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FWIW, when using screws in softer wood like this, save your sanity and glue a piece of hardwood dowel where you want your screw to go, then drill a pilot hole. The screw will go in easily and won't strip out the screw holes or even pull out down the road. The same tip works well for fixing stripped door hinge holes.
In Aus we call this light weight furniture board. Fit out my motor home with it including the sub floor. Love it. Light and strong. Downside…. the surface is soft and can be easily marked/dented.
I bought this plywood to replace carpet in my office and they are beautiful wide planks. The color is a bit too light for me what can I do to give it a more beach house wood floor look still staying on the light side? Will a sealer bring out more depth?
Premcore 3/4" birch is excellent and consistent cabinet grade wood. It's more expensive than other brands of pre-finish ply or unfinished cabinet grade ply but it's always worth it to me. Doesn't replace baltic for certain things though. Baltic has a much thicker top sheet and for applications like box/dove jointed drawers boxes or certain kinds of furniture baltic is a much better choice and I would dissuade anyone from using Premcore to replace it. Again, excellent cabinet material though.
How thick are the face veneers? What are the core veneers made from? What thicknesses are available? Where is it manufactured? What is the cost per square foot compared to BB and other birch plywoods? Not sure it's such a great product. It's lightweight? Oh, ok.
@3:26 One thing that can help with screws is use that clutch on your drill. I never used to use mine until hilariously... I watched MythBusters and how they quickly assembled projects, and that was a key to getting things together fast.
looking to do pantry shelving four-foot lengths Would this be strong enough as far as the sag element is concerned/ If not which would be the best product to use and do you have any tricks to maintain the rigidity factor, for the shelves that are?
Greetings from the One Handed Maker - Australia. Thanks for sharing your video and talent. That is impressive I have subscribed and will go over some of your other videos. James
Used to be we could only get 5x5 Baltic B, but in NY for well over 10yrs 4x8 & 8x4 (grain goes other way) have been available. Glad to be free of the funky size restriction.
I really like your videos. I wish you had shared more information on the drawer trim and hardware you used for this build. It looks great. I' all the way over on the East Coast in Virginia Beach, VA. I' hoping to find a supplier for this plywood.
I'm about to use it on some shop-grade cabinetry; I'll likely paint it as the finish side is aching for primer and a fine BM or equivalent application. Thanks for the upload.
I think if you are doing a traditional face frame cabs in a harder material, this would be perfect for cabs. For a modern frameless/full overlay style where this would be exposed, I think it is too soft. Also I would use something harder for the shelves and bottoms as they get a lot of wear.
Applyply is an excellent option that WS should look into! My dad's shop in Seattle has used it instead of Baltic for years, it's a phenomenal product. It's a 1-to-1 replacement, super high quality veneers, flat and void-free.
Another baltic birch (or high ply plywood) that my local supplier has started selling is eucalyptus. It comes in the same high ply count as baltic birch and looks similar is color. Ps. Nice Bronco. I’ve had one on order since aug of 2020 (due to backordered parts). Hopefully I’ll get it soon.
@@WoodworkersSourcecom Reach out to Nashville Plywood Co and ask where they get theirs. I’m sure they would be willing to share their source. All I know is that the stuff they sell is made here in the states.
There have been issues with allergic reactions to eucalyptus plywood. The channel A Glimpse Inside mentions and he had to find a different plywood to use.
I had a super hard time getting this product in Canada because they will only take an order from lumber store chains or box stores that have an account with Richelieu (huge conglomerate) and none of them sell it. I finally got the distributor in the Toronto area to area to sell it to my local lumber yard but I had to drive four hours each way to pick it up. Normally they will not sell less than a "lift" which is 48 sheets. Luckily they had a broken lift and agreed to sell me 15 sheets. It is amazingly light (57 lbs vs 84 Lbs for premium 13 ply baltic birch) and that is what I was looking for. I do like it but be warned that compared to 13 ply premium baltic birch it has a lot more voids.
I've had mixed results with this stuff. It almost always smells like dead fish from being on the boat from Asia, but that dissipates fairly quickly. I've had some issues with the layers delaminating on a couple of sheets, too. I haven't bought any 1/4", but the stuff at the lumber warehouse looked very lumpy all throughout. Probably wouldn't paint very well at all (just the 1/4").
