the conclusion of Adv Mgomezulu showed that despite taking out brigadier Joyce Buthelezi she made proper investigation, Magola never went on the crime scene, she never interviewed the meyiwa family, she never studied the two police officers who were the first people to visit the site, she does not know the difference of two guns
I don't understand Ratha mybe it shows that he started working under apartheid and it is difficult for him to see himself as an African, look at him trying to make fool about a traditional healer .I wonder how many innocent people were hanged because of him in apartheid era.
After being taken to kzn with protection he needed wabuyi ezishayela. Nothing. The 5 accused were arrested because he saw them and they told him they killed Senzo.
I think the state is doing something bad but honestly in this part, Sifiso starts his statement by saying someone told him this and that... He will go on to say Khoza told him that and that, the statement itself is still hearsay because Meyiwa hasn't come to give testimony himself, and that statement which is hearsay itself contains hearsay. That's why double hearsay.
the judge is very agitated with the defence cross exam hyboooo when the state took alot of time he kept quite and young baloyi swimmed from this corner to the other
That's why we keep hearing about the accused vs police men that weren't even at the crime scene. The case deviated from what happened to senzo in that house. We were supposed to hear from the victims first before we even get to the perpetrators. Baloyi keeps deviating from that house and that day. It's 2014 doesn't exist, only 2020
@@siphoselemela, it's unfortunate that these people don't realize that Mngomezulu wasted the court time. He's listening too in what is gossips in social media. I feel sorry for Dr Khoza and Chicco Twala as their businesses might be affected by these rumors.
This today's witness, hand picked and promoted to be Sergeant Mogane, allegedly she's been in police force for the past 18, but alleged she don't know or differentiate between 9mm firearm and revolver. This two firearms makes are very uniquely differential, as for any south african police officers the training as it's part of course surely different firearms are at stake, so for 18 years experience police officer to say she's unable to different between the make of revolver and 9mm firearm. I'm surprised why Judge didn't comment or seek clarity
Funny enough we had to listen to zungu with his hear say protected by ratha and baloyi by saying the lawyers can’t ask zungu questions that can in criminate zungu.....and we were made to listen to mkhulu but because he gambled he could not continue to day ratha don’t want the witch dr now awu (on zungu he never said hear say )
The Gininda team did not even went to Senzo's family to take their statement,they never went to the crime scene,they never read the statement of the police that attended the crime scene on the day Senzo was shot,they never spoke to the officers that were investigating the case before them. All they did they speak to Zungu and arrested the 5 guys😢
The state btought in a sangoma as a witness. The was no problem on that one.Now defence want to bring in a prothet that cleanse Kelly MaKhumalo and Longwe The judge now have a problem with that.Shoo Ratha and Baloyi everything is now clear.The case had been cooked and i concur with Adv Mngomezulu.
Ratha wa nyatsa for real. The statement was taken by the police of the traditional healer and they also called traditional healer to court by the state as a witness, Ratha didn't object or say information it's not relevant and he is not able to judge on Natural Science because witness of state is traditional healer. Instead this traditional healer was brought to prove that the accused went for cleansing after killing Senzo. So Ratha a seke a re etsa ditlaela please!!!!
when the judge is cornered with evidential truth still finds a way, of course those are signs of intelligence not wanting to lose but we know little by little the truth is coming out.
How can you not interview the first police officials who first attended the crime scene as an investigating officer. This would have assisted her to understand the case better, what may have happened. Incompetency at its best. This is a shame and disgrace to SAPS.
😂 And it is wrong to share eyedrops..it if one of them has an infection ...the infection can spread easily...It's against infection control guidelines.
@@nkosinathikhulu6139 *Yes! But interpreters they do 4get or get distracted sometimes due to arguments between advocates & witnesses but the accused never asked them to repeat the translation again*
Traditional healers are very important in part of the criminal justice system. When western psychologists &psychiatrists get called, why can’t Traditional Healers also be called.
Uthi umngomezulu akuna irvin ongeke afakaze lah uzobizwa kahle nje azofakaza 😂😂😂😂i love mngo yaz😅😅😅i dont think our judge is okay with that boozoom frend on the stand 😂😂😂
Yes, Mngomezulu must tread carefully and stop mentioning people's names without evidence. This FB lawyers have spread enough fake news about this case and I see him diverting completely from the case at hand.
