Considering how Fudge was willing to crush a young boy’s life, and he was willing to betray a friend who helped him numerous times, he definitely demonstrated the evil he was capable of. Although, he was probably the best example of the worst kind of irresponsible person to be in power.
And to insult of injury, after that the truth was revealed, Fudge had the nerve of tries to convinces that Harry could talks positively from the Ministry, to the point of implies that he should says lies about that they were doing a good job, like if he and Harry were still in good terms. Forgetting the fact that Fudged burnt that brigde after chose to reject the truth and threw under the bus Harry.
I think that he would be described more accurately as a very weak man who could not bring himself to believe he was wrong. Evil maybe,but without weakness he would not have acted as he did.
@@davidkennedy8929 More than evil, Fudge could be described like a hubris and arrogant man, that want act like if he had everything, and everyone under his control. But when he had to accept the truth, Fudge noted how much little control he had, leading him to be begging to the very people that he was condemning and targeting with his smear campaign.
@@josecuestas7246That was Scrimgeour. Though you are easily forgiven for that mistake, because Harry, and seemingly Dumbledore, act as if it's still Fudge, leaving the new Minister with key allies in a fight he's serious about blaming him for the miscalculations of his predecessor.
@@JustFlemishMe Well, Scrimgeour did go to ask Harry to be the "Poster Boy" of Ministry, to boost his campaign, leading to that Harry declined it angrily to retort that the Ministry should be focused in do their job properly, than be wasting their time with useless publicity or campaigns, making that Scrimgeout stormed out disgusted. But regarding Fudge, just after that Voldemort revealed himself and just before to that Fudge step down as Minister, he talked Dumbledore to ask him if he could convinces Harry to talks good about the Ministry and says some twisted facts to paints the Ministry like an efficient organization, but Dumbledore simply refused to clear that Harry will never accept to do this, leaving Fudge despaired for his dire situation.
In the books, as we have little description of the humanoid magical creatures, it is implied they look like what they did in folklore: like the normal range of humans. The only difference is that house-elves are described as short with bat-ears when in folklore they were tall with donkey ears, and in folklore all trolls were NOT bald, not merely river-trolls (indeed, forest-trolls, mountain-trolls, sea-trolls, and river-trolls, were all the same, it's just they lived in different areas like urbanites and rural people).
History is written by the winner. History is also written by those in power. What if muggles started persecuting wizards due to a group of wizards having been found using the Imperius curse to control those Muggles? What if the whole thing is a vicious cycle? Wizards control Muggles, Muggles persecute Wizards, so Wizards try to increase their control, so Muggles increase their persecution ....
There's a lot of truth in that, we saw that witch use her magic to manipulate Kowalski in Beasts 2, we saw Tom's mother do the same to Tom's father, and we saw it happen to Ron in Half-blood Prince. I always said the witch trials, burnings and persecutions where a reaction to witches and wizards using magic to abuse muggles and that the statute of secrecy was less to do with self defense and more to do with avoiding the backlash of their actions.
That is what I realized at the start of August 2020 when I was 24 (my birthday is January 14th, 7:00 AM, ET), since little kids will tell you witches and wizards are evil, and folklore and real-life humanity (before people stopped believing in magic), viewed witches and wizards as evil because of Dark magic (obviously humanity viewed cunning-men as an exception, as they used white magic). Remember, witches were supposed to ruin crops, kill animals and people, and spoil food, and Dark magic comes from Satan (or equivalents like Angra Mainyu, Apep, or the asuras). McGonagall states that witches and wizards were persecuted because it was believed they worshipped Satan in "The Chamber of Secrets."
To be honest, Cornelius Fudge was the true culprit of the events of Order of Phoenix to forward, because it was his inaction that allowed Voldemort ane his followers get more power, leading to that they could become a notable threat for the next books/movies.
@@JustFlemishMe it was never mentiomed. Fudge was last seen at Dumbledore's funeral. Can't believe he had the gall to attend, but then again Umbridge and Rita Skeeter were there too.
@@elmermedina1713 Yeah, after five books of him technically being the most powerful person we meet, he just... disappears. He facilitates a transition to Scrimgeour, and then... poof. Umbridge was many, many times worse. While by the time of Dumbledore's death, there was a lot of bad blood between the two, for over a decade Fudge and Dumbledore actually had a positive, constructive relationship. They weren't friends or anything, but Fudge clearly held Dumbledore in high regard and Dumbledore treated Fudge with respect. That, and Fudge was Minister for a long time, and Dumbledore held a lot of other high offices; showing up at the funeral was probably just expected as a formality.
The biggest flaw in your theory is simply that the prime minister doesn't act like he's under the imperious curse when he meets with Fudge in the book. They wouldn't have a conversation if he was under the imperious curse. Fudge would simply give him orders, and he'd follow them.
I don't think it's fair or accurate to say that the Wizarding world is the "better society" for opting for secrecy rather than not dominating the Muggle world. For one, how many examples are there of Wizards and Witches being not only incredibly bigoted, but actively believing themselves to be the superior race, and therefore have the right to rule all others - then act on that belief? They're not exactly saints, same as regular humans. Second, yes they have magic, but Muggles have numbers (like by a massive margin). And while their military technology may have been simple at the time, it is very effective - and most average wizards aren't a Dumbledore... Not to mention at the time they had a religious fundamentalist drive - that tends to be a heck of a motivator to get every man, woman, and child hunting down every last witch or wizard. I think they knew that they wouldn't be able to dominate the Muggle world, not without seriously risking extinction of their kind, so secrecy was the only logical (and far simpler) option.
@@tyler4418 The main issue with the wizards, is that they ended stangnant, isolated from the rest of world, and still living in the past, with archaic ideologies and oudated mindsets, leading them to be deluding that they are still "superior" than Muggles, to think that we all are still living in the Middle Age or Victorian Age, making the wizards simply too much ignorant people that cannot accept the modern times and move on to the future, leaving them stuck and frozen in the time. Unlike the Muggles, that were still progressing and advancing with the time, allowing us evolved in many aspects. In contrast with the wizards that are stucked with their old ways, than open their mind and updates their general aspects.
