Unlocking the Hidden Power of Sound in Castlevania 3 on my Famiclone

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  • @chirinea
    @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you're interested in NES audio, you should definitelly check out this video next: th-cam.com/video/exGOdwwOpqk/w-d-xo.html

  • @farmingsim9813
    @farmingsim9813 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Cool to see an audio mod like this, I remember hearing years ago that the Famicom release of Castlevania 3 had special audio but didn't realize how much better it actually was.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's sad that it happened for both the NES and the Master System in western countries. The Japanese Master System has an FM chip that makes the sound so much better than the regular PSG chip.

  • @bertramusb8162
    @bertramusb8162 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another great video. The visual reference for the resistor placement while talking about the testing results was very well done.

  • @acavernagames
    @acavernagames ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cara, não sei como vc encontra tempo pra fazer vídeos assim tão detalhados mas eu te admiro, mano! Vc vai fundo na bagaça!! Haha

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahaha, quem tem bebê em casa já não dorme mesmo, então a gente dá um jeito. Valeuzão, mano!

  • @dev639
    @dev639 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome mod! I had a Dynavision Xtreme that I wanted to mod to add the extra channels, however it's been long sold. I made my Akumajou Densetsu using a Madara cartridge, some ancient ceramic eproms from AMD and ended up burning the translated version of the rom. So in my belief I got the best of all worlds by having the Japanese version (where Grant throws the daggers) and texts in english. My current Famicom does have the right balance on all audio channels, however I once had another one that didn't, it was an older revision with less decoupling around the circuits, expansion audio channels would come a bit lower on that one. I could have fixed that by changing some resistor values but I was too lazy.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's awesome! I have a Dynavision Radical here that I wanted to mod too, but I don't have a 72 to 60 pin adapter, so I cannot use my flashdrive with it. One extra thing I've been thinking about doing to this Top Game is to use an external AC adapter, I think the internal one makes the audio noise floor too high.

    • @dev639
      @dev639 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chirinea Add some more capacitors in the different levels of voltage conversions, add values present on official power supplies that are not present on the Top Game's internal 220V transformer. Look around the 7805 and do the same, maybe you could reproduce what's present on the Sharp Twin as it has the best quality audio and video in my opinion. Different values on decoupling capacitors will filter out different frequencies of noise. You will find both the Sharp Twin and NES Top Loader schematics easy. Either one of them will probably be great examples of which values of decoupling capacitors to use.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dev639 thanks for the tip!

    • @dev639
      @dev639 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chirinea You're more than welcome. I appreciate how you share your knowledge and experiences through your content. If you ever improve the power filtering on your Top Game that would be a interesting topic for a new video. Just a suggestion.

  • @AlexanderMazucco
    @AlexanderMazucco ปีที่แล้ว

    Simply amazing man, congrats!!!

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching!

  • @franckpanzer
    @franckpanzer ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excelente!!! Ficou muito bom, vc vai ser culpado por muitas importações desses clones nacionais kkkk

  • @RodrigoMaiaBR
    @RodrigoMaiaBR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seus vídeos, além de instrutivos, são leves e divertidos!!!!!

  • @Carbine64
    @Carbine64 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful video, I hope to see more from you! Maybe sometime you can discuss the grey market for consoles like the Brazilian Mega Drive clones?

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว

      There was only one Brazilian Mega Drive clone, and it would be awesome to talk about it, but it would be nice to really have it on my hands to do so, and unfortunately it is expensive nowadays. But that certainly is an interesting topic!

    • @Carbine64
      @Carbine64 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chirinea oh yeah, I suppose the Mega Drive was officially distributed in Brazil. I'd still love to know about the Mega Drive market in Brazil, like bootlegs and (as I've heard) exclusive games!

  • @marcondes8707
    @marcondes8707 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    excelente vídeo.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Muito obrigado! Eu cheguei a ver o vídeo do teu mod antes de fazer o meu, o som do teu Phantom System ficou excelente!

