Offroad CO2 Tank Comparison Guide! Powertank/Smittybilt/Poly Performance/Homebuilt
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- If you clicked on this video your probably shopping around for a off-road Co2 tank. Maybe your a little unsure about why there is such a giant difference in price and features for products that all achieve the same job.
Today we are going to do a little comparison of some very popular Co2 tanks! Powertank, Smittybilt, Poly Performance and a homebuilt tank using parts found on Amazon. These are all great options for their various price ranges and the real separation is how many features you get for your dollar. These all are the same in terms of value but YOUR specific needs will be the deciding factor in what tank is right for you. I hope this information helps in your decision! Good luck and enjoy the video!!!
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In Colorado you can lease the 15# tank at a grow shop that sells growing equipment for vegetables, flowers, pot etc about $100. it has the handle on it. Best thing about doing it this way, when you empty the tank, just take it back and they will exchange it for a full one for about $10. No worrying about the 5 year recertification. Same as welding gas leases. BTW: Grow shops are open 7 days a week unlike welding gas outlets, also have many more locations. Michael in Colorado.
I bought my first Powertank in 1999 and have used it without a problem since then. I now have 4 (long story) that I use for various tasks from airing up tires, running air lockers and other things. I did have a tire inflator spring a leak and Powertank repaired it at their cost and paid for the shipping back to me. I have no experience with the others.
I picked up a PowerTank from them at Easter Jeep Safari 2 years ago and did a review on it. I will agree with you that i think it is the best product as far as quality goes. It is more expensive but in the end, i didn't want to do be dealing with recert or parts failing. I really like my PowerTank.
That cover on the bottom of the power tank also keeps tank from rolling away. Thats why it has the hex shape around it.I've got them on my scuba tanks.. I've got a couple of scuba tanks that are from the 60's. They passed certification no problem. I bet power tank never has to pay out on one of those claims. Mine are for my air rifles mostly. When they go below 3000 PSI, I use them for airbrush and whatever else. But then those yeng shuei(?) High pressure compressors flooded the market. I think they're down to low $200 price range. Now I just use that and a couple of out of date carbon fiber scotty scba fire fighter tanks that hold 4,500 psi. I got 2-30 min tanks for $50 on Ebay. So for under $300 you could get set up with HPA. You could pipe in all the pertinent equipment (regulator, separator, drier , etc.) on your fire wall or something
I have the Smittybilt tank. I agree with your assessment in that it can be a little fussy, freeze up, warranty isnt that great, customer service not that great and had to replace tank valve. But, since I dont use it that often its OK. Kinda like buying Harbor Freight tools vs Snap On or Matco.
I purchased a c02 tank from a convenience store that was going out of business for $10. They were used for their soda machines. I adapted the connection on the tank and now use it for my welder. I’m sure with another adapter or two I could get this tank to fill tires as well. The welding store I use, trades out your empty tanks for full certified tanks. Seems like another cheap alternative to build a kit.
Nate's been killing it with his last few videos. Liked this one a lot. Bought some Powertank stuff in the past and somehow wasn't aware of their tank cert warranty.
Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoying the content! I really like the power tank stuff. I feel like when you see it in person you very quickly realize the value of the high quality parts and peices. Thanks for watching 👍
@@DirtLifestyle
I think the handle is worth it mostly for the guard aspect.
Love the channel. I have had the 150PSI fixed regulator and a 20# CO2 tank from airgas, I just swap it out for 20 bucks when it's done. Used that for years, no issues (just to air up). Fabbed up a cage for it at one point but now it just goes in the drawer in the back
I started with a budget CO2 system, then to a P/Tank system. I now have 3 P/Tanks and their regulators. Just airing 1-2 tires (my last truck was 2wd, only lowering the rear tires) with a standard regulator was OK, but it would start to freeze up while filling the 2nd tire. My new truck (2018 Raptor) being 4wd needs to air up all 4 tires and the P/Tank gets cold but doesn't freeze up. The quick coupler on the P/Tank regulators fits several popular hose ends.
Sounds like you had a very similar experience to mine. 👍
I got mine for about $70. Swapped an old o/a bottle setup that I didn't need any more for a 20# CO2 at airgas and got a Western 320150 fixed regulator. Gonna get a 5# bottle & hose and fill it using the 20 since I got electric tools now and don't need to run impacts any more. Don't have to worry about cert when you just swap at the welding supply.