The thing that made Baltic Birch so popular was that it actually looked fantastic on the ends. You can laminate multiple sheets together, sand the edges flat, and finish it for some beautiful pieces. So much so that people use it to build intricate projects "sideways" so that there is the plywood edge on the large faces of the project, from tables to speakers boxes, computer cases, etc. I've actually seen edge banding that looks like the ends of Baltic Birch. Great as this may be for rigidity, it looks absolutely awful on the sides, so definitely consider whether you can cover that up before using it.
Is that a 4-door Bronco those drawers are going in? I was looking online and found your video specifically because I have a 4-door Bronco on order and would love to build some drawers fro the back. The wood looks like a great alternative as, like you said, Baltic Birch is tough to find and is crazy expensive. Do you have plans for these drawers available along with the wood?
I used Premcore to build my Paulk workbench too. Seemed like decent plywood - very little voids and nice face but it is very thin like most plywoods. It does smell a bit funny when cuttingit. Definitely better than big box plywood and other Chinese imports which have large voids and some delamination.
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Depending on the project Premcore can be a poor substitute for Baltic Birch. I've used it for several projects and while yes, the veneer surface looks very nice, it is also very, very thin. Thinner even than the birch veneer plywood at Home Depot. It take very little sanding to go through the veneer into the substrate so you have to be careful. The core is also pretty inferior, very low density (not a lot for fasteners to grip into) with huge voids and delaminations. Also, unlike Baltic Birch, the cut edge looks terrible and is fairly fragile. I'd say that yes, Precore will be okay for casework if used carefully but not for anything that needs additional strength like drawers, shelves and shop jigs. And while it's a bit cheaper than Baltic Birch, I wouldn't call is a 'budget' product.
I was literally thinking the exact same thing as I watched the video. The vaneer looks terribly thin. Which is why I don’t like regular cabinet grade Home Depot plywood. Thin vaneers are not ideal and the main reasons I would use Baltic birch is particularly because the vaneer is thick and the core is heavy and solid. I guess, honestly, I don’t exactly see the point of this plywood.
I believe this is what Ron Paulk uses for his portable workbenches, I built mine out of baltic birch though since I don't need to move them and the weight is useful for workbenches
Yes I remember seeing his video about it 2 years ago, th-cam.com/video/CJk6bvvyNN0/w-d-xo.html At the time few places sold it. Glad to it’s available here
Any idea about the source of what you are buying there? That seems to be Russian birch logs peeled in Vietnam or imported veneer over core material from Asia... This should also matter
About 20% of my order was unusable due to delamination (1/2" premcore). Not just little patches here and there, a square foot or so across two pieces (from a test order of 6 1x4 foot pieces) as well as several smaller areas, mostly on those two. The surface finish is lovely, but I can't afford that kind of waste - or risk hidden defects of that size.
for decades in western canada we just dropped or pushed over the large birch trees as the western sawmills only had equipment and markets for softwoods like pine, spruce and fir. by the time anyone reached such beautiful logs of birch they where rotting and just used for fire wood. and when we tree planted in BC, they actually removed birch and aspen new tree growth with even herbicides. it was like someone in Canadas capital 's was micro managing the resources, and wanting mono plantains of pine out west, and hardwood plantains out east. where as sadly hardwoods at certain times of the year can act as fire breaks and reduce the size of forest fires. instead we planted the very flamable trees with high levels of turpentine.
Ha! OMG! I clicked the video wondering, "is he gonna talk about Premcore?" My dealer's been supplying it for a while, certainly before the Russo-Ukraine war. Anyways... yup, its great.
9/32" Baltic Birch is 'exactly' twice the weight of 'normal' 9/32" (5/8") plywood. Baltic Birch is used where 'no voids' is essential - that is: where the interior is more important than the exterior. The exterior does look nice also. But BB is solid and can be structural and strong with screws. I wonder how this 'new' product can be Birch plywood when it is also soft. Impressive, but negatively so for serious applications.
Too many voids and too few plys. Can't replace Baltic Birch for joinery, furniture, jigs and shop fixtures. Although it does seem to be a step above common plywood in the States.
I've notice that you need real good ventilation with this. It's pretty bad to breath. Had to vent the shop every time we did cuts. Project looks nice, just don't like the dust.
SADLY, too many woodworkers and hobbyists are slowly getting damaged by wood dust without even noticing it until it is too late... Most dust collection systems allow the most dangerous too-small particles to freely pass and be suspended in the air, and most workers simply do not use good enough masks.
