first you wear chargers gear during our episode, then you compare us to the broncos?! yall are trying to bring the violence from oakland yall didnt see out of the LVR fans
Brett works for the Chargers organization. Take it into account. I also feel the Raiders did not deserve Tom Telesco. He was with the Chargers for 11 seasons and never won a single division title. The Raiders simply deserved better.
The Raiders will be overlooked until they prove it. But if Luke Getsy is able to do what Shane Waldron did with Geno Smith, to Gardner Minshew/AOC, this team should be legit. I am not sold on Getsy yet. Lets see if he can prove himself as well.
I've been saying it for months now 11-6 playoff team. AOC leads us into the playoffs behind our elite defense and offensive firepower. Mad Maxx Crosby wins DPOY 🏆 👏
I mean, Shane was good that year but a lot of it was Geno playing out of his mind. I like Minshew, he deserves a chance to start, but he has nowhere near Geno upside. That being said, Minshew is a much better fit for Getsy than Fields. With better supporting cast talent, more buy-in from players, and some minor growth from Getsy, they can have a solid year together.
Fields was the problem in Chicago. Getsy made a DII rookie QB look halfway decent. However, the coaching tree of "I coached Aaron Rodgers" is bad. Who knows...
Totally disagree with your take that Minshew wins the starting QB job. Myself, Davante Adam's and AP all believe that AOC has the tools to be a winning QB in the league.
A Raiders fan I know used almost that exact line to convince me to watch the team Good or bad, the on-field product is certainly shaping up to be interesting this season
I think you're sleeping on: 1. Tre Tucker as WR3 - true 4.2 speed and a total warrior on the field. 2. The improvement that O'Connell should make going into year 2, after a chaotic rookie year.
Tucker does not have true 4.2 speed. He ran a 4.4. Don't get be wrong, he IS fast. But, to say he has TRUE 4.2 speed, is not supported by anything at all.
i think you guys might be brushing aside AOC - i don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 guy, but end of last year he went on a run of 9 td and 1 int, and his rookie year was awful having to start with mcdaniels then a coaching change halfway through the year. i personally hope he starts, just plays safe and lets the defense win the game, just having to make a few good throws on third down which i think he can. he’s very accurate in the pocket. love minshew but the turnovers are killer. all in all hoping for a year of improvement more than anything.
In all seriousness, this feels like our Lions rebuild type era. Like from the perspective of someone fully aware of the last 25 years being "hey just hope we're good", This. Shit. Feels. Different!
@@rocafellagibson502our talent is aging lions built there team in the draft not free agency thats the big difference they had all the pieces except qb and went and got a qb for us we drafted horrible and will probably have to trade players for a top draft pick so the cycle continues.
@@jermainemarshall4575 Most of our roster is young even Maxx is only 26 we need to keep drafting like we did this year and hope last years draft pans out especially Wilson.
no mention of AOC having the chance to start is a little crazy. there is no world where minshew is his ceiling… he is not a phenomenal prospect in any way at all, but i see a slim chance where he’s the 16-17th qb this season and thats enough for this team to succeed. i dont see that in minshew
Minshew had the 13th highest QBR in the league last year, and was a dropped pass from winning the division, nearly getting a team to the playoffs. Granted, under a great playcaller in Steichan. Nevertheless, he has similar career stats to Trevor Lawrence, who's around 16th in terms of my rankings. So, fair enough. Meanwhile, AOC and Jimmy G had Davante Adams longing for the cold of GB. I don't think I've ever been more whelmed by a QB prospect than O'Connell.
You have to see what you have in Aiden if anything at least we’re not in position to just get an elite qb that was the point of the minshew contract give him a little more than a backup so at the very least you don’t have to run with Aidan if he’s bad AOC wasn’t all terrible last year tho and he has a big opportunity in front of him no qb should honestly be bad with the Oline and offensive weapon depth we had I hope he can be something tho it would be nice
I'm not necessarily against starting AOC, though I just don't think his ceiling is very high tbh, like it could be maybe slightly above Gardner imo, but I'd probably only start him if he's actually lighting up camp and looking as good as if not better than Minshew, cuz I just don't really see AOC being the long term option in the vast majority of cases.
@@zackhurwitz9441 i agree with you on just about everything. whelmed is a great way to put it. i trust him to not have mental gafes but im not wowed, although i do think he is a better thrower of the ball than minshew, which is why i think his ceiling is higher in this offense. i dont think ur calling RPOs with O’Connell, but if my team is relying on a gardner minshew RPO instead of our immense talent at the skill positions, id cry
@@ashleyjade5607 it is underwhelming to think of a quarterback like AOC as a longterm starter, because his ceiling is average and i dont really think anybody wants to see an average qb longterm. but yea i agree about the competition being needed, i just think AOC has a shot and his ceiling of being an average guy is more plausible to me than minshew
Just imagine... Raiders come out in 12 personnel with Laube as the RB - they could legitimately: 1. Run power behind the two TEs. 2. Audible to 5-wide with an empty backfield. There can't be many other rosters that could do that.
Living near Kansas City and going to Arrowhead for Raiders games regularly around the turn of the century with my dad back in the day was a great time. Sure the home fans gave me shit especially when we would lose badly, and that place is LOUD, but that is the weird thing. Walking out after a game where Janikowski broke their hearts with a huge field goal, that place got eerily silent as that ball was kicked and in the air. It was spooky hearing that many people hold their breath at the same time. The first time we went, I think in 97, dad decided we should go hang out with the members of The Nation for tailgating. Probably he was hoping to not get me beaten to a pulp in my Silver & Black, but we walked up to a group of my brothers and sisters of The Nation and they welcomed us with open arms and we were soon treated like long lost relatives. Good food, a few beers and laughing and before long dad is chatting car stuff with the guys about their tricked out black rides. Now if you asked me what a middle aged white guy could possibly have in common with guys he would have avoided because they "look like gang bangers", I would not have thought it possible. But gearheads love their rides. The Raiders were known as embracing outcasts, misfits and oddballs, our experience with Raider Nation was exactly the same.
Telesco is the yin to Pierces yang. In that sense they're perfect for each other. Also, we got Champ Kelly in place and Telesco did not care we had the coach already in place. Hiring head coaches and late round drafting was obviously Telesco's biggest misses. Late round drafting has not been our problem. The first 2 rounds have been a huge problem for us recently. What I did notice is you mentioned Joe Philbin as the senior offensive assistant. Joe Philbin is a master of the 5 man protection scheme. We need to get better at this so we can play Bowers, Meyers, Mayer and Adams at the same time. 5 man protection is something we were not very good at last year. Happy to see you mentioned Malcom Koonce. Across from Crosby Koonce is the talk of Raider nation, he's in the last year of his rookie contract and he's about to blow up big time. He had 8 sacks in 9 games under Pierce. Adams finished last year over 1000 yards with Jimmy Grapes, Brian Hoyer and O'Connell throwing him the football. He did drop some passes late last year, this should not be overlooked.
I'm pretty sure they led the league in max-protect, chips and least amount of players actually being available to catch passes. I think this issue is probably the most important one for our offense it'll effect our run-pass balance a hell of a lot too. This is a difficult team to try and project for I could make a case for 6-7 wins and I could make a case for 10-11 wins just as easily. One thing i do know is how much I hated watching those bad defenses every week and how much more I enjoyed watching good defensive play for the most part. Us older Raider fans (i'm 59) remember things from the great past teams a little differently, it seems the younger fans thought we were always an explosive offensive team but it was always ball control and a solid rushing attack and always very good to great defenses. If you look at some of the numbers guys like Plunkett barely completed 50% of their passes even with the Raiders but we always had quick strike ability to even things out. I think this is the best roster since the early 2000s it's far from perfect, but there's enough talent to compete and the team is young. Hopefully AOC wins the job and shows his upside because Minshew is a good backup/plan b, but for the team to actually contend we need AOC to take the next step and continue to improve. If we can manage to play with leads our pass rush should terrorize teams without really good offensive lines and turn the ball over and get good field position. Full circle that's how we used to win all the time.
After week 5 of '22 where even Fields haters thought that his New Tendency to stop himself throwing to wide-open receivers mid-throw was a coaching decision, Eberflus tried to silence reporters asking him about this by (I kid you not) slashing his arm in a chop-wave motion like an Angry Dad. After 3 weeks of this Fields _finally_ called out his coaches publicly. A little too late. But Eberflus didn't know that & in his panic allowed Getsy to call the offense with less interference. Eberflus *had boasted about* meddling in the offense which was why the reporters were hounding him, not Getsy. Weeks 8-10 the Bears led the NFL in offense. Their #1 WR was a guy known for dropping passes that hit him in the hands. #2 was Chase Claypool who tended to avoid this problem by running the wrong routes. Yet with that & a supposed bust QB Getsy led a league with Allen/Diggs Tua/Tyrrek in offense. So he might be great. I'm disappointed that these guys aren't telling _ME_ this. Also, why tf do they think Minshew will be the starter? The only way the Raiders will know if they need to draft a QB next year is to see what they have in AOC _this_ year with a better receiving corps. It's not like they're going to contend with Minshew, so why start him?
