Cybersecurity "Experts" suck at coding. It's a problem.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we discuss why security researchers need to understand software engineering. We examine common tasks within cyber security and how they would be improved with development experience.
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00:35 Reverse Engineering Unfamiliar Languages
04:10 Exploit Development and Vulnerability Research
07:45 Big Data
08:58 Ransomware + Cryptography
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13:37 Understanding Both Sides
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Laurie I'm not sure if you're aware but this video has an ear-piercing squeak around 16kHz (likely caused by the flyback transformers in those CRTs). Most people won't hear it but it's unwatchable for those who can.
yea my ears are hurting
I thought it was just me!
Yeah it’s quite strong 😅
I thought that was my tinitus kicking into a new level of overdrive. Glad you mentioned it 😁
Yeah it seems to be in other videos as well. Makes them unwatchable for me, even though the topics are super interesting. If TH-cam allows you to edit the audio track I would also very much appreciate if you fixed older videos as well (eg the plist one has the noise as well, although not as bad as here)
This gives me a lot of hope as a software developer with reversing / security research dreams.
I also suck at coding and hope to get a cybersecurity job.
@@bobbobson6290 You could practice a lot and get better at writing code. What do you hope to do in Cyber security?
Yeah it is an issue. When I was starting out so many "popular" security experts told me you dont need to code to use tools. In hindsight it did a lot of damage later on when you get into very advanced topics that require you to do it yourself. You reach a upper limit in skill if you dont learn how to code or develop software early on.
these hackfluencers are the worst
This is why I went to a coding boot camp and did a computer science degree before starting cyber. It's just like most things, you need to have a solid foundation. Otherwise you are just building a house of cards.
@@orlandocarranza7187I've seen soke really impressive houses of cards
I think it's the same in many fields. I have two colleagues, one is a chemist and another is a physicist. And both can code at a basic level because many tools require some programming. They are far from me, but they're also way above anyone who can't code at all.
What languages would you suggest learning and how much of a grasp should someone have?
I’m at the late career stage of cybersecurity and fully agree. When I started out security was at best an afterthought so my early tech career was back in the days of assembly language the original C before OO was a thing. I was always into the idea of security and some of my employers humoured my paranoia when I could articulate risks well. The reason I could do this was I not only had a technical grasp to get support from that side of the company but also quantitative business understanding that could put a monetary value to risk for the suits. These days I see far more emphasis on talking to suits than understanding the deep technical aspects of risk. Both are vital to the security role. It is more than anything else a translators role that requires fluency in both domains.
fluent in the language of money, and fluent in the language of ways that people can steal
exactly, expecting every security professional to be an expert in every programming language is delusional, there are many different ways to be a good cybersec expert, and not all of them require extensive programming knowledge. some of them do, but by far not all of them.
@@Tomahawkist_ It's not about language knowledge IMO, it's that whether you're doing monitoring, reverse engineering binaries, or pentesting, at some point you're probably going to want to automate something. And at that point, you can benefit its development and maintenance by applying software eng. best practices like source control, continuous integration, and regression testing. Every single person I've seen in security who said, "It's just a bunch of scripts" eventually had to deal with the tech debt of trying to build and maintain software that didn't have the benefit of software development.
As a software engineer, a video titled in such a way as to suggest that other people aren't as good as me at something I do professionally is clearly a good thing and must be completely correct.
