This is why I don't migrate towards other motorcyclists, generally. It's a never-ending tirade of what's right, and what's wrong with everyone else's bike. All bikes are good quality nowadays. Not perfect, but that's ok. The main decider for anyone acquiring a new machine should be - do you like the bike? If the answer is yes, put the money down and feel happy. Done!
I'm an instructor, so I get plenty or people asking me what would make a good first bike, because mates have filled their heads with all the stuff about power and weight. Apparently, my Moto Guzzi V100 is underpowered because it only has 115bhp. Go figure. My Scram isn't a 'proper bike' because it's underpowered...
Get asked about this everywhere I ride my 350. It's a 350, its all metal, what do you expect? Want to go fast buy something else. 20 hp will get you around town just fine. Just stay off those 75 mph freeways....
Won't be long before all the towns and cities in the U.K are 20mph and the Motorways 50 mph .... *strangely enough the ones I seem to travel on are always 50mph* 😏.... so 20bhp will be fine 😊
I have ridden a 125 cc along a motorway before. It got me from A to B….. eventually. 😂 For me there is never a can’t as long as you are having amazing fun on two wheels.
@user-vt9uh7pt4j Had Honda's. Great machine, run forever, low maintenance. Only complaint was a lack of soul or personality. That's not important to many and I get it. As far as being the best, seems most new bikes from major brands have gotten better over the years. Technology and processes have made bikes more dependable. Brand choices are subjective and personal. So far the RE has been dependable and easy to maintain and definitely is the odd man out on rides. Whatever you buy, enjoy and ride safe.
It's too heavy for a Hamster. For a motorcycle it is not. It feels planted, safe and secure. Surefooted I might say. This is possibly my favorite motorcycle to ride. I've had anything from small bore 2-strokes to HD ultra classics. The 350 Classic reborn is as near perfect as they come.
Agreed with all of that, especially the RE-Js. The only time weight starts to become an issue is your age. As a beat up 67 year old, even most 650s are becoming too big. The low CofG on the Js make them very manageable without downsizing even further. Great video as usual.
One thing I've noticed in my 70 years of owning all kinds of motor vehicles is longevity! If you fish you'll notice on the lake there's a lot of old 9.9 horsepower motors but not a whole lot of old 15 horsepower motors. That's because they're the same motor! That extra 50% power comes with a price! Just doesn't last as long! I considered putting the 865 kit on my interceptor. But then I realized on a hot summer day it was just going to be that much hotter. And I guarantee it won't last as long. Especially the clutch. I love your videos I wish I could take a ride with ya Maybe someday but if I go overseas I think it'll be to Tuscany region of Northern Italy! If I rent a bike more than likely it'll be a Moto guzzi! Ciao.
I owned a Royal Enfield 350cc Bullet from 1999 to 2019. Ten years as a solo then ten years as a sidecar tug. It was my everyday transport. All year round in all weather. Yes, I modified it - mainly for reliability and ease of maintenance. It eventually developed a whopping 18 horse power and could cruise all day at 50mph. But here's the thing - the urban roads I commuted on a daily basis were 30mph yet traffic rarely moved at more than 20mph. It still doesn't move any faster today and I don't even live in Wales! Aside from massaging their egos and 'bragging rights down the pub' most riders would probably be quite happy with a relatively low powered motorcycle.
For how much interaction you have on your channel, you are one of the few YT channels I follow that have 100k subs, that responds to the masses of comments! Really enjoy your personality and attitude! Real man! We have few of them today
I started riding in 1982 and I don't remember everyone being obsessed with power and weight. Top speed and CCs where the metrics of the day. I can tell you the engine size and claimed top speed of all my bikes back then but weight/power/torque not a clue I'd have to google it. For many riders it's just bragging rights. Most of us would be shocked if we knew how little of our bikes power we use most of the time
Me too 👍 After many years of big, heavy, powerful bikes, climbing back down the size/performance ladder has been much more satisfying than I ever thought it could be. It's a different kind of motorcycling. More engaging and definitely more relevant to today's roads. The RE350's are heavy enough to feel planted but light enough to go anywhere too. I've explored so many of those lanes I used to ride past thinking 🤔 where does that go.
