Tony's classes are always interesting, and he often gives things a spin you wouldnt normally see. We are so lucky to have so many great instructors here in NZ
Yes, ive heard it called that too, however for me the nature fo 'irimi" is literal "to enter THROUGH the body" and in this the case the movement stops with contact to the chin so I err towards the traditional shomentate better I think.
I’ve used the shomonate with irimi to make them stumble backwards. I did this in a ships engine room and forced them run into other equipment. I’m short and I didn’t want to still be on the inside after the recovered.
Yes it probably is the most reliable self defence technique, if not the only one in Aikido. Every Aikido move I've come across done on me seems to be disenabled, shut down and countered by simply bending the arm thereby stopping the immobilisation or twisting joint lock that it seems to be obsessively focused on in 90 per cent of the techniques the art embodies...
Sounds like you havent sparred with someone that knows what their doing lol. Seriously though you make a good point so many. Modern aikido clubs actively avoid testing the functionality of what they do
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE My first instructor spoiled me in some ways, in that she didn't mess around. I tried a couple of other clubs, but they weren't very positive. The last club I tried, the instructor was horrified at my use of the above technique. It disturbs me what some people teach as Aikido which, as a 5ft4 woman, should be effective when needed. Yes, It might look pretty on the mat, but it really isn't a dance.
@@LG-cz6ls I couldnt agree more. If a waza or a style for that matter is merely meant to train a principle, fine, but if it's professing to be practical then it should embrace that function wholeheartedly.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE Interesting point. I first started training because I was a Very, Very Angry teen. I wanted control, and something effective but not like the "Raaa!" way of responding to aggression that could easily have seen me end up in prison, given time. Part of the reason that it worked for me on that front is that I became more acutely aware of the harm I could do and better at handling situations _before_ they kicked off. Quietly walking away,. Doing what someone doesn't expect. Even, shock, horror...being nice... It might sound strange, but Aikido gave me the confidence to not be violent. Which may, or may not be the reason I expect it to be taught with positivity. Just thinking/typing out loud
I love these seminars - you start a class learning one thing then someone casually mentions "SHUHARI" and I'm off down a rbaiit hole again lol. could you do a video going into more detail about that concept please sensei?
Shomenate is usually used to describe a technique where the response is to go directly through the centreline, with an extended arm, heel of the hand usually under the chin. taking the balance up and often through and down. I always tell the story about how this is my "favourite" technique and then how in my last street fight I underestimated how tall my opponent was and he stepped back out of it LOL
Checking my understanding. Uke is attacking with a shomen uchi ( 正面打ち), using a forward and downward angle of attack, and tori's response is a shomen ate ( 正面当て), which is a palmheel under the chin. The angling of the upwards strike combined with a persistence of presence is what disrupts the attacker's skeletal structure.
Another thing; My original instructor didn't specifically teach atemi, so much as teach us to think about atemi, where, when, how. Sometimes sticking an elbow out, or raising a fist as the uke ran on to it. Hints to make us think rather than saying "kick him in the nadgers!" (which is what most men expect), "go for the nose!", "stamp on his toes!". Using a strike that fitted naturally with the technique, or doing something completely off the wall. Movement=Aikido.
definitely a go to for me
Big shout out to Tony for another great session
Class. Good upload guys
Tony's classes are always interesting, and he often gives things a spin you wouldnt normally see. We are so lucky to have so many great instructors here in NZ
I've also heard this refered to as a straight arm irimi. But it is definitely an prime move I teach in self-defense courses.
Yes, ive heard it called that too, however for me the nature fo 'irimi" is literal "to enter THROUGH the body" and in this the case the movement stops with contact to the chin so I err towards the traditional shomentate better I think.
I’ve used the shomonate with irimi to make them stumble backwards. I did this in a ships engine room and forced them run into other equipment. I’m short and I didn’t want to still be on the inside after the recovered.
yep, that happens if the opponent is a head or so taller. happened to me!@@turbopowergt
Yes it probably is the most reliable self defence technique, if not the only one in Aikido. Every Aikido move I've come across done on me seems to be disenabled, shut down and countered by simply bending the arm thereby stopping the immobilisation or twisting joint lock that it seems to be obsessively focused on in 90 per cent of the techniques the art embodies...
Sounds like you havent sparred with someone that knows what their doing lol. Seriously though you make a good point so many. Modern aikido clubs actively avoid testing the functionality of what they do
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE My first instructor spoiled me in some ways, in that she didn't mess around. I tried a couple of other clubs, but they weren't very positive.
The last club I tried, the instructor was horrified at my use of the above technique.
It disturbs me what some people teach as Aikido which, as a 5ft4 woman, should be effective when needed.
Yes, It might look pretty on the mat, but it really isn't a dance.
@@LG-cz6ls I couldnt agree more. If a waza or a style for that matter is merely meant to train a principle, fine, but if it's professing to be practical then it should embrace that function wholeheartedly.
@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE Interesting point. I first started training because I was a Very, Very Angry teen. I wanted control, and something effective but not like the "Raaa!" way of responding to aggression that could easily have seen me end up in prison, given time.
Part of the reason that it worked for me on that front is that I became more acutely aware of the harm I could do and better at handling situations _before_ they kicked off.
Quietly walking away,. Doing what someone doesn't expect. Even, shock, horror...being nice...
It might sound strange, but Aikido gave me the confidence to not be violent.
Which may, or may not be the reason I expect it to be taught with positivity.
Just thinking/typing out loud
Nicely explained
Not just an Aikido fundamental but one that is key to all true martial arts, centre line and timing are core defensive principles
absolutely
I love these seminars - you start a class learning one thing then someone casually mentions "SHUHARI" and I'm off down a rbaiit hole again lol. could you do a video going into more detail about that concept please sensei?
My old instructor always used to refer this technique as "straight to the point" lol
Please forgive my ignorance of aikido terminology, is shomenate being used here in reference to uke's attack or tori's counter?
Shomenate is usually used to describe a technique where the response is to go directly through the centreline, with an extended arm, heel of the hand usually under the chin. taking the balance up and often through and down. I always tell the story about how this is my "favourite" technique and then how in my last street fight I underestimated how tall my opponent was and he stepped back out of it LOL
Checking my understanding. Uke is attacking with a shomen uchi ( 正面打ち), using a forward and downward angle of attack, and tori's response is a shomen ate ( 正面当て), which is a palmheel under the chin. The angling of the upwards strike combined with a persistence of presence is what disrupts the attacker's skeletal structure.
Another thing;
My original instructor didn't specifically teach atemi, so much as teach us to think about atemi, where, when, how. Sometimes sticking an elbow out, or raising a fist as the uke ran on to it.
Hints to make us think rather than saying "kick him in the nadgers!" (which is what most men expect), "go for the nose!", "stamp on his toes!".
Using a strike that fitted naturally with the technique, or doing something completely off the wall. Movement=Aikido.
Good instructors are rare. Sounds like you were very lucky.
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