Her next video will be titled "Software engineers suck at coding"
Someone can be good at programming, and you can still be better than them.
lol fair
You talk like a redditor
Tell me you got your ego hurt withou telling me you got your ego hurt
I've always assumed that programming skills were a prerequisite for getting into this field
“This field” is huge with tons of different jobs, so this entirely depends on your goals
Not at all pentesters can write scripts at most trust me. I’m a penetration tester, and I had to spend time with the development security operations and had to code 24 seven I failed miserably and I begged to go back to testing.
it is if you want to be actually good at the job. Unfortunately the industry is notoriously nepotic. Half the jobs are for people with clearence, which mean they'll take military over private citizen. The military doesn't really train their personnel well in computer technology. Cybersecurity has a very severe bureaucratic problem. That's why many don't know how to code.
tech skills are prerequisite, as well as a willingness to learn, any other points in the video are very specific to her field. she has a very narrow view of cybersec, and if she was a goldsmith she'd make a video about how it's a problem that blacksmiths can't make rings as intricate as her
I feel like a lot of cyber security folks spend their time chasing down alerts, but idk, I am a software engineer not a security analyst.
Extremely anecdotally, the people at uni in my CS course who were gunning for the cybersec track absolutely hated anything related to programming and just did the bare minimum to pass. I could never quite understand how one could be interested in the former while having an aversion to the latter; to me, they seem intrinsically entangled.
money
There are huge advertising campaigns right now pushing for cybersecurity specialists to get 100k jobs out of uni. People are jumping in who don't care about IT with the promise of big bucks
@@MajorHomeless a similar gold rush happened with CS majors during various tech booms, it never pans out well for them.
@@dekumutant that's true. i'm doing my second degree in maths now and a lot of first year math classes are shared between cybersec/comp sc./data science. students. 50%!!! of students on our math classes are doing cybersec and they ALL vocally hate maths and don't want to be there. i spoke to some friend whos doing comp sc. and he told me they also hate data structures and alg classes and always complaining why they need it/it's too hard etc... cybersec. "grads" gonna be a shitstorm in few years lol
weirdly, along with the projected salary advertised alongside the degree, the lack of coding yet being a technology oriented field attracts a lot of people for some reason.
As someone who is a programmer primarily but does know a bit of cybersecurity. It is okay to have non-programmers on the team, a lot of attacks are social or psychological and in addition a managerial social butterfly type is useful for convincing executives that it worth the cost to implement defences or running stuff like spear-fishing simulations.
Also it is well and good to have a mathematically verified authentication algorithm but sometimes we forget about big picture stuff like what happens if there is a black out or how the procedure of employees getting ID cards to use. In addition not having non-programmers on the team might lead to making procedures too difficult or annoying for regular people which means they'll just skip or get around them ie (Neville Long-bottom in Harry Potter keeping a list of future passwords on a sheet of paper because they changed too often) if this happens you make things even more insecure.
You do need a good amount programmers on the team but fundamentally people with different backgrounds are going to discover completely different types of vulnerabilities and four geniuses who spot the same thing are less useful than 4 competent people who spot different things.
In an age where teams are siloed and specialized, reading this was like a breath of fresh air.
This entire format, the lighting, the audio sync, and literally all other detail is an absolute work of genius.
yeah, but she isn't a video editor, she is manufactured
this is so weird. she gives weird vibes. it is like scripted and edited from a media company. i don't believe she does this herself. i could be wrong but it's just a weird feeling
Audio syncing is extremely easy? Lighting is an art
« Cybersecurity » itself is a broad term it’s like saying that you work in "IT", there are so many jobs Involved in it that some things are just not your responsibility. Most of the stuff discussed here mostly apply to like software security,bug bounty, web app pen testing which are different from like network security. I do agree obv you gotta know how to read and understand code but it really depends on what you’re specializing in. How can you be a reverse engineer if you don’t know the language that you’re trying to break apart? it doesn’t make sense, obv you should learn the language. But like a network security engineer doesn’t necessarily have to worry about that. that’s why reverse engineering is it’s own thing but they’re all under the umbrella of “cybersecurity” correct me If im wrong
ur right, but computers are run on software, and software is written in code. But calling yourself a security expert when you cannot even read code or understand how exploits work under the hood is just hilarious. The whole industry is built around the idea of software vulnerabilities and misuse.
This is also a concern in other fields. Generally, the developers of a software have never worked in the field the software is for, and the users it have never been developers (neither have their managers).