Great video on the myth of horsepower. Even racing when I was younger (A lot...) the most horsepower was never the indicator of the one across the finish line first. Useable horsepower, torque, weight distribution, handling and in a lot of cases waterproofing were way more important.
That was a great way to describe how power to weight ratio works 👍 The bike market sells bikes on lighter , faster and more power! but in reality the more power a bike has the less of it you can use ! British Roads are not silky smooth racetracks and I think this is where Royal Enfield have hit a sweet spot. Great bikes for the roads we have . Great video 👍👍
Hi Stuart. I bought a Classic 500 at a late age a couple of years ago. I’m 64 now, and my muscle power and balance isn’t what it once was (-despite working out) The first couple of weeks I thought I had made a mistake and should have gone for a smaller model such as a 350. But there’s much to gain from experience in learning how to handle the bike, and today I wouldn’t even consider switching. I don’t think that 20kg’s or so less would make any real difference now I’ve learned to handle my 500. I have no doubt that the 350’s have sufficient power to the weight but I would probably miss that wonderful NM of the Classic 500😊
I watched a You tube video by a guy in the States and he was running his Hunter on the freeway at 70 MPH, no problem, and the bike seemed plenty powerful enough to me. His ride did end in disaster though, when he was wiped out by a truck. Weight is important to me, especially as I approach 70; I am close to selling my favourite bike that I have owned for 40 years, because I am struggling to push it out of the garage. I have been considering buying a RE 650, but that is out now due to the weight. Believe me, once past 65 your strength starts to dissipate!
I bought my 650 (super meteor) last year, when I was 69! I wouldn't want to push it uphill, but wheeling it around is really simple. The weight is low and the handlebars fairly wide, so it feels safe to man handle. As a bonus, when it accelerates, my stomach muscles get some exercise. 😊
Quasimotard. He is known for cross country trips on much smaller bikes, mopeds an scooters. Does the Scooter Cannonball every year. I think that crash happened on his normal daily commute. He has a honda rebel so I know he has a few faster bikes, but the hunter was a fast bike compared to what he normally rides. The guy in the Jeep running him down on his brand new RE was just bad timing for the RE. He lives in a bad part of Texas for aggressive drivers an has been talking about moving somewhere safer before this happened.
I am a really experienced motorcyclist. I am 64, and have been riding on the street since age 16. I have owned 47 bikes, from small to huge, everything except crotch rockets and adventure bikes, most of them have been Japanese cruisers. I have ridden just over one million miles, most of that on U.S. freeways. I seriously considered a red and chrome Classic 350 with silver powder coated tubeless wheels as a short range (300-400 miles) solo touring bike. Until I tried to sit on one. I was unable to get on it, because the seat was too high. I had to get rid of my Yamaha XT225 on/off road bike, because the seat was too high for me to get on and off of without standing on something. Once on it, the suspension compressed enough so that I could flat foot it easily. The seat height on the Classic 350 is actually an inch HIGHER than on that bike. Weight is not a problem for me. My 2006 H-D Sportster 1200 wet weight, with a few add on accessories, is right at 600 pounds. I have no problem riding it, because it has a seat height of 25.5", compared to 32" for the Classic 350. That's 6.5" higher than my Sportster, and makes all the difference in the world. I'm actually shocked that such a small street bike would have such a tall seat height. Yes, I realize that a younger person in good condition would have no problem with that, but at my age, and with what I have done for a living all my life, that involved carrying large heavy things up and down ladders all day every day, which destroyed my knee and hip joints, as well as the muscles, tendons, ligaments, in my legs, I can no longer lift my leg over a high seat. I actually own a couple of step through Vespa scooters now because of that. I do have a 2013 Royal Enfield Bullet (not Classic) 500 that I bought new, and which I now have to stand on something to get on and off of. I use a piece of 4x4 wood, with a rope attached, and carry it in a magnetic tank bag. But I no longer