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5:08 I'd keep this theory of the White Witch resurrected as still plausible. Aslan was resurrected through the Laws of Deep Magic as he sacrificed himself instead of a traitor. But who's to say she couldn't have been resurrected by some other obscure Law of Deep Magic? I can't remember how in the book but the movie they just needed Caspian's blood, so blood magic could be ancient and mysterious. That said, I'm leaning most toward the theory with the giants.
I just noticed a mistake from you. Aslan is not all knowing. That power belongs to the Deep Magic which controls Aslan's destiny. For Narnia, God is the equivalent to the Deep magic while Jesus is the equivalent to Aslan. The deep magic and Aslan are one of the same but 2 of one.
@@milliesecond102 sure is. In understanding the trinity it's definitely something C.S. Lewis knew well. The best example I know is dihydrogen monoxide also know as water and H2O. It exists in three phases yet is still one molecule.
In at least two of the novels, Aslan refers to his father as The Emperor Beyond the Sea. Very little is known about him but it seems implied that he is the 'capital G' God who IS...no beginning or end. I grew up in very legalistic churches. I believe that reading Lewis was one of the only things that kept me from throwing out everything about Christianity and more importantly, from losing my faith altogether. I still reread these books, but more as good stories and less for theology. For theological reading endeavors I go to his nonfiction books, like Mere Christianity. I guess what I'm getting at is that these books and the Space Trilogy are wonderful literary gifts for those disillusioned by the choices we have today: heavy handed religion in 'christian' fiction or amoral, atheistic dogmas and, well, trash in secular fiction. Lewis had that gift for writing...he was first and foremost a writer. He loved it and wrote in such a way that his fictional works appeal to nearly everyone, faith or no faith.
What? The whole history of Charn? That would be facinating! If it was done correctly. But this would have to be fan fiction, and someone really creative at that! Someone really imaginative. The long, sad history of Charn, from its first fall into evil, through long lines of kings, progressively getting worse and worse, while the city of Charn is growing. And at the very last, the great battle, the last battle of Charn, just before Jadis spoke the deplorable word. This is a world with no higher good and good is left to man. This is what happens when man reigns supreme, and evil comes of it. The finding of magic, or maybe magic always was part of that world, and the discovery of the Deplorable Word...
Interesting. I had never even known that there were various theories about the Green Witch. To me, I just always wondered who she was and where she came from, and just left it at that. (Although I must admit, when the BBC film came out back in the 80s, I wondered then if she was somehow connected to Jadis, since they were both played by Barbara Kellerman.) But while I was watching your video, and hearing the various theories, I kind of came up with my own theory: We know that that it would be Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve that would fulfill the prophecy that would destroy the reign of Jadis. We also know that Jadis was part Jinn. We learn this from Mrs Beaver when she says "But she's no Daughter of Eve. She comes of your father Adam's ... first wife, her they called Lilith. And she was one of the Jinn." So, although I don't specifically accept your theory about the Green Witch being the daughter of Jadis, I'm thinking that she is somehow ANOTHER "Daughter of Lilith"! Specifically because the entire "Lilith Lore" is about how she swore vengeance on the children of Eve, since Lilith was supposedly Adam's First wife, but after God punished and exiled her, He then gave Adam his Second wife, who was Eve. It would make sense then that Lilith's line would still be out to destroy Eve's. If this is true, the Green Witch certainly has the same power and characteristics to do so, and would seem to fit the bill.
Love these theories! The last one is very intriguing! About half way through I was like, "What if Jadis was PREGNANT?!" haha. So glad you covered it! Well done, my friend.
She would have done it with a hapless giant? Pity the poor giant. If with a man, then pity the poor man even more. The illustrations in Magician's Nephew are really, really good, however, the text does say that there were a great many more empty seats beyond Jadis, not just the one. We can only see one because of the small size of the picture. The hall had been intended for a much larger collection, but Jadis cut it short prematurely.
It makes sense. She was very powerful; while in Charn she could have had any man she wanted. Also, the moment she arrives in Narnia, she has a vendetta with Aslan. She hates him, but fears him because he is more powerful than she. Her main goal, then, is to defeat him somehow. Thus, she stays in the north and grows in power and gathers an army, and during that time has a daughter who is also immortal. Leaving her daughter with a giantess nanny at Harfang is plausible: she is busy preparing to return south to defeat Narnia and become queen. She wouldn't care if her daughter established a kingdom up north once she has her own in Narnia with high hopes of taking Aslan down. Remember witches are "very practical people," according to Lewis. Then, once Jadis is dead, it would make sense that her daughter would try to retake the country that once was ruled by her mother.
I always assumed that while Jadis was in the north, she used her dark magic to bring creaters into the world that were not present when Aslan created Narnia. I.e. Hags, werewolfs, ogres, minotaurs ect. Possibly she brought other witches from other worlds into Narnia. The Lady of the Green Kirtle possibly could have been one of these witches.
Possibly, but I doubt it. Another witch, unlike the others, might have been seen as a challenge to her power and position. See Jadis' backstory and that battle of hers, where she had to fight with her family, others capable of wielding magic to the point of desperate tactics. See Aslan, who she bitterly, desperately feared. The only way Jadis could come close to ending him was to force an exchange. This is also why I doubt the "daughter hypothesis." Another witch, especially a related witch, would just be another threat to her.
@@JohnZ117 Yeah I'm with you on that. Anyone willing to kill their own sister wouldn't so much as shrug to kill their daughter. Especially if they were paranoid and saw them as a potential threat to their power.
I think your last theory makes sense. Also, in the Magician's Nephew it is mentioned that there were other thrones past Jadis'. So it was clearly hinted that Jadis was never intended to be the last monarch.
But when were the thrones built and set into place? Only when a ruler died? Or were they built several at a time, or even a whole row at a time? Had Jadis not been the last of her kind, Polly and Diggory might have seen not only her (probably truly dead) but her successor in that last throne, and more thrones would have been added in the meanwhile.
@@JJMarkin it's not explained. The most baffling thing for me is that Jadis uses her magic to wipe out every living thing under the sun. Why did she expect someone to come along and awaken her from her spell? She wasn't even aware if there was magic to travel between worlds. That always was a head scratcher
@@Introvertsan I wasn't talking about why she spoke the word. I was wondering who Jadis thought would wake her from her self-imposed enchanted sleep if there was no one in the world alive still. She couldn't have pinned all her hope on the slim chance that someone from another world would ring the bell and wake her up.
@@issakelly8071 honestly would you really care how long you were under a curse if someone eventually did come and wake you up? Sure, Jadis wouldn't have know whether or not someone would come and wake her up but it's not like she was aware of time passing or what was happening while she was waiting. All that matters is that someone eventually did come and wake her up. (Regardless as to who and how)
In Greek/Roman mythology the father has found the son a threat and tried to get rid of him. I can imagine Jadis considering her daughter a threat and trying to get rid of her. She could have been rescued and raised without Jadis having knowlege of her existence. The story that really intrigues me is how the line of Adam was lost following the first King and Queen. My idea is there was a family conflict such as Cain & Able or Isaac & Ishmael, or Jacob & Esau or Joseph & his brothers or Solomon and his brothers or the story of Rehoboam son of Solomon. There are many other possibilities how the tree could have been destroyed. I hope someone will develop one into a story.
Wondering if there might be any connection between Archenland & Calormen and the original descendants of the first King of Narnia. Saul lost the kingdom to David for his bad choices. Perhaps something similar happened in Narnia. Could be ancestral ties between Calormen, Archenland and Narnia in the distant past. Consider where would King Frank and Queen Helen find mates for their children? Of course, Caspian found a wife apparently outside of the race of Adam and Eve. Children of King Frank and Queen Helen could have left Narnia and settled in Archenland or Calormen. I especially have enjoyed the Horse and His Boy. Wondering why the Pevensie children were chosen as monarchs rather than a family from Calormen or Archenland?
@@myronsilver2634 The Magician's Nephew is clear on who King Frank and Queen Helen's children married: they married the magical peoples ("boys married nymphs, and the girls married wood-gods and river-gods.") "Their second son became King of Archenland." I don't think Calormen is mentioned, but humans got there somehow. The Pevensies were chosen because there were no longer any humans in Narnia. The White Witch probably had killed or chased them all out and was watching the borders. By the Pevensies magically coming in, she is caught off guard and is thus defeated by mere children. Remember in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, the Beavers tell the children that the witch was on the lookout for humans after she heard the prophecy that four of them would lead to her death, and that prophecy was already quite ancient.
@@IntotheWardrobe But Caspian's people also came from the world of men. Aslan said there were other doors. The Calormen could have come through one of these other doors into the southern desert. Also I am pretty sure the Magician's Nephew described the Hall of Images as having many empty chairs after Jadus, as if the line was to have continued but was cut short, so the illustration is not of an empty chair for her daughter, but if she knew the power of the Deplorable word, then she would have known her baby would have been protected. She was the ruler after all and probably had a consort.
These are some amazing theories! My one problem with the Emerald Lady being Jadis’ daughter is that she takes so long to even begin to ready her assault on Narnia. You’d think if she was around when the Telmarines conquered Narnia that all of that chaos would have provided numerous opportunities, but then, Jadis took a long time to ready her first assault too. My personal theory is that the Green Wiitch is of the same Lilith bloodline as Jadis, but got into Narnia some time later. Neither of the two are the sort to brook a rival of such power, even if they’re family. They’d have fought like cats if they were both in Narnia at the same time. And we know that it’s not just the pure in heart or the special that can find their way into Narnia, since both Uncle Andrew and the ancestors of the Telmarines do so.
I once heard a long time ago that there was an association between Jadis and the Green Lady, so I think, if not Jadis' own daughter, then she could have been the pupil of a witch tradition founded by Jadis.
One of the owls in the book says that the owls’ theory about the green lady is that she is “one of the same crew” as the white witch. It’s not clear what exactly the owls mean by the word “crew” but it’s obvious that there is *some* connection. Owls are wise, so presumably they were right.
@@kate_cooper Well the Owls themselves may not have known. They were very wise people, but they didn't know everything. Also what the White Witch did during her time away in the far north of the world was not exactly public knowledge. It had also been over a thousand years since the White Witches reign, so it's a lot like us speculating about certain aspects of the Norman Conquest. What the Owls were doing was putting together certain pieces. They realized that the prince had been captured by someone magical (they correctly surmised that the serpent and the woman were one in the same) and that abduction had taken place near the norther border of Narnia. That, combined with the knowledge of their country's history led them to believe that the Green Lady and the White Witch were somehow connected.
What if she actually began as a snake and was turned into the creature we saw her as by the white witch? none of the creatures that work for the witch are mentioned in the Magician's Nephew (except dwarves) so I imagine she either made them or altered existing creatures to suit her needs. Maybe the green witch was one of them?
Or what if theory 3 is partially right, and the Green Lady is a Naiad who joined Jadis during her exile? If she was taught by Jadis, this would explain why she can do things other Naiads can't, and would make her old enough to have seen the Giant city before it was ruins.
According to Michael Wards book "The Narnian Code", the Silver Chair is the Moon book. Its filled to the brim with Moon imagery and symbolism. The fauns are doing a harvest dance in the snow in the moonlight, the words 'wet' and 'water' are used an unnaturally large number of times to describe stuff and the themes of insanity that define the book. Poetically I'd say shes C.S. Lewis own unique version of Selen the Moon Goddess. Crazy, envious of the Sun, denying its existence while only capable of shining second hand sunlight, capable of making nothing real herself. Knowing that, I like the deranged Nyad theory the most. Since that ties her to all the purposeful water symbolism of the book. Maybe her father was a Nyad.
@@danieldishon688 The Magician's Nephew in Aslan's Garden. Jadis ate the forbidden apple, so perhaps the Lady in the Green Kirtle found her way there too.
@@samtjman it's not mentioned in the silver chair and she dies so she's not immortal. I don't think anyone is ever able to go back to that Gardin and get past it's gardien after the events of Magicians Nephew anymore than anyone can go back to Eden and steal it's fruit today. It's a little strange to even bring it's fruit up on my post on why Jadis fits a lot a moon imagery and her book is the moon book. Magicians Nephew is the Venus book and leans on Venus imagery
There aren't any male dryads or naiads they are all women. In mythology, they can conceive children but usually with human men or satyrs/fauns (and sometimes gods). Also, all children conceived from a union between dryads or naiads with human men are all female and end up like their mothers. Also, for clarification, Dryads are tree spirits, and Naiads are freshwater spirits.
I had a teacher read The Lion the witch and the wardrobe to me when I was a kid, but I never read the rest of the books. recently my daughters wanted to watch the movies that were made back when I was a teenager I never was into the movies so this was pretty much like the first time I saw it. Totally made me want to read the books and get into the lore and this channel is really really helping thank you so much it's the best one for The Chronicles of narnia! You got a loyal listener here
Do yourself a favor and SKIP the Voyage of the Dawn Treader movie. The book is amazing, but the movie is a #^$* poor adaptation of it. Or if you insist on watching it, then PLEASE at least read the book first. Then you'll see what I mean.
@@artsman412 yep. In the book, when Lucy is reading the spell to eavesdrop on her friends, the narrator says "NOTHING WILL INDUCE ME TO TELL YOU WHAT SHE SAID", and what does the movie version do? Reads the spell out loud. 🤦♂ Also, I get why they had an hallucination of Jadis appear before Edmund during the Dark Island, but it was all just tacky.
So I still toy around with one theory in particular which centers around the botched resurrection of Jadis. When the Hag and the Werewolf initiated the ritual they awoke Jadis’s spirit and consciousness, however when the ritual was interrupted and therefore incomplete Jadis’s spirit took advantage of the situation and with the remaining time her spirit had to linger in Narnia while still conscious she sought out a vessel to house her spirit and thereby be reborn. I believe that she may have taken possession of a naiad or some other elemental creature which in turn would make them ‘of a kind’. With the Green Lady being ‘of a kind’ with Jadis (a.k.a a witch; as a witch can never truly die as stated by the hag and werewolf) she would have access to immense magical power and innate knowledge of magic while not necessarily having knowledge or access to Jadis’s memories. Now I believe that Jadis possessing/merging with a naiad makes the most sense if only for one reason; ice is just another form of water and would play nicely to the white witch’s wheelhouse. However, water is mutable in comparison to the rigidity of ice but just as dangerous if not more so. This could allow for a few of the theories mentioned in your video to merge/collide in an interesting and plausible way.
