As I read it, when Tom said it couldn't happen again, he was talking specifically about a new Nazi regime arising, with it's ideological underpinnings of survival of the fittest and racism / antisemitism. He wasn't talking about autocracies in general. Taking this narrow viewpoint he may be right, but that's almost no comfort in a world populated by an increasing number of autocrats. They may not be racist but they're still destabilising international affairs..
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you gentlemen. I think that, rightly so, for the last 80 odd years the west has been absolutely terrified of repeating the mistakes that led to the Nazis taking power but the problem is that we now find ourselves in a position where our system has come to what feels like a bit of a dead end. We have so many people disenfranchised, unable to afford a decent living, cannot afford to heat their homes if they can even afford one in the first place, get access to decent education or training which leads to decent paid work, find good health care etc etc. Meanwhile they buy things they can't afford and are relying on credit cards they shouldn't have access to. People now are becoming desperate and politicians are unable to find the answers to the myriad of problems. Let's not deny the fact that our countries and cultures are changing before our eyes due to immigration which in turn is down to wars, famine and global warming - I don't blame people for wanting a better life but can we afford to give them it?. I'm very concerned that we are reaching a tipping point in the west where people are asking what is 'freedom' without money and dignity. To many the freedom on offer is increasingly feeling like an indulgence society might not be able to afford and I do fear that people will gladly sacrifice it if a new kind of deal is offered. What that 'deal' looks like could be quite scary. I pray for the future. We need the return of Jesus to save the world from itself. 🙏✝
HELP. Someone please answer my question about Why Hindenburg did not Fire Hitler for all the violence and chaos Hitler and the Nazi’s were guilty of since Hitler was chosen to be Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Hindenburg fired Von Poppen and Von Schliecher and maybe Brunning-for not performing as Hindenburg wanted them to. Hindenburg had 19 months to fire Hitler before He died, but He refused to do it. WHY?
This series has been wonderful, thankyou. I was born well after WWII ended but remember the impact it had on daily life for many years....but I never did learn the details of how things went so terribly wrong, and enabled the rise of the Nazi party and Adolph Hitler. I am chilled by the stunning parallels between what happened then and what is happening now in the USA, in particular the demonization of "migrants", which is a racist dogwhistle, but most particularly the appalling Supreme Court decision awarding total legal immunity to a sitting president. While that is supposed to only apply to his official acts, the definition of "official" is sufficiently murky as to set the stage for a dictatorship.
I believe that communism is viewed as less odorous of an ideology than Nazism due to its longevity. Communism lasted long enough for it to become an accepted reality of international politics, for western leaders to have summits and meetings and cultural exchanges of dubious sincerity. Nazism came and went in a very short span, and never matured beyond its violent and intense youth. If communism had collapsed after Stalin's death in 1953, we would probably think of it and Nazism in like terms. We never got to see a version of Nazi ideology which, in the absence of its malevolent founders, may have evolved and moderated, as Soviet style communism did under Khrushchev and Chinese communism did under Deng. I dare say, also, that communism likely DID appear much closer to Nazism is the public consciousness of the west in the 1940s - 1970s. We only now see them as different thanks to 1) communism failing and becoming less threatening and 2) gradual moderation of communist regimes over many decades.
Communism was drawn from Marxism i.e. Marxist Leninism or Bolshevism... its main essence is based on workers uniting i.e. the working class which is not exactly a inhumane idea.. where as Nazism is based on race and ethnicity at its core... that is why it was ruled out as a abhorrent regime... the communist party of the soviet union did very bad things as the single party in power.. those things may be representative or a product of the ideology or maybe not, argument is required... so long story short to compare the two ideologies as equally inhumane is a bit of a fantasy.
To be fair, the Communists while authoritarian, and led by Stalin, murderous to personal political enemies. But the ideology itself was never a death cult like Nazism. I mean, any true believing Nazi has particular beliefs that are just not viable without external wars and/or massive civilian murder for absolutely delusional reasons. At least with communist Soviets the killing was for a logical class war that Russian society had sharpened for centuries.