I manage a cylinder requalification company. We find that most aluminum and steel C02 tanks fail examination due to corrosion & pitting of the internal walls of the tank. This is caused when all the water used in testing is not completely removed from the cylinder or using a lower grade C02. The aluminum tanks will deteriorate rapidly in this condition. We just failed several 5 year old cylinders due to this. I would use caution in filling aluminum alloy wheels with C02 due to the same type of corrosion. A better alternative is a SCUBA or SCBA (fireman air pack). Its just breathing air but at 4500 psi rather than 900-1200 psi using C02.
Good info, thanks 👍
I love my DIY setup! It is extra gratifying to park next off to the side of the trail entrance next to the guy with onboard air with manafolds on all for tires and be aired up and rolling in the fraction of the time! I have molle panels in the rear windows of my XJ and have that little 5lb tank strapped up back there with quickfist clamps and it fits perfectly. I do the tank swap from keen and have no issues, every place exchanges but not all fill. I did grab the adjustable regulator you showed on the amazon list, but from eBay as it was cheaper. I used to run mine without the powertank style handle and smashed the regulator on a tile floor in my house. One thing I did do on my setup was to use HF fittings on the regulator, hoses, and inflater.
Dude !!! This is the best !! im literally in the middle of this purchase right now
Great! I'm happy to help!
Seems like using a standard tank that the gas supplier can exchange would save a lot of trouble. From running a fab shop (and having welders that use pure liquid CO2 tanks) I was very aware of the cost per pound of exchanging tanks. Contents are always higher priced (per pound) the smaller the tank size. Always fed my welders from 50 lb. aluminum tanks. They were about $30-32 to exchange (60 cents per pound). A 20 lb. tank might be $35-40 to exchange ($1.75-2.00 per pound). When you are talking industrial CO2 bottles you want to be certain the supplier gives you one made for delivering VAPOR while upright orientation. Some fire extinguishing equipment (restaurant grease hoods) uses CO2 tanks that deliver LIQUID while upright.
(an internal dip tube delivers liquid contents from the tank bottom). You do not want to mix them up.
Thank you, Nate. Solid video comparison. I personally don't feel I need to have CO2. Maybe that will change one day. I'm now better informed and able to make a more informed decision. 👍
Good man! Glad you enjoyed it anyway!
I have the Poly fixed regulator. You can buy just the regulator ~$100. You can pick up filled used CO2 bottle at any gas supply store. Just ask for an aluminum bottle. Mine works great, but will freeze up on heavy use. 1 word of warning, turn off the main valve EVERYTIME you are done using it. CO2 likes to leak down on hose fittings and will drain your bottle overnight. I was thinking to use a small inline air tank for expansion that would help on the the freezing issue. Pretty sure all tanks have freezing regulator issues. Its just the physics of expanding gasses.
With the 40"s on my jeep I've never had the powertank valve freeze up. The smittybilt built would slow down without fail by the 4th tire. I'm not sure about how this is achieved but the powertank regulator is definitely superior to the smittybilt. Its gets frosty but it keeps on moving co2 👍
Poly Performance tank and reg valve is made in usa the shutoff is also a reg safety valve witch releases with over pressure the 2nd reg that on it is made overseas and is for max useable pressure
I obtained refurbished used CO2 tanks (Soda/Beer/Fire extinguisher) from my local CO2 Refil station for ultra cheap, $20 for a 5lb tank, $30 for a 10lb tank and $50 fr a 20lb tank! All good for another 10 years. I have 4 tanks from Powertank, 5lb, two 15lbs, and a 20lb. I bought another refurb 5lb, and two refurb 20lb tanks. I use the 20lb tanks to refill my 5lb tanks. And my 24oz “paint ball” tanks. That I use for firearms training.
Do you know much about filling a 10lb tank from a 50lb tank? And even when you fill your 5lb tanks with your 20lb tank do you turn it upside-down or do you have a hose inside to only get the liquid? And is it a 1:1 fill? Like a 20lb tank will fill a 5lb tank 4 times? Or is it more?