Wow. Love it! The two thrones in Charn really seals the deal for me. When I re-read the Silver Chair I’m definitely going to look at everything she does through this lens.
My favorite is that she could be Jadis' sister. We only have Jadis' word on what happened in Charn. She thought her sister died, but even she admits her sister already knew Jadis was able to use The Deplorable Word. Since her sister was victorious over Jadis, what's to say she wasn't just as strong and capable of laying her own spells to protect herself in the event of Jadis using the magic word? I propose maybe a kind of following spell to transport herself to whatever place, life, realm, that Jadis would go to. I don't think this is what Lewis intended; I don't think he invented an answer. But of all the theories, this is the one I'd prefer filmmakers to use, if they must use one.
It blew my mind when I heard it: Jadis already being pregnant *before* Narnia...and her misery and despair blinded her to her own daughter and creating the monster the Lady would become...
I honestly don't believe Jadis is the last one of her kind. She always knew someone would eventually come from another world. The only thing in this whole story she wasn't counting on was being taken to a world without magic. That means "charnians" were very familiar with the concept of the multiverse and travel in between worlds, so I think some of them could've left the world, maybe on different ocasions, and establish settlements on diferent pools of the Woods in between World. Or maybe a group experimenting with magic accidentally got into another world and made themselves at home in the same way it happend to humans in Narnia.
@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 You can explain that one of two ways. 1) Charnians had developed a different method of traveling between worlds. The Wood between Worlds was discovered by Digory's Uncle basically messing around with things he did not understand. 2) After speaking the Deplorable Word, Jadis became cursed. She was responsible for so much death and destruction, that a realm of pure, quiet life was intolerable to her very being. She mentions the idea that powerful Wizards can peer across dimensions and send people, so it could be that other Charnians existed somewhere out there
@@DrTimes99 1. That claim has no evidence to back it. You can never state it with such assurance 2. That curse that you mentioned also doesn't have any evidence of existing. It's just that you think that a curse of that characteristics SHOULD exist after uttering that word
@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 I said it CAN (have the opportunity or possibility to) be explained, not that it IS (to have an objective existence). 1) There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Wood Between Worlds isn't the only method of travel, that being every other book in which characters travel to and from Narnia. The Telmarines stumbled into a cave with a portal to Narnia, the wardrobe, Susan's horn summoned the Pevensie's to Narnia, Aslan can bring people straight to Narnia. This is all evidence that shows travel between worlds is possible without using the WBW. Additionally, Jadis was not at all surprised that a Magician should be able to both view her from another world, and send someone to fetch her. The Magic of Charn was developed enough to be able to end all life in the universe and put oneself into a state of suspended animation indefinitely. While one cannot definitively state the Charn had at least some access to interdimensional travel, I believe it to be short-sighted to rule the idea out altogether. 2) It is shown that Great magics coming with an unforeseen cost in the same book, to the same character mind you, exist. After Jadis eats the silver apple she is granted immortality, but her complexion is altered and she is left empty and desolate inside. Truth be told, there is no evidence to suggest Carnians are negatively impacted by the WBW, only that Jadis herself is. One is hardly evidence, and even two would be circumstantial. Three examples of unrelated Charnians entering the WBW and being negatively affected is the only actual evidence that would prove that it has a negative effect on Charnians as a whole. Otherwise, your initial claim is just as speculative as mine are. Also, I'm not trying to be mean, just explaining in fuller detail, since I clearly failed to communicate this fully in my original post.
@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 Jadis is the only charnian we've met, but just because something is true about an individual, doesn't it means it's true for the entire species. Because she had magic does it means every charnian had it? Unlikely. Because she had pale skin and dark hair, does it mean every charnian looked like that? Also unlikely.
An aspect that is lost in both the first and second theory is that Jadis ate the fruit of the Tree in the Garden: "Do you know what that fruit is? I will tell you. It is the apple of youth, the apple of life. I know, for I have tasted it; and I feel already such changes in myself that I know I shall never grow old or die. Eat it, Boy, eat it; and you and I will both live forever and be king and queen of this whole world-or of your world if we decide to go back there." -The Magician's Nephew We need to remember that Lewis wrote the Narnia-books as a way of introduce young people to Christian theology. In the book of Genesis and the story of The Garden of Eden there are two trees, the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life and where therefore immortal while the Tree of Knowledge where forbidden. The parallel between the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden and the Tree in the Garden from the Magician's Nephew are very clear. And Jadis ate of that fruit and became immortal. Even though she was killed by Aslan we don't know if that was enough to bring death to someone who have eaten from the Tree of Life. It might had been temporary or it might mean her spirit lived on and therefore biding her time to be rebirthed by summoning or the precious commodity of time. If she survived in some form of another it would be by the power of the Tree in the Garden and not "the deep magic". She didn't need the deep magic or "giving her life for a traitor". The power of the Tree of Life would be enough to preserve her. Does that mean that Aslan was tricked into believing he killed her? By all probability not. Just because everyone saw him kill the witch and believed in it (Christian theology, belief is an important thing) doesn't mean that Aslan didn't know the truth. He could, and probably did, know that Jadis wasn't dead but just defeated and banished. There are no reason that he should tell anyone about this. The people of Narnia where celebrating and none of those there would have any part in defeating Jadis when she inevitably would reappear. Let them have their victory and celebrate the death of the witch. As Aslan's inspiration said it: "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34 To summaries my point. The argument for scenario 1 and 2 not being plausible are based upon things: 1. Jadiz could not be saved by the deep magic. 2. Aslan was tricked to believe that he killed the witch. As I point out above Jadis wouldn't need the deep magic (that is only "deep" since it's before the Dawn of Time). She ate from the Tree of Life and therefore already immortal. And there is no reason to assume Aslan was tricked into believing that the Witch was truly dead, she could as well just had kept that knowledge to himself as he does with so much else. Does this prove that The Lady of the Green Girdle is Jadis? No, it doesn't. But it means that the arguments in the video that it can't be Jadiz doesn't hold if one raises ones view from The Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe and takes the whole story into account.
I would agree, except on the point of us not knowing if someone who eats one of those apples can die, because if you remember from the end of the book, Digory took some of the apple back to his sick mother, and while she was healed by it, I think it's also reasonable to assume she didn't end up living forever, or it might have been mentioned.
@@Revanshard4501 True. But we need to remember that Earth is a "realm without magic". Someone recuperating from their ailment against bad odds isn't impossible but clearly within our worlds metaphysics. Someone being immortal is not. Just like Jadiz keept her strengths (such a strong person is improbable but not impossible) but couldn't work her magic the apple could keep it's healing properties but loose it's ability to give eternal youth and life. But most important is Jadiz own words to Diggory that the apple will make him immortal in the text i quoted. Sure, she could be lying. But again we have to take Lewis' allegories into account. Jadiz is clearly an allegory for the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. And the Serpent didn't snare Eve with lies, it used the truth. Not the whole truth but still not outright lies. Jadiz would do the same since it is Lewis point with the story.
@@Revanshard4501 Aslan specifically tells Digory that the apple won't make his mother live forever, but it will cure her illness. So that settles that question.
I have another theory. Did you remember, in the book 3 (Voyage of The Dawn Treader), Ramhandu once told that a Star sometimes make mistakes, and there's punishment to those who commit one? He told to Caspian and the others that Coriakin the Magician was once a Star. What if the lady in a green kirtle or the green witch was once a Star? But she was once made a terrible mistakes or began a rebellion to Aslan among the Stars so she was banished from the sky? In my opinion, a Star in Narnia was the same as an Angel in our world. They have powers, magical being, and so divine than the other living creatures. Rhamandu's Daughter was a Star before she married with Caspian. And perhaps, the reason she was killed by the green witch is that they booth was once know each other before, and the killing thing is actually an act of revenge or something. There's one story in our world about the fallen angel. I believe we are all know who that is, and remember, that fallen angel was associated with snake/serpent in many literature. And also the meaning of "Her (the white witch/Jadis) kind" perhaps wasn't actually referred to "Species" but more likely to "Same traits", which is magical being, evil, beauty, immortal, treacherous, villainous, ect. In Book 1 (The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe), it was explained that Jadis is a djinn, looks similar to human but also very different with human. Although she was comes from Adam, but she was different with humans because she was in the line (descendants) of Lilith, Adam's first wife, not Eve, the mother of all humans. Associated Jadis with the Green Witch isn't right for me, because we all know that Jadis didn't have the power to shape-shifting to a beast or monster. If she had that power, she probably will do the same as the Green Witch, intimidating her enemies with her monster appearance. Also, if Jadis was pregnant before she comes to Narnia, there must be some clues in the original canon. But i won't denied that theory, since Mr. C. S. Lewis wasn't put so much details in Jadis background stories.
I've always thought of C.S. Lewis's "stars" as being roughly similar to Tolkien's Maiar, the angelic order of beings to which Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron belong. Also, there is a union between a Maia and an Elf in the First Age: Melian and Thingol, from whom some of the most important figures in Middle-Earth's history are descended (Luthien, Earendil, Elrond, the royal line of Numenor and ultimately Aragorn.) Very similar to Caspian marrying Ramandu's daughter, if you ask me! C.S. Lewis probably took a lot of inspiration from Tolkien, or vice-versa, given they developed their cosmogonies at the same time.
Stars are sometimes green in our world, as well as red, blue, and yellow, so she might be a fallen star. Also, Ramandu’s daughter was killed by this Lady and was trying to tell her son something before she died, she could’ve been trying to warn Rilian about her. She might have even known her.
I like the theory that the Lady of the Green Kirtle was Jadis' daughter. I want to explore that idea more. In Charn, Jadis didn't have Immortality, and she had killed all of her people. If she had raised a Daughter there, there would have been nothing more than a dead world. What if she had preserved herself to wait for some outsider to awaken her not only to conquer a new world but to start her lineage with her daughter in a world she could conquer (assuming she wouldn't live forever). The Silver Apple was just a lucky discovery, and may have provided such Immortality to Jadis' child (as nutrients often are passed down). Next, I could only assume Jadis taught her daughter magic after she discovered Narnia's Dark Magic, because Charn magic had no effect in Narnia. And maybe Jadis' daughter hated Narnia because her mother was killed there, and because Jadis taught her to.
My theory is that the Green Witch is not Jadis's daughter, but an enigma from outside the world of Narnia who somehow managed to find her way inside Narnia after the Tree of Protection died and Jadis was able to conquer Narnia (probably sometime after Jadis died and during the reign of Caspian after VDT, when there was no threat to Narnia). She is spiritually of the same type as Jadis (witch), but is not from the same world as Jadis and is probably an evil witch from another world in one of the pools in the Wood between the Worlds. It's like when the Huns devastated ancient Western Rome, leaving room for even more barbarians like the Vandals etc to move in. Once an evil witch has entered Naria in the case of Jadis, the way is paved for more to come in and wreak havoc.
It could be that Kirtle is the daughter of Jadis and a human from the line of Frank. Jadis always knew that the Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve were destined for the Throne of Narnia, so she could have attempted to have her own child with a human, in order to "meet the requirement". However, Kirtle would have been a Daughter of Adam and not suitable. This ultimately explains Kirtle's drive to become Queen of Narnia with Rilian by her side. Their child would be the legitimate Ruler of Narnia and heir of Jadis by blood.
Interesting idea. The only problem is Jadis wouldn't have been able to enter Narnia during Frank's lifetime. I suppose he could have left the boundaries of the tree of protection but after witnessing Narnia's creation and the horrors of the witch firsthand, I'd think he would stay within the safe boundaries of Narnia. But maybe another human father such as a Calormene?
Personally, I never thought the Lady was Jadis or another blood relative of hers. I was a bit inspired by the Naiad theory though. Perhaps she was sort of a Narnian version of the Siren from Greek mythology. I know it’s not a one for one comparison, but I do think one of her defining characteristics is using her beauty to seduce men for nefarious purposes.
I feel a little late to this video lol but anyhow: I'm more attracted to the 3rd theory you presented here. It actually has explanatory scope for something I've wondered about in the back of my mind. In the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Jadis is referred to as "The queen of Narnia and empress of the Lone Islands". However, before Jadis' conquest of Narnia, she had taken control of the Northern lands, slowly gathered forces there, etc. So technically the Northern Lands were also her domain. But why is she not referred in her titles as "Queen/Empress of the Northern Lands"? Two possibilities are on the table: 1). She totally abandoned her control over that region. But why? There were still inhabitants up there to rule over as subjects. So I don't think this option makes sense. OR, 2). She left the control of the region to someone else while she herself ruled in Narnia. But who? Considering how selfish Jadis was, who could she possibly consider as worthy enough to rule the North in her absence? Well...what about someone who's from the same flesh and blood as her? Between the two options, I think this latter one makes more sense! :)
3.) The North was such a miserable, cold, depressing wasteland that she wanted to sort of forget it existed. Much like our British government, only less evil.
Thanks for such a fun channel., I just LOVE analyzing Lewis' work! What a gift he had for character development and connections with familiar yet otherworldly culture! If you haven't read his space Trilogy, you're missing out on more fun topics to ponder.
I agree that the green witch isn’t Jadis. She is too subtle, too patient. Jadis herself is a straightforward, impatient person. She sees what she wants and she takes it, preferring brute force and immediate results over a slow takeover like the green witch did. Case in point her attempts to “conquer” London. She also would not accept ruling in someone else’s name. So the idea of her keeping Rillian alive for the purpose of legitimizing her rule would be laughable. Jadis is a conqueror, she is not someone who would tolerate being in the shadows like the green witch seems to prefer nor would she be content being sidelined in her own plot. So the green witch is definitely not her. The idea of her being Jadis’s own child is much more believable. It is easy to see a story where Jadis grows resentful of her offspring, who is weak in terms of magical strength (not fitting the ideas Jadis had for her own heir) but is able to use the subtler spells to charm people into liking her or with sweet words and guile. (She gets so good it becomes her specialty) Eventually she attempts to kill said offspring, not realizing the green witch while still weaker had grown in power and influence. The green witch manages to eventually escape and plans her revenge. Unfortunately, Jadis is killed before she can get strong enough to do it herself. The green witch eventually decides to conquer Narnia as a final insult to Jadis as being Rillian’s bride would legitimize her and force the Narnians to properly acknowledge her as queen, succeeding where her mother failed. Rillian is Caspian’s heir and only son after all.
