the 80ies (Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Afghanistan).
Russia has the world’s largest stockphile of nuclear weapons, unless NATO makes some sort of anti-nuke device, what threat would the west pose to them? No one is dumb enough to start armageddon.
What America did it too argument are you talking about? When did America invade with the intention to permanently occupy another country? Unless you're going back in time SIGNIFICANTLY...
That's beyond the scope of the video. We don't care about supposed American aggression of other countries, the point is EVEN IF the US (or any other country) did do that, it won't excuse what Russia did, so the argument that "America did it too" holds no water independently of your beliefs on the matter, at least that's how I understand it.
Iraq and Afghanistan seems to disagree with your point there, after the us failed to win over the people, struggled to make a puppet state, they instead hunkered down hoping for time, time that would allow them to make successful puppet states, this crumpled once a different political movement took the white house, and led to the Afghan exit after 20 years of occupation.
I left Donbass in 2014, I am still in Ukraine, and no one ever tried to `genocide` me or someone else from donbass, if you wand to destroy ssome group of beople you must prevent them from the escaping controlled teritory
In the same vein as their coverage of this conflict, I'd love to see K&G do an in-depth series on the Arab Spring and the Libyan, Syrian, and Yemeni civil wars, as well as the rise and fall of ISIS. There's soooo much detail to these conflicts, and they've really defined the last decade of world history. K&G would do a great job with them.
I was surprised when I couldn't find this anymore. But then I realised that it was age restricted. Man youtube can be questionable sometimes. Nonetheless great video!
I was a fan of youre history telling but now youre getting politically involved in a argumentation that is west news based. Plus why would some high intellectuals say the opposite things of the argument. Still you would know with knowledge about history that the winner always rights the history. Or in this present case the owners of spreading the information. The name is tobias bolhuis greatings, to anwer you're question fully.
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. But it's a great material for someone who wants to figure out what's going on in Ukraine (even if it's obvious)
Anyone who thinks it was provoked cannot be told otherwise... I showed interest in the idea that it was provoked until it didn't add up... narratives are louder than the truth
Never saw these kind of videos for the invasion of iraq and the war crimes committed there. I guess the west is only awake when it fits their narrative.
@@ooloongjohnson4015 how was I minimizing it? I'm just saying, a true docuseries of how western bullies, I mean allies, from NATO bomb other countries unprovoked is as wrong as Russia invading Ukraine. The world should stand against these tyrants.. even if they live in our homes.
@@tjwonderboy you said you want to focus on the bully that is NATO, yet all the conflicts you listed, did not involve NATO. Perhaps we do need this series, so you can learn about it
@@tjwonderboy so I guess the csto all invaded Ukraine, since it's the same group of friends. Someone should tell Armenia that they are responsible for this
Germany complete sold off any logic for 70 years. They were so ashamed of the murdering of the soviet forces and civilians they let them pull their strings for way too long. There is hardly anyone from that generation left and its about time their guilt trip ends.
@@tankerbrosgaming6556 you think the America did not bomb the hell out of other countries and kill many people. Lied about weapons of mass destruction.
The US has violated many countries territory and sovereignty but it has not attempted to wipe a country off the face of the earth. Russia is unique in this respect for the post WW2 order.
Are you delusional? They literally set up a government in Afghanistan they’ve done this multiple times. Don’t bring America into this… they’re even worse
I worked for DoD under the Nunn-Lugar program in the 1990s. Russia was intricately incorporated into the mission at that time. Everything was transparent.
I appreciate the impartiality of "Kings and Generals", yet it's evident that there's a certain Western bias visible in their representation of this war. I'm not denying Russian aggression or the occupation of Ukraine, but it's nonsensical to suggest it was unprovoked. Nonetheless, this portrayal does not encapsulate the full spectrum of the situation. For a more comprehensive perspective, I recommend the lecture by John Mearsheimer at the University of Chicago. If your concern truly revolves around human rights, then the same attention should be given to the Occupied Palestinian Territories by Israel.
- Mearsheimer completely ignores the position of France and Germany on blocking Ukraine's progress in NATO since 2008. In 2008, Ukraine was denied the Membership Action Plan. - Mearsheimer completely ignores that since 2014 the admission of Ukraine to NATO is fundamentally impossible. - Mearsheimer completely ignores that the invasion of Ukraine without its complete capture does not solve any goals for Russia that he assumes are valid, while claiming that Russia did not want complete control over Ukraine. - Mearsheimer completely ignores Putin's rhetoric regarding Ukrainians as a nation and Ukraine as a country.
Exactly also I haven’t watch the video but did he talk about how the people of Crimea wants to be apart of Russia, and how, this all started back in 2014 and Ukraine government attacking donbass even cnn has a video on it
@@Bell_plejdo568p what happened first is unnamed armed men (now we know it was Girkin) took control of government buildings and overrun the police station in Slovyansk, in response to that Ukraine sent out an army, which is default course of action in response to armed people taking government buildings and killing officials that refused to cooperate, same thing with Crimea, armed men, russian soldiers, seized government buildings and encircled ukranian soldiers in their bases, it was never the will of people, separatist party where Aksenov was the head got barely 3% of votes to Crimean parliament before 2014, thats a good tell for legitimacy of his government
Some folks don't understand geopolitics or the tactics involved, and it's scary...remember folks, we are the ones who will fight in the wars, but our leaders will sit comfortably watching us do so.
I’ve been arguing with these Z clowns and debunking their nonsense ever since the war began and words can’t describe how immensely satisfying it is to see an entire video uploaded that is specifically dedicated to disproving every one of their falsehoods
The thing is they either don’t have the open mind to at least hear it out or they know their arguments can’t be backed up with evidence but still insist of doubling down on the idea that two and two make ten. Too much like Putin in that respect
So Azov don't have wolfsangel as their symbol? So Ukrainean didn't jump and shout: "hand Russian on a tree" in 2014 maidan? So Ukrainean didn't burn alive 45 pro Russian activists in Odessa in same year? Western clowns have nothing to say about that. Only thing they can do is just to leave.
Who gives you the authority to call everything anyways? The whole mess in the middle east and covert warfare in half the world, ultimately responsible for millions of deaths, was unprovoked. Laying bases in, and bombing around the world: Unprovoked. Interfering with governments and clamping the right of people to decide their own future: Unprovoked. A lot of what happens around us is unprovoked. Now tell me ways to undo all that or just live with another unprovoked something.
@@lovefromthar8989king and generals doesn't support the west so your just saying random war crimes that another terror state did even tho he's focused on the russian terror state
8:57 this is exactly the point that most frustrates me about when anyone, Russian or western, tries to use NATO expansion as a reason this war is NATO's fault. Those countries CHOSE to join NATO, they wanted to join NATO and in every country the vote wasn't even close. Russia talks about the right to protect their state, but what about the right of those Eastern European states to protect themselves? Those countries have a history of being oppressed by Russia, and this war has just proven to them that they needed to join NATO for this with own safety.
Yes their LEADERS signed them on. No referendum. They might regret it when they are dragged into a conflict they didn't need to be in and sending their sons and daughters to their deaths.
@@thinkinghmmmm No country is truly democratic especially not in the modern era. No vote for the support for Ukraine in the UK USA or any other country they were just sent , no vote for the war with Iraq Iran and Afghanistan but they still happened. True democracy has never been achieved just like true communism there just not practical ways of running a country.
I love western culture and don't care one bit about Russia, but i have to be honest on this matter. If you love the history and know a little bit about politics after the ww2, you know that USA government has been meddling in other countries inner politics for decades. No other country bombarded and invaded more than America has done after World War 2. They destabilized and economically ravaged so many countries around the world. What Russia is doing is wrong, but it's nothing that USA hasn't done before. So in that case it would be fair to criticize American imperialism too.
Of course! All forms of imperialism must be criticized. It's just that there is obvious selective bias towards one or the other on both sides of the spectrum.
Thank you for re-iterating these! Well made video as always. It is sad that there is a need to debunk these myths, but I guess that's the world we live in :(
Some call this new world a "Post truth world".. There were always all kinds of people believing in or standing for all kinds of false, hurtful, wrong and criminal ideas but let's call it like it is.. The person who normalized these fringe views and encouraged people to trust their feelings more than facts, is none other than Fat Donnie; Orange Buffoon himself. Prior to him these people talked among themselves in the deepest corners of the internet. It was Donald who brought them out to the sun and told them that scientists are corrupt and not to be trusted as well as all media (except the talking heads that were licking his ass). Trump made fools being proud of being fools and thinking that their opinion formed after half an hour of Google "research" , is just as valid and holds the same weight as an opinion of some PhD dude who spent a better part of his/her adult life researching that same topic while contributing new and scientifically proved data to the matter...