Without revealing too much, that’s why I have my job. I’m basically a liaison for our customers, as I’ve got a degree in computer science and worked as a dev for a few years, but also worked in the field we develop for and have a passion for it. So I’m in charge of meeting with customers and potential customers about their needs and helping plan our path forward with my knowledge of what the industry as a whole needs and what is possible in the timeframe given.
Did you work in the domain before becoming a developer? Do you want to expand a bit on how you got to where you are?
Most people are mediocre or bad at their job, not only in the cyber security industry. I'm more in security management and boy do we have idiots running around in that area (both old and young).
The only area where this pattern really affects me is the medical profession. Don't wanna die some day because the doctor was crap at his job.
This is why critical thinking, psychology, and behavioral analysis are the top skills I keep sharp at all times, to recognize when me and other people are biased, not noticing or checking certain areas, potentially hiding things, etc, and just asking questions to double-check on those areas they may me missing or hiding
Agreed. Originally it was we were told programming is for scripts but for many aspects in cybersecurity it’s important. Heck look at web app pentesting, you NEED an understanding of JavaScript to communicate findings to the web devs. Also secops is a must.
With the amount of free resources out there for coding, it’s a must for anyone doing infosec.
Would you say javascript would be better to learn than say, python or c?
@@camelotenglishtuition6394 it really depends. Python and Javascript are common languages to learn. For data analysis or anything involving AI python is used a lot. For web dev/ pentesting javascript. Game development? Malware Analysis? C, C++ and others are used. It really comes down to what your goals are.....
@@camelotenglishtuition6394 depends what youre trying to do.
I am also studying Web security. Sometimes I am often unable to conduct accurate code audits because I have not experienced Web front-end and back-end development. My understanding of code is not very good, so during the code audit process, there are some parts of the code that I cannot read. Affects my ability to mine white-box vulnerabilities😢😢
@@camelotenglishtuition6394 No.
I'm fond of combining dev ops, security, and dev tools into a single team/scrum group as I scale up a company and start assembling engineering teams. the best way to get devs to use security best practices is to build tooling and workflows that encourage it. poor security tooling or security by fiat usually just results in frustrated users and devs circumventing the security or avoiding working with security because of how much friction it adds to their daily workflows.
Silos also cause the same problem, but this is organizational.
Thanks Laurie. I’m learning a lot. I work front-end mostly but trained in machine and assembly many years ago. Your videos are a nice refresher. Keep up the good work.
I really appreciate you making this video Laurie, it was the wake up call I needed to push myself further than the goals I had previously set for myself.
Thanks for the perspective. I just started a CS program at my uni, and I'll keep this in mind as I go.
Awesome insights and even a cooler background!
Super cool video! Your video description reads like the abstract of a paper, your academic background definitely shows through. :)
We can hear the high tone of a CRT monitor.
Wait a few years you won't notice
@@TehPwnerer Oh, that's true :D
Make your own video then, im so sick of people complaining about the smallest of things. This video is excellent.,
@@xaza8uhitra4 It is a constructive criticism. I just stated why I won't subscribe to her. I looked at number of subs before posting this comment, so I know she is on the realistic road to make living with youtube. The top comment is literally stating the same thing, so I am not alone. And that change could seriously help her. I am sick off these SJW not using logic but emotions.
You got a mouse in your pocket?
I like the intro! and so true about many of security researchers I know and mostly who hire them :)
To reverse engineer it helps when you know how to engineer things.
Very well put together, clearly explained and makes a lot of sense... I just found your channel.. Subbed ofc... Keep up the great videos! :)
Love this. You're awesome!
Laurie, you are incredible knowledgeable. Impressed!
I hope this doesn't come across as just piling on, but I did take the audio of this and sent it into a frequency analyzer. There is a definite peak at 15.7KHz. I don't know if running your audio track through a sharp notch filter tuned around there would help. I'm an old fart, so I'm not bothered, but I figured I'd try to help.
