@@jeff7764 Adventures in Zoochosis gets me as a new father. Particularly when he says “grab your little brother’s hand and run like the wind”. Lower Order just crushes me.
Propagandhi just gets better every album. I don't think they could ever disappoint me. Even if they decided to put out a do wop album I think I would be like this is the best do wop album I've ever heard.
Chris after he had some DMT (Duplicate Keys Icaro) or shrooms or LSD or something, but I would bet he'd prefer something fully natural so, DMT or shrooms or mescaline on their travels in the south of the US/Mexico..real mescaline from the few forms of cacti that produce it, peyote and san pedro (peyote is illegal except for the Navajo Native Church or such in the US...making a plant illegal..anybody who believes in a God cannot be for this..anyway..)..he seems to think there's something, but it's nothing we know about, maybe it's just fantasy. Michael Persinger a famous neurologist from a university in Ontario, I forgot one, but he's done Health Canada approved experiments with psychedelics and also people who were just claiming to have extreme "communicative" effects when praying and the fMRI machines was showing that they both activate more than normal parts of the brain in the temporal lobes. So we're wired to believe, I'm an atheist but if something awful is about to happen or thankfully didn't happen, I'll go "oh dear god, holy shit, god god god..." say after almost killing myself in my car because there was moose on the road (proud 48th parallel Quebecois here, after my town, NOTHING, Propagandhi only played here twice, in the past it used to be that both ways coming from the west or south to come here were on 2 of the most dangerous roads in Canada..but now we got a 4 lane, electrified gates (not too much, so the moose don't hurt, just go like "damnit, and turn away". and believe me, as the most Ecological province in Canada (BC doesn't come close, neither does their weed hah), there's a watchdog type of organization that doesn't exist in other provinces that can basically prevent the construction of anything if it deems it ecologically damaging to degrees that are not acceptable. Speaking of weed, I shall now stop typing and just enjoy the music and have a baileys coffee, happy holidays Mr. Polytheist :) Oh you were just praising them as gods...well musically, indeed they are, lyrically, the latest album is the most straight-up since TETA, I think there wasn't a single swear in Potemkin City Limits? (their God-level accessing album, especially as a 3 piece still).
@@severed111 I'm genuinely curious (and at the same time being a bit snotty) when I ask why on earth are you tracking "swear" words in Propagandhi's music?
I just laughed when they almost went: "I'm really surprised it didn't suck" LOL Their humility is comedic at this point but it feels honest. Seems like they're surprised/shocked that people listen to them. Legends! Great album.
love everything thing u guys done and even with the different line ups it always sounds like you as in i can tell thats propagandhi i am a bit late on this one except the first track was put out and it was so relevant to me as a young man and we did sit down and have a drink hope to sit down and have a drink with you again as old men and i would travel 1400 km again to do it will never forget that wild week end in Sydney peace and love lloydy ps hope you still have the photo from the back yard o and I got the viynal delivered the other day guess what color it is beer color i no i am 50 but I love those juvenile moments peace and love again lloydy
severed111 lol we're not that far apart bro!! But hell yeah!! "And I'm just a kid...and I can't believe I have to worry about this kind of shit"!!! Lol
HTCE's best song to me (they made a single out of it with Pigs Will Pay as recorded in the HTCE session on the B-side) was Stick That Fucking Flag...I liked it pretty much all but some songs I knew they did just to fuck around like This Might Be Satire laughing at Lookout! Recs type of bands (although SW were once legit, Boogadax3 is still an awesome apolitical but very fun and angry at the silliest of things). Less Talk really opened my eyes, with that huge pamphlet as a CD insert, nothing was typical, although my rich friend had the CD, I had the cassette, of course, I had a CD-ROM before a CD player on my little good quality stereo, that even played digital cassettes! Which my dad was actually fooled into thinking they were catching on...it would have been nice but nope..they didn't. All that rambling to say, I wasn't that original, there's a show online they did where they played this song in '10s and Chris went "and I'm 38!". I wish I had half the wit this guy does, and he says he's an idiot..he's not and he had more effect on me than being presented a Chomsky book first would have done. They validate punk as a gateway into truth more than any other current band, even Bad Religion whom I like really much, except for a couple albums in the late 90's and the one that came out in 2000, when the drummer from Suicidal Tendencies and Gurewitz joined back they were good again, they come in second now to me if we're thinking of active punk bands. Although MDC and the DK's especially will always float over as the precursor of sorts..what a stupid world, indeed, but it is actually less stupid now than when they wrote Nation States, the elites are uneasy, Zbignew Brezezinski (that fucker happens to be Canadian before being American if you didn't know) for the last years of his life feared that their plans were failing in some areas and that a global consciousness was arising which they could do nothing about....I always listen to the enemy when they discuss between themselves, it's all over plainly on the internet, they don't hide it at all, hell the Council on Foreign Relations has a podcast! Oh well, enough now, friendly high-five from another Propagandhi fan to you.