The most sad part is that You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. But it's a great material for someone who wants to figure out what's going on in Ukraine (even if it's obvious)
I can't seem to find where you cite your sources, except for some in the video. Please write it down, the information that you are spreading is about solemn events.
As a Pole, I want to thank you for explaining this “american promise that nato won’t expand eastward”. I’m really tired of putinists from all over the world telling us on the internet that the war in Ukraine is justified by this promise and we are guilty as well. It is as if they think that it is okay when somebody decides for us whether we want to be in American sphere or russian one. We, Central Europeans are people like all of you and WE have decided that we want to join NATO and EU, not any other person, no matter if this person is the leader of USA or russia or China. Glory to Ukraine, soon you will join us in NATO and EU brothers ❤
Thanks. I'm from the US and I don't believe for a second that y'all are under any compulsion to be our allies, and I like to think we're generally fair with things like trade. Candidly, I was worried before this all kicked off that Eastern Europe was still struggling to throw off the old USSR, but I think that was all Russia. Shoot for the moon, guys. Meet you there?
The irony of the claim that the war is about curbing NATO expansionism is that the war itself drove nations like Sweden and Finland, who had long preferred to not be associated with NATO, to sign up. Had the war not escalated in 2022, it is unlikely that either would have chosen to join NATO.
Poland is an Eastern European country. What does China have to do with any of this? Why’d you even bring it up? China is literally over 4,000 miles away from Europe. Ffs
I am truly grateful for the time and effort you have invested in crafting such an insightful and thorough review of the topic. The meticulousness with which you approached each facet truly stands out and provided me with a comprehensive understanding of the subject. Your ability to distill complex concepts into accessible, digestible content is commendable, and it's clear that your depth of knowledge is significant. Your passion for the topic radiates through your writing, and that enthusiasm is infectious.
Despite innumerable comments on the internet the US and allies did not break ANY UN rules when it invaded Iraq in 2003. In fact it can be said any country that didn't invade Iraq was going against multiple official UN resolutions. I'll explain. When the Gulf War (first Iraq war) ended it ended with an official UN resolution number 687 (look it up). In that resolution it called for all nations that signed it to invade and remove Saddam Hussain from power over Iraq if he violated any of the terms of that agreement such as not allow UN weapons inspectors to visit any location they wanted to, at any point, for any reason. By any standards Saddam broke that resolution multiple times in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion and he was given many chances to comply and avoid an invasion. He didn't comply because according to Saddam after the war when he was on trial he thought he did have WMD construction facilities himself because that is what his officers told him (because they didn't want Saddam to execute them). That UN resolution is why the UN never had to vote on if the US and allies should be allowed to invade Iraq in 2003 because legally by UN law the invasion should have already happened years earlier. This is also why the US didn't have to use their veto to prevent any resolution from the UN security council against the planned invasion of Iraq in 2003. I'm not making the argument that the invasion of Iraq was the correct decision. In hindsight it was not. But legally speaking the invasion was 100% legal. Lastly, the thing that people now always forget about when talking about the 2003 Iraq war is the US did in fact find WMDs in Iraq. So many people say the US never found them when in fact it did. This was reported on during the Obama administration by all major news media in 2014. The US at first did not wish to admit that it had found chemical weapons in Iraq because the designs of all of those weapons were from the US. The CIA had provided the designs to Iraq during it's war with Iran. Many US service members and Iraqi workers for the US were injured by the thousands of chemical weapons that were found in Iraq while cleaning them up. Again if you don't believe this it is a simple google search to find out this is in fact correct that the US did find WMDs in Iraq during the 2003 invasion. Search for the article "The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons" on the New York Times or "U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report" on Yahoo (there are many other articles those are just 2 examples).
Agreed, I've had to say similar things to idiots on the internet who have no idea how the UN works or what happened in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
I think the difficulty here is the US would rather admit they found nothing, especially since most of it was in its stages of infancy… than admit they were guilty of creating the enemy, like literally building Al-Qaeda to fight the soviets. I hate the neo-cons and what they did to damage the US, the UK, and the EU. My country, America, has a lot to atone for, and obviously none of this stuff in the Middle East or South America has been simple…. But for once, the US being on Ukraine’s side to aid them in their self-determination and destruction of Russian styled corruption is a good thing. Most of the world would agree that helping Ukraine, help themselves, is the goth thing to do; regardless of past US/UK/EU actions. Even Japan and a Korea are arming in support of knowing that the US will not own them, invade them, or control them, but to do our part in protecting them.
Iraq was an an illegal and unproved war but no ones going round calling it the 'Illegal/Unproved Invasion of Iraq' like K&G does with Ukraine. > By any standards Saddam broke that resolution multiple times in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion and he was given many chances to comply and avoid an invasion. Oh look support for an illegal and unproved invasion of another country on filmys reasons. How could Saddam comply to turning over Nuclear WMDs that he did not have? Why does this reasoning not apply to Ukraine? if they didnt want to get invaded just do what Russsia says and give up the land? > Lastly, the thing that people now always forget about when talking about the 2003 Iraq war is the US did in fact find WMDs in Iraq. Not the ones they said they were after but then you must admit Putin really did find Nazi's in Ukraine in for the form of Neo Nazi's then.
For anyone who says this channel does not do anything about Israel six day war , First Arab - Israeli War ,and Yom Kippur war have all been done on this channel the 6-day war is number three in popular videos list but that's what I expect for people who complain about the conflict especially when it's irrelevant besides people use it defective tactics to make people focus on that instead of what needs to be focused on at the moment.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
Be realistic. The native population of Arabs and Muslims defending themselves from a colonial power isn’t defensive and justified on their end at all?? Cut the shit.
And they are talking about the reasons isreal gives for attacking Palestinians and propaganda agaisnt Palestinians being debunked in a video. They arnt complaining about the war being talked about itself you fool. Same as this video it’s not about the war exactly but the justifications by Russia being debunked despite them having other vidoes actually directly about the war and tactics there’s a difference use your brain if you have it
@@yorksfolly1255 Okay first off I'm not Kings of generals. I don't recall Ukraine saying we're going to wipe out every Russian because of a genocide that was just committed against them and force the entire country into on the day it was formed. Or break It multiple treaties time and time again and acting offended when the other side doesn't fall through with their side after you already broke it or kick it out every Russian person on the grounds of you no longer have citizenship for our new country that you've been living in since before this country or Ukraine committed International attacks against rusted background civilians Over The Grove.And remind me how many ukraines allies have not recognize lessons right to exist especially before this war even happened?
Well I think it's not provocation from Ukraine that caused Russian invasion, but the possibility of NATO military base (in Crimea). Same thing happened with Gerogia.
Before 2014, NATO countries were selling military hardware to NATO. France had a deal for four Mistral helicopter carriers. Including building 2 in Russia to transfer technology for naval military construction. Totally the act of countries that intend to go to war with you *rolls eyes* PS. Even after 2014 NATO members were still selling military equipment to Russia. Nothing as big as navy ships due to Crimea sanctions. But small arms and equipment, plus components for larger weapons, worth billions still making its way from NATO to Russia.
one thing well said was "violations committed by other countries cant be used as justification"....So we know that other countries did commit violations (something that even a blind person can see), yet there was never focus, action, punishment towards them (USA)....Russia is the big bad....and I am bloody tired of it. I am not defending them, and I agree that what they are doing is wrong, but if you want justice against them, put them in line, right after you do justice against USA and other NATO countries...how about that for a change???? I loved your "Historical videos" but enough with the bloody western hypocrisy...
Jim Baker, who had no authority as to who would join NATO, casually mentioned, verbally, that NATO would not expand, one time. That's it. No formal treaty. It was during the fall of the Berlin Wall, and everyone was freaking out. (10:40)
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Love you guys
When will you do something about the Armenian-Azeri war ?
Watching this again, hopefully the overlords don't screw with you anymore. Love your work!
What are the changes in this reupload?
@@tiortedrootsky probably blurring out certain symbols TH-cam disapproves
For those wondering what's changed in the re-uploaded video, a bunch of real-life footage from the war was removed and animated graphics were put in its place.
This is a really important topic to put more eyes on.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
@@yorksfolly1255 I'm not in the staff of this channel. I just had the link to the original and compared the versions.