Edit: I loaded the sound track into Audacity and processed with the built in notch filter at 15737Hz and quality 5, and the peak is gone. One might be able to use an even sharper filter, but I think this removes the sound the young'uns are noticing, and it does so without any meaningful reduction in audio quality.
Keep on keepin' on!
Love the Lain reference at the beginning!
The problem is that the industry is hiring people with "certificates" instead of people with a lot of developer experiences. If you are not asking for that and if you are only making them click checklists then that's what you are getting. I always feel Cybersecurity should be a VERY senior position -- you should never hire people with no developer experience into the field.
The problem is that they need _a lot_ of cybersecurity people, and there simply aren't enough with developer + infosec skills.
AFAIK IT people (including security) are usually amongst the first to be cut whenever there is a cut. I also see a trend to outsource as much IT as possible to foreign contractors. I guess they just want the numbers of people and certificates so they can declare being innocent whenever a hit occurs. The more I think about, the more I believe it makes sense to be someone in the red team@@hackvlix
In some regard it should definitely be a more senior area because of its importance, but it does kind of have to be at all levels anyway. Every developer should have cybersecurity knowledge to develop secure software and everyone dealing with the technical side of cybersecurity should also have a lot of deeper knowledge about computing and software, and unfortunately even if you study in university for years you still wouldn’t have the real-world experience you need for any position
Companies also don't want to pay people with more skills and CS degrees. Heck, they don't even want to hire credentialed coders to code! There's old Java code and even Visual Basic out there to prove it. The problem isn't certificates, it's that employers don't want to put up money to properly train people, or spend the money once they have beyond minimal credentials. "Cybersecurity should be a VERY senior position" 😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😜
@@squirlmy I don't really think training can do the thing though. Some trainings do have value but none can compete with actual multiple years of experience of, say, reverse engineering malwares. Trainings are good for bootstrapping oneself though.
Knowing the programming language and common idioms is extremely important. Programming languages continue to evolve the decompiler isnt decompiling to those languages but translating the compiled version of it into something like C or C#
Sometimes these new language freatures can lead to more security issues, if security researches dont keep on these things and programmers ignore security then we are in a constant bad state, as someone who is a programmer I see this all the time.
You also miss offering the actual best advice, when you understand programming and the language along with its features you can offer design patterns and approaches which are more secure and fit developers needs.
Never encountered this channel before but I have to say I love the serial experiments lain aesthetics of this video.
You got me with the Lain intro
Can confirm.
My bachelors was in programming, but I sucked at and hated writing new code so switched to security. It clicks for me far better.
I was far better at QA/bug hunting and helping others with their code than writing my own.
Malware analysis would be fun eventually, get some use out of all those classes I paid for, but for now I'm happy just being an analyst.
It seems plain to me that the reverse is also true though, coders don't know (or aren't given the time for) security.
The amount of times I've found websites with no input validation is scary.
changing the camera angle occasionally is really smart to bring back the viewer attention on a long monologue, without having to make complex visualisations or finding relevant other video material
I find it distracting, actually, especially since she's not looking at the camera in one of the views. 🤷
cool channel, i really wanna learn more ab reverse engineering
I do amateur pentesting for fun based on responsible disclosure policies -- I have no formal training in cyber security, but I have been able to get very far just with my knowledge as a software engineer. Sure, I may lack specialised knowledge, but learning how to make systems teaches you how to break them as well.
oh boy, i haven't started watching yet but that lain intro suggests i'm for a treat.
Not on topic to the subject of the video, but I love the use of screen savers in the background.
I wholeheartedly agree with your approach! I'm not great at computers. I do well with the little I learn but that's it. But the concept is something that I've always tried to do in every part of my life. Like my job selling car parts.
When people come in and they don't know the name of the part they need I can still help cuz I know how cars work cuz I work on them myself. So after a few probing questions I can figure out the exact part, sometimes even the problem, and get them what they need. I couldn't imagine doing what I do without the knowledge I have. But many of my coworkers don't and it really shows sometimes...