@@cihankartal354Okay but communism has resulted in terrible tragedies and mass death in many places it's been tried to, particularly China and Cambodia. It wasn't only terrible with Stalin in charge, but also pretty much everywhere that it thrived. To clarify: I also don't like seeing the 2 compared as if they're the same thing, as the Nazis motivations are so fucking wretched and I can sympathize with the motivations for communism, but communism has been tried and has resulted in the widespread suffering and deaths of many many innocent people. Horseshoe theory has shown that extremism on the left or right wing is terrible.
You don’t think WWII and the Holocaust had anything to do with the German character? Are you crazy? War was good to Germany with Frederick the Great in 1740’s to the 3 wars for independence in 1862-1870 . Germany took land from the war with Denmark , they took land from the Austrian-Hungarian empire and finally they took Alssse and Lorrain from France in the Franco-German war in 1871. Blood and Iron , that is the German character and German philosophers like Nieschze and Fricht and Hegel would agree. Might I remind you that the Germans murdered 100,000 Herero people ( they wanted their land) in Namibia in 1905 without an Adolph Hitler (Kaiser Whilhelm II). Social Darwinism is also a German philosophy . The German mentality was all about war, aggression and domination of lesser people-including the Jews.
I think you could more accurately sub in "human" for "German". These kinds of campaigns have happened across time and cultures, and the USA is taking a very similar trajectory.
The claim that Nazism is more detestable and ultimately more dangerous to a scoiety because of its ideology of racism and the superiority of the strong over the weak undermines any notions of quantitative proportionality when it comes to war and conflicting idoeologies; since Communism has led to the death of far more people than Nazism. It suggests that all the clunching of pearls at quantitative differences between Israel and Hamas/Palestine, the talk of proportionality, is utterly misplaced. It is the ideology at the heart of Hamas that represents the repugnance and justification - not the quantity of dead - for their current war.
Indeed. In a nutshell, (and I’m not sure who said this first), in the case of Israel and Hamas, it’s the difference between people who protect children with rockets versus the people that protect rockets with children.
Saying that there's no evidence for the Nazis's starting the Reichstag fire is like saying there's no real evidence that Stalin had Kirov assassinated and all that followed after that. Both events were pivotal in solidifying the Nazis's and Stalin firmly in power. You stated that there was no evidence that the Nazis's started the fire yet you gave zero reasons as to how you came to this conclusion. Events like this rarely happen in a vacum although technically its possible. This fire was heaven sent from the Nazis's point of view giving them opportunities that would cement them in power for the next 12 years. I find it hard to believe that a man like Hitler who faked the polish attack on the German radio station in 1939 to give him the reason to go into Poland and start WW 2 wouldn't 6 years earlier conive the Reichstag fire. I still think its more likely the Nazis's planned this than it just happened on its own.
It does map cleanly onto this narrative but if there is evidence one imagines it might have been made public knowledge by now. I'm not saying you're wrong in doubting it, I've certainly felt that way before, but if it's out there, don't you think that that would be a historical fact that wpuld have a massive audience and would become well known pretty quickly? Especially given the massive amount of attention given to the nazi rise to power?
There is evidence that the Nazis faked the Polish attack on the German radio station. But there is NO evidence that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire. I came to this conclusion because there is no evidence that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire. Are you saying there IS evidence that Nazis did that? I wonder if you think that 9/11 was an inside job because it gave the political will to start the war in Iraq.
They stated clearly that the arsonist acted alone, confessed to acting alone, and no evidence to the contrary has ever come to light. What is true is what was stated: that Hitler and friends brilliantly used this event to further their own ends.
Super interesting! Thank you! 🙏
Democracy is the best form of government but is the most fragile form of government.
Wonderful podcast, any chance you guys would come over to Ireland...
Min 49:40- “Do you think it could happen again?.” Yes, absolutely.
As I read it, when Tom said it couldn't happen again, he was talking specifically about a new Nazi regime arising, with it's ideological underpinnings of survival of the fittest and racism / antisemitism. He wasn't talking about autocracies in general. Taking this narrow viewpoint he may be right, but that's almost no comfort in a world populated by an increasing number of autocrats. They may not be racist but they're still destabilising international affairs..
