Great video! The reason the Medicos are near impossible to pick is the the tumblers and the teeth on the keys are angled as well as the tumblers so not only do the tumblers need to be at the shear line they also need to be at the correct angle to match the angled teeth. The reason the keys are extremely hard to duplicate are the same reasons above plus you need a special key machine to duplicate key. It would be near impossible to make these keys in your garage. Possible but not an amateur's endeavor. I think it would be a good idea to run some pewag chain through the wheels too if your wheel holes will allow a 1/2 chain through it. The other thing to know is all locks can and will be defeated by anyone with resolve and the right tools. So leave your trailers when you can in a place where power tools light and noise signatures will cause alarm. Locks are only meant to slow a thief down contrary to most folks belief systems.
Thanks for the info. I agree, locks are a deterrent, not a guaranty that your gear is safe. The better the deterrent the better the protection but every lock can be bypassed with the right tools, time and effort. Thanks for watching.
If they wrap the chains tightly enough around the bumper or ball, they can get it far enough away that they can secure it better down the road. They don't have to tow it that way across country, just far enough to get it someplace less visible where they can take their time securing it.
The new lock core sounds nice, but i still have a problem with the puck being made of 303 stainless. Fact is it is easy to drill. Simply searching for the properties of 303 would reveal that its the most readily machined stainless available. I know that "locks are just a deterrent," but it would be nice if they used hardened steel like the other top brands.
On the table, you have two different sleeves. One has a hole through the part that sticks up on the insert. Can you tell me what the difference is between those two sleeves?
Thanks for making this video; well detailed and all. I'm going ith the SS version with Medeco key, no sense p.s..ng around with the security of my trailer as I wish for it to stay put where I park it.
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. I think the lock is pretty solid and should be a great deterrent to protect your trailer. I would also suggest a good wheel lock as well though to make it that much more difficult on would be thieves.
From watching LPL I was first a bit disappointed in that they switched from packlock core to cobra although is seems you need a specialized tool to get into a tubular lock. Well that is what the tracker from t-mobile is for. I should be able to find mine if it gets taken. I bought mine for a camper and the battery should be left to trickle charge. Allowing my tracker to get power off the battery. Tracker only needs a low wattage USB. Thanks for the video.
I may just want to replace my core with something else. I'll look into Medco and look for picking videos on it and see if the lock guys recommend it or not they had a few other recommendations I was looking at.
LPL says it will need someone with a fair bit of skill to open a Medeco. That sounds a lot better from what he said about the Cobra. ooh and I can get one of those for just under $32 nice.
@@jeffsadowski The Medco is a solid lock for sure. My issue with LPL is that he is doing everything on a stable bench, in well lit conditions, has time to look over the lock for weakness, has every tool at his disposal. While his work is really good info, it is not representative of the conditions thieves are working in. They are working on uneven ground where the lock is on the bottom side. They are likely working in poor lighting conditions. They are working under, time constraints and noise constraints so as not to tip anyone off. Unless they are staking out their target and knowing exactly what they are going to face, they most likely will not have the right tools on hand to counter every obstacle they will face. They are doing all of this while adrenaline is flowing and risk of getting caught is on their mind. I think these things need to factor in how well a lock will protect your valuables. I appreciate LPL but I think he needs to point these things out as part of his evaluation.
Jay, this video and the one you referred too helped me decide on purchasing this lock. I placed my order today. BTW, the “Jay sent me” promo code still works. Have a good one.
Try a Paclock UCS-9S lock instead. Ain't no way you're drilling or picking that puck. The body of the UCS-9S is 304 stainless, not 303, so even if you could get a drill to bite on the cone shape, it's FAR harder to drill. I use one of these with a Proven 2178 on my teardrop, and that trailer isn't moving. It's FAR superior to any Proven puck lock. Plus if you order the 2178 hitch lock from Proven with no puck lock it's $20 cheaper.
Thanks for the comment. This is a bit of a long answer but I try to provide info so those interested can find the product and purchase from whomever they choose. I made a decision early on not to participate in affiliate programs because I didn't want any company compensation to influence my opinions of the products I am reviewing. Along those same lines I generally don't add links because I didn't want people to feel like I was directing them to a source and that I might be compensated when they purchase. Basically, I want people to feel free to purchase from whomever they choose, find the best deal and that I am in no way making money from their purchase. If I like a product and I can negotiate a discount for viewers, great but doesn't meant its the best deal on the product. For me, I want to earn viewer's trust keep my integrity so I try to remain objective in my videos and just share my honest opinion of the good and bad. I have had numerous offers from companies for free products and asking me to do reviews as well as participate in affiliate programs and I always turn them down. In order to maintain my credibility, I only review products that I buy myself so viewers know that my opinions are genuine. I know that was a long answer to a short comment but I hope that helps provide more insight into my channel.