ride that bike on a regular basis, and because it has tube type tires, I stay close to home on it. A flat tire on that bike means a tow truck. And in fact, in just over 20,000 miles, it has come home on a tow truck 4 times, because of flat tires. Despite those problems, I have no immediate plans to get rid of it, because it is so much fun to ride, unlike any smooth, quiet Japanese bike. The B5 Bullet 500 only weighs 412 pounds, but it is a bit top heavy. Remember the weight of a bike being ridden includes the weight of the rider, and the higher the seat, the higher up that weight is going to be. I have removed the 50 pound three foot long stock exhaust with a much smaller, lighter, better sounding, and cat con free exhaust, and completely eliminated the entire EFI system and replaced it with an Amal Concentric MK1 carburetor. I would like to replace the front wheel with a drum brake model, but that pretty much requires replacing the entire front end, so since it does not have ABS, I decided to just live with it. I have never considered any motorcycle as being good for carrying passengers. For two reasons. One is weight. I have owned two Honda Goldwings. These were enormous motorcycles with huge fairings, windshields, plastic saddlebags and a trunk, not to mention an engine bigger than some car engines. With all that added weight of the fairing, bags, and trunk, and supporting framework, they were heavy. And their load capacity was severely limited. A 1500cc six cylinder Goldwing, as big as it is, has a max load capacity of 400 pounds, including rider, passenger, and all luggage. Any accessories you add will further decrease that capacity. I weigh 240 myself, which only leaves 160 pounds for a passenger, assuming you have not added anything, and have no luggage. Not very much for a motorcycle designed to carry 2 people and everything but the kitchen sink on several thousand mile trips. The other reason I don't carry passengers is multifold. Their extra weight, placed way up high on the seat, totally ruins the balance of the bike stopping, starting, and going around curves. Then there is the tendency of the passenger to lean the wrong way in curves and turns. And lastly, is how they affect control of the bike in an emergency braking/evasive action situation. Many riders actually tow trailers with motorcycles, something I wouldn't even consider. Riding a motorcycle in traffic is dangerous enough without doing something stupid like that. It may work, until somebody pulls out in front of you. Then you are screwed.
You can reduce the hight of the Classic 350 by 2 inches. RE produce a lower seat that will save one inch and Hagon will make back shocks an inch shorter.
Nice to see a detailed and thought-out comment. I broadly agree with all you say. One thing I was not aware of was the capacity limits on the Honda G-W. If what you are saying is right then I suspect almost any two-up G-W's are over that limit. I have previously owned 2 Gold-Wings and only ever rode 'solo'. Indeed i don't like riding with a pillion period. I find it hard work. I realised many years ago that having only one bike was not ideal. I appreciate it means extra expense but for me I reckon 3 is the ideal number. 1 for touring 1 for daily/regular use 1 for jolly Sunday jaunts to a bike meet Living in the UK we don't have particularly good weather, even in (often in) summer. As such this year I am going to buy a bike trailer, then I can tow two bikes to Scotland (arguably our best riding roads) and enjoy them once I get there.
I agree at 64 the main issue is seat height and getting your leg over! I think Royal Enfield and the new Triumph 400 are missing out on a lot of potential purchases to older riders, shorter riders and ladies for this reason alone. When I look around a motorcycle museum most bikes are much lower down and accessible for more people. I know there is a reason for it but we don’t all want to go around corners like Freddie Spencer.
Nothing wrong with a chunk of 4x4 and a rope, it could be useful in other ways, too. But respectfully, and from someone older than you, have you tried treading on the LH footrest to mount the bike?
Motorcycle weight has never really been an issue for me in 58 years of riding... The biggest issue for me has always been how easy it it to roll onto it's centre stand. The best bike I had for that was also one of the heaviest, a Laverda RGS1000. Onto the stand so easily. Good design. My 750 laverda twin also was easy on and off the stand. They were both heavy bikes but the roadholding was excellent due to good design.
