If they would stop nerfing everything and just buff other weapons back to their original state like the fcar this gun wouldn't seem as powerful as it is
the funny thing is that the weapon IS BALANCED, it’s just the other guns and gadgets got nerfed badly over the months and now the model seems OP in comparison like they need to stop nerfing everything and just start improving the other weapons. the TTK in this game is getting frustratingly long
@@thesaucyprophesy2939 the main issue with buffing all the guns again is it puts light at a massive disadvantage which I honestly could care less how light ends up or not but as long as light class is in the game the balancing system will never be in a good place
Ngl the weapon is boring af like the pike. I barely enjoy using it anymore. Both need a nerf. In the model's case, it's just severely power crept since they nerfed EVERY viable ranged gun in the game. In the Pike's case, it launched as the most OP gun ever in the game besides launch day FCAR. And the nerf did 0. GG
While I think the gun is super good, whenever you show quick play gameplay it makes it seem way better than it is. Truth is this gun is really good in the hands of good players. There’s a plenty of nuances to learn with the model - when you do hit your shots though it feels super strong
While the gun isn't the most balanced, you can't act like it's skillless either because it's not. You're in the top top percentile. So your naturally going to get a lot more benefit from it than most people. For most people, this is the hardest gun to use effectively. It's a high risk/skill, high reward gun that's currently OP.
Skill my a*s, I have bad aim and this weapon literally keep my kill count above 10 which I couldn't achieve normally using heavy this season All u do just don't move mouse and keep moving left right and aligned with enemy lmao
@manyblock4192 you just described reticle placement which is part of aiming, genius..... You may not have top tier aim, but you still need above average aim to make it work effectively and often. And the reason you're having better luck than heavy is because medium is meta and this gun is OP. Did you not read what I said? Both things can be true. It's a skillful, but OP weapon. Way more skillful than FAMAS or akm
There’s nothing to nerf… it has almost no range, one of the lowest DPS weapons, and will always lose to the pike if the pike player hits their shots. Takes forever to reload. Cant stay in the fight consistently because of that.
"Ur still fighting me instead of going for the cashout" yeah but I'd like to say I fought shawk and elim him. Its a rare objective to pop up, must take the chance
I think the Model has a large skill gap in terms of combining movement and aim that not many weapons in the game have. The Revolver could have a similar thing but it shoots a single bullet per trigger pull and has bloom so I do not believe it is comparable. The Model needs a damage nerf for sure because having the same ttk against medium and light is insane, but i don't think it is this OP god gun you think it is, the player has to do lots of heavy lifting to make up for its downsides
@@spudo6 I appreciate you accepting my premise. Considering there will always be an OP weapon, would you rather have one with a large skill gap be OP like the Model or one with a more compressed skill gap like the Pike be OP?
Two shots mediums/lights. Absurd. Playing diamond/top 500 this is all you see. It’s insanely easy to use. Trying to justify how unbalanced this gun is a crazy take.
Anyone who thinks the Model is "balanced" is clearly a casual or under 20k rank rating. Get up to 30-40k range, you'll see first hand what a model does in the hands of someone who has even half as decent aim as Shawk
Whoever think that Thing IS balanced has never Played an FPS... You dont need to be x to See that the model IS unbalanced af. The meta near 30k IS already boring cause all you See IS model Here and there... In your Team or in enemys hands....
Dude as someone who has been trying to play light for a couple of weeks. This gun is soo annoying to play against. I can get someone low af and then they turn around and 1 pump me in the head 😂. It’s just needs a little damage nerf or magazine nerf I think
Its anoying when someone's good at it. Like any other weapon, but still requires a lot of skill. He probably got wrecked by a bunch of model users and used it to make this video, but you're just skilled bud. I also find the dagger to be insanely effective and find it also so anoying to face against, but one time i tried it myself and it was not easy to use just requires alot of skill.