I always assumed the Green Witch was Jadis but after hearing the theory that the Green Witch was the daughter of Jadis, to me, just made a whole lot since. It explains the similarities between Jadis and the Green Witch but it doesn't create a plothole of how Jadis died and somehow came back to life.
Honestly, it has always been obvious to me that the Lady of the Green Kirtle is Morgan le Fay. Virtually every feature of the Lady of the Green Kirtle finds a parallel in one of Morgan's versions. She even tends to be depicted in paintings as a witch dressed in green. Also, his plan to take down Caspian by using his son and killing his wife, in order to take Narnia, recalls Morgan trying to harm Arthur by attacking Guinevere and using Mordred, son of Arthur, to one day reclaim Camelot...That she can transform into a snake, that she is immortal... The parallels are there, without missing one. It is even more clear if, in addition to that, we remember that: a) CS Lewis loved the Arthurian legends. b) Lewis had no problem introducing legendary characters from our world into the world of Narnia (Father Christmas). c) That in The Magician's Nephew reference is made to Morgan, when they tell us about Uncle Andrew's godmother, Mrs. Lefay, who somehow had a box with the necessary instruments to create the rings that allowed travel between worlds. Probably, that lady was a descendant of Morgan, who at some point figured out how to travel between worlds and managed to get to Narnia (after Jadis, surely). The point is that it seems obvious to me that the Lady of the Green Kirtle identity is Morgan le Fay.
what about Jadis's Sister in the Magicians Nephew she speaks about defeating her sister and destroying her kingdom if I recall rightly but its been a long time since i read the books
The baby would absolutely not have been protected. Because it had a little soul, unlike the microbiota in Jadis' body, it would have been vulnerable to and targeted by the Deplorable Word, which would have aborted it. Lewis would have held to the idea that life begins at conception, not birth, so he would agree with me, and debunk this one. Ultimately, it's an intriguing theory that doesn't quite hold water. There's a way around this, though, and I'm happy to help. If Jadis had had sex with someone during the battle-approaching death can cause someone to engage in life-affirming acts like the sexual one-spoken the Deplorable Word and only conceived after the Word had been spoken, the baby girl would have dodged the devastating effect, and could have kindled within her. So, indeed, she could have been pregnant in Charn ... and Jadis is actually devious enough to have planned just that. I'm enjoying your work. Well done.
Weird enough, I kinda feel Jadis would've been so disgusting and deplorable enough(seeing as how she uttered the Deplorable word) that she would be someone to do what you described
Personally, I theorise that she might be a child of Jadis. We know that Jadis spent 900 years hiding out in the north, so she would certainly have had time to have a child, and it is notable that the north is where the giants life, Jadis is said to descend from giants, meaning she would have been able to find a genetically compatible husband to father her child. This would explain why the Green Witch is so similar to the White Witch, they are mother and daughter, without contradicting the fact that Jadis is dead. It would also explain her motive; as the child of the former queen, and a descendant of the royal line of Charn, she might see herself as having a right to rule over Narnia. Of course there are some holes here, for one thing we know that Jadis got her eternal youth from the Silver Apple in Aslan's Garden, so it is unlikely to be inherited by her child. However, we don't fully know how Narnian magic works, so it could be inherited, or it is possible that Jadis told her daughter where the garden was, if eternal youth is not inheritable it is safe to assume that the repulsion factor wouldn't be either, and she did as her mother once did. Also a consort is never mentioned, but as we have a 900 year window there is more than enough time for the Green Witch's father to have died, and it is worth noting that Jadis is evil, she may have killed her consort. Another possibility is that the Green witch, while not Jadis' direct child, is a descendant of her, born of generations living in the north. EDIT: Just got to the bit in the video where this theory is outlined, I guess I jumped the gun a bit. Will leave this here though
I also found an explanation for green lady's long life, which none of the beings on the land have, other than jadis and aslan. Jadis became immortal after consuming the immortal fruit, which really isn't that easy to obtain, especially for those dwelling in the north. But if she was carrying a child at that time, the child too would consume the fruit. That is the secret to her long life. Also, being pregnant might be the reason she tried to preserve herself in Charn. If all her people were dead, then why would she want to keep living all alone? She didn't have any idea of the multiverse. Yet she relied on a seemingly impossible hope for such a practical person. Unless she felt the need to preserve her child and give it a good future.
@@IntotheWardrobe just stumbled onto your channel today and loved the in-depth scrutiny of each theories. Keep up the good work and see if you find something about the emperor beyond the sea! It always intrigued me.
"She didn't have any idea of the multiverse." She clearly did, because she didn't seem very surprised to find herself awakened by two children from another world, and immediately ordered them to take her to their world. One suspects she "preserved" herself for that very reason, so that someone would one day find her, no matter how long it might take.
@@IntotheWardrobe I always thought the Emperor beyond the sea, seeing as Aslan always referred to him as father, I thought the emperor was supposed to be God, seeing as Aslan is Jesus
This was so awesome..!! I would have never even thought about that last theory. I think it definitely makes the most sense. Also ties in as to why she would want to take over Narnia. For power but also revenge 😊😊
It could be that you Lady of the Green Kirtle is the White Witch's daughter and like you said brought over the barrier of Worlds. Since she is said to be very old too.
I always assumed the Green Lady was Jadis. These theories are great, now I'm thinking- yes, the deep magic doesn't apply to her BUT she ate from the Tree of Everlasting Life (or what it was called?) in the Magician's Nephew, so maybe that gave her old magic powers. Perhaps she's a bit like Voldemort- seemingly dies but her spirit can inhabit another or she can be eventually resurrected? hmm...
Whoever she was, with Walden Media's habit of shoehorning Tilda Swinton's cameos (I'm not complaining, she's awesome) the Green Lady surely would have been played by her had they made a Silver Chair movie, just as it happened in the BBC adaptation. Maybe even leaving her true identity ambiguous.
Great video, I think the last theory for the lady of the green kirtle's origin makes the most sense and seems absolutely plausible, considering how alike she and the witch are, and since C. S. Lewis didn't reveal her origin , I can't help but wonder if that could have been what he would have had in mind as the lady of the green kirtle's origin.
Great theory! I think one other possibility is that the Green Witch was the offspring of a giant and jin in Narnia. You said that Jadis and the green witch are of the same kind which I interpret to be species. If the Green Witch is a combination of giant and jin like Jadis then she would be of the same kind.
Definitely possible! I had always assumed there weren't Djinn in Narnia, but they were obviously known by the Narnian creatures. You could be on to something there! Djinn might also explain the existence of other dark creatures like Werewolves, Hag, Boggles, etc.
Yes, during the time Jadis was in North she could have bred a new generation of witches like her by mixing jinn and giants. I like that theory, very Tolkien like and probably closest to what Lewis had in mind. Jadis' daughter is also very interesting idea.
Personally I think there's just too many parallels between her and Jadis. When you couple this with the inclusion of groups attempting to resurrect her in a previous book, the theory that she is a resurrected form of Jadis becomes the most supported within the actual text.
I read the first 30 pages of the first Narina books when I was like 16 and I never really had a desire to finish it. But I've seen a lot of Narina content lately, and it kinda makes me think about picking up the books. I might grab a copy of the first book
Would love to hear your experience! My advice--read the original published order, not the new one. Start with The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, and save the backstory in Magician's Nephew for later--there will be surprises and reveals which will have much more meaning to you at that point. Cheers!
1:34 I always thought that as a child, to be honest. There's even a line in the *Prince Caspian* referring to Jadis, "Whoever heard of a witch who really died?" I always was for Theory #2 but not anymore.
Same. I never saw the old movies that used the same actor for Jadis and the Lady. But I just checked the books I grew up reading and it does say that Jadis appears in The Silver Chair. But yes, does make much more sense that it's not her! Thinking about it, I like that better.
Would love a video on how far the Dawn treader actually sailed. Yes I know It would only be a guesstimate based off of the speed of a sailing ship but I would still like a very rough estimate for at least the distance from Narnia to the edge of the world. I tried figuring out myself but the math quickly became overwhelming but if we were to assume that Narnia is the exact center of the flat world then if we knew one distance to its edge we could figure out how big the world of Narnia actually is.
Thank you for the two videos. I wholeheartedly enjoyed both of them. For a long time I’ve wondered about the origins of the lady of the green kirtle. I always thought that Jadis and the lady were one and the same. That Jadis had somehow survived or was brought back to life in another form. I like the theory that the lady is the daughter of Jadis and I agree with the theory of her origin presented in this video. I found these videos almost right after finishing watching the two videos of Jadis origins. Thank you!
I always assumed that she was a new aspect of Jadis or someone being possessed by Jadis. If Jadis is the Satan figure, then maybe she endured in some form or another
My thoughts, too. Evil never dies, it always comes back in some way. Also, snakes shed their skin and look new and different. They represent immortality in some cultures and evil in others.
"If Jadis is the Satan figure, then maybe she endured in some form or another" Perhaps she found a way to "cheat death" and remain an active force in the world, much like what Sauron did with the One Ring, and Voldemort with his Horcruxes. Both villains use dark magic to possess other beings (the Nazgul are humans whose wills have been enslaved by their rings), and I wouldn't put it past Jadis to do something similar.
Everyone I think understands it to be Jadis or a reincarnation of her just because the first ever uk tv adaptation where they had the same actress play the White Witch, and then play the green lady. For me I think she was left anonymous so the reader can make their own decision of who she is.. and look even today we are all still guessing.. for me I think like the whole narnia franchise she is not new, and she is not just made up. The green lady is based of someone esp in the Christianity lore..Lewis is consistent but I'm not an expert.
Great channel! You could talk about the erased words in Harfang next. Who was present when they were written. Who might be buried there (maybe "Father Time"?). I'm from Brazil by the way, so I don't know the translated names... Another topic is the "bottom of the world" Looking forward for the next video!
Father Time is buried much deeper underground. The children see him when they are down in the Green Witch's world. "They say he will wake at the end of the world." I think it was some Giant king or emperor.
In the end, I feel like The Lady is entirely separate from Jadis. Throughout the series, the characters talk about "witches" and what they do and how they behave. "Witches" plural. There's no reason to believe Jadis was the only one. Or that other people from Archenland, giant country, or Calormene couldn't become witches. When it says "cut of the same cloth" that could be in reference to the fact that they're witches or even of the same temperament. I know it's not as fun as imagining Jadis' family tree, but it feels the most likely scenario Lewis intended. We have to remember that Lewis wrote The Silver Chair before he wrote The Magicians Nephew, and probably didn't plan for the story of Charn yet. Personally, I like the Lilith comparison at least from a literary angle.
Been looking forward to this video for a long time. I grew up with one of the editions with the editing mistake in the character bios, and have been a fan of the Green Witch is Jadis theory since then. Definitely held up the dark ritual in Prince Caspian and the "have you ever heard of a witch who actually died" line as evidence. I think Jadis still being around makes perfect sense from a Christian allegory perspective. She's basically Satan in the same way Aslan is Jesus. Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe is an allegory for Jesus' death and resurrection, while Magician's Nephew is about original sin and introducing evil into the world. From Lewis' theological perspective, it would be wrong to say that Jesus destroyed Satan, only that Jesus defeated Satan and took away his power. Human evil is more than capable of restoring a sliver of that power and Satan is still very much a threat. From that perspective, I think it makes MORE sense if Jadis coming back was a possibility that Narnians had to watch out for, and SIlver Chair is a story about what happens when that occurs. Anyway, as a fan of this theory, I was really sad that the 2005 film series ended right before Silver Chair, since they ALMOST CERTAINLY would have made the Green Witch Jadis given how they were trying to set Jadis up as a series-spanning big-bad. This would have codified this theory in a lot more people's minds and made my childhood self very happy. *Sigh* If only those films had been better!
I speculate either she is one of the descendants of the plane or world traveling faer folk or the fairies that mastered the way to travel to more vulnerable and easy to conquer young worlds or she is an actual offspring of the Jadis hence she is a half giant she might actually contributed to uplifting the giants towards an actual empire in her exile
What if she's Jadis' sister? What if the deplorable word Jadis spoke didn't kill everyone else on her world but rather scattered them across all of the different worlds
I kind of like that theory. But perhaps they are the last two, unless some of their people found their way to the Wood Between Worlds before the war started. I see it as possible that they might not have been just sisters, but twins; would the magic of the Deplorable Word have been able to tell them apart ?
I think that the last is certainly the most likely. Either that or the Green Witch was a daughter of Lilith. Also, the illustration shows two empty thrones, yes, but is it just my imagination, or is Jadis' belly bulging just a wee bit? Perhaps the fashion of dress for the great ladies of Charn, but perhaps not? I pity the poor old boy who fathered Jadis' child if she indeed had one.
Counterpoint: In Prince Caspian Nikabrik says you cannot truly kill witches, that is to say, they can always be brought back. They were, in fact, prepared to resurrect her. So it's still possible that the Emerald Witch and White witch were, at least spirit-wise, the same person. Oh wait, your covering that, give me a second. Counterpoint 2: Here's a theory, what if, because Narnia was not her world, and because she could not continue to Aslan's Kingdom her spirit was eternally trapped in Narnia. She could have been brought back through possession or any of many other black magics like they seem to have in Narnia. I do like that last one, it's got me more convinced than the others, but I think the Giant for a father thing was more likely she "had giant's blood in her" after all. The Magician's Nephew also clearly states that the chair went on for quite a long while behind Jadis, like there was meant to be more.
If the Lady is Jadis’ daughter she probably would have been conceived in Narnia because she’s also immortal. That immortality may have been genetic. I also think that’s one of the most compelling piece of evidence that she is Jadis’ daughter. They are “of the same kind” while also being immortal.