    • @marcondes8707
      @marcondes8707 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chirinea Estou fazendo agora num dynavision 3 modelo NOAC (UM6561F-3), também é possível, só preciso descobrir o valor do resistor, já consegui fazer sair o som com o everdrive n8 plus.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marcondes8707 eu tô com um Dynavision Radical aqui, é outro NOAC, queria fazer mas tô sem adaptador pra 60 pinos pra colocar o Everdrive nele

    • @marcondes8707
      @marcondes8707 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​​@@chirinea dos dynavision, o último que teve cpu e ppu separados foi o dynavision 3, todos aqueles que não tinham o botão de toque de volume e alguns poucos dos que tinham essa opção (provavelmente). Este meu já é do NOAC, que usa um chip semelhante ao Dendy russo. Se do seu for aquele chip verde, ele é a mesma coisa praticamente. Considero ele bom, o som é mais fiel ao Nes na minha opinião, imagem limpa tb.

    • @marcondes8707
      @marcondes8707 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@chirinea dependendo o caso, tu vai precisar modificar o adaptador e embaixo do slot de cartucho. O esquemático do UM6561 que deve ser o mesmo do seu tem na internet só tome cuidado com as posições, já vi diagrama errado dele. Melhor pegar do nesdev. Dai vc coloca um fio da posição do slot cartucho direto até a posição de som na placa e pode usar as funções da N8 para aumentar o volume.

  • @marcostuliorp
    @marcostuliorp ปีที่แล้ว

    video perfeito. saudade do meu Geniecon kkkk

  • @JohnnyQuaykersBelmont
    @JohnnyQuaykersBelmont 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Neat video!

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

  • @pedrobrunel
    @pedrobrunel ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice!

  • @christianbenardis506
    @christianbenardis506 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seus vídeos me fazem querer revisitar os jogos de minha infância/adolescência. Não sei se isso é bom ou ruim. 😂

  • @douglasalmeida6878
    @douglasalmeida6878 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Que vídeo perfeito! Vc sabe se tem um clone atual que usa o mesmo duty cycle do nes original? Só conheço o Zoga top loader mas esse não se acha mais pra vender no Aliexpress.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Muito obrigado! Cara, eu tô por fora desses clones mais modernos, mas eu tenho a impressão que hoje em dia é tudo FPGA e a galera deve implementar os ciclos direitinho.

  • @victormattina
    @victormattina 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome! How would you go about making a circuit to amplify that audio signal instead of messing with the everdrive configurations? I have a similar console myself (VG9000 revision with a slightly different board) and would love to get that going with NES games. Cheers!

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I guess it depends if you want to play it with the original Famicom game or with the Everdrive. The original games use pins 45 and 46 to mix the expanded audio to the rest of the sound, and at least my revision of the VG-9000 has those pins connected together. So I guess first you would have to split them for the sound to be mixed properly. If you're using the Everdrive, I guess you could just add a simple one-transistor amplifier off-board instead of the jumper.

  • @martins.chosen
    @martins.chosen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Eu fiz esse mod no meu Turbo Game, seguindo o tutorial do canal do Cláudio, do retrogame dicas. Funcionou beleza, porém tive q ligar o pino do slot diretamente no pino 1 da cpu, sem usar resistor, igual vc fez no seu Top Game. No Akumajou Densetsu, achei q o som ficou bem balanceado, mas no Gimmick, achei q o áudio expandido poderia ser um pouquinho mais alto. Infelizmente meu everdrive não tem esses controles separados de volume dos canais, então mesmo rodando o Gimmick num Famicom AV, o som do áudio expandido ficou um pouco mais baixo q o esperado. Queria fazer esse mod tbm no meu Dynavision 3, mas fiquei com medo de simplesmente seguir os mesmos passos desse mod do Turbo Game e dar algum problema.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Que eu saiba o Dynavision 3 usa um UM6516, é um NOAC (NES on a chip), então imagino que a pinagem seja diferente, mas é seguro testar ligar o pino 54 do slot na saída de áudio como eu mostrei no vídeo, usa um potenciômetro de 100 K pra achar a resistência certa. De todo modo não deve ser difícil identificar as duas saídas da APU no 6516.

