reviewers are 100% a part of The problem. what are reviewers here for - to change people's / customer base's minds. reviewers have been complaining about pricing NOT ENOUGH. INSTEAD THEY SHILL FOR STATUS QUO DEFENDING CORPORATIONS and shifting the blame to gamers. e.g. THEY CAN AND THEY SHOULD post short DAYLY VIDEOS about ngreedia's/ayyymd overprice TALKING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY. like "Day One of ripping ngreedia a new one for x3-4 times GPU overprice", "Day 2", "Day 3", and so on. where they compare current pricing with pre-mining prices. they can talk about ngreedia shifting up their stack making the 4050 to be 4060ti and pricing it like xx70ti cards of the past. and that the 4080 16GB with 30% less performance than the 4090 actually corresponds to xx70 cards level which before mining cost around 300 bucks and now they want $1200+ for that. THAT what tech reviewers should do EVERYDAY if they're really fighting for consumers and not shilling for a trillion dollar company. they CLEARLY DON'T do enough. instead they waste time shifting the blame to gamers. gamers which can't build a new PC with GPUs being insanely overpriced at all. also they should make other tech reviewers do similar videos talking about ngreedia's/ayyymd's overprice DAYLY, because THEY CAN. THAT IS DEFINITELY IN THEIR POWER TO DO. and don't act like a harmless pussies that can't do anything with "a trillion dollar company". because they DEFINITELY CAN FIGHT BETTER.
@@rawdez_ ok so do you know why reviewers complain about the prices when it is relevant and move on to other content rather than constantly saying the same things 5 times a day. because that's bad content like to do that is just not good content and the world becomes numb, nvidia doesn't care and wont care even if the price is yelled about. nvidia has shown with the drop in sales from gaming they haven't cared because they always have other revenues. amd ableist adjusted the price of the 7600 so its not terrible value but even so until intel's next gpu drop amd just don't have to care because they will be competing against themselves. They don't care about you or negative reviews anymore so settle down bud
@@theonelad3028 blah-blah-blah, fu, shill. >complain about the prices when it is relevant it is relevant NOW and continues to be relevant until prices drop to pre-mining levels. so they should keep talking about insane x3-4 times overprice non-stop BUT THEY DEFEND CORPORATIONS and BLAME GAMERS instead. moreover its not like pre-mining prices were cheap, ngreedia made billions in profits even then in 2016 and before. now with their insane overprice and ridiculous margins they make tens of billions dollars in profits. corporations are actually AFRAID AF of bad coverage, their f-ng stock might drop if there's constant nagging about their bad practices, the only problem is tech reviewers are turned out to be a bunch of pussies who like to "maintain neutrality" aka "lick corporations' asses" to be in good relationships with companies like ngreedia or ayyymd and get review samples from them before launches so their content gets more views.
@@theonelad3028 ps the 7600 is a slow overpriced AF 8GB low-VRAM DOA piece of crap intended for 2016 games. in 2023 games it craps out. to buy the 7600 instead of cheaper higher VRAM used GPUs is to sign off at being stupid AF. we aren't in 2016 anymore and GPUs MUST BE WAY BETTER/FASTER in 2023. its just morally obsolete crap with performance thats enough for 2016 but not for 2023. 1440p 144Hz+ monitors are the new norm in 2023 because they cost around $250-300. ngreedia and ayyymd act like we're stuck in 2016 and should buy their slow crippled low-VRAM overpriced x3-4 times crap GPUs for extreme budget entry-level 1080p gaming. and yes, 1080p is extreme budget entry-level, GPUs for 1080p gaming shouldn't cost more than 1080p monitors, so 100-150 bucks max.
@@theonelad3028 before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks. currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past. even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke. 400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER. it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves. DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end. ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
I remember buying a sound card and having to move it around into different slots and manually change the IRQ assignment until I found one that would work and also not conflict with another device. There was no documentation or forum to find information on what settings should work. Maybe you could stumble across a useful post on a newsgroup, but most of the time you had to talk to the old grognard in your neighborhood and hope the solution didn't involve a soldering iron! There were occasional good things about the old days though. I remember when you could unlock I believe it was a Celeron just by using a pencil to draw a line between two contacts and get one of the best value overclockable parts Intel ever accidentally made. EDIT: Correction, it was the AMD Duron, not the Intel Celeron. Thanks Will Reid!
IRQ conflicts were well understood and typically well documented in the manual in the 80s and 90s. You just had to bother to read them. The CPU you're thinking of that required a pencil created "trace" was an AMD Duron.
@@WilReid Yes, the Duron! I knew someone would remember that better than I do. ANyway, my stupid Sound Blaster 16 (at least I think it was a 16, it has been a while!) was singularly unhelpful about managing IRQ conflicts. So much so that it left an impression on me even after all these years. I just wanted to play Wing Commander with my little PC speakers!
I had an IRQ conflict with my Sound Blaster Pro 1.0 and my printer, of all things. IRQ 7 was shared with LPT1 (the printer port) and it usually wasn't a problem because most of the time we weren't playing digital sounds while printing. However, if there was an especially long print job that had a few dozen pages then the After Dark screen saver would kick in... and all the cool screen savers had sound effects that needed IRQ 7 to be played! In hindsight I could have changed the sound card to use IRQ 5 instead, but I was hesitant to since that was also very likely shared with the hard drive controller. It was definitely gaming uphill both ways in the snow!
I'd say we are at the end of a technical era. So much technology reaches the the end of their practicality. 400W GPUs, CPUs that throttle on the best air cooler available on the market, PCIe SSDs that need active cooling - you get the idea, I want the performance improvements but I don't want to buy expensive room heaters. It also reflects poorly on advancements in technology in the past decade. We need more breakthroughs on all fronts and companies willing to take more risks in R&D; also to drive down costs and power consumption.
I disagree. Would you be happier if 4090 didn't exists, and the top of the line card would be 140w 4070? If there's a market for enthusiast suff, then why not make it?
@@Sinier940n I'd rather enjoy 4090 performance at 140W for the price of the 4070 (or better!), that's for sure. ;) There is a place for ultra enthusiast products that push the boundaries, but please not with brute force (die size / power consumption) but with more clever engineering (HBM3, better interconnects to the CPU, or other cool new technology that is costly but brings real benefits for the users that can afford it).
By the way there was a great video from Lisa Su talking about the improvements neccessary in the data center over the next decade and the technical means to get there. Let's hope some of the things she mentioned in that presentation trickle down to the consumer market eventually.
I keep a spreadsheet of my hardware expenses. In 1999 I paid more than 600 for a 18 GB HD. In my current build there isn't a component that exceeds 400. PC gaming doesn't have to be expensive. So long as you gradually upgrade with price/performance in mind.
Seeing the 4k series of cards perform the same as 3k series cards at a 25% increase in cost, having a problem with that isn't being spoiled. It's having common sense. Frankly, as supply and production increase, prices should decrease. They are not, and that alone shows the direction this is going. PC gaming is no longer a niche, small market with very amounts of components being sold to just enthusiasts. It's a mainstream market. If you want to buy a GPU today, you have to pay the extra for the gimmicks Nvidia or AMD want to include regardless of whether they do anything.
My problem is that for the last 6 years i could not rationalize spending money on any Hardware for the gaming PC... and now that i kicked the first Domino over, everything else will have to follow in quick succession. 7700K -> 7800X3D (last month) GTX1080 -> RTX4070 (this month). I'd rather would have gone for a 4080 or 7900XTX ... but at those prices, i just can't justify any of it. 4070... 620€ ... is the boring reasonable choice and i'm desperate enough now. Monitor is next on the shopping list because keeping this system on a 1080p TN panel would be a crime (144Hz G-Sync and 27" is GOOD, but its time for something with actual picture quality, not just fast and smooth)... i just don't know what screen to even go for right now.
@@Xibyth I completely agree with you that the marginal improvement of the current gen does not warrant the price hike. But as you look at it in retrospect. It would appear that we've become spoiled. I still own a brochure from the late nineties that features prebuilds. The prices then were outrages. For a midrange with an Intel Pentium II you had to shell out 4500. 😳
Back in the days of Amiga PCs, a 30 MB hard drive was the biggest available in small form hhd, it cost me about $380 AU dollars, i bought another one too same price back then. So 60 MB for $760 , although programs were smaller and 60 MB was considered HEAPS enough MB. A 17" crt monitor back in the early 80's cost me just under $1000 AU dollars too. Yep, todays gamers are spoilt in value for $ compared to what we early PC users had to spend. ! Cheers.
I always say, For the family man who builds their kids computers, Chuck them an A770 and they are not likely to complain, you are more likely gonna wonder why the kid has turned 4k res ultra on a 1080p monitor and playing at like sub 30FPS, but he will fight you if you attempt to change it, he likes what he sees and he is happy. If something didnt work at all, the kid will ask you to fix it anyway.
I went with an all AMD upgrade for my PC. Cause i refused to support greedy NVIDIA. And i upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1700 + RTX 3070 to Ryzen 9 7950X3D + RX 7900 XTX. In hopes that by going with AMD, there could be better competition in the future between these companies. In reality, i think PCs are becoming more and more of a niche due to the awfully increased prices for the high end hardware. Which has never been this expensive. And it's all so unfair to the buyers to get ripped off with every new gen. Because of limitless corporate greed. Maybe there's just some small hope left for lower pricing in the future, but it's very unlikely. Everything's been getting worse in this industry in general. And that's a fact.
I just built for the first time in 20 years and the thing that sucks is walled garden proprietary stuff and there aren’t enough places like microcenter. When I was 12 I could spend hours at Frys
I wasn't a kid, but I remember the days when it was Best Buy, Circuit City and CompUSA. I remember waiting outside Comp to get a "huge" 10GB HDD for $100.
I remember when goldeneye 64 used to give smooth frame rates when scrolling against a wall lol and the game was like a slideshow everywhere else at 10-15 fps but was considered the “pinnacle” of fps back then
I'll just continue to be a generation or two behind on my PC upgrading because that's what my wallet has been dictating to me, and without this sounding like "sour grapes" that hasn't been a bad way to go. Yesterday's hardware and technology really hasn't been all that hard to live with today. But no , no consoles here. 🖥
The expectations have risen extremely. When I was a kid and the first PCs came out it was like this: - 20 FPS yeah can give that game a try - 35 FPS it gets good playable - 60 FPS perfect, a dream comes true - maximum possible
so why are you defending stagnation and no progress in technology IF YOU HAD IT? its not expectations problem, its corporations trying to maximize their profits by slowing down the progress. old farts advocating for obsolete slow crap hardware so prices wouldn't drop is the problem. the 4090 can't even run all games on midrange 1440p 144Hz monitors with all eye-candy turned on and without using upscale trickery. its not even a 4k card. and yes, 1440p 144Hz+ monitors ARE MIDRANGE if not budget already, look at their prices. there are great MODERN NEW 1440p 144Hz+ monitors for 250-300 bucks. try to find any great 1440p-class GPUs that can run MODERN games with truly MODERN ENGINE (not morally obsolete patched though the roof old crap engine) at 144+ FPS for 250-300 bucks. 1080p is extreme budget by now. 1080p is obsolete extreme budget level monitors, nobody should make or buy GPUs for more than 100 bucks for 1080p. if you deem that a 500 bucks GPU should be a 1080p GPU you're braindead, or more likely you're NGREEDIA SHILL, or even more likely you're both. 1440p is a starting point in 2023. just like 12GB VRAM should be. 1080p GPUs literally should be A VERY BUDGET GPUs with prices around 100 bucks. a 400 bucks GPU with 8GB VRAM is laughable and SHOULD BE RIDICULED as it is morally obsolete dead on arrival overpriced AF piece of crap. everyone who defends that stupid overpriced AF abomination of a GPU should be cast away from internet forever and never be allowed to any places where respectable people a 4090 shouldn't even be a halo product. its a midrange-level card if you assess it by what it actually can do. NGREEDIA doesn't make faster GPUs not because it can't but because they milk the market. before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks. currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past. even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke. 400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER. it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves. DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end. ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
Now you are a peasant if you only have a 144Hz monitor, and for some reason 1080p 240Hz is so popular, I have a backup 23.8 inch 1080p 60Hz and the pixel density on that is just terrible, my 31" 1440p looks so much better
"kids these days" comments are so clueless. We older people are the ones who were spoiled. When I was a teenager, it was possible to support yourself on a minimum wage job and have a little leftover for entertainment. And the games these days are horrible. Most of them are nothing more than a front for microtransactions, and the games themselves are usually crap because the developers only care about making you buy more in-game currency. The PC building market is terrible compared to what I remember when I was younger. They charge too much for what the parts are worth, them won't replace them after said parts set themselves on fire in your computer. Don't you DARE pull that "kids these days" nonsense.