I love that intro! "A world more real than our own." I don't know much about Narnian lore but Lilith sounds like a good shout. I was also thinking of the sister or another from her world too. IF "witches don't die?" Perhaps that could mean, they are able to keep their essence or ego identity, even after the loss of physical form? And then be kind of reborn from the Earth. The "mother" creation energy of all life. That's what happen's to "green" mother energy when it becomes unbalanced too. It turns into greed, ego and is selfish. So is bitter + jealous of real compassion/love, such as the bond between a mother/daughter! It's a very tricky energy. Water is also the element most associated with deep, "feminine" emotion, it's *surface* beauty is a good mirror + can reflect what people wish to see. So it can be irresistible. It also wants to consume everything, rather than to give or nurture. So can suck in or put a spell on even the righteous too. And they are in the Underland realm, like a Greek underworld myth, trying to break on up after all. Either one, Lilith or a relation of the white witch is more than plausible?
i don't know if it's been said but to go along with Jadis being pregnant on Charn, she got to the point of those words being spoken and if she knew she was gonna die while bearing a child, moms will do incredible things to protect their kids. i believe we have the answer in this theory, i'm bingeing the hell out of this channel right now
The last theory that Jadis might be the mother of green witch and was pregnant with her all the way from charn does remind me of something. In the magician’s nephew, jadis mentions that she had to go to a secret place and pay a “terrible price” to learn the deplorable word, and that has always given me the impression that she had to make a very twisted and sinister bargain… perhaps she was compelled to engage in some demonic rituals that involved deviant and sexual stuff which led her to finally learn the word and even become pregnant.. which, in my opinion, might be the reason why she was so cruel and had no compassion towards anybody.. the ritual possibly shattered her soul and the fact that she also came from a tyrannical family didn’t help either.
I really love that last theory. It would aid in explanation why Jadis chose to freeze herself in time, rather than just fade away and die: simply put, she did it for a chance for not only herself, but her unborn child. Fascinating thought!
Here's an idea that occurs to me after watching.. what if the Green Witch was the daughter of Jadis, but her father was a river god? That basically combine all of the last three theories, which seems pretty cool to me. And it wouldn't mean Jadis couldn't have been pregnant on Charn, nor have conceived children with giants, because it's implied there were, at least at one time, multiple witches in the north. Perhaps the Emerald Witch was the strongest, who killed all her sisters, or perhaps there even were other witches who attempted to conquer Narnia during ages we know nothing about
I love how we all pretending that the third movie did not exist ... They had some weird green fog I think in reference to the green witch , so lame ... Great content bwt
In the 'Voyage of the Dawn Treader' when Caspian and the crew are sailing east and come to Ramandu's Island, they encounter basically two "stars" including Ramandu who have taken the form of humans. Naiads and Dryads are also there and shown as taking humanoid forms. We also don't know for certain if Jadis was the only one from her world to escape its destruction after Digory & Polly broke the spell. I propose two alternative theories that aren't discussed here then: the Green Lady is either some sort of "nature-spirit" like a fallen star or some other type of powerful being that went rogue and could shapeshift, or is perhaps another refugee from Jadis' homeworld of Charn who somehow escaped its destruction at some point. Her being the offspring of Jadis is also a potentially likely theory though given the fact that although she's not human, neither was Caspian's wife/Rillian's mother who was basically a star. It's never ruled out that Jadis or her "species" was incompatible with humans so the possibility is definitely there
Well one theory neglected was the possibility that Jadis was reincarnated into the Green Lady. And also the last theory with the two thrones, keep in mind there were two current heirs before Jadis used the Deplorable Word. So it would be sensible to say that those two thrones were left to be filled by images of Jadis and her sister.
Here's another point that makes that last theory plausible. The Emerald Witch was young and beautiful, but had lived for millennia. What was one of the first things Jadis did when she arrived? Ate the fruit of eternal youth. What happens to some of the food consumed by a pregnant woman? I can't see any other explanation for it, other than Lewis just going "Oh this other evil witch was here the whole time." Cause... he did do that sometimes. Tolkien would give him shit for it in their letters to each other when they were critiquing each other's works.
I would say that the second theory is still possible, because all it would take is a witch capable of finishing what the hag started in 'Prince Caspian'. Arguably, I would say that the extra chair shows that they expected her line to continue. That doesn't mean she was pregnant, maybe her sister was instead. My point being that the last empty chair was a sign that the line was expected to continue and not necessarily before there was any proof of it. It's really hard to say for certain anymore at this point. They could be hinting that Jadis and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were similar in personality, they could mean they were of the same line, or they could just be saying that though not related, they were cut from the same cloth so to speak. The only one able to answer such a thing is no longer with us, and it's very possible that Lewis wanted it to remain a mystery.
This is just a theory that I thought of and I could be completely wrong but here we go. It's kind of like theory that the green witch is the daughter of Jadis but this is a slightly different version. In the magician's nephew, Jadis states that she used the deplorable word on her home world and that when she did, she made herself the last of her kind. But what if she wasn't? What if her sister had a child? And in the wood between the worlds, we see that there are multiple different entrances to many different worlds. So, what if Jadis's sister had a daughter and the child was sent to one of these different worlds for her safety and that she would be sent for when the war was over and that it was safe for her to return. So when Jadis kills the rest of their kind, Jadis naturally assumes that everyone bar herself is dead probably not knowing that her niece is also alive. So after Jadis leaves, what if her niece returns a few years later maybe after to see if the war is still going on only to find everyone dead? And what if there was something that lead to the niece finding out that it was Jadis who killed the rest of her kind so, led by anger and betrayal, tries to hunt down her aunt to exact her revenge for her actions? But, not knowing where she could be, looks around Charn and then around the other worlds to try to find her before eventually arriving at Narnia? But by the time she arrived at Narnia, Jadis was already dead meaning that she could not exact her revenge? And, consumed by the grief, anger and betrayal that had driven her for so many years, she eventually became mad and became the green witch that we see later on in the history of Narnia? I know that it isn't the best theory that describes the green witch but it is just a theory. So, it would be kinda cool to see what everyone else thinks about this theory.
I’d argue that just because the werewolf and hag failed to bring Jadis back, doesn’t mean someone somewhere else couldn’t. Perhaps the hag and werewolf fail because she had already been called back and was taking control of the underworld. The possibility is there. I do like the idea of Green Kirtle being the daughter, as it is most logical. Perhaps she even had her own kingdom with the giants before they were overthrown and her Silver Chair plot is a patient and well-timed plan. Lots of choice there too. She is a more fascinating character than most in the Narnia series.
When my sibiling's, and I, were first introduced, to The Silver Chair, we always'd argued, that the witch was, either jadis, resurrected or her, daughter.
' And the lesson of it all is, your Highness [ Rilian ], ' said the oldest Dwarf , ' that those Northern Witches always mean the same thing, , but in every age they have a different plan for getting it '. ( SC ) Adds a little light.
Did i see a Frank Peretti book on the shelf next to the Narnia books? You my friend just went up so many points in my book. I would say the issue of Jadis being dead could be argued differently. It could be that what Aslan destroyed was Jadis's body, not her completely. What Aslan was doing was destroying the vessel in which Jadis resided, which would in turn destroy her influence and remoce her from the world. But only physically. In other words, her spirit was detached from her body. Her spirit was let loose, wandering the world. So when the hag speaks of brining her back, this is what she was referring to - summoning her disembodied spirit and finding or creating a new host for it. That way, she can be dead but come back. And it would mean Aslan didn't make a mistake. He did kill her. He destroyed her body which removed her influence over the age. Even if her spirit did survive, it's helpless to do anything unless someone intervenes. That in itself is also very tricky.
@@IntotheWardrobe Yes. And can I mention. Peretti. That guy's books are just top notch. He wanted to write another Darkness book about 15 years ago. I don't guess he ever did, but in that time he wrote both Monster and House (with Ted Dekker) and a couple more. Still some solid stuff.
So as it turns out this is basically the perfect time for Narnia to be adapted again, specifically the Silver Chair since 'WandaVision' is still fresh in everyone's minds, and then with the Lady of the Green Kirtle SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN 'WANDAVISION' we'll meet another witch who uses her magic to if not warp actual reality then at least to control peoples minds and behaviours. Except of course that in WandaVision she did so as a result of a mental breakdown out of a whole lifetime of grief and loss while the Lady's doing so is calmly planned and deliberately enacted with a specific goal for power rather than a desire for personal peace, love and happiness.
Intresting theorys. I always wondered whats connection if any Jadis and the green lady share with Tash and the Calormen gods from the South. They facinate me because we know from the last battle that at least Tash is real, in the series. He doesn't seem openly aggressive against Narnia per se more a hatred of it, but Aslan defines him as his opposite. If he is against narnia what has is he doing. Is he the source of the dark magic that Jadis calls upon or a symptom of it. In the magicians nephew Jadis lost most of her powers moving outside of the world of charn. Yet by the lion the witch and the wardrobe she has not only herpowers back but knowledge of the deep magic.
i think the 1st theory is posible because in the 2nd book,jadis says to aslan 'remember the deep magic'.jadis could also be refering to her not dying and we also know that the deep magic is by FARR much more powerfull than aslan
Ever since I first learned about the religious implications of a lot of the series, I immediately thought of The Green Lady as a representation of Lilith, sin incarnate, temptation, wrath, control over some creatures. It all fits and I'm sure Lewis had Lilith in mind
During the entire video I'm waiting to see if it brought up the daughter aspect but the pregnancy aspect is something I had not considered. That is a very plausible theory. Now here's another thing, did the silver apple affect the fetus? Would that explain why her daughter was like the way she was or could that just be a product of upbringing?
The Lilith theory is the best. However, it is mentioned on the "Silver Chair" that she is from an ancient and divine race and she is also the last of her kind.
ello, in the silver chair novel, the green witch has a horse called snowflake, so she is probably closely related to jadis, that apparently winter was her favorite season or her most practiced magic. Maybe she's a reincarnation/rebirth of Jadis using another of the powers mentioned in Charm, or she uses other magic items, instead of the ice wand, she wears the dress that turns her into a snake (it doesn't come off when transforming), the instrument musical and powder for mind control. It could also be his daughter who conceived in Charm who could be regent of the northlands and who during all this time was the one who sent the giants to attack Narnia while the Pevensi brothers were in Narnia. It could be a lamia or a corrupted nayade created by Jadis, or in reality it was always a lamia who, by biting Liliandi, stole her appearance, transforming into a younger version of her and was never a humanoid being. Good videos.
The silver chair would be such a dark movie if it was done properly . The green lady is the darkest force to have hit Narnia.. I think it would be epic to see a movie made now and then work on the other movies.. I do really like the original movies. I think the dawn treader didnt really stand to the first 2 and I think this is down to having no definite source of evil... they did great having jadis suggested... and having a cameo.
@@IntotheWardrobe your one of the best authors to have covered this... I follow Narnia alot.. you do this best.. please keep it going... I was so happy you hinted my idea of the green lady thank you.
I agree largely with the last theory in this video. It would seem the most likely. I do have my own theory I would like to add: the Lady of the Green Kirtle (LGK) is one of Jadis’s kin: you see obviously both are witches both are friendly with the Giants in Northern Narnia, and while we don’t know where LGK came from I do think that it’s possible that LGK just like Jadis is in fact from Charn. This is pure speculation, I could very well be wrong but it’s possible. I do think the last theory in this video is the most likely. I definitely agree that it’s not Jadis returned from the dead because Aslan made quite certain she was in fact dead at the First Battle Of Beruna, besides the only way she would’ve been brought back is if a ritual with a son of Adam spilling a drop of blood was involved but that thankfully never took place before it could start.Anyways that’s my take.
Here is a twist on your theory that she's Jadis' daughter: What if during the age where Jadis was kept out of Narnia by the tree of protection she seduced and ensnared a prince of Narnia, just as we know The Green Lady tried to do with Rillian, and it was from their union The Green Lady was born? And what if it was through this fallen prince's aid that Narnia was conquered by Jadis once the tree fell? I've always envisioned that Narnia didn't just fall to Jadis through a straight up invasion but because the Narnians had become complacent and corrupted after centuries of peace, similar to the fall of Numenor in Tolkien's works. And of course once victory had been achieved Jadis murdered the traitor prince to ensure the prophecy never came to pass?
It's just incredible how many intriguing possibilities exist in this rich and mysterious character. There are SO MANY more theories to explore in the world of Narnia--If you'd like to support the work of this channel today and get exclusive access to pre-releases, research notes, and some swag, you can visit www.patreon.com/IntoTheWardrobe
5:08 I'd keep this theory of the White Witch resurrected as still plausible. Aslan was resurrected through the Laws of Deep Magic as he sacrificed himself instead of a traitor. But who's to say she couldn't have been resurrected by some other obscure Law of Deep Magic? I can't remember how in the book but the movie they just needed Caspian's blood, so blood magic could be ancient and mysterious.
That said, I'm leaning most toward the theory with the giants.
I just noticed a mistake from you. Aslan is not all knowing. That power belongs to the Deep Magic which controls Aslan's destiny. For Narnia, God is the equivalent to the Deep magic while Jesus is the equivalent to Aslan. The deep magic and Aslan are one of the same but 2 of one.
@@zombwars7749 Very interesting 🤔 👌
@@milliesecond102 sure is. In understanding the trinity it's definitely something C.S. Lewis knew well. The best example I know is dihydrogen monoxide also know as water and H2O. It exists in three phases yet is still one molecule.
In at least two of the novels, Aslan refers to his father as The Emperor Beyond the Sea. Very little is known about him but it seems implied that he is the 'capital G' God who IS...no beginning or end. I grew up in very legalistic churches. I believe that reading Lewis was one of the only things that kept me from throwing out everything about Christianity and more importantly, from losing my faith altogether. I still reread these books, but more as good stories and less for theology. For theological reading endeavors I go to his nonfiction books, like Mere Christianity. I guess what I'm getting at is that these books and the Space Trilogy are wonderful literary gifts for those disillusioned by the choices we have today: heavy handed religion in 'christian' fiction or amoral, atheistic dogmas and, well, trash in secular fiction. Lewis had that gift for writing...he was first and foremost a writer. He loved it and wrote in such a way that his fictional works appeal to nearly everyone, faith or no faith.
Man, I feel like a Charn prequel would be extremely intriguing.
Yes! I'd love to see this in the Netflix Narnia series!