Seems to be about half way between construction plywood and BB. Why? You can plainly see voids in it and the panel does not seem to have any more plys than construction plywood, BB has more but thinner plys and no voids.
In my humble opinion, it's overpriced big box store plywood. On one panel I had a half-dollar-sized void in the first layer under the face veneer. Was a bit frustrating to discover after glue up during final sanding. Aside from the price being more than the home improvement store stuff, the several times I've tried using this it was essentially the same thing.
@@thorshuatus What is the name of the dealer? Do they have a website? I am still very skeptical of this. I have seen higher quality than normal plywoods that mimic Baltic birch in 4x8 sheets, but I haven't seen any actual Baltic birch that wasn't 5x5. The quality is closer than normal but still not the same. I would be delighted to learn otherwise, but so far everyone just claims they have a source but don't state the source.
Given Baltic Burch’s appeal, why is it we can’t get a match for this made in The US? BB has more plies and a thicker outer ply. It is good but just regret we can’t make a match for this
Looks great but it’s not widely available. I contacted the manufacturers but they lost interest when I told them I was a hobbyist and not a distributor .
This is kind of the mid-point between legit BB ply and the cheap Big Box sanded pine ply. Which makes it perfect for some things, but not a true replacement for BB in all cases. BB ply will always be stronger due to all those plies of legit hardwood birch.
As always another great video and I'm willing to bet you just saved me a ton of headache worrying about my next big shelving project weight and cost! Thank you again for the great video!
Looks to have decent veneer thickness on the face side. I've used some birch ply that the face ply was so thin you couldn't sand it with 240 grit without breaking through the super-thin veneer.
I thought that at first, but I think it actually is super thin and you can't really even see the veneer. Like 1/64th thin. I could be wrong, but there are no specifics on the website, hard to know.
ddon't think so, not with the exact same core as far as I understand it. But there are a few different types of a "regular" (whattever that might mean lol) veneer core birch available
Looks like the outer veneers are paper thin. At first glance it looks like a 7 layer plywood with thick outer veneers, but upon looking hard at the closeups, it seems that these are 9 layer plywood with outer veneers so thin you can hardly see the edge.
I would say no. MDF will pretty much always perform better than low ply plywood like this, but on the other hand, it's low density might work well if combined with a heavy dampening material like NoRez or lead sheet. On it's own though, this stuff will be mostly transparent to sound and require alot of bracing just to prevent panels from acting like passive radiators.
Depends on the frequency. Ive seen a tech sheet on it and specifying mdf as an absolute for cabinets is a mistake. Mid range and mid bass, okay, go with mdf whenever possible. However for low bass its not as critical, witness pro sound industry has always used baltic birch for bass cabinets. It really depends on how your application dictates priorities. Home speakers arent subject to moving abuse or moisture, Id use mdf every time. However for a car subwoofer box especially if its gonna get taken out sometimes Id go with plywood, heavily braced, you can brace it with angle iron to take less internal volume. if you think lack of density or resonance will be an issue you can spray the inside with auto undercoating, or apply dynamat and/or roll modeling clay into the corner joints and apply pl or sikaflex to prevent migration. (Modeling clay is amazing stuff for dampening steel in cars its cheap and doesnt take a lot) I hate using mdf for automotive applications, the benefits of resonance reduction dont outweigh whats gonna happen to it with moisture or impact. If I was building the ultimate home theatre nothing beats a plywood or mdf sandwich with sand in between. Silica sand is preferred. What it does is provide decoupling of any mechanical vibration from the driver to the environment so theres just pure air movement. No rattling or buzzing, which your brain would use to locate the audio source. High end installers see the same results with concrete.
@@joshua43214 yeah youd want to avoid panel flex Ive had good success with fiberglass epoxy resin waterproofs the cabinet too and makes the panels hard as a rock.
Just yesterday, I saw some 3/4" cabinet grade plywood at Home Depot for $70. I glanced at it but the price was odd to me. So it may be a similar product to this stuff.
Y'all are selling less than a full sheet, pre-cut into sections that would be unusable for me, for $114? Seems like two obvious lies in your presentation starting at 4:46. it isn't a lot cheaper, quite the opposite. It is currently $95/sheet for 3/4" 4'x8' baltic birch plywood from my local wood store here in New Mexico.