@EAFSQ9 if Fields makes it on the Field this year we get a sense of was Getsy holding Fields back with his terrible play calling or was Fields holding Getsy back by limiting what plays could be called due to his deficiencies. Because clearly the Raiders didn't believe Getsy was the problem. He didn't have to go back to being a QB coach and he was hired pretty quickly in the cycle.
@EAFSQ9 I've watched every snap of his NFL career and despite some exciting plays that tracks with what I saw. The amount of times he starts to throw only to change his mind and take a sack was infuriating. He'll have his obligatory great play for ESPNs top ten on sport center and that'll be it for the game.
The Raiders have a great foundation to build on. If they find a good QB and OC (or maybe Getsy really improves lol, crazier things have happened), plus a couple other pieces, 2025 could see the rise of Raider Nation again. Looking forward to seeing how they look this year
Physically dominated the broncos, chargers and chief's on the back half of the AFC West schedule. All with an interim coach. Reinvested money and draft picks into dominant lineman on both sides of the ball. Raiders are focused on finalizing their identity under pierce. Physical, consistent and disciplined. They will beat the Broncos and Chargers in AFC West rankings. They will give the Chief's hell.
I sure as hell hope so but objectively there is a chance it could go sideways. I have a sneaky suspicion that AOC is better than a lot of people realize and the coaching staff already knows that.
Also, I have to wonder how much of an input getsy will have as OC. With the addition of Joe Philbin as senior offensive assistant, as well as having Marv Lewis as Assistant HC, I think that Getsy's offense might be augmented significantly. Don't forget Scott Turner and Rich Scangarello are there too.
The Black Hole was how it was in Oakland. Las Vegas is a TOTALLY Different enviroment. Go to games at the Black Hole with Chiefs or Broncos gear and you would fear for your life. Now you go to Algenent and its Arrowhead Desert Casino Resort stadium totally different things.
Love ya Brett & EJ. I think Tre Tucker is going to surprise you. Davante has talked unbelievably high of him. I definitely think 800 yards is a real possibility
I’m just going to say I’m sold on Patrick Graham and the defense he made Patrick play the worst game I’ve ever seen him play as a Chief and I’m a Chiefs fan
Patrick Graham is fine. Antonio Pierce on the other hand...? What does that guy even do besides be a glorified cheerleader and make absolutely zero sense when he talks about building his team🤣🤣🤣🤦
@@kevincurnickhuh? Antonio peirce is a Super Bowl champion and lead one of the best defenses in recent post season history. You should maybe check his resume, you are clearly 12 saying something uninformed like that.
@@lucrative6477 I said least experienced "COACH" smart guy. He failed miserably at Arizona State had one year of linebacker coach experience in the NFL. I'm fully aware he's a super bowl champion linebacker that has nothing to do with being an experienced coach 🤣🤦 You clearly need to read questions and comprehend things before you go making comments. Sheesh
Extremely weird take to say they’re neutral relative to last year. Brock Bowers, Christian Wilkins, JPJ? That’s an upgrade. We got rid of McDaniels for AP, tom telesco has already shown he makes good decisions in the draft and free agency, and Luke Getsy is (admittedly bad) but he’s a serious OC, better than anything we had last year (pre and post McDaniels). Also AOC is starting over Minshew. That’s not a hot take, that’s according to everyone that watched preseason training so far. The defense is going to feast and the offense has more weapons and offensive line skill than they had last year. Floor is 8-9, ceiling is 11-6. We just need Getsy to be adequate.
Vikings fan, but these are the highlight of my week. I love every episode and I have watched everything. Appreciate you, Brett! Been watching you since you had 6k subscribers doing Amari Cooper/Jalen Collins breakdowns. Love EJ, super innovative and gives great football perspective and analysis. QBS is a beautiful system. Keep up the good work guys!
I've been a raider fan all my life I'm 56 now I get it we have a lot to prove having said that don't compare us to the donkeys I believe in Aiden I know I know whhhhaaaat the kid is smart and he's a hard worker and most important no drama
The defense will be good enough to keep them in games but at the end of the day their offense isn’t good enough to get the win and they finish with 7,8,9 wins in the season
I think they're going to be the menace of the division. Much like last year. Just getting into slugfests with the likes of the Chiefs, and beating the hell out of these QBs. Violent, if not middling. A true homage to the raiders of old.
Most likely true but AOC might be better than a lot of people think. I went back and watched some of his college games and he really was a totally different player than the average fan thinks he is. I thought he was too averse to making risky throws but I think that was the coaching staff because in school he was more of a reckless gunslinger type that needed help reeling in some of those throws and learning to get rid of the ball instead of making so many risky throws. He also moved around in the pocket much better than he showed last year, so again I think that was a coaching decision. He looked at his first 2 reads and was told not to make a throw if they're not open. Does any of this mean he's going to be a good pro? No one knows but I do like his arm and accuracy and it's entirely possible he ends up a good pro QB. He stayed at the facility all off season and also transformed his body to get in NFL shape so he did what he could do. We should find out by games 6-7 if he has a shot and if it doesn't work out Minshew isn't a terrible plan b and it's back to the drawing board for next year. That was the best we could do without doing something reckless and stupid and they made the right decision as far as i'm concerned.
@@jameshannagan4256 what did he look like against Ohio state and Michigan those team who have nfl players on them bc I don’t care what a player did against bad teams with no good player on them ( not saying he’s bad or he only beat up on bad team I just never watch him )
@@zlowfrm1300 He threw for over 500 yds against Michigan and for the record he wasn't on a good team either. He took Perdue to 2 big 10 championships on a team with very few NFL players. He was a reckless gunslinger in college and that was the knock on him going into the draft. Watch the PFF post draft show for 2023 both guys had mostly positive things to say about him and that he'd have a shot in the NFL to play. He moved around the pocket pretty well too. I'm not saying he's going to be a star or anything, just that he's better than a lot of fans think he is. He transformed his body a la Brady, and spent the entire off season at our facility so the staff likes him for a reason.
1. O'Connell is the starter, not Minshew. 2. The Chargers have been offseason champs for 10 years now due to their "talent". Every year they're predicted to be great and "loaded". No idea where this lack of talent argument is coming from. Bosa, Derwin, Mack, Herbert, Allen, Slater, Samuel, etc. Telesco had the Chargers loaded with talent every year.
Facts, Telesco drafted super bowl talent in Los Angeles and in Las Vegas he crushed his first draft and signed the best free agent in Wilkins. Secondly he's not in charge of the salary cap for the Raiders.
I think they meant depth overall as a team, but I agree with you, everyone talked about the “talent” from this team for years. I guess cause it hasn’t worked, it’s suddenly a factor.
@darthmauleatinyoicecream3675 watching the games, AP stated he's the starter, Davate wants AOC as the qb, and AOC was second in rookie qb stats only to CJ Stroud. Had AOC entered the draft in 2022, he'd have been a 1st round draft pick.
@@darthmauleatinyoicecream3675 odds mean nothing. AP has said it's O'Connell's job, all beat writes have said it's his job, and Adams said today he thinks it's his job.
I respect you guys. I’ve been watching your draft coverage for a couple years now. I think you are fair about Getsy and QB, but to diminish our elite defense like you did, I’ll be sure to remind you how wrong you were later! Lastly, I think you give Telesco too much blame for the disastrous Chargers team composition. Their ownership and coaching was absolute garbage for lack of a better word. The offseason of Bowers, JPJ, and Wilkens shows more evidence that the chargers chargered for many more reasons than coupon Tom. Thanks though for finally covering my Raiders! Keep up the quality content. Hey where was the bourbon fellas!?😂
Tom Telesco has already spoken about how easy it is to be the GM of the raiders because Pierce has a vision of exactly the type of guys he wants at every position group
Not enough people realize how important that is, way too many teams end up with what Al used to call a dog pound, a little of this a little of that. It does make a GMs job much easier and TT wouldn't be the first GM to have more success on his 2nd job it happens a lot. That's one thing the Raiders always had, a clear vision of what the team is supposed to look like. That issue has ruined a lot of otherwise good GMs who were actually good at drafting talent. It doesn't help when there's a lot of turnover all the time either. I have hope (finally) that the team is actually headed in the right direction and now they have to stick with the plan and draft smart and manage the cap well. I'm impressed with Telesco's off season moves and draft we finally have some depth at a lot of positions although i'd like to see another move at CB.
This season for the raiders reminds me of the one where the chargers gifted them a playoff berth. Hired an interim HC, made the playoffs, added star talent in the offseason, everyone was riding the high into the next year and whop whop whop reality sets in and they win like 5 games
Yeah that is the way I'm looking at this Raiders team. Sort of like the 2022 Giants season where variance played a huge role in their success despite being middling in terms of roster talent and performance. In 2023 the variance didn't do them favors along with the injuries and they went from winning 9 games to 6. I just hope AP is still the guy the franchise/players believe in by the time week 9 rolls along.