4:12:43 haibo this Judge, but Mogula only wanted to focus on some parts of the confession and said other parts were lies and the judge said nothing because he admitted those statements. Funny how they never mentioned in the trial within a trial that some parts of the confessions were lies, but now they disclose it after the confessions were admitted. 4:12:43 now the judge doesn’t want Mngo to only focus on Mfana kaThwala saying revolver. IF THAT IS NOT PARTIAL I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS… I thought Rob v Hepworth 1928 says “a judge is to be IMPARTIAL “ Rata’s words but he’s not living by his own words
Today I confirmed my doubt about My Lord. He had the same discomfort as Baloyi with how Mngomezulu was treampling on their '" no go areas', whereas a fair judge would be welcoming of evidence as long as it was admissible. Why not let the state deal with the cross examination and not " stress " on their behalf.
you guys should remember this judge is a vintage man, he was born in 1917 to be over 100 years is not a walk on the park especially when he was trained by the settlers "maburu" to be an attorney, advocate, prosecutor, magistrate, snr advocate Sc, and judge, currently a retired judge 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow. I can not understand the investing lady don't know anything. Makes the tasks of the defence so difficult. The judge addresses the defence lawyers so hard but this officer he just ignore when saying I don't know to all questions that's asking to her😮
Sgnt Mogola seemed worried when advocate Mngumezulu said "your investigation is far from the truth" some of us are ashamed to have investigators like you. Sgnt Mogola doesn't have any proof against any of the accused
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Apparently what Mngo is saying is hearsays from people that believed the biggest liar to date Zungu, you lot are a joke and I will say this without fear
Allegedly 😂 😂 To be honest, something fishy 🐟 why those investigators always have that tendency of referring to other people? Are thy running away of answering qtion And it seems they dont know anything about this case, like failing to know what was the diseased wearing on that day of insident no no no but anyway just concerned. Mngomezulu uses the word cooked, which is not right and police work hard n investigate get information that thy don't have knowledge off.
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As the public is not in our powers to arrest the right people but as long we know the truth, well done Mngomezulu.
That exactly why I’m so happy the truth is out there
Mngomezulu bringing case 375 with a style. The man is genius. Well done Mngo fighting for the Truth.
Abeze o Kelly sibalindele
the conclusion of Adv Mgomezulu showed that despite taking out brigadier Joyce Buthelezi she made proper investigation, Magola never went on the crime scene, she never interviewed the meyiwa family, she never studied the two police officers who were the first people to visit the site, she does not know the difference of two guns
Useless magogo investigating office for what 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔
She knows the difference.
😂😂😂 Ratha is so stressed when the name of Irvin Khoza is mentioned 😂😂😂
I have noticed that hey
Uzobona Makenzie njani
And i still remember very well when Tumelo said the gun had a wheel. uRatha is acting dom now
Forget about gun with a wheel, that Tumelo was drunk😂😂
This was proper court proceedings the Defence stood firm regardless of being swayed, interjected as a result some truth is coming little by little.
But ratha is busy laughing to the defence I believe that isn't taking them serious he believes everything from the state
@@bonganidube429He annoys me so much with his stupid utterances
@@bonganidube429I have learned to accept he is the state
Yes indeed now they will be a forward
But defence talks about hearsay here
I don't understand Ratha mybe it shows that he started working under apartheid and it is difficult for him to see himself as an African, look at him trying to make fool about a traditional healer .I wonder how many innocent people were hanged because of him in apartheid era.
Thanks😂 I thought I was overeating 😢
Uzakugweba abantu abangenzanganto😢
Thanks for that
Umbona ngokuncethezelela o 👂 💡 🌞 abangama witnesses.
Aibo ijudge he had no problem bringing umkhulu who had cleansed the accused
Bathi it is triple hearsay when it is Sfiso but when Zungu did it, it was not hearsay, also the confessions were not deemed hearsay
Zungu failed to bring the draft notes
@@elizabethmakaleng267 exactly but his statement/evidence was admitted, when Mnisi fought it he was shut down by Tata Rata
After being taken to kzn with protection he needed wabuyi ezishayela. Nothing. The 5 accused were arrested because he saw them and they told him they killed Senzo.
Zungu’s version is backed up by evidence,you can’t compare the two.
I think the state is doing something bad but honestly in this part, Sifiso starts his statement by saying someone told him this and that... He will go on to say Khoza told him that and that, the statement itself is still hearsay because Meyiwa hasn't come to give testimony himself, and that statement which is hearsay itself contains hearsay. That's why double hearsay.
the judge is very agitated with the defence cross exam hyboooo when the state took alot of time he kept quite and young baloyi swimmed from this corner to the other
That's why we keep hearing about the accused vs police men that weren't even at the crime scene. The case deviated from what happened to senzo in that house. We were supposed to hear from the victims first before we even get to the perpetrators. Baloyi keeps deviating from that house and that day. It's 2014 doesn't exist, only 2020
Iphoyisa elinjani elingazi different types of firearms. What kind of training are they exposed to?