Friday by two minutes. Been waiting for this all evening thank you so much for making it happen
Lol I barely made it
I picked up a 20lb tank off of Craigslist for about $40 and a 150psi regulator from Amazon. I thought about Power Tank but would have to send my tank off every time I wanted to fill it. Nobody where I live fills tanks, just exchange. I would really like to have a one of the tubes that Power Tank uses so that you can use your tank in the horizontal position... It's a pain in the ass unstrapping a 20lb tank and dragging out of the back of my Jeep every time I wanna use it !!!
Thank you for this video. I have been looking at options for on board air for a while. Also our topographic sleeve is awesome!
No problem! Thank you! I'm liking the new sleeve so far as well!
Awesome info as always man. I've been thinking about doing a co2 for a little while. Going to add that Amazon build to my Christmas list as an entry into running one on board for my DD / Weekend warrior.
Thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
Preece products sells a powder coated tank, Handel and regulator for les than $300 and the power tank protective boot can be found on eBay for less than $20 I love mine so far.
Swap out tanks at a place like Airgas, no need to worry about recertifying. I got my regulator, similar to the power tank one on amazon, 70 bucks. The tanks from Airgas are beat up, so I stole a pair of the wife’s yoga pants and made a sleeve for the tank.
Most CO2 cylinders and industrial gas cylinders including welding gases are "filled" by swapout unless it's a special case. Cylinders don't need to be pretty, just pass visual inspection. Criteria are online or ask at the local welding supplier.
Air gas has a shop in my town. It's 40 bucks per 10lb tank. I'm sure it's a cheap swap from there on out.
I bought a pretty tank way back in the day from viair, like 20 years ago. I still use a CO2 tank for somethings..., I have three different sizes now, I tried to keep that pretty tank as long as I could but finding a place that will fill it getting harder every day. Most of all the welding supply places where I live only do swap outs because they go through a major gas distribution company. IMO, get a standard tank, buy whatever Fancy or cheap fittings you want for it and send it. Your tank will be updated every time you swap out... no need for certification. Also, I use the power tank hose and reg on my generic tank...the only problem I have had is the power tank gauge broke, but I also had ARB gauge break as well. I now buy my gauges from Grainger
Always putting together great videos with very useful info. Thanks for posting this one. Gives me some insight for my next purchase!
Thank you! Happy to see your enjoying my videos!
Went to my local Pepsi. Rented a 15lb for $30. Bought a reg and hose on Amazon. $30 for a bottle fill/swap
I found a 20 pound CO2 tank at a local building salvage supply place for 35 bucks. I'm sure if I should get a fixed or adjustable regulator. I'd like to use air tools as well as tire filling on the trail. Thanks for the video.
you can use your CO2 to put out fires in a pinch ; )
Co2 sounds like a great alternative to trying to mount a air compressor, and I think I would definitely invest in the Power Tank brand. You get what you pay for. Great video! Any recommendations on air down kits? Which ones do you think are the easiest to calibrate for the psi you want to air down to?
I have a 10 year old power tank that has had 0 issues. Just got it rehydro tested and it passed no issues.
Buy once & it lasts. Just had to replace the coil hose & bought the straight hose this time. Everything else still works. Have their monster valves too....
Impressive products that last
If you wanted even a cheaper/better option, PCP air rifle tanks are the same thing, and you can get them with 3500 psi.
Built my own for about $120
Same 10lb tank as a Soda Stream uses, and a chinese regulator. Everyone already has hoses
All I do is walk in my tank for an exchange at a local gas store and take 5 minutes, so recertification's is not a concern for me.
Excellent and timely
I work for Praxair inert gases. Of the 4 gases I deal with, CO2 is the only one that DOES have oils in it. So much so once our microbulk have Co2 in them they can never be used for anything else
Multiple cheap tanks give you much more CO2 than one pretty decorated cylinder. Hydro dates don't worry me as I just swap them out when the hydro date gets close by exchanging at my local welding supply (not an option with pretty decorate boutique cylinders). Lease costs add up over time while owning a few used CO2 cylinders is cheap and eliminates running out. Decorated cylinders are just a way to spend more money on a system industry solved before anyone reading this was born. Handles and tank base condoms are available online from a variety of vendors. For QDs I use brass Milton high flow pneumatic fittings. Regulator gauges BTW are just simple cheap Bourdon tube gauges easily replaced with matching gauges which can be sourced anywhere. Unless you damage a cylinder it will pass certification. Owning a variety of regulators is cheap BTW so having more than one as backup is handy. Multiple cylinders ensure I have ample CO2 for MIG welding, seating tires etc.