@@Safetytrousers "No GPU has ever caught fire" I remember in very early 99 I had a PCI version of the Voodoo Banshee card, and I had to add extra fans for my PC to try, and keep that thing cool, and even then one night while I was online I started smelling smoke, and then through the vent holes on the side panel I could see fire so I quickly shut off my PC, and pulled the card out, 2 of the VRMS on that card had got so hot they caught on fire, and set off the smoke alarm waking up my mother, and stepdad having them yell at me LOL! So don't ever tell me a GPU has never caught on fire as I've had it happen to me!!
@@Safetytrousers What about the Nvidia GPUs with the High voltage connectors melting, sparking and catching on fire from not being seated properly? yes that's actually a thing, and several channels like GamersNexus for example have made videos about it.
@@CommodoreFan64 The 40 series has not caught fire. There are no flammable materials involved if melting occurs. And GN's first attempt at making the connector melt failed.
Two of my favourite Tech Commentors of all time. The Dream Team Duo of PC Commentory. Dudes, i have been reading and listening to, now watching, you guys for twenty years, if not more and now i am actually asking my teenage daughter to read your articles and watch your videos. Here's to twenty more years and thank you both...
My into to PC gaming problems was trying to play Painkiller. The game said you need a graphics card to play it, so you go out and buy one at Circuit City. Then you get home and try to shove an AGP card into a motherboard with PCI (not express) only. Turns out you were never meant to game on a pre-built in the first place, but you didn't know any better because you're 8 years old. After that turn off I didn't get into PC gaming until college.
i encountered the exact same thing when i bought my first videocard, but i then started learning about pc's and found out that our store actually scammed us by selling a crap pc instead of the pentium 3 500mhz we paid for. So from that moment on, i've always built my own pc's
can you at least narrow it down to what people are complaining about? i dont think people are complaining about pc cases. these recent influx of chinese brands are forcing western brands to be more competitive CPU? a fairly healthy market, and the price/performance ratio has never been better cooling? the enthusiasts are enjoying their LCD AIOs right now, while more and more brands competing in the budget sub $50 market RAM? DDR5 is a little pricey as expected, but they will go down eventually like with DDR4 SSD? gen 4 (gen 3 even) nvme already does everything you need to, and you can get a 1tb for dirt cheap, even dramless SSDs work really well we are, however, complaining about the prices of motherboards and GPUs and these complaints are well deserved :)
1000%. old farts just defending GPUs being x3-4 times overpriced shilling for ngreedia. everything else is priced okayish because nobody needs new fast RAM/SSDs/CPUs/etc. without freaking GPUs for adequate money.
The computer i started on was a kaypro 2. I ran cpm, my dad used dbase2 regularly, and it came with a small selection of games using ascii graphics. I used it to instant message my dad on a business trip in 1985. It had an option for a 20mb hdd, but the one we had only used dual 5 1/4 floppy drives. I was 6. Now i have a 3090 and an hdr 1000 capable monitor. I dont actually need the 3090 for games but i also use it for other things, i wanted the 24gb of vram, id have been happy with 3080 performance. Boy do times change
Leo is completely right about UK phone network's and their signal, In December last year in my home town all the 4g cell towers were down for 7 days, Lucky I could use my WiFi calling feature with my phone otherwise it would be a real problem, Why were those cell towers were down... they were upgrading them with sub6 5g nodes, The irony of better service, For broadband in the UK the biggest problem we had in the early 90s was BT that company was not able to legally have it's own fiber network because the government wouldn't allow them to, As cable companies were making their own broadband network and it would harm competition bt were allowed to have fiber lines because they could crush all competition, I believe that's why most of the UK is bitter about broadband, Silly mistakes in the early 90s meant that in the early 00s when broadband took off in the uk the only companies who had good speed was those cable companies, But when they all merged into virgin media in 2006 it meant that there was only one fiber broadband company really and that prices went up, Though now with virgin media their whole uk broadband network can do gigabit speeds, But still it's one company that has a monopoly really, There is some rival gigabit companies but they are not in most places virgin are so again it's a problem with prices, BT is still a joke though as a company they want £40 a month for 30mb broadband speed sorry it's 2023 not 2007,
With the release of the 4070/ti and 4060ti used prices have been plummeting. A 3080 or 6800xt can be had for $350-400. Or for a bit less a 3070 or 6700xt for $250-$300.
@@thebcwonder4850 Maybe some of them, but I've bought two myself and have been running them for several months. No issues so far. I paid 400 for one and 350 for the other.
Another thing that's overlooked compared to the 90s and earlier 00s, every time you upgrade your gpu 2 generations or more, you've added more possible games that you can run for 10 next years at least.
I suspect I'm a bit older than these 2 youngsters...but they're spot on. My first PC (circa 1991) set me back $1500, and I did a lot of shopping which meant actually driving around to different shops (pre-internet ya know) Wasn't even a lot of choice...the x386 I got (inc. a massive 90MB hard drive) or a Macintosh for double that much (and that was 1991 $$...half what my car cost). No modem, but it was the first "mod" I added. Next was the most amazing thing (and had to save quite a while to buy)...a sound card! Changed everything ... Prodigy could actually "beep beep" at you.
I didn't build my first Gaming PC until 1998. The prebuilt I bought from Best Buy a few months earlier wasn't going to cut it for "Half-Life." That first one I built was with parts that I got at a computer fair.
"Spoiled" in this context means things have imporved a lot, which is great. As for PS/XBOX, that doesn't work because the game catalogue is fundamentally different. On PC you can emulate other consoles, play older games, mod games etc. It's completely different. That is also why I'm going for a case with 4 fans (which I find amazing), a mid range GPU (which is why I keep looking at leaks. To compare the upcoming current gen mid range vs previous mid to high end), lowest end current gen Ryezen (because I will most probably buy an AMD GPU and 7600 comes with a cooler) and so on. But even in mid range the prices are stupid. I also don't consider an Intel GPU because of the bad support for old APIs. I play games frrom 2005 regularly.
PS5/Xbox are really not a substitute for even a low-tier gaming pc, they don't cover the same needs. This is coming from someone who's got a gaming pc and a ps5, there are many things i can do on my pc that i could never do on my ps5
The problem is the XX80 series was always the go to for High End. The Enthusiast offering, the XX80TI was if you wanted to spend more for the best of the best, but it was not really a tier above. Now the XX90 class is literally the only tier that matter and they ask above TITAN price for it. They can rot on the shelves.
I still remember... playing Prince of Persia at my friend's home. It was 486, and PC was insanely expensive back then (the same number as today, but it was 1990 or so). I tried it and say ... man I think my SNES is way better than this. The game is great, and technically the PC might be better than that little console, but from the "toy" perspective it's much worse in both price and quality. I say "toy" because no one use it for actual work. Their parents don't use it professionally at all, it's their children's toys, basically. Back then unless you work for bank, or study engineering, no one uses PC at all, as far as I know. (My friend's brother study engineering so that's why he got the PC, although... he didn't really need it.). So if you think, "hey at least we can use it for work too", back then that's not a valid reason. PS. I've got my own PC (wow) a year later, it was AMD 386 one with color display to boot!. One of my uncle gave me when I was in 6th grade. I broke it by doing "low-level format", and we could not afford to fix it as the harddrive price (120MB) was too expensive back then.
I remember when you bought a $600 GPU (which is more like $800 after inflation in today's money) and you were happy to get 60 FPS on some very demanding ultra high end games at 1080p. Now you buy a $600 GPU, get 80fps in everything and 120fps after frame generation and DLSS at 1440p in some titles, and people complain.
Prices are not that bad today at all when you take inflation into account. I remember very well how expensive - even without adjusted pricing - the first Pentium II (the slot one with 233/266MHz) was. Bought it the first day it was available. It was really expensive for it's time and the MB situation was a nightmare but performance wise it was the best you could buy. Same is true for the 4090 today, difference is: I grew more wise, no longer spending large amounts of money on hardware. But I can understand very well when people do.
People were spoiled when we only had yo wait for drivers to install, rather than manually installing them, hoping they were compatible with our system and all our other devices and their drivers. Compatibility has come a long way, especially for budget builders. Nowadays when my PC gets squirelly, I just reinstall windows. Every program that can be installed off the OS drive is on a different drive, every personal file is off the OS drive. I can just plug in a USB drive, go mow the lawn and shower and boom, fresh everything ready to rock. I was a teenager in the 90s, but I remember not being able to leave the computer while changing anything for fear of destroying everything, or at the very least having to swap disk after disk after disk after coffee after coffee slamming your head into the keyboard when the tiniest thing derailed the while process.
I love when people talk about prices being so bad. So I paid what was a modest sum for a not latest Gen PC in 1988. I paid $2,000. This was at a time when I was making $2.35/hour. You can't find a job for less than $16.xx/hour in my Chicago suburb now. So unless your not latest Gen gaming PC is $16,000 your doing better.
This has to be a lie. If you paid $2000 with a $2.35 an hour wage and with taxes, this means that you had to save up for at least 25-30 weeks without spending a single penny on living expenses, investments or anything else. So you either are: A) Lying. B) Were a child who saved up and didn't have to purchase anything else C) a pure unabashed fool because you must've lived in poverty for this decision.
@@alexandrep4913 It wasn't a lie. I saved as this was important to me. I used every ounce of that machine to death as I pursued the dream. I got a nice career at Microsoft, fell ill and am now retired,. Thankfully I was very prudent with money and investing my entire life so despite being young I'm now retired very comfortably financially but without my health. It doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not. But I would suggest that my particulars can be ignored completely. Look up minimum wages, see how many hours it took to earn a machine at the time. Then compare that to now. You can also do that with average incomes. Heck you can even just use inflation numbers. You can take it even further and completely forget about inflation and just compare prices. There was a time when 386's were $10,000. For *that same money*, you could easily buy two 13900K setups with a 4090K and still have a lot of money left over.