@@bryancannon631 when you say baltic birch and its higher ply count is that what is also called marine grade? That was always my understanding was that marine grade meant more plies please correct me if Im wrong. Too much shitty plywood out there tired of confusion when buying it.
The tops on the latest B&D Workmate-1000 are made from three ply bamboo... Very tough and rigid, but cupped and not flat at all. Probably, bamboo ply needs to be fabricated with more than just three plies and thinner ones, and carefully dried and better glued.
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You said that so fast. What is the name of it? And where can I find it?
@@jonlanier_ It's right in his notes.
FWIW, when using screws in softer wood like this, save your sanity and glue a piece of hardwood dowel where you want your screw to go, then drill a pilot hole. The screw will go in easily and won't strip out the screw holes or even pull out down the road. The same tip works well for fixing stripped door hinge holes.
In Aus we call this light weight furniture board. Fit out my motor home with it including the sub floor. Love it. Light and strong. Downside…. the surface is soft and can be easily marked/dented.
I bought this plywood to replace carpet in my office and they are beautiful wide planks. The color is a bit too light for me what can I do to give it a more beach house wood floor look still staying on the light side? Will a sealer bring out more depth?
Premcore 3/4" birch is excellent and consistent cabinet grade wood. It's more expensive than other brands of pre-finish ply or unfinished cabinet grade ply but it's always worth it to me. Doesn't replace baltic for certain things though. Baltic has a much thicker top sheet and for applications like box/dove jointed drawers boxes or certain kinds of furniture baltic is a much better choice and I would dissuade anyone from using Premcore to replace it. Again, excellent cabinet material though.
@@CSgtFaol yeah weird must have been defect from local storage environment.
what do u feel about sandeply? vs birch?
How strong is it compared to other plywood? Will it bear as much weight, say, for a workbench?
Thanks much.
Is that poplar core?
How thick are the face veneers? What are the core veneers made from? What thicknesses are available? Where is it manufactured? What is the cost per square foot compared to BB and other birch plywoods?
Not sure it's such a great product.
It's lightweight? Oh, ok.
Looks like theres a shiny side? Or both sides shiny? Can you paint or waterproof the shiny side or will it bubble up?
The material in the vid is prefinished which makes it shiny. It also comes unfinished or raw
how do you get full 4x8 in Oregon?
Well done!! Mark!
@3:26 One thing that can help with screws is use that clutch on your drill. I never used to use mine until hilariously... I watched MythBusters and how they quickly assembled projects, and that was a key to getting things together fast.
Yeah man, seems goofy till you're in a hurry
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looking to do pantry shelving four-foot lengths Would this be strong enough as far as the sag element is concerned/ If not which would be the best product to use and do you have any tricks to maintain the rigidity factor, for the shelves that are?
baltic birch has 13 or 14 ply and looks very fantastic when you do euro style edges and apply "GOOD STUFF" you cant do that with 7 ply .
Thanks for the introduction, perfect timing I currently building out a camper van.
Exactly what I've been looking for! Ready to make a modular series of Ron Paulk style benches for on site work.
Greetings from the One Handed Maker - Australia.
Thanks for sharing your video and talent.
That is impressive
I have subscribed and will go over some of your other videos.
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what is the name of that plywood? I don't hear as well as I use too.
Always great videos!
Used to be we could only get 5x5 Baltic B, but in NY for well over 10yrs 4x8 & 8x4 (grain goes other way) have been available. Glad to be free of the funky size restriction.
What the core made out of ? Oregon made some plywood 30 years ago and it buckled bad in moisture environment
Nice... I too have a Bronco! like your built-ins you're adding in yours.
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I really like your videos. I wish you had shared more information on the drawer trim and hardware you used for this build. It looks great. I' all the way over on the East Coast in Virginia Beach, VA. I' hoping to find a supplier for this plywood.
I'm about to use it on some shop-grade cabinetry; I'll likely paint it as the finish side is aching for primer and a fine BM or equivalent application. Thanks for the upload.
Hi Mark,do you know if they sell this ply in Canada?If yes what hardwear store would carry it? thanks
Would you go with this if you were going to build cabinets or vanities or would you stick with baltic birch or regular birch instead?
I think if you are doing a traditional face frame cabs in a harder material, this would be perfect for cabs. For a modern frameless/full overlay style where this would be exposed, I think it is too soft. Also I would use something harder for the shelves and bottoms as they get a lot of wear.
