Random Sparring Katana vs Longsword

A friendly tryout of cross weapon training.

[@mikemjb2017]

Lots of people in the comments assuming that the only way to wield the Katana is traditional, picturesque Kendo stances and guards. Musashi himself says every guard is adaptable to the situation to the point where they all become one fluid guard. I doubt he would see a problem doing whatever works rather than limiting yourself to convention. Good fighting.

[@bonddeng9581]

Thanks! My feeling exactly. The real disturbing point is that, even different Koryu practices different guards, stands and movement methods, but certain people will assume there is only one kind of standard to follow. Worse still, they derive this imagination from popular cultures. Even Kendo is a better reference

[@GatAnarquista]

@@bonddeng9581 Not trying to sound like an asshole but I practice kendo and the person using the katana just doesn't apply any of the principles of kendo and kenjutsu most of the time. They're not changing and adapting stances and techniques, they ignore them most of the time.

[@chrisnorris3641]

What's Traditional though? There are literally dozens of different styles.

[@zududeditor4576]

Masyaallah Super :>

[@sarperdogan6454]

@@GatAnarquista Yeah glad you mentioned this. It wasn't what Musashi was mentioning when he said all Kameas become a single flowing Kamae, that is an incredibly high level concept compared to this video...

[@grodygibsonlcd8038]

Guy with the Katana is honestly amazing, dude has that Ghost of Tsushima tier footwork GODDAMN son who did your motion capture??

[@OctopusH2O]

He has no balance in his movement

[@madnessbydesign1415]

Sorry, but he's off balance most of the time, and loses distance by holding the sword too close to his body to compensate. I understand this is just friends playing around, so I don't judge them too harshly, but those watching should know that this footwork would get you killed in a real fight.

[@ZerogunRivale]

Off balance, yes. Holding sword too close to his body? No. Those are actual stance he is using to engage his opponent with a particular set of strikes. There is nothing wrong with that. Simultaneously, the longsword user is also using stances that hold the blade close to himself in order to execute the particular set of strikes he wants. Both are legitimate and can be found in each other's martial arts. The idea that the only proper katana stance is holding your sword out isn't true in iaido which some of his stances come from, and I have to imagine it isn't true in kendo either. Holding your sword ou right in front of yout in iaido, kendo, or HEMA has its counters. There are even some examples in this video which is why the katana user manages to get in quite a few clean strikes that end the round quickly.

[@madnessbydesign1415]

@@ZerogunRivale Fair points. My comment was kept short for simplicity's sake, and may have been misleading.
You are correct - there are indeed times where it is absolutely appropriate to keep the blade closer to the body, but what I see here (frequently) is not a stylistic choice, but his unsure footwork needing to be compensated for by bringing the sword closer to avoid falling over. I am unaware of any weapon style (or empty hand, if we're honest) that doesn't stress the importance of good footwork.
Again, this was an informal 'fun' match, so I was really critiquing the original poster's claim that this was "honestly amazing, dude has that Ghost of Tsushima tier footwork" more than the swordsman himself. They were having fun and testing themselves, and that's great! Hopefully, both players learned and can grow from it... :)

[@rookieluke3550]

I see a lot of comments saying that the katana guy is using the blade like a longsword...
They must have no Japanese swordmanship experience at all and base their comments on what they see in media and anime.
While katana and LS does have differences in sharpening and balance, its because they are optimized for different purposes. In the end of the day, they are both sharp weighted metal sticks, how u use them cant be THAT different, they both rely on point of contact, positioning, and intent. So if it looks similar to an unexperienced person, its only natural.

[@sarperdogan6454]

Well then what kamae was that do you think?

[@rookieluke3550]

the katana user seems to favorite the right low stance(migi gedan no kamae) over seigan. But it is my opinion that a higher stance would be better since the opponent's weapon is longer and heavier.

[@MrBelfering]

My initial thought was that the longsword user was trying to fight too much like a katana user. I believe (possibly incorrectly mind you) that most longsword fighting styles were sharp thrusts instead of wide swings. And that the most common fighting stances involved holding the blade with one hand (more like a spear). This was done because it gave enough jabbing power to pierce chainmail. No matter how powerful a longsword swing was, the blade would never be sharp enough to cut metal, so you had to jab under the arm pits or in other exposed areas if you wanted a kill. Katanas in contrast had different armors that they had to defeat and were therefore more designed to cut, with fighting styles to match.

[@rookieluke3550]

@@MrBelfering You are not wrong in that area of usage of a longsword. However longsword was also used as a dueling weapon as well, in which case their usage is very similar to that of a katana. The usage of holding the longsword like a spear to deal with armor falls more under a technique rather than the overarching style of a LS. Nowadays instead of the spear style the sword one is more popular, since nobody is trying to pierce armor nowadays. The spear hold also has close quarter counter fighting advantages. But such techniques also exist with a katana with one hand guiding the back of the blade.