@@IntotheWardrobe I hope Netflix doesn’t butcher it with propaganda
@@IntotheWardrobe yeah... Not sure that's a good idea.Netflix tends to ruin everything
What? The whole history of Charn? That would be facinating! If it was done correctly. But this would have to be fan fiction, and someone really creative at that! Someone really imaginative. The long, sad history of Charn, from its first fall into evil, through long lines of kings, progressively getting worse and worse, while the city of Charn is growing. And at the very last, the great battle, the last battle of Charn, just before Jadis spoke the deplorable word. This is a world with no higher good and good is left to man. This is what happens when man reigns supreme, and evil comes of it. The finding of magic, or maybe magic always was part of that world, and the discovery of the Deplorable Word...
Interesting. I had never even known that there were various theories about the Green Witch. To me, I just always wondered who she was and where she came from, and just left it at that. (Although I must admit, when the BBC film came out back in the 80s, I wondered then if she was somehow connected to Jadis, since they were both played by Barbara Kellerman.)
But while I was watching your video, and hearing the various theories, I kind of came up with my own theory:
We know that that it would be Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve that would fulfill the prophecy that would destroy the reign of Jadis. We also know that Jadis was part Jinn. We learn this from Mrs Beaver when she says "But she's no Daughter of Eve. She comes of your father Adam's ... first wife, her they called Lilith. And she was one of the Jinn."
So, although I don't specifically accept your theory about the Green Witch being the daughter of Jadis, I'm thinking that she is somehow ANOTHER "Daughter of Lilith"! Specifically because the entire "Lilith Lore" is about how she swore vengeance on the children of Eve, since Lilith was supposedly Adam's First wife, but after God punished and exiled her, He then gave Adam his Second wife, who was Eve. It would make sense then that Lilith's line would still be out to destroy Eve's. If this is true, the Green Witch certainly has the same power and characteristics to do so, and would seem to fit the bill.
Poison: is green.
C.S. Lewis: "and I took that personally."
I love that there is still a community of Narnia fans. I grew up on these books, with only my family to share my obsession with.
@@sarahluchies1076 Three years later, but welcome to the party.
Love these theories! The last one is very intriguing! About half way through I was like, "What if Jadis was PREGNANT?!" haha. So glad you covered it! Well done, my friend.
No surprise you were way ahead of me after all the videos you've made--your mind is a well-oiled theory-making machine!
Agreed!
She would have done it with a hapless giant? Pity the poor giant. If with a man, then pity the poor man even more.
The illustrations in Magician's Nephew are really, really good, however, the text does say that there were a great many more empty seats beyond Jadis, not just the one. We can only see one because of the small size of the picture. The hall had been intended for a much larger collection, but Jadis cut it short prematurely.
It makes sense. She was very powerful; while in Charn she could have had any man she wanted. Also, the moment she arrives in Narnia, she has a vendetta with Aslan. She hates him, but fears him because he is more powerful than she. Her main goal, then, is to defeat him somehow. Thus, she stays in the north and grows in power and gathers an army, and during that time has a daughter who is also immortal. Leaving her daughter with a giantess nanny at Harfang is plausible: she is busy preparing to return south to defeat Narnia and become queen. She wouldn't care if her daughter established a kingdom up north once she has her own in Narnia with high hopes of taking Aslan down. Remember witches are "very practical people," according to Lewis. Then, once Jadis is dead, it would make sense that her daughter would try to retake the country that once was ruled by her mother.
I’m surprise that you left out the magician was banish with white witch in the beginning
I always assumed that while Jadis was in the north, she used her dark magic to bring creaters into the world that were not present when Aslan created Narnia. I.e. Hags, werewolfs, ogres, minotaurs ect. Possibly she brought other witches from other worlds into Narnia. The Lady of the Green Kirtle possibly could have been one of these witches.
That's a great theory
Possibly, but I doubt it. Another witch, unlike the others, might have been seen as a challenge to her power and position. See Jadis' backstory and that battle of hers, where she had to fight with her family, others capable of wielding magic to the point of desperate tactics. See Aslan, who she bitterly, desperately feared. The only way Jadis could come close to ending him was to force an exchange. This is also why I doubt the "daughter hypothesis." Another witch, especially a related witch, would just be another threat to her.
Never underestimate the power of maternal instinct. :-)
@@IntotheWardrobe Never assume that all who can bear children have maternal instincts.
@@JohnZ117 Yeah I'm with you on that. Anyone willing to kill their own sister wouldn't so much as shrug to kill their daughter. Especially if they were paranoid and saw them as a potential threat to their power.
I think your last theory makes sense. Also, in the Magician's Nephew it is mentioned that there were other thrones past Jadis'. So it was clearly hinted that Jadis was never intended to be the last monarch.
But when were the thrones built and set into place? Only when a ruler died? Or were they built several at a time, or even a whole row at a time? Had Jadis not been the last of her kind, Polly and Diggory might have seen not only her (probably truly dead) but her successor in that last throne, and more thrones would have been added in the meanwhile.
@@JJMarkin it's not explained. The most baffling thing for me is that Jadis uses her magic to wipe out every living thing under the sun. Why did she expect someone to come along and awaken her from her spell? She wasn't even aware if there was magic to travel between worlds. That always was a head scratcher
@@issakelly8071 Jadis is spiteful she can't have it she doesn't want others to have what she can't have so she said the word
@@Introvertsan I wasn't talking about why she spoke the word. I was wondering who Jadis thought would wake her from her self-imposed enchanted sleep if there was no one in the world alive still. She couldn't have pinned all her hope on the slim chance that someone from another world would ring the bell and wake her up.
@@issakelly8071 honestly would you really care how long you were under a curse if someone eventually did come and wake you up? Sure, Jadis wouldn't have know whether or not someone would come and wake her up but it's not like she was aware of time passing or what was happening while she was waiting. All that matters is that someone eventually did come and wake her up. (Regardless as to who and how)
I really like the last theory. This would open so many possibilities for new stories and news perspectives for existing ones!
In Greek/Roman mythology the father has found the son a threat and tried to get rid of him. I can imagine Jadis considering her daughter a threat and trying to get rid of her. She could have been rescued and raised without Jadis having knowlege of her existence.
The story that really intrigues me is how the line of Adam was lost following the first King and Queen. My idea is there was a family conflict such as Cain & Able or Isaac & Ishmael, or Jacob & Esau or Joseph & his brothers or Solomon and his brothers or the story of Rehoboam son of Solomon. There are many other possibilities how the tree could have been destroyed. I hope someone will develop one into a story.
Wondering if there might be any connection between Archenland & Calormen and the original descendants of the first King of Narnia. Saul lost the kingdom to David for his bad choices. Perhaps something similar happened in Narnia. Could be ancestral ties between Calormen, Archenland and Narnia in the distant past.
Consider where would King Frank and Queen Helen find mates for their children? Of course, Caspian found a wife apparently outside of the race of Adam and Eve. Children of King Frank and Queen Helen could have left Narnia and settled in Archenland or Calormen. I especially have enjoyed the Horse and His Boy. Wondering why the Pevensie children were chosen as monarchs rather than a family from Calormen or Archenland?
@@myronsilver2634 The Magician's Nephew is clear on who King Frank and Queen Helen's children married: they married the magical peoples ("boys married nymphs, and the girls married wood-gods and river-gods.") "Their second son became King of Archenland." I don't think Calormen is mentioned, but humans got there somehow.
The Pevensies were chosen because there were no longer any humans in Narnia. The White Witch probably had killed or chased them all out and was watching the borders. By the Pevensies magically coming in, she is caught off guard and is thus defeated by mere children. Remember in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, the Beavers tell the children that the witch was on the lookout for humans after she heard the prophecy that four of them would lead to her death, and that prophecy was already quite ancient.
Yes, they are connected! In Lewis' official timeline he says that Archenland outlaws moved South to settle Calormen.
@@IntotheWardrobe But Caspian's people also came from the world of men. Aslan said there were other doors. The Calormen could have come through one of these other doors into the southern desert.
Also I am pretty sure the Magician's Nephew described the Hall of Images as having many empty chairs after Jadus, as if the line was to have continued but was cut short, so the illustration is not of an empty chair for her daughter, but if she knew the power of the Deplorable word, then she would have known her baby would have been protected. She was the ruler after all and probably had a consort.
These are some amazing theories! My one problem with the Emerald Lady being Jadis’ daughter is that she takes so long to even begin to ready her assault on Narnia. You’d think if she was around when the Telmarines conquered Narnia that all of that chaos would have provided numerous opportunities, but then, Jadis took a long time to ready her first assault too.
My personal theory is that the Green Wiitch is of the same Lilith bloodline as Jadis, but got into Narnia some time later. Neither of the two are the sort to brook a rival of such power, even if they’re family. They’d have fought like cats if they were both in Narnia at the same time. And we know that it’s not just the pure in heart or the special that can find their way into Narnia, since both Uncle Andrew and the ancestors of the Telmarines do so.
I once heard a long time ago that there was an association between Jadis and the Green Lady, so I think, if not Jadis' own daughter, then she could have been the pupil of a witch tradition founded by Jadis.
One of the owls in the book says that the owls’ theory about the green lady is that she is “one of the same crew” as the white witch. It’s not clear what exactly the owls mean by the word “crew” but it’s obvious that there is *some* connection. Owls are wise, so presumably they were right.
@@kate_cooper Well the Owls themselves may not have known. They were very wise people, but they didn't know everything. Also what the White Witch did during her time away in the far north of the world was not exactly public knowledge. It had also been over a thousand years since the White Witches reign, so it's a lot like us speculating about certain aspects of the Norman Conquest. What the Owls were doing was putting together certain pieces. They realized that the prince had been captured by someone magical (they correctly surmised that the serpent and the woman were one in the same) and that abduction had taken place near the norther border of Narnia. That, combined with the knowledge of their country's history led them to believe that the Green Lady and the White Witch were somehow connected.
What if she actually began as a snake and was turned into the creature we saw her as by the white witch? none of the creatures that work for the witch are mentioned in the Magician's Nephew (except dwarves) so I imagine she either made them or altered existing creatures to suit her needs. Maybe the green witch was one of them?
Or what if theory 3 is partially right, and the Green Lady is a Naiad who joined Jadis during her exile? If she was taught by Jadis, this would explain why she can do things other Naiads can't, and would make her old enough to have seen the Giant city before it was ruins.
Oohhh... interesting theory 🤔
According to Michael Wards book "The Narnian Code", the Silver Chair is the Moon book. Its filled to the brim with Moon imagery and symbolism. The fauns are doing a harvest dance in the snow in the moonlight, the words 'wet' and 'water' are used an unnaturally large number of times to describe stuff and the themes of insanity that define the book. Poetically I'd say shes C.S. Lewis own unique version of Selen the Moon Goddess. Crazy, envious of the Sun, denying its existence while only capable of shining second hand sunlight, capable of making nothing real herself.
Knowing that, I like the deranged Nyad theory the most. Since that ties her to all the purposeful water symbolism of the book. Maybe her father was a Nyad.
Nyad + forbidden apple?
@@samtjman what forbidden apple imagery from the book are you talking about?
@@danieldishon688 The Magician's Nephew in Aslan's Garden. Jadis ate the forbidden apple, so perhaps the Lady in the Green Kirtle found her way there too.
@@samtjman it's not mentioned in the silver chair and she dies so she's not immortal.
I don't think anyone is ever able to go back to that Gardin and get past it's gardien after the events of Magicians Nephew anymore than anyone can go back to Eden and steal it's fruit today. It's a little strange to even bring it's fruit up on my post on why Jadis fits a lot a moon imagery and her book is the moon book. Magicians Nephew is the Venus book and leans on Venus imagery
There aren't any male dryads or naiads they are all women. In mythology, they can conceive children but usually with human men or satyrs/fauns (and sometimes gods). Also, all children conceived from a union between dryads or naiads with human men are all female and end up like their mothers.
Also, for clarification, Dryads are tree spirits, and Naiads are freshwater spirits.
I actually wrote my bachelor's thesis about the Lady and I find so much of my research in this 😄 wonderful video!
So interesting... is alot of what you researched here
what degree? i'm surprised you can do a thesis on such a very specific topic of a fictional work
I had a teacher read The Lion the witch and the wardrobe to me when I was a kid, but I never read the rest of the books. recently my daughters wanted to watch the movies that were made back when I was a teenager I never was into the movies so this was pretty much like the first time I saw it. Totally made me want to read the books and get into the lore and this channel is really really helping thank you so much it's the best one for The Chronicles of narnia! You got a loyal listener here
Do yourself a favor and SKIP the Voyage of the Dawn Treader movie. The book is amazing, but the movie is a #^$* poor adaptation of it. Or if you insist on watching it, then PLEASE at least read the book first. Then you'll see what I mean.
@@artsman412 yeah pretty much
@@artsman412 yep. In the book, when Lucy is reading the spell to eavesdrop on her friends, the narrator says "NOTHING WILL INDUCE ME TO TELL YOU WHAT SHE SAID", and what does the movie version do? Reads the spell out loud. 🤦♂
Also, I get why they had an hallucination of Jadis appear before Edmund during the Dark Island, but it was all just tacky.
This man will grow faster than the Tree from the first book.
These videos make my day, keep up the fantastic work
So I still toy around with one theory in particular which centers around the botched resurrection of Jadis.
When the Hag and the Werewolf initiated the ritual they awoke Jadis’s spirit and consciousness, however when the ritual was interrupted and therefore incomplete Jadis’s spirit took advantage of the situation and with the remaining time her spirit had to linger in Narnia while still conscious she sought out a vessel to house her spirit and thereby be reborn.
I believe that she may have taken possession of a naiad or some other elemental creature which in turn would make them ‘of a kind’.
With the Green Lady being ‘of a kind’ with Jadis (a.k.a a witch; as a witch can never truly die as stated by the hag and werewolf) she would have access to immense magical power and innate knowledge of magic while not necessarily having knowledge or access to Jadis’s memories. Now I believe that Jadis possessing/merging with a naiad makes the most sense if only for one reason; ice is just another form of water and would play nicely to the white witch’s wheelhouse. However, water is mutable in comparison to the rigidity of ice but just as dangerous if not more so.
This could allow for a few of the theories mentioned in your video to merge/collide in an interesting and plausible way.
Wow. Love it! The two thrones in Charn really seals the deal for me. When I re-read the Silver Chair I’m definitely going to look at everything she does through this lens.