Semi-off topic, but what brand of apron are you wearing?
Do you carry 3mm of this I didn't see it on the site? If so how well does it laser cut?
Ufortuntately not available in 3mm.
I'm not seeing 4x8 on your site. Closest is 2x8?
Yeah, a 4x8 can't bbe shipped in small quantities (reasonably....) so on the site you'll see some cut sizes that work for small package home delivery.
@@WoodworkersSourcecom What would you define as a minimum quantity? 10 sheets? 25?
Are there exterior grade versions of this available?
Applyply is an excellent option that WS should look into! My dad's shop in Seattle has used it instead of Baltic for years, it's a phenomenal product. It's a 1-to-1 replacement, super high quality veneers, flat and void-free.
That's what my research shows, as well. We woodworkers in the NE find it scarce and expensive however. Makes sense since it's produced in the PNW.
Appleply is impossible to find on the east coast. Even suppliers tell me that
@@ajm5636 Woodworker's Source is based in AZ, should be possible for them to get it.
@@ajm5636 Supposedly Würth Baer Supply in Providence, RI has it. I have not gone there as it is still a hike for me.
Thanks for the video Mark. I also like that you have a garage workshop just like some of us mere mortals and not some fancy large woodshop.
like the video, thank for not playing obnoxious music and yelling like some do.
yes to this (always)
Another baltic birch (or high ply plywood) that my local supplier has started selling is eucalyptus. It comes in the same high ply count as baltic birch and looks similar is color.
Ps. Nice Bronco. I’ve had one on order since aug of 2020 (due to backordered parts). Hopefully I’ll get it soon.
Been looking for the source for eucalyptus, no luck yet 😕.
@@WoodworkersSourcecom Reach out to Nashville Plywood Co and ask where they get theirs. I’m sure they would be willing to share their source. All I know is that the stuff they sell is made here in the states.
There have been issues with allergic reactions to eucalyptus plywood. The channel A Glimpse Inside mentions and he had to find a different plywood to use.
BTW, like you, the Bronco was a long time in waiting since May 2020. Just arrived. I'm sure you'll love it, great on the trails and good vibes!
A glimpse inside was using eucalyptus to make his tool holders on the cnc that he sells,seems to be really nice plywood
3:22 Um, or you could use the clutch built into your drill, that's what it's there for.
FYI: Baltic Birch plywood is available in 4 x 8 as well as the usual 5 x 5. My supplier carries both- I have used both.
Who
Who is your supplier?
I had a super hard time getting this product in Canada because they will only take an order from lumber store chains or box stores that have an account with Richelieu (huge conglomerate) and none of them sell it. I finally got the distributor in the Toronto area to area to sell it to my local lumber yard but I had to drive four hours each way to pick it up. Normally they will not sell less than a "lift" which is 48 sheets. Luckily they had a broken lift and agreed to sell me 15 sheets. It is amazingly light (57 lbs vs 84 Lbs for premium 13 ply baltic birch) and that is what I was looking for. I do like it but be warned that compared to 13 ply premium baltic birch it has a lot more voids.
Anyone try using paint or stain on the prefinished sides?
What's that tool you used for spreading glue on the plywood edge?
ooh! Nice catch! That's a silicone glue brush. Super handy!
Ok the handles on the drawers? Your store? Amazon? Where might we find those?
👍 Amazon. Look for spring loaded speaker box handles
Having trouble finding this product. Not ordering online...
I've had mixed results with this stuff. It almost always smells like dead fish from being on the boat from Asia, but that dissipates fairly quickly. I've had some issues with the layers delaminating on a couple of sheets, too. I haven't bought any 1/4", but the stuff at the lumber warehouse looked very lumpy all throughout. Probably wouldn't paint very well at all (just the 1/4").
I can't find full sheets on your website.
Mark
Does your firm sell colored MDF?
We have white MDF 3mm. What color and thickness do you need?
Is this available at the big box stores or a specialty wood store?
😎you gotta hit up a speciaty wood store, preferably a super friendly one like Woodworkers Source
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Yeah, but all you have is scrap piece size.
No 4x8 sheets . . . at least not listed online.
Dado buried into sacificial is a great idea for fine tuning.
I love that part of video too
Ron Paulk started using sone kind of lightweight Baltic replacement for his benches. Perhaps it’s the same stuff?