[@madnessbydesign1415]

Despite being "sharp weighted metal sticks", their use can indeed be very different. A double edged long sword is used very differently than a single edged katana. A Chinese broadsword is also a 'sharp weighted metal stick', but it's also used differently than the other two.
The katana, despite its reputation for being indestructible, is actually quite vulnerable to sideways and twisting forces. It's basically a 3' razor blade that is very strong in the direction of the cut, but any twisting during that cut can ruin the blade. This is why Samurai practiced so relentlessly - and why the way they hold it is so important. Katanas are amazing in the hands of a true master, but that mastery requires great dedication... :)

[@ADMKI123]

wow 0:30 that was "harai men" which is rare technique in kendo. What a great shot 👍 !

[@shira_yone]

Isn't Harai-men only goes for the head? If it went over (swings past the head and goes lower) it might be something else.
As far as I know Kendo have strict emphasis on hit placement so I don't know if over swings are allowed in their techniques.
Not downplaying his amazing moves or anything, just wondering if it might be some other technique that's not from Kendo (Kendo is way too rigid for actual spars like this imo).

[@ulysses11]

@@shira_yone well, notice it was directed to the head but his opponent stepped back and the blade slashed his torso instead.

[@shira_yone]

@@ulysses11 that's not the issue. If it's an actual Kendo-ka performing a Harai-men, then an overswing would be seen as bad execution.
You see them practice Harai-men and they always stop at the head, if not also bounce back and raise the sword again; they don't overswing or even let it stay down at all.

[@ulysses11]

@@shira_yone oh ok then, thanks for pointing that out.

[@Vergil06]

I am Kendoka from Korea who has been training Kendo for 11 years.
I think it's closer to Suriage-Men.
Looks like 'Suriage' connecting from instantaneous 'Gedan'.

[@mksmike]

The only big difference in fighting styles is that the Katana guy will cut more often and the Longsword guy will thrust more often.

[@Lyvey]

i love how two very different cultures with no contact between each other can develop two VERY similar concepts, the Knights and the Samurai. Both practiced a great deal on how to fight effectively with a two handed sword. I’d love to see more cross-culture exchange between practitioners of Eastern and Western (and middle eastern and african) sword fighters. Not as a competition, but as a way to share cultures.

[@mewXD-mn6ec]

the difference here is the dude using the katana doesn;t know how to fight like a samurai...not even close

[@FilmFlam-8008]

@@mewXD-mn6ec they are two sharp sticks. The fighting styles are actually very close.
There are some differences based on the handle sizes, but longswords were custom made and didn’t have a standard size or shape

[@jaelonwillis2336]

I noticed that too. Over time, people just naturally gravitated towards a similar style because how effective it was. Mali and japan are so far away from eachother, yet i cant help but notice the similarities in how the takoba and katana are weilded

[@ryandunham1047]

@@FilmFlam-8008I think a lot of it too is the way the human body is built and how many motions we are capable of, compared to what motions we are not, if that makes any sense.

[@user-fu1oq5gj5y]

A samurai is primarily an archer. In this they are much more similar, both in armor and tactics, to the Tatars or Russian manor cavalry. Knights are primarily heavy cavalry, practicing formation charges with pikes and wearing heavy armor.
The only thing they have in common is a reluctance to dismount)))

[@Vospader21]

What I find interesting about this, is how quick each round ends. Media likes to make sword fights be longer and more drawn out. But I suppose in real life the fights actually were settled in seconds.

[@rwouwenaarrw]

More deflecting with armor and such.

[@polodok9988]

I think the longest a sword fight would usually last is about 35ish secs, idk though

[@jaelonwillis2336]

@@rwouwenaarrw against armor, you would most likely just end up damaging your blade. Spears and blunt weapons like maces were preferred against armor, especially heavy european armor. A lot of soldiers would end up just grabbing branches and using those instead of their blades

[@scarrodriguez3178]

@@polodok9988 not necessarily, in a fight with a real weapon and the risk of loosing life, people prefer to have a large distance between them most of the time even when attacking. That can make the fight go on for many minutes. That’s not always the case, but in my country there are still cases of people in the countryside that fights with corvos (machetes), sometimes can last some seconds and someone dies or goes to hospital or sometimes last many minutes and if no one get a letal wound maybe ends up in a tie.

[@polodok9988]

@@scarrodriguez3178 yes, but on average a fight with melee weapons (between two trained individuals) would last 30ish seconds. Some shorter, and some larger than the average

[@fuyutsukirai]

Some people bitching about how he moves like bruh, do you really think it works like that on actual, fast paced fight with the intent to kill combat?
Sure it's good to follow own's principle but judging someone's style just because it doesn't follow your principle is dumb.
I don't know shit about kenjutsu or martial arts in general but I do know that- if it works, IT FUCKING WORKS.

[@rustylarry7465]

Yeah, both are blades, and an actual life or death duel end shortly.

[@bretonfou7046]

@@rustylarry7465 Depends on skill. It could either be very fast or last a few minutes. Also if we take armor into account then it'd be wery one sided, fighting full plate with a Katana would be suicide.