My favorite is that she could be Jadis' sister. We only have Jadis' word on what happened in Charn. She thought her sister died, but even she admits her sister already knew Jadis was able to use The Deplorable Word. Since her sister was victorious over Jadis, what's to say she wasn't just as strong and capable of laying her own spells to protect herself in the event of Jadis using the magic word? I propose maybe a kind of following spell to transport herself to whatever place, life, realm, that Jadis would go to. I don't think this is what Lewis intended; I don't think he invented an answer. But of all the theories, this is the one I'd prefer filmmakers to use, if they must use one.
I always believed as a child that she was truly Jadis or her sister or definitely related
The last theory makes soo much sense
It blew my mind when I heard it:
Jadis already being pregnant *before* Narnia...and her misery and despair blinded her to her own daughter and creating the monster the Lady would become...
I honestly don't believe Jadis is the last one of her kind. She always knew someone would eventually come from another world. The only thing in this whole story she wasn't counting on was being taken to a world without magic.
That means "charnians" were very familiar with the concept of the multiverse and travel in between worlds, so I think some of them could've left the world, maybe on different ocasions, and establish settlements on diferent pools of the Woods in between World. Or maybe a group experimenting with magic accidentally got into another world and made themselves at home in the same way it happend to humans in Narnia.
I don't think charnians can do that. Didn't we see what happened to the witch when she was at the Woods between the world?
@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 You can explain that one of two ways.
1) Charnians had developed a different method of traveling between worlds. The Wood between Worlds was discovered by Digory's Uncle basically messing around with things he did not understand.
2) After speaking the Deplorable Word, Jadis became cursed. She was responsible for so much death and destruction, that a realm of pure, quiet life was intolerable to her very being.
She mentions the idea that powerful Wizards can peer across dimensions and send people, so it could be that other Charnians existed somewhere out there
@@DrTimes99 1. That claim has no evidence to back it. You can never state it with such assurance
2. That curse that you mentioned also doesn't have any evidence of existing. It's just that you think that a curse of that characteristics SHOULD exist after uttering that word
@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 I said it CAN (have the opportunity or possibility to) be explained, not that it IS (to have an objective existence).
1) There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Wood Between Worlds isn't the only method of travel, that being every other book in which characters travel to and from Narnia. The Telmarines stumbled into a cave with a portal to Narnia, the wardrobe, Susan's horn summoned the Pevensie's to Narnia, Aslan can bring people straight to Narnia. This is all evidence that shows travel between worlds is possible without using the WBW. Additionally, Jadis was not at all surprised that a Magician should be able to both view her from another world, and send someone to fetch her. The Magic of Charn was developed enough to be able to end all life in the universe and put oneself into a state of suspended animation indefinitely. While one cannot definitively state the Charn had at least some access to interdimensional travel, I believe it to be short-sighted to rule the idea out altogether.
2) It is shown that Great magics coming with an unforeseen cost in the same book, to the same character mind you, exist. After Jadis eats the silver apple she is granted immortality, but her complexion is altered and she is left empty and desolate inside. Truth be told, there is no evidence to suggest Carnians are negatively impacted by the WBW, only that Jadis herself is. One is hardly evidence, and even two would be circumstantial. Three examples of unrelated Charnians entering the WBW and being negatively affected is the only actual evidence that would prove that it has a negative effect on Charnians as a whole. Otherwise, your initial claim is just as speculative as mine are.
Also, I'm not trying to be mean, just explaining in fuller detail, since I clearly failed to communicate this fully in my original post.
@@sadman.saqib.zahin01 Jadis is the only charnian we've met, but just because something is true about an individual, doesn't it means it's true for the entire species. Because she had magic does it means every charnian had it? Unlikely.
Because she had pale skin and dark hair, does it mean every charnian looked like that? Also unlikely.
An aspect that is lost in both the first and second theory is that Jadis ate the fruit of the Tree in the Garden:
"Do you know what that fruit is? I will tell you. It is the apple of youth, the apple of life. I know, for I have tasted it; and I feel already such changes in myself that I know I shall never grow old or die. Eat it, Boy, eat it; and you and I will both live forever and be king and queen of this whole world-or of your world if we decide to go back there."
-The Magician's Nephew
We need to remember that Lewis wrote the Narnia-books as a way of introduce young people to Christian theology. In the book of Genesis and the story of The Garden of Eden there are two trees, the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life and where therefore immortal while the Tree of Knowledge where forbidden. The parallel between the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden and the Tree in the Garden from the Magician's Nephew are very clear. And Jadis ate of that fruit and became immortal. Even though she was killed by Aslan we don't know if that was enough to bring death to someone who have eaten from the Tree of Life. It might had been temporary or it might mean her spirit lived on and therefore biding her time to be rebirthed by summoning or the precious commodity of time. If she survived in some form of another it would be by the power of the Tree in the Garden and not "the deep magic". She didn't need the deep magic or "giving her life for a traitor". The power of the Tree of Life would be enough to preserve her.
Does that mean that Aslan was tricked into believing he killed her? By all probability not. Just because everyone saw him kill the witch and believed in it (Christian theology, belief is an important thing) doesn't mean that Aslan didn't know the truth. He could, and probably did, know that Jadis wasn't dead but just defeated and banished. There are no reason that he should tell anyone about this. The people of Narnia where celebrating and none of those there would have any part in defeating Jadis when she inevitably would reappear. Let them have their victory and celebrate the death of the witch. As Aslan's inspiration said it:
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Matthew 6:34
To summaries my point. The argument for scenario 1 and 2 not being plausible are based upon things:
1. Jadiz could not be saved by the deep magic.
2. Aslan was tricked to believe that he killed the witch.
As I point out above Jadis wouldn't need the deep magic (that is only "deep" since it's before the Dawn of Time). She ate from the Tree of Life and therefore already immortal. And there is no reason to assume Aslan was tricked into believing that the Witch was truly dead, she could as well just had kept that knowledge to himself as he does with so much else.
Does this prove that The Lady of the Green Girdle is Jadis? No, it doesn't. But it means that the arguments in the video that it can't be Jadiz doesn't hold if one raises ones view from The Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe and takes the whole story into account.
I liked your reasoning!
I would agree, except on the point of us not knowing if someone who eats one of those apples can die, because if you remember from the end of the book, Digory took some of the apple back to his sick mother, and while she was healed by it, I think it's also reasonable to assume she didn't end up living forever, or it might have been mentioned.
@@Revanshard4501 True. But we need to remember that Earth is a "realm without magic". Someone recuperating from their ailment against bad odds isn't impossible but clearly within our worlds metaphysics. Someone being immortal is not. Just like Jadiz keept her strengths (such a strong person is improbable but not impossible) but couldn't work her magic the apple could keep it's healing properties but loose it's ability to give eternal youth and life.
But most important is Jadiz own words to Diggory that the apple will make him immortal in the text i quoted. Sure, she could be lying. But again we have to take Lewis' allegories into account. Jadiz is clearly an allegory for the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. And the Serpent didn't snare Eve with lies, it used the truth. Not the whole truth but still not outright lies. Jadiz would do the same since it is Lewis point with the story.
@@Revanshard4501 Aslan specifically tells Digory that the apple won't make his mother live forever, but it will cure her illness. So that settles that question.
I have another theory.
Did you remember, in the book 3 (Voyage of The Dawn Treader), Ramhandu once told that a Star sometimes make mistakes, and there's punishment to those who commit one? He told to Caspian and the others that Coriakin the Magician was once a Star. What if the lady in a green kirtle or the green witch was once a Star? But she was once made a terrible mistakes or began a rebellion to Aslan among the Stars so she was banished from the sky?
In my opinion, a Star in Narnia was the same as an Angel in our world. They have powers, magical being, and so divine than the other living creatures. Rhamandu's Daughter was a Star before she married with Caspian. And perhaps, the reason she was killed by the green witch is that they booth was once know each other before, and the killing thing is actually an act of revenge or something. There's one story in our world about the fallen angel. I believe we are all know who that is, and remember, that fallen angel was associated with snake/serpent in many literature.
And also the meaning of "Her (the white witch/Jadis) kind" perhaps wasn't actually referred to "Species" but more likely to "Same traits", which is magical being, evil, beauty, immortal, treacherous, villainous, ect.
In Book 1 (The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe), it was explained that Jadis is a djinn, looks similar to human but also very different with human. Although she was comes from Adam, but she was different with humans because she was in the line (descendants) of Lilith, Adam's first wife, not Eve, the mother of all humans.
Associated Jadis with the Green Witch isn't right for me, because we all know that Jadis didn't have the power to shape-shifting to a beast or monster. If she had that power, she probably will do the same as the Green Witch, intimidating her enemies with her monster appearance.
Also, if Jadis was pregnant before she comes to Narnia, there must be some clues in the original canon. But i won't denied that theory, since Mr. C. S. Lewis wasn't put so much details in Jadis background stories.
I've always thought of C.S. Lewis's "stars" as being roughly similar to Tolkien's Maiar, the angelic order of beings to which Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron belong. Also, there is a union between a Maia and an Elf in the First Age: Melian and Thingol, from whom some of the most important figures in Middle-Earth's history are descended (Luthien, Earendil, Elrond, the royal line of Numenor and ultimately Aragorn.) Very similar to Caspian marrying Ramandu's daughter, if you ask me! C.S. Lewis probably took a lot of inspiration from Tolkien, or vice-versa, given they developed their cosmogonies at the same time.
This would explain why she tried so hard to deny the sun and sky
Stars are sometimes green in our world, as well as red, blue, and yellow, so she might be a fallen star. Also, Ramandu’s daughter was killed by this Lady and was trying to tell her son something before she died, she could’ve been trying to warn Rilian about her. She might have even known her.
I like the theory that the Lady of the Green Kirtle was Jadis' daughter.
I want to explore that idea more. In Charn, Jadis didn't have Immortality, and she had killed all of her people. If she had raised a Daughter there, there would have been nothing more than a dead world.
What if she had preserved herself to wait for some outsider to awaken her not only to conquer a new world but to start her lineage with her daughter in a world she could conquer (assuming she wouldn't live forever).
The Silver Apple was just a lucky discovery, and may have provided such Immortality to Jadis' child (as nutrients often are passed down).
Next, I could only assume Jadis taught her daughter magic after she discovered Narnia's Dark Magic, because Charn magic had no effect in Narnia. And maybe Jadis' daughter hated Narnia because her mother was killed there, and because Jadis taught her to.
My theory is that the Green Witch is not Jadis's daughter, but an enigma from outside the world of Narnia who somehow managed to find her way inside Narnia after the Tree of Protection died and Jadis was able to conquer Narnia (probably sometime after Jadis died and during the reign of Caspian after VDT, when there was no threat to Narnia). She is spiritually of the same type as Jadis (witch), but is not from the same world as Jadis and is probably an evil witch from another world in one of the pools in the Wood between the Worlds. It's like when the Huns devastated ancient Western Rome, leaving room for even more barbarians like the Vandals etc to move in. Once an evil witch has entered Naria in the case of Jadis, the way is paved for more to come in and wreak havoc.
It could be that Kirtle is the daughter of Jadis and a human from the line of Frank. Jadis always knew that the Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve were destined for the Throne of Narnia, so she could have attempted to have her own child with a human, in order to "meet the requirement". However, Kirtle would have been a Daughter of Adam and not suitable. This ultimately explains Kirtle's drive to become Queen of Narnia with Rilian by her side. Their child would be the legitimate Ruler of Narnia and heir of Jadis by blood.
Interesting idea. The only problem is Jadis wouldn't have been able to enter Narnia during Frank's lifetime. I suppose he could have left the boundaries of the tree of protection but after witnessing Narnia's creation and the horrors of the witch firsthand, I'd think he would stay within the safe boundaries of Narnia. But maybe another human father such as a Calormene?
@@IntotheWardrobe Oh yes. I'm not saying Frank would be the Father, but rather a descendent of Frank
@@DrTimes99 that's what I get for reading comments way past my bedtime! My mistake!
Personally, I never thought the Lady was Jadis or another blood relative of hers. I was a bit inspired by the Naiad theory though. Perhaps she was sort of a Narnian version of the Siren from Greek mythology. I know it’s not a one for one comparison, but I do think one of her defining characteristics is using her beauty to seduce men for nefarious purposes.
Omg can you do a video about just Magic within the books, rules, structure, abilities, etc.
The idea that TLOTGK is the daughter of Jadis has never occurred to me before, but it's really interesting!
I feel a little late to this video lol but anyhow:
I'm more attracted to the 3rd theory you presented here. It actually has explanatory scope for something I've wondered about in the back of my mind. In the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Jadis is referred to as "The queen of Narnia and empress of the Lone Islands". However, before Jadis' conquest of Narnia, she had taken control of the Northern lands, slowly gathered forces there, etc. So technically the Northern Lands were also her domain. But why is she not referred in her titles as "Queen/Empress of the Northern Lands"? Two possibilities are on the table:
1). She totally abandoned her control over that region. But why? There were still inhabitants up there to rule over as subjects. So I don't think this option makes sense.
OR,
2). She left the control of the region to someone else while she herself ruled in Narnia. But who? Considering how selfish Jadis was, who could she possibly consider as worthy enough to rule the North in her absence? Well...what about someone who's from the same flesh and blood as her?
Between the two options, I think this latter one makes more sense! :)
3.) The North was such a miserable, cold, depressing wasteland that she wanted to sort of forget it existed. Much like our British government, only less evil.
Thanks for such a fun channel., I just LOVE analyzing Lewis' work! What a gift he had for character development and connections with familiar yet otherworldly culture! If you haven't read his space Trilogy, you're missing out on more fun topics to ponder.
I agree that the green witch isn’t Jadis. She is too subtle, too patient. Jadis herself is a straightforward, impatient person. She sees what she wants and she takes it, preferring brute force and immediate results over a slow takeover like the green witch did. Case in point her attempts to “conquer” London. She also would not accept ruling in someone else’s name. So the idea of her keeping Rillian alive for the purpose of legitimizing her rule would be laughable. Jadis is a conqueror, she is not someone who would tolerate being in the shadows like the green witch seems to prefer nor would she be content being sidelined in her own plot. So the green witch is definitely not her.