As always a tremendous job. Thanks for all the info.
You don't need a regulator. Buy a CO2 fitting and a piece of air hose - 6'.
Stick tube over tire valve and open tank. Will fill tire in seconds. Don't overinflate.
After more than 10 years of using my Co2 system I regret not going with an electric or mechanical system with a higher initial cost. I did the math and I could have bought a high end electric pump after two or three years of paying for Co2 fills. Co2 airs up tires faster but I usually have plenty of stuff to do at the end of a day on the trail. I wouldn't depend on Co2 to run air lockers, Murphy would make sure I ran empty at the worst possible moment. On the plus side Co2 is great for running air tools, unlike electric or mechanical systems it is "on demand" no need to run the vehicle while using the tools.
On re-certifying tanks, I use exchange tanks. No waiting for them to be filled. They look like crap so I rattle can them to match my rig, my truck has a rattle can paint job so you can tell I'm not big on looks.
Had issues with my poly performance tank. They are working with me but it is taking a while. (3 months so far..) I do love co2 though.
Wow! 3 months?! Hopefully they get you takin care of 👍
Nate love the video very informative keep them coming
Thank you!
Once again great informative content.
Thanks!
FYI: I had a bad experience with Poly Performance and I told them that I would never do business with them again. Just my experience ...
Great video man! Thanks for posting; it helped me quite a bit!
You should redo this video PP stepped up their game. PT raised prices I was looking at $900 for a full kit. I ordered PP blue tank with 400lb dual regulator, Flexzilla hose and high flow fittings, and a digital inflator kit for $350.
Been looking at different options for airing up, was gonna buy the Smittybilt tank , but all the reviews I read aren't the best. Sounds like I can get a better set up going to amazon.
Subbed and liked. Do you know if I’ll be able to actually fill a tank in SoCal with all this covid 19 crisis.
Thanks for the awesome video!! Going with powertank baby!!!
Buy a power tank regulator and buy a tank from airgas or whoever and then just trade out with them. Only $20 to trade out (20#) and no worry about certification.
This is Gold! Thank you!🙌🏽
No problem!
Hey can you make a video on a budget welding co2 tank build for off road use like the power tank
I would like to hear from people on the safety of these tanks...according to industry for this use, the majority are sold in Arizona..and curiously I emagion there are many guys storing these inside cabs ...the problem I have is the temps in this environment of 90 degrees outside give 130 degrees inside cab, that being said that's 10 degrees above when the tank safety blows at 120 degrees. At 120 degrees tank pressure skyrockets to 3000psi!!! The same pressure the safety releases/blows out.
I would like some feedback on this topic and experiences
From user's and storage
Ill stick with my oba i built still needs a oil and water separater and only goes to 95psi
I wonder what the cost would be to build a setup using a small co2 tank and a regulator from Airgas?
Latemcire that’s what I did. Airgas tank, Amazon regulator...cost around $150.
Warranty’s are worth something!!!
Been looking into this since I got a homie hook up on a full 20lb tank so thanks for the info. Greatly appreciated
Awesome! Happy to help!
Hey man thanks for the video. A lot of good stuff to know when researching co2 tanks. I do have a question about the power tank. Will the tank function if it is mounted horizontally or does it need to be set up right? Thanks again for the video.
I know two people that have them mounted horizontally without issue 👍
@@DirtLifestyle thanks for your reply. It helps a lot.
Good info!!! Thanks
No prob 👍
Not a fan of the boots myself. I know from working in the dive industry is that over time they wear the paint off.
Great video!
Thanks!
A steel tank (a small one at that) costing over $600!!!! I feel like It should be around $250-$300.
Exactly why I don't own one. My $50 compressor does fine airing up my tires. And I don't carry air tools in my rig. Rather keep the weight down.
@@onetruebob_tj till it blows a rod and leaves you SOL. It can't reseat beads either.
Love the new tats bruh!!!