[@rya3190]

I feel like he gets more wild to get a better feel for the blade, and it starts paying off. Honestly, they're sparing, do whatever you can to get that sword down.

[@borislavkrustev8906]

Great footwork from the katana guy, and awesome basic mechanics from both.

[@sampokuru8141]

Great sparring!!! you can see that the longsword is generally more wieldy, but the katana tends to hit harder. Of course a fight between two katana users will look different, than with one person having a longsword

[@flowerhana__1]

Notice how katana artist is not only changing his stance to get the tactical advantage, he also stays defensive to learn and analyze more.

[@user-tk1sy5lr6j]

日本刀vs西洋剣の戦い、大変興味深いです。
西洋剣は突きを多用すると思っていましたが、切る攻撃が多いのですね。
刃引きであっても真剣での打ち合いは見ていて怖いです。😅

[@jeremypintsize7606]

German style is based on cuts, thrust are the base of rapier - slim and thrust centric one handed long longsword -
For rapier vs Katana a simple exemple is here :
th-cam.com/video/Y6RGw3aYPkc/w-d-xo.html

[@Arcana437]

No shit that the katana guy wouold wield it similar to a long sword, heck even people who trained chinese swordplay would look almost the same, because the design is similar and the one who uses them only has 2 arms and 2 legs. There's just so many ways we can move our body with function in mind.

[@chancecisneros3492]

He forgot to spam rivers of blood and bloodhound step.

[@bornsinner_xix]

Very entertaining, well done both of you😄

[@vicnighthorse]

Thanks for making this video. I am an old guy that has to slowdown the replay because my eyes and brain are too slow to grasp what is happening much of the time. Some indication from the fighters or graphical notation of where there were hits and if they were safe or doubles would help guys like me get more from the videos.

[@moka8277]

Longsword guy had reach advantage, yet the shorter dude adapted. Well fought, both!

[@STIRJr]

両手持ちの打刀と両手持ちのロングソード（ツヴァイハンダー？）の対決は良いですね！
打刀とレイピアの対決だと両手剣と片手剣の対決になってしまうので、こちらのほうが正真正銘の両手剣同士の東西対決ですね！！
（でもツヴァイハンダー相手なら打刀より太刀のほうが良いかも）

[@bonddeng9581]

コメントありがとございました！僕はもっと長い大太刀を使いたいけど、今試合用の剣は被害軽減のため本物の刃よりは柔らかく
弾性がある刃を使用してるため、あんまり長い大太刀を使うと揺れる可能性が大きく使いづらい

[@STIRJr]

@@bonddeng9581 安全のために柔らかくしているせいで、刀身が長くなるとしなりが強くなっちゃうんですね・・・勉強になりました！

[@Bevallalom]

Nice video. You both need to work on side-step footwork. You guys only do back-and-forth movements mainly. When I do sparring (katana) I am mostly "the winner" when I do step, jump sideways while doing a block/parry + counter attack.

[@perialis2970]

jumping sideways is bad for a katana
can be more efficient strafing sideways, by keeping your posture and head on level, you have more control and power

[@vincentlee7359]

We got a sword master in the comments, oh no.

[@perialis2970]

@@vincentlee7359 heck yea im a dan 2 kendoka
which is still pretty low but its like 3 years of experience

[@Bevallalom]

@@perialis2970 jumping, I ment for mainly for hand-to-hand, but there are jumping with katana too. At least some katas have jumping. But here I ment sidewise footwork. My English is not the best so... I don't have real fight experience with weapons (fortunately), only sparring. But w/o weapons I had to fight a lot and trianglonal footwork (parrying) always proved to be effective.

[@yichenliu1205]

@@Bevallalom more side-way footwork, Yes. but jumps, big no. Miyamoto Musashi himself highly criticized any footwork other than "fight as you normally walk" and called out jumpy footwork for cultivating a jumpy spirit, which is bad for swordsmanship.

[@gapefart1042]

Is it me or are these opponents unevenly matched? I've seen a number of similar fights where the longsword had better reach and won most engagements. However in this fight, once that katana is in reach, the opponent is getting cut. Still though good fight. I agree that it seems like this katana user has a firm understanding of the styles and incorporates them fluidly into whatever situation he finds himself in.

[@bonddeng9581]

Yes katana person is slightly more advanced in skills. But mostly this is a friendly fight so both sides were not that serious

[@Braveheart_Studios]

What sword is that the katana fighter is using? I've been interested in finding some good steel katana trainers but options are limited.

[@sharkbaII]

oh man!!! this has to be the coolest video ive come across this whole week!

[@lai_strength_training]

The katana guy looks like he doesn't really know what he's doing...he's wielding the katana like a European longsword...

[@SamuraiSwordperson]

that's basically what happens in all hema videos featuring a katana

[@tantan19910603]

Look at his footwork and how he generate power more carefully...