The idea of her being Jadis’s own child is much more believable. It is easy to see a story where Jadis grows resentful of her offspring, who is weak in terms of magical strength (not fitting the ideas Jadis had for her own heir) but is able to use the subtler spells to charm people into liking her or with sweet words and guile. (She gets so good it becomes her specialty) Eventually she attempts to kill said offspring, not realizing the green witch while still weaker had grown in power and influence. The green witch manages to eventually escape and plans her revenge. Unfortunately, Jadis is killed before she can get strong enough to do it herself. The green witch eventually decides to conquer Narnia as a final insult to Jadis as being Rillian’s bride would legitimize her and force the Narnians to properly acknowledge her as queen, succeeding where her mother failed. Rillian is Caspian’s heir and only son after all.
Thanks for the great post. I love it.
I always assumed the Green Witch was Jadis but after hearing the theory that the Green Witch was the daughter of Jadis, to me, just made a whole lot since. It explains the similarities between Jadis and the Green Witch but it doesn't create a plothole of how Jadis died and somehow came back to life.
Honestly, it has always been obvious to me that the Lady of the Green Kirtle is Morgan le Fay.
Virtually every feature of the Lady of the Green Kirtle finds a parallel in one of Morgan's versions. She even tends to be depicted in paintings as a witch dressed in green. Also, his plan to take down Caspian by using his son and killing his wife, in order to take Narnia, recalls Morgan trying to harm Arthur by attacking Guinevere and using Mordred, son of Arthur, to one day reclaim Camelot...That she can transform into a snake, that she is immortal...
The parallels are there, without missing one.
It is even more clear if, in addition to that, we remember that:
a) CS Lewis loved the Arthurian legends.
b) Lewis had no problem introducing legendary characters from our world into the world of Narnia (Father Christmas).
c) That in The Magician's Nephew reference is made to Morgan, when they tell us about Uncle Andrew's godmother, Mrs. Lefay, who somehow had a box with the necessary instruments to create the rings that allowed travel between worlds. Probably, that lady was a descendant of Morgan, who at some point figured out how to travel between worlds and managed to get to Narnia (after Jadis, surely).
The point is that it seems obvious to me that the Lady of the Green Kirtle identity is Morgan le Fay.
Since writing this video I've done some additional research, and I have strong reasons to believe you may be right.
@@IntotheWardrobe Could you please share your reasons for thinking so?🥺
what about Jadis's Sister in the Magicians Nephew she speaks about defeating her sister and destroying her kingdom if I recall rightly but its been a long time since i read the books
Yeah. The conflict ends with Jadis using the Deplorable Word and killing EVERYONE (including her sister) but her in her entire world.
Love your videos man! I never thought I’d hear about Narnia again, keep up the phenomenal work!
The baby would absolutely not have been protected. Because it had a little soul, unlike the microbiota in Jadis' body, it would have been vulnerable to and targeted by the Deplorable Word, which would have aborted it. Lewis would have held to the idea that life begins at conception, not birth, so he would agree with me, and debunk this one. Ultimately, it's an intriguing theory that doesn't quite hold water.
There's a way around this, though, and I'm happy to help.
If Jadis had had sex with someone during the battle-approaching death can cause someone to engage in life-affirming acts like the sexual one-spoken the Deplorable Word and only conceived after the Word had been spoken, the baby girl would have dodged the devastating effect, and could have kindled within her.
So, indeed, she could have been pregnant in Charn ... and Jadis is actually devious enough to have planned just that.
I'm enjoying your work. Well done.
Weird enough, I kinda feel Jadis would've been so disgusting and deplorable enough(seeing as how she uttered the Deplorable word) that she would be someone to do what you described
Personally, I theorise that she might be a child of Jadis. We know that Jadis spent 900 years hiding out in the north, so she would certainly have had time to have a child, and it is notable that the north is where the giants life, Jadis is said to descend from giants, meaning she would have been able to find a genetically compatible husband to father her child. This would explain why the Green Witch is so similar to the White Witch, they are mother and daughter, without contradicting the fact that Jadis is dead. It would also explain her motive; as the child of the former queen, and a descendant of the royal line of Charn, she might see herself as having a right to rule over Narnia.
Of course there are some holes here, for one thing we know that Jadis got her eternal youth from the Silver Apple in Aslan's Garden, so it is unlikely to be inherited by her child. However, we don't fully know how Narnian magic works, so it could be inherited, or it is possible that Jadis told her daughter where the garden was, if eternal youth is not inheritable it is safe to assume that the repulsion factor wouldn't be either, and she did as her mother once did. Also a consort is never mentioned, but as we have a 900 year window there is more than enough time for the Green Witch's father to have died, and it is worth noting that Jadis is evil, she may have killed her consort.
Another possibility is that the Green witch, while not Jadis' direct child, is a descendant of her, born of generations living in the north.
EDIT: Just got to the bit in the video where this theory is outlined, I guess I jumped the gun a bit. Will leave this here though
I also found an explanation for green lady's long life, which none of the beings on the land have, other than jadis and aslan. Jadis became immortal after consuming the immortal fruit, which really isn't that easy to obtain, especially for those dwelling in the north. But if she was carrying a child at that time, the child too would consume the fruit. That is the secret to her long life.
Also, being pregnant might be the reason she tried to preserve herself in Charn. If all her people were dead, then why would she want to keep living all alone? She didn't have any idea of the multiverse. Yet she relied on a seemingly impossible hope for such a practical person. Unless she felt the need to preserve her child and give it a good future.
Bingo.
@@IntotheWardrobe just stumbled onto your channel today and loved the in-depth scrutiny of each theories. Keep up the good work and see if you find something about the emperor beyond the sea! It always intrigued me.
Oooh, that's a tall order! But I think it could be pretty fascinating, especially as He relates to other worlds. Let me know if you have any insights!
"She didn't have any idea of the multiverse."
She clearly did, because she didn't seem very surprised to find herself awakened by two children from another world, and immediately ordered them to take her to their world. One suspects she "preserved" herself for that very reason, so that someone would one day find her, no matter how long it might take.
@@IntotheWardrobe I always thought the Emperor beyond the sea, seeing as Aslan always referred to him as father, I thought the emperor was supposed to be God, seeing as Aslan is Jesus
So, if the Pregnancy theory is correct, does that mean Jadis's rampage in the real world was the result of hormones?
Wow! For me that sounds very plausible xD
The menopause really did a number on her.
This was so awesome..!! I would have never even thought about that last theory. I think it definitely makes the most sense. Also ties in as to why she would want to take over Narnia. For power but also revenge 😊😊
People should be getting more into this instead of waiting for Winds of Winter.
It could be that you Lady of the Green Kirtle is the White Witch's daughter and like you said brought over the barrier of Worlds. Since she is said to be very old too.
I always assumed the Green Lady was Jadis. These theories are great, now I'm thinking- yes, the deep magic doesn't apply to her BUT she ate from the Tree of Everlasting Life (or what it was called?) in the Magician's Nephew, so maybe that gave her old magic powers. Perhaps she's a bit like Voldemort- seemingly dies but her spirit can inhabit another or she can be eventually resurrected? hmm...
Whoever she was, with Walden Media's habit of shoehorning Tilda Swinton's cameos (I'm not complaining, she's awesome) the Green Lady surely would have been played by her had they made a Silver Chair movie, just as it happened in the BBC adaptation. Maybe even leaving her true identity ambiguous.
Great video, I think the last theory for the lady of the green kirtle's origin makes the most sense and seems absolutely plausible, considering how alike she and the witch are, and since C. S. Lewis didn't reveal her origin , I can't help but wonder if that could have been what he would have had in mind as the lady of the green kirtle's origin.
Great theory! I think one other possibility is that the Green Witch was the offspring of a giant and jin in Narnia. You said that Jadis and the green witch are of the same kind which I interpret to be species. If the Green Witch is a combination of giant and jin like Jadis then she would be of the same kind.
Definitely possible! I had always assumed there weren't Djinn in Narnia, but they were obviously known by the Narnian creatures. You could be on to something there! Djinn might also explain the existence of other dark creatures like Werewolves, Hag, Boggles, etc.
Yes, during the time Jadis was in North she could have bred a new generation of witches like her by mixing jinn and giants. I like that theory, very Tolkien like and probably closest to what Lewis had in mind. Jadis' daughter is also very interesting idea.
Personally I think there's just too many parallels between her and Jadis. When you couple this with the inclusion of groups attempting to resurrect her in a previous book, the theory that she is a resurrected form of Jadis becomes the most supported within the actual text.
I read the first 30 pages of the first Narina books when I was like 16 and I never really had a desire to finish it. But I've seen a lot of Narina content lately, and it kinda makes me think about picking up the books. I might grab a copy of the first book
Would love to hear your experience! My advice--read the original published order, not the new one. Start with The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, and save the backstory in Magician's Nephew for later--there will be surprises and reveals which will have much more meaning to you at that point. Cheers!
1:34 I always thought that as a child, to be honest. There's even a line in the *Prince Caspian* referring to Jadis, "Whoever heard of a witch who really died?" I always was for Theory #2 but not anymore.
Same. I never saw the old movies that used the same actor for Jadis and the Lady. But I just checked the books I grew up reading and it does say that Jadis appears in The Silver Chair. But yes, does make much more sense that it's not her! Thinking about it, I like that better.
Would love a video on how far the Dawn treader actually sailed. Yes I know It would only be a guesstimate based off of the speed of a sailing ship but I would still like a very rough estimate for at least the distance from Narnia to the edge of the world. I tried figuring out myself but the math quickly became overwhelming but if we were to assume that Narnia is the exact center of the flat world then if we knew one distance to its edge we could figure out how big the world of Narnia actually is.
Thank you for the two videos. I wholeheartedly enjoyed both of them. For a long time I’ve wondered about the origins of the lady of the green kirtle. I always thought that Jadis and the lady were one and the same. That Jadis had somehow survived or was brought back to life in another form. I like the theory that the lady is the daughter of Jadis and I agree with the theory of her origin presented in this video. I found these videos almost right after finishing watching the two videos of Jadis origins. Thank you!
Also, Jadis - sounds a lot like Jade, a mysterious GREEN gemstone😉🤔.
Thank you for the video & your work! 💚
I always assumed that she was a new aspect of Jadis or someone being possessed by Jadis. If Jadis is the Satan figure, then maybe she endured in some form or another
My thoughts, too. Evil never dies, it always comes back in some way. Also, snakes shed their skin and look new and different. They represent immortality in some cultures and evil in others.
"If Jadis is the Satan figure, then maybe she endured in some form or another"
Perhaps she found a way to "cheat death" and remain an active force in the world, much like what Sauron did with the One Ring, and Voldemort with his Horcruxes. Both villains use dark magic to possess other beings (the Nazgul are humans whose wills have been enslaved by their rings), and I wouldn't put it past Jadis to do something similar.
Everyone I think understands it to be Jadis or a reincarnation of her just because the first ever uk tv adaptation where they had the same actress play the White Witch, and then play the green lady. For me I think she was left anonymous so the reader can make their own decision of who she is.. and look even today we are all still guessing.. for me I think like the whole narnia franchise she is not new, and she is not just made up. The green lady is based of someone esp in the Christianity lore..Lewis is consistent but I'm not an expert.
Great channel!
You could talk about the erased words in Harfang next. Who was present when they were written. Who might be buried there (maybe "Father Time"?). I'm from Brazil by the way, so I don't know the translated names...
Another topic is the "bottom of the world"
Looking forward for the next video!
Father Time is buried much deeper underground. The children see him when they are down in the Green Witch's world. "They say he will wake at the end of the world." I think it was some Giant king or emperor.
@@smkemmett3562 Maybe, but it must have been a good giant, because Aslam was there, right?
In the end, I feel like The Lady is entirely separate from Jadis. Throughout the series, the characters talk about "witches" and what they do and how they behave. "Witches" plural. There's no reason to believe Jadis was the only one. Or that other people from Archenland, giant country, or Calormene couldn't become witches. When it says "cut of the same cloth" that could be in reference to the fact that they're witches or even of the same temperament. I know it's not as fun as imagining Jadis' family tree, but it feels the most likely scenario Lewis intended. We have to remember that Lewis wrote The Silver Chair before he wrote The Magicians Nephew, and probably didn't plan for the story of Charn yet. Personally, I like the Lilith comparison at least from a literary angle.
Liked your point in the conclusion about mysteries. I haven't read the books yet but excited to read this stuff for myself.
Been looking forward to this video for a long time. I grew up with one of the editions with the editing mistake in the character bios, and have been a fan of the Green Witch is Jadis theory since then. Definitely held up the dark ritual in Prince Caspian and the "have you ever heard of a witch who actually died" line as evidence. I think Jadis still being around makes perfect sense from a Christian allegory perspective. She's basically Satan in the same way Aslan is Jesus. Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe is an allegory for Jesus' death and resurrection, while Magician's Nephew is about original sin and introducing evil into the world. From Lewis' theological perspective, it would be wrong to say that Jesus destroyed Satan, only that Jesus defeated Satan and took away his power. Human evil is more than capable of restoring a sliver of that power and Satan is still very much a threat. From that perspective, I think it makes MORE sense if Jadis coming back was a possibility that Narnians had to watch out for, and SIlver Chair is a story about what happens when that occurs.
Anyway, as a fan of this theory, I was really sad that the 2005 film series ended right before Silver Chair, since they ALMOST CERTAINLY would have made the Green Witch Jadis given how they were trying to set Jadis up as a series-spanning big-bad. This would have codified this theory in a lot more people's minds and made my childhood self very happy. *Sigh* If only those films had been better!
I speculate either she is one of the descendants of the plane or world traveling faer folk or the fairies that mastered the way to travel to more vulnerable and easy to conquer young worlds or she is an actual offspring of the Jadis hence she is a half giant she might actually contributed to uplifting the giants towards an actual empire in her exile
What if she's Jadis' sister? What if the deplorable word Jadis spoke didn't kill everyone else on her world but rather scattered them across all of the different worlds
I kind of like that theory. But perhaps they are the last two, unless some of their people found their way to the Wood Between Worlds before the war started. I see it as possible that they might not have been just sisters, but twins; would the magic of the Deplorable Word have been able to tell them apart ?
She could have lied
I must say I love the daughter theory!
I think that the last is certainly the most likely. Either that or the Green Witch was a daughter of Lilith.