Thank god. I thought i was having a deja vu about a video i swear sounds familiar
@@yorksfolly1255 I really hate how people are just pretending like there isn't a genocide happening over there.
I'm surprised the shootdown of MH17 wasn't mentioned when it came to civilian casualties in the Donbas region. That itself was a serious war crime.
Especially since it makes up nearly 10% of all civilian casualties of Russia's invasion of Donbass. And Girkin was found guilty and sentenced in absentia for this crime by a Dutch court. Actually there is well written article on the "Ukrainian genocide in Donbass" myth on Eastsplaining subtrack (written by a Wojciech Orliński, a Polish journalist)
I remember this news breaking and thinking there's no way the collective west will let this slide so its the end of russia.....how naive of me to not know half of them were in bed with him esp the likes of Merkel
That was an accident.
@@HayilAl-Qadhaafi-ws9of You don't shoot down an airliner as an accident ffs......
@@HayilAl-Qadhaafi-ws9of No, it wasn't...
I must point out that the story of crucified children, including a fetus cut out from the murdered mother I've already heard about the war in Yugoslavia as well. I wouldn't be surprised that they reused the same narratives over and over.
The USA pulled that in the Kuwait invasion before invading Iraq too. It is a common trope.
@@PBRStreetgang911 And the story about a crucified Canadian soldier in Ypres(?) during WWI. I imagine that during every human conflict there has always been similar tales told by at least one side.
@@PBRStreetgang911actually Kuwait pulled that trick for sympathy at the UN. Try to get your facts straight.
The made up Crucified little boy of Slovyansk was already used by Russian propaganda on state TV and I'm sure they will do more of the same.
similar stories were told about the Iraqi army when they invaded Kuwait in 1991, i remember as a kid hearing those stories in the news as one of the reasons why we went to war against Iraq back then, and we all know now that these stories were all propaganda lies to justify the war.
The thing that's the most ironic about the ''NATO broke it's promise not to expand argument'' is that it's often projection from the Russian side. Because not only did NATO not promise such a thing but it's Russia itself who is violating promises regarding its neighbors joining alliances. The video already pointed out the Budapest Memorandum from 1994, but another one that gets overlooked is how Russia itself promised to respect the sovereignty of their neighbors choosing to join whatever alliances they want to at the 1999 Istanbul Summit, or how Russia promised to pull its military forces out of Georgia and Moldova by 2002. These promises that Russia broke will almost never get talked about because it contradicts the narrative of Russia being the victim.
Projection explains absolutely loads of Russian propaganda, not just this one point about breaching agreements. It's like they do it as a tactic to get ahead of any criticism by falsely accusing the other side first. Russia is a far right authoritarian state, so of course they accuse Ukraine of being a neo nazi state. They accused Ukraine of forcibly conscripting people off the streets at a time when the "separatists" were doing exactly that. Or when the krokodil capital of the world pushes made up conspiracy theories about Zelensky and other government officials being drug addicts. Or Russia pretty much destroying entire Donbas cities while falsely accusing Ukraine of relentlessly shelling Donetsk and Luhansk for 8 years even though both of those are almost completely intact even now.
Even before the final collapse of the Soviet Union, Gorbachev and other high Soviet officials stated multiple times that Eastern Block countries would be allowed to "go their own way" (this was humorously referred to as "Sinatra doctrine"). It didn't take very long for Russia to break its promise, by sending tanks against protestors in Lithuania. And mind you, Gorbachev was perhaps the least imperialistic leader ever to reside in the Kremlin (maybe ex aequo with Yeltsin). Is it any wonder then that we in Eastern/Central-Eastern Europe wanted to join NATO as soon as possible?
Russia is about to find out what it means to be victimized.
That myth that keeps being spreaded despite being debunked and proved to be false to oblivion, fits like a glove on that old say "lie one time and people call you a liar, repeat thousand of times and slowly people take as being true", by which The Zod Federation has been doing for 3 decades already, they can't or perhaps they don't want Zod Federation to became a free and developed nation along the rest since thats very unconvinient for a Dictorship masquarading as democracy where opposition have extreme bad luck, drinking radioactive things, falling of balconies, everyone becames a "criminal"... uuuuuuuuuuh, Democracy will destroy THE MOTHERLAND........ DAMN YOU WEST AND NATO!!!! But on a dictactorship the siege mentality and "everyone around is a enemy" is pretty much a 101 of how to keep the people enslaved under ditactoships, slavery in exchange for "safety and protection against the ENEMIES THAT WANT TO HARM YOU"...... Also if i may add another example of Zod breaking promises and aggression, and on the line of "genocide" Chechen wars" and even to this day tens of millions that are Zods by citizenship but ethnically belong to minorities still being treated as second or third class citizens, so..... the whole new Zod "Cult" and propaganda has more holes than the worse swiss cheese.....
Putin has not kept a single agreement he's ever made. Why would anyone even entertain an idea of a signed peace deal with the likes of him?
This reminds me of an Aesop's fable: "The Wolf and the Lamb"
A wolf was out looking for food and happened upon a lamb in a river. He was originally going to just attack immediately, but felt the need to justify himself.
He approached the lamb and began accusing her of various crimes and actions against him. But each time, the lamb refuted these claims, innocent of them for one reason or another.
Despite this, the wolf refused to let himself be cheated of a meal and attacked and carried off the lamb anyway.
The moral of the story is twofold: a tyrant will always try to justify their actions, and the wicked will not stop their plans simply because the innocent protest.
The wolf had to first justify to the rest of the WILD animals why it needs to eat to survive.
The fable would rather have the wolf depending on something else for its biological functioning. Grass perhaps?
@Consigliere Ke I think the fable was more implying the wolf could have gone for a deer or a boar, but the lamb, an innocent child and more vulnerable, was a target of opportunity that the wolf felt the need to attack but also felt like he needed to justify to himself.
@@seanwhitman8353 It would be much more honourable to refer to lambs as other countries like Bhutan or Tuvalu. Certainly not Ukraine.
@@seanwhitman8353 and what would the deer or boar represent? Norway/India?
@@consigliere254 Oh. Now I get what you are referring to. I thought it was more literal, in reference to the fable itself. Sorry. I was just waking up when I read the last comment
As Syrian who used to live in Donbas when russia started all this and i still live in Ukraine i am surprise of the amount of research your team did! this is very accurate and with a lots of insight! respect!
Best of luck and blessings to you, distant cousin.
- a Syrian American in Texas
@@iamAdeOba What are you laughing at?
@@flagwashere he might be some supporter of putler ...
@@pandakicker1 Thanks bro! best of luck for you too! hopefully finally there will be a day we get our freedom back and country back
I am happy you managed to find home here, in Ukraine. Stay safe, fellow compatriot.
One of the reasons that is not mentioned is that enormous reserves of oil and gaz have been discovered in the Donbass region and Crimean territorial waters in 2012. Ukraine started inviting western oil companies such as Shell to help them get these ressources since they didn't have the technology. The war in 2014 scared western investors and they pulled out. If Ukraine managed to get these fossile fuel ressources, it would've been a major competitor against Russia for providing oil and gaz to Europe. This war has alot to do with energy, and this is why I like to call Putin "the George Bush of Russia". Both these leaders need to be prosecuted for war crimes, Bush and Putin should share a cell.
This is one of the main reasons for putins' invasion of Ukraine, and tbh if russias military was anywhere near the maintenance capacity that they should have been, the war would be going in a different direction. Especially since Russia is throwing its might against Russia and us and its allies are only helping Ukraine. Russia didn't maintain its military near the levels they should have given the amount of equipment abandoned
That's taken from Rupert Russell's book "Price Wars", right?
And is still not right. G. Busch never wanted to annex Iraq. There isn’t a single Iraqi town/city being indiscriminately bombarded to rubbles as a lot of Ukrainian are.
Because that would be off topic. Read the title again. And this channel tends to be more factual than gossip unlike other channels. It may be a reason for Russian agressiom but unless there are substantial proof, it shouldnt be mentioned at this point
The war in Ukraine is based on energy market but there is no oil reserves in Donbass. Some natural gas deposits with weak debit known from 1930's in Kharkiv - Shebekino area and Black Sea.
Putin needs Ukrainian territory to have direct access to Central Europe thru fully controlled Black Sea. The plan of annexation by one way or another was known in 1999. If Yanukovich could stay in power Ukraine will be the same as Belorussia.
Look if countries from your Bloc (that you established against their will for the most part) left and joined the "opposite side" when they had the chance, what does that say about Russia as a whole?
It shows that their world power status is gone.