It does in some songs, but the lyrics are just as usual, even with some more swears than they used to have phased out, at least in quantity since PCL, but Lower Order might be the poppiest song they put out in 2 decades, but the lyrics makes any meat eater feel kind of bad, I know it does for me and I eat red meat once every 2-3 weeks and white meat once a week. I go fishing a lot when its time and catch a lot of trout, more than the government allows me, but fuck them and their licenses, fuck government in general :)
I would say Failed States felt very frantic. Absolutely love that album though. There are progressions and melodies on that record that coupled with Chris' voice, it's just beautiful to hear as a fellow musician and songwriter.
I saw them for their first ever SO CAL visit release party for How to clean everything. Good riddance opened up for them ... they were a 3 piece back then
Poor Chris, he deserves a script for some Restoril or something, I start to hallucinate after not sleeping for 2 days. Restoril is what I got scripted for when I had to work nights for 2 weeks then day for 2 weeks etc. over and over. Especially that I still lived in a student dorm even if I was done with coolidge. It's an old med that's still prescribed because it works. He used to drink a hell lot "I drink myself to sleep because..." I remember, so maybe for his own good, maybe something not as strong, maybe just Valium. Better act as a conduit for other "races" (this whole race thing is pseudo-science, we're all the same, we're only 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% different from each other (not sure about the number of zeros there, but I think they usually use the upper bar to indicate infinite for that. To me it doesn't matter if the person is white, yellow, pink, whatever, so long as they bear the compassion they need to have if you're going to bother being in a punk band, a real one, not just a watered down version of an already just barely punk band (what MxPx were as to NOFX were/are). I don't mind them being on Epitaph, Brett Gurewitz/Greg Graffin were always only peripherally related to some of the so-cal punk bands that were very homophobic as Chris says. Lagwagon weren't either when they were 100% legit (first 3 albums, when Derek Plourde was the drummer, after Hoss they fell apart and now only can put out 3-4 good songs per album when 3/4 of the original band left after that album). For those who are confused....give Island of Shame by Lagwagon a listen, opener from their best album. I got the How To Clean A Couple 'O Things 7" and they thank them and Lag does the same in "Trashed". Some people use way too large of a brush when talking about the original Fat/Epitaph bands. In the 90's, things started going to shit when Blink 182 released that retarded album with their Mega-Ultra-faux-punk Mohawked overrated fart in the wind that was Travis Barker and that AWFUL fucking song we heard everywhere "what's my age again?" That's when things went to shit, and why hardcore punk started to get bigger and bigger in the small scenes as a rejection to the skapunk and the overly poppy "punk rock" that was everywhere then. And when ska lost popularity, a lot, they started to be emo kids when they had no idea what the hell emo was, they heard AFI (my god am I hesitant to mention AFI...when it was Davey with acomplete different band with him for their first 7 inches and 3 first LP's, they were a great hardcore punk band then Davey got obsessed with the Misfits and then emo after that, he's the biggest reason that emos and goths became the same thing, which is hilarious. Alright, rambled enough, back to podcasting where I can run my big mouth and it won't show as a wall of text.
+Scott Beckett Actually, we should have a third video with them up sortly that covers the travel dynamic (Sulynn lives in the U.S.) and features Sulynn more prominently. Just had some editing delays, but it should be up before the end of the week.
It's always hard to figure out these things. Sure, maybe Chris wrote most of it. Beave was involved too. They said the plan was to have him still write and record, just not tour. He's credited 'only' as extra guitars, so I guess that's not the case, but it indicates he had was involved. Laughing Stock, Victory Lap, and (I think?) Failed Imagineer were played while he was touring, so there's a chance he was part of composing at least those. Anyway, it's not like Chris would be deliberately underplaying Sulynn's role. Let's wait for that other video!