@@slowraceultra Imagine being this delusional.
It IS happening.
The left wing media and governments are now the real enemy.
it IS happening again..Manafort and co in the USA
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you gentlemen. I think that, rightly so, for the last 80 odd years the west has been absolutely terrified of repeating the mistakes that led to the Nazis taking power but the problem is that we now find ourselves in a position where our system has come to what feels like a bit of a dead end. We have so many people disenfranchised, unable to afford a decent living, cannot afford to heat their homes if they can even afford one in the first place, get access to decent education or training which leads to decent paid work, find good health care etc etc. Meanwhile they buy things they can't afford and are relying on credit cards they shouldn't have access to. People now are becoming desperate and politicians are unable to find the answers to the myriad of problems. Let's not deny the fact that our countries and cultures are changing before our eyes due to immigration which in turn is down to wars, famine and global warming - I don't blame people for wanting a better life but can we afford to give them it?. I'm very concerned that we are reaching a tipping point in the west where people are asking what is 'freedom' without money and dignity. To many the freedom on offer is increasingly feeling like an indulgence society might not be able to afford and I do fear that people will gladly sacrifice it if a new kind of deal is offered. What that 'deal' looks like could be quite scary. I pray for the future. We need the return of Jesus to save the world from itself. 🙏✝
Absolutely fascinating and mirrored to lesser extents in populist leaders everywhere today - which is worrying!
Not populists, demagogues.
SO scary in the USA - Trump leading in the polls 😞
Listening less than a week before Trump's inauguration on 1/20. Need I say more?
HELP. Someone please answer my question about Why Hindenburg did not Fire Hitler for all the violence and chaos Hitler and the Nazi’s were guilty of since Hitler was chosen to be Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Hindenburg fired Von Poppen and Von Schliecher and maybe Brunning-for not performing as Hindenburg wanted them to.
Hindenburg had 19 months to fire Hitler before He died, but He refused to do it. WHY?
Economics 😑
This series has been wonderful, thankyou. I was born well after WWII ended but remember the impact it had on daily life for many years....but I never did learn the details of how things went so terribly wrong, and enabled the rise of the Nazi party and Adolph Hitler. I am chilled by the stunning parallels between what happened then and what is happening now in the USA, in particular the demonization of "migrants", which is a racist dogwhistle, but most particularly the appalling Supreme Court decision awarding total legal immunity to a sitting president. While that is supposed to only apply to his official acts, the definition of "official" is sufficiently murky as to set the stage for a dictatorship.
50:52 👀
I believe that communism is viewed as less odorous of an ideology than Nazism due to its longevity. Communism lasted long enough for it to become an accepted reality of international politics, for western leaders to have summits and meetings and cultural exchanges of dubious sincerity. Nazism came and went in a very short span, and never matured beyond its violent and intense youth.
If communism had collapsed after Stalin's death in 1953, we would probably think of it and Nazism in like terms.
We never got to see a version of Nazi ideology which, in the absence of its malevolent founders, may have evolved and moderated, as Soviet style communism did under Khrushchev and Chinese communism did under Deng.
I dare say, also, that communism likely DID appear much closer to Nazism is the public consciousness of the west in the 1940s - 1970s. We only now see them as different thanks to 1) communism failing and becoming less threatening and 2) gradual moderation of communist regimes over many decades.
Communism was drawn from Marxism i.e. Marxist Leninism or Bolshevism... its main essence is based on workers uniting i.e. the working class which is not exactly a inhumane idea.. where as Nazism is based on race and ethnicity at its core... that is why it was ruled out as a abhorrent regime... the communist party of the soviet union did very bad things as the single party in power.. those things may be representative or a product of the ideology or maybe not, argument is required... so long story short to compare the two ideologies as equally inhumane is a bit of a fantasy.
To be fair, the Communists while authoritarian, and led by Stalin, murderous to personal political enemies. But the ideology itself was never a death cult like Nazism. I mean, any true believing Nazi has particular beliefs that are just not viable without external wars and/or massive civilian murder for absolutely delusional reasons. At least with communist Soviets the killing was for a logical class war that Russian society had sharpened for centuries.