Putin could have built his country into something the Baltic states and Europe would have been keen to trade with . He could have given his people genuine democracy , pushed for education programs , heathcare and employment training programs etc but he didn't . He decided to use force on his neighbours and rob his own country of billions . One day the russians will realise that but it'll be too late .
And Putin's Russia has perhaps even less to offer than the USSR. Soviet narrative about progress, equality etc., while mostly false, at the very least sounded attractive. Putin's propaganda on the other hand is nothing more than insane ramblings, and constantly getting worse.
@@gregoryjames165 The color revolution wasn't backed by America. That's russian propaganda . Ukraine wasn't pro russian and every region voted to become independant from russia . Pre 1954 there was no russia only the USSR . Those two things are not the same . It's exactly as simple as this video makes out as long as you don't believe Kremlin lies.
Those who live in East Ukraine are also probably the result of mass importation of Russians during the era of the USSR. A little something called Russification
So you got through TH-cam… well done.
Can’t wait for your next Ukraine episode in you’re coverage of each month of the war.
Keep up the great work. Regards from Sweden.
what u mean he got through youtube?
@@nonye0 One of his recent videos was taken down by TH-cam for some obscure policy violation
@@patrickt7 It was precisely this one
@@nonye0 This exact video was taken down right after the time it was uploaded, at first I thought I had deju vu cause I remembered saw the video before.
Dear people, Westerners and Easterners, watch the video and think clearly, if you never shared a border with russia, never say something, just live near border and you will change your mind if you`re not evil by nature. Love the video, as it is accurate as possible, and to be honest I`m pretty excited that KG have such information about Ukraine and Georgia, looks they have really good informators in there.
Thank you
*informers
We (Philippines) share a sea border with China and they're just as bad, but falls short of an actual invasion. However, they have their maritime militia that harras our local fishermen. Also, I think the indians does not share a favorable view with them either.
If you live near a border with Russia, build a high wall with flamethrowers .
The real reason for Russian taking the Donbas is that it chokes off the Sea of Azov and this region holds at least half of Ukraine's mineral wealth which would be in the trillions of dollars.
It’s also really industrialized
Mofo we all knew Nato was too agressive plus they themselves was sketchy itself like blowing the nordstream itself like basically forcing their allies themselves hmmm btw shit was started..I've watched the news bout this one during HS days 5 years or 6 years ago kinda funny coz none of em' talking bout azov region or such and so called mineral wealths
The real reason is that putin has multiple motivations
@@rutgerb true, one reason is not enough for a war to break, unless the reason is trying to replace dollar
There is also the NATO expending in eastern Europe, don't know why they don't speak about it, there is multiple factors but it's definitly one of the factors.
The Problem was that the USA post-cold war made the mistake of being the graceless victor.
After the soviet union collapsed, america knew it stood unopposed and so they leveraged they're unipolarity as a way to forcefully user in liberal democracy across the board. This created a situation were they had a hitlist, which for the 90's/2000's and 2010's mainly targeted african and middle eastern regimes that they felt weren't aligned with liberal democratic principles.
The main tactics employed were a plethora of overt or covert economic sanctions, colour revolutions followed by the classic "humanitarian intervention" which often resulted in on going civil wars and failed states.
This model of liberal expansion meant that eventually russia would be next on the chopping block followed by china and iran.
Thats what this war is about, thats why they're also talking about "possible" war with china and iran, these regimes understand that within the paradigm of a unipolar world steered by the US, they stand out as unexceptable.
Now even if you view liberal democracy and the liberalization of markets as the magic bullet that solves everything, you have to atleast admit that the way in which the US has sought to usher in universal liberalism has for the past 30 years stirred more chaos then prosperity, and the fact that they cannot be held accountable for the worst of its "mistakes" means alot of countries(mostly in the global south) are beginning to also lose faith in the justice and fairness of the international liberal institutions and are now looking towards the east as a necessary counter weight to Western aggression.
Putin was provoked, the same way Xi is being provoked right nkw and it takes some serious mental corruption to argue otherwise. The ukrainians knew what they were getting themselves into, they just underestimated how unhinged putin could be. You call it unprovoked because Vlad chose to strike preemptively, but even a blind man could see this war coming.
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"Every state is free to chose its own allies."
Farcically untrue. Even if we ignore the Monroe Doctrine, we cannot ignore Cuba's fate post-Cuban Missile Crisis where it was NOT allowed to chose its allies for the same reason Ukraine is not being allowed to chose her allies.
Thanks!
The part about euromaidan could have been elaborated upon, as the Russian narrative suggests that this was on behest at the US/Nato. In fact, the whole prelude could be a video of its own.
It’s so awful, because you had 10s of thousands freezing their ass off in -20 for months. Grandmas cooking etc. hard won Revolution is what it was.
You are completely right, so many Russian propagandists and shills always claim that the war started because of the US/NATO coup in 2014 while in fact there was NO western interference during euromaidan. They also neglect to say that Yanukovych ordered the shooting of protestors.
@@aiurea1 The Crimeans didnt want independence, their referundums were held after the Russians invaded and occupied the terrirory fully skewing the votes. And the Eastern territories had no right to declare independence. Imagine the democrats winning an election in the US and Florida decides to declare indepenence, thats not how countries work.
@viaceslav it wasn't about NATO. Damn Moskal. It was about the EU as well as the fact that Yanukovych was a autocratic a**hole that ordered the police to shoot at protesters.
@@aiurea1 maybe some didn't before 2014. Not after. Check your timeline.
Great that the video is back up again! Would have been terrible if such an important video was left age restricted. Especially with the current age-proving process of TH-cam
Is there any difference between this version and the previous one?
@@luciancasu101 only slight differences if I am correct. Like the blurred Azov logo
Apparently some video footage has been replaced with animated footage. Another poster pointed that out
@@BrickDaniels-qu7bz it isn’t this channels fault, blame TH-cam
As a ukrainian I want to thank you for this video. You people just could not imagine how tired we are here of explaining all this to foreigners! Also must give credits to creators for the unbeliveable accuracy of everything told in this video. Not a single point I could argue about, and I've been studying russian-ukrainian politics for almost a decade now. Great respect for you guys!
The Kremlin's disinformation campaign is much more successful than their military campaign, especially in post socialist states with mainly people over 40.
The introduction of countryballs was a punch to the face, but a welcome one, great video and great effort!
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
@@yorksfolly1255 Wrong comment broski
@@yorksfolly1255 I would be surprised if they haven't covered isreal I would double check unfortunately the situation between isreal and Palestine is a very hot topic
@@yorksfolly1255man has been copy pasting this everywhere. Do you really genuinely care or give the slightest shit about the Palestinians or are you just another Russian bot?
That's YT for you
I am not pro-Russian but I really think NATO should have just allowed Russia to join NATO when it wants to join them, then this war could never have happened.
Russia didn't want to join NATO, it is Russian propaganda
The Soviet Union wanted to join, but NATO said no, Russia on the other hand has made no such intention, rather it views joining NATO as joining an empire and would require Russia to lose it's sovereign.
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@@KingsandGeneralsIt's well documented that Putin twice asked to join NATO. He was told not to bother applying. The war was provoked by US lead NATO - that is clear as crystal. Do your own research.
@@pibroch BS. Putin wanted to join NATO, on the conditions that the rules to be a NATO member would not apply to Russia. Off course NATO said no to such unreasonable demand
The thing I find rich about people who mention the war in Donbas to defend Russia's full scale invasion is the fact that the Russian side itself is admittedly responsible for starting that war. Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former FSB agent and former commander of separatists, admitted in 2014 to being responsible for war in Eastern Ukraine, and how if his unit didn't cross the border and pull the trigger nothing would've happened in the Donbas.
Another thing that's also especially rich is how the Russia apologists who go on about how a genocide was happening (with no evidence btw) will then be so quick to dismiss any and all evidence of Russian war crimes which really goes to show you how ''skeptical'' these people are. They literally just believe whatever they want to and clearly aren't interested in the facts if it doesn't suit their authoritarian worldview.
It feels weird that we have to reiterate that claims like this are false, but I suppose that's a consequence of our post-truth world. I appreciate you all taking the time to provide the evidence and reasoning for why the Russian claims are lies.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
@@yorksfolly1255 You go make a video about Palestine and Israel. Why expect someone else to do it for you?