SPOILED!?!? I'd say!!! WTF do they know about: Green screens? MS DOS? Having no mouse? No windows? Using a CRT or tubed tv/monitor? Dial-up modems? No cell phones? No Internet? 15 minutes of connection to local university computer if you were lucky. 5 1/4 floppies? HDD's? No TH-cam/TikTok/Twitter? AoL, Prodigy, Compuserve? Bulletin boards? Cassette recorder and typing hours of code to play a game? Dot matrix black/white only printers? 2mb ram? 16mb HDD? No wifi/bluetooth? One screen? No laptops? No ipads? Manual channeled tv's? UHF tv? TV antenna? self driven scooters/bikes? getting dirty? getting cuts/scrapes/bruises? drinking from a water hose? Rotary/corded telephones? Party line telephones? Dial tones? Telephone operators? TV going off-air at 11 pm? Mr. Whiffle? Madge? Netscape? Betamax/VHS? Cassettes? CD's? Records? 8-track tape? A radio? 45's/33 1/3's/78's? Fortran? Punch cards? Handwriting skills? Stickshift vehicles? ....and the list goes on and on ..... my first REAL computer was a Tandy 1000ex, from Radio Shack! Not that they'd know what a Radio Shack is ... my first real console [expensive back then] was a Sega Genesis. Before that a Commodore 64 with Donkey Kong!
8 track record players component cables *TV going off at 11pm and the Star Spangled Banner plays. These kids are taught that is "white supremacy" nowadays, even though many blacks and people of all ethnic backgrounds fought for their freedom since before the US was founded. *Don't drink from a water hose anymore. Fluoride added to the water along with many pesticides such as atrizine that is an estrogen mimicker(that along with soy food is making for many beta males). Filter your water nowadays.
The irony of complaining about complainers is hilarious. I'm not as old as the two gentlemen in the video but I'm likely older than the average gamer. While PC gaming is in a significantly better state when compared to 20 yrs ago, people have a right to be frustrated and express their frustration. In the relative scheme of things, complaining about pricing has very little appreciable effect on any of these multi-billion dollar corporations who have a tremendous amount of power in the company-consumer relationship. Boycotts generally have been ineffective. So, if people are frustrated and want to complain, really, who cares? It's harmless, it's fun, and it's ultimately a reflection of the passion and enthusiasm that people have for PC gaming. It's also what fuels consumption of PC tech channel content like this one. So, Gordon, respectfully, get off our lawns.
@@Safetytrousers Yeah... the thing is while the current gen cards are very powerful, in addition to being overpriced, they really aren't needed. They are nice to have but aren't necessities so they are a hard pass for me currently. There are fantastic deals on last gen cards. If I were building a system on a budget today, I'd get a RX 6700XT ($350) which is what I have in my LAN build. It's more than capable of playing current games at high frame rates.
My family had a pc since I was like 4 years old. I remember the only game I had at a time was original Doom. So I'm really attached to pc gaming and I can't really move away from it easily. I did buy a Nintendo Switch, but I can't spend hours playing on it (I'm ok with playing on controllers). For the simple fact that on pc when you are playing something it's easy to just alt-tab and to some work, check your social media and so on and so forth. Hell I can't imagine not being on Discord voice chat with friends. So when I'm playing Switch I'm often sitting at my pc/laptop so that I could talk to them or browse internet. Plus with all honesty while some games are better with controllers (Dark Souls, Death Stranding, Hades, etc) there is no argument that playing Civilization or Doom is better with KnM.
I definitely don't think PC hardware should cost as much as it does today, but I will agree that if you don't want to pay that price, you don't have to. There's always plenty of lower end/priced alternatives, and even consoles.
A console is kind of fine for gaming (the FPS could be higher, the input-latency lower and most of all consoles are not suitable for RTS-games unless you hook up a mouse and keyboard to an XBox) but many of us want to use a computer for more than just gaming, no matter how much we like to game.
I mean, while not to the same extreme, is this really fundamentally different from saying minorities today are a little spoiled because they're only systematically oppressed, blocked from vertical progression in the workplace, and a relatively small number are facing genocide or slavery, compared to 100 years ago? We should always strive for a better tomorrow. It doesn't matter if "that's just how it is", we demand better, because we can have better. Complacency is why right to repair even needs to be fought for today. Sure, things are better today in a lot of ways than they were in the 1940s for computing. So why do we stop and go backwards and say "gee we sure are spoiled"? Things are supposed to get better, and we as a people should always expect that they always will and always cry foul whenever they don't.
The sad reality is you are right. Gamers and PC gaming is such a small percentage of these companies portfolios.. that they dont give a shit about us, and we cant fight with our wallets to bring down pricing.. because they dont really need us. :(
if this where car prices, you will se no group of potential clients protesting for lower prices 😂... Nvidia shouldn't give2fucks about people crying for high prices... it is what it is. don't like... go somewhere else
On that subject of sound cards, I refuse to use motherboard audio, no matter how good you think it is, it still can't keep up with a good add in sound card. I'm using a AE-7 and it's so much better than board audio 😁
Also you can use same sound card so, so many years. they are like monitors. they last! I have Toppings D90 dac as sound card and Toppings A90 as headphone amplifier. Overkill, but these will last to the end of my life and offer superior sound!
Absolutely. I AM SO TIRED of hearing people saying "I used to buy cheap gpu's in stores back when" no you didn't.... you bought old products that wasn't the newest for cheap prices. I remember buying the 7800GTX K0 from EVGA for $600 plus tax.... that was in 2005!!!! JUST BASED ON INFLATION, that same $600 TODAY is the same as spending $934.34.... 18 years of inflation.... So when that GPU was brand spanking new, is the same as buying a $900 GPU today.... and guess what, AMD sells their 7900xtx for 999.99 launch price. That's basically the same thing as buying a brand new gpu in 2005.... So this idea that "I used to spend less money" is bullshit. Its the same as it was, inflation just makes it look different. Same goes for lower end cards. A $200 ATI 9000 all-in-wonder pro, today, would be akin to spending money on a $350-400 dollar graphics card, which those cards do exist.... essentially things are GENERALLY the same price (yeah 4090 prices are insane but that doesn't count and also 4090 is still selling well). If the world inflation dropped, we would see lower prices.... and graphics cards would be cheaper. Technology generally isn't getting MORE expensive because 99.9% of the price can be explained away by inflation by itself.... so this idea that "it cost insane money to make a gpu" no it doesn't. It SEEMS that way because of inflation. INSTEAD of buying a console, buy those cheap mini pc's. Instead of $500 for a PS5 you can spend the same on an Beelink SER6 Pro 7735HS, 8 cores 16 threads and 12cu of 680m AMD graphics. Sure you can argue "not as graphically awesome as a ps5" but its a PC, you can do more with it. Don't want a cheap prebuilt, build one. for $200 more than a ps5 you can get more. intel 11700 cpu with cooler, cheap motherboard, ddr4 memory is stupid cheap right now, cheap 512gb or 1tb nvme, AMD 6600 gpu, cheap case, and cheap psu.... bam, solid build. and its upgradable unlike the ps5. so later down the road you want more gpu performance, shell out more for a faster gpu as an upgrade instead of buying "another console"..... long term PC is just a smarter buy. you figure you paid $500 for a ps5. when the next console comes out, probably another $500.... meanwhile you can snag a whole new gpu for $500 to pair with that 11700 cpu and get MORE performance. so you just upgraded and can play way better graphically intense games at higher fps. its just better to be on PC.
Spoiled? The highest tier GPU cost me a few hundred NZD when I began building PCs last century. Now the average RTX 4090 is $4K NZD ($2.5K USD). Incomes have not increased by a similar amount. Not even close. Building a PC with the most bleeding edge, top tier parts available was far more affordable before these kids became so spoiled. Tech is way better now, so suck it up? Well, tech was way better then too. It was as cutting edge and amazing to us then as it is now, relatively speaking. You could build a best of everything PC without spending a quarter's worth of the average income. Replacing a top tier part that had just been superseded was done quite easily with this old school thing we called disposable income. Spoiled kids these days may have never heard of that kind of income. Spoiled kids these days use this thing they call credit, while joking about selling a kidney. What's more, one could leave school at 15 or 16 and get a good job, or become a ship's officer like I did as a high school drop out. A few years later one could buy a house and support a family. Now the average house in Auckland is over a million bucks. Couples on above average incomes get turned down for mortgages, because they do not earn enough. Generation Rent. Most folks under 40 have no realistic expectation of ever being able to afford a house. No wonder they are pissed off. Don't get me started on what I saw in the USA (the Rust Belt where whole towns are just about in ruins after the jobs were exported to greener pastures). Is Kit Guru a Tory? "Suck it up, or buy a console" is very Tory sounding.
So if Gordon is old guard, and I remember when he first showed up in magazines... But yeah, people are spoiled for choice, despite inflation. But really, I think that the haves that will pay whatever for top end components are far outnumbered by the rest of us, and it's really just a matter of people refusing to pay these inflated asking prices. Most of us got through the shortage and pandemic by turning the settings down until we got framerates we were good with. Keep doing that. AI isn't going to be the boon nVidia or AMD think it is. The legal issues haven't really begun to be worked out, - hell the use of AI in the legal system is already causing turmoil. But I'm more than fine letting nVidia wander off in search of AI profits leaving people with a handful of overpriced, bad value products. They started this never ending price escalation, and we'd be better off without them. They've abandoned power efficiency and actual performance increases in favor of AI offshoots for upscaling and frame generation. I'd like a card that doesn't cost twice the rest of the PC that can perform with all the software gimmicks turned off.
I built my first rig in 2003 all AMD rigs from Athlon 2500 Barton to the Phenom X4 945 in 2010 built ny first intel rig 2600k. 10 years later Ryzeb 3600 in 2020, but i remember exactly what the guy in the left says. HDDs costing arm and a leg, so many different websites fighting for you custom, the amount of useless crap you could buy in 2003 onwards abd probably before that
Definitely the douchiest rant I'll hear today. Sorry, but no, there is no "suck it up" when companies are trying to bend consumers over like this. There is "vote with your wallet and don't buy it." When $400+ cards are sold as a 1080P solution, which was the standard 15 years ago, something is very wrong.
I think people forgot how it was My Pentium 166 MMX was $1000 CPU. Year later it was a garbage. GPU like voodoo after a year were obsolete. Your graphic card could be rendered obsolete because not supporting features/shaders in a year. Now people complain that game doesn't run smoothly on their 5 years old mid range GPUs Reality check Snowflakes
I think if AMD didn't try to follow the trend and hope people would not mind their high prices as well, this would be different. If the 7900XTX was a $800 card, they would not be able to produce enough to satiate the demand and then nVidia would not have such a strong leverage. Moreover they would maybe gain their old market share back instead of dipping to 10-12% After hunting for deals and selling my 1080ti I did buy a 4080. In the end it cost me less than €700 and that's a fair price for that GPU. Now I only was able to get it as cheap because my 1080ti sold for over 300... which it would not if the market had healthier prices overall. In short: I think this whole situation is much worse for those just getting into PC gaming and less for those already owning hardware they can sell before upgrade. A €700 upgrade after 6 years is basically what I did with the 1080ti back in 2017.
NVidia hasn't gone anywhere, they now make more money on Datacenter now, but they still push gaming hard, they are still funding game development to support their features, they are still working hard on next generation gaming cards. Just because they didn't deliver a big jump in performance this generation, doesn't mean it's over.
Or steam deck, as the ready-to-play handheld device form factor is here to stay and will always be dependable for finding an entry level model suiting your needs.
When I was a kid computers came with monitors that displayed 2 colors and we were happy just to play 1 game... kid these days have 16.8 million colors monitors with 100 game libraries and they still complain. Bunch of snowflake cry babies they be.
I have a slightly different take on GPU pricing. In 2015 I used SLI. So 2x GTX 980 tis at $698 each. They were upgraded to 2x GTX 1080 tis at $760 each. When I heard that Nvidia was ditching SLI I was a bit confused since they had a large customer base buying 2x GPUs fpt SLI. Then the RTX 2080 ti happened and it all made sense. They produced 1 GPU to replace SLI and charged SLI prices. They knew we would pay since we have been paying for years. My 1080 ti SLI setup cost about the same as my 4090 so I have no reason to be upset about pricing.
