An Overview of Switzerland's M70 & M83 Uniforms and Their Red Camouflage Pattern
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- Another supplemental video in which we go into some of the finer details of Switzerland's M70 and M83 uniforms such as their many, many pockets.
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All the things...!
I'd always laughed at this red camo-until my son acquired a couple sets of this. Unbelievably, this camo works great ! Better than a lot of other patterns. It is great for wooded areas- all seasons.
Agreed. I was skeptical until I got a set, it's fantastic in deciduous forests. This pattern does not deserve its reputation.
The human eye does a really bad job of discerning red when intermixed into camouflage. It tends to take on the look of the surroundings instead of appearing as red to your eye -- it's really weird.
It's almost like red is a primary color that makes up many other colors found in nature... hmmm...
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Joke´s on you, I am colorblind. Looks fairly brown to me!
Allegedly carbonate is less effective against colourblind people.
Bullshit how do you know what brown is?
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Easy, its the color of the sky!
Holy hell hahahah
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These used to be dirt cheap and the amount of variation among the individual pieces was amazing. I've been to the old SwissLink warehouse in Paradise Caifornia and they had thousands of these sets. You'd pick five jackets and they were all different in some way- modified, padding added here or there, sleeves and pant legs shortened, waists taken in, you name it. Many would have padding in the bottom of the big pockets in the back of the jacket made from wild fabrics obviously added by wives or girlfriends. The really nice part of the Swiss stuff is A) the camo works better than you might think, and B) if you're a bigger guy, you can find it in your size since the Swiss serve till their 40s so they come in "grown up man" sizes (instead of 18 year old kid size). Also, pockets!
No girls or wifes have made modifications as they were corps materials only distributed when entering in service.
It still in arsenals until men were mobilized
Personally, I love all the big pockets on the M70 jacket The fabric is heavy duty though I have removed the arms and the large back pocket to make them lighter and cooler unless using it for winter gear! The backpack works well with the side pockets large enough to carry two-quart soda bottles! The M70 pants are pretty baggie but they work well as cold weather over pants! I got lucky and bought a bunch for $5 per jacket and $1 per backpack. I wear glasses so I really like the attached hood with the face cover though i find that I need to wear a ball cap to keep the 'generous' hood out of my face when not using the face cover! If I need to carry more gear, I just add a shoulder bag which the rank strap keeps in place!
the pattern is still being used on tent tarps, which are still in service. so the swiss army hasn't completly phased it out
Since 2016 the army yeet the tarps out of service, so i heard xD
@@Berkut-0001 I did my RS in 2017 and last WK just in january, definetely still used and not being thrown away, the even older angled pattern are also still used.
@@LeonardoFSI yea this would be a step by step progress, thats also the reason why they never produced "taz90" woodland patterns tarp and still use the old ones.
@@Berkut-0001 maybe with the new one they will, I doubt tho, even if not for tent, they are very useful for mundane things anyway.
@@LeonardoFSI yea sure, the army will use them till they ripp off and then throw them away, and probably some go to the liquidations, btw i was in the RS 2010 and we used them as tarp, under blanket oder blanket for cleaning stuff on it.... Probarbly they would use it for this may longer, but it means they probably never would get new ones.. In 90 camo oder the newer MBAS multicamish camo.
The all in one concept in the first uniform pattern seems like a good idea for a reserve based army like Switzerland's. Less kit to issue, you don't have to worry about people not bring everything to drills, and in the event of rapid mobilization all you have to do is put on your uniform. On the downside I'm sure it was uncomfortable and inflexible. It was probably a better idea to issue out a standalone kit and hope the reservist don't lose it.
It's not like that today the entering service uniform is the camouflaged Taz 90
Back in years, we entering service /war mobilization in tenue B
Woolen all Green coat, pant of same pattern fabric.
We distributed the corps material only when men are in their mobilization places.
It was, camouflaged clothes with helmet cover, sleeping bag, foam mattress, exercise/or sealed combat gas mask filter. Leather protective cover for shoes.
I own a M83 jacket and wear it as my moderate weather jacket. I had genuinely no idea that Supreme sold them, but I do get lots of complements on it!
If I can find one I’d definitely grab it asap if it’s in good enough shape my bdu is getting really faded now plus if I can find the m70 I’ll be able to carry everything in the jacket which would be nice since I like to hike
I was issued this uniform in the Canadian army when I was in an enemy force role in 2006. We spent a 7 days doing ambushes in the mountains near Kamloops. I loved the pockets and I lived out of that shirt. Food, water, magazines, everything!
in 2006 wearing alpenflage, I have to ask, who were you mimicking? US Militias?