@@vayate1234k&g have influence, and influence is power, so there is an argument to be made there
He’s a TH-camr , no country on planet earth gives a shit about that war so why make a video nobody will watch , except you
@@lovebaltazar4610 He doesnt have common sense he just wants to make a jab at me while making himself look dumb becuase hes butthurt realizing theres no real difference of the situation between what russia is doing af what isreal does to palestine does. Imagine going to any other youtube channel where a subscriber asks a channel hes subscribed to to make a video about a topic well within their realm and fits their other vidoes and being told "why do you expect someone else to do it for you" what a fool XD
The russian representative at the UN was repeating the biolab idiocy, talking about "combat mosquitoes" being developed by those evil labs in Ukraine.
So whenever you think "but what do Russians say about this" remember that you're about to listen to people talking at the UN about combat mosquitoes.
Nuland talks before congress representatives about the same biolabs are also was an "idiocy"?
@@palar4195 The biolabs she talked about were to monitor infectious diseases in Ukraine. Besides, how exactly would this mythical bioweapon the Russians scream about be able tontell the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian?
@@p.strobus7569 so there was "mythical" biolabs in the end? And who in the hell told you differentiation is intended? I'll tell you more: research is conducted on ukies, there no difference between ukies and russians. Not forget it was not ukrainian but us installation after all.
Only "to monitor", you said? and aegis ashore in hungary and poland is for protection against north korean missiles.
obvious lies is so obvious.
@@palar4195 We all agree with bio-labs. There are organic laboratories all over the world and they are good.
Its so typical that I’m surprised we’re even giving it another glance. Its just another superpower looking for excuses to bully weaker countries. For Uncle Sam it was fictional WMDs. Now Russia is angry at fictional labs. If China invades Taiwan I’m almost certain you’ll hear something similar. Its almost amusing😂😂
PLEASE STOP PROMOTING MASTER- _SCAMS_
“There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.”
Sun Tzu The Art of War
He never heard of Afghanistan.
Enter USA
Enter USSR
Tell that to the USA Military Industrial Complex.
@@ianmyers6643
They are just fine if the US buys their stuff without using it.
I said it on the previous upload of this video, but I’ll say it again.
If your justification has to keep changing, maybe, just maybe, you aren’t justified in your war.
Forgive me but Im gonna play the Devil's advocate here.
Let's say that the argument of existential threat was serious, but not meant as an imminent threat from NATO, but as a threat to the Russian leadership, should its neighbours start thriving once they had broken loose from Moscow.
We have plenty of such examples from eastern Europe. If Ukriane, the crown jewl of the Soviet... Err Russia's friendly neighbours would be allowed to break loose too then that would entice the entirety of the Soviet sattelites to break with Russia. You see? The threat is from the INSIDE if Ukraine or other states prove to be better off without Moscow.
THIS is what Putler fears, hence the argument of existential threat may be real for them.
That is not to say it is a valid argument to attack and bestially start killing "your brother" neighbours, but referring to no imminent military threats is either a misunderstanding by KG's part or intentionally ignoring it. So lets talk about it.
@@184Kitkat This is a beautiful narrative about a prosperous Ukraine as a threat to authoritarian Russia. But I don't think it's true. Russian propaganda was able to convince the Russians that Ukraine is literally the successor state of Hitler's Germany, despite the fact that the country is ruled by a Jew and there are no nationalist parties in parliament for 9 years in a row. If Ukraine were successful, Russian propaganda would simply change reality for Russians.
@@184Kitkat The thing really under threat was Russia's sphere of influence, and to some extent, Russia's ability to keep Western influence outside of it. These are not trivial issues, but none of them is a cause for war.
Why didnt Kings and Generals make indepth videos about the unprovoked war in Iraq
Why don't you make one? Is our opinion invalid until we make a video on every war?
"This is not a Peace. It is an Armistice for twenty (20) years." -Foch (2:48)
So glad to have a point-by-point debunking of all of these claims. Thanks so much for making this.
I was so disappointed to learn through a Pravda article that I could have also worked towards my underwater demolitions and knife fighting patches when I was in the Boy Scouts. I guess those weren't available in my area.
Yeah I think those are in the Iowa and Nebraska branches 🤔
@@greenkoopa only in Ohio
@@Onezy05 no in Ohio they have the SCP/Backrooms badge
Lmao right maybe I would've stayed in Boy Scouts if that was actually the case. Instead you just got to tie knots, camp, build wood cars and get diddled by the Scout master.
@@BigMeechEJ25 The last one doesn't even gives you a badge.
I made a comment, but deleted it because K&G covered it at the end. First video breaking down the UN data by year. I'm impressed. I've been commenting the annual breakdown since the war began, and I'm glad it was finally covered by someone.
Lol nobody in Bulgaria considers russia an existential threat. Maybe some extremists but Russians don't and have never had a claim to Bulgaria.
Thanks a lot for the video, I'd love to see a series in the same spirit on other wars as well, RUS-Georgia, US-Afghanistan, US-Iraq, IDF-Palenstine and others
Look up popular videos list Kings and Generals have done at least 3videos of the Israel at the Arabs at Wars.
The invasion of Afghanistan isn’t even questionable, and we know about Iraq at least largely now
@@jamiemartin1434 thanks a lot!
@@zenith2068 I am not following the first part, thanks for the reply
For the IDF-Palestine genocidal occupation just see the ones about 1930-1945. Same crap, all about lebensraum for the chosen ones.
Thank you for a very comprehensive way to address Russian claims. I, as a Ukrainian who live abroad, am engaged in frequent conversations with westerners who sincerely believe in the outlined Russian arguments. I don't blame them since Russian media presence is monstrous compared to Ukrainian. However, it is sometimes hard for me to debunk Russian nonsense in an effective way. Thanks again! ❤
Westerners have zero education about history of the region Dima. As a Pole who also lives abroad I can confirm that. There are also certain far left and far right circles which lap these narratives. That is because these narratives fit into their world view, and are reinforced by their ties to Russia. Historical ties in the case of far left (communist movements) and modern ties in the case of far right, who are financed by Putin across Europe.
what's worse is that many westerners think they are on the smart side by believing russia, simply because it is contrarian and goes against the conventional wisdom. People thinks this makes them smart and better-informed than others, when it's obviously the opposite.
Fantastic guys. Congratulations
Kings and Generals, thank you for pinpointing those very important peculiarities and truly debunking Russian criminal lies and true crimes
Id love to see a video on the 2008 invasion of Georgia
@@mdstate829 that would be good to but I think Georgia would be better. I don't know much about that war as its often overlooked and I'd like to know more about the russains performance.
@@mdstate829 America did an imperialism
not much to talk about that isnt already known my friend
@bradleywoods7354 it was the same war as in Ukraine but finished sooner, by the enormous effort of the West and Georgian armed forces, that times Russia was much weaker than at the beginning of 2022 and I believe they couldn't afford a long war, also they still wanted to keep relations with the western world, which happen with help of Obama and restart politics :)
They "sold" Georgia in 2008 on economic development, oil, and gas by rejecting Georgia and Ukrainian in NATO and allowing the invasion to happen, but more horrific was to see restart politics and smiles on their faces, the winter Olympics in Russia and World Cup, man... what a disappointment... and then all pains come in all together in 2014 and much worst in 2022, just by realizing you lived all this and you know it could be stopped by Angela Merkel and Sarcozi in 2008.
@@JaBa23BatEverythingForYouwest not allowing everything to happen, you like a child :(
I'm watching this edited because TH-cam said version and commenting to support you
9:00 "Every state is free to choose its own allies"
Unless the alliance was called the Warsaw pact, Soviet Russia's tool to keep its occupied countries under its booth. The only military alliance that invaded itself
Not even just those within the Warsaw pact, Finland was never a part of it, but were threatened by the Soviets to remain neutral throughout the cold war.
Thinking back in history it was often not the case when the powers were unequal
@@tomlxyzit never was a case
why the cringy scamy partners?
Why the accurate profile name?
@@sloshed-rat Why Shneldon and not Sheldon
@@Zacharoni4085 Why, Zach, and not Zack?
@@sloshed-rat 😧
Excellent and level-headed review of Moscow's false narratives that led to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
How can you tell which side is telling the truth and which side is lying?
The liars can never keep their stories straight, and keep changing their justifications.
You can tell which side is telling the truth based on which one’s arguments have actual evidence behind them, it’s not hard
I mean its hard when the Russian government is inherently obsessed with Russifying everything in its path.
Russia is lying then.
simple: the truth is based on evidence. All claims made by Russia are based on 0 evidence. It's like if I'm saying "poutine is a reptilian". I don't have any proof; that's just an allegation; not the truth.
However we are sure of 1 thing: Russia invaded Ukraine. And that's a fact.
