LBJ and Barry Goldwater, 8/4/64, 10.06p.
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- Telephone Conversation between President Johnson and Barry Goldwater
Citation No.: 4715
August 4, 1964
Time: 10.06PM
Speakers: President Johnson and Barry Goldwater, office conversation
General Topics: Congressional Relations; Defense; Elections; National Politics; Speeches; Vietnam
Topics: LBJ Reads Goldwater His Proposed Statement On US Response To Tonkin Gulf Attacks, Discusses Timing Of Statement To Avoid Endangering US Forces; Goldwater Expresses Support For LBJ's Actions
More info on the LBJ telephone conversations: www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/...
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The Prez keeps Goldwater waiting.
Power move
He lamented later that Vietnam had overshadowed his efforts toward the Great Society….well, he did it all to himself….he only had himself to blame….
Conversation starts at 1:20.
Gulf of Tonkin. The lie that started it all.
Set up fake from word go ; it came back to drive him crazy... Kennedy would have checked it out ; this guy is crazy.. even Jackie said it
LBJ bulldozers over the other one on the line, no matter who it is.
They were enemies yet LBJ still calls him Barry
They weren't enemies. They were members of different political parties. They served in the senate together for a long time, and they were friendly political opponents. Goldwater would have called him Lyndon if Johnson were still a senator instead of president.
Goes to show it's just that a SHOW !!
Interesting that he's having this conversation with his opponent in 64.
More a monologue than a conversation.
Goldwater told Johnson in 1965 to give Vietnam a year, and if the objective isn't met then pull everybody out. It wasn't worth it.
Shortly before Douglas McArthur passed away he warned LBJ not to escalate any further in Vietnam. Johnson simply didn't want to listen to anyone.
Johnson: "Operator, can I have time and charges for this call?"
The clandestine conversation adds creditability to the assertion that Democrat and Republican politicos are essentially the best of friends, working in unison to foster turmoil and exert power against the American people.
jeffersonianideal gulf of Tonkin was a lie from hell. Never happened
This was a courtesy phone call disclosing a falsified provocation before the lie was sold to the media. Nothing more; nothing less.
Clandestine is a strange word to use for an ordinary phone call.
Nothing about it was clandestine. They were friendly and respectful, not best of friends.
This call quality is horrible. To bad it cant be fixed.
Proof that expected radar picked up...what a mess. It didn't seem to be concern that the radar was known and discussed at radar ground zero before any plane. At least that seems the idea ......working in bombs ...sad ..its script so well. Do they come by religion?
@3:00 thereabouts he says do you follow me. What's he really saying. Very suspicious fascinating stuff
The big lie.