I mean it makes sense I think the biggest issue with the pure blood/ Voldemort mentality is the sheer ignorance of the muggle world. 99.999% of all witches and wizards live in ignorance of the capabilities of muggles even the magic wizards who are born to muggle parents get introduced to the wizarding world durning adolescence before they can grasp the complexity of the muggle one. I’m trying to figure out how Voldemort planed to subject muggles like your wand is cool but can it defend against a challenger 2, ok you can fly but can you out run a helicopter. Like how would the ministry defend against a Jasam cruise missile fired from a jet going over a 1000 mph. It’s a good thing Harry deleted Voldemort lest he got every wizard and witch killed.
@@jerrydickerson1111 reminds me of the Rowling quote regarding a duel between a wizard vs a Muggle with a shotgun. Besides the fact that a shotgun is incredibly destructive, most spells come down to one thing - a Wizards reaction time. They have to decide what spell to use in a given situation, flourish their wand and recite the spell. While a Muggle just needs to point and pull a trigger. In the time it takes even an experienced wizard to cast a spell, a soldier with a rifle will put several through his chest...
If death eaters can collapse a bridge by just flying close to it and Voldemort can collapse multiple electricity lines by just screaming, I am certain a military plane will eventually fail, more so if they where more creative and decided to use a dragon or something
@@rodrigocoockiemonster4460 a quick and talented wizard probably could. But you gotta remember, most wizards and witches aren't a Dumbledore. Even then, most soldiers don't work alone and can get off a barrage of bullets in the time it takes to cast even a single spell. Also most can't apparate, so there's that to consider as well.
This is one of the theories I'm not really buying. While I can get behind the idea that some magical means of persuasion are used against the prime minister (or less magical and more traditional blackmail) to ensure their silence, the idea that they would use the Imperius curse raises some serious questions towards everything we know about political muggle-wizard relationships. Everytime there is either a crisis in the magical community or they are importing something magical and dangerous, the Minister of Magic parleys with his muggle counterpart. If he was under the Imperius curse, this wouldn't be necessary. Further, there is also the risk that the muggle prime minister is strong-willed (unusual for a politician, I know) and might be able to break the curse and then it is game over as well. No, while persuasion and potentially some dark magic might be involved in keeping the prime minister in check (even likely), I don't think it is the Imperius curse that's used. There is already the implication that if the prime minister revealed the existence of the magical world, he would be considered crazy by his constituents but how much worse could be if a witch or wizard took a hair of the prime minister, put it in polyjuice potion and murdered their entire family for example? It is a simple example of what they could do if a prime minister doesn't want to play ball and there are plenty of options that when even mentioned would be enough to ensure one's silence.
I think it would be highly likely, especially with the history of muggles, waging war on wizards. What better way to prevent another one than controlling the leaders.
I never understood why wizards/witches didn’t try to „breed in“ magic into powerful muggle family’s like the royal family of Britain. And also I would think it would be way easier if a wizard/witch would be appointed as the muggle prime minister (he/she doesn’t have to be a muggle to hold a position of power in the MUGGLE world) then to use an forbidden curse.
by that do you mean the British system of the opposition party having their own gov ready to go if the current one falls/something bad happens to them? or do you mean the "deep state" where interlocking gov agencies/bureaucrats set up a system supposedly to maintain continuity of government (such as with the shadow gov in Britan) but end up using it as a way to rule by fiat without democratic checks on their power? or do you mean something like a cabal of non-gov actors controlling a standing gov without any real authority to do so by the laws of the nation i.e. "NWO" or Bilderberg group in the US or the "8 goddesses" cult in SK?
I kind of feel like the Ministry holds the Wizarding population back to keep them in line. The first book starts in 1991: in our world we had TV and a basic Internet. There’s no equivalent to that in the Wizarding world, it’s like they’re being forcibly stagnated.
Percival Graves: "A law that has us scuttling like rats in the gutter! A law that demands we conceal our true nature! A law that directs those under its dominion to cower in fear lest we risk discovery! I ask you, Madam President, I ask all of you... Who does this law protect? Us? Or them? I refuse to bow down any longer."
Cornelius Fudge certainly was. He was intent on using Harry Potter - A YOUNG TEENAGER - to lure out one of the most dangerous criminals (supposedly) of the wizarding world. And to help with that, stationed SOUL-SUCKING WRAITHS all over a CHILDREN'S SCHOOL! Dude deserves to be sent to Azkaban just for that. And that's not even how he used Ministry resources to slander and oppress that kid AND HIS CLASSMATES just to hide Voldy's return; for that, he deserves The Kiss (and by that, I refer back to the previously mentioned soul-sucking wraiths).
I shan't stand this slander! As far as Fudge, or anyone alive save Voldemort, Peter Pettigrew and Sirius himself knew, Sirius was going to come after Harry. Harry could have been quite safe with the Dursleys, but he ran off. Then, forced to shift tactics, Fudge kept him on Diagon Alley, constantly surrounded by Wizards, too public for Sirius to try anything. Then, it's straight to Hogwarts, with Dumbledore, and the Dementors as added security, because Sirius Black has implied he might go there. But between Dumbledore and the Dementors, surely Sirius won't get through. In fact, Fudge actively refuses to let Harry visit Hogsmeade, which would have been a great trap. Just discreetly have a dozen Aurors nearby and Harry should be fine. But no, Fudge doesn't risk it. And when the Dementors prove dangerous to Harry, Fudge is appalled, sending them away. By 'Order of the Phoenix', the game has changed. Dumbledore has lost Fudge's trust, likely over the events from 'Prisoner of Azkaban', and Fudge is openly hostile and overly, but justifiably, distrustful. He's had it with Dumbledore undermining him and goes all-in on his counteroffensive. Now, of course Fudge is a man of many flaws and weaknesses. He is very prone to miscalculation. The best example would be Dementor loyalty, which he vastly overestimates. He also misread Dumbledore's end game. But, all in all, given his limited knowledge, he actually made a lot of sense.