Easy, there is no justification for russia invading a country and targeting civilians. If they tell you there is they are lying.
I would say just one thing.
In Western Europe Ukrainians are known for not being the nicest of people or neighbors, having had a ruthless stance on minorities in their territories and political "friction" with their neighbors ( other than Russia ) in the past.
Do not get me wrong i do not support the war or the Russian side i am just putting forward some facts that people from other places around the world might not know.
Do you think that’s a problem throughout most of Europe? The stance on minorities I mean
@@jaimeperez8247 Ofcourse that situation is common in Central and Eastern Europe.
But there are levels to it. Some countries are bullies and others are carefull about it ( this is still wrong ) and others just do not give a shit.
Thank you for being honest, this video mad it seem as if Ukraine aren’t guilty of numerous things.
As if there isn’t videos of blacks being told they won’t be given safety and shelter in Ukraine and denying them basic rights. When the conflict kicked off and had to beg international media. They were letting dawgs and other pets have rights to safety first.
The only justification I can think of is that the territory of Ukraine makes up important strategic land, as most of it is flat and is quite mountainous to the west. Adding to that the sea to the south makes the lands of Ukraine fairly important to control in case of future conflicts with the west.
Of course there is no saying for sure there would be any such conflict, but I can somewhat understand the possible thought of Kremlin that it HAS to maintain it's strength and remove any weaknesses in case the West would become hostile and invade them. They are certainly aware of the history of countries like Korea, Japan, Iraq and may not want to be any kind of threat from the West even in the future.
You described there a "possible reason to", not justification
There is so many "it would be better for us but bad for them" in this world.. and nothing of the kind has ever done and never will make an action just
And.. Russia wasn't in any kind of danger before 2014.. and it was tiny before 2022.. and just small after 2022.. like.. for what? Resources? They are selling it all already
Even in this weakened state Russia is not under any war becides the one it begone.. actually, that "Russia vs NATO" narrative was pushed by Russia alone.. even became a best NATO salesman in Eastern Europe by trying threatening every country around it into submission.. some fled to NATO.. and now Russia is stated that NATO is surrounding them!) So they will attack "to defend"!)
Everyone in Eastern Europe know what is happening here.. it's not obvious only for the nations which have newer tasted a russian occupation
How many countries have tried to annex sovereign territories since Ww2? One. Russia.
How many countries would ever consider invading a nuclear power, or better said, the country which has enough nuclear missiles to remove all life from Earth?
Stop regurgitating Putin propaganda. Russia has zero worries about ever being invaded. It simply cannot tolerate to have functional democracies on its borders (such as Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova) because that threatens their oligarchic power structure, because that threatens Putin, because that may give people ideas such as, what if not Putin. That is it. That is the only reason Russia has been invading countries and annexing territories since the 80ies (Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Afghanistan).
you described why Russia might want the land, it's absolutely not a Justification !
Russia has the world’s largest stockphile of nuclear weapons, unless NATO makes some sort of anti-nuke device, what threat would the west pose to them? No one is dumb enough to start armageddon.
What America did it too argument are you talking about? When did America invade with the intention to permanently occupy another country? Unless you're going back in time SIGNIFICANTLY...
That's beyond the scope of the video. We don't care about supposed American aggression of other countries, the point is EVEN IF the US (or any other country) did do that, it won't excuse what Russia did, so the argument that "America did it too" holds no water independently of your beliefs on the matter, at least that's how I understand it.
Iraq and Afghanistan seems to disagree with your point there, after the us failed to win over the people, struggled to make a puppet state, they instead hunkered down hoping for time, time that would allow them to make successful puppet states, this crumpled once a different political movement took the white house, and led to the Afghan exit after 20 years of occupation.
I left Donbass in 2014, I am still in Ukraine, and no one ever tried to `genocide` me or someone else from donbass, if you wand to destroy ssome group of beople you must prevent them from the escaping controlled teritory
LOL
@@gergelypetho647 ?
I hope you and your brothers and sisters can exit this war alongside your Ukrainian neighbors for a brighter future.
@@samwill7259 tnx my brother is near Kiev with parents, they are fine. You and your family take care as well
@@kvazarklymenko4536 You're not wrong, Russia will never sniff Kyiv again any side of this century
In the same vein as their coverage of this conflict, I'd love to see K&G do an in-depth series on the Arab Spring and the Libyan, Syrian, and Yemeni civil wars, as well as the rise and fall of ISIS. There's soooo much detail to these conflicts, and they've really defined the last decade of world history. K&G would do a great job with them.
Aye, we have a few myths that needs clarifying concerning that period.
That would be awesome
I was surprised when I couldn't find this anymore. But then I realised that it was age restricted. Man youtube can be questionable sometimes. Nonetheless great video!
I like your pretty precise analysis 👍
You let me down kings and Generals
Who are you
I was a fan of youre history telling but now youre getting politically involved in a argumentation that is west news based. Plus why would some high intellectuals say the opposite things of the argument. Still you would know with knowledge about history that the winner always rights the history. Or in this present case the owners of spreading the information. The name is tobias bolhuis greatings, to anwer you're question fully.
@@tobshuisbolIt sounds like you’re mad that this channel is shilling for Russia.
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
But it's a great material for someone who wants to figure out what's going on in Ukraine (even if it's obvious)
I prefer the other version of the saying
“There’s no cure for stupid”
Anyone who thinks it was provoked cannot be told otherwise... I showed interest in the idea that it was provoked until it didn't add up... narratives are louder than the truth
Never saw these kind of videos for the invasion of iraq and the war crimes committed there. I guess the west is only awake when it fits their narrative.
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No narrative justifies the invasion of Ukraine.
I wish you guys now publish a Unprovoked War in Iraq, Cuba, Panama and so many more. It would be a great docuseries.
I like the attempt at minimizing the Ukrainian issue...
@@ooloongjohnson4015 how was I minimizing it? I'm just saying, a true docuseries of how western bullies, I mean allies, from NATO bomb other countries unprovoked is as wrong as Russia invading Ukraine. The world should stand against these tyrants.. even if they live in our homes.
@@tjwonderboy you said you want to focus on the bully that is NATO, yet all the conflicts you listed, did not involve NATO. Perhaps we do need this series, so you can learn about it
@@european-one lol, not in the name of NATO, but, it's the same group of friends, maybe just not wearing a mask. Silly ol'rabit
@@tjwonderboy so I guess the csto all invaded Ukraine, since it's the same group of friends. Someone should tell Armenia that they are responsible for this
If west helped Georgia in 2008 like they are helping Ukraine now, this war might have not happened at all.
Georgia would have already fallen before the West could respond
They didn't help Georgia because there wasn't any money laundering schemes or anything thing of personal interest to the western elites
or Moldova in 1990-1992
Germany complete sold off any logic for 70 years. They were so ashamed of the murdering of the soviet forces and civilians they let them pull their strings for way too long. There is hardly anyone from that generation left and its about time their guilt trip ends.
Germany and France were too busy sucking Russia off for that sweet sweet oil deal to care.
Russia attacked Ukraine👎
Usa attacked Libya, Syria, yeman ... 👍
Do you believe that two wrongs make a right?
People prospective
Airstrikes vs full blown invasion are not the same lmao
@@tankerbrosgaming6556 you think the America did not bomb the hell out of other countries and kill many people. Lied about weapons of mass destruction.
@@King-rx4qf the US didn't bomb Syria or Yemen. Saudi Arabia bombed,Yemen and your beloved Russia bombed Syria
The US has violated many countries territory and sovereignty but it has not attempted to wipe a country off the face of the earth. Russia is unique in this respect for the post WW2 order.
Are you delusional? They literally set up a government in Afghanistan they’ve done this multiple times. Don’t bring America into this… they’re even worse
I worked for DoD under the Nunn-Lugar program in the 1990s. Russia was intricately incorporated into the mission at that time. Everything was transparent.
I appreciate the impartiality of "Kings and Generals", yet it's evident that there's a certain Western bias visible in their representation of this war. I'm not denying Russian aggression or the occupation of Ukraine, but it's nonsensical to suggest it was unprovoked. Nonetheless, this portrayal does not encapsulate the full spectrum of the situation. For a more comprehensive perspective, I recommend the lecture by John Mearsheimer at the University of Chicago. If your concern truly revolves around human rights, then the same attention should be given to the Occupied Palestinian Territories by Israel.
- Mearsheimer completely ignores the position of France and Germany on blocking Ukraine's progress in NATO since 2008. In 2008, Ukraine was denied the Membership Action Plan.