They difference is that we have a really good defense that should have us in every game. I'm not one of those fans that thinks we'll win every year but just on our roster alone we'll be better than last year. It really comes down to QB play like everyone keeps saying (for once they're right). AOC doesn't have to throw for 4500 yards but he needs to move the chains and play with a lead more often so our defense can get turnovers and good field position. If the offense can be efficient and not turn the ball over I could see 10-11 wins but I can also see 6-8 wins as well. This really is a difficult team to make predictions about but i'm happy it'll be fun to watch defense again.
@@jameshannagan4256 sounds like you know what you’re talking about. They got a ton of weapons at skill positions on the offensive side of the ball. O’Connell is decent but I don’t see that o line helping him be any better. Especially if you watch the bears o line woes last season. You need talent to overcome mediocre coaching or good coaching to overcome mediocre talent. The best case for that offense to succeed, I think, is to play a simple even if predictable offense and let the talent outplay the opponent when they can. We’ll see what they do tho
Great episode on my Raiders! 🏴☠️ Im super hyped about the defense, but ima pray for that offense lol "Don't worry about our quarterback, worry about yours" - AP. RAAAIIIDDEERRRSS!!! 🏴☠️🔥🏴☠️🔥
Aiden Oconeell in year two is gonna take off! He’s gonna be considered one of the top QB’s in the league after this year. Look what he did as a rookie, thrust into a chaotic starting role and he still succeeded and won games people thought he wouldn’t. I see major growth coming from Aiden O’Connell
Telesco drafts/signs players based off what his coaching staff wants/needs. JC Jackson was all Staley's decision. He was the best hire/fit for what we have going. He had a Chargers team for years that was set for a Superbowl run in two different eras with Rivers and Herbert, just couldn't get it done with the staff IMO.
From weeks 8-10, using a completely different set of plays, Fields led the NFL in offense with a #1 WR who couldn't catch passes th-cam.com/video/glpaya0xz-4/w-d-xo.html that hit him in the hands & Chase Claypool. Weeks 11 & 14-17 of '23 they returned to using those plays again & what a surprise, the team fared better. In between those streaks the Bears returned to calling plays that were known to fail & halved the offensive production. _HOW_ tf is that on Fields? You The Fans tend to be highly selective about when you apply the blame game. Trevor Lawrence's o-line sucks & he had Urban Meyer. So? Fields had play-callers that *intentionally returned to failed plays & an o-line whose players actively ran away from th-cam.com/video/FiiK21VzI_o/w-d-xo.html their blocks. *How is **_that POSSIBLY_** the QB's fault?* & if you want to dismiss Fields' offensive streaks as flukes by all means, point to how often crappy QBs lead the entire NFL in that for 3 weeks straight? How come in a league with Allen/Diggs, Burrow/élite WR trio, Tua/Tyreek & *Mahomes/Tyreek* neither other known busts like Zach Wilson have such streaks, _nor did Mahomes Tyreek ever have any?_
There is no fairness to Getsy. He's a below average coordinator. His passing concepts are abysmasl. He gave Fields more opportunities to run and Fields cracked 1000 yards. Then he decided.... To not run the ball with Justin Fields. HOW DID YOU EXPECT THIS SEASON TO GO GETSY!!!!!!
I have more faith in the actual and potential talent of the Raiders weapons on offense (Adams/Bowers/Jakobi Meyers/Mayer) and their improving O-line than what Getsy can get out of these guys.
@@choosecarefully408 So they traded him for a future 6th round pick and drafted a QB first overall? Does that make any sense to you delusional Bears fans? He sucks objectively and I can honestly say that because I could care less about the Bears. He can't get the ball out on time to the correct reads which is only the most important skill a QB can have. I get it he's a good kid and was put in an untenable situation at times, but he failed big time and really didn't show any signs of improvement over the course of 3 years. I don't think he's a starting QB in the NFL and it didn't help playing in that high school offense in college. There's a reason they couldn't even get a 6th round pick in this years draft for him. Some of the stuff i'm hearing sounds like the same stuff they said about Carr all the time although he was at least a decent pro. I never root against good kids like Fields and I hope i'm wrong but this scenario is a constant replay all over the NFL for all the years iv'e been a fan (i'm 59). I do think the kid you drafted could be a star though he reminds me a lot of Mahomes including the negative aspects and he should sit for a year just like he did. I'm sure he won't sit though so the cycle continues to play out. Who would start if he didn't if you don't mind me asking, and would he hold the fort if they decided to take it slow with Williams?
I gotta say, I like the full breakdown of Raiders off season. I will say I think a lot of people are sleeping on AOC, there’s something there you can see it. We know what Minshew is, we still don’t know Aidan O’Connell’s ceiling
Adams will probably be the biggest difference for Getsy's offense this season - he is expecting the Packer offense he has all that experience in, and I think we can all be damn sure that he will offer "input" if it's not looking right.
Fields' lack of work ethic and professionalism has been well noted. As with so many athletes with loads of physical talents, he's not as open to coaching as he needed to be. Aidan O'Connell brings that underdog work ethic that will serve him well in the NFL. Fields will likely bounce around the league and never amount to much if he doesn't change his attitude.
From all accounts he's actually supposed to be a good kid with a good work ethic. It's so hard to succeed in the NFL when you played in a high school offense like Fields did, it's like learning how to play QB all over again against the best athletes in the world.
Raiders fan here, I think this was a fair evaluation, I liked it. My hope is they are like Marvin lewis ravens D and we can crush it but that’s an optimistic fan before season as I think all fans should be now
As a highly respectable outlet for football info and as one of y’all’s big fans, how is oconnell not even really talked about. He took over mid year with arguably the worst coach in the last 10 years. Still had positive record and positive throwing numbers but is shoved under the rug for some reason WHY??
Some crazy jakobi meyers disrespect here, best value pick fantasy wise on that team. WR24 in half ppr last year!!! Brock Bowers is awesome yes, yes hes a move TE, yes he will take some volume away from jakobi but jakobi isnt a slot guy anymore. He was an outside receiver last year for a majority of his snaps and absolutely proved his skill out there, he was so awesome. Dude makes an obsene amount of contested catches, far more than you think. 2nd best weapon on the team even with Brock
As a Pats fan the Raiders won out signing Jakobi Meyers. Pats paid JuJu the same amt of money as Meyers to do a similar role. JuJu can't even complete a full season while Jakobi was active for nearly the rest of the season. But also Jakobi is at his best being WR2/3.
@@t4d0W Which is what he should be this year I think Tucker and Bowers will see a good amount touches and it has to come at the expense of someone. I do know when they are on the field with 2 TEs and Meyers they should be able to get some leverage in the run game which we couldn't do last year. I saw 8 men in the box on first and second down an awful lot last year and Jacob's got hit a lot at or near the LOS. I think this offense should be able to play ball-control and be effective on play-action passes. Is that going to be enough with a very good defense and STs? I don't know the answer but it will certainly be better than last year.
As a raiders fan, i think this football team is going to shock everyone. I have never felt so strongly about a team we put forward. The only position im worried about is right tackle. Also rob leonard is going to be an epic coach
I don't even think he'll pan out to even be better than Carr was, but it'd be crazy to think Gardner Minshew is gonna be Week 1 starter. AP seems like a real "dance with the one that brought you" type, and he'll start O'Connell until he gives him reason not to. O'Connell will have to just completely shit his pants a few weeks in a row before they start Minshew. I'd be absolutely shocked if Minshew is named the starter out the gate.
He's getting paid a good chunk for a backup. Especially after almost clinching a wildcard for the Colts. Raiders should've used that money elsewhere but chose to grab him. Most likely he's starting.
I agree that bad play calling can kill a team. As a Charger fan I can relate to bad play calls. Ex. It’s 3 and 3 and the offensive line has been getting pushed back but let’s go ahead and be predictable and send a RB up The middle and let’s send a small running back to boot.
We’re a fringe playoff team, who is about to have a top 3 defense, and just needs the offense to be good enough. One of the biggest parts of the team playing better under AP was the growth of young guys. If we get some more growth, we are a 10 win team vying for a WC, but I think the floor is 8-9
The fact you guys can't mention even mention any other DLinemen other than Maxx or Wilkins kinda proves y'all don't know much about team. As far as Telesco, it's been documented the LAC owners like to override things. Stay smug
The addition of Wilkins will enable the Raiders to be much more effective when they stunt and if Malcom Koonce is as good as I think he is their defense will not be fun for anyone to play against. Returning 10 starters should also enable them to be more effective when they do more exotic things if they manage to hold up at CB they should have one of the better defenses in the league.
Telesco drafts well in the first round. The Raiders have been lacking that. Also, management was behind spending big money last year. They thought they had a roster to push for a Super Bowl and tried to get Khalil Mack and JC Jackson. From my understanding to let go, had his hand strapped when it came to salary cap decisions. Chargers had a good roster Herbert, Derwin, James Keenan Allen, Mike Williams Joey Bosa. Injuries and bad coaching is what hurt the chargers.
Mark Davis chose telesco because he had a lot of experience. He didn’t want to pair a first time head coach with a first time gm. I’m with you tho it was a bit of a head scratcher
AOC half the season starts as a rookie 3rd string under a dumpster fire 12 tds 7 interceptions 2200 yards. Garner Minshews ' pro bowl ' season 15 tds 9 interceptions 3300 on an entire season. ? What are we talking about here haha you give Aidan a shot. If Aidan was with any other team the media would be talking about his potential in another light.