@@cihankartal354Okay but communism has resulted in terrible tragedies and mass death in many places it's been tried to, particularly China and Cambodia. It wasn't only terrible with Stalin in charge, but also pretty much everywhere that it thrived.
To clarify: I also don't like seeing the 2 compared as if they're the same thing, as the Nazis motivations are so fucking wretched and I can sympathize with the motivations for communism, but communism has been tried and has resulted in the widespread suffering and deaths of many many innocent people. Horseshoe theory has shown that extremism on the left or right wing is terrible.
@@jaronneutronix3231Capitalism has killed many many many more people
Given the pop you take at Timothy Snyder in this episode, would love to see him invited on the show to respond. I double dare ya!
Well said! Timothy Snyder's the man!
In the UK we are going down the same road now
Horrible title. Here's an alternative, "The Nazis: Total Wankers". That's much better.
Wow, never heard of the boer war, its rabbit hole time
You don’t think WWII and the Holocaust had anything to do with the German character? Are you crazy? War was good to Germany with Frederick the Great in 1740’s to the 3 wars for independence in 1862-1870 . Germany took land from the war with Denmark , they took land from the Austrian-Hungarian empire and finally they took Alssse and Lorrain from France in the Franco-German war in 1871. Blood and Iron , that is the German character and German philosophers like Nieschze and Fricht and Hegel would agree. Might I remind you that the Germans murdered 100,000 Herero people ( they wanted their land) in Namibia in 1905 without an Adolph Hitler (Kaiser Whilhelm II). Social Darwinism is also a German philosophy . The German mentality was all about war, aggression and domination of lesser people-including the Jews.
I think you could more accurately sub in "human" for "German". These kinds of campaigns have happened across time and cultures, and the USA is taking a very similar trajectory.
The claim that Nazism is more detestable and ultimately more dangerous to a scoiety because of its ideology of racism and the superiority of the strong over the weak undermines any notions of quantitative proportionality when it comes to war and conflicting idoeologies; since Communism has led to the death of far more people than Nazism.
It suggests that all the clunching of pearls at quantitative differences between Israel and Hamas/Palestine, the talk of proportionality, is utterly misplaced. It is the ideology at the heart of Hamas that represents the repugnance and justification - not the quantity of dead - for their current war.
No!
Indeed. In a nutshell, (and I’m not sure who said this first), in the case of Israel and Hamas, it’s the difference between people who protect children with rockets versus the people that protect rockets with children.
Saying that there's no evidence for the Nazis's starting the Reichstag fire is like saying there's no real evidence that Stalin had Kirov assassinated and all that followed after that. Both events were pivotal in solidifying the Nazis's and Stalin firmly in power. You stated that there was no evidence that the Nazis's started the fire yet you gave zero reasons as to how you came to this conclusion. Events like this rarely happen in a vacum although technically its possible. This fire was heaven sent from the Nazis's point of view giving them opportunities that would cement them in power for the next 12 years. I find it hard to believe that a man like Hitler who faked the polish attack on the German radio station in 1939 to give him the reason to go into Poland and start WW 2 wouldn't 6 years earlier conive the Reichstag fire. I still think its more likely the Nazis's planned this than it just happened on its own.
It does map cleanly onto this narrative but if there is evidence one imagines it might have been made public knowledge by now. I'm not saying you're wrong in doubting it, I've certainly felt that way before, but if it's out there, don't you think that that would be a historical fact that wpuld have a massive audience and would become well known pretty quickly? Especially given the massive amount of attention given to the nazi rise to power?
There is evidence that the Nazis faked the Polish attack on the German radio station. But there is NO evidence that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire. I came to this conclusion because there is no evidence that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire. Are you saying there IS evidence that Nazis did that? I wonder if you think that 9/11 was an inside job because it gave the political will to start the war in Iraq.
They stated clearly that the arsonist acted alone, confessed to acting alone, and no evidence to the contrary has ever come to light. What is true is what was stated: that Hitler and friends brilliantly used this event to further their own ends.
Eloquently stated bull sheet
Can you support that statement?
@@Westernwilson Yes -- easily