Same as my B M W K75c, it's technique getting it on and off the stand , it also has a grab bar tucked away within the frame so you can lift it onto the stand , & I've turned 73 .
Wish I had never got rid of my 750GTL. Over 100,000 miles and running on the original pistons etc. Good maintenance and they go forever. @@nigelfisher3756
Hi Stuart can i say i think you skirted round one of the main issues very tactfully - that being the rider, lets face it for some of us , me included, if I was really concerned about weight - I would cut down on the pies ! Keep it coming !
Motorcycling has changed from my place of escape & my place of quiet time alone inside my helmet, to a media frenzy and extravaganza of attempting to explain to everyone why I ride the way that I ride on what I choose to ride, and then pretending to be having fun at motorcycle social gatherings where all the bikes are parked and no one is riding, during some of the best weather of the riding season. Local road conditions, legislation and enforcement, and each rider's motorcycle handling skills will always determine what power/weight configuration is best for any and every rider. Within those parameters, we are spoiled for choice and motorcycles become items on a menu, at a certain restaurant. If we are not trying something different off the menu from time to time, if we always go to the same restaurant.. we are missing out. Metal fenders one day, plastic fenders the next.. or choose a motorcycle with carbon fiber fenders, and eliminate the dilemma all together; the point is, just ride.
Thank God for small motorcycle owners. I can easily push my 250 Virago up all sorts of inclines backwards and forwards, or turn it around in narrow trails with just inches of space. 147 kilos fully loaded. I owned a 99 kilo Honda H100 - imagine how easy that was to move around tight spaces! When I hear people describe 650s as "small" or low on power I'm genuinely baffled. What planet are these people on? Small light bikes are fun. If you want a laugh, read the stories of people who dropped their Harleys or Goldwings and couldn't get them up until they called a friend to help. Poor silly buggers! If I wanted to ride a tank I'd buy a tank. Huzzah for small fun bikes and all who ride them!
I have been using a Scram 411 as my only transport since 2022, having downsized from a Shadow 1100. Has been a perfect town bike and even though I will be getting a second, higher powered bike later this year, I will be keeping the Scram. I have no doubt that the 350 would be as good. Having ridden a number of big cruisers, weight isn't something that bothers me, despite being 5' 6" and in my 60s.
I’m 71 and currently ride a Honda Forza 750 which comes in at 235kg and even though I am a bit of a weakling, I have no problem with the weight. Although I would struggle if I ever needed to push it up my sloping drive. Maybe I should dig out those weights 😂 Another great video, thanks Stu.
I was looking at one if those the other day in the dealership. It looks the business but I have to get over "it's a scooter!" However getting my "leg over" is getting more difficult these days ( stop) and the Forza looks like a beautiful machine. How is it to live with?😊
@@barrydaly2292 I personally love it, comfortable and easy to ride. It sounds and handles like a motorbike, the fuel economy is excellent I’m getting 74mpg without trying to be economical. The only thing I’d say is if you are on the short side it might not be so good, I’m 5ft 8in with a 30in inside leg and I’m on the balls of my feet. Best to get a test ride and see how you feel.
I have ridden all three models of the 350 RE bikes. Weight never entered my mind. They all felt solid and well balanced. To the lad you was worried about that, I would say the Hunter would, probably, be his best choice. Now, since I live out here in the wild west with roads that call for higher cruising speeds, none of the 350 REs would satisfy my needs. I have ridden the Interceptor and the Super Meteor and either of those would work better out here. I do, however, hope that RE builds a 500cc version of the Classic. That is when my money would jump out of the bank account and into the dealer's coffers. Imagine that thumper with a glorious basso profundo sound and a cruising speed of 75+ on my ride to Devils Tower or Spotted Horse for a beer and a sandwich.