That's all assuming you believe the claim that the statute of secrecy was to protect the wizarding community from the persecution of muggles. However! There are spells to wipe people's memories. Spells to disarm people. Spells to make a place COMPLETELY unfindable unless you already know where it is (and even then can't share that knowledge with others). Not to mention the unforgivable curses and any number of other spells that can do harm to people. There are creatures that muggles can't see. Any number of potions. The muggles of the time had NOTHING against even a single witch or wizard except, perhaps, numbers, but even then a few stunning spells and some nasty jinxes and the crowd of muggles trying to get into your fortified home is going to scatter. Now, perhaps you want to make an argument that the magical people's didn't share knowledge with each other, or didn't have wands yet, and so their power level was, on average, much lower than it is at the time of the books. HOWEVER! Hogwarts was founded several hundred years before the statute was put into law. Then we need to consider the strong current of wizard superiority that runs through the wizarding world: house elves are slaves, goblins are second class citizens, centaurs and merfolk and giants are almost legislated as if they are beasts rather than people, the whole "pureblood" thing. Not to mention the existence of nocturn alley (with its catering to the dark arts) right off of Diagon Alley, THE wizarding shopping district in the UK. Like, wizarding culture in the UK (we don't know about elsewhere, though I don't have much hope) has some NASTY aspects to it that the Ministry is happy to let be. I think it's more likely that witches are wizards were, on average, before the statute terrible people who abused the fact that /they/ had magic and muggles didn't. UNTIL, some muggle somewhere got there hands on something from the magical world that evened the playing field. The loyalty of house elves? An alliance with the goblins? The discovery that some muggles are not only non-magical, but actually ANTI-magical and maybe that is something that can be trained and taught. Here's an interesting thought: Purebloods are actually kind of correct. There are actually two extant species of humans. One that has access to magic, and the other does not. But here's the kicker, the ones that have no access to magic also can't be effected by it. The most powerful spells and potions simple do nothing to them. This made each species powerful in its own way and allowed the non-magical species to persecute the magical one. The thing is, muggles AREN'T that second species. Muggles are hybrids. It was discovered that hybrids of the two species would have enough magic in them to be /effected/ by it, but not able to perform it. The statute of secrecy was the culmination of a world wide effort to mix just enough H. magus genes into the H. mundus to nullify their magical immunity. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
This makes me wonder if humans can form one of the two parties involved in an unbreakable vow, or if a muggle or squib could brew a magic portion mostly on his own.
10:07 A bunch of Wizards and Witches definitely wanted to dominate muggles, throughout history. And a bunch did. They are a lot closer, ethically, than this makes it seem.
So, wait. Do wizards pay Muggle taxes? It seems unlikely a Muggle government would let such a large group of residents go untaxed, even if they did have magic. Do wizards get taxed twice, by each government, or do the Ministry tax wizards, and then have a department that submits those taxes to the Muggle government on behalf of the wizard community? Also, do wizards get to vote in Muggle elections? Or do wizards just not get counted in Muggle census, so no one in the Muggle government is every like, "Hmm. A significant portion of the population of each county never votes. That is weird."
Muggels were not "the ones to persecute Wizards and Witches", it was the last instance of a persecution. In the past wizard kings etc. also opressed Muggles and persecuted them.
One of the most unbelievable and ridiculous things in Rowling’s lore building is the idea that wizards were persecuted and decided to not use the absolute power they had. That’s not how people act.
Ask any random muggle to tell you a spell and most of them will say something that sounds remarkably like avada kedavra. I think maybe the wizards did use their absolute power at sometime in the past and this is a societal memory of a very dark time in history.
I’ve always felt that the statute of secrecy between the muggle and magical world is dependent on the imperious curse in the event that say a dark wizard attempts to take over both worlds the imperious curse would be used as a way to not cause panic and keep the wizard of world safe by taking control of the local world leader
Let's be honest, if a muggle Priminster (regardless of their scruples) told other muggles that witches and wizards are real and that one just visited them in their office. The Priminster would be having a psychiatric assessment at the nearest appropriate facility. That or be ridiculed for their wild imagination. To sum up, I don't think that the Imperious curse is needed. Without proof, no one would believe them
You do name one issue that has been bothering me for... like, ever. If muggles were allowed into Slytherin, we'd all be in that house. We all like to think that we are the hero in our own stories. But we are not. Hero's go out when they are needed, even if they do not feel like it. Instead as Jordan Petersons mentioned: "During the Pandemic, In Canada 30% of his neighbours were thrilled to be able to report on people around them." Most humans only care about their personal circle. Quite a few only care about themselves. _"Slytherins tended to be ambitious, shrewd, cunning, strong leaders, and achievement-oriented. They also had highly developed senses of self-preservation."_ Yet in hogwarts it is but one fourth of the students. Not 90% Exterminating those that are different, xenophobia, is a muggle trait. It is also a Slytherin trait. Most of the wizarding world is into *preservation.*
Ok so if its a case that the MFM just visits the PM to say "oh hey we exist just letting ya know" that is literally the LAST person you want to do that with, the one statistically most likely to be power hungry, and the one that possesses power already; they would less likely "spill the beans" to the muggle population rather than seek to coerce wizards into helping them achieve their goals. No way that's the case. If I may alter your theory a bit here; they've got to be meeting with the prime minister for two reasons - one; BECAUSE they are the biggest threat, they'll want to neutralize that - and two; cooperation in cases of inevitable breeches in secrecy (kids in flying cars, death eater attacks). It's not as simple as merely ensuring a threatening powerful individual remains inactive or in the dark, they will indeed require cooperation from time to time. They will need to ensure the muggle government is both knowledgeable of and cooperative with them at the same time without liabilities, so yeah Imperius would cut it.
But in this case I believe it would be necessary to also imperius all the muggle partners of wizards, because that is even more risky than relying on prime minister since there are just so many more muggle partners.