    • @martins.chosen
      @martins.chosen ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chirinea Então, na verdade foram lançadas 3 variações de placas do Dynavision 3 e senão me engano, somente as últimas versões do console, onde ele já vinha sem o botão de volume no painel e sem os controles de manche, usava um chip NOAC. O meu é das primeiras versões, então ele tem a CPU e a PPU separadas, assim como no Turbo Game, Top Game, Phantom e por aí vai. Por isso, acredito q talvez o mod deva ser o mesmo pra ele. Qualquer dia desses eu crio coragem e testo, ou faço como vc falou, ligando o pino do slot direto na saída de som, só pra testar. Valeu pela resposta! 👍

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@martins.chosen ah, se esses primeiros forem como o Dynavision 2, são os mesmos chips do Phantom e dos da CCE, mesmo, o que muda é talvez o circuito de amplificação (no Phantom tem que cortar uma trilha). Boa sorte lá, se fizer mesmo volta aqui pra contar!

  • @BeadsArtBrasil
    @BeadsArtBrasil 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Você conhece o trabalho Unchosen Paths com as musicas dos Castlevania's refeitas na Guitarra? Vale a pena dar uma procurada.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Não conheço, obrigado pela dica!

    • @BeadsArtBrasil
      @BeadsArtBrasil 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chirinea Depois fala o que achou. Se não encontrar, passo o link. Já me inscrevi no seu canal.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Muito obrigado pela inscrição!
      Achei aqui. Bacana mesmo! Tem um disco lançado pela própria Konami em 94 chamado Dracula Battle Perfect Selection q é uma coletânea de trilhas dos jogos lançados até então com arranjos com instrumentos reais. Eu ouvi aquilo até furar, é excelente.

  • @TheNintendochannel64
    @TheNintendochannel64 ปีที่แล้ว

    As for the american version of CV3 having glitches, I think it's a problem with your clone system, as i tested it with the same Flashcart you have on an original NES and worked with no issues.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, afterwards I tested it with another clone I have and it worked fine.

  • @Darkwolf-89
    @Darkwolf-89 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    interessante... eu queria fazer um mod desse e de stereo no meu magic computer, o arder pc 95, mas nao sei se tem como...

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Eu acho que esse clone da Asder usa CPU da UMC, então não deve ser diferente dos outros clones nacionais pra fazer o mod. Como não tenho um, não tenho como olhar a placa pra dizer com certeza.

  • @canalauxiliar9002
    @canalauxiliar9002 ปีที่แล้ว

    Show

  • @OMundodosRetroGames
    @OMundodosRetroGames ปีที่แล้ว

    O problema é seu console. Eu tenho um Top Game VG-9000 e o mesmo modelo de Everdrive que você, e roda Castlevania 3 (e Akumajou Densetsu) perfeitamente (com mod de expansão de áudio, claro)

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว

      Sim, no meu Phantom System funcionou. A CCE lançou mais de uma revisão de Top Game também, a minha é das mais antigas, isso deve ser a causa do bug.

    • @OMundodosRetroGames
      @OMundodosRetroGames ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chirinea deixa quieto, confundi tudo aqui. Eu não tinha testado Castlevania 3, o Everdrive pirata que não roda MMC5 :)

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OMundodosRetroGames era o que eu achava até ter testado no Phantom System! Nele funcionou direitinho.

    • @OMundodosRetroGames
      @OMundodosRetroGames ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chirinea ué, com outro modelo de Everdrive funcionou certinho o MMC5 no meu Top Game '-'

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OMundodosRetroGames teu Top Game tem o reset preto ou azul?

  • @ButcherGrindslam
    @ButcherGrindslam 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bralilian clone? That's terrible. Chinese Subor SB-225 works great with VRC6 and MMC5 roms. That's not Everdrive's fault.

    • @chirinea
      @chirinea  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, the same everdrive worked in my other Brazilian clone. But I'm glad it didn't, as I ended up doing the audio mod (which I will also do in the other clone that works with MMC5 ROMS).

  • @caveiracibernetica
    @caveiracibernetica ปีที่แล้ว