Except for a few exceptions l don't believe motorcycles are much heavier. Many of us have got older, weaker and wobblier. l concur with you, l never gave any consideration to the weight..l just thought as many of us do/did think, l like the look of that Bike, gotta have it!! Years a go when l owned a BMW 800, later a 1000cc airheads l had to manipulate them backwards through a side gate, down a short length of path, manipulate it though the front gate onto the path then use my neighbours drop kerb to ride off...l never gave it a second thought ..(honestly)...l was 34 years old and fit as a fiddle!.... plus, since they were Boxers most of the weight..CG.. was low down..a major point as regards weight distribution..Move on 43 years never considering the weight until after a few months of manoeuvring a VFR 800 about on my drive... l thought I'm gonna drop this thing one day! ...Age had caught up with me, so had corresponding muscle weakness...l had to reappraise where l was in life... Looking to a 350 Classic for last bike..
2 thumbs up! I started on a Honda CL350 and owned a RD350 a few years later. Small and cramped they were much lighter but buzzy and a bit squirrelly at highway speed. Well over twice the power but at nearly 10,000 rpm. The 350 J makes its power at useable rpm. The weight makes them planted at highway speed. Also, Indian made 350's are larger than the old 350's we rode back in the day. The Meteor 350 is actually the size and weight of an early '80's Honda 450. Outstanding video Stuart!
Doesn't matter how fit you are , when your winter gear catches on the clutch actuator on the engine case and you are trying to get your foot down , yep ! down you go ! ( 350 meteor on a blind junction ) trying to get myself out from under the bike before someone came round the corner , it's f****n heavy !!!
"350's Are Overweight And Underpowered" Do people expect these bikes to have a titanium frame or something?? If they'd had a titanium frame, then you'd pay more than the $3000-$8000 for these bikes. $8000 would probably be the minimum price for the bike if it'd been built with titanium frame Plus, the power level of a 350 is actually ideal for beginners
For city riding motorcycles and scooters 400cc and under are generally better suited than larger or heavier options. As an older rider (68), I do now consider the overall weight of a motorcycle when contemplating a purchase. As Stuart correctly says weight is not a factor when riding, however if you contemplate a situation where you need to manually manoeuvre the bike on an incline, then I know my limitations.
i agree. I store my bike in a purpose built shed with a ramp, coz the garage has been tanked out and converted into my office, which means wheeling it up backwards, and while a 125 weighing 120kg is relatively easy (it still takes a bit of effort), a 200kg+ bike is a different matter lol. Given a choice i'd still prefer a bike on the lighter side when riding, power to weight ratio and all that. GL
Great video as always Stu. As a Meteor 350 owner with over 10K Miles, I can attest that it will take most things in its stride. From country lanes, city riding and fast(ish) blasts through France, it never felt under powered or left behind. it's not fast but it is fast enough.
Spot on Stuart. I had a little 125 when I started motorcycling just 6 short years ago. The bike weighed 124kg had just over 9hp and 7nm of torque. I weigh 124kg, so if I wanted the bike to be lighter/faster/more economical etc then I could cut out the pies! I have a Classic500 and a Super Meteor 650. I'm aware that they're both 'heavy' only because that's what the spec sheet says, not because of any handling or manouvering issues with the bikes. Both bikes are a pleasure to ride and the only time I notice the weight is pushing the SM off the centre stand after washing it and that's only because my driveway is very steep. Keep up the good work. I always enjoy your insights and 99% of the time agree with your thoughts 👍
for us 'height'challenged' folk, the limiting factor has always been seat height. If you can get both feet on the ground the weight of nearly any bike is manageable.
Heydavemyers1. Spot on fella. Best thing is always try before you buy. My Street Twin is 760mm, perfect. BUT, I've also got a Fantic Caballero 500 scrambler. Seat height 820mm. But it's quite manageable due to the suspension. I was amazed & delighted!
Working for a motorcycle auction house, I can assure you that older bikes (especially 50's British iron) are extremely heavy. Combined with poorly designed centre stands, they can be an absolute pain to move around. BSA are the worst culprits, Ariel the easiest.