[@SamuraiSwordperson]

@@tantan19910603 it looks awful tbh. As does his whole setup. Like wtf is up with that gambeson

[@cheersbro7347]

@@SamuraiSwordperson the other guy's armor looks Bad Ass however

[@madadem2652]

You do realize Musashi took on and killed like 20 yoshioka students while still being a, relatively, green swordsman with what was and is considered, ‘shit technique’, right? So I don’t really think it matters too much if it confuses and fucks with your opponents game. Not saying this guys any Musashi but the point still stands.

[@definitelynotthequestion5359]

In real fight they used spears and bows (crossbows).
The best sword is a rapier.
And then came guns, making it all obsolete.

[@tn1881]

Mongolia imported katana from Japan in the 13th century. Until the 1960s, Mongolian cavalry used katana on the battlefield. Since they were mercenaries of the Chinese government, the Chinese government public relations magazine described Mongolians with katana. China also had a rapier-like sword, but in the 11th century it imported katana from Japan and in the 16th century the Chinese army used katana.

[@tn1881]

@Boi Trash uchikatana, tachi, nodachi are based on warabiteto and are for horse riding and are two-handed swords. huan shou dao and tang dao are one-handed swords.
The real tang dao that still exists exists only in Japan.Therefore, even in China, there is a theory that Japanese tang dao is different from Chinese tang dao.
日本正仓院唐大刀（唐刀）是否为唐风
The iron sand that is the material of katana in Japan is iron sand that has been weathered by magma. This ironsand has a low content of phosphorus and sulfur and contains vanadium. Phosphorus and sulfur make steel brittle, and vanadium strengthens steel.
In China and the West, the material of the sword is iron ore. Iron ore has a high content of phosphorus and sulfur.
medieval Chinese also recorded the Japanese katana as a special sword.
Min's General Qi Jiguang (1528 - 1588)'s military book Jixiao Xinshu "This was the first time I knew this when a Japanese samurai attacked China. They moved like a dance, and the forward rushing force seemed to flash light, and our Ming soldiers were just distracted. The Japanese are very active and move about 3m at a time.
Since the length of katana is 1.6m, it will be attacked even at a distance of 4.8m. It is difficult to approach with my soldier's sword, it is too late with a spear, and if I encounter it, everyone will be cut off and killed. This is because their weapons are sharp and they are free to use powerful and heavy swords that can be swung with both hands. "
明 戚继光 　纪效新书
此自倭犯中国始有之。彼以此跳舞光闪而前，我兵已夺气矣。倭善跃，一迸足则丈余，刀长五尺，则丈五尺矣。我兵短器难接，长器不捷，遭之者身多两断。缘器利而双手使用，力重故也。
Min Martial Artist Cheng Zongyou (1561-1636) Martial arts book Dan Dao Fa Xuan "We call that Japanese weapon dandao. Use a swinging sword with both hands.
This is a technique unique to Japanese people. The technique is well trained, precise and solid. Japanese swords are easy to handle, and each one makes sense, including the handle and scabbard. No other sword can match the Japanese sword. A well-polished Japanese sword reflects the light of the sun and hits our eyes.
The light makes our hearts cold. In Japanese swordsmanship, the change from side to side is strange and mysterious, and it is not predictable to ordinary people.
Therefore, even if you use a long-handled weapon such as a spear, you will always lose to the Japanese sword. "
明 程冲斗　单刀法选　单刀说
器名单刀，以双手用刀也，其技擅自倭奴，锻炼精坚，制度轻利，靶鞘等物，各各如法，非他方之刀可并，且善磨整，光耀射目，令人心寒。其用法 左右跳跃，奇诈诡秘，人莫能测，故长技每每常败于刀。
Min's military strategist Heliang chen's military book Zhen ji "The Japanese thief's attack is only hit twice or three times with katana,
Often I can't prevent it. You should know the ingenuity of their katana sword technique. "
明 何良臣　阵纪
军中诸技，惟刀剑法少传。若能滚入，使长短兵不及遮拦，便为熟矣。如日本刀不过三两下，往往人不能御，则用刀之巧可知耳。
Chinese Ming Dynasty Military Studies Mao Yuanyi (1594-1640) "Katana is extremely robust and sharp, The Chinese sword is not as good as katana.
Mongolian scholar Zheng Si-xiao (1241-1318)
"Even if ten Japanese people encounter 100 enemies, they will fight against them. If they don't win, they all fight until they die.If they do not die in the war, they will be killed by the king's hand when they return. Japanese women are also very temperamental and should not be attacked.katana is extremely sharp. "
鄭思肖『心史』中興集 元韃攻日本敗北歌
倭人狠不懼死，十人遇百人亦戰，不勝俱死，不战死，歸亦為倭主所殺。倭婦甚烈，不可犯。幼歲取犀角刈　小珠，种額上善水不溺，倭刀極利，地高險難入，可為戰守
Since China is a conquest dynasty, ancient Chinese and modern Chinese are different ethnic groups. The Tang dynasty is the Xianbei dynasty.
The term Chinese nation is a concept that describes a political community that unites all cultural groups of Chinese nationality. This concept was created by Liang Ch'i-ch'ao in 1902.