A commenter on a previous video said other officials in the U.K government surely know, and I agreed with them. Granted, I should have been more critical, but thinking back on it I think the commenter was right.
I liked this video fine, but I do have a few notes. 1. Title: 'The Ministry is more evil than you think' - video gives very good, rational reasons for what the Ministry supposedly gets up to, even concluding the Wizarding World is morally superior. 2. 'The Ministry is more evil than you think' - given what seems to be the common feeling regarding the Ministry, I find that unlikely. 3. I'm sorry, but is the Ministry so incompetent it can barely regulate the Wizarding World with everything going fine, or is it a shadowy cabal secretly pulling the strings on Wizards and Muggles alike? I think both are wrong, but both at once is definitely impossible, despite even Rowling seemingly claiming both are true. They screw up... things?... in 'Philosophers' Stone', but control everything in 'Order of the Phoenix'. That being said, except point 1, these are fandom complaints, not the video's fault. Have a like 👍
I would say either the imperius curse or an obliviation charm like the reality is it could definitely more than likely be a thing that the imperius curse would come into play because of what it does but unfortunately the movies and from what I read from the books that I can remember the imperius curse does not give much cognitive function while you're controlling somebody it's literally a puppet because you're drugged I think an obliviation charm would be able to knock out whatever information that they didn't need known while a particularly strong wizard would be able to keep the memories of what they're supposed to do and who they are intact I mean if we think about it the Neville theory actually is a good piece of evidence to this info he's definitely intelligent but he has lapses and memory and it's only certain things and you haven't gotten completely nuts like if Lockhart got a hold of you and a simple way to actually accomplish a trust of The wizarding world while agreeing to keep it safe if you're a muggle is to have someone forget the witch trials completely and probably replace the memory with something different I mean I know this a very loose theory but using an imperius curse from what I've seen requires you to be in fairly close vicinity at all times it would really kind of be impractical to have someone right behind them in an invisibility cloak the whole freaking time LOL although I can definitely see how imperius curse you could be more viable at the same time
If the wizarding world controls the muggle Prime Minister, why didn't the Ministry of Magic attack the muggle world through the muggle Ministry when the Death Eaters controlled the Ministry of Magic? 🤔
Difference between wizards and witches in Harry Potter and real life is, in real life they are submitting themselves to demons for power, and thus are themselves, denying Christ and his salvation, to their own destruction, and also the destruction of others in this fashion… while in Harry Potter, they are just magical and that’s awesome! Actually much how redeemed people will be in Christ after the resurrection! 🤔 think about it! Choose life in Christ! 😊
@@EricRuskoski Your Cult of the Cross nonsense is irrelevant to the topic of the video, that's why. If you really want to preach, get yourself ordained as a priest and work in a church. Your own cult has a thing against false gods and false prophets.
@@JamesDavy2009 Hmm, the scripture say go out into the world and preach the gospel to every living creature... Being Ordained isn't a requirement of the great commission, nor are we to keep it only inside the churches. But yeah, false Gods and false prophets aren't good... Also, to elaborate on how it is relevant to the video because it is comparing the Fictional Wizarding population of Harry Potter, having the ability to control the Muggles if they want to (9:00), but not being the aggressive ones, much how it's going to be during the 1000 reign of Christ soon to come in real life, with the redeemed ruling, and those who are still in their mortal bodies being eventually aggressive towards Christ towards the end, (book of revelation) and introducing the idea that this is a true concept that's presented in the Christian Bible, and explaining to folks who enjoy the Fiction of Harry Potter, that the truth is actually more interesting, and for those who can grasp the concepts the bible speaks up about the future, and want something similar (to Harry Potter) for real, and not just in fictional writing, they can have that hope in Christ! How cool is that? 🥕not just vague ideas about the future, or life after death, but specific details! Even what's after the 1000 years on this Earth. Pretty neat stuff if you ask me. Hope someone is interested... and I Hope that helps shed light on why I mentioned it in the first place...
Considering how Fudge was willing to crush a young boy’s life, and he was willing to betray a friend who helped him numerous times, he definitely demonstrated the evil he was capable of.
Although, he was probably the best example of the worst kind of irresponsible person to be in power.
And to insult of injury, after that the truth was revealed, Fudge had the nerve of tries to convinces that Harry could talks positively from the Ministry, to the point of implies that he should says lies about that they were doing a good job, like if he and Harry were still in good terms.
Forgetting the fact that Fudged burnt that brigde after chose to reject the truth and threw under the bus Harry.
I think that he would be described more accurately as a very weak man who could not bring himself to believe he was wrong. Evil maybe,but without weakness he would not have acted as he did.
@@davidkennedy8929 More than evil, Fudge could be described like a hubris and arrogant man, that want act like if he had everything, and everyone under his control.
But when he had to accept the truth, Fudge noted how much little control he had, leading him to be begging to the very people that he was condemning and targeting with his smear campaign.
@@josecuestas7246That was Scrimgeour. Though you are easily forgiven for that mistake, because Harry, and seemingly Dumbledore, act as if it's still Fudge, leaving the new Minister with key allies in a fight he's serious about blaming him for the miscalculations of his predecessor.
@@JustFlemishMe Well, Scrimgeour did go to ask Harry to be the "Poster Boy" of Ministry, to boost his campaign, leading to that Harry declined it angrily to retort that the Ministry should be focused in do their job properly, than be wasting their time with useless publicity or campaigns, making that Scrimgeout stormed out disgusted.
But regarding Fudge, just after that Voldemort revealed himself and just before to that Fudge step down as Minister, he talked Dumbledore to ask him if he could convinces Harry to talks good about the Ministry and says some twisted facts to paints the Ministry like an efficient organization, but Dumbledore simply refused to clear that Harry will never accept to do this, leaving Fudge despaired for his dire situation.
The answer to the persecutions is simple: Witches should just carry lead weights in their pockets. They'll definitely weigh more than a duck then.
Tis a fair court.
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
Excellent call-back😅
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"We can't oppress fellow Humans. But those weird little Elves...totally legit." Lol
Don't forget the goblins.