As you alluded to at the top of the episode, Raiders fans have been waiting 25 years for something special. I been one of those fans. I have learned to be patient; so personally I don’t need the Raiders to win the Division and make a SB run this year. Honestly probably not going down like that this year. But I am expecting this team to better than they have been in years past. That’s a low bar. So I’m ready for improvement
Their second TE is not better than their 3rd WR. Fields doesn't know how to adjust at the line of scrimmage. Getsy was the pass game coordinator for both of Adams best seasons in TDs and yards. Also who the hell is Bam? You making players up?
I agree with most of your evaluation, but I disagree with your assessment of the qb room. AOC does not play the same game as Minshew. He takes care of the ball better and focuses on winning from within the pocket. He's also more accurate. I think he wins the job to start the year. The offense might be less explosive with him at the helm, but they're not gonna turn it over as often.
He was hired to fix fields. Not run his offense. I’m still one foot in and one foot out as a raiders fan tho but I think he deserves one more chance and like Brett said now that they’re separated we’ll see who’s fault it really was
The high and low is volatile because if Oconnell has a 95-98 passer rating and 28 tds they can win 11 games. If he plays bad and they trade Davante they might win 4-5.
I think the draft shows that Telesco and AP are on the same page - it was an amazing draft (except Glaze, perhaps), and all of them are "leave it all on the field" AP guys. Also, from what I understand, Telesco wasn't in charge of the contracts in LA.
I love my Raiders friends. Wearing my Rivers jersey twice a year is always fun when kicking it with the boys. Lotta beer and smack talk to end it with a hand shakes and some hugs. It’s a game everyone and the Chargers will win them both this year 😂😂⚡️⚡️
I always appreciate your insight, however I think the bulk of your analysis is flawed. By all accounts the QB is Aiden's job to lose. I would love to hear your opinion if Aiden develops into an above average QB, how would that affect your analysis?
And I'm not a big Tom Telesco fan. But y'all are bugging! He loaded the Chargers with talent, the whole 11 years he was there. 2 studs on their oline, 2 studs at WR, plus good backups, star safety, Boss/Mack, a QB that y'all seen to believe is something special ect... Where did he go wrong? JC Jackson was a failure, not because of Telesco. They did to him the same thing that Philly did to Nnamdi Asomugha! Picked him up cause he played great in one system. Then put him in a totally different system, and blamed him cause it didn't work!
Rashawn Slater was a gimme pick in 2021 where LT had two legit prospects. Guess who the Raiders reached in the first round for an O-line guy? Keenan Allen is a nice big slot receiver he alone couldn't carry the pass game even with Herbert. Mike Williams and Bosa may be nice but being injured doesn't help their case. Mack came via trade and most likely influenced by Staley looking to add his own guys to make the Chargers defense cohesive. He also chose Zion Johnson in 2022 in the first round which was a gimme pick. Then took defense and an RB past those rounds where none of those guys have actually produced even in a depth role. He has many of those draft years in his tenure with the Chargers. Thing is JC Jackson wasn't just Telesco's miss in drafts/FA. The D-line assembled under Staley's era was Austin Johnson (injured)/Joseph Day/Morgan Fox and you wonder why they can't stop the run? Morgan Fox is valued as a good run defender but he's also sub 300 lbs. Fucking Kenneth Murray was still playing reps because nobody in the depth was promising enough to play him out. Y'all act like Telesco doesn't have 10+ years as a GM for misses but focus on the hits that many good GMs pull twice over. Fuck Jerry Jones has built a better roster worthy of being overrated than Telesco has in the same frame.
@@t4d0W They still had talent on their roster, more than we had that's for sure. He didn't do so well selecting head coaches although sometime the owners have a big say in who the head coaches are. He seemed to do well with picks in rounds 1-2 but struggled in rounds 3-7 and sometimes picking the BPA is underrated as hell. The year in which we drafted at 4th overall and twice in the 20s killed us their were plenty of offensive lineman we could have picked but we ended up drafting them in later drafts and they busted anyway.
I'll never understand the Ferrell, Arnette and Leatherwood picks there were plenty of good players available. Freaking Leatherwood couldn't even play guard which is insane for a OT and they passed over the guy the Vikings picked (Darrow I think) who everyone kept saying was BPA.
Great video. As a person who covers all teams I’m impressed with your analysis, as I, a raiders fan who follows the team quite closely I was surprised by the tolesco hire as well as the getsy hire I’m even more unhappy with. Telesco at least hit some picks (all gms miss it seems). So I agree with you there. I think the change in culture with AP hopefully will bring everyone together and give the whole squad a boost, and I feel the roster got improvements without any positions groups really falling off. The qb play I feel like AOC has a shot to start I’d be curious to hear more from you guys on him, as you undoubtedly watch more film than me. I don’t see why he can’t get better, it seems like we won some games and had a few good games for a rookie coming into a rough situation I have some hope for him. Should be interesting I agree more with the guy that put our floor at 6 wins ceiling at 10! Good analysis was interesting to hear about some of the lesser known hires like offensive line, and Joe Philbon (offensive assistant). Chears boys enjoy the season… oh ya one more thing… RRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDEERZ!!!!!
Video invalidated by no mention of Aidan O'connell. He is the true X factor. He is the antithesis of what they envision for Minshew, tossing the ball up into harms way.
first you wear chargers gear during our episode, then you compare us to the broncos?! yall are trying to bring the violence from oakland yall didnt see out of the LVR fans
Brett works for the Chargers organization. Take it into account. I also feel the Raiders did not deserve Tom Telesco. He was with the Chargers for 11 seasons and never won a single division title. The Raiders simply deserved better.
@@guadalahonky4002He never won a single division title because the chargers are a loser franchise. Talent was never the problem.
@@guadalahonky4002my argument is that the Raiders hired Tom Telesco. Whether they deserved him or not, that’s who they were stuck with.
If you really feel ways, you can find him in games and personally tell him yourself. Pussy.
@guadalahonky4002 you do realize that the chargers had the talent but they had big injury issues.. keep it 💯
The Raiders will be overlooked until they prove it. But if Luke Getsy is able to do what Shane Waldron did with Geno Smith, to Gardner Minshew/AOC, this team should be legit. I am not sold on Getsy yet. Lets see if he can prove himself as well.
I've been saying it for months now 11-6 playoff team. AOC leads us into the playoffs behind our elite defense and offensive firepower. Mad Maxx Crosby wins DPOY 🏆 👏
More likely to do what he did to Justin fields
I mean, Shane was good that year but a lot of it was Geno playing out of his mind. I like Minshew, he deserves a chance to start, but he has nowhere near Geno upside.
That being said, Minshew is a much better fit for Getsy than Fields. With better supporting cast talent, more buy-in from players, and some minor growth from Getsy, they can have a solid year together.
Fields was the problem in Chicago. Getsy made a DII rookie QB look halfway decent. However, the coaching tree of "I coached Aaron Rodgers" is bad. Who knows...
Totally disagree with your take that Minshew wins the starting QB job. Myself, Davante Adam's and AP all believe that AOC has the tools to be a winning QB in the league.
As a Raiders fan - if the season is fun, it will be a success
A Raiders fan I know used almost that exact line to convince me to watch the team
Good or bad, the on-field product is certainly shaping up to be interesting this season
I feel you, we're in the same spot tbh
As a Chiefs fan.. something is certainly taking place in the AFC West
I feel that
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44:01 Trea Turner had me so confused like “when did we start talking about baseball” lol
Yeah... was wondering if he was blending Tre Tucker and DJ Turner... How dare they!
I think you're sleeping on:
1. Tre Tucker as WR3 - true 4.2 speed and a total warrior on the field.
2. The improvement that O'Connell should make going into year 2, after a chaotic rookie year.
Yes. They didn’t even get his name right. It’s Tre Tucker not turner. They also completely right off aoc
Tucker does not have true 4.2 speed. He ran a 4.4. Don't get be wrong, he IS fast. But, to say he has TRUE 4.2 speed, is not supported by anything at all.
@@luked78the 4.4 is true, but he plays 4.4, where John Ross never played 4.2. Being objective.
@@luked78 He ran a 4.37 which is plenty fast enough and he plays fast as well (quick as hell).
i think you guys might be brushing aside AOC - i don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 guy, but end of last year he went on a run of 9 td and 1 int, and his rookie year was awful having to start with mcdaniels then a coaching change halfway through the year. i personally hope he starts, just plays safe and lets the defense win the game, just having to make a few good throws on third down which i think he can. he’s very accurate in the pocket. love minshew but the turnovers are killer. all in all hoping for a year of improvement more than anything.
AOCwill be the starter ...
Maybe
She might be a little busy with the election this year
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In all seriousness, this feels like our Lions rebuild type era. Like from the perspective of someone fully aware of the last 25 years being "hey just hope we're good", This. Shit. Feels. Different!
We got way more talent then the lions had on there team we not far away
@@rocafellagibson502we have more high end talent. Thats borderline irrelevant in the NFL unless that’s at the QB spot.