How did the Model 1887 become so OP? Did Embark buff it, or did everything get nerfed? I honestly don’t know how a lot of guns can just get unbalanced 🤷
Its just the most consistant option for the medium and doesnt suffer at all from sliding, jumping etc. 2 shots mediums etc. Its not really even that its overpowered, its just that the ARs got nerfed too much. The pike is pretty solid too; so alot of mediums are using the model and pike depending on the comps and teams youre facing
It's the only gun in the game that has never been changed before, so while everything else is needed the model has come to light and people only in the last few months have realised it's power
it 2 shots Mediums and Lights. Embark sent me a spreadsheet with all of the weapon stats so thats how I know it has the same TTK for L/M. I also tested it in the firing range + you can see it 2 shotting most of the mediums in the video. It should be at least 3 shot for M otherwise its to strong
@@ShawkR6 There are so many factors about the model that need to be tweaked. The dmg on connecting every pallet is like 128 which means 16 dmg per pallet. I think they need to reduce the dmg per pallet to 14 or 13 and adjusting it even further depending on whether you hit headies or body shots(pretty sure it doesn't have any increased critical hit dmg) at different ranges. The dmg falloff range starts at around 27-30m ig which needs to be lowered as it doesn't make sense for a shotgun(not even modern) to have that long of a dmg falloff range.
The big problem with this gun is its a dmg drop off from ranged is not big enough. you should not be sniping with this. it should not be even worth shooting someone 100 or so meters away. it should almost immediately be chip damage from anything farther than 25 to 50 meters.
really only the upper 5 percent or less is good with this gun, im around 430 hours in the finals and ran into less the 10 people that actually use this at your level.
Shawk would love some tips and tricks videos, or like a series like you used to do copper to champ ect. Maybe its just me but the flashy pub stomping gets a little boring after a while and not engaging enough. Ahh idk maybe its just me, keep playing the finals though please
I understand that they wanted a shotgun that was usable at medium range, but the solution to that was to tighten the spread, NOT give the gun 130 fucking damage per shot. Having both is ridiculous. Thats like if the KS-23 just didnt have falloff damage at all.
well the thing is it's not easy to get the 130 you need to have really good aim if you don't hit the right spot it's a lot lower damage and people like shawk can use any weapon and dominate it doesn't even matter
the gun might need a range nerf. and now m11 being so op with sights it need to 2 shot lights. it's only good in the hands of good players ,the gun has a large skill gap. and this guy is shitting on casual players so no shit its op. and for people who cry about this gun remember you aren't shawk, see how this guy recoil control fcar? it takes huge skill to master it
I remember debating somebody on one of your other videos. The dude sucked at trying to defend the model and how its not broken. This video proves it and so does most encounters with the gun.
Ur conternt is so wierd is this rage bait or what. Any decent player can shred in casual with every weapon this proves nothing. U are playing quick cash like its your rank up game in ranked and complaining about everyone in the lobby just goofing around. Saying this gun takes no skill is stupid aswell u have to hit pretty much everything to be effective with the gun. Sure it can get nerfed but the real reason this gun is op bcs people stack it in one team.
Okay I'd like to see you make a video where you drop 20 + kills and one quick cash round with the 93r. Now compare that one video to the dozens of the same video but with the Model.
@richardcarter8751 only weapons I haven't dropped 20 in quick cash are bow,sniper and medium melee weapons. Im not saying other weapons are as good as model but to prove that destroying in casual BCS U have above average aim and movement doesn't make a gun broken. In my opinion stacking medium with heals and defibs make model seem way better than it is. Make atleast ranked one class each and U wouldn't see model so much.
Drop your name then bucko, if you were even a diamond player you would know how played and op this weapon is, yes shawk Is a pubs merchant but the gun is op and pretty low skill for the competitive players
The Model needs less damge, the M11 needs less and range and damage, The Sword needs charged attack nerf. Charge Slam damage to players needs nerfed. Riot shield hitbox while running and attacking needs nerfed. Deagles need ADS rapid fire spread nerf. AKM and FCAR hipfire needs buffed. 93R needs damage buff. Dual Blades need more range, or damage, or attack speed. Pyro Grenade needs damage buff. I just want to see an equal amount of use and fairness for all weapons and equipment instead of always see everyone use the same thing cause it's simply better. Where's the variety?!
DON'T FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE :)
Please don't nerf this gun
what are your thoughts about 2 bullet light shotgun ?
Maybe if he carried on about how balanced the gun was for a little longer I would have watched but he didnt whine enough.