In the books, as we have little description of the humanoid magical creatures, it is implied they look like what they did in folklore: like the normal range of humans. The only difference is that house-elves are described as short with bat-ears when in folklore they were tall with donkey ears, and in folklore all trolls were NOT bald, not merely river-trolls (indeed, forest-trolls, mountain-trolls, sea-trolls, and river-trolls, were all the same, it's just they lived in different areas like urbanites and rural people).
History is written by the winner.
History is also written by those in power.
What if muggles started persecuting wizards due to a group of wizards having been found using the Imperius curse to control those Muggles?
What if the whole thing is a vicious cycle? Wizards control Muggles, Muggles persecute Wizards, so Wizards try to increase their control, so Muggles increase their persecution ....
There's a lot of truth in that, we saw that witch use her magic to manipulate Kowalski in Beasts 2, we saw Tom's mother do the same to Tom's father, and we saw it happen to Ron in Half-blood Prince. I always said the witch trials, burnings and persecutions where a reaction to witches and wizards using magic to abuse muggles and that the statute of secrecy was less to do with self defense and more to do with avoiding the backlash of their actions.
That is what I realized at the start of August 2020 when I was 24 (my birthday is January 14th, 7:00 AM, ET), since little kids will tell you witches and wizards are evil, and folklore and real-life humanity (before people stopped believing in magic), viewed witches and wizards as evil because of Dark magic (obviously humanity viewed cunning-men as an exception, as they used white magic). Remember, witches were supposed to ruin crops, kill animals and people, and spoil food, and Dark magic comes from Satan (or equivalents like Angra Mainyu, Apep, or the asuras). McGonagall states that witches and wizards were persecuted because it was believed they worshipped Satan in "The Chamber of Secrets."
To be honest, Cornelius Fudge was the true culprit of the events of Order of Phoenix to forward, because it was his inaction that allowed Voldemort ane his followers get more power, leading to that they could become a notable threat for the next books/movies.
It's amazing that Fudge wasn't assassinated
@@elmermedina1713Was he not? I kinda assumed he was killed during Voldemort's takeover.
@@JustFlemishMe it was never mentiomed. Fudge was last seen at Dumbledore's funeral. Can't believe he had the gall to attend, but then again Umbridge and Rita Skeeter were there too.
@@elmermedina1713 Yeah, after five books of him technically being the most powerful person we meet, he just... disappears. He facilitates a transition to Scrimgeour, and then... poof.
Umbridge was many, many times worse. While by the time of Dumbledore's death, there was a lot of bad blood between the two, for over a decade Fudge and Dumbledore actually had a positive, constructive relationship. They weren't friends or anything, but Fudge clearly held Dumbledore in high regard and Dumbledore treated Fudge with respect. That, and Fudge was Minister for a long time, and Dumbledore held a lot of other high offices; showing up at the funeral was probably just expected as a formality.
Wasn't he under Yue imperius curse?
The biggest flaw in your theory is simply that the prime minister doesn't act like he's under the imperious curse when he meets with Fudge in the book. They wouldn't have a conversation if he was under the imperious curse. Fudge would simply give him orders, and he'd follow them.
I don't think it's fair or accurate to say that the Wizarding world is the "better society" for opting for secrecy rather than not dominating the Muggle world. For one, how many examples are there of Wizards and Witches being not only incredibly bigoted, but actively believing themselves to be the superior race, and therefore have the right to rule all others - then act on that belief? They're not exactly saints, same as regular humans. Second, yes they have magic, but Muggles have numbers (like by a massive margin). And while their military technology may have been simple at the time, it is very effective - and most average wizards aren't a Dumbledore... Not to mention at the time they had a religious fundamentalist drive - that tends to be a heck of a motivator to get every man, woman, and child hunting down every last witch or wizard.
I think they knew that they wouldn't be able to dominate the Muggle world, not without seriously risking extinction of their kind, so secrecy was the only logical (and far simpler) option.
@@tyler4418 The main issue with the wizards, is that they ended stangnant, isolated from the rest of world, and still living in the past, with archaic ideologies and oudated mindsets, leading them to be deluding that they are still "superior" than Muggles, to think that we all are still living in the Middle Age or Victorian Age, making the wizards simply too much ignorant people that cannot accept the modern times and move on to the future, leaving them stuck and frozen in the time.
Unlike the Muggles, that were still progressing and advancing with the time, allowing us evolved in many aspects. In contrast with the wizards that are stucked with their old ways, than open their mind and updates their general aspects.
I agree! Very in depth explanation!
Well as was said on the books when they met with the prime Minister they told them that if they told anyone they wouldn't be believed
If Kier started ranting about wizards living secretly in London nobody would believe him, they would think he gone mad(er)
If Farage said it enough people would believe it to start actual witch hunts.
I mean it makes sense I think the biggest issue with the pure blood/ Voldemort mentality is the sheer ignorance of the muggle world. 99.999% of all witches and wizards live in ignorance of the capabilities of muggles even the magic wizards who are born to muggle parents get introduced to the wizarding world durning adolescence before they can grasp the complexity of the muggle one. I’m trying to figure out how Voldemort planed to subject muggles like your wand is cool but can it defend against a challenger 2, ok you can fly but can you out run a helicopter. Like how would the ministry defend against a Jasam cruise missile fired from a jet going over a 1000 mph. It’s a good thing Harry deleted Voldemort lest he got every wizard and witch killed.
@@jerrydickerson1111 reminds me of the Rowling quote regarding a duel between a wizard vs a Muggle with a shotgun. Besides the fact that a shotgun is incredibly destructive, most spells come down to one thing - a Wizards reaction time. They have to decide what spell to use in a given situation, flourish their wand and recite the spell. While a Muggle just needs to point and pull a trigger. In the time it takes even an experienced wizard to cast a spell, a soldier with a rifle will put several through his chest...
If death eaters can collapse a bridge by just flying close to it and Voldemort can collapse multiple electricity lines by just screaming, I am certain a military plane will eventually fail, more so if they where more creative and decided to use a dragon or something
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Fair but couldn't they just apparate behind the muggle and Kedavra the hell out of them?