@@rocafellagibson502our talent is aging lions built there team in the draft not free agency thats the big difference they had all the pieces except qb and went and got a qb for us we drafted horrible and will probably have to trade players for a top draft pick so the cycle continues.
@@jermainemarshall4575 Most of our roster is young even Maxx is only 26 we need to keep drafting like we did this year and hope last years draft pans out especially Wilson.
@@jameshannagan4256 who JpJ mf is soft Bowers is the only good draft player and he doesn't even want to be a Raiders for life.
AP .. said ..don't worry about our QB . Worry about yours !! Dee Line
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That's the dumbest shit ever no one is worried about our qbs .
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I like to imagine when brett says "you can buy bootleg merchandise" he's not referring to his podcast
People talk about the Raiders like they only win 2 games were not the worst team in our division
That js currently the broncos and chargers
Literally
imo Raiders have the best shot at 2nd in the division this year
@@ashleyjade5607 I agree
Not a Raiders fan but that's a good point
no mention of AOC having the chance to start is a little crazy. there is no world where minshew is his ceiling… he is not a phenomenal prospect in any way at all, but i see a slim chance where he’s the 16-17th qb this season and thats enough for this team to succeed. i dont see that in minshew
Minshew had the 13th highest QBR in the league last year, and was a dropped pass from winning the division, nearly getting a team to the playoffs. Granted, under a great playcaller in Steichan.
Nevertheless, he has similar career stats to Trevor Lawrence, who's around 16th in terms of my rankings. So, fair enough.
Meanwhile, AOC and Jimmy G had Davante Adams longing for the cold of GB. I don't think I've ever been more whelmed by a QB prospect than O'Connell.
You have to see what you have in Aiden if anything at least we’re not in position to just get an elite qb that was the point of the minshew contract give him a little more than a backup so at the very least you don’t have to run with Aidan if he’s bad
AOC wasn’t all terrible last year tho and he has a big opportunity in front of him no qb should honestly be bad with the Oline and offensive weapon depth we had I hope he can be something tho it would be nice
I'm not necessarily against starting AOC, though I just don't think his ceiling is very high tbh, like it could be maybe slightly above Gardner imo, but I'd probably only start him if he's actually lighting up camp and looking as good as if not better than Minshew, cuz I just don't really see AOC being the long term option in the vast majority of cases.
@@zackhurwitz9441 i agree with you on just about everything. whelmed is a great way to put it. i trust him to not have mental gafes but im not wowed, although i do think he is a better thrower of the ball than minshew, which is why i think his ceiling is higher in this offense. i dont think ur calling RPOs with O’Connell, but if my team is relying on a gardner minshew RPO instead of our immense talent at the skill positions, id cry
@@ashleyjade5607 it is underwhelming to think of a quarterback like AOC as a longterm starter, because his ceiling is average and i dont really think anybody wants to see an average qb longterm. but yea i agree about the competition being needed, i just think AOC has a shot and his ceiling of being an average guy is more plausible to me than minshew
Just imagine... Raiders come out in 12 personnel with Laube as the RB - they could legitimately:
1. Run power behind the two TEs.
2. Audible to 5-wide with an empty backfield.
There can't be many other rosters that could do that.
Really been looking forward to this episode.
That title is *chef's kiss*
Tom Telesco just had an amazing draft and currently having a nice offseason with the Raiders. I can’t complain as a fan. Exceeded my expectations.
Living near Kansas City and going to Arrowhead for Raiders games regularly around the turn of the century with my dad back in the day was a great time. Sure the home fans gave me shit especially when we would lose badly, and that place is LOUD, but that is the weird thing. Walking out after a game where Janikowski broke their hearts with a huge field goal, that place got eerily silent as that ball was kicked and in the air. It was spooky hearing that many people hold their breath at the same time.
The first time we went, I think in 97, dad decided we should go hang out with the members of The Nation for tailgating. Probably he was hoping to not get me beaten to a pulp in my Silver & Black, but we walked up to a group of my brothers and sisters of The Nation and they welcomed us with open arms and we were soon treated like long lost relatives. Good food, a few beers and laughing and before long dad is chatting car stuff with the guys about their tricked out black rides. Now if you asked me what a middle aged white guy could possibly have in common with guys he would have avoided because they "look like gang bangers", I would not have thought it possible. But gearheads love their rides.
The Raiders were known as embracing outcasts, misfits and oddballs, our experience with Raider Nation was exactly the same.
Telesco is the yin to Pierces yang. In that sense they're perfect for each other. Also, we got Champ Kelly in place and Telesco did not care we had the coach already in place. Hiring head coaches and late round drafting was obviously Telesco's biggest misses. Late round drafting has not been our problem. The first 2 rounds have been a huge problem for us recently.
What I did notice is you mentioned Joe Philbin as the senior offensive assistant. Joe Philbin is a master of the 5 man protection scheme. We need to get better at this so we can play Bowers, Meyers, Mayer and Adams at the same time. 5 man protection is something we were not very good at last year.
Happy to see you mentioned Malcom Koonce. Across from Crosby Koonce is the talk of Raider nation, he's in the last year of his rookie contract and he's about to blow up big time. He had 8 sacks in 9 games under Pierce. Adams finished last year over 1000 yards with Jimmy Grapes, Brian Hoyer and O'Connell throwing him the football. He did drop some passes late last year, this should not be overlooked.
I'm pretty sure they led the league in max-protect, chips and least amount of players actually being available to catch passes. I think this issue is probably the most important one for our offense it'll effect our run-pass balance a hell of a lot too. This is a difficult team to try and project for I could make a case for 6-7 wins and I could make a case for 10-11 wins just as easily. One thing i do know is how much I hated watching those bad defenses every week and how much more I enjoyed watching good defensive play for the most part. Us older Raider fans (i'm 59) remember things from the great past teams a little differently, it seems the younger fans thought we were always an explosive offensive team but it was always ball control and a solid rushing attack and always very good to great defenses. If you look at some of the numbers guys like Plunkett barely completed 50% of their passes even with the Raiders but we always had quick strike ability to even things out. I think this is the best roster since the early 2000s it's far from perfect, but there's enough talent to compete and the team is young. Hopefully AOC wins the job and shows his upside because Minshew is a good backup/plan b, but for the team to actually contend we need AOC to take the next step and continue to improve. If we can manage to play with leads our pass rush should terrorize teams without really good offensive lines and turn the ball over and get good field position. Full circle that's how we used to win all the time.
Getsy in the script versus Getsy after the script were two different coaches
I have to wonder how much his offense will change. Especially with help from Joe Philbin, Scott Turner and Rich Scangarello.
After week 5 of '22 where even Fields haters thought that his New Tendency to stop himself throwing to wide-open receivers mid-throw was a coaching decision, Eberflus tried to silence reporters asking him about this by (I kid you not) slashing his arm in a chop-wave motion like an Angry Dad. After 3 weeks of this Fields _finally_ called out his coaches publicly.
A little too late. But Eberflus didn't know that & in his panic allowed Getsy to call the offense with less interference. Eberflus *had boasted about* meddling in the offense which was why the reporters were hounding him, not Getsy.
Weeks 8-10 the Bears led the NFL in offense. Their #1 WR was a guy known for dropping passes that hit him in the hands. #2 was Chase Claypool who tended to avoid this problem by running the wrong routes. Yet with that & a supposed bust QB Getsy led a league with Allen/Diggs Tua/Tyrrek in offense. So he might be great.
I'm disappointed that these guys aren't telling _ME_ this. Also, why tf do they think Minshew will be the starter? The only way the Raiders will know if they need to draft a QB next year is to see what they have in AOC _this_ year with a better receiving corps.
It's not like they're going to contend with Minshew, so why start him?
@EAFSQ9 if Fields makes it on the Field this year we get a sense of was Getsy holding Fields back with his terrible play calling or was Fields holding Getsy back by limiting what plays could be called due to his deficiencies. Because clearly the Raiders didn't believe Getsy was the problem. He didn't have to go back to being a QB coach and he was hired pretty quickly in the cycle.
@@stephend3459 I don't know about fields... early reports out of Pittsburgh suggest Fields is absolutely dogshit.
@EAFSQ9 I've watched every snap of his NFL career and despite some exciting plays that tracks with what I saw. The amount of times he starts to throw only to change his mind and take a sack was infuriating. He'll have his obligatory great play for ESPNs top ten on sport center and that'll be it for the game.
The Raiders have a great foundation to build on. If they find a good QB and OC (or maybe Getsy really improves lol, crazier things have happened), plus a couple other pieces, 2025 could see the rise of Raider Nation again. Looking forward to seeing how they look this year
Physically dominated the broncos, chargers and chief's on the back half of the AFC West schedule. All with an interim coach. Reinvested money and draft picks into dominant lineman on both sides of the ball. Raiders are focused on finalizing their identity under pierce. Physical, consistent and disciplined. They will beat the Broncos and Chargers in AFC West rankings. They will give the Chief's hell.
I sure as hell hope so but objectively there is a chance it could go sideways. I have a sneaky suspicion that AOC is better than a lot of people realize and the coaching staff already knows that.