She didn't contribute to the writing, she added guitar parts after the songs were structured and recorded. Chris said it was mostly the three of them writing (Chris, Todd, Jord), and just him and Todd even for much of it.
Todd writes both guitar and bass for his songs. Second guitarists like Sulynn or The Beave before her is to make things sound like they do on records that would be impossible live because of studio trickery (They didn't play live as a 3 piece for long after releasing Potemkin City Limits, the trendsetter for what they would be for the rest of the time, it had a lot of second guitar on top of another. Chris as talented as he is likely got tired of having to write for 2 people, musically. It's not like say real metal bands, especially those from the 80's/early 90's, who indicate in the lyrics sheet who wrote the lyrics and the music for every song, even write in who is playing which solo at what time. Speaking of which I really enjoy the new album, Chris wouldn't say it, he might think that we only have hope as people will get so disenchanted with the system that it's gonna break. Hence, the stupidity of the system and the way it is fighting back right now, say, some American and Canadian universities making the promotion of BDS illegal....sure do what you want, but people won't be denouncing to anybody that one is boycotting products made in "Israel" and occupied Palestinian territories. You can't stop a boycott by making it illegal, can't force people to buy shit they don't want. My only beef is that there's no solo exchanges like Chris and the Beave used to do. The Flensing of Sandor Katz ending is so amazing, those 3 solos one after the other still raise the hair on the back of my neck.
I love Propagandhi and this is the first album that has brought me to tears. Maybe I’m getting old now, but that’s a good thing!
How did it bring you to tears?
@@jeff7764 Adventures in Zoochosis gets me as a new father. Particularly when he says “grab your little brother’s hand and run like the wind”. Lower Order just crushes me.
@@chrisfriesen5461 Albright Monument Baghdad, Potemkin City Limits, Bringer of Greater Things and Purina definitely strike some emotions in me as well
most humbly inspiring canadians alive
I like what Sulynn says about the "colour" of the albums. Makes sense. Every album definitely has a different shade or hue
Decades later.....Still punk's GOAT!!! 🐐🤘🌝🤘
Propagandhi just gets better every album. I don't think they could ever disappoint me. Even if they decided to put out a do wop album I think I would be like this is the best do wop album I've ever heard.
The sonic quality of this album is amazing guys. Love Love Love it!
I think the next album will really coalesce their new kinda prog punk / metal sound .
god this band is excellent. cop just out of frame is in my top 3 favorite songs of all time. it's just perfect.
thanks Jord ;D
Gods (even if they don't wanna acknowledge it)!
Chris after he had some DMT (Duplicate Keys Icaro) or shrooms or LSD or something, but I would bet he'd prefer something fully natural so, DMT or shrooms or mescaline on their travels in the south of the US/Mexico..real mescaline from the few forms of cacti that produce it, peyote and san pedro (peyote is illegal except for the Navajo Native Church or such in the US...making a plant illegal..anybody who believes in a God cannot be for this..anyway..)..he seems to think there's something, but it's nothing we know about, maybe it's just fantasy. Michael Persinger a famous neurologist from a university in Ontario, I forgot one, but he's done Health Canada approved experiments with psychedelics and also people who were just claiming to have extreme "communicative" effects when praying and the fMRI machines was showing that they both activate more than normal parts of the brain in the temporal lobes. So we're wired to believe, I'm an atheist but if something awful is about to happen or thankfully didn't happen, I'll go "oh dear god, holy shit, god god god..." say after almost killing myself in my car because there was moose on the road (proud 48th parallel Quebecois here, after my town, NOTHING, Propagandhi only played here twice, in the past it used to be that both ways coming from the west or south to come here were on 2 of the most dangerous roads in Canada..but now we got a 4 lane, electrified gates (not too much, so the moose don't hurt, just go like "damnit, and turn away". and believe me, as the most Ecological province in Canada (BC doesn't come close, neither does their weed hah), there's a watchdog type of organization that doesn't exist in other provinces that can basically prevent the construction of anything if it deems it ecologically damaging to degrees that are not acceptable. Speaking of weed, I shall now stop typing and just enjoy the music and have a baileys coffee, happy holidays Mr. Polytheist :)
Oh you were just praising them as gods...well musically, indeed they are, lyrically, the latest album is the most straight-up since TETA, I think there wasn't a single swear in Potemkin City Limits? (their God-level accessing album, especially as a 3 piece still).