Loved the video I like to figure things out that lock is not available in my country but while watching a thought came into my head that would make it possible to steal any trailer with that system on it ,here goes a length of steel tube with a trailer hitch fixed to it inside diameter of the tube big enough to slide over the hitch lock with a but on top that you could tighten down on the existing lock then hitch it on and tow it away
Sadly, no lock is 100% effective. If they want it bad enough, they will find a way. I do use a wheel lock in combination with the hitch lock to prevent them from just dragging it off. If they really want it, they could bring a flatbed trailer and a winch and just drag it onto a trailer. However, the question is, is the average thief going to be prepared with the proper setup? Not likely as most thefts are crimes of opportunity...meaning it's a spur of the moment thing. So unless they are prepared with everything they possibly need, they are likely to move on to an easier target.
@@RoughRidersTV RR you are right to recommend the wheel lock as my insurance agent did many years ago. At that time many were boats were stolen using the chain method of bypassing the hitch all together.
Yes, because random strangers with no foreknowledge of the lock will know exactly where to drill and have everything the need on hand. It doesn't work that way, statistics show that the overwhelming majority of thefts are crimes of opportunity, not pre planned, organized thefts. That is the difference between doing things in a shop vs doing things in real life.
If you look on lockpickinglawyers videos, I believe that he can disable any of the locks that you referenced, in a few minutes or less. From what l've seen on TH-cam, they can be disabled by about 30 seconds of drilling, or, just a few minutes to pick the lock. Imo, the only coupler lock that's worth $300+ is the Altor Icon, a 20# beast that would take a very LONG TIME to drill out, and can't be picked with any tool that you could buy. The others that secure the safety chains and have an aluminum or 303SS puck locks, are all bark and no bite imo. They'll protect you from someone that doesn't know what they're doing, but only slow a pro down, by about 3 minutes, if that. Just for the record, I have no association with Altor Icon, other than having purchased their product, and having high hopes for others, only to see and have them quickly dashed, by lock experts. No matter what one chooses, also securing your chains with any decent lock, a deterrent lock on your wheels, and putting down your jacks are your best bet, to be as "protected" as possible.
This comment has been made before by others. My biggest complaint about LPL is that he is picking locks in a benchtop environment and not real world. He has had plenty of time to examine the locks for weaknesses and plan out before he shoots his videos. He is working in a well lit environment, with every tool at his disposal. He is not under the pressure of getting caught, he doesn't have to worry about someone catching him in the act. In short, he has ideal conditions. I'm not saying his videos are bad at all as they provide a very clinical view of the locks. But working in an ideal setting is not the same as working in a real world environment where you have all sorts of conditions that hinder your ability to work quickly and quietly. You also have the emotional component of adrenaline flowing that impacts both decision making and steady hands. A lab environment NEVER equates to a real world environment, which I think is an important factor to be considered.
That 303 Stainless Lock is available right now...at least it shows as in stock on their website. It seems to me that since the latch has moved to an off centered position on the backside center point, the material shouldn't matter any more. I'm assuming the additional cost for the SS is part material and part superior lock mechanism.
@@RoughRidersTV Hmmmmmmmm.....I just ordered one today. Do you know which core ships right now? I wonder if I should call them and ask if I can receive the Medeco with my order as that's one of the things I liked about it. Thanks for the reply.
I would carry a small air compressor with me all the time. When I park the trailer I would let almost all the air out of all four tires just to the point where it wouldn't ruin the tires. Next time I come for the trailer I'll just air the tires up and leave, I doubt that a thief would want to go through all that and he can't haul it with almost flat tires. Or, put blocks under the axles and let all the air out of all 4 tires. The thief would think he has to jack up the trailer and remove the blocks. When he lowered the trailer all 4 tires are completely flat. Take about taking the wind out of someone's sails, especially after all that work and time spent.
True and as I have repeatedly said, most crimes are crimes of opportunity. This means they happen on the spur of the moment, not master planned events like Ocean 11. Thieves would have to know what obstacles they are going to face in advance and plan for those. So in my case, they would have to know they would need chains, they would have to know they would have a wheel lock to deal with...they would have to know they have locking lugs to deal with, they would have to plan for the locked hitch. So how likely is a thief going to know all of that in advance and have the necessary solution ready to go? Not likely. Every lock can be bypassed with enough planning and the right equipment but given that statistics have repeatedly shown that thefts are crimes of opportunity, when thieves face obstacles, they will often move on to easier targets. That is the goal of every lock...make it hard enough that they look for something easier.
@@RoughRidersTV It's seems like a good lock but also get a GPS tracker and hide it somewhere on the van/trailor so it can be easily located in case it does get stolen. It can be tracked from a cell phone or pc and info can be passed to the police
@@timetraveller3774 Totally agree. A good GPS tracker is another great layer of security. I think my issue is that a lot of them require long service contracts. I keep my trailer in my garage when not camping so I only need the service when I am traveling/camping. I'm not sure if any of them have plans that can be turned on/off when needed. However, if I were storing off site, I would absolutely add a tracker on full time.
I've seen that video as well. First, it's easy to do when you have the puck in your hands, entirely familiar with it and can measure things out and put the drill exactly where you need it on a bench setting. It's another thing entirely to come across this in the field and be able to know before hand what would be required. However, none of that matters as they have since completely changed the lock core and offer a stainless steel puck as an option. I have an update video on this that covers it if you are interested.