Also, I have to wonder how much of an input getsy will have as OC. With the addition of Joe Philbin as senior offensive assistant, as well as having Marv Lewis as Assistant HC, I think that Getsy's offense might be augmented significantly. Don't forget Scott Turner and Rich Scangarello are there too.
LETS GOOOO BEEN WATCHING EACH VIDEO WAITING FOR THIS ONE. We are funky as hell but should be fun. Excited to see what y'all have to say.
The Black Hole was how it was in Oakland. Las Vegas is a TOTALLY Different enviroment. Go to games at the Black Hole with Chiefs or Broncos gear and you would fear for your life. Now you go to Algenent and its Arrowhead Desert Casino Resort stadium totally different things.
May be better for visiting fans. Raiders fans in berserker mode is certainly a scenario I would love to avoid.
Profit > tradition for the owners. ALWAYS. It's the one thing about the NFL that you can expect to stay constant
Love ya Brett & EJ. I think Tre Tucker is going to surprise you. Davante has talked unbelievably high of him. I definitely think 800 yards is a real possibility
Everybody sleepin on him. He has the speed to change outcomes of games
He has speed and route running. Look at him at the end of the year he had crazy separation
Ah; the EnigMystDary. John Madden used to have that made for thanksgiving.
I’m just going to say I’m sold on Patrick Graham and the defense he made Patrick play the worst game I’ve ever seen him play as a Chief and I’m a Chiefs fan
Patrick Graham is fine. Antonio Pierce on the other hand...? What does that guy even do besides be a glorified cheerleader and make absolutely zero sense when he talks about building his team🤣🤣🤣🤦
@@kevincurnickhuh? Antonio peirce is a Super Bowl champion and lead one of the best defenses in recent post season history. You should maybe check his resume, you are clearly 12 saying something uninformed like that.
@@lucrative6477 I said least experienced "COACH" smart guy. He failed miserably at Arizona State had one year of linebacker coach experience in the NFL. I'm fully aware he's a super bowl champion linebacker that has nothing to do with being an experienced coach 🤣🤦 You clearly need to read questions and comprehend things before you go making comments. Sheesh
@@kevincurnick we’ll see I liked the freedom he gave Graham if he starts interfering then ill agree with you that pierce could be a problem
Where was that defense vs Bagent ?
Extremely weird take to say they’re neutral relative to last year. Brock Bowers, Christian Wilkins, JPJ? That’s an upgrade. We got rid of McDaniels for AP, tom telesco has already shown he makes good decisions in the draft and free agency, and Luke Getsy is (admittedly bad) but he’s a serious OC, better than anything we had last year (pre and post McDaniels).
Also AOC is starting over Minshew. That’s not a hot take, that’s according to everyone that watched preseason training so far. The defense is going to feast and the offense has more weapons and offensive line skill than they had last year.
Floor is 8-9, ceiling is 11-6. We just need Getsy to be adequate.
Vikings fan, but these are the highlight of my week. I love every episode and I have watched everything. Appreciate you, Brett! Been watching you since you had 6k subscribers doing Amari Cooper/Jalen Collins breakdowns. Love EJ, super innovative and gives great football perspective and analysis. QBS is a beautiful system. Keep up the good work guys!
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Can't wait for the NFC North episodes...
I've been a raider fan all my life I'm 56 now I get it we have a lot to prove having said that don't compare us to the donkeys I believe in Aiden I know I know whhhhaaaat the kid is smart and he's a hard worker and most important no drama
The defense will be good enough to keep them in games but at the end of the day their offense isn’t good enough to get the win and they finish with 7,8,9 wins in the season
Nailed it.
I think they're going to be the menace of the division. Much like last year. Just getting into slugfests with the likes of the Chiefs, and beating the hell out of these QBs.
Violent, if not middling. A true homage to the raiders of old.
Most likely true but AOC might be better than a lot of people think. I went back and watched some of his college games and he really was a totally different player than the average fan thinks he is. I thought he was too averse to making risky throws but I think that was the coaching staff because in school he was more of a reckless gunslinger type that needed help reeling in some of those throws and learning to get rid of the ball instead of making so many risky throws. He also moved around in the pocket much better than he showed last year, so again I think that was a coaching decision. He looked at his first 2 reads and was told not to make a throw if they're not open. Does any of this mean he's going to be a good pro? No one knows but I do like his arm and accuracy and it's entirely possible he ends up a good pro QB. He stayed at the facility all off season and also transformed his body to get in NFL shape so he did what he could do. We should find out by games 6-7 if he has a shot and if it doesn't work out Minshew isn't a terrible plan b and it's back to the drawing board for next year. That was the best we could do without doing something reckless and stupid and they made the right decision as far as i'm concerned.
@@jameshannagan4256 what did he look like against Ohio state and Michigan those team who have nfl players on them bc I don’t care what a player did against bad teams with no good player on them ( not saying he’s bad or he only beat up on bad team I just never watch him )
@@zlowfrm1300 He threw for over 500 yds against Michigan and for the record he wasn't on a good team either. He took Perdue to 2 big 10 championships on a team with very few NFL players. He was a reckless gunslinger in college and that was the knock on him going into the draft. Watch the PFF post draft show for 2023 both guys had mostly positive things to say about him and that he'd have a shot in the NFL to play. He moved around the pocket pretty well too. I'm not saying he's going to be a star or anything, just that he's better than a lot of fans think he is. He transformed his body a la Brady, and spent the entire off season at our facility so the staff likes him for a reason.
1. O'Connell is the starter, not Minshew.
2. The Chargers have been offseason champs for 10 years now due to their "talent". Every year they're predicted to be great and "loaded". No idea where this lack of talent argument is coming from. Bosa, Derwin, Mack, Herbert, Allen, Slater, Samuel, etc. Telesco had the Chargers loaded with talent every year.
Facts, Telesco drafted super bowl talent in Los Angeles and in Las Vegas he crushed his first draft and signed the best free agent in Wilkins. Secondly he's not in charge of the salary cap for the Raiders.
I think they meant depth overall as a team, but I agree with you, everyone talked about the “talent” from this team for years. I guess cause it hasn’t worked, it’s suddenly a factor.
Vegas odds show minshew as day 1 starter...
@darthmauleatinyoicecream3675 watching the games, AP stated he's the starter, Davate wants AOC as the qb, and AOC was second in rookie qb stats only to CJ Stroud. Had AOC entered the draft in 2022, he'd have been a 1st round draft pick.
@@darthmauleatinyoicecream3675 odds mean nothing. AP has said it's O'Connell's job, all beat writes have said it's his job, and Adams said today he thinks it's his job.
I respect you guys. I’ve been watching your draft coverage for a couple years now. I think you are fair about Getsy and QB, but to diminish our elite defense like you did, I’ll be sure to remind you how wrong you were later! Lastly, I think you give Telesco too much blame for the disastrous Chargers team composition. Their ownership and coaching was absolute garbage for lack of a better word. The offseason of Bowers, JPJ, and Wilkens shows more evidence that the chargers chargered for many more reasons than coupon Tom. Thanks though for finally covering my Raiders! Keep up the quality content. Hey where was the bourbon fellas!?😂
Disagree on Brett’s assessment of Defense, they have the horses and added to it.
Tom Telesco has already spoken about how easy it is to be the GM of the raiders because Pierce has a vision of exactly the type of guys he wants at every position group
Not enough people realize how important that is, way too many teams end up with what Al used to call a dog pound, a little of this a little of that. It does make a GMs job much easier and TT wouldn't be the first GM to have more success on his 2nd job it happens a lot. That's one thing the Raiders always had, a clear vision of what the team is supposed to look like. That issue has ruined a lot of otherwise good GMs who were actually good at drafting talent. It doesn't help when there's a lot of turnover all the time either. I have hope (finally) that the team is actually headed in the right direction and now they have to stick with the plan and draft smart and manage the cap well. I'm impressed with Telesco's off season moves and draft we finally have some depth at a lot of positions although i'd like to see another move at CB.
If the Raiders offense is even decent I think Maxx Crosby is my pick to win DPOY tbh
"LET ME DREAM, KOLLMANN!" Love it lol
This season for the raiders reminds me of the one where the chargers gifted them a playoff berth. Hired an interim HC, made the playoffs, added star talent in the offseason, everyone was riding the high into the next year and whop whop whop reality sets in and they win like 5 games
Yeah that is the way I'm looking at this Raiders team. Sort of like the 2022 Giants season where variance played a huge role in their success despite being middling in terms of roster talent and performance. In 2023 the variance didn't do them favors along with the injuries and they went from winning 9 games to 6. I just hope AP is still the guy the franchise/players believe in by the time week 9 rolls along.
They difference is that we have a really good defense that should have us in every game. I'm not one of those fans that thinks we'll win every year but just on our roster alone we'll be better than last year. It really comes down to QB play like everyone keeps saying (for once they're right). AOC doesn't have to throw for 4500 yards but he needs to move the chains and play with a lead more often so our defense can get turnovers and good field position. If the offense can be efficient and not turn the ball over I could see 10-11 wins but I can also see 6-8 wins as well. This really is a difficult team to make predictions about but i'm happy it'll be fun to watch defense again.