They tend to just kinda use whatever random uniforms they can source cheaply for those types of drills. It isn't really to imitate a specific foe, it is just to look different.
@@eanschaan9392 yeah in the Swiss army we use desert DPM for Opfor units to this day.
The US uses tiger stripe camo for opfor.
Ive used the Swiss Alpenflauge as a Hunter here in the Arctic, and I assure you, the dull red of the camo is VERY effective, as green summer is breif. A Red Fox can blend in quite well.....
Holy shit, it’s basically like they put everything they could possibly think of on the uniform.
It was fitting the militia doctrine to have citizens ready for war in 24/48h.
Occupying the land we need to have capability to stay there for a week or two in an autonomous formations.
Very cool how modular and ahead of their time these uniforms were. Great video
Swiss don't get enough credit they're ahead of the curve when it comes to field gear.
That inventory of the intended purpose of all the pockets and fasteners makes this one of the best uniform videos I've ever seen. Great job!
I'm swiss and did my Army time in the 90is so I used the Taz90. I remember my Dad's Army time when I was a kid when he used the "4 Frucht Pajama"... It's indeed a swiss Army knife version of a uniform, heavy as well but comfortable and useful for that time of used gear. Greetz from Switzerland
Good run-through! I used to have a set back in the 90's myself, I think I bought a whole set with backpack and helmet cover from US Cavalry for something like $25. But I'm surprised you didn't discuss the origin of the camo pattern: the 3rd Reich. In 1945, Germany was going to issue a universal fatigue uniform designed to be worn over the wools (to replace the Heer's Splinter & the Waffen-SS patterns), in a pattern with colors very close to this... and I'm sure the Swiss saw this later and ran with it. "Leibermuster" is the name of the original German pattern, at least in collector circles.
This would be great hunting in the oak scrub forests around here in the fall, when the leaves have faded to a reddish-brown.
I have experience with it in that kind of environment, and it works very well.
Eastern United States deciduous forests in the fall. Especially from a treestand.
Seeing all those buttons and clips makes me wonder how often soldiers got snagged on camo netting. (BDU cuff and waistband tab buttons were snag magnets)
In my experience the pattern is quite exceptional in fall conditions in deciduous forests.
Love the overview videos. A prefect companion to the uniform history! Can't wait to see more of these if you do them.
I had gotten one of the jackets at a surplus shop and have been trying to ever since figure out where it came from, so big thanks!
9:26 these were actually used to pull up the pants directly via loops on the pants. at least some of the older TAZ90 jackets still had that system. it puzzeled us during the service until someone told us. although newer version don't have the loops anymore
As far as I know only the Tenue B didn‘t have the loops. Every Tenue C I ever had had them.
@@Gurfi28 my Tenue B didn't have them aswell. But they are usually newer production uniforms
I remember watching your first video about this camo and uniforms with it and I bought some. I do not regret this at all and I was hoping you would make this video at some point! Now I know what my uniform’s many pockets/straps were for! Thanks!
I've been collecting as much of this uniforms variants that I can, I wear the "light" pants almost daily while out on the town and have been familiarizing myself with the larger heavier uniform as of late. This video was very nice to watch, thank you for the information.
It had always baffled me how much this camo is misunderstood. People never seem to consider colors at a basic level. Primary colors, contrast, optical mixing, etc... Red is a major component of brown, and orange. Two colors commonly found in woodland areas! Many don't realize ghillie suits made by professional snipers often include stands of red, purple, orange, and yellow material- in addition to the more obvious green and brown. There are many colors in nature of you look closely!
I have those pants and jacket, those pockets are amazing. Perfect fit for 6 30r rifle mags. I have 2 pairs of the pants, one with the suspenders, and one with the suspenders strap cut and sewn into belt loops. Great for going to the shooting range, and the whole getup is great for turkey hunting, especially with the waterproof materials.
Uniform History should do a video on the Czech Republic salamander camo.. The clown camouflage
YES! yes they should.I have a jacket in that pattern and it is really something.
@@samuelbean9928 me too.. I have four myself in excellent condition.
Me three, one of my favourites!
Excuuuuuuse me, "the clown camouflage" is a trademark registered and used for the Belgian jigsaw pattern. Also registered: "the Ronald McDonald pattern".
Nice intro with the ACU delta pattern. Amazing find.
Alpenflage is my favorite of many cool camo patterns.
Excellent video. Our Tarn has many jokes, but try spotting it in the alps or forests in anything but pure snow and its not so easy. The old ones knew what they were doing. greetings, atb.