Honestly, I don't really see pc gaming these days as being much worse than it used to. anyone without much cash can run anything at 1080p with a used gpu. Shure, the ceiling went up, but you can still easily play most games worth playing on a budget. Wouldn't mind 200$ 4k 240hz gaming, but wouldn't be immensly happier with it eather. frankly, as steam deck at 800p will get you enough games that you won't be able to keep up with the amount being released these days.
Yep. If you can't afford to play in the PC space or can no longer afford it get a console. You can get an Xbox X and a PS5 for the price of one low to mid-range gaming PC. And that's without a monitor or a decent keyboard, mouse, table, chair, broadband, etc. And the space you need in your crib to put all that stuff. LOL!!! It's outrageous.
I remember seeing graphics on a computer screen for the first time. GRAPHICS! Games that weren't just text. Then, COLOR graphics! (4 colors, to be exact - CGA) Then, 256 color 320x240 15fps! The jump from there really was 3dfx Voodoo with the first true 3D graphics. And these guys are talking about 20GB hard drives. Try 20MB :)
I got a MSI RX6750xt for $330, brand new off Amazon a few weeks ago (granted it was on a sale) but still. I replaced a 980ti I got back in 2015. While I wish graphics cards were cheaper, I paid 600 for the 980ti and it was top tier back then (I think 2k for a single component in a consumer product is nuts). But Nvidia is making bank off AI cards, why would they slow down for cards they can't make such a premium off of? Mostly I'm happy that hardware is such that performance is sufficient to buy and keep for many years. I'll likely not change my hardware for another 7-8yrs... and I'll probably still be able to games at near top graphics settings (except for ray tracing).
But using 4 slots of DDR5 will make it slower overall... so you have less performance of it, if you use only a fraction of the ram. so more money is not always more better.
@@Eleganttf2 it applies to ddr4, but not to such an extend. f.e. in an intel system with 2 sticks on a z790 you can get f.e. 7ghz and above, but with 4 sticks maybe 6400 if at all. its the same with amd. you could increase voltage to uncomfortable levels to get the gap closer, but i think the voltage on the ram side gets a problem less fast, then the voltage for ram at the cpu side, because of higher energy density there.
OK, I'll go old school and go further back to my 286 running DOS 3.3 on a 40MB hdd that it had to partition bec it couldn't do more than 32mb partitions. Playing test drive 2 on my "gaming rig"
4:50 this is all fine, but the living wages have not moved up for so long so it makes owning houses and nice things, just simply impossible to attain for the majority of people
Take away the mining crazy times. The 2nd hand market always sorts it out. It's not the 90's any more stuff lasts a few years these days. As a buyer of the first pentium. I feel ya. But my pal has an Rx480 and is still turning up the graphics on 1080p. I got a 3080ti for £500. Just after the 4090 came out, and I've just picked up a 5800x for 200. Had the other stuff to upgrade. I see your ps5 and raise you my battlestaion. None of your ps4 came with you, did it. The real beauty of pc is I paid 500 when I had it, spend 200 when I had it. Each time was an upgrade. This pc started as an athlon 2 and vx65701gb. Everything has changed, but over time
World is moving to APU SoCs and that's why they're ramping up the prices, because they know that discrete GPUs are going the way of dodo. In couple of years you'll be "discrete GPU and discrete RAM what..?!" You'll have GPUs and RAM integrated on the dye, maybe even the SSD will become the part of CPUs SoC and you'll get extra disk space after you fill the first terabyte on the CPU.... IN the end you'll have entire motherboard the size of CPU and the today's motherboard will be just to connect the CPU to the periphery (keyboard, mice, sound, video, USB) and you'll have the micro PC boxes as the norm and only thing that will be in the tower form will be the professional PC workstations.
Everything that goes up needs to come down. Its a universal law and I expect pc gamers will get good gpus at good price point after some years. Time for consoles to come back up again
It's only the GPU sphere that is bad purely because of corporate greed and abnormal external factors (pandemic, crypto, AI boom). However memory, nand is cheap, CPUs are competitive and plentiful, and case designs are elegant and simple and visually impressive.
before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks. currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past. even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke. 400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER. it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves. DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end. ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
Yep, remember those Doom days with highmem. The only console I’ve ever bought besides having a GPU is a Nintendo. No need owning XBox or PS5 for gaming.
I can see PC gaming possibly heading over a cliff, absurd cost of entry to PC gaming paired with a lack of abundant quality new games could very well drive people to consoles. I have purchased and passed along builds with the 6800, 460, 1060, 1070 ti, 2070 super, 3080 and 3080 ti. My personal build is running the 4080 and I'm tapping out future builds and upgrades. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze across the board IMO. In the end if Nvidia walked away from gamers tomorrow people will still game and the earth will keep spinning, in fact maybe it would be for the best, maybe people would discover that thousands of dollars invested doesn't always translate to thousands of dollars worth of enjoyment.
Don't worry, your food and energy costs are going up too. "You'll own nothing and be happy" -WEF "Free will?! That's OVER!" - Yuval Noah Harrari, spokesman and "prophet" at the WEF "Imagine if the Gestapo or the Stasi had the technology we have today. They would not have lost." -Yuval Noah Harrari, spokesman and "prophet" at the WEF
before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks. currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past. even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke. 400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER. it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves. DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end. ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
Yep I agree 100% if you don't like the price don't buy it. Vote with your wallet just like I did. Got a 980ti classified, 3060ti, 3070 and 6800xt that I bought in the last 2 years for cash so I can afford a 4090 no problem but I'm choosing not to give Nvidia 1600$ because I don't think it's worth 1600$. I'd consider it under 1000$ and buy it immediately at 700$ and I will probably buy it eventually used when it gets to a price I'm willing to pay. That said a bit of winning wont hurt, yeah just winning but still buying wont help but winning and not buying will send a clear message.
PC hardware is getting expensive, triple a releases are all broken and perform terrible regardless of hardware, it's all doom an gloom until I stop to think that one can just buy a steam deck, or a nuc and play hundreds or thousands of games that are a few years old, or all the exceptional indies available on PC for dirt cheap. PC gaming isn't all about the latest releases and the number of rays traced, and there is so much to enjoy if you can live without the latest AAA releases. Good bit of perspective from these gentlemen.
This mentality is exactly why the human race is up ship creek without a paddle. Buying a console does not solve the problem we have. People are complaining because they cannot do the things, they used to be able to do. Buying a console is not going to enable you to do that. Telling people to buy a console, when their complaining how buggy PC games have gotten, how shitty console ports PC has been getting, how motherboards and GPUs have literally tripled in price. That's like saying go buy a bicycle when someone's complaining how the MK8 gplf R is 85K when their MK7 only cost them 55K 5 years ago! That doesn't solve the problem. Bicycle's don't exactly have the same usefulness and functionality that a hot hatch does. Just like a locked down restrictive console doesn't have the same functionality as a gaming PC. Perhaps people have the right to complain when manufactures are taking advantage of them.
He's so right, nvidia is done caring about gpu's and gamers. They wont change their pricing, because their products will still selI, plus they have a.i. and electric cars snd all the new stuff. If you dont like nvidias pricing and such, tough luck, buy intel or amd
old farts defending overpriced x3-4 times hardware IS A PART OF THE PROBLEM. instead of fighting overprice tech tubers shill for corporations talking how lucky we are that they milk the market with miniscule y/y upgrades per dollar and that we have overpriced x3-4 times GPUs. stop shilling.
@@haukikannel yeah, its u fortunate its that way, but we the gamers and such will not change/effect nvidia, with their prebuilts and aib's and everything else technologywise. The only things anyone can do, is just not buy them if they really dont want to support them, but otherwise, sorry to everyone who thinks they can effect change, nvidia is a runaway monster now that cant be stopped or changed by the little guys
A 12 gig drive back then would net you at least 20 different games because they were all between 100 - 800 MB, more if you include DOS titles which were even smaller. Devs just don't compress their shit anymore.
Problem is that without new video cards there never will be better PC games! its not games that are broken, its crap overpriced AF low-VRAM GPUs are morally obsolete because y/y gains per dollar are mininiscule in 0-15% range and everything is overpriced x3-4 times.
before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks. currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past. so xx70 card now costs $1200. even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke. 400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER. it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves. DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end. ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
two long lost Brother funnily reunited....
I no longer need to try to imagine grandpa the PC gamer 😂
Never change guys.
reviewers are 100% a part of The problem.
what are reviewers here for - to change people's / customer base's minds.
reviewers have been complaining about pricing NOT ENOUGH.
INSTEAD THEY SHILL FOR STATUS QUO DEFENDING CORPORATIONS and shifting the blame to gamers.
e.g. THEY CAN AND THEY SHOULD post short DAYLY VIDEOS about ngreedia's/ayyymd overprice TALKING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY.
like "Day One of ripping ngreedia a new one for x3-4 times GPU overprice", "Day 2", "Day 3", and so on. where they compare current pricing with pre-mining prices. they can talk about ngreedia shifting up their stack making the 4050 to be 4060ti and pricing it like xx70ti cards of the past.
and that the 4080 16GB with 30% less performance than the 4090 actually corresponds to xx70 cards level which before mining cost around 300 bucks and now they want $1200+ for that.
THAT what tech reviewers should do EVERYDAY if they're really fighting for consumers and not shilling for a trillion dollar company.
they CLEARLY DON'T do enough. instead they waste time shifting the blame to gamers. gamers which can't build a new PC with GPUs being insanely overpriced at all.
also they should make other tech reviewers do similar videos talking about ngreedia's/ayyymd's overprice DAYLY, because THEY CAN.
THAT IS DEFINITELY IN THEIR POWER TO DO. and don't act like a harmless pussies that can't do anything with "a trillion dollar company". because they DEFINITELY CAN FIGHT BETTER.
@@rawdez_ ok so do you know why reviewers complain about the prices when it is relevant and move on to other content rather than constantly saying the same things 5 times a day. because that's bad content like to do that is just not good content and the world becomes numb, nvidia doesn't care and wont care even if the price is yelled about. nvidia has shown with the drop in sales from gaming they haven't cared because they always have other revenues. amd ableist adjusted the price of the 7600 so its not terrible value but even so until intel's next gpu drop amd just don't have to care because they will be competing against themselves. They don't care about you or negative reviews anymore so settle down bud
@@theonelad3028 blah-blah-blah, fu, shill.
>complain about the prices when it is relevant
it is relevant NOW and continues to be relevant until prices drop to pre-mining levels. so they should keep talking about insane x3-4 times overprice non-stop BUT THEY DEFEND CORPORATIONS and BLAME GAMERS instead.
moreover its not like pre-mining prices were cheap, ngreedia made billions in profits even then in 2016 and before. now with their insane overprice and ridiculous margins they make tens of billions dollars in profits.
corporations are actually AFRAID AF of bad coverage, their f-ng stock might drop if there's constant nagging about their bad practices, the only problem is tech reviewers are turned out to be a bunch of pussies who like to "maintain neutrality" aka "lick corporations' asses" to be in good relationships with companies like ngreedia or ayyymd and get review samples from them before launches so their content gets more views.
@@theonelad3028 ps the 7600 is a slow overpriced AF 8GB low-VRAM DOA piece of crap intended for 2016 games. in 2023 games it craps out. to buy the 7600 instead of cheaper higher VRAM used GPUs is to sign off at being stupid AF.
we aren't in 2016 anymore and GPUs MUST BE WAY BETTER/FASTER in 2023.
its just morally obsolete crap with performance thats enough for 2016 but not for 2023.