@@severed111 I'm genuinely curious (and at the same time being a bit snotty) when I ask why on earth are you tracking "swear" words in Propagandhi's music?
I just laughed when they almost went: "I'm really surprised it didn't suck" LOL
Their humility is comedic at this point but it feels honest. Seems like they're surprised/shocked that people listen to them.
Legends! Great album.
love everything thing u guys done and even with the different line ups it always sounds like you as in i can tell thats propagandhi i am a bit late on this one except the first track was put out and it was so relevant to me as a young man and we did sit down and have a drink hope to sit down and have a drink with you again as old men and i would travel 1400 km again to do it will never forget that wild week end in Sydney peace and love lloydy ps hope you still have the photo from the back yard o and I got the viynal delivered the other day guess what color it is beer color i no i am 50 but I love those juvenile moments peace and love again lloydy
my favorite band of all times and I'm 41!
And I'm 36, I can't believe I gotta worry about this kind of shit!
severed111 lol we're not that far apart bro!! But hell yeah!! "And I'm just a kid...and I can't believe I have to worry about this kind of shit"!!! Lol
What a stupid world!!!
HTCE's best song to me (they made a single out of it with Pigs Will Pay as recorded in the HTCE session on the B-side) was Stick That Fucking Flag...I liked it pretty much all but some songs I knew they did just to fuck around like This Might Be Satire laughing at Lookout! Recs type of bands (although SW were once legit, Boogadax3 is still an awesome apolitical but very fun and angry at the silliest of things). Less Talk really opened my eyes, with that huge pamphlet as a CD insert, nothing was typical, although my rich friend had the CD, I had the cassette, of course, I had a CD-ROM before a CD player on my little good quality stereo, that even played digital cassettes! Which my dad was actually fooled into thinking they were catching on...it would have been nice but nope..they didn't. All that rambling to say, I wasn't that original, there's a show online they did where they played this song in '10s and Chris went "and I'm 38!". I wish I had half the wit this guy does, and he says he's an idiot..he's not and he had more effect on me than being presented a Chomsky book first would have done. They validate punk as a gateway into truth more than any other current band, even Bad Religion whom I like really much, except for a couple albums in the late 90's and the one that came out in 2000, when the drummer from Suicidal Tendencies and Gurewitz joined back they were good again, they come in second now to me if we're thinking of active punk bands. Although MDC and the DK's especially will always float over as the precursor of sorts..what a stupid world, indeed, but it is actually less stupid now than when they wrote Nation States, the elites are uneasy, Zbignew Brezezinski (that fucker happens to be Canadian before being American if you didn't know) for the last years of his life feared that their plans were failing in some areas and that a global consciousness was arising which they could do nothing about....I always listen to the enemy when they discuss between themselves, it's all over plainly on the internet, they don't hide it at all, hell the Council on Foreign Relations has a podcast! Oh well, enough now, friendly high-five from another Propagandhi fan to you.
The cash. as a distant second of course.
todays empires, tomorrows ashes.
Comply/Resist hit me harder than any song has in the last 10 years.
He's very correct. I have the guitar tab book for Failed States and that record is a nuclear jackhammer...... both lyrically and musically.
The mood is definitely different. The new album has a lighter feel.
It does in some songs, but the lyrics are just as usual, even with some more swears than they used to have phased out, at least in quantity since PCL, but Lower Order might be the poppiest song they put out in 2 decades, but the lyrics makes any meat eater feel kind of bad, I know it does for me and I eat red meat once every 2-3 weeks and white meat once a week. I go fishing a lot when its time and catch a lot of trout, more than the government allows me, but fuck them and their licenses, fuck government in general :)
Fuck yeah.
I would say Failed States felt very frantic. Absolutely love that album though. There are progressions and melodies on that record that coupled with Chris' voice, it's just beautiful to hear as a fellow musician and songwriter.
I saw them for their first ever SO CAL visit release party for How to clean everything. Good riddance opened up for them ... they were a 3 piece back then
I still have my How to clean everything shirt .. it’s BADASS
i can't believe i lived until i was 46 and never heard this band.
That’s unfortunate, but at least you found them now
Poor Chris, he deserves a script for some Restoril or something, I start to hallucinate after not sleeping for 2 days. Restoril is what I got scripted for when I had to work nights for 2 weeks then day for 2 weeks etc. over and over. Especially that I still lived in a student dorm even if I was done with coolidge. It's an old med that's still prescribed because it works. He used to drink a hell lot "I drink myself to sleep because..." I remember, so maybe for his own good, maybe something not as strong, maybe just Valium.