[@Lyvey]

@@tn1881 Japanese steel was not inferior to pre-industrial Europe’s steel

[@tn1881]

@@Lyvey The Japanese iron manufacturing method uses charcoal and iron sand made by weathering magma as materials. This iron sand has low phosphorus and sulfur content and contains vanadium. Phosphorus and sulfur make steel brittle, and vanadium strengthens it.
Iron ore and coal are high in phosphorus and sulfur and do not contain vanadium.
In ancient Japan, slag was called noro, and the process of removing slag was called noro dashi or noro shibori.
In tatara ironmaking, the iron sand is semi-molten by keeping the furnace at 1300℃, but only phosphorus, sulfur and impurities are melted and discharged. So impurities are removed from tamahagane, the material of katana
The low-temperature reduction method makes the grains of the steel smaller, so the steel has excellent toughness. Vanadium makes the steel malleable and easy to roll, making it easy to fold.
By folding, the vanadium is finely dispersed and combined with carbon to form a fine metal structure, so the katana has excellent hardness, abrasion resistance, corrosion resistance, and toughness, and becomes beautiful when sharpened.
Hitting the steel with a hammer removes the carbon with a spark, so the carbon content drops to 0.7%, which is suitable for katana.
By folding, the steel of katana is in a state where austenite and martensite, which have different hardnesses, are dispersed.
When a katana is sharpened with a Japanese sharpening stone, the austenite is removed and martensite remains, so the blade becomes like a microscopic saw.
That's why Japanese knives sharpen when cutting.
Japan's Hitachi Metals developed Yasugi Specialty Steel (yasugi hagane) around 1970 by analyzing and applying tatara ironmaking and tamahagane.
Yasugi Steel has the same properties as katana, so it is hard, impact-resistant, and hard to break.
This special steel is used for various purposes such as cutlery steel, materials for high-end kitchen knives made in Japan, materials for razors, automobile parts, automobile engine parts, and aircraft engine parts.
Japanese knives and zwilling Japanese knives are made from steels such as Blue Paper Steel (Aogami), which is based on Yasugi Steel.

[@thelordsanguine6383]

What I find hugely disappointing about HEMA when I've done it is that a good majority of fencers don't utilise feints at ALL. It's a core fundamental skill taught in all beginner fencing (epee, foil sabre) schools is this, as well as disengages/oblique movements.
Even in tournament footage, I rarely see anyone use these basic fundamentals, the practitioners are simply fixated on posing and launching singular-staged attacks/defenses, I just don't understand.
The person with the katana definitely has out-of-HEMA experience, whether it be kendo or olympic fencing. I applaud their tenacity and good utilisation of footwork and combat-strategy. bravo.

[@bonddeng9581]

However, I do not agree that HEMA fencers don't use feints, they do and many do it really really well. I think you might be restricted in your personal experience, and it could be hard to see that when all of that goes really fast.

[@perialis2970]

the armor in this video looks so limiting hahaha
but i see the katana has a fairly long grip, that actually makes the katana alot lighter, but worse overall in flexibility.
edit: flexbility as in wrist flexibility

[@tristanr320]

Good to see katana vs longsword without one guy being in a kendo suit.

[@AaaaAaaa-mw2nq]

Longsword guy has some great footwork.

[@spikechang556]

Don't get me wrong, I prefer a longsword because of it's weight distribution, but I'm curious, why do people in these "katana vs longsword" videos always use the short katana over the longer one? It's like having one fighter use a shortsword to fight the longsword, or a sword to spear. Length plays a big role in weapons fighting, way more so than in MMA. I can't imagine someone with any common sense would generally want to use the shorter stick, given that it's open area?

[@bonddeng9581]

Becuase I don't really own a longer katana at that time, if someone buys me one I will make a new video right away.

[@roflryan1]

Your portal opening days are over hand over the Yamato.
If you want it you'll have to take it.

[@bonddeng9581]

Not sure what that means, if you used a translator I suggest just put whatever the original language is

[@roflryan1]

@@bonddeng9581 It's the final fight in Devil may cry 5. Dante vs Virgil.

[@vihurah9554]

@@bonddeng9581 hes making a reference

[@Mr.Truong_Tham_My]

Tôi nghĩ nếu không có áo giáp thì một cuộc đấu kiếm sẽ kết thúc dưới 5 giây

[@weaponman3872]

Great katana movement , looks like how it's actually used , no tap tap stuff here , great fight , all this katana gut is using wrong is bs , he is definitely using it correctly, which is more than most hema style katana sparing I see

[@based_prophet]

honestly tachi would be unparalleled with katana in other hand - miyomoto based

[@vihurah9554]

Have u considered doing this fight over with a naginata-like blade xD

[@johnberry7662]

Longsword guy isn’t using his range.