@@rodrigocoockiemonster4460 a quick and talented wizard probably could. But you gotta remember, most wizards and witches aren't a Dumbledore. Even then, most soldiers don't work alone and can get off a barrage of bullets in the time it takes to cast even a single spell. Also most can't apparate, so there's that to consider as well.
@tyler4418
I do suppose I am overstimating wizardkind, if Knockturn's alley theory holds any water many of them don't even attend school
This is one of the theories I'm not really buying. While I can get behind the idea that some magical means of persuasion are used against the prime minister (or less magical and more traditional blackmail) to ensure their silence, the idea that they would use the Imperius curse raises some serious questions towards everything we know about political muggle-wizard relationships. Everytime there is either a crisis in the magical community or they are importing something magical and dangerous, the Minister of Magic parleys with his muggle counterpart. If he was under the Imperius curse, this wouldn't be necessary. Further, there is also the risk that the muggle prime minister is strong-willed (unusual for a politician, I know) and might be able to break the curse and then it is game over as well.
No, while persuasion and potentially some dark magic might be involved in keeping the prime minister in check (even likely), I don't think it is the Imperius curse that's used. There is already the implication that if the prime minister revealed the existence of the magical world, he would be considered crazy by his constituents but how much worse could be if a witch or wizard took a hair of the prime minister, put it in polyjuice potion and murdered their entire family for example? It is a simple example of what they could do if a prime minister doesn't want to play ball and there are plenty of options that when even mentioned would be enough to ensure one's silence.
2:06. She turned me into a newt!......
I got better.
I think it would be highly likely, especially with the history of muggles, waging war on wizards. What better way to prevent another one than controlling the leaders.
Dumbledore read Harry's mind in chamber of secrets to see if Harry did harm Filtchs's cat
I never understood why wizards/witches didn’t try to „breed in“ magic into powerful muggle family’s like the royal family of Britain. And also I would think it would be way easier if a wizard/witch would be appointed as the muggle prime minister (he/she doesn’t have to be a muggle to hold a position of power in the MUGGLE world) then to use an forbidden curse.
I wonder if this is where the idea of the Shadow Government comes from, if so, it is quite a connection
The idea of a shadow government/deep state has been around far longer than Harry Potter has been.
by that do you mean the British system of the opposition party having their own gov ready to go if the current one falls/something bad happens to them? or do you mean the "deep state" where interlocking gov agencies/bureaucrats set up a system supposedly to maintain continuity of government (such as with the shadow gov in Britan) but end up using it as a way to rule by fiat without democratic checks on their power? or do you mean something like a cabal of non-gov actors controlling a standing gov without any real authority to do so by the laws of the nation i.e. "NWO" or Bilderberg group in the US or the "8 goddesses" cult in SK?
I kind of feel like the Ministry holds the Wizarding population back to keep them in line. The first book starts in 1991: in our world we had TV and a basic Internet. There’s no equivalent to that in the Wizarding world, it’s like they’re being forcibly stagnated.
Percival Graves: "A law that has us scuttling like rats in the gutter! A law that demands we conceal our true nature! A law that directs those under its dominion to cower in fear lest we risk discovery! I ask you, Madam President, I ask all of you... Who does this law protect? Us? Or them? I refuse to bow down any longer."
Gellert Grindelwald*
The Imperius Curse would certainly explain Keir Starmer🤔
The Unbreakable Vow isn't illegal so that might be a more reasonable choice, not to mention legal.
I believe it.
Cornelius Fudge certainly was. He was intent on using Harry Potter - A YOUNG TEENAGER - to lure out one of the most dangerous criminals (supposedly) of the wizarding world. And to help with that, stationed SOUL-SUCKING WRAITHS all over a CHILDREN'S SCHOOL! Dude deserves to be sent to Azkaban just for that. And that's not even how he used Ministry resources to slander and oppress that kid AND HIS CLASSMATES just to hide Voldy's return; for that, he deserves The Kiss (and by that, I refer back to the previously mentioned soul-sucking wraiths).
I shan't stand this slander!
As far as Fudge, or anyone alive save Voldemort, Peter Pettigrew and Sirius himself knew, Sirius was going to come after Harry. Harry could have been quite safe with the Dursleys, but he ran off. Then, forced to shift tactics, Fudge kept him on Diagon Alley, constantly surrounded by Wizards, too public for Sirius to try anything. Then, it's straight to Hogwarts, with Dumbledore, and the Dementors as added security, because Sirius Black has implied he might go there. But between Dumbledore and the Dementors, surely Sirius won't get through. In fact, Fudge actively refuses to let Harry visit Hogsmeade, which would have been a great trap. Just discreetly have a dozen Aurors nearby and Harry should be fine. But no, Fudge doesn't risk it. And when the Dementors prove dangerous to Harry, Fudge is appalled, sending them away.
By 'Order of the Phoenix', the game has changed. Dumbledore has lost Fudge's trust, likely over the events from 'Prisoner of Azkaban', and Fudge is openly hostile and overly, but justifiably, distrustful. He's had it with Dumbledore undermining him and goes all-in on his counteroffensive.
Now, of course Fudge is a man of many flaws and weaknesses. He is very prone to miscalculation. The best example would be Dementor loyalty, which he vastly overestimates. He also misread Dumbledore's end game. But, all in all, given his limited knowledge, he actually made a lot of sense.
That's all assuming you believe the claim that the statute of secrecy was to protect the wizarding community from the persecution of muggles. However! There are spells to wipe people's memories. Spells to disarm people. Spells to make a place COMPLETELY unfindable unless you already know where it is (and even then can't share that knowledge with others). Not to mention the unforgivable curses and any number of other spells that can do harm to people. There are creatures that muggles can't see. Any number of potions. The muggles of the time had NOTHING against even a single witch or wizard except, perhaps, numbers, but even then a few stunning spells and some nasty jinxes and the crowd of muggles trying to get into your fortified home is going to scatter.