Superb review of top kit.. I love the camo pattern and use my jacket all the time
rokmc's wavepat camo might make a cool video! it's like a mix of your standard digital camo with tiger stripe. love the channel keep it up man
I really love these Clothes, so this Video is one of My favorites 👍 excellent!
Another great video!
Hmmm... very interesting. One point, though. I would not underestimate this pattern. I have seen people do it and be surprised, haha. I have seen it work. And you can see it work on some videos on the internet.
I went to our local surplus store a couple years ago and found a helmet cover in this pattern...and I love it! when I play nerf wars with my son and his friends, I use it often and it's amazing for my area. There are always dry underbrush, dead trees or pine needles. the red fits in magnificently!
Really neat videos keep it up! Regarding the patterns poor reputation for effectiveness, I understand that the pattern was chosen because Swiss military strategists were convinced that if the soviets were to attack during the cold war, it would take place in the Fall, thus their reason for choosing an autumn pattern, this seems to be the same cold war tactical choice the Belgians made by using a purple/yellow dominant pattern in their jigsaw.
If anyone is interested in these, Varusteleka has both the M83 and the M70 in stock right now, both for under 30 euros.
WOW that jacket is amazing. I wish I had purchased a mint one n=back when I had the chance.
Would LOVE a video on the history of the British Desert DPM uniform/camo
I remember seeing this uniform in a book I had as a kid about the worlds militaries, then in about 1994 or so it suddenly popped up all over Johannesburg, I bought a full set including the back pack from some strange little rave clothing shop in a strip mall in a small town I was working in...cost me less than a pair of SA Army Nutria Browns did from the Army & Navy surplus store I used to buy from...
I love my taz 57 shirt. I work at a gun/hunting store and it always sparks conversations
I can imagine that when that uniform gets wet, it must be bloody uncomfortable. Especially when fully loaded. Nothing can be adjusted. Having been in the British Army when we used 58 pattern webbing, there were infinite ways that it could be worn 'wrongly' yet far more comfortably. Bum roll was never clipped to where it was meant to be, but rather above the kidney pouches. People sometimes had two sets of kidney pouches. The ammo pouches I used to clip so they sloped backwards, thus making running and lying down more comfortable. The backpacks used to be left in barracks and we bought our own Bergens. But this Swiss stuff - I can see how you could easily stab yourself with magazines or grenades when lying down. And as for securing stuff so it doesn't rattle......!!!
Correction. On the jacket the three pockets at the back had the following functions. The right hand one was for the water bottle The middle one was for the mess tin and the left side one was Tor the gas mask,
The first version is a work of art.
This has become my favourite camouflage pattern of all time. I have the abundantly-pocketed jacket and two sets of tanker coveralls, all acquired in unissued condition. They are amazing and I will definitely buy more. Sad to see fashion companies marking them up and reselling because the world needs more of affordable, good quality clothes like so often found in old milsurp. I would actually be more embarrassed if someone though I was wearing a "Supreme" or whatever version as opposed to just plain surplus material.
The funny drawback of the tank coveralls, despite being otherwise well designed and made, is that they aren't fire retardant.
My second favorite pattern behind Flecktarn!👍😁
The pattern is not at all useless. In swiss woods, beech trees are super abundant due to them being very popular for logging.
Almost every square inch og ground is covered in dry beech leaves all year round and in those environements, the Alpenflage works absolutely magnificently.
I just got the whole setup for 60 dollars at this surplus store in Maine. Epic Win
I've got original shorts with Swiss military tags in them along with the later issue pants and jacket. From what I gathered the Swiss camo is popular among hunters in both Western Oklahoma and in varied parts of Texas.
It's fantastic in Eastern Oklahoma as well. The reds and browns blend very well with the fallen leaves in the forest.
I love these.
3:44 - there's a video of a soldier using that sleeve to carry the famous Swiss Army Knife.
you could smash your carry on baggage allowance on spirit with this jacket
I bought the top pants, and helmet cover and that's what I wear when occasionally play airsoft
I have the whole uniform the early model and I find it is well thought out and is quite effective in Pennsylvania in the fall and even for our brown out period Dec to march
Alpenflage is perfect for New England in the fall, when the leaves turn red. I have the field jacket with the knapsack, the light jacket and the tanker coverall, (which I particularly like for bowhunting.)
Great and informative videos as always.
Anyways.... can we have a video about Mexican uniforms?
Those tabs on the jacket (at least for the 83 ones) are not for a belt. As far as i am aware, at least we have been told so in the army, you shoved the jacket into the pants and hooked those tavs through the metal loops on the pants you mentiones for suspenders. The current uniform sometimes has them aswell (depending how old the one you get issued is)
US4CES series would be cool to see. It's used mostly by Mexico but I've heard of some contractor companies using it too.