I own a classic 350 and I love it. However, strictly for city riding, going from A to B, shopping etc. I would recommend nothing but a good quality scooter. Light and agile, comfortable, cheap to buy, cheap to fuel, Powerful Enough and plenty of luggage space. No big bike of any brand can compete with a scooter for that purpose.
I agree, I've ridden for 45 years and weight is not an issue on well designed bikes. I ride a 900 lb plus Goldwing and VTX and the weight is low and well balanced. I just purchased a Classic 350 and the weight again is properly balanced and easy to handle. I will add a heavier bike stays planted on the road and tracks better as long as the weight is properly distributed. I have only been on one bike that had poor weight distribution which I refused to buy. The Classic 350 got it right.
You forgot about electric starters and batteries😉. I've got a wee Suzuki AX100. It's an old school 2-stroke that feels pretty much like riding a bicycle. It's kick start only and I've tinkered with it stripped it down so the only electronics are the headlight which the magneto powers (kind of). It's VERY quick (not fast).
Great post Stewart. My first bike was a 350 RD , and at 72 years of age my classic will probably be my last. I have had many Tupperware torpedos in the past half century, which makes a certain amount of sense in Australia. I still have an RT1150 which I love, but since I bought the classic, the BM just gathers cobwebs because the Enfield is pure magic, but only for 'pottering around on. 😅
I ride a Continental GT 650 and I've been having a blast with it, it's fast enough and nimble enough to keep it putting a smile on my face. I found that I've put more time in the saddle last year on the 650 more than my Ducati and Harley. Parts and maintenance is cheap and it's easy to work on.
Test ride your proposed new / second hand bike to make sure you understand what you are getting into. If the shop you are planning to buy from will not allow you to test ride, then shop somewhere else. And do not limit yourself to one brand. Also, how and what do you think you will be doing on the bike 90% of the time. A question to ask yourself before watching TH-cam reviews. For me, I plan to pass my MOD 2 Feb 9th and then go an get my CB500F (2022 680miles first service done) from my Honda dealer. Used it for two years to get my no claims going in the right direction and then open up the chocolate box of motorcycles available to me then. I am also weighted towards using non-motorways for 95% of my journeys around the UK and elsewhere, something learned on my CB125F. Ride safe, keep well
I bought a Himalayan when they first came out. I loved it. Tempted by the looks of the Classic 350 I traded it in for one of those. I found the 350 a decent bike, with good handling and adequate power. The weight was not an issue. But, after about a year I have gone back to a Himalayan (an air cooled Euro 5 one). In the end I found the 350 a bit stodgy and not so much fun as the Himmie. The Himmie invites you to chuck it round more, it has more power, it loves it when the road deteriorates into a track. It has a great turning circle and makes a great town as well as country bike. I also don't worry about getting it dirty. There is no shiny stuff to worry about. I am not keen on the new water cooled one. The simplicity of air cooling has gone and the upside down forks are just silly on this class of bike. The fork seals always fail.
Yup. I have an older REAL Bullet 350. I get about 72 miles/gallon fuel cruising at 55 mph, and she can hit 120 mph, no problem. Tried the new model RE 350 last month. Lucky to get 45 MPG, and I couldn't get it over 95 mph going downhill with a tailwind. Told the dealer, "Meh.... you can keep it"...
I am 84 and already exercise with lighter weights in order to ride, and push around my motorcycles.... I might need to take ballet lessons in order to get my leg over my G650GS when panniers are fitted ,but can still just about do the splits when alighting haha!! My easier bike to move and ride is my American Buell 1200cc which is designed better than any other bike as it is fan cooled and yet the brakes are superb compared to any other bike I have owned.... Thanks Stuart keep up the good work . graham in Western Australia ....
As 6 foot plus blokes some of us aren't worried about weight . However smaller people , disabled people and older people may need a lighter bike . Riding moast bikes is easy enough but maneuvering them in tight spaces, getting them on and off the stand could be difficult . However no one can advise a buyer on the weight distribution. Try bikes for yourselves .