@@jameshannagan4256 sounds like you know what you’re talking about. They got a ton of weapons at skill positions on the offensive side of the ball. O’Connell is decent but I don’t see that o line helping him be any better. Especially if you watch the bears o line woes last season. You need talent to overcome mediocre coaching or good coaching to overcome mediocre talent. The best case for that offense to succeed, I think, is to play a simple even if predictable offense and let the talent outplay the opponent when they can. We’ll see what they do tho
I came from Spotify to say that Luke Getsy would line them up in 3 by 1 and throw a smoke screen to Jacobi Myersbackside
Great episode on my Raiders! 🏴☠️
Im super hyped about the defense, but ima pray for that offense lol
"Don't worry about our quarterback, worry about yours" - AP.
RAAAIIIDDEERRRSS!!! 🏴☠️🔥🏴☠️🔥
Dak coming to the Raiders is not throwing us a bone.
Aiden Oconeell in year two is gonna take off! He’s gonna be considered one of the top QB’s in the league after this year. Look what he did as a rookie, thrust into a chaotic starting role and he still succeeded and won games people thought he wouldn’t. I see major growth coming from Aiden O’Connell
Raiders fan here, got to say I can’t remember the last time I’ve been this excited for a season.
Telesco drafts/signs players based off what his coaching staff wants/needs. JC Jackson was all Staley's decision. He was the best hire/fit for what we have going. He had a Chargers team for years that was set for a Superbowl run in two different eras with Rivers and Herbert, just couldn't get it done with the staff IMO.
Way too much focus on minshew. AOC is the guy and he will be better than people expect. Sneaky wildcard team.
Lol
As a Raiders fan I just want to see the defense play tough and the offense make me not want to rip my hair out
We’ll see, I really like Brock Bowers and JPJ so they tried their best to make something of that offense
I won’t take the raider serious until they have a legit franchise QB
Is Luke Getsy better than Bo Hardegree running someone else’s offense? Cmon now
Brett when we getting the Maxx Crosby film breakdown
Brett with the fucking Rob Lowe hat but Charger jacket is hilariously ironic.
Gardner Minshew is like the best backup QB in the NFL. It's a little unfortunate that he's started so many games.
Josh McDaniels and his Patriot Way messed up our season last year. We are a better team with way better personnel this year.
In fairness to Getsy his qb was kick returner who held the ball for an eternity. The plays were there.
In fairness to fields, he’ll never be a kick returner. He isn’t good enough to do that either.
From weeks 8-10, using a completely different set of plays, Fields led the NFL in offense with a #1 WR who couldn't catch passes th-cam.com/video/glpaya0xz-4/w-d-xo.html that hit him in the hands & Chase Claypool. Weeks 11 & 14-17 of '23 they returned to using those plays again & what a surprise, the team fared better.
In between those streaks the Bears returned to calling plays that were known to fail & halved the offensive production. _HOW_ tf is that on Fields?
You The Fans tend to be highly selective about when you apply the blame game. Trevor Lawrence's o-line sucks & he had Urban Meyer. So? Fields had play-callers that *intentionally returned to failed plays & an o-line whose players actively ran away from th-cam.com/video/FiiK21VzI_o/w-d-xo.html their blocks. *How is **_that POSSIBLY_** the QB's fault?*
& if you want to dismiss Fields' offensive streaks as flukes by all means, point to how often crappy QBs lead the entire NFL in that for 3 weeks straight? How come in a league with Allen/Diggs, Burrow/élite WR trio, Tua/Tyreek & *Mahomes/Tyreek* neither other known busts like Zach Wilson have such streaks, _nor did Mahomes Tyreek ever have any?_
There is no fairness to Getsy. He's a below average coordinator. His passing concepts are abysmasl. He gave Fields more opportunities to run and Fields cracked 1000 yards. Then he decided.... To not run the ball with Justin Fields.
HOW DID YOU EXPECT THIS SEASON TO GO GETSY!!!!!!
I have more faith in the actual and potential talent of the Raiders weapons on offense (Adams/Bowers/Jakobi Meyers/Mayer) and their improving O-line than what Getsy can get out of these guys.
@@choosecarefully408 So they traded him for a future 6th round pick and drafted a QB first overall? Does that make any sense to you delusional Bears fans? He sucks objectively and I can honestly say that because I could care less about the Bears. He can't get the ball out on time to the correct reads which is only the most important skill a QB can have. I get it he's a good kid and was put in an untenable situation at times, but he failed big time and really didn't show any signs of improvement over the course of 3 years. I don't think he's a starting QB in the NFL and it didn't help playing in that high school offense in college. There's a reason they couldn't even get a 6th round pick in this years draft for him. Some of the stuff i'm hearing sounds like the same stuff they said about Carr all the time although he was at least a decent pro. I never root against good kids like Fields and I hope i'm wrong but this scenario is a constant replay all over the NFL for all the years iv'e been a fan (i'm 59). I do think the kid you drafted could be a star though he reminds me a lot of Mahomes including the negative aspects and he should sit for a year just like he did. I'm sure he won't sit though so the cycle continues to play out. Who would start if he didn't if you don't mind me asking, and would he hold the fort if they decided to take it slow with Williams?
I gotta say, I like the full breakdown of Raiders off season. I will say I think a lot of people are sleeping on AOC, there’s something there you can see it. We know what Minshew is, we still don’t know Aidan O’Connell’s ceiling
When Brett talks about Luke Getsy all i can think of is the QB School episodes on Justin weeks 1 and 2 lol
Adams will probably be the biggest difference for Getsy's offense this season - he is expecting the Packer offense he has all that experience in, and I think we can all be damn sure that he will offer "input" if it's not looking right.
Would love to see a great QB work with those TEs in LV soon.
Fields' lack of work ethic and professionalism has been well noted. As with so many athletes with loads of physical talents, he's not as open to coaching as he needed to be. Aidan O'Connell brings that underdog work ethic that will serve him well in the NFL. Fields will likely bounce around the league and never amount to much if he doesn't change his attitude.
From all accounts he's actually supposed to be a good kid with a good work ethic. It's so hard to succeed in the NFL when you played in a high school offense like Fields did, it's like learning how to play QB all over again against the best athletes in the world.
Raiders fan here, I think this was a fair evaluation, I liked it. My hope is they are like Marvin lewis ravens D and we can crush it but that’s an optimistic fan before season as I think all fans should be now
As a highly respectable outlet for football info and as one of y’all’s big fans, how is oconnell not even really talked about. He took over mid year with arguably the worst coach in the last 10 years. Still had positive record and positive throwing numbers but is shoved under the rug for some reason WHY??
But will Levis is talked about like this high key upside qb. Where is this talk for oconnell who outperformed every rookie qb but stroud
Some crazy jakobi meyers disrespect here, best value pick fantasy wise on that team. WR24 in half ppr last year!!! Brock Bowers is awesome yes, yes hes a move TE, yes he will take some volume away from jakobi but jakobi isnt a slot guy anymore. He was an outside receiver last year for a majority of his snaps and absolutely proved his skill out there, he was so awesome. Dude makes an obsene amount of contested catches, far more than you think. 2nd best weapon on the team even with Brock
As a Pats fan the Raiders won out signing Jakobi Meyers. Pats paid JuJu the same amt of money as Meyers to do a similar role. JuJu can't even complete a full season while Jakobi was active for nearly the rest of the season. But also Jakobi is at his best being WR2/3.
@@t4d0W Which is what he should be this year I think Tucker and Bowers will see a good amount touches and it has to come at the expense of someone. I do know when they are on the field with 2 TEs and Meyers they should be able to get some leverage in the run game which we couldn't do last year. I saw 8 men in the box on first and second down an awful lot last year and Jacob's got hit a lot at or near the LOS. I think this offense should be able to play ball-control and be effective on play-action passes. Is that going to be enough with a very good defense and STs? I don't know the answer but it will certainly be better than last year.
I like the two tight end sets, just gives them a unique thing defenses have to account for, hard to have two tight end erasers
As a raiders fan, i think this football team is going to shock everyone. I have never felt so strongly about a team we put forward. The only position im worried about is right tackle.
Also rob leonard is going to be an epic coach
11-6 season 🏴☠️
O’Connell 3,857 passing yards
White 1,278 rushing
Adams 1,560 receiving yards
Meyers 1,010 receiving yards
I don't even think he'll pan out to even be better than Carr was, but it'd be crazy to think Gardner Minshew is gonna be Week 1 starter. AP seems like a real "dance with the one that brought you" type, and he'll start O'Connell until he gives him reason not to. O'Connell will have to just completely shit his pants a few weeks in a row before they start Minshew. I'd be absolutely shocked if Minshew is named the starter out the gate.
He's getting paid a good chunk for a backup. Especially after almost clinching a wildcard for the Colts. Raiders should've used that money elsewhere but chose to grab him. Most likely he's starting.
@@samuelblackwell3762 They paid Jimmy 10 mil more and said "we've seen enough." I don't think money is the issue here
@@shortestwidereceiver is isn't but production is and he's the best situation over what y'all had post Carr.