She know she is holding the information.
Don't worry she knows very well
Uyazi uzenza islima lo
Im so happy today this case is going somewhere I bow my had for Mr mngomezulu modimo agodire ka goloka mylord🙏🙏
Kade ebhodla umlilo uMngomezulu
I see something nami
Which way is that except for ur tiktok and Facebook lawyer version. U must be dreaming if u think the case is going the defence wau
@@siphoselemela, it's unfortunate that these people don't realize that Mngomezulu wasted the court time. He's listening too in what is gossips in social media.
I feel sorry for Dr Khoza and Chicco Twala as their businesses might be affected by these rumors.
He had a horrible day in court. What case are you watching? Lol
But even if the witnesses might not know the guns but Madlala gave a description of the gun that has a wheel. Finish
This today's witness, hand picked and promoted to be Sergeant Mogane, allegedly she's been in police force for the past 18, but alleged she don't know or differentiate between 9mm firearm and revolver. This two firearms makes are very uniquely differential, as for any south african police officers the training as it's part of course surely different firearms are at stake, so for 18 years experience police officer to say she's unable to different between the make of revolver and 9mm firearm. I'm surprised why Judge didn't comment or seek clarity
I am surprised myself that a police officer with 18 years of experience cannot distinguish to the two🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
She's just playing dumb
Funny enough we had to listen to zungu with his hear say protected by ratha and baloyi by saying the lawyers can’t ask zungu questions that can in criminate zungu.....and we were made to listen to mkhulu but because he gambled he could not continue to day ratha don’t want the witch dr now awu (on zungu he never said hear say )
And why is Gwabeni (Zungu's nephew) not with the other accused as they came back together from killing Senzo.
The Gininda team did not even went to Senzo's family to take their statement,they never went to the crime scene,they never read the statement of the police that attended the crime scene on the day Senzo was shot,they never spoke to the officers that were investigating the case before them.
All they did they speak to Zungu and arrested the 5 guys😢
True
U nailed it 👏
But they want us to believe that there were intruders in that house😢😢😢
Ayi bezilila ngempela namuhla ePitoli😢dlala Mngoms😂
Cooking 😂😂😂😂😂
The state btought in a sangoma as a witness. The was no problem on that one.Now defence want to bring in a prothet that cleanse Kelly MaKhumalo and Longwe The judge now have a problem with that.Shoo Ratha and Baloyi everything is now clear.The case had been cooked and i concur with Adv Mngomezulu.
Definitely lafakwa ama spice
Baba Mngomezulu ❤, uBaloyi makafakwe dust 🚮
Mngomezulu is a heavy weight of the law his got a memory of a elephant 🐘
Judge Ratha wether your mother was a sister of Jesus we don't care,
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Ratha wa nyatsa for real. The statement was taken by the police of the traditional healer and they also called traditional healer to court by the state as a witness, Ratha didn't object or say information it's not relevant and he is not able to judge on Natural Science because witness of state is traditional healer.
Instead this traditional healer was brought to prove that the accused went for cleansing after killing Senzo.
So Ratha a seke a re etsa ditlaela please!!!!
Lecase vele ibifuna isende elincinile.....mngooo proved that today......
Okelly ngeke behle buthongo namuhla😂😂😂
you should see the English version of your comment especially isende elicinile 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Pls remember that brig Gininda deals with cold cases and Senzo Meyiwa case is not or was not a cold case
It was a cold case, the fact that it was handed to him after 4 years yet there were no arrest until that time that alone make it a cold case
That's true Advocate Mngomezulu. This is a cover up case indeed
when the judge is cornered with evidential truth still finds a way, of course those are signs of intelligence not wanting to lose but we know little by little the truth is coming out.
Eyyy this lady can’t provide answers to anything. Denying everything nje
She was not even present at work. getting pay for free.she should be ashamed of herself 🙆🙆🙆🙆🙆
So this police didn’t investigate but was told what to come and testify on!
That's what I also think
Mngomezulu on 🔥 today
No he wasn't. He did nothing to advance his case today. He had a horrible day.
Hearsay by zungu people are arrested. Hearsay by the accused is refuted
Kuphuka Babu Mngomezulu😂❤
Yah eish the tune have changed to Baloyi what a day in court today i really love it😂😂😂😂😂
How can you not interview the first police officials who first attended the crime scene as an investigating officer. This would have assisted her to understand the case better, what may have happened. Incompetency at its best. This is a shame and disgrace to SAPS.