Also, the illustration shows two empty thrones, yes, but is it just my imagination, or is Jadis' belly bulging just a wee bit? Perhaps the fashion of dress for the great ladies of Charn, but perhaps not? I pity the poor old boy who fathered Jadis' child if she indeed had one.
Counterpoint: In Prince Caspian Nikabrik says you cannot truly kill witches, that is to say, they can always be brought back. They were, in fact, prepared to resurrect her. So it's still possible that the Emerald Witch and White witch were, at least spirit-wise, the same person. Oh wait, your covering that, give me a second. Counterpoint 2: Here's a theory, what if, because Narnia was not her world, and because she could not continue to Aslan's Kingdom her spirit was eternally trapped in Narnia. She could have been brought back through possession or any of many other black magics like they seem to have in Narnia. I do like that last one, it's got me more convinced than the others, but I think the Giant for a father thing was more likely she "had giant's blood in her" after all. The Magician's Nephew also clearly states that the chair went on for quite a long while behind Jadis, like there was meant to be more.
If the Lady is Jadis’ daughter she probably would have been conceived in Narnia because she’s also immortal. That immortality may have been genetic. I also think that’s one of the most compelling piece of evidence that she is Jadis’ daughter. They are “of the same kind” while also being immortal.
I love that intro! "A world more real than our own." I don't know much about Narnian lore but Lilith sounds like a good shout. I was also thinking of the sister or another from her world too. IF "witches don't die?" Perhaps that could mean, they are able to keep their essence or ego identity, even after the loss of physical form? And then be kind of reborn from the Earth. The "mother" creation energy of all life. That's what happen's to "green" mother energy when it becomes unbalanced too. It turns into greed, ego and is selfish. So is bitter + jealous of real compassion/love, such as the bond between a mother/daughter! It's a very tricky energy. Water is also the element most associated with deep, "feminine" emotion, it's *surface* beauty is a good mirror + can reflect what people wish to see. So it can be irresistible. It also wants to consume everything, rather than to give or nurture. So can suck in or put a spell on even the righteous too. And they are in the Underland realm, like a Greek underworld myth, trying to break on up after all. Either one, Lilith or a relation of the white witch is more than plausible?
i don't know if it's been said but to go along with Jadis being pregnant on Charn, she got to the point of those words being spoken and if she knew she was gonna die while bearing a child, moms will do incredible things to protect their kids. i believe we have the answer in this theory, i'm bingeing the hell out of this channel right now
The last theory that Jadis might be the mother of green witch and was pregnant with her all the way from charn does remind me of something. In the magician’s nephew, jadis mentions that she had to go to a secret place and pay a “terrible price” to learn the deplorable word, and that has always given me the impression that she had to make a very twisted and sinister bargain… perhaps she was compelled to engage in some demonic rituals that involved deviant and sexual stuff which led her to finally learn the word and even become pregnant.. which, in my opinion, might be the reason why she was so cruel and had no compassion towards anybody.. the ritual possibly shattered her soul and the fact that she also came from a tyrannical family didn’t help either.
I really love that last theory. It would aid in explanation why Jadis chose to freeze herself in time, rather than just fade away and die: simply put, she did it for a chance for not only herself, but her unborn child. Fascinating thought!
Here's an idea that occurs to me after watching.. what if the Green Witch was the daughter of Jadis, but her father was a river god? That basically combine all of the last three theories, which seems pretty cool to me. And it wouldn't mean Jadis couldn't have been pregnant on Charn, nor have conceived children with giants, because it's implied there were, at least at one time, multiple witches in the north. Perhaps the Emerald Witch was the strongest, who killed all her sisters, or perhaps there even were other witches who attempted to conquer Narnia during ages we know nothing about
I love how we all pretending that the third movie did not exist ... They had some weird green fog I think in reference to the green witch , so lame ...
Great content bwt
In the 'Voyage of the Dawn Treader' when Caspian and the crew are sailing east and come to Ramandu's Island, they encounter basically two "stars" including Ramandu who have taken the form of humans. Naiads and Dryads are also there and shown as taking humanoid forms. We also don't know for certain if Jadis was the only one from her world to escape its destruction after Digory & Polly broke the spell. I propose two alternative theories that aren't discussed here then: the Green Lady is either some sort of "nature-spirit" like a fallen star or some other type of powerful being that went rogue and could shapeshift, or is perhaps another refugee from Jadis' homeworld of Charn who somehow escaped its destruction at some point. Her being the offspring of Jadis is also a potentially likely theory though given the fact that although she's not human, neither was Caspian's wife/Rillian's mother who was basically a star. It's never ruled out that Jadis or her "species" was incompatible with humans so the possibility is definitely there
Well one theory neglected was the possibility that Jadis was reincarnated into the Green Lady. And also the last theory with the two thrones, keep in mind there were two current heirs before Jadis used the Deplorable Word. So it would be sensible to say that those two thrones were left to be filled by images of Jadis and her sister.
You took in my theories! Thanks for this vid, well done! ;)
Thank you for the great idea! It was fantastic!
Here's another point that makes that last theory plausible. The Emerald Witch was young and beautiful, but had lived for millennia. What was one of the first things Jadis did when she arrived? Ate the fruit of eternal youth. What happens to some of the food consumed by a pregnant woman? I can't see any other explanation for it, other than Lewis just going "Oh this other evil witch was here the whole time." Cause... he did do that sometimes. Tolkien would give him shit for it in their letters to each other when they were critiquing each other's works.
I would say that the second theory is still possible, because all it would take is a witch capable of finishing what the hag started in 'Prince Caspian'. Arguably, I would say that the extra chair shows that they expected her line to continue. That doesn't mean she was pregnant, maybe her sister was instead. My point being that the last empty chair was a sign that the line was expected to continue and not necessarily before there was any proof of it. It's really hard to say for certain anymore at this point. They could be hinting that Jadis and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were similar in personality, they could mean they were of the same line, or they could just be saying that though not related, they were cut from the same cloth so to speak. The only one able to answer such a thing is no longer with us, and it's very possible that Lewis wanted it to remain a mystery.
This is just a theory that I thought of and I could be completely wrong but here we go. It's kind of like theory that the green witch is the daughter of Jadis but this is a slightly different version.
In the magician's nephew, Jadis states that she used the deplorable word on her home world and that when she did, she made herself the last of her kind. But what if she wasn't? What if her sister had a child? And in the wood between the worlds, we see that there are multiple different entrances to many different worlds. So, what if Jadis's sister had a daughter and the child was sent to one of these different worlds for her safety and that she would be sent for when the war was over and that it was safe for her to return. So when Jadis kills the rest of their kind, Jadis naturally assumes that everyone bar herself is dead probably not knowing that her niece is also alive. So after Jadis leaves, what if her niece returns a few years later maybe after to see if the war is still going on only to find everyone dead? And what if there was something that lead to the niece finding out that it was Jadis who killed the rest of her kind so, led by anger and betrayal, tries to hunt down her aunt to exact her revenge for her actions? But, not knowing where she could be, looks around Charn and then around the other worlds to try to find her before eventually arriving at Narnia? But by the time she arrived at Narnia, Jadis was already dead meaning that she could not exact her revenge? And, consumed by the grief, anger and betrayal that had driven her for so many years, she eventually became mad and became the green witch that we see later on in the history of Narnia?
I know that it isn't the best theory that describes the green witch but it is just a theory. So, it would be kinda cool to see what everyone else thinks about this theory.
Oooh wow good theory. Great video as always and can’t wait to see who or where is next 😃
Barbara Kellerman is my favourite. She was Jadis, Hag & then the Lady of the green kirtle
I’d argue that just because the werewolf and hag failed to bring Jadis back, doesn’t mean someone somewhere else couldn’t. Perhaps the hag and werewolf fail because she had already been called back and was taking control of the underworld. The possibility is there.
I do like the idea of Green Kirtle being the daughter, as it is most logical. Perhaps she even had her own kingdom with the giants before they were overthrown and her Silver Chair plot is a patient and well-timed plan. Lots of choice there too.
She is a more fascinating character than most in the Narnia series.
When my sibiling's, and I, were first introduced, to The Silver Chair, we always'd argued, that the witch was, either jadis, resurrected or her, daughter.
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' And the lesson of it all is, your Highness [ Rilian ], ' said the oldest Dwarf , ' that those Northern Witches always mean the same thing, , but in every age they have a different plan for getting it '. ( SC )
Adds a little light.
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Did i see a Frank Peretti book on the shelf next to the Narnia books?
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I would say the issue of Jadis being dead could be argued differently. It could be that what Aslan destroyed was Jadis's body, not her completely.
What Aslan was doing was destroying the vessel in which Jadis resided, which would in turn destroy her influence and remoce her from the world. But only physically.
In other words, her spirit was detached from her body. Her spirit was let loose, wandering the world. So when the hag speaks of brining her back, this is what she was referring to - summoning her disembodied spirit and finding or creating a new host for it. That way, she can be dead but come back.
And it would mean Aslan didn't make a mistake. He did kill her. He destroyed her body which removed her influence over the age. Even if her spirit did survive, it's helpless to do anything unless someone intervenes. That in itself is also very tricky.
Thanks for the note, and good eye! I actually plan on doing a video very soon about this topic. Appreciate the perspective !
@@IntotheWardrobe Yes. And can I mention.
Peretti. That guy's books are just top notch. He wanted to write another Darkness book about 15 years ago. I don't guess he ever did, but in that time he wrote both Monster and House (with Ted Dekker) and a couple more. Still some solid stuff.
I love the last theory great video
So as it turns out this is basically the perfect time for Narnia to be adapted again, specifically the Silver Chair since 'WandaVision' is still fresh in everyone's minds, and then with the Lady of the Green Kirtle SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN 'WANDAVISION'
we'll meet another witch who uses her magic to if not warp actual reality then at least to control peoples minds and behaviours.
Except of course that in WandaVision she did so as a result of a mental breakdown out of a whole lifetime of grief and loss while the Lady's doing so is calmly planned and deliberately enacted with a specific goal for power rather than a desire for personal peace, love and happiness.
Intresting theorys. I always wondered whats connection if any Jadis and the green lady share with Tash and the Calormen gods from the South.
They facinate me because we know from the last battle that at least Tash is real, in the series. He doesn't seem openly aggressive against Narnia per se more a hatred of it, but Aslan defines him as his opposite. If he is against narnia what has is he doing. Is he the source of the dark magic that Jadis calls upon or a symptom of it. In the magicians nephew Jadis lost most of her powers moving outside of the world of charn. Yet by the lion the witch and the wardrobe she has not only herpowers back but knowledge of the deep magic.
i think the 1st theory is posible because in the 2nd book,jadis says to aslan 'remember the deep magic'.jadis could also be refering to her not dying and we also know that the deep magic is by FARR much more powerfull than aslan
Ever since I first learned about the religious implications of a lot of the series, I immediately thought of The Green Lady as a representation of Lilith, sin incarnate, temptation, wrath, control over some creatures. It all fits and I'm sure Lewis had Lilith in mind
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During the entire video I'm waiting to see if it brought up the daughter aspect but the pregnancy aspect is something I had not considered. That is a very plausible theory. Now here's another thing, did the silver apple affect the fetus? Would that explain why her daughter was like the way she was or could that just be a product of upbringing?
I am also of the opinion that she was from Charn. Left before the war and found a way through to Narnia.
Woahhh this is so cool! Even though the theories are not intentional by Lewis they are so interesting
The Lilith theory is the best. However, it is mentioned on the "Silver Chair" that she is from an ancient and divine race and she is also the last of her kind.
ello, in the silver chair novel, the green witch has a horse called snowflake, so she is probably closely related to jadis, that apparently winter was her favorite season or her most practiced magic. Maybe she's a reincarnation/rebirth of Jadis using another of the powers mentioned in Charm, or she uses other magic items, instead of the ice wand, she wears the dress that turns her into a snake (it doesn't come off when transforming), the instrument musical and powder for mind control. It could also be his daughter who conceived in Charm who could be regent of the northlands and who during all this time was the one who sent the giants to attack Narnia while the Pevensi brothers were in Narnia.
It could be a lamia or a corrupted nayade created by Jadis, or in reality it was always a lamia who, by biting Liliandi, stole her appearance, transforming into a younger version of her and was never a humanoid being.
Good videos.
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Lilith is really interesting. I never knew much about her before researching this series.
@@IntotheWardrobe yes : she always struck me as a similar character ' and Lewis always seemed to use themes from the bible
The silver chair would be such a dark movie if it was done properly . The green lady is the darkest force to have hit Narnia.. I think it would be epic to see a movie made now and then work on the other movies.. I do really like the original movies. I think the dawn treader didnt really stand to the first 2 and I think this is down to having no definite source of evil... they did great having jadis suggested... and having a cameo.
@@IntotheWardrobe your one of the best authors to have covered this... I follow Narnia alot.. you do this best.. please keep it going... I was so happy you hinted my idea of the green lady thank you.
I agree largely with the last theory in this video. It would seem the most likely. I do have my own theory I would like to add: the Lady of the Green Kirtle (LGK) is one of Jadis’s kin: you see obviously both are witches both are friendly with the Giants in Northern Narnia, and while we don’t know where LGK came from I do think that it’s possible that LGK just like Jadis is in fact from Charn. This is pure speculation, I could very well be wrong but it’s possible. I do think the last theory in this video is the most likely. I definitely agree that it’s not Jadis returned from the dead because Aslan made quite certain she was in fact dead at the First Battle Of Beruna, besides the only way she would’ve been brought back is if a ritual with a son of Adam spilling a drop of blood was involved but that thankfully never took place before it could start.Anyways that’s my take.
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That last theory makes the most sense
Here is a twist on your theory that she's Jadis' daughter: What if during the age where Jadis was kept out of Narnia by the tree of protection she seduced and ensnared a prince of Narnia, just as we know The Green Lady tried to do with Rillian, and it was from their union The Green Lady was born? And what if it was through this fallen prince's aid that Narnia was conquered by Jadis once the tree fell? I've always envisioned that Narnia didn't just fall to Jadis through a straight up invasion but because the Narnians had become complacent and corrupted after centuries of peace, similar to the fall of Numenor in Tolkien's works. And of course once victory had been achieved Jadis murdered the traitor prince to ensure the prophecy never came to pass?
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