1440p 144Hz+ monitors are the new norm in 2023 because they cost around $250-300.
ngreedia and ayyymd act like we're stuck in 2016 and should buy their slow crippled low-VRAM overpriced x3-4 times crap GPUs for extreme budget entry-level 1080p gaming. and yes, 1080p is extreme budget entry-level, GPUs for 1080p gaming shouldn't cost more than 1080p monitors, so 100-150 bucks max.
@@theonelad3028 before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks.
currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past.
even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke.
400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER.
it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves.
DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end.
ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
I remember buying a sound card and having to move it around into different slots and manually change the IRQ assignment until I found one that would work and also not conflict with another device. There was no documentation or forum to find information on what settings should work. Maybe you could stumble across a useful post on a newsgroup, but most of the time you had to talk to the old grognard in your neighborhood and hope the solution didn't involve a soldering iron! There were occasional good things about the old days though. I remember when you could unlock I believe it was a Celeron just by using a pencil to draw a line between two contacts and get one of the best value overclockable parts Intel ever accidentally made.
EDIT: Correction, it was the AMD Duron, not the Intel Celeron. Thanks Will Reid!
IRQ conflicts were well understood and typically well documented in the manual in the 80s and 90s. You just had to bother to read them.
The CPU you're thinking of that required a pencil created "trace" was an AMD Duron.
@@WilReid Yes, the Duron! I knew someone would remember that better than I do. ANyway, my stupid Sound Blaster 16 (at least I think it was a 16, it has been a while!) was singularly unhelpful about managing IRQ conflicts. So much so that it left an impression on me even after all these years. I just wanted to play Wing Commander with my little PC speakers!
I had an IRQ conflict with my Sound Blaster Pro 1.0 and my printer, of all things. IRQ 7 was shared with LPT1 (the printer port) and it usually wasn't a problem because most of the time we weren't playing digital sounds while printing. However, if there was an especially long print job that had a few dozen pages then the After Dark screen saver would kick in... and all the cool screen savers had sound effects that needed IRQ 7 to be played!
In hindsight I could have changed the sound card to use IRQ 5 instead, but I was hesitant to since that was also very likely shared with the hard drive controller. It was definitely gaming uphill both ways in the snow!
Or on the Core2 CPU's, covering one of the pads with some tape would overclock the Front Side Bus.
I'd say we are at the end of a technical era. So much technology reaches the the end of their practicality. 400W GPUs, CPUs that throttle on the best air cooler available on the market, PCIe SSDs that need active cooling - you get the idea, I want the performance improvements but I don't want to buy expensive room heaters. It also reflects poorly on advancements in technology in the past decade. We need more breakthroughs on all fronts and companies willing to take more risks in R&D; also to drive down costs and power consumption.
I disagree. Would you be happier if 4090 didn't exists, and the top of the line card would be 140w 4070? If there's a market for enthusiast suff, then why not make it?
@@Sinier940n I'd rather enjoy 4090 performance at 140W for the price of the 4070 (or better!), that's for sure. ;) There is a place for ultra enthusiast products that push the boundaries, but please not with brute force (die size / power consumption) but with more clever engineering (HBM3, better interconnects to the CPU, or other cool new technology that is costly but brings real benefits for the users that can afford it).
By the way there was a great video from Lisa Su talking about the improvements neccessary in the data center over the next decade and the technical means to get there. Let's hope some of the things she mentioned in that presentation trickle down to the consumer market eventually.
The power consumption can be reduced right now with ATX12vo but industry doesn't seem to care. Pulling 70-80 watts at idle is getting old
@@seylawgive me 4090 power at the size and watts of 4070 or 4070 ti i will happily buy at 1000 bucks.
I keep a spreadsheet of my hardware expenses. In 1999 I paid more than 600 for a 18 GB HD. In my current build there isn't a component that exceeds 400.
PC gaming doesn't have to be expensive. So long as you gradually upgrade with price/performance in mind.
Seeing the 4k series of cards perform the same as 3k series cards at a 25% increase in cost, having a problem with that isn't being spoiled. It's having common sense.
Frankly, as supply and production increase, prices should decrease. They are not, and that alone shows the direction this is going.
PC gaming is no longer a niche, small market with very amounts of components being sold to just enthusiasts. It's a mainstream market.
If you want to buy a GPU today, you have to pay the extra for the gimmicks Nvidia or AMD want to include regardless of whether they do anything.
My problem is that for the last 6 years i could not rationalize spending money on any Hardware for the gaming PC... and now that i kicked the first Domino over, everything else will have to follow in quick succession.
7700K -> 7800X3D (last month)
GTX1080 -> RTX4070 (this month). I'd rather would have gone for a 4080 or 7900XTX ... but at those prices, i just can't justify any of it. 4070... 620€ ... is the boring reasonable choice and i'm desperate enough now.
Monitor is next on the shopping list because keeping this system on a 1080p TN panel would be a crime (144Hz G-Sync and 27" is GOOD, but its time for something with actual picture quality, not just fast and smooth)... i just don't know what screen to even go for right now.
@@Xibyth I completely agree with you that the marginal improvement of the current gen does not warrant the price hike.
But as you look at it in retrospect. It would appear that we've become spoiled.
I still own a brochure from the late nineties that features prebuilds. The prices then were outrages. For a midrange with an Intel Pentium II you had to shell out 4500. 😳
So true!
Don´t go for greatest and the newest option!
Back in the days of Amiga PCs, a 30 MB hard drive was the biggest available in small form hhd, it cost me about $380 AU dollars, i bought another one too same price back then.
So 60 MB for $760 , although programs were smaller and 60 MB was considered HEAPS enough MB.
A 17" crt monitor back in the early 80's cost me just under $1000 AU dollars too.
Yep, todays gamers are spoilt in value for $ compared to what we early PC users had to spend. !
Cheers.
I always say, For the family man who builds their kids computers, Chuck them an A770 and they are not likely to complain, you are more likely gonna wonder why the kid has turned 4k res ultra on a 1080p monitor and playing at like sub 30FPS, but he will fight you if you attempt to change it, he likes what he sees and he is happy.
If something didnt work at all, the kid will ask you to fix it anyway.
All I'm going to say is that there are videos out there of Gordon with hair on Computer Chronicles
Saw one. Damn!
Yup, I believe it was the episode where he was showing the GeForce 3 card running Quake 3 on a green Alienware PC 😁
I went with an all AMD upgrade for my PC.
Cause i refused to support greedy NVIDIA.
And i upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1700 + RTX 3070 to Ryzen 9 7950X3D + RX 7900 XTX.
In hopes that by going with AMD, there could be better competition in the future between these companies.
In reality, i think PCs are becoming more and more of a niche due to the awfully increased prices for the high end hardware.
Which has never been this expensive.
And it's all so unfair to the buyers to get ripped off with every new gen.
Because of limitless corporate greed.
Maybe there's just some small hope left for lower pricing in the future, but it's very unlikely. Everything's been getting worse in this industry in general. And that's a fact.
I just built for the first time in 20 years and the thing that sucks is walled garden proprietary stuff and there aren’t enough places like microcenter. When I was 12 I could spend hours at Frys
I wasn't a kid, but I remember the days when it was Best Buy, Circuit City and CompUSA. I remember waiting outside Comp to get a "huge" 10GB HDD for $100.
Gordon was on a tear in Taiwan lol
I remembered looking down on the ground in Vice city to increase my frame rate while running.
I remember when GTA was a top-down game.
@@GrizzAxxemann Yeah that was before my time as a gamer, i started the franchise with GTA 3.
That's how I benchmark my systems and I've always great results.
I remember when goldeneye 64 used to give smooth frame rates when scrolling against a wall lol and the game was like a slideshow everywhere else at 10-15 fps but was considered the “pinnacle” of fps back then
I'll just continue to be a generation or two behind on my PC upgrading because that's what my wallet has been dictating to me, and without this sounding like "sour grapes" that hasn't been a bad way to go. Yesterday's hardware and technology really hasn't been all that hard to live with today. But no , no consoles here. 🖥
The expectations have risen extremely. When I was a kid and the first PCs came out it was like this:
- 20 FPS yeah can give that game a try
- 35 FPS it gets good playable
- 60 FPS perfect, a dream comes true - maximum possible
so why are you defending stagnation and no progress in technology IF YOU HAD IT?
its not expectations problem, its corporations trying to maximize their profits by slowing down the progress. old farts advocating for obsolete slow crap hardware so prices wouldn't drop is the problem.
the 4090 can't even run all games on midrange 1440p 144Hz monitors with all eye-candy turned on and without using upscale trickery. its not even a 4k card.
and yes, 1440p 144Hz+ monitors ARE MIDRANGE if not budget already, look at their prices. there are great MODERN NEW 1440p 144Hz+ monitors for 250-300 bucks. try to find any great 1440p-class GPUs that can run MODERN games with truly MODERN ENGINE (not morally obsolete patched though the roof old crap engine) at 144+ FPS for 250-300 bucks. 1080p is extreme budget by now.
1080p is obsolete extreme budget level monitors, nobody should make or buy GPUs for more than 100 bucks for 1080p.
if you deem that a 500 bucks GPU should be a 1080p GPU you're braindead, or more likely you're NGREEDIA SHILL, or even more likely you're both.
1440p is a starting point in 2023. just like 12GB VRAM should be.
1080p GPUs literally should be A VERY BUDGET GPUs with prices around 100 bucks. a 400 bucks GPU with 8GB VRAM is laughable and SHOULD BE RIDICULED as it is morally obsolete dead on arrival overpriced AF piece of crap. everyone who defends that stupid overpriced AF abomination of a GPU should be cast away from internet forever and never be allowed to any places where respectable people
a 4090 shouldn't even be a halo product. its a midrange-level card if you assess it by what it actually can do. NGREEDIA doesn't make faster GPUs not because it can't but because they milk the market.
before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks.
currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past.
even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke.
400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER.
it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves.
DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end.
ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
From my experience, kids nowadays are fine with low frame rates too.
Now you are a peasant if you only have a 144Hz monitor, and for some reason 1080p 240Hz is so popular, I have a backup 23.8 inch 1080p 60Hz and the pixel density on that is just terrible, my 31" 1440p looks so much better
would you rather the standard stayed at 24 fps for more than a century like in cinema?
When I was a kid we had no idea what FPS was, it was not a thing.
Did game work Yes/No.
You'd be amazed how many populated areas exist in the US, where you have 0 cell reception.
The two talking heads of tech with the two shiniest heads in tech. Easy to spot them in a crowd.
"kids these days" comments are so clueless. We older people are the ones who were spoiled.
When I was a teenager, it was possible to support yourself on a minimum wage job and have a little leftover for entertainment.
And the games these days are horrible. Most of them are nothing more than a front for microtransactions, and the games themselves are usually crap because the developers only care about making you buy more in-game currency.
The PC building market is terrible compared to what I remember when I was younger. They charge too much for what the parts are worth, them won't replace them after said parts set themselves on fire in your computer.
Don't you DARE pull that "kids these days" nonsense.
There was no minimum wage when I was a teenager.
And no GPU has ever caught fire.
@@Safetytrousers "No GPU has ever caught fire" I remember in very early 99 I had a PCI version of the Voodoo Banshee card, and I had to add extra fans for my PC to try, and keep that thing cool, and even then one night while I was online I started smelling smoke, and then through the vent holes on the side panel I could see fire so I quickly shut off my PC, and pulled the card out, 2 of the VRMS on that card had got so hot they caught on fire, and set off the smoke alarm waking up my mother, and stepdad having them yell at me LOL! So don't ever tell me a GPU has never caught on fire as I've had it happen to me!!