So ya, trying to advise other people on how to improve what they made without having an understanding of how it's made or an idea of how to rewrite it?... That's a recipe for embarrassment and conflict. Just like my job lol
This is going into my favorites btw lol I love how my approach to life is illustrated :P
nice video. thanks!
i love the serial experiments lain aesthetics in your channel
It really depends on which branch of cybersecurity you are working in. This will be less necessary for people working in incident response and some entry level network pentesting. I work in appsec and it is absolutely necessary to have a programming background. I worked in software development for over twenty years before I got into appsec six years ago. A lot of my time is spent in code review and exploit creation and thus I have to be fluent in a lot of languages, or at the very least types of languages. When I talk to some of our network security guys I talk above their head most of the time when it comes to coding. The very most they would have to do, most of the time, is write a python or bash script.
The video is very nice! Also, could you please get rid of the annoying high frequency noise? I think it's one of your CRT monitors.
It actually is a problem lol I learned how to make very specific things work together about ten years ago and forgot even, so imagine how much this feels like you're talking to me right now lol
by the way thanks for thinking outside the box and making videos like this, cuz you really hit a specific point I need to work on, and you really are a great teacher. I really do appreciate all the work ya do Laurie
You are so right 👍
I'd love a video on how exactly fuzzers work
I'm not a security expert. I just hope my compiler produces good code! That said, there was a time when assembler was something one would typically know. So you could just "disassemble" the machine code into assembly and read that. But what would you do if the code vulnerability is in a script that is run by an interpreter?
Without an understanding of the structure of the target applications code , i don't think you can really "research its security"
Cant break it if you cant build it
One thing is understanding code, and the other thing is being able to code. very different
1 million percent agree
I don't think you need to really understand how a program works or it's actual purpose to fuzz input fields. Really, I just don't. Trying to cause a buffer overflow to jam shellcode into memory is nothing like going to months of meetings going over functional requirements.
To say nothing about research being a small segment of the cyber security field.
> Cant break it if you cant build it
_Sledgehammers have left the chat._
@@sn5806 the OP's comment is actually a social engineering attack. He's trying to convince us that people who can't code pose no threat. Probably a Russian hacker 😜
Pls reupload without the squeak my ears hurt
Some great insights you brought up, thanks Laurie.
Having knowledge in both fields can only help.
Absolutely agree that if you don't understand what you're looking at on a deep level how can you expect to find vulnerabilities the person who wrote it didn't expect.
Lets think for a moment , what purpose of Cybersecurity specialists? They main purpose to identified security vurnabilities at the given company, they responsible for identifing potential data leakage, they understand access control. Now on software side, there they must audit software for any security problems, but this is not theirs major responsibility, they should find problems, but make aware developers to fix the code which must be refactored. So Cybersecurity job to maintain security in the company, its always beneficial to know very good programming language, but at first its not necessary.
Keep in mind this is a video made by a researcher who has no idea what it's like in the trenches as an analyst. I value her overall message, but a distinction must be made, network security is not the same as web app security or secure software design. There are talented netsec professionals who rarely if ever need to touch coding at their day job.
@@andrew_moon Yes i agree with you, some people expect from IT professionals very big knowledge wheel, but its impossible atleast when the neuranal link not at mass production and people with chip do not exist yet. Learning programming is always beneficial, you just keep adding ne tool to you belt, cloud is something different story , in the recent years i see more and more client which prefer to run in hybrid mode, its cost effective and you dont "loose" control over your enterprise completly to a cloud vendor.
Im studying CompSci/InfoSec and they really DO NOT put a heavy enough focus on programming. Ive had 2 classes all year and thats it with respect to just coding with some language. So i taught myself most on the side to learn more than just the web trio, which js what they focus on the most (other than Python). Definitely learn some C (i started with ++). You cant do any of this ish (at least the really heavy duty stuff) withoit knowing how to AT LEAST read most languages. You have too, and you definitely have to be good at scripting. If you cant read the code and understand whats its accomplishing you cant really at the core understand the threat. Especially in the pentest field. They definitely need to make it way more of an importance to learn at the very least how to do a good bit of the entire stack.