@@RoughRidersTV Hell yes, we are interested. Did the fix the problem or didn't they? The video is still compelling and worthy of an answer back from Proven Industries on a solution.
@@mobleyMobley Not sure I've seen that video. However, some points to consider....drilling through the locks does nothing to help bypass it. On the aluminum lock he drilled through, the latch mechanism was on the front and was spring loaded. Therefore, drilling in the right spot (not easy to find in the first place), he could push in the latch to bypass the lock. With this version, the latch is on the back so no way to drill and get to it. It is also operates like a deadbolt so it's not spring loaded. So, even if you could access it, it would be fixed in place and pushing on it would do no good.
I get it but don't completely agree. Locks are proven deterrent. No lock is full proof but the better the lock, the more of a deterrent it is to push thieves to easier targets.
at 14:27 no lock is 100@ effective ... I would add "all of the time." you can harden the target and make it more desirable hit a target down the street. also, there is a maxim that i occasionally use - "if you can defeat multiple and mutually exclusive, or even interactive security methods all at the same time, you can get into fort knox.. take out the guards, guns, cameras, alarms, dogs, locks, etc.. you can walk in"
I simply removed all 4 tires on my 20ft enclosed and locked the jack stands to my axle and leaf springs. You will need a damn crane and helicopter to steal it.
the barrel key lock is shipping as of Jan 3, 2020, as i just got one. the Cobra barrel lock also retains the key. current prices for the default locking set up is about 250-270, depending on model. SS puck lock is an additional 100.
if the wheels are not booted, on both sides, I don't care how many of those hitch locks you have over the chains and coupler, your trailer can be hauled off very, very, easily. boot the trailer and do the coupler then you have the beginnings of security. with out when boot locks, you're trailer is still really vonerable for theft.
Yes, which is why I recommend also using wheel locks. However, this video was to discuss updates specifically to the hitch lock that were done since I posted the original video.
This guy drills their old lock out in 30 seconds. th-cam.com/video/UBAFthdYbgw/w-d-xo.html This is the model that's been replaced he does several videos on it one to pick it and one to drill it.
I've seen his videos. It's not the same puck. The locking mechanism on the puck has been moved to the back side. Drilling it out won't do any good because there is nothing there to engage. See the update video where I cover the different puck designs and lock cores.
Nice lock but many trailers of today especially boat trailers have detachable couplers in which this proven lock would be kind of useless because a thief would just remove the coupler and replace it with another one.
My boat doesn't have a detachable coupler but does have a folding tongue. None of my other trailers I have ever owned had a detachable coupler and I have owned at least a dozen trailers over the years. Perhaps this is a new trend in trailer design I don't know but I haven't seen that many trailers with the removeable coupler.
@@RoughRidersTV Head down to a Cabela's or Bass Pro Shops all their boats have swing tongues with detachable couplers. Sucks I wish they didn't but they do.
That is assuming that they have medeco blanks to work from, which they won't. This is not the same as copying your Quickset house key on a machine where they have the common blank keys to start with for the copy. DND blank keys are not typically hanging on a rack that you can pull from to make your own copy.
Not to give you a hard time but you might want to check out this video: th-cam.com/video/CUmLf-Wsr0o/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=LockPickingLawyer which illustrates how to defeat your stainless steel lock in about 30 seconds.
I've seen that video. It's not the same lock as I am showing here. The core is completely different. Furthermore, drilling on a bench is not the same as drilling in the field in real world conditions. When you have time to study a lock, take measurements and setup in a nice stable environment, you can do things that are not easily accomplished under real world conditions.
Lockpickinglawyer has a video on this, 15 seconds drilling the face (not core) and your in. Wish they sold this without their shitty puck. They should sell just the hasp (without lock) for around $100.
First, lock picking lawyer was working with an old, proto design. and not the current lock. 2nd, he was working in a nice, well lit space, with a nice, flat work bench...that is nowhere near reality of working under the cover of darkness, on uneven ground where you do have a work bench to place the lock in exactly the right position for drilling. 3rd, he had plenty of time to study the lock and look for exploits...again, not reality where a thief finds this lock on a trailer, had no time to study it and figure out how to defeat it all while trying to work quickly/quietly under the stress of getting caught. So, let's distinguish between trying to defeat a lock under real world conditions and the comfort of a work bench before we suggest the lock is easy to defeat. I still say this is one of the best locks on the market.
Still the video is out there... thieves don't watch youtube? I would have liked to buy just the hasp and not the dam expensive (and still worthless in my view) puck lock. Just made it too expensive. Anyway I have found a different solution. Anyway didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. Have a good one!
Lock picking lawyer disagrees. Plus, they bring their own chains and hook it up. Wheel locks are really the way to stop it, or at least significantly slow it down I guess. The puck lock is stupid from them. Lock picking lawyer says you can find much better from elsewhere.
Well, he is certainly entitled to his opinion. I use both wheel and hitch locks. No lock is ever 100% effective and every lock on the planet can be bypassed with enough time and preparation. However, the purpose of locks are to deter potential thieves. I honestly doubt that all thieves run around with enough chain in their setup in the off chance they will need them. I stand by my statement that this is one of the best locks on the market and the improvements only make it better.