@@CommodoreFan64 No GPU of this or the last few generations has caught fire. I shouldn't have said ever as I can't speak for ancient PC history.
@@Safetytrousers What about the Nvidia GPUs with the High voltage connectors melting, sparking and catching on fire from not being seated properly? yes that's actually a thing, and several channels like GamersNexus for example have made videos about it.
@@CommodoreFan64 The 40 series has not caught fire. There are no flammable materials involved if melting occurs.
And GN's first attempt at making the connector melt failed.
Two of my favourite Tech Commentors of all time.
The Dream Team Duo of PC Commentory.
Dudes, i have been reading and listening to, now watching, you guys for twenty years, if not more and now i am actually asking my teenage daughter to read your articles and watch your videos.
Here's to twenty more years and thank you both...
My into to PC gaming problems was trying to play Painkiller. The game said you need a graphics card to play it, so you go out and buy one at Circuit City. Then you get home and try to shove an AGP card into a motherboard with PCI (not express) only. Turns out you were never meant to game on a pre-built in the first place, but you didn't know any better because you're 8 years old. After that turn off I didn't get into PC gaming until college.
i encountered the exact same thing when i bought my first videocard, but i then started learning about pc's and found out that our store actually scammed us by selling a crap pc instead of the pentium 3 500mhz we paid for. So from that moment on, i've always built my own pc's
can you at least narrow it down to what people are complaining about?
i dont think people are complaining about pc cases. these recent influx of chinese brands are forcing western brands to be more competitive
CPU? a fairly healthy market, and the price/performance ratio has never been better
cooling? the enthusiasts are enjoying their LCD AIOs right now, while more and more brands competing in the budget sub $50 market
RAM? DDR5 is a little pricey as expected, but they will go down eventually like with DDR4
SSD? gen 4 (gen 3 even) nvme already does everything you need to, and you can get a 1tb for dirt cheap, even dramless SSDs work really well
we are, however, complaining about the prices of motherboards and GPUs
and these complaints are well deserved :)
1000%.
old farts just defending GPUs being x3-4 times overpriced shilling for ngreedia.
everything else is priced okayish because nobody needs new fast RAM/SSDs/CPUs/etc. without freaking GPUs for adequate money.
You can get decent DDR5 for the same price as DDR4 now.
I remember setting fsb, multiplier, and vcore with jumpers. Kids these days!
The computer i started on was a kaypro 2. I ran cpm, my dad used dbase2 regularly, and it came with a small selection of games using ascii graphics. I used it to instant message my dad on a business trip in 1985. It had an option for a 20mb hdd, but the one we had only used dual 5 1/4 floppy drives. I was 6. Now i have a 3090 and an hdr 1000 capable monitor. I dont actually need the 3090 for games but i also use it for other things, i wanted the 24gb of vram, id have been happy with 3080 performance. Boy do times change
The first time I "gamed" on a computer was an Apple IIc playing "Zork". I feel you.
Leo is completely right about UK phone network's and their signal,
In December last year in my home town all the 4g cell towers were down for 7 days, Lucky I could use my WiFi calling feature with my phone otherwise it would be a real problem,
Why were those cell towers were down... they were upgrading them with sub6 5g nodes, The irony of better service,
For broadband in the UK the biggest problem we had in the early 90s was BT that company was not able to legally have it's own fiber network because the government wouldn't allow them to, As cable companies were making their own broadband network and it would harm competition bt were allowed to have fiber lines because they could crush all competition, I believe that's why most of the UK is bitter about broadband,
Silly mistakes in the early 90s meant that in the early 00s when broadband took off in the uk the only companies who had good speed was those cable companies, But when they all merged into virgin media in 2006 it meant that there was only one fiber broadband company really and that prices went up,
Though now with virgin media their whole uk broadband network can do gigabit speeds, But still it's one company that has a monopoly really,
There is some rival gigabit companies but they are not in most places virgin are so again it's a problem with prices,
BT is still a joke though as a company they want £40 a month for 30mb broadband speed sorry it's 2023 not 2007,
With the release of the 4070/ti and 4060ti used prices have been plummeting. A 3080 or 6800xt can be had for $350-400. Or for a bit less a 3070 or 6700xt for $250-$300.
The only 3080s in that price range are defective
@@thebcwonder4850 Maybe some of them, but I've bought two myself and have been running them for several months. No issues so far. I paid 400 for one and 350 for the other.
Another thing that's overlooked compared to the 90s and earlier 00s, every time you upgrade your gpu 2 generations or more, you've added more possible games that you can run for 10 next years at least.
I suspect I'm a bit older than these 2 youngsters...but they're spot on. My first PC (circa 1991) set me back $1500, and I did a lot of shopping which meant actually driving around to different shops (pre-internet ya know) Wasn't even a lot of choice...the x386 I got (inc. a massive 90MB hard drive) or a Macintosh for double that much (and that was 1991 $$...half what my car cost). No modem, but it was the first "mod" I added. Next was the most amazing thing (and had to save quite a while to buy)...a sound card! Changed everything ... Prodigy could actually "beep beep" at you.
I didn't build my first Gaming PC until 1998. The prebuilt I bought from Best Buy a few months earlier wasn't going to cut it for "Half-Life." That first one I built was with parts that I got at a computer fair.
"Spoiled" in this context means things have imporved a lot, which is great. As for PS/XBOX, that doesn't work because the game catalogue is fundamentally different. On PC you can emulate other consoles, play older games, mod games etc. It's completely different.
That is also why I'm going for a case with 4 fans (which I find amazing), a mid range GPU (which is why I keep looking at leaks. To compare the upcoming current gen mid range vs previous mid to high end), lowest end current gen Ryezen (because I will most probably buy an AMD GPU and 7600 comes with a cooler) and so on. But even in mid range the prices are stupid.
I also don't consider an Intel GPU because of the bad support for old APIs. I play games frrom 2005 regularly.
PS5/Xbox are really not a substitute for even a low-tier gaming pc, they don't cover the same needs. This is coming from someone who's got a gaming pc and a ps5, there are many things i can do on my pc that i could never do on my ps5
Kids dont need high end pc, no matter how you wanna twist your argument. A console and a cheap laptop are enough for their needs.
The Statler and Waldorf of pc reviews. Love it
Someone make Gordon into a Muppet!
Whippersnappers, let me know if you remember something like a 5MB (that's megabytes for you young people) spinning hard drive that cost $6000.
@Gordon Ung You ain't a crabby old man, until you're chasing kids off their own lawn.
The problem is the XX80 series was always the go to for High End. The Enthusiast offering, the XX80TI was if you wanted to spend more for the best of the best, but it was not really a tier above. Now the XX90 class is literally the only tier that matter and they ask above TITAN price for it. They can rot on the shelves.
The main reason why I play PC is because I can use a MnK. Can't do that with most games on the PS5.
two right ones have found each other - i love it
I still remember... playing Prince of Persia at my friend's home. It was 486, and PC was insanely expensive back then (the same number as today, but it was 1990 or so). I tried it and say ... man I think my SNES is way better than this.
The game is great, and technically the PC might be better than that little console, but from the "toy" perspective it's much worse in both price and quality.
I say "toy" because no one use it for actual work. Their parents don't use it professionally at all, it's their children's toys, basically. Back then unless you work for bank, or study engineering, no one uses PC at all, as far as I know. (My friend's brother study engineering so that's why he got the PC, although... he didn't really need it.). So if you think, "hey at least we can use it for work too", back then that's not a valid reason.
PS. I've got my own PC (wow) a year later, it was AMD 386 one with color display to boot!. One of my uncle gave me when I was in 6th grade. I broke it by doing "low-level format", and we could not afford to fix it as the harddrive price (120MB) was too expensive back then.
Idk I grew up in the 90s and got a brand new computer or graphics card upgrade every 1.8 years
Running a Arc 750 in my kids gaming PC. Running at 1080p. Seems to work good. I would have no problem recommending the Arc to a 1080p gamer.
I remember when you bought a $600 GPU (which is more like $800 after inflation in today's money) and you were happy to get 60 FPS on some very demanding ultra high end games at 1080p. Now you buy a $600 GPU, get 80fps in everything and 120fps after frame generation and DLSS at 1440p in some titles, and people complain.
You guys should do a podcast
Prices are not that bad today at all when you take inflation into account. I remember very well how expensive - even without adjusted pricing - the first Pentium II (the slot one with 233/266MHz) was. Bought it the first day it was available. It was really expensive for it's time and the MB situation was a nightmare but performance wise it was the best you could buy. Same is true for the 4090 today, difference is: I grew more wise, no longer spending large amounts of money on hardware. But I can understand very well when people do.
People were spoiled when we only had yo wait for drivers to install, rather than manually installing them, hoping they were compatible with our system and all our other devices and their drivers. Compatibility has come a long way, especially for budget builders. Nowadays when my PC gets squirelly, I just reinstall windows. Every program that can be installed off the OS drive is on a different drive, every personal file is off the OS drive. I can just plug in a USB drive, go mow the lawn and shower and boom, fresh everything ready to rock. I was a teenager in the 90s, but I remember not being able to leave the computer while changing anything for fear of destroying everything, or at the very least having to swap disk after disk after disk after coffee after coffee slamming your head into the keyboard when the tiniest thing derailed the while process.
I've been PC Gaming since the 80s. Is it so unreasonable to expect things to get iteratively better over time?
Yes…
But if you wait 5 to 10 years… You most likely get reeal upgrades. Less than that… Avoid!
I love when people talk about prices being so bad. So I paid what was a modest sum for a not latest Gen PC in 1988. I paid $2,000. This was at a time when I was making $2.35/hour. You can't find a job for less than $16.xx/hour in my Chicago suburb now. So unless your not latest Gen gaming PC is $16,000 your doing better.
And it's worth noting that when I say last Gen, my machine was last Gen by 3 years! That would be like buying a 9900k today for $16,000!
This has to be a lie.
If you paid $2000 with a $2.35 an hour wage and with taxes, this means that you had to save up for at least 25-30 weeks without spending a single penny on living expenses, investments or anything else. So you either are:
A) Lying.
B) Were a child who saved up and didn't have to purchase anything else
C) a pure unabashed fool because you must've lived in poverty for this decision.
@@alexandrep4913 It wasn't a lie. I saved as this was important to me. I used every ounce of that machine to death as I pursued the dream. I got a nice career at Microsoft, fell ill and am now retired,. Thankfully I was very prudent with money and investing my entire life so despite being young I'm now retired very comfortably financially but without my health.
It doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not. But I would suggest that my particulars can be ignored completely. Look up minimum wages, see how many hours it took to earn a machine at the time. Then compare that to now. You can also do that with average incomes. Heck you can even just use inflation numbers.
You can take it even further and completely forget about inflation and just compare prices. There was a time when 386's were $10,000. For *that same money*, you could easily buy two 13900K setups with a 4090K and still have a lot of money left over.
SPOILED!?!? I'd say!!! WTF do they know about:
Green screens?
MS DOS?
Having no mouse?
No windows?
Using a CRT or tubed tv/monitor?
Dial-up modems?
No cell phones?
No Internet? 15 minutes of connection to local university computer if you were lucky.
5 1/4 floppies?
HDD's?
No TH-cam/TikTok/Twitter?
AoL, Prodigy, Compuserve?
Bulletin boards?
Cassette recorder and typing hours of code to play a game?
Dot matrix black/white only printers?
2mb ram?
16mb HDD?
No wifi/bluetooth?
One screen?
No laptops?
No ipads?
Manual channeled tv's?
UHF tv?
TV antenna?
self driven scooters/bikes?
getting dirty?
getting cuts/scrapes/bruises?
drinking from a water hose?