Thanks buddy👍
I've never been sold on co2 tanks. I definitely prefer a 12v pump set up
If you leave these tanks in your rig during a hot, South Texas summer day, will they burst the safety disks?
I don’t get why people buy the tank, just buy the regulator and the handle and swap the tank out at the welding supply store. Not many places do refills, no waiting, no recertifying, and less expensive, etc
Why wouldn't you just run a compressor?
Not fast enough. It requires power. They are expensive. They don't last very long. They overheat with big tires. They produce condensation. Lots of pros and cons with this stuff and nothing is black and white unfortunately.
great info thx
Can some one tell me why to have a co2 tank and not just a 12v air compressor. I have a Viair 444c and totally happy with it. I can actuate my differential locks with it and fill the tyres if needed. (actually newer even heard about co2 tanks earlier)
Both 12 volt and c02 are great options depending on what your doing. The co2 is awesome for its reliability and extremely fast air up times. With 40's the co2 tank is a must. The power tank airs up my jeep at about 1 minute per tire. The fastest 12v pump I've used was around 4 minutes a tire and they tend to overheat by the time you air up all four. But 12v compressors never run out of air. With my overlander I plan on running a 12volt setup because it's only on 32s and a 12v pump takes up very little space. Every job deserves the right tool 👍
What 12 volt pump are you planning to run on the overlanding rig?
@@mcginnis535 I'll build a dual pump system with a small tank. Most likely viar but I don't have anything set in stone yet 👍
Ha tanks for that , now we know more about tanks 👍😂
I'm all about the dad jokes 🤘😁
Thanks!
You are able to run air lockers off of a co2 tank? I have no idea how air lockers work?
Yes. My air lockers and my brother air locker are both actuated from a c02 tank. 👍
@@DirtLifestyle good to know
Will the Poly Performance and Amazon tanks accept the Powertank Carry Handle with a firm positive fit the same way it does on an actual Powertank?
Is it possible to use a fire department air pack tank into a air tank? I can get a tank they have to take the valve off. But before I get it just wanted to know if it will work. Thanks
I'm not sure to be honest. I would ask a welding supplier 👍
Where do you go to get your tanks filled
You can fill tires faster at 250psi than 150psi? I didn't think Pounds Per Square Inch had anything to do with that. I thought it was all about the CFM (Cubic Feet Per Minute) when talking about filling a volume of space (aka: Tire)?
The higher the pressure the faster you fill to an extent. If you fill at 150 vs 250 you see a big difference. Maybe I should do a video
A video might show you that CFM is exactly what it means, Cubic Feet per Minute. Regardless of pressure 45CFM at 250psi will absolutely not fill the same volume of space faster than 45CFM at 150psi, unless physics work different where you are. CFM means a fixed volume (45 cubic feet) in a designated period of time (1 minute or 60 seconds). Does not matter if your pressure is 5psi or 500psi the CFM rating of the regulator determines how much volume comes out over a given period of time. Hit me up when you pst the video.
@@BradIXXI this is a weird comment. Why are you so unhappy that you are harassing random TH-camrs? You asked a question, I gave you an answer. You then argue with the answer. You are an ask-hole. You get a charge on passive aggressive behavior instead of working on your own happiness like the rest of us.
You are simplifying something to try and win an argument that didn't exist until you manifested it.
Fill a tire with 1 psi. Then fill a tire with 100 psi. Your very weak argument states this is all about CFM and both tires fill at the same speed. Psi and cfm have a complicated relationship. I was a journeyman plumber for 15 years and we train apprentices to understand this relationship. You are using half the equation on purpose and it's pretty dishonest. This is a complicated question with a complicated answer. I make videos that are easy to understand without getting into the weeds. If you want to watch videos that get I to the weeds just find another channel. 👍
@@DirtLifestyle I am sorry if I came across as an a$$hole. After re-reading my post it does sound hit that very mark. I just get a case of the Red-A$$ when I see someone giving out inaccurate information, and I replied on the spur of the moment. I am also sorry for getting you worked up with my a$$hole-ness, was never intended that way. I also despise Trolls that hide behind the anonymity of the net, that's not me at all. From all my years of underwater welding I've just picked up some good knowledge and bad habits, and bad manners it would appear also. I would love to discuss gasses with you sometime. Cheers....