These are not my locks, I'm just using one to secure my trailer. I have seen his videos and yes, a trained locksmith working on a bench can open it. However, the average thief is not a trained locksmith nor working on a bench. With that said, I would ask you if you lock your door when you leave your house? Do you lock your car when parked? If yes, why? Because it's a deterrent, lock EVERY lock is... a determined thief with enough time, tools and patience can bypass any lock. The entire point of a lock is to deter theft, not prevent it under every circumstance.
@@GermanShepherd1983 They are the best locks I found in my research and they have made significant improvements over the life of the product. Buy the lock, don't buy the lock...that is entirely up to you. I stand by my belief that these are fantastic locks for securing your trailer and outline my reasoning in the video...regardless of what a trained locksmith working on a bench can or can't do.
How many thieves carry a portable plasma cutter? My guess is not many. Statistically speaking, theft is a crime of opportunity. These are not organized, well planned and executed operations...they are some jerk driving by, seeing a trailer and trying to steal it. They don't do long surveillance, scope out the types of locks they will face and then acquire the appropriate tools. It's a guy driving around with hammer, hack saw or crowbar in his truck that sees an opportunity for a quick hit and run.
@@RoughRidersTV I have a friend that just had his travel trailer stolen and locked up good and it was well planned they brought plenty of tools to cut all locks it was like a 34 ft trailer and it was stored at a church
Just saying these theives got nothing else better to do and it's simple to drive around with a portable plasma cutter only tool they need to get the nice stuff super fast it's real and happening whether you believe me or not
@@RoughRidersTVand you are right most do just ride around look for the easy steal then you u got your professional ones that come everything they need the little guys tell the big dogs what they found and then get it.....it happened to my father n law
@@pineapplesmash6678 I'm not saying well planned thefts don't occur, it's just that statistics show that the vast majority of theft are opportunistic and not planned. There isn't a lock on the planet that will stop every theft. The goal is to make it hard on the thief so that they move along to easier targets. This lock is not fool proof but it does deter the opportunistic thief. It encourages them to drive on down the road to look for an easier target. You can't just knock this off with a sledge, you can't hack it off or pry it off...it takes some real effort and you are likely going to make a lot of noise doing it. The longer they have to spend trying to defeat the lock, the greater their risk of getting caught. It's these things that make them pass on by and look for a trailer not as well secured.
Have not seen their wheel boot. I have their wheel lock and it goes through the rim so you just can't remove the wheel. However, it only works on trailers with a leaf spring suspension. It won't work on my trailer with a torsion axle and trailer brakes.
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I watched the Picking Lawyer drill out the stainless 303 lock in less than 30 seconds and boom it was unlocked. Can’t say I’m impressed
Yeah. I just watched that video it was like 13 seconds. Not a good lock. 😂😂😂
I defeat all types of Medeco locks they are not hard at all.
Loved your video. My wife and I just bought one and we used your your promo code and still works. Fantastic!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Best looking lock that seems to offer the best and most security. I just purchased 2. And they are made in the USA!
Thanks for the video. Just ordered and saved $20
Glad I could help
Great video! The reason the Medicos are near impossible to pick is the the tumblers and the teeth on the keys are angled as well as the tumblers so not only do the tumblers need to be at the shear line they also need to be at the correct angle to match the angled teeth. The reason the keys are extremely hard to duplicate are the same reasons above plus you need a special key machine to duplicate key. It would be near impossible to make these keys in your garage. Possible but not an amateur's endeavor. I think it would be a good idea to run some pewag chain through the wheels too if your wheel holes will allow a 1/2 chain through it. The other thing to know is all locks can and will be defeated by anyone with resolve and the right tools. So leave your trailers when you can in a place where power tools light and noise signatures will cause alarm. Locks are only meant to slow a thief down contrary to most folks belief systems.
Thanks for the info. I agree, locks are a deterrent, not a guaranty that your gear is safe. The better the deterrent the better the protection but every lock can be bypassed with the right tools, time and effort.
Thanks for watching.
how are they gonna be able to control the trailer if they hook the chain to the truck? thanks
If they wrap the chains tightly enough around the bumper or ball, they can get it far enough away that they can secure it better down the road. They don't have to tow it that way across country, just far enough to get it someplace less visible where they can take their time securing it.
The new lock core sounds nice, but i still have a problem with the puck being made of 303 stainless. Fact is it is easy to drill. Simply searching for the properties of 303 would reveal that its the most readily machined stainless available. I know that "locks are just a deterrent," but it would be nice if they used hardened steel like the other top brands.
koukimike they do have a stainless steel option as well.
Thanks for making this video your code “jay sent me” still works that’s awesome.
Thanks for watching.
Great review, I'm intrigued with the stainless steel lock, I'm going to look to get one with the trailer cover you showed, thank you
Thanks for your review. I ordered one and you saved me $20! 👍🏻
Glad I could help! Thanks for stopping by.
On the table, you have two different sleeves. One has a hole through the part that sticks up on the insert. Can you tell me what the difference is between those two sleeves?