People confuse BHP and torque 🤷♂️ Torque is a ture measure of engine power output But BHP is bias towards higher RPM Double the revs equals double the BHP, but it’s the torque where the true power is So on paper lower reving singles and twins don’t look fast, but just look at Ducati’s and Buells 🏍️💨💥💨💥💨💥
All of your points are absolutely valid. Ultimately it is a matter of personal preferences based upon a riders priorities and values. Weight is always a factor for me when buying a motorcycle, probably because I started out 40+ years ago on light weight single cylinder, air cooled two strokes. The Royal Enfield Hunter 350 weighs 399lbs, or about 6 lbs less than my Yamaha MT-07, which for a small single is too much for my liking. But 400lbs is still fairly light. Some of the chaps I ride with are on Harley Davidsons in the 700 lbs to 900 lbs range, which is about right for the Bismarck but not a motorcycle.
Not enough criteria there. My 1953 ajs 350 weighed the same as a Hunter. 70 years of new design and materials later, same weight! Other makes have 3 to 400 cc bikes at 50 lbs less, and double the bhp. My current 865 Triumph has wheels 1 inch less diameter than others in the range but with the same centre stand. With my 78 year strength I cant lift it onto centre stand. Regards, still a good blog
Stu, I agree with what you’re saying. Now, I spent a year on a Honda 250 clone dual sport before I upgraded to the Interceptor here in the USA. That little bike is absolutely fast enough for actual city riding. I live in a larger East Coast metro area. Now I do not know if my countryman was actually talking about city riding. See, over here and I don’t know when the last time you visited was but I am guessing it was before the pandemic. In theory I could take the 250 on the interstate. But it tops out around 60 MPH. See since ‘20 speed enforcement here is almost non existent and everybody is for the most part exceeding the speed limit by around 20 MPH. So you’re good right until you get onto anything with a 55 MPH limit or higher. In which case you have a pretty good chance of getting punted into the next county by someone who doesn’t see you while you’re minding your business. I think he was asking: Can I get the damn thing going fast enough not to get trucked quickly enough? Because that’s what he should be worried about. That’s why I now own an Interceptor and not a SCRAM.
I had a fuel line issue a while ago, and a stranger was nice enough to stop and help me get gas after it was fixed. In the process, he rode my classic 350 around the block. The first comment he had as a Triumph rider was "This is so light, you can really throw it around!" I don't have experience riding anything other than the Yamaha TW200 I learned on, but I thought he same thing when I first rode my RE. It looks kinda big and has a lot of metal, but it feels light as a bicycle once you get going
Being an “old guy”, with well over 50 years of riding, I have been lightening up for years. I got tired of maneuvering my half-ton of Goldwing around for 15 years, so I dropped a couple of hundred pounds by swapping for an R1200RT. After 6 years of great riding, I dropped yet another hundred pounds by trading for a new F750GS. I still have the great cross country ability without feeling as if I’m pushing the Queen Mary about the garage. My RE Int 650 feels like riding a scooter compared to them all and is the “perfect” city bike. They all go fast, if that’s what you want… it’s just down to comfort and practicality on a day to day basis. It’s not just size that counts.
Hi Stuart, greetings from Brazil. This is a great video, as usual! I have a Classic 350, love it to the bones, and I like it's weight, specially crossing busses ot trucks, it handles well the turbulence. Could it have a little more power? YES, just a bit. What if the weight was reduced by 10%? Could it improve the performance a bit without impacting the great handling? Reducing weight to get more performance is the concept behind the cafe racers. I don't mean having plastic mudgards or so, but reducing weight at the engine. It seems this engine could produce the same power with less weight, or produce more power, like the 650 with a spice kit.