9:00 see, the trick that most malware authors use is this: They don't actually encrypt your files. They just delete them and replace them with randomly generated data nonsense of equal size.
people who engineer malware are authors, but there are also developers and engineers? i've never seen the distinction.
they don't make a copy of it? when the infected indv pays them off dont they get the files back
@@Elizabeth-hv4pono, not always at least. Sometimes they do, but the lazy ones just delete the data.
Encrypting files can take a long time, so it seems plausible that they would delete and replace with noise.
Security field is awash in people who are staggeringly incompetent.
I think it is difficult to learn safety well without a strong learning ability and independent thinking ability.
The bigger issue is that in a lot of cases, the low level skills necessary for reverse engineering or vulnerability dev is simply a different set of skills than writing testable, maintainable software.
@@ZekuTokairin I don't see a mutual exclusion, they can overlap because those reverse engineering tools are also written in a language and testable.
Maybe, it's just common misconception that they are exclusive because Assembly language code is hard to maintain because its so low level. You can write tests in the lowest levels of language, but that's not to say that choosing a low level language is necessary either.
Although I agree that low level skills are necessary to even write the tools in the first place.
@@retagainez No, I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive-- I myself was trained in software engineering and then went into security research. I just mean that people who start in security research sometimes can get away with build scripts and tools without needing to learn or apply software engineering, and it ends up being a future issue for their own maintenance, or the organization as a whole. Of course they can always learn, but it may not be something they want to do so they don't.
@@ZekuTokairin Totally agreed. And this is the exact notion I thought the video would argue on... but it unfortunately discussed about hypotheticals "If you knew software engineering you could just imagine the solution!"
This is what I think of when I imagine that cybersecurity lacks in software engineering.
Congratulations, this video just won the youtube algorithm lottery! Good luck, hope you a million subs 😇
What? No it didn’t.
You should use an equalizer or notch filter to remove the CRT horizontal scan noise, it hurts.
Man those CRT Screensvaers are awesome!!! I want MORE!!!
MORE!!
MORE!!
MORE!!
WTF is that noise in the back?
Speculation says the CRTs in the back emitting that noise.
the mac wall is sick :3
This set is so badass
theres a really strong audio frequency in the intro by the way, its hard for me to tell if its in the rest of the video but just letting you know
Its there the entire time, might be from one of the CRTs., but it gets weaker throughout the video.
And on another note I just learned that my right ear can hear higher tones than my left ear...
The problem with this angle is that "cyber security" isn't one job. A Vulnerability Researcher isn't a penetration tester isn't a red teamer and etc... There are people's whose job is simply compliance stuff where all they allowed to do is run scans. On the other hand, some people literally do security code review all day, so it'd be pretty impossible for them to not know software engineering. So a lot of the people who don't know coding are ending up in jobs that aren't requiring it, because they are essentially running scanners for a living.
I would not say that "cybersecurity experts suck at coding" covers that complex reality.
Yeah I mean learning Linux commands and managing a Linux server or network is a job within itself...automating certain processes etc.
Hello
Maybe you can do a video about credential stuffing and Selenium
There is a benefit of knowing Apple Crypto Kit or Spring Security open source build to figure out how to back door and exploit applications built on top of these frameworks.
i love how your channel is Lain themed
In my opinion new projects need to be built with security from the get go, with well documented design intents (they might change over time). If you need to plug-in security features without any historical context except code, that is some mountain. That's not to dispute any points from this excellent video.
Let's all love Lain.
YOU REFERENCE SERIAL EXPERIMENTS LAIN IN YOUR TRANSITIONS!!!????