Thanks for making this video; well detailed and all. I'm going ith the SS version with Medeco key, no sense p.s..ng around with the security of my trailer as I wish for it to stay put where I park it.
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. I think the lock is pretty solid and should be a great deterrent to protect your trailer. I would also suggest a good wheel lock as well though to make it that much more difficult on would be thieves.
The lock looks smarter than any thief!
It's a solid lock for sure.
From watching LPL I was first a bit disappointed in that they switched from packlock core to cobra although is seems you need a specialized tool to get into a tubular lock. Well that is what the tracker from t-mobile is for. I should be able to find mine if it gets taken. I bought mine for a camper and the battery should be left to trickle charge. Allowing my tracker to get power off the battery. Tracker only needs a low wattage USB. Thanks for the video.
I may just want to replace my core with something else. I'll look into Medco and look for picking videos on it and see if the lock guys recommend it or not they had a few other recommendations I was looking at.
LPL says it will need someone with a fair bit of skill to open a Medeco. That sounds a lot better from what he said about the Cobra. ooh and I can get one of those for just under $32 nice.
@@jeffsadowski The Medco is a solid lock for sure. My issue with LPL is that he is doing everything on a stable bench, in well lit conditions, has time to look over the lock for weakness, has every tool at his disposal. While his work is really good info, it is not representative of the conditions thieves are working in. They are working on uneven ground where the lock is on the bottom side. They are likely working in poor lighting conditions. They are working under, time constraints and noise constraints so as not to tip anyone off. Unless they are staking out their target and knowing exactly what they are going to face, they most likely will not have the right tools on hand to counter every obstacle they will face. They are doing all of this while adrenaline is flowing and risk of getting caught is on their mind. I think these things need to factor in how well a lock will protect your valuables. I appreciate LPL but I think he needs to point these things out as part of his evaluation.
@@RoughRidersTV True enough but the and the tool he has to open isn't cheap. unlikely many have one.
@@jeffsadowski Good point as well.
Hi there.can you please write me the model number of the last two locks or at leas the stainless steel one, thank you
You can find them on their website at www.provenlocks.com/collections/puck-locks
Great video, thank for information on the trailer locks.
Rzr Man thanks for stopping by and watching the video. Glad you enjoyed it.
Jay, this video and the one you referred too helped me decide on purchasing this lock. I placed my order today. BTW, the “Jay sent me” promo code still works. Have a good one.
Glad I could help. Thanks for letting me know it is still working.
Great video, but what if a thief just removes the two bolts holding the entire coupler and puts a new inexpensive coupler on the trailer?
On my trailer, the coupler is actually welded to the frame so it can't be removed.
Weld your nuts to your bolts. At least then they will have to be cut.
@@reissnerjify Yes, they are welded on the inside of the frame.
If it’s spring loaded can you lock it without the key?
Try a Paclock UCS-9S lock instead. Ain't no way you're drilling or picking that puck. The body of the UCS-9S is 304 stainless, not 303, so even if you could get a drill to bite on the cone shape, it's FAR harder to drill. I use one of these with a Proven 2178 on my teardrop, and that trailer isn't moving. It's FAR superior to any Proven puck lock. Plus if you order the 2178 hitch lock from Proven with no puck lock it's $20 cheaper.
You should put links
So can order them as well the wheel lock
Thanks for the comment. This is a bit of a long answer but I try to provide info so those interested can find the product and purchase from whomever they choose. I made a decision early on not to participate in affiliate programs because I didn't want any company compensation to influence my opinions of the products I am reviewing. Along those same lines I generally don't add links because I didn't want people to feel like I was directing them to a source and that I might be compensated when they purchase. Basically, I want people to feel free to purchase from whomever they choose, find the best deal and that I am in no way making money from their purchase. If I like a product and I can negotiate a discount for viewers, great but doesn't meant its the best deal on the product. For me, I want to earn viewer's trust keep my integrity so I try to remain objective in my videos and just share my honest opinion of the good and bad. I have had numerous offers from companies for free products and asking me to do reviews as well as participate in affiliate programs and I always turn them down. In order to maintain my credibility, I only review products that I buy myself so viewers know that my opinions are genuine. I know that was a long answer to a short comment but I hope that helps provide more insight into my channel.
Loved the video I like to figure things out that lock is not available in my country but while watching a thought came into my head that would make it possible to steal any trailer with that system on it ,here goes a length of steel tube with a trailer hitch fixed to it inside diameter of the tube big enough to slide over the hitch lock with a but on top that you could tighten down on the existing lock then hitch it on and tow it away
Sadly, no lock is 100% effective. If they want it bad enough, they will find a way. I do use a wheel lock in combination with the hitch lock to prevent them from just dragging it off. If they really want it, they could bring a flatbed trailer and a winch and just drag it onto a trailer. However, the question is, is the average thief going to be prepared with the proper setup? Not likely as most thefts are crimes of opportunity...meaning it's a spur of the moment thing. So unless they are prepared with everything they possibly need, they are likely to move on to an easier target.
@@RoughRidersTV RR you are right to recommend the wheel lock as my insurance agent did many years ago. At that time many were boats were stolen using the chain method of bypassing the hitch all together.