[@satugores9245]

00:30 wow thats clean

[@user-ey7rp6bl2n]

Where is thrusts?

[@moxigen]

always pressure test yourself. technique or rules are one thing... an opponent trying to hit you as hard as possible another!

[@RadxPLord]

Wow, it's almost like both styles are fine if you have good practices

[@solomonjenkins9505]

tres dank

[@user-vx7gx7mr6z]

This katana looks longer
How long is its blade?

[@mrmvprobas]

score wise who won??

[@deathcold_longplaysua4846]

Cool! I hope that those swords are not sharp, cause if they are then that body protection would not stop them, especially Katana. That baby would cut through you like you were not there.

[@BernasLL]

Isn't that more of an odachi?

[@bonddeng9581]

katana かたな = single-edged sword in Japanese, it represents all kinds of swords. Odachi is but a kind of katana. The more 'standard' length katana in people who don't know about it is called ’うちがたなuchigatana' which is also a kind of katana

[@bonddeng9581]

Questioning shouldn't it be an odachi is like saying it is not a sword because it is a 'big sword'

[@vincentlee7359]

Watch out... There are some "sword masters" in the comments who only have limited knowledge from anime and possibly a tiny experience with Eastern weapons.

[@vincentlee7359]

@@SamuraiSwordperson Sounds like some one got mad over words. "Bro" I'm calling people out like you who love to criticize people but can't take any.
Can't "cough" up an argument with a person who is closed minded and only based things on his perspective ONLY. Especially if they're butt hurt for being called out (you).

[@vincentlee7359]

@@SamuraiSwordperson Sure sure "Sword Master."
Whatever you say. As if I'd believe your credentials over the internet anyone can make up. If you truly did attend a HEMA club then you wouldn't have said garbage in the first place because we both know what types of people are generally in HEMA. Then again, you're just anal about everything. I hope you don't force your ideology of how things should be done down people's throats like you do online oh great anime watching "Sword Master."

[@vincentlee7359]

@@SamuraiSwordperson I find it funny because for a person such as yourself, you bash this guy in other comments. Yet you didn't even notice his movements? Some HEMA/Iado practitioner you are. What next, you're going to tell me Akido is the best self defense martial arts in the world? Lmfao.

[@vincentlee7359]

@@SamuraiSwordperson Yeah after he had to defend himself from your stupidity then again you still believe in your beliefs about 1 way of using a sword lmao

[@vincentlee7359]

@@SamuraiSwordperson Aw, I guess the "Sword Master" is done being a douche.

[@Stardusthill]

Kendo fans are wrong thinking kendo forms are the right way to fight like a true samurai warrior and that’s dead wrong, kenjutsu is the original art of fighting like a samurai, kendo is only a sport pretending to fight like a samurai but because it was made a sport many changes were made and many techniques were eliminated whilst many other techniques were adapted for sporting purposes.

[@tantan19910603]

I think you are really kind to give those troller these much information LOL

[@bonddeng9581]

😅I guess we practice martial arts to strengthen our spirituality as well

[@tantan19910603]

@@bonddeng9581 I guess u are right but i am just too tired to do the right thing after all these year in this toxic martial arts community. Anyway, 內行看門道/行家一出手便知有沒有，KEEP THE GD WORK!

[@billywashere6965]

I don't think these people are here to troll, but rather some come from more strict schools of thought regarding weapon use, and they are commenting on what they feel is a lack of discipline based on what they were taught or how they train. Him addressing them is good because it opens a dialogue for people who are unfamiliar with the techniques and don't know why some of these commenters have an issue with his movements, while also informing them why he's chosen to fight using the techniques he does. In the end, more information is always better because it removes all doubt and gives people a better understanding of what they're seeing.

[@bonddeng9581]

@@billywashere6965 honestly I was just being polite. I (or we as weapon practitioners as a community) am overly familiar with the group of people who primarily relies on popular culture as their reference for how “a sword fight should look like” while lacking the most basic experience of using weapons full-speed. There are also people unfamiliar with the basics such as what differentiates a katana, uchigatana and tachi but try to lecture me. All in all we think they are examples of Kruger-Dunning effect that doesn’t worth too much attention, but meeting them already too much make me calm about their presence.

[@soundsculptor3549]

@@bonddeng9581 I have my opinions about this as well but I must respect your demeanor most of all towards all of the comments that are lacking in grace and more rude. Your spirit shows that the philosophy of martial arts is deep seated in you.

[@LSwordMaster]

Good!!

[@devdecker7812]

I still feel like real sword fights looked way different.

[@bonddeng9581]

Well, surely, I just we don’t have enough real sword fights these days and TH-cam wouldn’t allow them

[@AstralTraveler]

Of course! If we talking about duels - there was probably much more blood and in most cases the fight was over after around 10-20 seconds with one or both participants being severely wounded or dead...
And if we're talking about swords fights on a battlefield - well, technique didn't play too much of a role there, as soldiers were mostly wearing different kinds of armor and used shields... What mattered, was to make the opponent dead or disabled by any means necessary...