For real, bro is killing people in quick cash against casual players and is complaining the entire time about how unfair it is...
If they would stop nerfing everything and just buff other weapons back to their original state like the fcar this gun wouldn't seem as powerful as it is
the funny thing is that the weapon IS BALANCED, it’s just the other guns and gadgets got nerfed badly over the months and now the model seems OP in comparison
like they need to stop nerfing everything and just start improving the other weapons. the TTK in this game is getting frustratingly long
@@thesaucyprophesy2939 the main issue with buffing all the guns again is it puts light at a massive disadvantage which I honestly could care less how light ends up or not but as long as light class is in the game the balancing system will never be in a good place
Back on model I see. I would love to see you and sanguine go against eachother with the model.
Ngl the weapon is boring af like the pike. I barely enjoy using it anymore. Both need a nerf.
In the model's case, it's just severely power crept since they nerfed EVERY viable ranged gun in the game. In the Pike's case, it launched as the most OP gun ever in the game besides launch day FCAR. And the nerf did 0. GG
Exactly
While I think the gun is super good, whenever you show quick play gameplay it makes it seem way better than it is. Truth is this gun is really good in the hands of good players. There’s a plenty of nuances to learn with the model - when you do hit your shots though it feels super strong
agreed
LOL
it's really good in the hands of good players like EVERY weapon should be
While the gun isn't the most balanced, you can't act like it's skillless either because it's not.
You're in the top top percentile. So your naturally going to get a lot more benefit from it than most people.
For most people, this is the hardest gun to use effectively. It's a high risk/skill, high reward gun that's currently OP.
Skill my a*s, I have bad aim and this weapon literally keep my kill count above 10 which I couldn't achieve normally using heavy this season
All u do just don't move mouse and keep moving left right and aligned with enemy lmao
@manyblock4192 you just described reticle placement which is part of aiming, genius..... You may not have top tier aim, but you still need above average aim to make it work effectively and often.
And the reason you're having better luck than heavy is because medium is meta and this gun is OP. Did you not read what I said? Both things can be true. It's a skillful, but OP weapon. Way more skillful than FAMAS or akm
you're coping
The gun is a risk reward cause of it reload and demand for aim yes it hits hard but can be punished by good players that know how to count lol
It’s only powerful because everything else is so mediocre.
The worst thing in this game is when you’re balling and your teammates don’t drag it out. A possible 30-40 kill game stuck at 16-17
11:48 Scotty is tweaking😂😂😂
There’s nothing to nerf… it has almost no range, one of the lowest DPS weapons, and will always lose to the pike if the pike player hits their shots. Takes forever to reload. Cant stay in the fight consistently because of that.
I think it’s balanced tbh not a lot of range and if you miss you can get killed super fast
Not to mention if you fighting a full team and your alone you more than likely will die it’s mainly good for 1v1s and close range as well
the only one who still believes in the Finals
"Ur still fighting me instead of going for the cashout" yeah but I'd like to say I fought shawk and elim him. Its a rare objective to pop up, must take the chance
bro it doesnt need a nerf lol i i severly dislike the nerf crap ur a top skill player in quick cash
Exactly that's what I was thinking lol
I think the Model has a large skill gap in terms of combining movement and aim that not many weapons in the game have. The Revolver could have a similar thing but it shoots a single bullet per trigger pull and has bloom so I do not believe it is comparable. The Model needs a damage nerf for sure because having the same ttk against medium and light is insane, but i don't think it is this OP god gun you think it is, the player has to do lots of heavy lifting to make up for its downsides
Yeah well as a top 100 player everyone in my games uses it and it's just to OP in competitive
@@spudo6 I appreciate you accepting my premise. Considering there will always be an OP weapon, would you rather have one with a large skill gap be OP like the Model or one with a more compressed skill gap like the Pike be OP?
Two shots mediums/lights. Absurd. Playing diamond/top 500 this is all you see. It’s insanely easy to use. Trying to justify how unbalanced this gun is a crazy take.