I can't find the promo code. ?
JaySentMe
What is the Code , and the best place to order it ???
JaySentMe
Soooo the spring loaded latch is exposed?! Lol. Shimming that while on their trailer lock will be a breeze. All I need is an 1/8th of an inch.
Great review!!!
Thanks!
I am too lazy to watch all of it but I have heard this is the best. Can I get a code or link to save $20. Is there only one model?
Code is provided in the video. Thanks for watching.
Just drill the front where the spring loaded locking lug of the core latches. Less than a minute and its gone.
Yes, because random strangers with no foreknowledge of the lock will know exactly where to drill and have everything the need on hand. It doesn't work that way, statistics show that the overwhelming majority of thefts are crimes of opportunity, not pre planned, organized thefts. That is the difference between doing things in a shop vs doing things in real life.
If you look on lockpickinglawyers videos, I believe that he can disable any of the locks that you referenced, in a few minutes or less.
From what l've seen on TH-cam, they can be disabled by about 30 seconds of drilling, or, just a few minutes to pick the lock.
Imo, the only coupler lock that's worth $300+ is the Altor Icon, a 20# beast that would take a very LONG TIME to drill out, and can't be picked with any tool that you could buy.
The others that secure the safety chains and have an aluminum or 303SS puck locks, are all bark and no bite imo.
They'll protect you from someone that doesn't know what they're doing, but only slow a pro down, by about 3 minutes, if that.
Just for the record, I have no association with Altor Icon, other than having purchased their product, and having high hopes for others, only to see and have them quickly dashed, by lock experts.
No matter what one chooses, also securing your chains with any decent lock, a deterrent lock on your wheels, and putting down your jacks are your best bet, to be as "protected" as possible.
This comment has been made before by others. My biggest complaint about LPL is that he is picking locks in a benchtop environment and not real world. He has had plenty of time to examine the locks for weaknesses and plan out before he shoots his videos. He is working in a well lit environment, with every tool at his disposal. He is not under the pressure of getting caught, he doesn't have to worry about someone catching him in the act. In short, he has ideal conditions. I'm not saying his videos are bad at all as they provide a very clinical view of the locks. But working in an ideal setting is not the same as working in a real world environment where you have all sorts of conditions that hinder your ability to work quickly and quietly. You also have the emotional component of adrenaline flowing that impacts both decision making and steady hands. A lab environment NEVER equates to a real world environment, which I think is an important factor to be considered.
Thanks for great review. What is the discount code?
Try JaySentMe. That may still be working.
An intelligent trailer thief will bring his own chains - he does not need yours.
That 303 Stainless Lock is available right now...at least it shows as in stock on their website. It seems to me that since the latch has moved to an off centered position on the backside center point, the material shouldn't matter any more. I'm assuming the additional cost for the SS is part material and part superior lock mechanism.
Yes. The puck itself is available now however, the Medeco lock core will be standard for that puck in Feb.
@@RoughRidersTV Hmmmmmmmm.....I just ordered one today. Do you know which core ships right now? I wonder if I should call them and ask if I can receive the Medeco with my order as that's one of the things I liked about it. Thanks for the reply.
@@goodoz9942 if you email onlinesales@provenlocks.com we can look into it :)
@@goodoz9942 I would suggest giving them a call. I don't know what ships on it now but they should be able to tell you your options.
I would carry a small air compressor with me all the time. When I park the trailer I would let almost all the air out of all four tires just to the point where it wouldn't ruin the tires. Next time I come for the trailer I'll just air the tires up and leave, I doubt that a thief would want to go through all that and he can't haul it with almost flat tires. Or, put blocks under the axles and let all the air out of all 4 tires. The thief would think he has to jack up the trailer and remove the blocks. When he lowered the trailer all 4 tires are completely flat.
Take about taking the wind out of someone's sails, especially after all that work and time spent.
good tip.
Great video great content ... glad to hear they have upgraded the lock mechanism 👍
Thanks. The improvements are quite good.
The thieves can bring their own chains
True and as I have repeatedly said, most crimes are crimes of opportunity. This means they happen on the spur of the moment, not master planned events like Ocean 11. Thieves would have to know what obstacles they are going to face in advance and plan for those. So in my case, they would have to know they would need chains, they would have to know they would have a wheel lock to deal with...they would have to know they have locking lugs to deal with, they would have to plan for the locked hitch. So how likely is a thief going to know all of that in advance and have the necessary solution ready to go? Not likely. Every lock can be bypassed with enough planning and the right equipment but given that statistics have repeatedly shown that thefts are crimes of opportunity, when thieves face obstacles, they will often move on to easier targets. That is the goal of every lock...make it hard enough that they look for something easier.
@@RoughRidersTV It's seems like a good lock but also get a GPS tracker and hide it somewhere on the van/trailor so it can be easily located in case it does get stolen.
It can be tracked from a cell phone or pc and info can be passed to the police
@@timetraveller3774 Totally agree. A good GPS tracker is another great layer of security. I think my issue is that a lot of them require long service contracts. I keep my trailer in my garage when not camping so I only need the service when I am traveling/camping. I'm not sure if any of them have plans that can be turned on/off when needed. However, if I were storing off site, I would absolutely add a tracker on full time.