Dishonesty not incompetence
Dlakadla standing his ground ,not allowing himself to be intimidated by gogo Ratha!!!!
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Gogo Petunia Ratha Mokgoatlheng 🤣🤣
Xhewukazi elingenzi mdla MamRata
Naughty naughty.
THANK YOU MR DLAKADLA 🙏🎉🎉🎉🎉
Usebenzile Mngomezulu 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🔥🔥🔥🔥
He is the man to save these accuse
Akadlali shame 🎉
@@georgebwino9475Nothing said by Mngomezulu that will rescue the accused. He questions are like for a amateur lawyer, one on intern
Money involved here to cover up
Longer killed senzo by mistake she was fighting with zandile.Tumelo said that
The investigator who doesn't know everything. This police officers who investigated this case are questionable. I only see cover ups, lies and bribes
Correct
And types of guns 😢
And a team as a member, you should know what other members are busy with and their findings. unless it is different within the SAPS
Why u didn't search amaphones abo to prove that ,kodwa nathatha ama fone oNtanzi ,nibe nibaqqmbela amanga
So why she was a state witness for what 😢😢😢😢
Well done mngomezulu
What a long waiting trial hope if innocent they sue state
Bazomloya ngama eye drops uMngomezulu menganakile labathakashana
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😂 And it is wrong to share eyedrops..it if one of them has an infection ...the infection can spread easily...It's against infection control guidelines.
Ratha judgement does matte anymore bcos his attention on this case is cleared but thanks to Mngomezulu the whole world knows the real true now . Amen
maye maye Mgo they're cooking 😂😂😂😂😂
The Accused Loved Sifiso's Statement, they even requested it to be read again🤧
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Indeed 😂😅😂😅
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No they asked for a translation
@@nkosinathikhulu6139 *Yes! But interpreters they do 4get or get distracted sometimes due to arguments between advocates & witnesses but the accused never asked them to repeat the translation again*
If he was misleading u ,why u submitted the confessions in court??
Honestly!!!! How did they believe that other parts of the confession are true and some are false…? Ay suka
@@rita_TM they dirty these corrupt devil's
@@Userde989 futhi why didn’t they say this during trial within a trial 🧢
Mngomezulu 🎉
Ziyakhala may the Lord protects adv mgomezulu in Jesus might name 🙏🏾
UmoGola akazi lutho ngale case yonke into abuzwa yona akayazi
So brave of you Mr Mngo, well done 💐
Traditional healers are very important in part of the criminal justice system. When western psychologists &psychiatrists get called, why can’t Traditional Healers also be called.
Judge must be patient Def adv running circles around shabby shady work
Mgo ❤ibivutha i court today
Mr Ratha is old for this case. His body language says everything...
Uthi umngomezulu akuna irvin ongeke afakaze lah uzobizwa kahle nje azofakaza 😂😂😂😂i love mngo yaz😅😅😅i dont think our judge is okay with that boozoom frend on the stand 😂😂😂
When the name of the PSL king was mentioned Ratha changed 🤦🤦🤣🤣
Ratha noticed the wetness started lying and then he was,,mum remember you are under oath.
Ratha can see that she is lying
375 introduction to the court
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Yhoooo Babu Mngomezulu shooting grenades🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
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Mgomezulu will be another Tefo 😂😂 conspiracy theories instead of bringing facts
Yes, Mngomezulu must tread carefully and stop mentioning people's names without evidence. This FB lawyers have spread enough fake news about this case and I see him diverting completely from the case at hand.
So Zungu according to you brought facts right?
I am not sure my lord 😢😢😢😢kusho u Sergent
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An investigator 😂
@@thornmtsetfwa1155 Yey 😂😭
@@NhlanhlaPortiaMsiza 😅😅
4:12:43 haibo this Judge, but Mogula only wanted to focus on some parts of the confession and said other parts were lies and the judge said nothing because he admitted those statements. Funny how they never mentioned in the trial within a trial that some parts of the confessions were lies, but now they disclose it after the confessions were admitted.
4:12:43 now the judge doesn’t want Mngo to only focus on Mfana kaThwala saying revolver.
IF THAT IS NOT PARTIAL I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS… I thought Rob v Hepworth 1928 says “a judge is to be IMPARTIAL “ Rata’s words but he’s not living by his own words
Where did she think she was going? To a pub? She doesn't have documents🙄🙄🙄
But this Judge behavior is really not professional.. The mumbling of work, shaking of his head, this behavior indicate something else
Today I confirmed my doubt about My Lord. He had the same discomfort as Baloyi with how Mngomezulu was treampling on their '" no go areas', whereas a fair judge would be welcoming of evidence as long as it was admissible. Why not let the state deal with the cross examination and not " stress " on their behalf.