Rotary/corded telephones?
Party line telephones?
Dial tones?
Telephone operators?
TV going off-air at 11 pm?
Mr. Whiffle?
Madge?
Netscape?
Betamax/VHS?
Cassettes? CD's? Records? 8-track tape?
A radio?
45's/33 1/3's/78's?
Fortran?
Punch cards?
Handwriting skills?
Stickshift vehicles?
....and the list goes on and on ..... my first REAL computer was a Tandy 1000ex, from Radio Shack! Not that they'd know what a Radio Shack is ... my first real console [expensive back then] was a Sega Genesis. Before that a Commodore 64 with Donkey Kong!
8 track
record players
component cables
*TV going off at 11pm and the Star Spangled Banner plays. These kids are taught that is "white supremacy" nowadays, even though many blacks and people of all ethnic backgrounds fought for their freedom since before the US was founded.
*Don't drink from a water hose anymore. Fluoride added to the water along with many pesticides such as atrizine that is an estrogen mimicker(that along with soy food is making for many beta males). Filter your water nowadays.
Ok grandpa. (Lol I’m actually just playing around all that stuff is incredibly cool.)
The irony of complaining about complainers is hilarious. I'm not as old as the two gentlemen in the video but I'm likely older than the average gamer. While PC gaming is in a significantly better state when compared to 20 yrs ago, people have a right to be frustrated and express their frustration. In the relative scheme of things, complaining about pricing has very little appreciable effect on any of these multi-billion dollar corporations who have a tremendous amount of power in the company-consumer relationship. Boycotts generally have been ineffective. So, if people are frustrated and want to complain, really, who cares? It's harmless, it's fun, and it's ultimately a reflection of the passion and enthusiasm that people have for PC gaming. It's also what fuels consumption of PC tech channel content like this one. So, Gordon, respectfully, get off our lawns.
I've been alive for 52 years. It is what it is, although I'm sitting pretty with a 3090.
@@Safetytrousers Yeah... the thing is while the current gen cards are very powerful, in addition to being overpriced, they really aren't needed. They are nice to have but aren't necessities so they are a hard pass for me currently. There are fantastic deals on last gen cards. If I were building a system on a budget today, I'd get a RX 6700XT ($350) which is what I have in my LAN build. It's more than capable of playing current games at high frame rates.
Yea, you tell em guys. When I was a kid all we had was the wet spot under the outside tap & a stick.
My family had a pc since I was like 4 years old. I remember the only game I had at a time was original Doom. So I'm really attached to pc gaming and I can't really move away from it easily.
I did buy a Nintendo Switch, but I can't spend hours playing on it (I'm ok with playing on controllers). For the simple fact that on pc when you are playing something it's easy to just alt-tab and to some work, check your social media and so on and so forth. Hell I can't imagine not being on Discord voice chat with friends. So when I'm playing Switch I'm often sitting at my pc/laptop so that I could talk to them or browse internet. Plus with all honesty while some games are better with controllers (Dark Souls, Death Stranding, Hades, etc) there is no argument that playing Civilization or Doom is better with KnM.
I remember Doom! How about the father of doom, RoTT [Rise of the Triad]?
@@Jimbo234GW I know about the series, but never played it though.
I definitely don't think PC hardware should cost as much as it does today, but I will agree that if you don't want to pay that price, you don't have to. There's always plenty of lower end/priced alternatives, and even consoles.
A console is kind of fine for gaming (the FPS could be higher, the input-latency lower and most of all consoles are not suitable for RTS-games unless you hook up a mouse and keyboard to an XBox) but many of us want to use a computer for more than just gaming, no matter how much we like to game.
I mean, while not to the same extreme, is this really fundamentally different from saying minorities today are a little spoiled because they're only systematically oppressed, blocked from vertical progression in the workplace, and a relatively small number are facing genocide or slavery, compared to 100 years ago?
We should always strive for a better tomorrow. It doesn't matter if "that's just how it is", we demand better, because we can have better. Complacency is why right to repair even needs to be fought for today. Sure, things are better today in a lot of ways than they were in the 1940s for computing. So why do we stop and go backwards and say "gee we sure are spoiled"? Things are supposed to get better, and we as a people should always expect that they always will and always cry foul whenever they don't.
The sad reality is you are right. Gamers and PC gaming is such a small percentage of these companies portfolios.. that they dont give a shit about us, and we cant fight with our wallets to bring down pricing.. because they dont really need us. :(
if this where car prices, you will se no group of potential clients protesting for lower prices 😂... Nvidia shouldn't give2fucks about people crying for high prices... it is what it is. don't like... go somewhere else
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
Dammit EA!
Why not both?
On that subject of sound cards, I refuse to use motherboard audio, no matter how good you think it is, it still can't keep up with a good add in sound card. I'm using a AE-7 and it's so much better than board audio 😁
Totally agree.
-Adam
Also you can use same sound card so, so many years. they are like monitors. they last!
I have Toppings D90 dac as sound card and Toppings A90 as headphone amplifier. Overkill, but these will last to the end of my life and offer superior sound!
And that's why we complain. It doesn't cost us anything 😂.
In all seriousness getting shut out of a market that used to cater to you hurts.
Absolutely. I AM SO TIRED of hearing people saying "I used to buy cheap gpu's in stores back when" no you didn't.... you bought old products that wasn't the newest for cheap prices. I remember buying the 7800GTX K0 from EVGA for $600 plus tax.... that was in 2005!!!! JUST BASED ON INFLATION, that same $600 TODAY is the same as spending $934.34.... 18 years of inflation.... So when that GPU was brand spanking new, is the same as buying a $900 GPU today.... and guess what, AMD sells their 7900xtx for 999.99 launch price. That's basically the same thing as buying a brand new gpu in 2005.... So this idea that "I used to spend less money" is bullshit. Its the same as it was, inflation just makes it look different. Same goes for lower end cards. A $200 ATI 9000 all-in-wonder pro, today, would be akin to spending money on a $350-400 dollar graphics card, which those cards do exist.... essentially things are GENERALLY the same price (yeah 4090 prices are insane but that doesn't count and also 4090 is still selling well). If the world inflation dropped, we would see lower prices.... and graphics cards would be cheaper. Technology generally isn't getting MORE expensive because 99.9% of the price can be explained away by inflation by itself.... so this idea that "it cost insane money to make a gpu" no it doesn't. It SEEMS that way because of inflation.
INSTEAD of buying a console, buy those cheap mini pc's. Instead of $500 for a PS5 you can spend the same on an Beelink SER6 Pro 7735HS, 8 cores 16 threads and 12cu of 680m AMD graphics. Sure you can argue "not as graphically awesome as a ps5" but its a PC, you can do more with it. Don't want a cheap prebuilt, build one. for $200 more than a ps5 you can get more. intel 11700 cpu with cooler, cheap motherboard, ddr4 memory is stupid cheap right now, cheap 512gb or 1tb nvme, AMD 6600 gpu, cheap case, and cheap psu.... bam, solid build. and its upgradable unlike the ps5. so later down the road you want more gpu performance, shell out more for a faster gpu as an upgrade instead of buying "another console"..... long term PC is just a smarter buy. you figure you paid $500 for a ps5. when the next console comes out, probably another $500.... meanwhile you can snag a whole new gpu for $500 to pair with that 11700 cpu and get MORE performance. so you just upgraded and can play way better graphically intense games at higher fps. its just better to be on PC.
Spoiled? The highest tier GPU cost me a few hundred NZD when I began building PCs last century. Now the average RTX 4090 is $4K NZD ($2.5K USD). Incomes have not increased by a similar amount. Not even close. Building a PC with the most bleeding edge, top tier parts available was far more affordable before these kids became so spoiled.
Tech is way better now, so suck it up? Well, tech was way better then too. It was as cutting edge and amazing to us then as it is now, relatively speaking. You could build a best of everything PC without spending a quarter's worth of the average income. Replacing a top tier part that had just been superseded was done quite easily with this old school thing we called disposable income. Spoiled kids these days may have never heard of that kind of income. Spoiled kids these days use this thing they call credit, while joking about selling a kidney.
What's more, one could leave school at 15 or 16 and get a good job, or become a ship's officer like I did as a high school drop out. A few years later one could buy a house and support a family. Now the average house in Auckland is over a million bucks. Couples on above average incomes get turned down for mortgages, because they do not earn enough. Generation Rent. Most folks under 40 have no realistic expectation of ever being able to afford a house. No wonder they are pissed off. Don't get me started on what I saw in the USA (the Rust Belt where whole towns are just about in ruins after the jobs were exported to greener pastures).
Is Kit Guru a Tory? "Suck it up, or buy a console" is very Tory sounding.
So if Gordon is old guard, and I remember when he first showed up in magazines...
But yeah, people are spoiled for choice, despite inflation.
But really, I think that the haves that will pay whatever for top end components are far outnumbered by the rest of us, and it's really just a matter of people refusing to pay these inflated asking prices.
Most of us got through the shortage and pandemic by turning the settings down until we got framerates we were good with. Keep doing that.
AI isn't going to be the boon nVidia or AMD think it is. The legal issues haven't really begun to be worked out, - hell the use of AI in the legal system is already causing turmoil.
But I'm more than fine letting nVidia wander off in search of AI profits leaving people with a handful of overpriced, bad value products. They started this never ending price escalation, and we'd be better off without them. They've abandoned power efficiency and actual performance increases in favor of AI offshoots for upscaling and frame generation. I'd like a card that doesn't cost twice the rest of the PC that can perform with all the software gimmicks turned off.
100% we are! I would have never imagined when I was young being able to play Quake 2 in 4K with RTX!
I built my first rig in 2003 all AMD rigs from Athlon 2500 Barton to the Phenom X4 945 in 2010 built ny first intel rig 2600k.
10 years later Ryzeb 3600 in 2020, but i remember exactly what the guy in the left says. HDDs costing arm and a leg, so many different websites fighting for you custom, the amount of useless crap you could buy in 2003 onwards abd probably before that
Definitely the douchiest rant I'll hear today. Sorry, but no, there is no "suck it up" when companies are trying to bend consumers over like this. There is "vote with your wallet and don't buy it." When $400+ cards are sold as a 1080P solution, which was the standard 15 years ago, something is very wrong.
I think people forgot how it was
My Pentium 166 MMX was $1000 CPU. Year later it was a garbage.
GPU like voodoo after a year were obsolete. Your graphic card could be rendered obsolete because not supporting features/shaders in a year.
Now people complain that game doesn't run smoothly on their 5 years old mid range GPUs
Reality check Snowflakes
I think if AMD didn't try to follow the trend and hope people would not mind their high prices as well, this would be different. If the 7900XTX was a $800 card, they would not be able to produce enough to satiate the demand and then nVidia would not have such a strong leverage. Moreover they would maybe gain their old market share back instead of dipping to 10-12%
After hunting for deals and selling my 1080ti I did buy a 4080. In the end it cost me less than €700 and that's a fair price for that GPU. Now I only was able to get it as cheap because my 1080ti sold for over 300... which it would not if the market had healthier prices overall.
In short: I think this whole situation is much worse for those just getting into PC gaming and less for those already owning hardware they can sell before upgrade. A €700 upgrade after 6 years is basically what I did with the 1080ti back in 2017.
OMG there's two Gordons! One with glasses and one without!
My first HDD was 40 MB and the space seemed unlimited...had -hundreds- maybe dozens of games on there. 😅
NVidia hasn't gone anywhere, they now make more money on Datacenter now, but they still push gaming hard, they are still funding game development to support their features, they are still working hard on next generation gaming cards.
Just because they didn't deliver a big jump in performance this generation, doesn't mean it's over.