Watched a video earlier today about proven industries and the guy drilled through the puck lock in 30secs with 1/4" or 3/8" drill bit
I've seen that video as well. First, it's easy to do when you have the puck in your hands, entirely familiar with it and can measure things out and put the drill exactly where you need it on a bench setting. It's another thing entirely to come across this in the field and be able to know before hand what would be required. However, none of that matters as they have since completely changed the lock core and offer a stainless steel puck as an option. I have an update video on this that covers it if you are interested.
@@RoughRidersTV Hell yes, we are interested. Did the fix the problem or didn't they? The video is still compelling and worthy of an answer back from Proven Industries on a solution.
@@RoughRidersTV didn't he drill.through the stainless too?
@@mobleyMobley Not sure I've seen that video. However, some points to consider....drilling through the locks does nothing to help bypass it. On the aluminum lock he drilled through, the latch mechanism was on the front and was spring loaded. Therefore, drilling in the right spot (not easy to find in the first place), he could push in the latch to bypass the lock. With this version, the latch is on the back so no way to drill and get to it. It is also operates like a deadbolt so it's not spring loaded. So, even if you could access it, it would be fixed in place and pushing on it would do no good.
That seems like the old design.
Ft Knox locks hold the chains
@nicholas phillips So do these...
I've heard the Ft. Knox is a good lock but haven't seen it in person. These secure the safety chains as well.
Locks only keep honest people honest.
I get it but don't completely agree. Locks are proven deterrent. No lock is full proof but the better the lock, the more of a deterrent it is to push thieves to easier targets.
Good lock setups make a thief move on to the next easy pickings.
at 14:27 no lock is 100@ effective ... I would add "all of the time." you can harden the target and make it more desirable hit a target down the street. also, there is a maxim that i occasionally use - "if you can defeat multiple and mutually exclusive, or even interactive security methods all at the same time, you can get into fort knox.. take out the guards, guns, cameras, alarms, dogs, locks, etc.. you can walk in"
Exactly. Everything can be bypassed with enough time and tools. I'm just trying to make it harder for them so they move on to something easier.
I simply removed all 4 tires on my 20ft enclosed and locked the jack stands to my axle and leaf springs. You will need a damn crane and helicopter to steal it.
What is the 20.00 discount code please sir.
Code is provided near the end of the video. Thanks for watching.
the barrel key lock is shipping as of Jan 3, 2020, as i just got one. the Cobra barrel lock also retains the key. current prices for the default locking set up is about 250-270, depending on model. SS puck lock is an additional 100.
Good to know. I am pretty impressed with them as a company and the improvements are a big step up.
if the wheels are not booted, on both sides, I don't care how many of those hitch locks you have over the chains and coupler, your trailer can be hauled off very, very, easily. boot the trailer and do the coupler then you have the beginnings of security. with out when boot locks, you're trailer is still really vonerable for theft.
Yes, which is why I recommend also using wheel locks. However, this video was to discuss updates specifically to the hitch lock that were done since I posted the original video.
This guy drills their old lock out in 30 seconds. th-cam.com/video/UBAFthdYbgw/w-d-xo.html
This is the model that's been replaced he does several videos on it one to pick it and one to drill it.
I've seen his videos. It's not the same puck. The locking mechanism on the puck has been moved to the back side. Drilling it out won't do any good because there is nothing there to engage. See the update video where I cover the different puck designs and lock cores.
Nice lock but many trailers of today especially boat trailers have detachable couplers in which this proven lock would be kind of useless because a thief would just remove the coupler and replace it with another one.
My boat doesn't have a detachable coupler but does have a folding tongue. None of my other trailers I have ever owned had a detachable coupler and I have owned at least a dozen trailers over the years. Perhaps this is a new trend in trailer design I don't know but I haven't seen that many trailers with the removeable coupler.
@@RoughRidersTV Head down to a Cabela's or Bass Pro Shops all their boats have swing tongues with detachable couplers. Sucks I wish they didn't but they do.
@@ddm62571 that’s why U gotta weld it on after you settle on a ball size.
Anyone can make their own key at Lowes at a kiosk...
That is assuming that they have medeco blanks to work from, which they won't. This is not the same as copying your Quickset house key on a machine where they have the common blank keys to start with for the copy. DND blank keys are not typically hanging on a rack that you can pull from to make your own copy.
My key looks crazy....I promise you that you will have to take to full service locksmith..not kiosk..not home depot.
thats funny... calling a ball bearing a pimple...
Not to give you a hard time but you might want to check out this video: th-cam.com/video/CUmLf-Wsr0o/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=LockPickingLawyer which illustrates how to defeat your stainless steel lock in about 30 seconds.
I've seen that video. It's not the same lock as I am showing here. The core is completely different. Furthermore, drilling on a bench is not the same as drilling in the field in real world conditions. When you have time to study a lock, take measurements and setup in a nice stable environment, you can do things that are not easily accomplished under real world conditions.