Better act as a conduit for other "races" (this whole race thing is pseudo-science, we're all the same, we're only 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% different from each other (not sure about the number of zeros there, but I think they usually use the upper bar to indicate infinite for that. To me it doesn't matter if the person is white, yellow, pink, whatever, so long as they bear the compassion they need to have if you're going to bother being in a punk band, a real one, not just a watered down version of an already just barely punk band (what MxPx were as to NOFX were/are). I don't mind them being on Epitaph, Brett Gurewitz/Greg Graffin were always only peripherally related to some of the so-cal punk bands that were very homophobic as Chris says. Lagwagon weren't either when they were 100% legit (first 3 albums, when Derek Plourde was the drummer, after Hoss they fell apart and now only can put out 3-4 good songs per album when 3/4 of the original band left after that album). For those who are confused....give Island of Shame by Lagwagon a listen, opener from their best album. I got the How To Clean A Couple 'O Things 7" and they thank them and Lag does the same in "Trashed". Some people use way too large of a brush when talking about the original Fat/Epitaph bands. In the 90's, things started going to shit when Blink 182 released that retarded album with their Mega-Ultra-faux-punk Mohawked overrated fart in the wind that was Travis Barker and that AWFUL fucking song we heard everywhere "what's my age again?" That's when things went to shit, and why hardcore punk started to get bigger and bigger in the small scenes as a rejection to the skapunk and the overly poppy "punk rock" that was everywhere then. And when ska lost popularity, a lot, they started to be emo kids when they had no idea what the hell emo was, they heard AFI (my god am I hesitant to mention AFI...when it was Davey with acomplete different band with him for their first 7 inches and 3 first LP's, they were a great hardcore punk band then Davey got obsessed with the Misfits and then emo after that, he's the biggest reason that emos and goths became the same thing, which is hilarious. Alright, rambled enough, back to podcasting where I can run my big mouth and it won't show as a wall of text.
99 percent of bands adapt to the scene. Prop is the 1 percent. They transcend the notion of a scene.
Don't try this at home.
Maybe it sounds different because they have a new guitar player? Why don't they mention her?
+Scott Beckett Actually, we should have a third video with them up sortly that covers the travel dynamic (Sulynn lives in the U.S.) and features Sulynn more prominently. Just had some editing delays, but it should be up before the end of the week.
i was under the impression that Hannah wrote nearly all the guitar parts and she just played the second guitar on the recording, no?
It's always hard to figure out these things. Sure, maybe Chris wrote most of it. Beave was involved too. They said the plan was to have him still write and record, just not tour. He's credited 'only' as extra guitars, so I guess that's not the case, but it indicates he had was involved. Laughing Stock, Victory Lap, and (I think?) Failed Imagineer were played while he was touring, so there's a chance he was part of composing at least those. Anyway, it's not like Chris would be deliberately underplaying Sulynn's role. Let's wait for that other video!
She didn't contribute to the writing, she added guitar parts after the songs were structured and recorded. Chris said it was mostly the three of them writing (Chris, Todd, Jord), and just him and Todd even for much of it.
Todd writes both guitar and bass for his songs. Second guitarists like Sulynn or The Beave before her is to make things sound like they do on records that would be impossible live because of studio trickery (They didn't play live as a 3 piece for long after releasing Potemkin City Limits, the trendsetter for what they would be for the rest of the time, it had a lot of second guitar on top of another. Chris as talented as he is likely got tired of having to write for 2 people, musically. It's not like say real metal bands, especially those from the 80's/early 90's, who indicate in the lyrics sheet who wrote the lyrics and the music for every song, even write in who is playing which solo at what time.
Speaking of which I really enjoy the new album, Chris wouldn't say it, he might think that we only have hope as people will get so disenchanted with the system that it's gonna break. Hence, the stupidity of the system and the way it is fighting back right now, say, some American and Canadian universities making the promotion of BDS illegal....sure do what you want, but people won't be denouncing to anybody that one is boycotting products made in "Israel" and occupied Palestinian territories. You can't stop a boycott by making it illegal, can't force people to buy shit they don't want.
My only beef is that there's no solo exchanges like Chris and the Beave used to do. The Flensing of Sandor Katz ending is so amazing, those 3 solos one after the other still raise the hair on the back of my neck.