Now, perhaps you want to make an argument that the magical people's didn't share knowledge with each other, or didn't have wands yet, and so their power level was, on average, much lower than it is at the time of the books. HOWEVER! Hogwarts was founded several hundred years before the statute was put into law.
Then we need to consider the strong current of wizard superiority that runs through the wizarding world: house elves are slaves, goblins are second class citizens, centaurs and merfolk and giants are almost legislated as if they are beasts rather than people, the whole "pureblood" thing. Not to mention the existence of nocturn alley (with its catering to the dark arts) right off of Diagon Alley, THE wizarding shopping district in the UK. Like, wizarding culture in the UK (we don't know about elsewhere, though I don't have much hope) has some NASTY aspects to it that the Ministry is happy to let be.
I think it's more likely that witches are wizards were, on average, before the statute terrible people who abused the fact that /they/ had magic and muggles didn't. UNTIL, some muggle somewhere got there hands on something from the magical world that evened the playing field. The loyalty of house elves? An alliance with the goblins? The discovery that some muggles are not only non-magical, but actually ANTI-magical and maybe that is something that can be trained and taught.
Here's an interesting thought: Purebloods are actually kind of correct. There are actually two extant species of humans. One that has access to magic, and the other does not. But here's the kicker, the ones that have no access to magic also can't be effected by it. The most powerful spells and potions simple do nothing to them. This made each species powerful in its own way and allowed the non-magical species to persecute the magical one. The thing is, muggles AREN'T that second species. Muggles are hybrids. It was discovered that hybrids of the two species would have enough magic in them to be /effected/ by it, but not able to perform it. The statute of secrecy was the culmination of a world wide effort to mix just enough H. magus genes into the H. mundus to nullify their magical immunity.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Oh the rabbit holes she has given us are endless, very nice. So are you suggesting aliens?
Cornelius Fudge pissed me off so much.
Also, Sirius getting that scam of a "trial". So sickening.
Did Voldy k!lol Fudge? 😅
Trial... what trial 😂😅? Was there one?
Real witches and wizard part of “witch persecutions” could just Avada Kedavra the people and fly on their brooms away lol
Well, the Minister of Magic hasn't done a good job with Keir Starmer...
This makes me wonder if humans can form one of the two parties involved in an unbreakable vow, or if a muggle or squib could brew a magic portion mostly on his own.
There's a POV chapter from the Muggle Prime Minister. He was not being controlled and coordinated with Fudge to hunt Sirius Black in POA
Does all mudbloods have no relative in the last 600 hundred years?
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A bunch of Wizards and Witches definitely wanted to dominate muggles, throughout history. And a bunch did.
They are a lot closer, ethically, than this makes it seem.
So, wait. Do wizards pay Muggle taxes? It seems unlikely a Muggle government would let such a large group of residents go untaxed, even if they did have magic. Do wizards get taxed twice, by each government, or do the Ministry tax wizards, and then have a department that submits those taxes to the Muggle government on behalf of the wizard community?
Also, do wizards get to vote in Muggle elections? Or do wizards just not get counted in Muggle census, so no one in the Muggle government is every like, "Hmm. A significant portion of the population of each county never votes. That is weird."
The IRS will find a way
@@Michael-sb8jf So will the HMRC.
What nonsense.
The wizarding world chose nkt to attack the muggle world because muggles outnumber them 10,000 to one or something.
Muggels were not "the ones to persecute Wizards and Witches", it was the last instance of a persecution. In the past wizard kings etc. also opressed Muggles and persecuted them.
Awesome as always thanks ❤
One of the most unbelievable and ridiculous things in Rowling’s lore building is the idea that wizards were persecuted and decided to not use the absolute power they had.
That’s not how people act.
Ask any random muggle to tell you a spell and most of them will say something that sounds remarkably like avada kedavra. I think maybe the wizards did use their absolute power at sometime in the past and this is a societal memory of a very dark time in history.
I do think humans would act this way IF they KNOW that they have NO CHANCE 😅
I’ve always felt that the statute of secrecy between the muggle and magical world is dependent on the imperious curse in the event that say a dark wizard attempts to take over both worlds the imperious curse would be used as a way to not cause panic and keep the wizard of world safe by taking control of the local world leader
Well done.
ths is the first Harry Potter podcast that I have watched which has Monty Python scenes
Let's be honest, if a muggle Priminster (regardless of their scruples) told other muggles that witches and wizards are real and that one just visited them in their office.
The Priminster would be having a psychiatric assessment at the nearest appropriate facility.
That or be ridiculed for their wild imagination.
To sum up, I don't think that the
Imperious curse is needed. Without proof, no one would believe them
You do name one issue that has been bothering me for... like, ever.
If muggles were allowed into Slytherin, we'd all be in that house. We all like to think that we are the hero in our own stories. But we are not.
Hero's go out when they are needed, even if they do not feel like it.
Instead as Jordan Petersons mentioned: "During the Pandemic, In Canada 30% of his neighbours were thrilled to be able to report on people around them."
Most humans only care about their personal circle. Quite a few only care about themselves.
_"Slytherins tended to be ambitious, shrewd, cunning, strong leaders, and achievement-oriented. They also had highly developed senses of self-preservation."_
Yet in hogwarts it is but one fourth of the students. Not 90%
Exterminating those that are different, xenophobia, is a muggle trait. It is also a Slytherin trait.
Most of the wizarding world is into *preservation.*
"Heroes." Please don't apostrophes to indicate plurals.
I have it on good authority that Fudge was baking goblins into pies to gain control of Gringotts and the gold therein
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Hirpo the Foul, Morgana Pa Fey, etc.:
Ok so if its a case that the MFM just visits the PM to say "oh hey we exist just letting ya know" that is literally the LAST person you want to do that with, the one statistically most likely to be power hungry, and the one that possesses power already; they would less likely "spill the beans" to the muggle population rather than seek to coerce wizards into helping them achieve their goals.