Here is a video of the new lock also:) th-cam.com/video/VjxGP4joTlc/w-d-xo.html
Lockpickinglawyer has a video on this, 15 seconds drilling the face (not core) and your in. Wish they sold this without their shitty puck. They should sell just the hasp (without lock) for around $100.
th-cam.com/video/VjxGP4joTlc/w-d-xo.html
First, lock picking lawyer was working with an old, proto design. and not the current lock. 2nd, he was working in a nice, well lit space, with a nice, flat work bench...that is nowhere near reality of working under the cover of darkness, on uneven ground where you do have a work bench to place the lock in exactly the right position for drilling. 3rd, he had plenty of time to study the lock and look for exploits...again, not reality where a thief finds this lock on a trailer, had no time to study it and figure out how to defeat it all while trying to work quickly/quietly under the stress of getting caught. So, let's distinguish between trying to defeat a lock under real world conditions and the comfort of a work bench before we suggest the lock is easy to defeat. I still say this is one of the best locks on the market.
Still the video is out there... thieves don't watch youtube? I would have liked to buy just the hasp and not the dam expensive (and still worthless in my view) puck lock. Just made it too expensive. Anyway I have found a different solution. Anyway didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. Have a good one!
@@ems_nightcreature8209 No feelings hurt. We just disagree on the value of the lock.
@@RoughRidersTV thats what makes this country great. By the way, you do make good videos.
Lock picking lawyer disagrees. Plus, they bring their own chains and hook it up. Wheel locks are really the way to stop it, or at least significantly slow it down I guess. The puck lock is stupid from them. Lock picking lawyer says you can find much better from elsewhere.
Well, he is certainly entitled to his opinion. I use both wheel and hitch locks. No lock is ever 100% effective and every lock on the planet can be bypassed with enough time and preparation. However, the purpose of locks are to deter potential thieves. I honestly doubt that all thieves run around with enough chain in their setup in the off chance they will need them. I stand by my statement that this is one of the best locks on the market and the improvements only make it better.
So you are so naïve as to think the Lock Picking Lawyer can't pick the lock on you wheel lock? It's still on lock, genius.
Send one to the Lock Picking Lawyer on TH-cam. He'll have it open in 2 seconds.
These are not my locks, I'm just using one to secure my trailer. I have seen his videos and yes, a trained locksmith working on a bench can open it. However, the average thief is not a trained locksmith nor working on a bench. With that said, I would ask you if you lock your door when you leave your house? Do you lock your car when parked? If yes, why? Because it's a deterrent, lock EVERY lock is... a determined thief with enough time, tools and patience can bypass any lock. The entire point of a lock is to deter theft, not prevent it under every circumstance.
@@RoughRidersTV Yes I lock, but I'm not on the internet claiming they are the best locks that just got better.
@@GermanShepherd1983 They are the best locks I found in my research and they have made significant improvements over the life of the product. Buy the lock, don't buy the lock...that is entirely up to you. I stand by my belief that these are fantastic locks for securing your trailer and outline my reasoning in the video...regardless of what a trained locksmith working on a bench can or can't do.
I'm scared using their locks.....all it takes is a 5 mins with a portable plasma cutter cut all ur locks real fast and gone with ur tear drip
How many thieves carry a portable plasma cutter? My guess is not many. Statistically speaking, theft is a crime of opportunity. These are not organized, well planned and executed operations...they are some jerk driving by, seeing a trailer and trying to steal it. They don't do long surveillance, scope out the types of locks they will face and then acquire the appropriate tools. It's a guy driving around with hammer, hack saw or crowbar in his truck that sees an opportunity for a quick hit and run.
@@RoughRidersTV I have a friend that just had his travel trailer stolen and locked up good and it was well planned they brought plenty of tools to cut all locks it was like a 34 ft trailer and it was stored at a church
Just saying these theives got nothing else better to do and it's simple to drive around with a portable plasma cutter only tool they need to get the nice stuff super fast it's real and happening whether you believe me or not
@@RoughRidersTVand you are right most do just ride around look for the easy steal then you u got your professional ones that come everything they need the little guys tell the big dogs what they found and then get it.....it happened to my father n law
@@pineapplesmash6678 I'm not saying well planned thefts don't occur, it's just that statistics show that the vast majority of theft are opportunistic and not planned. There isn't a lock on the planet that will stop every theft. The goal is to make it hard on the thief so that they move along to easier targets. This lock is not fool proof but it does deter the opportunistic thief. It encourages them to drive on down the road to look for an easier target. You can't just knock this off with a sledge, you can't hack it off or pry it off...it takes some real effort and you are likely going to make a lot of noise doing it. The longer they have to spend trying to defeat the lock, the greater their risk of getting caught. It's these things that make them pass on by and look for a trailer not as well secured.
And with provens wheel boot is junk....all u have to do is take the wheel off and replace it with another one gone real fast that lock does nothing
Have not seen their wheel boot. I have their wheel lock and it goes through the rim so you just can't remove the wheel. However, it only works on trailers with a leaf spring suspension. It won't work on my trailer with a torsion axle and trailer brakes.