Why they look like brothers! 😂
Yes they do!
Or steam deck, as the ready-to-play handheld device form factor is here to stay and will always be dependable for finding an entry level model suiting your needs.
When I was a kid computers came with monitors that displayed 2 colors and we were happy just to play 1 game... kid these days have 16.8 million colors monitors with 100 game libraries and they still complain. Bunch of snowflake cry babies they be.
I was spoiled with 8 whole colours and 48k of Ram on my ZXSpectrum.
You forgot the dinosaurs you fought on the way to school and back
I have a slightly different take on GPU pricing.
In 2015 I used SLI. So 2x GTX 980 tis at $698 each. They were upgraded to 2x GTX 1080 tis at $760 each. When I heard that Nvidia was ditching SLI I was a bit confused since they had a large customer base buying 2x GPUs fpt SLI. Then the RTX 2080 ti happened and it all made sense. They produced 1 GPU to replace SLI and charged SLI prices. They knew we would pay since we have been paying for years. My 1080 ti SLI setup cost about the same as my 4090 so I have no reason to be upset about pricing.
Honestly,
I don't really see pc gaming these days as being much worse than it used to.
anyone without much cash can run anything at 1080p with a used gpu.
Shure, the ceiling went up, but you can still easily play most games worth playing on a budget.
Wouldn't mind 200$ 4k 240hz gaming, but wouldn't be immensly happier with it eather.
frankly, as steam deck at 800p will get you enough games that you won't be able to keep up with the amount being released these days.
It's like the British version and the American version of the same person.
Yep. If you can't afford to play in the PC space or can no longer afford it get a console. You can get an Xbox X and a PS5 for the price of one low to mid-range gaming PC. And that's without a monitor or a decent keyboard, mouse, table, chair, broadband, etc. And the space you need in your crib to put all that stuff. LOL!!! It's outrageous.
I remember seeing graphics on a computer screen for the first time. GRAPHICS! Games that weren't just text. Then, COLOR graphics! (4 colors, to be exact - CGA) Then, 256 color 320x240 15fps! The jump from there really was 3dfx Voodoo with the first true 3D graphics. And these guys are talking about 20GB hard drives. Try 20MB :)
Wow, you got Jim Norton on the show!
I got a MSI RX6750xt for $330, brand new off Amazon a few weeks ago (granted it was on a sale) but still. I replaced a 980ti I got back in 2015. While I wish graphics cards were cheaper, I paid 600 for the 980ti and it was top tier back then (I think 2k for a single component in a consumer product is nuts). But Nvidia is making bank off AI cards, why would they slow down for cards they can't make such a premium off of?
Mostly I'm happy that hardware is such that performance is sufficient to buy and keep for many years. I'll likely not change my hardware for another 7-8yrs... and I'll probably still be able to games at near top graphics settings (except for ray tracing).
But using 4 slots of DDR5 will make it slower overall... so you have less performance of it, if you use only a fraction of the ram.
so more money is not always more better.
Don't buy 4 then. Nobody needs more than 2 for gaming. If what you do needs 4 then you need what you need.
Really ? Isn't this only applied to Intel builds afaik ? Sorry if im wrong, also this applies to DDR4 aswell or not ?
@@Eleganttf2 it applies to ddr4, but not to such an extend.
f.e. in an intel system with 2 sticks on a z790 you can get f.e. 7ghz and above, but with 4 sticks maybe 6400 if at all.
its the same with amd.
you could increase voltage to uncomfortable levels to get the gap closer, but i think the voltage on the ram side gets a problem less fast, then the voltage for ram at the cpu side, because of higher energy density there.
OK, I'll go old school and go further back to my 286 running DOS 3.3 on a 40MB hdd that it had to partition bec it couldn't do more than 32mb partitions. Playing test drive 2 on my "gaming rig"
4:50 this is all fine, but the living wages have not moved up for so long so it makes owning houses and nice things, just simply impossible to attain for the majority of people
Take away the mining crazy times. The 2nd hand market always sorts it out. It's not the 90's any more stuff lasts a few years these days. As a buyer of the first pentium. I feel ya. But my pal has an Rx480 and is still turning up the graphics on 1080p. I got a 3080ti for £500. Just after the 4090 came out, and I've just picked up a 5800x for 200. Had the other stuff to upgrade. I see your ps5 and raise you my battlestaion. None of your ps4 came with you, did it. The real beauty of pc is I paid 500 when I had it, spend 200 when I had it. Each time was an upgrade. This pc started as an athlon 2 and vx65701gb. Everything has changed, but over time
Half life 1 on software mode with S3 Trio "3D", which had actually no (!) 3d acceleration
That was good old times
World is moving to APU SoCs and that's why they're ramping up the prices, because they know that discrete GPUs are going the way of dodo. In couple of years you'll be "discrete GPU and discrete RAM what..?!" You'll have GPUs and RAM integrated on the dye, maybe even the SSD will become the part of CPUs SoC and you'll get extra disk space after you fill the first terabyte on the CPU.... IN the end you'll have entire motherboard the size of CPU and the today's motherboard will be just to connect the CPU to the periphery (keyboard, mice, sound, video, USB) and you'll have the micro PC boxes as the norm and only thing that will be in the tower form will be the professional PC workstations.
Everything that goes up needs to come down. Its a universal law and I expect pc gamers will get good gpus at good price point after some years. Time for consoles to come back up again
It's only the GPU sphere that is bad purely because of corporate greed and abnormal external factors (pandemic, crypto, AI boom). However memory, nand is cheap, CPUs are competitive and plentiful, and case designs are elegant and simple and visually impressive.
nobody needs anything without GPUs. x3-4 times GPU overprice is killing PC market and PC gaming.
before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks.
currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past.
even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke.
400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER.
it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves.
DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end.
ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
Yep, remember those Doom days with highmem. The only console I’ve ever bought besides having a GPU is a Nintendo. No need owning XBox or PS5 for gaming.
I think the early 80's was the worst time period since you could buy something fancy like Memotech MTX and boom no longer supported.
I can see PC gaming possibly heading over a cliff, absurd cost of entry to PC gaming paired with a lack of abundant quality new games could very well drive people to consoles.
I have purchased and passed along builds with the 6800, 460, 1060, 1070 ti, 2070 super, 3080 and 3080 ti.
My personal build is running the 4080 and I'm tapping out future builds and upgrades.
The juice is no longer worth the squeeze across the board IMO.
In the end if Nvidia walked away from gamers tomorrow people will still game and the earth will keep spinning, in fact maybe it would be for the best, maybe people would discover that thousands of dollars invested doesn't always translate to thousands of dollars worth of enjoyment.
Don't worry, your food and energy costs are going up too.
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before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks.
currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past.
even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke.
400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER.
it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves.
DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end.
ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
Yep I agree 100% if you don't like the price don't buy it. Vote with your wallet just like I did.
Got a 980ti classified, 3060ti, 3070 and 6800xt that I bought in the last 2 years for cash so I can afford a 4090 no problem but I'm choosing not to give Nvidia 1600$ because I don't think it's worth 1600$. I'd consider it under 1000$ and buy it immediately at 700$ and I will probably buy it eventually used when it gets to a price I'm willing to pay.
That said a bit of winning wont hurt, yeah just winning but still buying wont help but winning and not buying will send a clear message.
Thank you.
PC hardware is getting expensive, triple a releases are all broken and perform terrible regardless of hardware, it's all doom an gloom until I stop to think that one can just buy a steam deck, or a nuc and play hundreds or thousands of games that are a few years old, or all the exceptional indies available on PC for dirt cheap. PC gaming isn't all about the latest releases and the number of rays traced, and there is so much to enjoy if you can live without the latest AAA releases.
Good bit of perspective from these gentlemen.
I’m actually grateful for the amazing hardware that is available to us. I can bust my ass to make money or I can sit on the couch and complain
I sucked it up and just built a new high end PC before China invades and there is no Computex show.
I actually quit gaming because most games are just shells with hype, and I switched to a simple macbook for works and other entertainments.
Seeing Gordon so deflated hurts
I was actually thinking of getting an XBOX because most new PC games are console ports anyway.
This mentality is exactly why the human race is up ship creek without a paddle. Buying a console does not solve the problem we have. People are complaining because they cannot do the things, they used to be able to do. Buying a console is not going to enable you to do that. Telling people to buy a console, when their complaining how buggy PC games have gotten, how shitty console ports PC has been getting, how motherboards and GPUs have literally tripled in price. That's like saying go buy a bicycle when someone's complaining how the MK8 gplf R is 85K when their MK7 only cost them 55K 5 years ago! That doesn't solve the problem. Bicycle's don't exactly have the same usefulness and functionality that a hot hatch does. Just like a locked down restrictive console doesn't have the same functionality as a gaming PC. Perhaps people have the right to complain when manufactures are taking advantage of them.
"only" 55K? Come back down to Earth dude
He's so right, nvidia is done caring about gpu's and gamers. They wont change their pricing, because their products will still selI, plus they have a.i. and electric cars snd all the new stuff. If you dont like nvidias pricing and such, tough luck, buy intel or amd
old farts defending overpriced x3-4 times hardware IS A PART OF THE PROBLEM.
instead of fighting overprice tech tubers shill for corporations talking how lucky we are that they milk the market with miniscule y/y upgrades per dollar and that we have overpriced x3-4 times GPUs.
stop shilling.
So true! In the last GPU market share Nvidia still has 84% market share! AMD is tiny and Intel… well… even less
@@haukikannel yeah, its u fortunate its that way, but we the gamers and such will not change/effect nvidia, with their prebuilts and aib's and everything else technologywise. The only things anyone can do, is just not buy them if they really dont want to support them, but otherwise, sorry to everyone who thinks they can effect change, nvidia is a runaway monster now that cant be stopped or changed by the little guys
Yes 20gb HDD back then but games were also not 100gb+ kind of a mute point
A 12 gig drive back then would net you at least 20 different games because they were all between 100 - 800 MB, more if you include DOS titles which were even smaller.
Devs just don't compress their shit anymore.
Problem is that new video cards can't fix broken PC games!
Problem is that without new video cards there never will be better PC games!
its not games that are broken, its crap overpriced AF low-VRAM GPUs are morally obsolete because y/y gains per dollar are mininiscule in 0-15% range and everything is overpriced x3-4 times.
before mining in 2016 xx70 cards cost 300 bucks.
currently xx70 card IS THE 4080 16GB because its 30% lower performance than top 4090 card which is typical for xx70 cards of the past. so xx70 card now costs $1200.
even 300 bucks for the 4050Ti (which is named 4060ti rn) would be a joke. actually anything more than 150 bucks for that card in 2023 is a joke.
400 bucks by ngreedia is insane when 4080 16GB MUST BE CHEAPER.
it is VERY BAD. there is no mining anymore to make money with GPUs, GPUs aren't shovels to dig gold anymore. their prices MUST go back to pre-mining level or ngreedia, ayyymd, untel can burn with their overpriced AF GPUs rotting on shelves.
DO NOT BUDGE to corporations' attempts to recondition the market to its insane overprice. DO NOT BUY. if you have to buy a GPU go used instead. or find another hobby, let corporations burn, let PC gaming as it is rn die and there WILL be WAY better priced products in the end.
ngreedia, ayyymd, untel are killing PC gaming with their overpriced crap, without way cheaper/faster GPUs nobody builds new PCs for new heavy games, sales drop and corporations are taking a hit from nobody buying their x3-4 times overpriced crap. as they should.
Bad take. I don't have to deal with Jensen's gpu overpricing, I bought a better value amd gpu.
the problem is , you got fast, powerful, but good medium and cheap quality went to mars