You're awesome already! :D
Nice video! I just want to let you know, there is a really annoying high frequency tone during the entirety of it. I've also noticed it a little in your previous vid. Perhaps something to check out?
As a developer with a master in network and telecom. working at Cyber Security, it was really easy for me go thru 7 layers network. My advice is programming then follow your Cyber career.
So I'm getting a bit confused at your point. You talk about security researchers but then at other points you talk like you're speaking about all jobs within cybersecurity. I think the difference is pretty important. Most people within the field as a whole would never touch anything you mentioned except maybe YARA.
Stop using noise gate and instead actually filter out the coil whine since the flybacks in all those CRT screens switch at a relatively specific frequency. You need a notch filter for it. Audacity has one.
Generate a spectrum analysis of your sound ( Load it into Audacity, Press CTRL+A -> Go to Analyze -> Plot Spectrum), find the silly high pitched squeak from those CRT screens. It'll probably be in the 12KHz range. Take note of the frequency peak (at the bottom right when you hover over the peak), then go into (Effects -> EQ and filters -> Notch filter) and then punch that number you just noted in.
Also, placing all of this stuff on soft materials, and placing soft materials on the walls will cut down on reverb/echo. Best budget option that many people building their own studios would be things like tacking towels to the walls. Carpet tiles also work surprisingly well for getting rid of reverb and looks more professional.
Okay, a bit of information in this video, first off, any reverse engineer of course knows coding, like that's basics, especially C and assembly. But I am sorry, most SOC analysts won't EVER need to use programming as a SOC analyst, or an auditor or a manager...
App security is a VERY small part of cybersecurity, security operations, governance, network security, web security, laws, all of those are much much more likely to fall into cybersecurity than app security, it's completely different things... Now if you work in offensive security, I can see it, but most teams have a dedicated programmer for the creation of tools, that's why everybody does its job, you are in a team, not alone. Also...
Cybersecurity experts? Seriously? You mean specialist right? Cause there ain't more than 50k cybersecurity experts in the world, max, and that's an estimation, it's incredibly hard to be an expert, you need to either know one of the categories of cybersecurity among those to the perfection, or know all of them at an intermediate level at least (Also there is like 10 subcategories for each of them which also have sub categories):
Computer Security
Network security
Vulnerability Management
Cryptography
Malware analysis
Application Security
Identity and Access Management
Operating System Security
Digital Forensics/OSINT
Data Security
Intrusion Testing
Cloud Security
Wireless Network Security
Threat Monitoring and Detection
Physical and Social Security
Cyber Risk Management
Compliance and Security Standards
Critical Infrastructure Security
Financial Transaction Security
So yeah, clearly your video isn't titled correctly... You might know what you're talking about but let's not make it a generality, 80% of people working in cybersecurity will never need to learn how to program things considering cybersecurity is mostly defensive security.
At this point why dont you make your own software business? You can make your own top tier software and keep all the money instead of just a salary
I'm sure there's a few other videos on the topic but I'd be interested to see your interpretation of "how to learn a new language". You mentioned learning how to develop in a language. Can you break that down at all?
learn the basics of a new language up to creating for loops, if loops, etc. Then develop something using that language, best, quickest and most engaging way to learn.
While we’re on the topic… how many things have you learned & forgot because you don’t utilize them frequently enough?
i really enjoyed this video. you should do more videos covering theoretical topics like that.
Good video, I agree. But those constantly changing angles are annoying.
there's a lot of high piched noise from thos old tvs, for a moment i though my tinnitus sudenly worsened :/
Found the title interesting but it's really uncorfotable to listen to this with headphones...
My thoughts exactly... Just without the headphones.
Yes, the fact that one can even get into cybersecurity without having first having been a senior engineer in one of the four IT domains (compute/sysadmin, network engineer, storage engineer, software engineer) is crazy. They think they can secure environments composed of those 4 domains however, they've never mastered any one of them. Little has changed in that realm since they were ruthlessly trolled by GOBBLES in the early 2000's...