So would Atacs FG, AU, FGX, AUX, and the middle of the road one which it's name escapes me.
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Had both jackets years ago. I remember spending a hour or two taking off the top pockets, buckles, and beat up clear water resistant material on a M70 jacket.
You should cover the god awful Canadian Army tactical vests, which somehow nearly 20 years after introduction, are still standard issue.
Love this camouflage
I know it by the nickname Pizzatarn / pizza camo.
I got an M70 jacket a few months back for like 19$. Very high quality. Planning on collecting additional pieces.
Ive been collecting rare camos for awhile now and making complete modernized kits from them (with matching custom printed plate carriers. I currently have a complete Rhodesian brushstroke kit, splinter (german ww2), dot 44, Flecktarn, jigsaw, M90, and recently TAZ83/M70. This uniform is by far the most bizarre but very appreciated and interesting uniform. Finding the camo wasn’t hard. Finding the correct sizes is another story. 😂
This jacket probably weighs more than a fully loaded vest!
My Dad had those old pants during the early 2000s for work in the garden... He had those till they fell apart. Just about 2 years ago :-D
Hi, great content! Please make a video about North Africa uniforms, specially Libya's camo designed for African Union. Thanks!
Though it is really interesting to see uniforms in such detail it would be really good to talk to people who used them in the feald especially whith such an unusual uniform
We looks very awful in these and it was not really practical and really heavy to wear all day long.
I was astounded at how well I was able to blend in, in the fall in south eastern Ohio with this pattern.
Please do a U.S. Coast Guard uniform history!
If you ever wanted to go into video game factions again. Battalion Wars is a great one to do. So many different camos and uniforms. This ones a bit old but it has its fans
There is a complete load plan for all those pockets online. If compared to a US uniform with field jacket and LBE it's not that much different. It was not the camouflage pattern but the weight of the material. Not exactly jungle. Yet Switzerland is higher altitude and temperature.
A designed system.
The simple overall for tanks crews with no combat pockets have a strap sewing on back of the neck back for allow the other crews to lift the man outside of the armored vehicle in case of evacuation
Hope you will make a video about the Eagle Industries RRV. What inspired it/the reason for the name. And also a bit about the different clones of it, Blackhawk, LBT, Arktis etc, I dont mean chinese knockoffs. The RRV is really an iconic chestrig.
I have half of this uniform it's awsome lots of pockets and little details
0:13 nice little detail))
Just as I bought one pair of pants today this video releases
Would a video on gorka suits evolutionand use be possible? Or/and the 6sh122 Russian camo?
I saw a modified Alpenflage coat that had had a tiny (so tiny I didn’t notice it when I first looked at it) design sewn on it being sold for $200 dollars once
You should do video on vietnam war tiger stripe patern
Holy crap I need some now
The first thing we have done is to suppressing the plastic on tights aera this causing sweat and uncomfort in summer
Cool
I use it for Deer Hunting in Germany, cheap and good Made stuff. Army Issued Quality i would say. Thx for the Video
Swiss people loves multifunctional things...amazing
I am about to do a test of some M83 and the background brown color seems a lot lighter than the almost tan of the M70. I was wondering if that tan of the M70 was that bright from the start or was it fading that made it that color so if you know, give me a heads up! =) Great video, btw! Us camo bros got to stick together =)
So I just bought some m83 Pants and I'm wondering if a m70 jacket would look sort of natural, or would you suggest just getting a m83 jacket? Please and thank you.
I had one of those in my garage around year ago and I didn't knew anything about it. Sad I don't have it anymore
could y'all make a video on bulgarian uniforms? i have a dark grey overcoat but i dont know the history of it nor where to begin
It looks inspired by the Leibermuster 45
Can you give any information about, or make a video on, russian use of MARPAT?
you can get the later uniforms on hessen antique for a few bucks
I love Uniform History but was disappointed by the exclusion of one of fashion's iconic pieces. Massimo Osti's Mille Miglia drew considerably from the M70. The CP Company classic incorporated the split left breast pocket as well as the two lower bellows pockets. If only the M70 had goggles and a watch window, it would be a football casuals classic.
No Country can challenge the Swiss in terms of self Defence. The whole Country is a Fortress
So when will you look at issued load carrying gear in the pattern?
Wow
I remember i got it from a military surplus shop for 10€ when i traveled in France.
I used to wear M83 Trousers during the late 90s
Any interest in doing a piece on the Swiss blue denim uniform?
They also double up as fabric for sundresses.