No way that's the case. If I may alter your theory a bit here; they've got to be meeting with the prime minister for two reasons - one; BECAUSE they are the biggest threat, they'll want to neutralize that - and two; cooperation in cases of inevitable breeches in secrecy (kids in flying cars, death eater attacks). It's not as simple as merely ensuring a threatening powerful individual remains inactive or in the dark, they will indeed require cooperation from time to time.
They will need to ensure the muggle government is both knowledgeable of and cooperative with them at the same time without liabilities, so yeah Imperius would cut it.
What would a person be called, if both of their parents were muggles and the child was very magical?😮😮
Mudblood
@willvarela2484 thanks 👍
The kinder way to call them would be muggle born 😊
But in this case I believe it would be necessary to also imperius all the muggle partners of wizards, because that is even more risky than relying on prime minister since there are just so many more muggle partners.
A commenter on a previous video said other officials in the U.K government surely know, and I agreed with them. Granted, I should have been more critical, but thinking back on it I think the commenter was right.
The ministry still lives in the past, a heart break to say the least ❤️♍️🗝🧙🏻♂️
I liked this video fine, but I do have a few notes.
1. Title: 'The Ministry is more evil than you think' - video gives very good, rational reasons for what the Ministry supposedly gets up to, even concluding the Wizarding World is morally superior.
2. 'The Ministry is more evil than you think' - given what seems to be the common feeling regarding the Ministry, I find that unlikely.
3. I'm sorry, but is the Ministry so incompetent it can barely regulate the Wizarding World with everything going fine, or is it a shadowy cabal secretly pulling the strings on Wizards and Muggles alike? I think both are wrong, but both at once is definitely impossible, despite even Rowling seemingly claiming both are true. They screw up... things?... in 'Philosophers' Stone', but control everything in 'Order of the Phoenix'.
That being said, except point 1, these are fandom complaints, not the video's fault. Have a like 👍
I would say either the imperius curse or an obliviation charm like the reality is it could definitely more than likely be a thing that the imperius curse would come into play because of what it does but unfortunately the movies and from what I read from the books that I can remember the imperius curse does not give much cognitive function while you're controlling somebody it's literally a puppet because you're drugged I think an obliviation charm would be able to knock out whatever information that they didn't need known while a particularly strong wizard would be able to keep the memories of what they're supposed to do and who they are intact I mean if we think about it the Neville theory actually is a good piece of evidence to this info he's definitely intelligent but he has lapses and memory and it's only certain things and you haven't gotten completely nuts like if Lockhart got a hold of you and a simple way to actually accomplish a trust of The wizarding world while agreeing to keep it safe if you're a muggle is to have someone forget the witch trials completely and probably replace the memory with something different I mean I know this a very loose theory but using an imperius curse from what I've seen requires you to be in fairly close vicinity at all times it would really kind of be impractical to have someone right behind them in an invisibility cloak the whole freaking time LOL although I can definitely see how imperius curse you could be more viable at the same time
If the wizarding world controls the muggle Prime Minister, why didn't the Ministry of Magic attack the muggle world through the muggle Ministry when the Death Eaters controlled the Ministry of Magic? 🤔
Cavill is the hero we need and deserve🤘🏻
A's to your Q's: yes, yes & a lot.
I’ll dwell on dreams all I want, thank you very much. Muggle.
Well, they are basicaly government in the wizard world, which speaks for itself.
Are wizards and witches code words for judaic longnose tribe?
Snape and goblins are considered to be anti-Semitic.
Yes.
sorry mate but using the imperius curse would still be out of a wish for power even if it is as you describe it still is a form of power
I did wonder about this. It's not like prime ministers etc. are the best of people.
*looks at Boris*
This reminds me of the present state of the British government where the Prime Minister is a weak politician being controlled by an outside force.
Wath if Muggles have star trek level technology wizardkind’s are not secret any more no long control Muggles.
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another swing and a miss for a hit take like most of the time
Love this!
I am the Supreme Mugwump
This guy is a Wizard apologist
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I can't help thinking about Jews and Muslims
As in Israel controls Mahmoud Abbas?
Your theory is super wrong.
Yikes. Lol
Good video. Terrible take.
So stupid?
Difference between wizards and witches in Harry Potter and real life is, in real life they are submitting themselves to demons for power, and thus are themselves, denying Christ and his salvation, to their own destruction, and also the destruction of others in this fashion… while in Harry Potter, they are just magical and that’s awesome! Actually much how redeemed people will be in Christ after the resurrection! 🤔 think about it! Choose life in Christ! 😊
Not the place to entice people into your cult, zealot!
@@JamesDavy2009 Yes it is, why wouldn't it be?
@@EricRuskoski Your Cult of the Cross nonsense is irrelevant to the topic of the video, that's why. If you really want to preach, get yourself ordained as a priest and work in a church. Your own cult has a thing against false gods and false prophets.
@@JamesDavy2009 Hmm, the scripture say go out into the world and preach the gospel to every living creature... Being Ordained isn't a requirement of the great commission, nor are we to keep it only inside the churches.
But yeah, false Gods and false prophets aren't good...
Also, to elaborate on how it is relevant to the video because it is comparing the Fictional Wizarding population of Harry Potter, having the ability to control the Muggles if they want to (9:00), but not being the aggressive ones, much how it's going to be during the 1000 reign of Christ soon to come in real life, with the redeemed ruling, and those who are still in their mortal bodies being eventually aggressive towards Christ towards the end, (book of revelation) and introducing the idea that this is a true concept that's presented in the Christian Bible, and explaining to folks who enjoy the Fiction of Harry Potter, that the truth is actually more interesting, and for those who can grasp the concepts the bible speaks up about the future, and want something similar (to Harry Potter) for real, and not just in fictional writing, they can have that hope in Christ! How cool is that? 🥕not just vague ideas about the future, or life after death, but specific details! Even what's after the 1000 years on this Earth. Pretty neat stuff if you ask me. Hope someone is interested... and I Hope that helps shed light on why I mentioned it in the first place...
I have seen this one before,only under another title.