@Chimugen not reading my whole comment and replying anyways is even crazier
one hits light close range
Anyone who thinks the Model is "balanced" is clearly a casual or under 20k rank rating. Get up to 30-40k range, you'll see first hand what a model does in the hands of someone who has even half as decent aim as Shawk
The same crayon enjoyers thought the CL-40 was balanced at the start of the season :kappa:
Whoever think that Thing IS balanced has never Played an FPS... You dont need to be x to See that the model IS unbalanced af.
The meta near 30k IS already boring cause all you See IS model Here and there... In your Team or in enemys hands....
Dude as someone who has been trying to play light for a couple of weeks. This gun is soo annoying to play against. I can get someone low af and then they turn around and 1 pump me in the head 😂. It’s just needs a little damage nerf or magazine nerf I think
I feel like model shotgun is pay to win. Animation in fights feels faster then default skin when shooting between shots. Flip animation faster.
Placebo is a hell of a drug
Your commentary in this vid is halarious 😂
Its anoying when someone's good at it. Like any other weapon, but still requires a lot of skill. He probably got wrecked by a bunch of model users and used it to make this video, but you're just skilled bud. I also find the dagger to be insanely effective and find it also so anoying to face against, but one time i tried it myself and it was not easy to use just requires alot of skill.
How did the Model 1887 become so OP? Did Embark buff it, or did everything get nerfed? I honestly don’t know how a lot of guns can just get unbalanced 🤷
Nerfed other weapons
@@Riveqs ty
Its just the most consistant option for the medium and doesnt suffer at all from sliding, jumping etc. 2 shots mediums etc. Its not really even that its overpowered, its just that the ARs got nerfed too much. The pike is pretty solid too; so alot of mediums are using the model and pike depending on the comps and teams youre facing
@@FearLegion-co8gg Oh, that makes way more sense. ARs have been feeling really weak.
It's the only gun in the game that has never been changed before, so while everything else is needed the model has come to light and people only in the last few months have realised it's power
I'd love to see sanguine jay and shawk go against each other on the model
Honestly, the gun is higher risk high reward. You have to hit your shots and be up close. I think it’s fair.
I think the models got to 2 shot lights, 3 shot mediums, and 4 shot heavies (headies only)
it 2 shots Mediums and Lights. Embark sent me a spreadsheet with all of the weapon stats so thats how I know it has the same TTK for L/M. I also tested it in the firing range + you can see it 2 shotting most of the mediums in the video. It should be at least 3 shot for M otherwise its to strong
@@ShawkR6 There are so many factors about the model that need to be tweaked. The dmg on connecting every pallet is like 128 which means 16 dmg per pallet. I think they need to reduce the dmg per pallet to 14 or 13 and adjusting it even further depending on whether you hit headies or body shots(pretty sure it doesn't have any increased critical hit dmg) at different ranges. The dmg falloff range starts at around 27-30m ig which needs to be lowered as it doesn't make sense for a shotgun(not even modern) to have that long of a dmg falloff range.
Swear this 1 shots lights
the shotgun can't deal headshot damage
The big problem with this gun is its a dmg drop off from ranged is not big enough. you should not be sniping with this. it should not be even worth shooting someone 100 or so meters away. it should almost immediately be chip damage from anything farther than 25 to 50 meters.
I got Covid & all I wanna do is play this game, that frustrates the hell out of me
Model definitely broken but it is hella fun to use icl hopefully when they fix it they don’t ruin the weapon completely
FR nerf the shotgun because it hasn’t gotten not even one nerf to it
1 hour of a grown man crying about the model
bro asked and he received
@ShawkR6 would you post your interface specs somewhere? I’d Ike to try the reticle like the way you have it setup.
really only the upper 5 percent or less is good with this gun, im around 430 hours in the finals and ran into less the 10 people that actually use this at your level.
Please don't nerf it
Yes they should
Well they just did. The lights cried hard for it again. Wanna bet on what's gonna be the next alright weapon to get nerfed next?
Shawk would love some tips and tricks videos, or like a series like you used to do copper to champ ect. Maybe its just me but the flashy pub stomping gets a little boring after a while and not engaging enough. Ahh idk maybe its just me, keep playing the finals though please
You've inspired me to go back into gunslinger phase. What is your sensitivity my guy? Haven't played with you in a while. This is Thorfinn btw😉
Why did you leave siege?