@@BradIXXI my apologies for getting worked up as well. This is the issue with text... no context. I imagine if we met in person and had a beer it would be a great discussion without any mud being flung. Thanks for watching brother and again sorry 👊
what about using a scuba tank? how does it compare to co2?
I'm curious if any one using CO2 has had issues with it rotting the rubber inside a tire. CO2 + H2O = H2CO3 or Carbonic acid, Not a very strong acid I gran you that. The CO2 is dri but it mixes with any humidity already in the tire. If you are going to buy a tank and regulator ect. wouldn't it be just as easy to get a nitrogen tank instead? Or am I missing something?
Hey Nate, I’ve only borrowed Nitrogen tanks from friends before. Was thinking of putting something together for myself. Why CO2 over nitrogen? What I used had like 2,000psi in it. Just curious.
Nitrogen works as well but co2 is cheaper 👍
Co2 over nitrogen because far more gas volume using co2. That's because the co2 is a liquid under tank pressure with a gas space. As that gas is drawn off more co2 liquid turns into gas. That's why co2 tank stays full pressure until nearly empty when all liquid has turned into gas. Nitrogen is just a high pressure gas only and tank pressure drops as its used. Take two 10lb bottles of each and the co2 will fill several times as many tires.
Legit video
I'm curious why use a C02 tank instead of a compressor?
CO2 will run air tools. A compressor relies on a running engine, or electricity. A 12v electric is a joke for anything but adding air or running lockers. Adding a re purposed AC compressor works great, but is much pore complicated and does require your engine to be running. Sometimes that's not feasible. Also having over 100 psi helps for resetting broken beads. Then again , so does starting fluid!
I think I'll do a seperate video on this. Both systems have their pros and cons. The co2 is nice because it uses no electricity and is capable of FAR more pressure! This is valuable for folks like me with 40" tires! Filling a 40 takes forever but when you can crank your pressure up to 250psi it takes less than a minute. Also, the air is super dry and has zero oil. 12v and belt driven a/c compressors produce moisture as they compress air. This gets into whatever your filling or the tool your using. The converted ac systems get oil throughout the on board air system as well. Somthing that needs to be filtered out before you fill a tire. Oil based products eat each other so this is dangerous to have oil in your tire. When your filling 40s its taxing on a 12v compressors as well and many overheat on the 4th tire. Pros and cons to all systems, I choose the co2 tank for many builds but would be happy with a 12v system for an overlander or something a with a smaller tire. All the problems I listed with 12volt and belt driven pumps can be over come! But the big one that can't is speed unfortunately. Thanks for watching 👍
i had leak issues with the smittybilt tank as well....i will not buy another one
Did you fabricate the front bumper on the J-10?
Yes i did 👍
Powertank kind of obvious it seems. Buy it once and done.
Why would higher pressure fill a tire to 30psi “faster”? Fill is about volume isn’t it?
The pressure on the gauge represents the resistance going through the air line. This resistance represents the tank pushing more volume. It's the same principles in plumbing. If your water pressure is 30PSI and you try to fill your tub it will take a while. If your water pressure is 80PSI and you go to fill your tub it will fill in less than half the time. More static pressure = more static resistance = more static volume. Static in this case meaning the measurement while filling the tire. At 250 psi it fills my 40 inch tire in under a minute which is crazy.
Using fire extinguisher for air?
That's a new one to me. I've never seen that done 👍
That's my plan ;) I've seen it done but need to research it
lol is that the Rubicon on your right arm now?
Lol nah man it's moab inspired but it doesn't really exist. It's an artistic interpretation from the tattoo artist of topo maps. And it has the latitude and longitude of moab Utah at the base 👍
why isn't the amazon link taking me anywhere?
Very weird, have you tried it again by chance? I tried it and it's working for me.
@@DirtLifestyle yeah it worked on my phone! Weird, it came across as a download on the computer. Pretty cool how you have that set up!
Now we don't have to pump the keg at the trail head...
Lol definitely
Made in chyna booooo. Made it USA hell ya!
This video was a lot of Cold air (that’s a CO2 joke)
Lol
Cheap is dangerous!!! Don’t do dangerous!!!
Shittiey tank bilt!!!
Powertank kind of obvious it seems. Buy it once and done.