Laurie: the original developer was focused on performance 5:02
JS devs:
Or also python devs (beware of for loops!)
As a JavaScript professional I can write your 20 line function in a single line. And that will make it twenty times faster.
@@nlnu1337 But how much time does the entire app (not just a single pure function) spend in GC / DOM manipulation?
Btw I'm a Python dev so glass houses etc.
@@o11k so you think everything in js is a dom Manipulation?
@@halorx9863 One of the most common uses for the language, and its initial purpose.. so why not? Even the most popular frameworks are built on/coupled to different methodologies of DOM manipulation.
there is a very high pitched sound in some parts of this video, noticed right away in the first 15-25s, you might want to have a look at the spectrum and fix your audio with a equalizer
Interesting, I didn't think people in cyber security suck at programming. Because before I considered cyber security as a career, I learned programming because gaming got me into it. Now I've been a developer for 4 years and I have a good understanding of several programming languages. This has been very helpful for the courses I have in my university.
Why is the oscilloscope in the Background in XY-Mode? Very unusual.
Looks like there's sound inputted and both inputs (channel 1 and 2) are exactly the same (only a single line, which is diagonally across the display)
There are much nicer figures you can create with just one or two function generators, so called Lissajous figures.
what is that pitch
A 1000x times this! And I'm a security guy.
I listened for the high-pitched squeak, but luckily, as I'm old, I didn't hear it. Maybe it got fixed. Also, I want to thank you for not having '"vocal fry," which, once you notice it, becomes really intrusive and ruins many an otherwise interesting and informative TH-cam video. great video and content
So this is specifically in regards to Cyber Security "research". In my experience, most people I know don't want to break down applications to find hidden malware. They want to harden network architecture and fortify enterprise domains. There are many different types of "Cyber Security" and I think determining where you want to apply your efforts is important. One isn't better than the other, just different. SOC relies on CS researchers to identify zero days so they can implement patches in the Intrusion prevention systems InfoSec Engineers and Operations utilize.
I know that there is a practice of engineering managers (I know two personally) that hire pretty woman as security experts on big paychecks because they enjoy having them around even if they have zero experience in IT. This is not the case for software engineering generally, as some knowledge is expected.
There is an inverse issue where most devs don’t understand networking, security, infrastructure architecture, etc.
Once you know both sides of the house you become a magical unicorn in the field.
Sounds like the position you want to be in.
@@Rockyzach88 it is indeed.
Hell yeah I love the CRT squeal this is retro asmr
just remembered I’ve started learning programming because one Brazilian hacker guy said hackers needed programming to be a good one and now I’m a web developer
Came from the algortihm, stayed for the Flareon. It's my favorite Eeveelution too!
Could someone tell me who the character is in the PFP? I swear it looks familiar but could also be OC (maybe AI?)
Serial Experiments Lain
As a programmer, hearing her sweet voice talk casually about breaking software by reverse engineering binaries elicits a special kind of terror.
So.... Reverse engineering some code? Like decompiling the binary? I hope you like assembly.
Some cybersecurity researchers are more interested in notoriety than solving the underlying vulnerability. In my previous dealings with them and a discovered vulnerability in our product, they weren’t even interested in communicating with us vs making a name for themselves. In this particular case, this wasn’t a code vulnerability but rather a configuration issue, something that needs communication with end users to resolve.
For your next video you'll want to run a low pass filter at 14 KHz on your audio tracks to kill the CRT whine
why is there a high pitvh noise in the background?
Hm. As a developer with a ton of powershell remote management and scripting, c#, java, c++, python experience, this makes me think a move to this field could be a good strategy.
In my opinion, the core problem of interaction between developers and IT sec lies in the inequality of incentives that management creates. Often developers (or devops) and IT sec are set up as adversaries in a project or even in the entire infrastructure. They are not encouraged to work together to develop a secure and efficient solution.