Thanks for sharing! I will keep an eye out for it.
The thing that made Baltic Birch so popular was that it actually looked fantastic on the ends. You can laminate multiple sheets together, sand the edges flat, and finish it for some beautiful pieces. So much so that people use it to build intricate projects "sideways" so that there is the plywood edge on the large faces of the project, from tables to speakers boxes, computer cases, etc. I've actually seen edge banding that looks like the ends of Baltic Birch. Great as this may be for rigidity, it looks absolutely awful on the sides, so definitely consider whether you can cover that up before using it.
Is that a 4-door Bronco those drawers are going in? I was looking online and found your video specifically because I have a 4-door Bronco on order and would love to build some drawers fro the back. The wood looks like a great alternative as, like you said, Baltic Birch is tough to find and is crazy expensive. Do you have plans for these drawers available along with the wood?
I used Premcore to build my Paulk workbench too. Seemed like decent plywood - very little voids and nice face but it is very thin like most plywoods. It does smell a bit funny when cuttingit. Definitely better than big box plywood and other Chinese imports which have large voids and some delamination.
did I?
I don’t see 3/4 inch 4x8 sheets on the site.
Just came here to quickly mention that your videos turned me on to your shops in AZ. Great looking operation! Just placed an order for some 4/4 Cherry and was really happy with the price. More importantly you had very reasonable shipping rates. I appreciate that since I’m in Texas and will usually have to order for delivery.
I will be in AZ in a few weeks for a custom table build, and I do plan on swinging by and checking out the shop.
Quick question, which of your shops is most closely located to San Tan Valley?
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Just in time. I need a sled for my Delta 36-725T2 table saw. I have been putting it off because of the weight. Thanks for the info. I'm in Phoenix too so this week end I'm heading to your store on north Black Canyon. I like that store. Everything I ever want and great people.
If you laminate it, it may hold up. Premcore is soft.
not as may plies as Baltic Birch, do you know how that long term stability is?
Well I guess what I am asking is what are your thoughts on long term stability
Depending on the project Premcore can be a poor substitute for Baltic Birch. I've used it for several projects and while yes, the veneer surface looks very nice, it is also very, very thin. Thinner even than the birch veneer plywood at Home Depot. It take very little sanding to go through the veneer into the substrate so you have to be careful. The core is also pretty inferior, very low density (not a lot for fasteners to grip into) with huge voids and delaminations. Also, unlike Baltic Birch, the cut edge looks terrible and is fairly fragile. I'd say that yes, Precore will be okay for casework if used carefully but not for anything that needs additional strength like drawers, shelves and shop jigs. And while it's a bit cheaper than Baltic Birch, I wouldn't call is a 'budget' product.
I was literally thinking the exact same thing as I watched the video. The vaneer looks terribly thin. Which is why I don’t like regular cabinet grade Home Depot plywood. Thin vaneers are not ideal and the main reasons I would use Baltic birch is particularly because the vaneer is thick and the core is heavy and solid. I guess, honestly, I don’t exactly see the point of this plywood.
I was wondering how a product that's 'almost" 3/4" can be so much lighter!
Looks similar to purebond, that stuffs somehow warps like crazy.
I believe this is what Ron Paulk uses for his portable workbenches, I built mine out of baltic birch though since I don't need to move them and the weight is useful for workbenches
Yes I remember seeing his video about it 2 years ago, th-cam.com/video/CJk6bvvyNN0/w-d-xo.html At the time few places sold it. Glad to it’s available here
This is 100% what he uses! Love they are carrying it now!
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Any idea about the source of what you are buying there? That seems to be Russian birch logs peeled in Vietnam or imported veneer over core material from Asia... This should also matter
B.c. Fir it’s a little bit heavier but stronger.
I would trade my children to get 10 sheets of this stuff. NOBODY Has this stuff in the Midwest.
Didn't know about this stuff I'd love to test it out on my next project- cabinets for shipping container house build, 40% less # = GREAT
About 20% of my order was unusable due to delamination (1/2" premcore). Not just little patches here and there, a square foot or so across two pieces (from a test order of 6 1x4 foot pieces) as well as several smaller areas, mostly on those two. The surface finish is lovely, but I can't afford that kind of waste - or risk hidden defects of that size.