- Mearsheimer completely ignores that since 2014 the admission of Ukraine to NATO is fundamentally impossible.
- Mearsheimer completely ignores that the invasion of Ukraine without its complete capture does not solve any goals for Russia that he assumes are valid, while claiming that Russia did not want complete control over Ukraine.
- Mearsheimer completely ignores Putin's rhetoric regarding Ukrainians as a nation and Ukraine as a country.
Exactly also I haven’t watch the video but did he talk about how the people of Crimea wants to be apart of Russia, and how, this all started back in 2014 and Ukraine government attacking donbass even cnn has a video on it
@@Bell_plejdo568p what happened first is unnamed armed men (now we know it was Girkin) took control of government buildings and overrun the police station in Slovyansk, in response to that Ukraine sent out an army, which is default course of action in response to armed people taking government buildings and killing officials that refused to cooperate, same thing with Crimea, armed men, russian soldiers, seized government buildings and encircled ukranian soldiers in their bases, it was never the will of people, separatist party where Aksenov was the head got barely 3% of votes to Crimean parliament before 2014, thats a good tell for legitimacy of his government
Some folks don't understand geopolitics or the tactics involved, and it's scary...remember folks, we are the ones who will fight in the wars, but our leaders will sit comfortably watching us do so.
We are pawns in a chess game
The word "geopolitics" is increasingly turning into an excuse to simplify for the ignorant
@@БогданБеркут I used it because that part of the world has a lot of history and cultural division over the last 100 years.
The art has become really good!
Thank you for making this video
I’ve been arguing with these Z clowns and debunking their nonsense ever since the war began and words can’t describe how immensely satisfying it is to see an entire video uploaded that is specifically dedicated to disproving every one of their falsehoods
True. But seeing burn irl is way more satisfying. Finally, all those shills celebrating the "unbeatable" Russian army get absolutely fucked lol
The thing is they either don’t have the open mind to at least hear it out or they know their arguments can’t be backed up with evidence but still insist of doubling down on the idea that two and two make ten. Too much like Putin in that respect
Why bother. Just report then.
dont waste ur time. they are stupid and no point trying to even reason with them. best to sit back and laugh at them
So Azov don't have wolfsangel as their symbol? So Ukrainean didn't jump and shout: "hand Russian on a tree" in 2014 maidan? So Ukrainean didn't burn alive 45 pro Russian activists in Odessa in same year? Western clowns have nothing to say about that. Only thing they can do is just to leave.
Who gives you the authority to call everything anyways? The whole mess in the middle east and covert warfare in half the world, ultimately responsible for millions of deaths, was unprovoked. Laying bases in, and bombing around the world: Unprovoked. Interfering with governments and clamping the right of people to decide their own future: Unprovoked. A lot of what happens around us is unprovoked. Now tell me ways to undo all that or just live with another unprovoked something.
You know what to do, but ask yourself why you won’t.
@@Nihil847 Please enlighten me further. What exactly is it?
@@lovefromthar8989 it’s pretty obvious, isn’t it? Either reform or revolution
anything from our side of the wall is pardoned
@@lovefromthar8989king and generals doesn't support the west so your just saying random war crimes that another terror state did even tho he's focused on the russian terror state
Great work guys!
8:57 this is exactly the point that most frustrates me about when anyone, Russian or western, tries to use NATO expansion as a reason this war is NATO's fault. Those countries CHOSE to join NATO, they wanted to join NATO and in every country the vote wasn't even close.
Russia talks about the right to protect their state, but what about the right of those Eastern European states to protect themselves? Those countries have a history of being oppressed by Russia, and this war has just proven to them that they needed to join NATO for this with own safety.
100 % true, definitely!
Yes their LEADERS signed them on. No referendum. They might regret it when they are dragged into a conflict they didn't need to be in and sending their sons and daughters to their deaths.
@@thinkinghmmmm No country is truly democratic especially not in the modern era. No vote for the support for Ukraine in the UK USA or any other country they were just sent , no vote for the war with Iraq Iran and Afghanistan but they still happened. True democracy has never been achieved just like true communism there just not practical ways of running a country.
@@thinkinghmmmmsource?
@@giorgijioshvili9713 "Dude trust me"
Spectacular content as always. Shame youtube demonetized this video the first time.
TH-cam is the enemy of youtubers - what a world we live in
@@richardthomas598 lol
@@richardthomas598 especially new titter under rule of infantile Elona
@@richardthomas598 I agree on Twitter, but give a little (very little) bit of a benefit of a doubt to Meta.
I love western culture and don't care one bit about Russia, but i have to be honest on this matter. If you love the history and know a little bit about politics after the ww2, you know that USA government has been meddling in other countries inner politics for decades. No other country bombarded and invaded more than America has done after World War 2. They destabilized and economically ravaged so many countries around the world. What Russia is doing is wrong, but it's nothing that USA hasn't done before.
So in that case it would be fair to criticize American imperialism too.
Of course! All forms of imperialism must be criticized.
It's just that there is obvious selective bias towards one or the other on both sides of the spectrum.
Thank you so much for continuing to shed light on this issue. Continued prayer for the whole situation.
what war in iraq and Afgnistan syria n rest of the world that was done by usa and its allies???
Great summary! Well done guys
I wish Turkey had the same attention Russia has for her own invasions, but she's a NATO member...
Do you mean in Syria or Greece?
@@Bee232-e4x Cyprus, Syria, Greece, Libya, assistance to Azeris in Nagorno-Karabakh
DURRR whatabout nato
@@chideraalexanderdex547 Cyprus and Syria, for starters
@@Stonedgod710 Exactly, the double standards of the West are the most powerful tool of Russian propaganda
Sad that TH-cam didn’t like the irl footage of these events, but people need to see those videos to understand what really happened
It's because they don't condone gory stuff
Well made and very informative
Thank you for re-iterating these! Well made video as always. It is sad that there is a need to debunk these myths, but I guess that's the world we live in :(
Some call this new world a "Post truth world".. There were always all kinds of people believing in or standing for all kinds of false, hurtful, wrong and criminal ideas but let's call it like it is.. The person who normalized these fringe views and encouraged people to trust their feelings more than facts, is none other than Fat Donnie; Orange Buffoon himself. Prior to him these people talked among themselves in the deepest corners of the internet. It was Donald who brought them out to the sun and told them that scientists are corrupt and not to be trusted as well as all media (except the talking heads that were licking his ass). Trump made fools being proud of being fools and thinking that their opinion formed after half an hour of Google "research" , is just as valid and holds the same weight as an opinion of some PhD dude who spent a better part of his/her adult life researching that same topic while contributing new and scientifically proved data to the matter...
The most sad part is that You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
But it's a great material for someone who wants to figure out what's going on in Ukraine (even if it's obvious)
Well people still believe about good wehrmacht myth despite its being debunked many time
I can't seem to find where you cite your sources, except for some in the video. Please write it down, the information that you are spreading is about solemn events.
As a Pole, I want to thank you for explaining this “american promise that nato won’t expand eastward”. I’m really tired of putinists from all over the world telling us on the internet that the war in Ukraine is justified by this promise and we are guilty as well. It is as if they think that it is okay when somebody decides for us whether we want to be in American sphere or russian one. We, Central Europeans are people like all of you and WE have decided that we want to join NATO and EU, not any other person, no matter if this person is the leader of USA or russia or China.
Glory to Ukraine, soon you will join us in NATO and EU brothers ❤
Thanks. I'm from the US and I don't believe for a second that y'all are under any compulsion to be our allies, and I like to think we're generally fair with things like trade. Candidly, I was worried before this all kicked off that Eastern Europe was still struggling to throw off the old USSR, but I think that was all Russia. Shoot for the moon, guys. Meet you there?
The irony of the claim that the war is about curbing NATO expansionism is that the war itself drove nations like Sweden and Finland, who had long preferred to not be associated with NATO, to sign up. Had the war not escalated in 2022, it is unlikely that either would have chosen to join NATO.
Poland is an Eastern European country. What does China have to do with any of this? Why’d you even bring it up? China is literally over 4,000 miles away from Europe. Ffs
Czy ty wierzysz w to że ukraina dołączy do UE i NATO ? gdyby tak miało być to już dawno by dołączyła.
@@fernr9496 might have something to do with the part where China is sizing us up and probably wants a go soon
Iraq war was also unprovoked
And? WW2 was provoked? WWI ? War in Afghanistan?
And most Americans AGREE WITH YOU
That does not make Russia doing it correct just because we also fucked up!