Dis mogola must b in d stand for 2ful weeks question after question 😂aphele ukusa lotiki line 🤔
Now I am praying for Mngomezulu to find really Witnesses who can collaborate the vision of him
Mngomezulu will be sued and ended up like Teffo by following this conspiracy theories
If it is true there will be that witness....23/4/2024
Ngine nkila ngo ratha uyazi vena ukuthi use sidini le state
Yes vele
From day one
Ramosepele is cooking, watch out
you guys should remember this judge is a vintage man, he was born in 1917 to be over 100 years is not a walk on the park especially when he was trained by the settlers "maburu" to be an attorney, advocate, prosecutor, magistrate, snr advocate Sc, and judge, currently a retired judge 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Go Mngomezulu gooooooo
2:57:15 haibo so why did he allow Mkhulu to come there ?
Ratha o imogodoyi
I report you sikhathele .amaqaba athukayo
Ukufana kwamagama,"Marco Mthembu"(Marco Buthelezi) to Marco Mthembu for Kaizer Chiefs
And he said "Marco Mthembu twice" 😂😂...23/4/2024
Wow. I can not understand the investing lady don't know anything. Makes the tasks of the defence so difficult. The judge addresses the defence lawyers so hard but this officer he just ignore when saying I don't know to all questions that's asking to her😮
Why did she agree to be a witness cause she doesn't know anything
tjoooooooo ziyakhalaa manje kubo mrMGOMEZULU
Baloyi is having a flue because he cooked something on this case
@wandisilekajolinkomomphank5333😂🤣... You made me forget that I was actually crying 🤣
@@ramonaramona9477 why were you crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The devil is catching up with him
This interpreter is wanting in Zulu vocabulary. A revolver is "livolovolo"
❤livolovolo😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Advocate Mngomezulu thank you so much
Thank you for what. Dom
@hanspretorius4019 we thanks mngomezulu for revealing the truth to court
@khanyilekhanyile436 indeed he is powerful
Kahle wena cleva usubona abanye aba dom iba u cleva ke
What’s your problem??
4:23:27 ophthalmologist is an actual eye doctor M.D but an optometrist is not a real doctor MD so Rata is incorrect here with all due respect
Ay UMNGOMEZULU ubengancenge muntu today
Natural science advocate Mngo u have killed me 😂😂😂
Qha qwaba
Uyazzamela😂😂😂😂...akulahlwa mbeleko ngakufelwa...23/4/2024
Akekho right kodwa uMngomezulu empilweni angiboni nokuthi uzoyiqeda lecase
Asbonge Mr Mngomezulu uyindoda baba 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Ayi ngyamvuma xem uyindoda uBABA MNGOMEZULU❤❤❤
We need justice 4 Senzo
Baloyi 🙈🙈🙈🚮🚮🚮
No allegations kuti uLongwe, but kwawena uyakwazi lokho wena mylothi, uyazenzisa
Why does Baloyi all of a sudden sound like he wants to cry?
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Mzansi where The Police can't work with professionalism. May The Soul Of Senzo Rest In Peace
Natural science 😊
Sgnt Mogola seemed worried when advocate Mngumezulu said "your investigation is far from the truth" some of us are ashamed to have investigators like you. Sgnt Mogola doesn't have any proof against any of the accused
Thankyou Mr Mngo you are n a right track❤
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Apparently what Mngo is saying is hearsays from people that believed the biggest liar to date Zungu, you lot are a joke and I will say this without fear
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Why didn’t the brother ask Khoza who told him that? Too many things said but left hanging. 🤦🏾♀️
Ziyakhala manje🕺🕺🕺🕺🕺
Sarcasitism.from the judge
" aaaahi" this tells a lot from within him
Allegedly 😂 😂 To be honest, something fishy 🐟 why those investigators always have that tendency of referring to other people? Are thy running away of answering qtion And it seems they dont know anything about this case, like failing to know what was the diseased wearing on that day of insident no no no but anyway just concerned.
Mngomezulu uses the word cooked, which is not right and police work hard n investigate get information that thy don't have knowledge off.
Baloyi wont be calling kelly,gwabeni and chicco😂😂😂😂😂
He doesn't want to shoot himself in the foot
He said he will call Gwabini, unless I heard him wrong...if I heard him wrong my apologies... 23/4/2024
✊✊✊ Mr Mngomezulu straight to the point not jikajika 👏👏👏👏
Mngomezulu 💥💥💥