I would be interested if there was a store in So Utah
We've got a division in SLC (MacBeath Hardwood Co.), obviously it's not So Utah but, hey! it's a bit closer 👍
for decades in western canada we just dropped or pushed over the large birch trees as the western sawmills only had equipment and markets for softwoods like pine, spruce and fir. by the time anyone reached such beautiful logs of birch they where rotting and just used for fire wood. and when we tree planted in BC, they actually removed birch and aspen new tree growth with even herbicides. it was like someone in Canadas capital 's was micro managing the resources, and wanting mono plantains of pine out west, and hardwood plantains out east. where as sadly hardwoods at certain times of the year can act as fire breaks and reduce the size of forest fires. instead we planted the very flamable trees with high levels of turpentine.
Ha! OMG! I clicked the video wondering, "is he gonna talk about Premcore?" My dealer's been supplying it for a while, certainly before the Russo-Ukraine war. Anyways... yup, its great.
9/32" Baltic Birch is 'exactly' twice the weight of 'normal' 9/32" (5/8") plywood. Baltic Birch is used where 'no voids' is essential - that is: where the interior is more important than the exterior. The exterior does look nice also. But BB is solid and can be structural and strong with screws. I wonder how this 'new' product can be Birch plywood when it is also soft. Impressive, but negatively so for serious applications.
Thanks
Too many voids and too few plys. Can't replace Baltic Birch for joinery, furniture, jigs and shop fixtures. Although it does seem to be a step above common plywood in the States.
I've notice that you need real good ventilation with this. It's pretty bad to breath. Had to vent the shop every time we did cuts. Project looks nice, just don't like the dust.
breathe vs breath
SADLY, too many woodworkers and hobbyists are slowly getting damaged by wood dust without even noticing it until it is too late... Most dust collection systems allow the most dangerous too-small particles to freely pass and be suspended in the air, and most workers simply do not use good enough masks.
Seems to be about half way between construction plywood and BB. Why? You can plainly see voids in it and the panel does not seem to have any more plys than construction plywood, BB has more but thinner plys and no voids.
In my humble opinion, it's overpriced big box store plywood. On one panel I had a half-dollar-sized void in the first layer under the face veneer. Was a bit frustrating to discover after glue up during final sanding. Aside from the price being more than the home improvement store stuff, the several times I've tried using this it was essentially the same thing.
I thought Baltic Birch was light. This is good to know. I have some RV things that I may replace.
This stuff is $150 for 84" x 20" x2. Baltic birch 4x8 is 139 by me. This is not a better product or an alternative
Where do you get 4x8 Baltic Birch? I've only ever found it as 5x5.
@intjonmiller illinois. Hard to find now. And expensive
@@MikeTheSith200so….. hard to find, but a good alternative. Got it. Never heard of 4x8 because it’s not a thing. Imperial vs metric. Science.
I buy Baltic Birch 4' x 8' sheets for my projects & have a local dealer. They cost me $161 after taxes. 😢
@@thorshuatus What is the name of the dealer? Do they have a website? I am still very skeptical of this. I have seen higher quality than normal plywoods that mimic Baltic birch in 4x8 sheets, but I haven't seen any actual Baltic birch that wasn't 5x5. The quality is closer than normal but still not the same. I would be delighted to learn otherwise, but so far everyone just claims they have a source but don't state the source.
Given Baltic Burch’s appeal, why is it we can’t get a match for this made in The US? BB has more plies and a thicker outer ply. It is good but just regret we can’t make a match for this
Looks great but it’s not widely available. I contacted the manufacturers but they lost interest when I told them I was a hobbyist and not a distributor .
We carry it for hobbyists 👍👍
Well, I was planning on hitting Woodworker’s source this weekend. I’ll have to check it out.
Not available to ship I see.
I hope those werent sheetrock screws holding your pulls on???
This is kind of the mid-point between legit BB ply and the cheap Big Box sanded pine ply. Which makes it perfect for some things, but not a true replacement for BB in all cases. BB ply will always be stronger due to all those plies of legit hardwood birch.
As always another great video and I'm willing to bet you just saved me a ton of headache worrying about my next big shelving project weight and cost! Thank you again for the great video!
Great to hear!
Looks to have decent veneer thickness on the face side. I've used some birch ply that the face ply was so thin you couldn't sand it with 240 grit without breaking through the super-thin veneer.