I wouldn't be shocked but surprised and with young QBs you have to display patience which has not been one of our strengths lately.
@@samuelblackwell3762 I still think he's plan b but the situation is pretty fluid.
Ppl on the outside thinking Minshew will start over AOC is funny
All of you Raiders fans being SO convinced it would be AOC was funny 😂😂😂
Having a better offensive line and defensive line does a long way.
Bootleggin' the Raiders BABY!
The sad reality is the offense doesn't have to be good to be significantly improved over last year.
You guys have me intrigued about this team’s potential😯
I agree that bad play calling can kill a team. As a Charger fan I can relate to bad play calls. Ex. It’s 3 and 3 and the offensive line has been getting pushed back but let’s go ahead and be predictable and send a RB up
The middle and let’s send a small running back to boot.
Laughing at all the comments that were so convinced AOC would be the starter 😂
We’re a fringe playoff team, who is about to have a top 3 defense, and just needs the offense to be good enough. One of the biggest parts of the team playing better under AP was the growth of young guys. If we get some more growth, we are a 10 win team vying for a WC, but I think the floor is 8-9
The fact you guys can't mention even mention any other DLinemen other than Maxx or Wilkins kinda proves y'all don't know much about team. As far as Telesco, it's been documented the LAC owners like to override things. Stay smug
The addition of Wilkins will enable the Raiders to be much more effective when they stunt and if Malcom Koonce is as good as I think he is their defense will not be fun for anyone to play against. Returning 10 starters should also enable them to be more effective when they do more exotic things if they manage to hold up at CB they should have one of the better defenses in the league.
I do feel like Telesco being under Spanos needs to be stated a bit. Nothing but bad stories you hear about their ownership. Time will tell though.
Some of the drafting credit should also go to Champ Kelly. He really seems to be a solid personnel guy.
The emphasis of “strictly on the field” when comparing players to Hernandez & Incognito got a decent chuckle out of me
The Raiders are gonna be trouble for whoever they play.
Telesco drafts well in the first round. The Raiders have been lacking that. Also, management was behind spending big money last year. They thought they had a roster to push for a Super Bowl and tried to get Khalil Mack and JC Jackson. From my understanding to let go, had his hand strapped when it came to salary cap decisions. Chargers had a good roster Herbert, Derwin, James Keenan Allen, Mike Williams Joey Bosa. Injuries and bad coaching is what hurt the chargers.
Mark Davis chose telesco because he had a lot of experience. He didn’t want to pair a first time head coach with a first time gm. I’m with you tho it was a bit of a head scratcher
AOC half the season starts as a rookie 3rd string under a dumpster fire 12 tds 7 interceptions 2200 yards.
Garner Minshews ' pro bowl ' season 15 tds 9 interceptions 3300 on an entire season.
? What are we talking about here haha you give Aidan a shot. If Aidan was with any other team the media would be talking about his potential in another light.
As you alluded to at the top of the episode, Raiders fans have been waiting 25 years for something special. I been one of those fans. I have learned to be patient; so personally I don’t need the Raiders to win the Division and make a SB run this year. Honestly probably not going down like that this year. But I am expecting this team to better than they have been in years past. That’s a low bar. So I’m ready for improvement
Bucs won a SB with Brad Johnson. Ravens with Dilfer. Not likely, but possible. Great content. Thank you.
Their second TE is not better than their 3rd WR. Fields doesn't know how to adjust at the line of scrimmage. Getsy was the pass game coordinator for both of Adams best seasons in TDs and yards. Also who the hell is Bam? You making players up?
I agree with most of your evaluation, but I disagree with your assessment of the qb room. AOC does not play the same game as Minshew. He takes care of the ball better and focuses on winning from within the pocket. He's also more accurate. I think he wins the job to start the year. The offense might be less explosive with him at the helm, but they're not gonna turn it over as often.
The stink of McDaniels--it'll take a minute to air out, but Vegas is on the right track. JUST. BE. PATIENT.
There's no team more balanced than the Raiders right now. Ain't no tight rope, they're about to stomp and they got depth
The comments defending Luke Getsy's abysmal play calling in the comments are insane
Can only do so much with an mf at qb that can’t read the field and set his feet when he throws a football ..
He was hired to fix fields. Not run his offense. I’m still one foot in and one foot out as a raiders fan tho but I think he deserves one more chance and like Brett said now that they’re separated we’ll see who’s fault it really was
@@sebastianmendez3335 at least we have a guy that can throw the football set his feet and read the field man
@@madmaxxcrosby I hope so man. If the offense can click then we’ll crush that 10 win ceiling
The high and low is volatile because if Oconnell has a 95-98 passer rating and 28 tds they can win 11 games. If he plays bad and they trade Davante they might win 4-5.
I think the draft shows that Telesco and AP are on the same page - it was an amazing draft (except Glaze, perhaps), and all of them are "leave it all on the field" AP guys. Also, from what I understand, Telesco wasn't in charge of the contracts in LA.
All the reports from the mini-camps have been pretty positive about Glaze so far so we'll see.
Will you gents be at either week1 LAC vs LV or week 3 LV vs CAR.
Would love to crack a cold one with yall for a few mins! 🍻
I love my Raiders friends. Wearing my Rivers jersey twice a year is always fun when kicking it with the boys. Lotta beer and smack talk to end it with a hand shakes and some hugs. It’s a game everyone and the Chargers will win them both this year 😂😂⚡️⚡️
I always appreciate your insight, however I think the bulk of your analysis is flawed. By all accounts the QB is Aiden's job to lose. I would love to hear your opinion if Aiden develops into an above average QB, how would that affect your analysis?
I feel like Graham will implement a little more exotic stuff this year to mix it up a bit
Wilkins is deadly on stunts so I would expect to see that a lot.
And I'm not a big Tom Telesco fan. But y'all are bugging! He loaded the Chargers with talent, the whole 11 years he was there. 2 studs on their oline, 2 studs at WR, plus good backups, star safety, Boss/Mack, a QB that y'all seen to believe is something special ect... Where did he go wrong? JC Jackson was a failure, not because of Telesco. They did to him the same thing that Philly did to Nnamdi Asomugha! Picked him up cause he played great in one system. Then put him in a totally different system, and blamed him cause it didn't work!
Rashawn Slater was a gimme pick in 2021 where LT had two legit prospects. Guess who the Raiders reached in the first round for an O-line guy? Keenan Allen is a nice big slot receiver he alone couldn't carry the pass game even with Herbert. Mike Williams and Bosa may be nice but being injured doesn't help their case. Mack came via trade and most likely influenced by Staley looking to add his own guys to make the Chargers defense cohesive. He also chose Zion Johnson in 2022 in the first round which was a gimme pick. Then took defense and an RB past those rounds where none of those guys have actually produced even in a depth role. He has many of those draft years in his tenure with the Chargers. Thing is JC Jackson wasn't just Telesco's miss in drafts/FA. The D-line assembled under Staley's era was Austin Johnson (injured)/Joseph Day/Morgan Fox and you wonder why they can't stop the run? Morgan Fox is valued as a good run defender but he's also sub 300 lbs. Fucking Kenneth Murray was still playing reps because nobody in the depth was promising enough to play him out. Y'all act like Telesco doesn't have 10+ years as a GM for misses but focus on the hits that many good GMs pull twice over. Fuck Jerry Jones has built a better roster worthy of being overrated than Telesco has in the same frame.
@@t4d0W They still had talent on their roster, more than we had that's for sure. He didn't do so well selecting head coaches although sometime the owners have a big say in who the head coaches are. He seemed to do well with picks in rounds 1-2 but struggled in rounds 3-7 and sometimes picking the BPA is underrated as hell. The year in which we drafted at 4th overall and twice in the 20s killed us their were plenty of offensive lineman we could have picked but we ended up drafting them in later drafts and they busted anyway.
I'll never understand the Ferrell, Arnette and Leatherwood picks there were plenty of good players available. Freaking Leatherwood couldn't even play guard which is insane for a OT and they passed over the guy the Vikings picked (Darrow I think) who everyone kept saying was BPA.
You've heard of the Turducken, now we've got the Enigsterdary
Great video. As a person who covers all teams I’m impressed with your analysis, as I, a raiders fan who follows the team quite closely I was surprised by the tolesco hire as well as the getsy hire I’m even more unhappy with. Telesco at least hit some picks (all gms miss it seems). So I agree with you there. I think the change in culture with AP hopefully will bring everyone together and give the whole squad a boost, and I feel the roster got improvements without any positions groups really falling off. The qb play I feel like AOC has a shot to start I’d be curious to hear more from you guys on him, as you undoubtedly watch more film than me. I don’t see why he can’t get better, it seems like we won some games and had a few good games for a rookie coming into a rough situation I have some hope for him. Should be interesting I agree more with the guy that put our floor at 6 wins ceiling at 10! Good analysis was interesting to hear about some of the lesser known hires like offensive line, and Joe Philbon (offensive assistant). Chears boys enjoy the season… oh ya one more thing… RRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDEERZ!!!!!
Video invalidated by no mention of Aidan O'connell. He is the true X factor. He is the antithesis of what they envision for Minshew, tossing the ball up into harms way.