Lmao needs a nerf quick, ran into you in quick cash the other day tho nice playing with you hope you been blessed
Nerf model. For everyone saying it’s balanced because it doesn’t have range but let’s be real. It’s the finals. 85% of your fights are close quarters.
they nerfed it yesterday lol
I understand that they wanted a shotgun that was usable at medium range, but the solution to that was to tighten the spread, NOT give the gun 130 fucking damage per shot. Having both is ridiculous. Thats like if the KS-23 just didnt have falloff damage at all.
Agreed😂
well the thing is it's not easy to get the 130 you need to have really good aim if you don't hit the right spot it's a lot lower damage and people like shawk can use any weapon and dominate it doesn't even matter
It’s does more than 140 damage. 2 shots to head a medium dies same goes to light, heavy take more shots.
No offence but you clearly have 0 idea about the model lol. Its max dmg is 128 and it does not crit lol
sheeesh! here we go again.
you never have random unreal engine crashes?
that title change 😭😭😭😭😭
the gun might need a range nerf. and now m11 being so op with sights it need to 2 shot lights. it's only good in the hands of good players ,the gun has a large skill gap. and this guy is shitting on casual players so no shit its op. and for people who cry about this gun remember you aren't shawk, see how this guy recoil control fcar? it takes huge skill to master it
The Finals discord is full of nothing but requests to nerf this thing and mediums defending it. …I’m just going to stick to my AK :)
NOO DONT NERF MODLE D:
I remember debating somebody on one of your other videos. The dude sucked at trying to defend the model and how its not broken. This video proves it and so does most encounters with the gun.
its horrifically overpowered and takes absolutely no skill to use
@@ShawkR6 agreed 👍
@@ShawkR6for me it does, I suck.
bro changed the title
Love u Shawk =]
Ur conternt is so wierd is this rage bait or what. Any decent player can shred in casual with every weapon this proves nothing. U are playing quick cash like its your rank up game in ranked and complaining about everyone in the lobby just goofing around. Saying this gun takes no skill is stupid aswell u have to hit pretty much everything to be effective with the gun. Sure it can get nerfed but the real reason this gun is op bcs people stack it in one team.
Okay I'd like to see you make a video where you drop 20 + kills and one quick cash round with the 93r. Now compare that one video to the dozens of the same video but with the Model.
@richardcarter8751 only weapons I haven't dropped 20 in quick cash are bow,sniper and medium melee weapons. Im not saying other weapons are as good as model but to prove that destroying in casual BCS U have above average aim and movement doesn't make a gun broken. In my opinion stacking medium with heals and defibs make model seem way better than it is. Make atleast ranked one class each and U wouldn't see model so much.
Drop your name then bucko, if you were even a diamond player you would know how played and op this weapon is, yes shawk Is a pubs merchant but the gun is op and pretty low skill for the competitive players
Yea had nothing to do do with u being a considered pro player playing in casuals lobbies lol...love the content shawl keep it up
The Model needs less damge, the M11 needs less and range and damage, The Sword needs charged attack nerf. Charge Slam damage to players needs nerfed. Riot shield hitbox while running and attacking needs nerfed. Deagles need ADS rapid fire spread nerf.
AKM and FCAR hipfire needs buffed. 93R needs damage buff. Dual Blades need more range, or damage, or attack speed. Pyro Grenade needs damage buff.
I just want to see an equal amount of use and fairness for all weapons and equipment instead of always see everyone use the same thing cause it's simply better. Where's the variety?!
did u just ask for a riot shield nerf
@@-j-j-c yes cause there's no reason to hold block with it since the current shield running and swinging animation still blocks shots like crazy
Yes please
If they nerf the model the pike will takeover and nobody wants that.
It also doesn’t need a nerf.
they just nerfed it HAHAHA say thanks to retards like this yootoober
Model, Sword, DMRs, Throwing Knives are just disgusting. Whoever is on the balancing team should’ve been fired months ago
low stakes quick cash gameplay Zzzz
Change the title! It doenst need a nerf- best weapon for close range but sucks when far- it’s balance 🤷🏻♂️
Можно занерфить нытье в этой игре? И удалить станган
You and jag are toxic