I thought that at first, but I think it actually is super thin and you can't really even see the veneer. Like 1/64th thin. I could be wrong, but there are no specifics on the website, hard to know.
Does this white birch plywood come in 1/8" sheets by chance?
ddon't think so, not with the exact same core as far as I understand it. But there are a few different types of a "regular" (whattever that might mean lol) veneer core birch available
From the beginning I was thinking this sounded like a commercial. Sure enough!
Looks like the outer veneers are paper thin. At first glance it looks like a 7 layer plywood with thick outer veneers, but upon looking hard at the closeups, it seems that these are 9 layer plywood with outer veneers so thin you can hardly see the edge.
It's just standard plywood with birch veneer. So, no it's not a replacement for Baltic Birch which is almost like solid hardwood.
Hmm, I wonder if anyone has tried using this stuff for speaker cabinets.
I would say no.
MDF will pretty much always perform better than low ply plywood like this, but on the other hand, it's low density might work well if combined with a heavy dampening material like NoRez or lead sheet.
On it's own though, this stuff will be mostly transparent to sound and require alot of bracing just to prevent panels from acting like passive radiators.
Depends on the frequency. Ive seen a tech sheet on it and specifying mdf as an absolute for cabinets is a mistake. Mid range and mid bass, okay, go with mdf whenever possible. However for low bass its not as critical, witness pro sound industry has always used baltic birch for bass cabinets.
It really depends on how your application dictates priorities. Home speakers arent subject to moving abuse or moisture, Id use mdf every time. However for a car subwoofer box especially if its gonna get taken out sometimes Id go with plywood, heavily braced, you can brace it with angle iron to take less internal volume. if you think lack of density or resonance will be an issue you can spray the inside with auto undercoating, or apply dynamat and/or roll modeling clay into the corner joints and apply pl or sikaflex to prevent migration. (Modeling clay is amazing stuff for dampening steel in cars its cheap and doesnt take a lot)
I hate using mdf for automotive applications, the benefits of resonance reduction dont outweigh whats gonna happen to it with moisture or impact.
If I was building the ultimate home theatre nothing beats a plywood or mdf sandwich with sand in between. Silica sand is preferred. What it does is provide decoupling of any mechanical vibration from the driver to the environment so theres just pure air movement. No rattling or buzzing, which your brain would use to locate the audio source. High end installers see the same results with concrete.
@@joshua43214 yeah youd want to avoid panel flex Ive had good success with fiberglass epoxy resin waterproofs the cabinet too and makes the panels hard as a rock.
Hey nice last name Mark 😉
Sounds like a good product to try. However, it is not available in South Texas so I will have to stay with Russian birch sheet goods.
Just yesterday, I saw some 3/4" cabinet grade plywood at Home Depot for $70. I glanced at it but the price was odd to me. So it may be a similar product to this stuff.
I like 5x5 sheets of Russian birch. It's gone from $23 a sheet in Trumps America to $58 a sheet now.
FJB
Tell me this isn't the 10th planet Jiu Jitsu guy
That is the same stuff Ron Paulk uses I think.
Y'all are selling less than a full sheet, pre-cut into sections that would be unusable for me, for $114? Seems like two obvious lies in your presentation starting at 4:46. it isn't a lot cheaper, quite the opposite. It is currently $95/sheet for 3/4" 4'x8' baltic birch plywood from my local wood store here in New Mexico.
4' x 8' x 3/4" Baltic Birch is $196 in my area - North Jersey
@@SRG216 Holy cow!
Is that 7 ply or 13 ply. If it's 7 ply it's not baltic birch. I don't care what HD or Lowes puts on the tag. It's just birch plywood
@@SRG216 I just paid $160 per sheet in my area. 😫
@@bryancannon631 when you say baltic birch and its higher ply count is that what is also called marine grade? That was always my understanding was that marine grade meant more plies please correct me if Im wrong. Too much shitty plywood out there tired of confusion when buying it.
Hmmm, looks kinda familiar...
I keep waiting for 4x8 sheets of bamboo ply to be marketed. I guess it's so heavy it would sink the ship, so will probably never happen.
Intriguing... 🤔🤔
The tops on the latest B&D Workmate-1000 are made from three ply bamboo... Very tough and rigid, but cupped and not flat at all.
Probably, bamboo ply needs to be fabricated with more than just three plies and thinner ones, and carefully dried and better glued.
Soon as I see ya pull out the Domino - I'm out.