[@billywashere6965]

You should check out the film Hearts and Armor, the fight at the end with the Japanese swordsman versus the knight is a VERY good indicator of how fights played out. It was also a good showcase of how hammers were used not to pierce or bloody an opponent but to incapacitate them by just straight up breaking vital bones in their limbs. The movie also showcases how sometimes nearly every part of the armor could be a weapon, including the headdress.

[@devdecker7812]

@@AstralTraveler I’ve always thought large battles were probably the most absolute brutal thing in the history of our planet.

[@AstralTraveler]

@@devdecker7812 yeah - imagine that it was pretty common to sh*t yourself during a battle - and now imagine that you're wearing a full plate armor and that the battle just began and it might take at least couple hours for it to end... Not cool...

[@walkinginsingapore8548]

Niceeee , I see sparks

[@hwchy7]

Twosome u black samurai and longswordman also~
how can u learn koryu ... anyway
it looks very difficult for katana to prevail long sword.
long sword is long fast and various in attack directions.
If those two swords have same winning rate, then katana is recommanded since its portability.
how do u samurai guys think about?

[@lelieutenant7386]

these girls are just playing with metal sticks, not sparring.

[@user-do3cc8sd1b]

厲害

[@setiyahadi8807]

AriYansahyana

[@lolcatjunior]

This actually isn't kendo or kenjutsu, this is chinese miaodao technique. The sword is also straight instead of bent like a katana and it's significantly longer like a nodachi or a tachi.

[@weachula]

iaido is not allow?

[@emiliojimenez6049]

Ya no se ve tan genial, cómo nos hacen creer.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

“…”
“I’m seeing a lotta autism in this comment section”
“Their both fucking long swords, ones just a general euro double sided long sword”
“Holy shit, you use both like a Goddam long sword”
“CAUSE THEIR FUCKING LONGSWORDS”

[@user-wb6nn2og9t]

I don't think this is the correct way to use a Katana.

[@chasefoster8092]

The main problems I see with nearly all swordsman is being over zealous. It almost always devolves into a game of tag

[@ieieee447]

I want the unlike button bsck so we can actually know did people find this inpressive....... youtube is trash...

[@bonddeng9581]

Be a nice person, ask gently, I can always give you data, like for now there are 1211 likes vs 33 dislikes.

[@JDA2185]

The fact is that a long sword will always give you a very significant advantage due to its longer reach. That's a very significant advantage. So a longer sword than the Katana will always provide an advantage over the one who holds the katana. Anybody who says katana is the best sword ever made is an idiot. Especially today when the propaganda over it has been blown apart a long time ago.

[@perialis2970]

I guess you are right with reach but whats that when the katana is made for parrying and blocking?
plus eastern weapons are usually heavy and katanas parry very well, they usually redirect the swing of so after that the enemy takes a long time to get back in stance again.
so the advantage may be big, but something you should remember when fighting against experts.
but im not saying the katana the best, upon a real medieval fight, realistically i think the long sword would win because katanas do 0 damage to armored enemies while the long sword has some mass to bruise whats under the armor.

[@JDA2185]

@@perialis2970 Man, everything you said here " I guess you are right with reach but whats that when the katana is made for parrying and blocking?
plus eastern weapons are usually heavy and katanas parry very well, they usually redirect the swing of so after that the enemy takes a long time to get back in stance again." is nothing more than theory. That's not how things happen in a real fight. A longer reach, this includes arms and legs will always give you an advantage in a fight. The fighter that is shorter and has the reach disadvantage will always have a much harder time defeating taller and heavier opponents. Mike Tyson is a very rare example of someone who could do this but if you watch his fights you se he had to put a lot of effort into achieving that. So as soon as he lost that fierce will to fight, he couldn't achieve it anymore.

[@perialis2970]

@@JDA2185 im pretty sure reach is not all that important in a fight
mike tyson is just an example of many. and any theory is a good thing to do, and you are saying its like an excuse to what is actually true.
but lets stay on statistics because you dislike theories that much.
Long sword and katanas actually have pretty similar weight, just different by around 200-600 grams or more, but heres the thing, the longsword is loong is because of that weight on the tip of the sword feels 3 times heavier than it should. meanwhile the katana is shorter meaning faster swings.
The fact is that a katana will always give you a very significant advantage due to its better mobility and lightness, thats a very significant advantage. so a katana will always provide an advantage over who has a long sword. anybody who says the katana or long sword is a narc. especially today when theres so many fat dudes talking from experience of watching anime and not actually trying it out for themselves.
i have tried kendo, and i wish to also try hema but it looks expensive as kendo.
a real fight for example, samurais trained in many martial arts, including judo so they are not limited to their sword.

[@perialis2970]

@@JDA2185 and im not trying to say reach is a disability, its something you can think of a way to overcome if you are fighting against someone longer than you
mike tyson is one badass to know that.