Yes it was. Sorry, what's this got to do with Ukraine?
Love you guys! ❤
❤❤❤ thank you for this entire video
Brilliant, please keep up with the good work
Who is the main enemy of NATO?
People who have commen senses, and don't want to be a slave
I am truly grateful for the time and effort you have invested in crafting such an insightful and thorough review of the topic. The meticulousness with which you approached each facet truly stands out and provided me with a comprehensive understanding of the subject.
Your ability to distill complex concepts into accessible, digestible content is commendable, and it's clear that your depth of knowledge is significant. Your passion for the topic radiates through your writing, and that enthusiasm is infectious.
Great video!
Thank you for your work!
Despite innumerable comments on the internet the US and allies did not break ANY UN rules when it invaded Iraq in 2003. In fact it can be said any country that didn't invade Iraq was going against multiple official UN resolutions. I'll explain.
When the Gulf War (first Iraq war) ended it ended with an official UN resolution number 687 (look it up). In that resolution it called for all nations that signed it to invade and remove Saddam Hussain from power over Iraq if he violated any of the terms of that agreement such as not allow UN weapons inspectors to visit any location they wanted to, at any point, for any reason.
By any standards Saddam broke that resolution multiple times in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion and he was given many chances to comply and avoid an invasion. He didn't comply because according to Saddam after the war when he was on trial he thought he did have WMD construction facilities himself because that is what his officers told him (because they didn't want Saddam to execute them). That UN resolution is why the UN never had to vote on if the US and allies should be allowed to invade Iraq in 2003 because legally by UN law the invasion should have already happened years earlier. This is also why the US didn't have to use their veto to prevent any resolution from the UN security council against the planned invasion of Iraq in 2003.
I'm not making the argument that the invasion of Iraq was the correct decision. In hindsight it was not. But legally speaking the invasion was 100% legal.
Lastly, the thing that people now always forget about when talking about the 2003 Iraq war is the US did in fact find WMDs in Iraq. So many people say the US never found them when in fact it did. This was reported on during the Obama administration by all major news media in 2014. The US at first did not wish to admit that it had found chemical weapons in Iraq because the designs of all of those weapons were from the US. The CIA had provided the designs to Iraq during it's war with Iran. Many US service members and Iraqi workers for the US were injured by the thousands of chemical weapons that were found in Iraq while cleaning them up. Again if you don't believe this it is a simple google search to find out this is in fact correct that the US did find WMDs in Iraq during the 2003 invasion. Search for the article "The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons" on the New York Times or "U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report" on Yahoo (there are many other articles those are just 2 examples).
Agreed, I've had to say similar things to idiots on the internet who have no idea how the UN works or what happened in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
I think the difficulty here is the US would rather admit they found nothing, especially since most of it was in its stages of infancy… than admit they were guilty of creating the enemy, like literally building Al-Qaeda to fight the soviets. I hate the neo-cons and what they did to damage the US, the UK, and the EU. My country, America, has a lot to atone for, and obviously none of this stuff in the Middle East or South America has been simple…. But for once, the US being on Ukraine’s side to aid them in their self-determination and destruction of Russian styled corruption is a good thing. Most of the world would agree that helping Ukraine, help themselves, is the goth thing to do; regardless of past US/UK/EU actions. Even Japan and a Korea are arming in support of knowing that the US will not own them, invade them, or control them, but to do our part in protecting them.
And cited sources too. You sir have earned an Internet cookie.
Iraq was an an illegal and unproved war but no ones going round calling it the 'Illegal/Unproved Invasion of Iraq' like K&G does with Ukraine.
> By any standards Saddam broke that resolution multiple times in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion and he was given many chances to comply and avoid an invasion.
Oh look support for an illegal and unproved invasion of another country on filmys reasons. How could Saddam comply to turning over Nuclear WMDs that he did not have?
Why does this reasoning not apply to Ukraine? if they didnt want to get invaded just do what Russsia says and give up the land?
> Lastly, the thing that people now always forget about when talking about the 2003 Iraq war is the US did in fact find WMDs in Iraq.
Not the ones they said they were after but then you must admit Putin really did find Nazi's in Ukraine in for the form of Neo Nazi's then.
They didn't find any active WMDs. Just shells of old ones.
Very well done guys!😊
Russia has successfully achieved NATO expansion. Bravo Mr P! 😂
Either way, my only wish is for it to END.
That's easy. Russia has to withdraw and it's over.
If they don't, we give Ukraine all the weapons they need to force Russia out.
Boom, over.
Ask america and nato to stop investing in this war.
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I'd rather ask for Russia to withdraw its band of rapists...
@@tobshuisbolask russia to stop trying to illegally invade ukrainel
For anyone who says this channel does not do anything about Israel six day war , First Arab - Israeli War
,and Yom Kippur war have all been done on this channel the 6-day war is number three in popular videos list but that's what I expect for people who complain about the conflict especially when it's irrelevant besides people use it defective tactics to make people focus on that instead of what needs to be focused on at the moment.
If only you did vidoes like this about palestine and Israeli aggression as well. Every single thing you pointed out about and agaisnt Russia applies to isreal. I wish for the day you make a video about that! But I doubt it
Be realistic. The native population of Arabs and Muslims defending themselves from a colonial power isn’t defensive and justified on their end at all?? Cut the shit.
And they are talking about the reasons isreal gives for attacking Palestinians and propaganda agaisnt Palestinians being debunked in a video. They arnt complaining about the war being talked about itself you fool. Same as this video it’s not about the war exactly but the justifications by Russia being debunked despite them having other vidoes actually directly about the war and tactics there’s a difference use your brain if you have it
@@yorksfolly1255 bruh... you're a bot spamming the same comment over and over again. cut the shit
@@yorksfolly1255 Okay first off I'm not Kings of generals. I don't recall Ukraine saying we're going to wipe out every Russian because of a genocide that was just committed against them and force the entire country into on the day it was formed. Or break It multiple treaties time and time again and acting offended when the other side doesn't fall through with their side after you already broke it or kick it out every Russian person on the grounds of you no longer have citizenship for our new country that you've been living in since before this country or Ukraine committed International attacks against rusted background civilians Over The Grove.And remind me how many ukraines allies have not recognize lessons right to exist especially before this war even happened?
We call the war unprovoked because it was Putin's choice. Of course we assume that he is an adult in possession of free will.
Well I think it's not provocation from Ukraine that caused Russian invasion, but the possibility of NATO military base (in Crimea). Same thing happened with Gerogia.
None of us will now the reals reason until the ruSSia has crumbled down and we get access to the archives what are left in the smoking ruins...
Any evidence of a "possible" NATO base in Crimea or in Georgia? I won't hold my breath...
Another great video. You guys never fail to impress with your knowledge.
Before 2014, NATO countries were selling military hardware to NATO. France had a deal for four Mistral helicopter carriers. Including building 2 in Russia to transfer technology for naval military construction. Totally the act of countries that intend to go to war with you *rolls eyes*
PS. Even after 2014 NATO members were still selling military equipment to Russia. Nothing as big as navy ships due to Crimea sanctions. But small arms and equipment, plus components for larger weapons, worth billions still making its way from NATO to Russia.
I don’t follow. What are you trying to say?
@@br0k3nman i think he was trying to tell "you don't sell weapons and technology to a possible future enemy..."
When you tell people to leave or stay away. They should listen.
Great video! Good job👍
Love the effort and narrative of this video, but didn't convince me that the war is unprovoked. Either way war should be stop.
It can stop when Putin leaves
one thing well said was "violations committed by other countries cant be used as justification"....So we know that other countries did commit violations (something that even a blind person can see), yet there was never focus, action, punishment towards them (USA)....Russia is the big bad....and I am bloody tired of it. I am not defending them, and I agree that what they are doing is wrong, but if you want justice against them, put them in line, right after you do justice against USA and other NATO countries...how about that for a change???? I loved your "Historical videos" but enough with the bloody western hypocrisy...
And i m tired of calling out western war crimes. Yeah yeah we know nobody got a white vest
Thank you very much for covering this important topic in details - specifically for English-speaking auditory.
Jim Baker, who had no authority as to who would join NATO, casually mentioned, verbally, that NATO would not expand, one time. That's it. No formal treaty. It was during the fall of the Berlin Wall, and everyone was freaking out. (10:40)
Great video as always
This chanel explained what media couldnt for more than a year ❤
Rhe mainstream media wouldn't explain clearly. They could have.
Thanks so much for this!! Once again, an amazing video.