[@bretonfou7046]

@@perialis2970 And Knights trained from childhood with all kinds of weaponry, they wrestled as well. Katanas may be lighter, but not by much so it wouldn't make any difference on how fast your swings are. I've handled longswords before and they are really light, all these clichés about them being heavy and clumsy is just bullshit coming from weebs who think Katanas are the "bestest swords ever".
European swords and Japanese swords had completely different roles, they were adapted to their environment. European swords were multi function tools, you could cut when people weren't wearing armor (or if some part of their body was exposed), usually against armored oponnents you would either stab weak points (armpits, eyeslits...) with techniques such as half-swording or alternatively you could grab the sword by the blade and smash them with the guard/pommel. Katanas on the other hand were made mainly for cutting, that's why the blade is curved. Armor wasn't as advanced in Feudal Japan, so there wasn't as much need to make weapons to counter it ( although maces and such did exist but weren't as prominent ).
If you ask me a Knight in full plate would easily defeat a Samurai, simply because European armor was much more advanced and Katanas weren't made to fight that.

[@bretonfou7046]

All these weebs in the comments thinking they are master swordsmen lmao.

[@1978samsung]

that is worse in any ways,... both of them. the small one doesnt know to handle a katane, the bigger one watched to many swordfight movies. he has the longsword, if he would know what to do, the fight is over in one move... very awefull....

[@bonddeng9581]

Good reasons games and animes didn’t invite us to join and become characters yet

[@Arcana437]

And you doesn't know how to properly type the spelling of katana.

[@Arcana437]

You do realize they trained in japan and HEMA, what did you train in?

[@junkyyard2273]

@@Arcana437 keyboard fighting lmaooooo

[@Arcana437]

@@junkyyard2273 ?

[@egm01egm]

Looks like it's too long for katana

[@bonddeng9581]

It was the Sigi XL, 115cm, used to get a bit more balance with the longsword. Even historically Katana can vary in length, so I will say that's fine for me.

[@egm01egm]

@@bonddeng9581 no, this is not a katana, this is a nodachi. They are different swords. This is like you take a zweihander instead of a longsword and call him a longsword.

[@bonddeng9581]

@@egm01egm a katana is basically just “sword” 刀, any kind of Japanese sword might be called that. I think what you wanted to say is 打刀うちがたなuchigatana, the more or less standardised 103cm long katana. It is not what I will call a 野太刀 because that’s not a tachi 太刀 kind of thing. So, I will call it a training katana stimulator, I might not call it a uchigatana, I will not call it a nodachi nor ōdachi

[@bonddeng9581]

@@egm01egm let’s take a reference, www.meihaku.jp/ginga-sword/ginga-tachi-uchigatana/
This gives a statistic about the length uchigatana and tachi in collection in the Nagoya sword museum. You can definitely see a very long uchigatana as well as short tachi. Your judgement about the type of weapon, which is purely based on length is, at least not historically accurate. Unless you want to define Katana very differently from the Japanese historical context, I will say what I had is a katana simulator, it was definitely not a nodachi however.

[@X3GreenTea]

@@egm01egm No way in hell is that a nodachi. A nodachi is an anti- cavalry sword that stood taller than an entire person and would be impossible to use in the manner showed in the video.

[@chrislewis4830]

katana never beats a traditional long sword unless there's a fluke or the long sword wielder is inexperienced. in the video look how thin the long sword is if it was a full thickness blade it would more likely shatter the katana with in the first few strikes. katana blades are very strong swords but are very ridged rather than bend they tend to shatter. there are many reports of samurai warriors. Stamping on victim's blade by the hilt to break them so that sword could not be used against them again. So from the impact of a much longer heavy sword it would cause the sword to bend and shatter. all these films of katanas cutting through concrete and steel is just nonsense. They were a fine very strong sword but brittle when flexed

[@rya3190]

You can brake a lot of swords that way, a 5lb stretch of steal (especially at the top of the tang, typically the weakest part of the sword) can break very easily under 100lbs. The Katana in a real fight (as far as I know, I only have minimal training with a 10lb Claymore and a bastard sword), could be used as a parry weapon (as it was in the Tokugawa period)…with the cavoite that you most definitely could NOT afford more than a few hit. So, you better hope you took Miyamoto's lessons to heart, lol.

[@perialis2970]

katanas suck
u should try bigger katanas
they dominate
frick it use a kanabo
lmao anyone will get hurt

[@bonddeng9581]

This is just for fun, my keyboard warrior style is the best and dominating, katana is nothing compared to it ya know

[@mrfarts5176]

These are like 10 year old kids.

[@bonddeng9581]

12 at least, I content

[@pawpatina]

take the pads off.

[@alexeystayers7626]

Long sword dude, very lowlevel.

[@bonddeng9581]

He's really alright, better than many practitioners already, certainly not advanced enough, but certainly not very low level

[@ultramax6442]

larping