Thank you Stuart. I love my REC350. The power is adequate; in fact I never even think about it. I just work the gearbox and smile. (But Wisconsin snow has me watching videos for a few months). 😊
As you correctly state, Stuart, it's all about centre of gravity. I bought an old ’72 CB750 Honda to recommission and sell on (the price was good, despite not liking the bikes… even when riding a borrowed one for a few thousand miles when they first appeared), and it was far harder to manoeuvre around the garage than the much heavier old Electra Glide it shared garage space with, due to the Honda's top heavy weight distribution. In my seventies now, and with dodgy legs, I find my RE Interceptor to be the perfect bike for my needs… fast enough for a thrash on fast roads or autoroutes/motorways, but without any embarrassing excesses that require electronic interventions to be easy on 'normal' roads, as well as being easily 'tinkerable' for improvements or home maintenance (I've never kept a bike bog standard in my life).
The 1970 Honda CL350 two cylinder dual purpose bike was about 33 HP and 350 pounds with turn signals, electric start and "high pipes".. Ir's 2024 AD, I dunno why a clean sheet design 350cc machine exceeds 400 pounds and churns out just 20 hp. The J-bike is frugal, but...?
With regard to this discussion about the power of modern motorcycles and what is regarded as necessary, I see in the latest MCN that there are road going machines available from certain major manufacturers that have 200bhp engines. That will give insurers something about which to think carefully. And no doubt there are people who will buy/rent these machines that seem to me to be utterly insane!
Great explanation Stu , most modern day bikes are heavier but like you say most are also better balanced and built to more stringent safety designs, I think one of the main issues is seat hight (well for me been a short arse at 5,6) especially on these new adventure bikes and the weight is usually higher up on them too , not an issue with the modern day classic sensible seat heights and lower down weight distribution makes for a an enjoyable ride , if you want more power people have options of the T100 or T120 personally I find my 650 Interceptor more than enough to have a enjoyable ride out either short or long distance.
As i recall my Honda Cb 250 n was about the same weight as my Meteor 350 and power was similar too but it felt much heavier than the meteor because with a full tank of fuel it always felt a bit clumsy and top heavy when slow riding in traffic but was a well respected commuter bike even considered fairly sporty for a four stroke
Before I left the UK I had various large CC bikes, discounted most bikes under a 600CC, due to my size and weight, plus not needing a bike for commuting or regular trips to cities. However now I live in SE Asia, I can't think of a good enough reason to own a motorcycle over a scooter, other than image, and that's not an issue here as it can be in the UK. Given this started out as answering a question for Mark, an American viewer looking for a city bike, I couldn't in all good conscience recommend a RE. If I was looking for a city/commuter transport, my first consideration, assuming image isn't a deciding factor, would be a scooter. If the city traveling is short distance and low speed, something like an ADV 160 would be ideal, fully auto twist and go: outdoes most geared motorcycles from 0-30 MPH, tops out at about 65 (depending on how big/heavy the rider is) and returns 55-65 MPG, more if you're not riding like an oik. More practical than most motorcycles and unless you want to buy into a big bike image, has urban style and if the weight was any lower down it would be on the road, its also a lot lighter than the RE. Using highways regularly to get to the city? The ADV350 or the Forza 350 also twist and go, provides just as much city practicality, but is physically larger and will cruise all day at 75-80MPH even with a big bloke riding it. In the US it's probably a lot cheaper than a RE, and offers the same practicality and ease of riding, especially for a less experienced rider, than any motorcycle. From a personal perspective, I stop caring what anyone thought of me over 40 years ago, even if returning to the UK I wouldn't ever buy a motorcycle again having experienced the advantages of scooters. I appreciate I've only mentioned Honda scoots, but they come in all makes, flavours and colours to suit your taste and budget. They tend to be ridden with more mechanical sympathy than motorcycles and might well be cheaper to insure. As an urban transport solution you would be a fool to discount scooters just because they don't look like a motorcycle or are automatic. As far as the video, quite a good summation of the REs, if 0-60 and scraping pegs are your biggest concerns,byou probably ought to buy a RE and you'll probably ride injury free for longer. And like the poster, I've never considered the weight of a bike, buy a 90s Pan European, and the weight simply doesn't matter, unless you lay it down, then call a tow truck truck! 😉
I owned one for a year and it was a very pleasant bike to pootle about on. At the end of the day though, I'd probably have to agree that it is heavy and lacking in power (overtaking pretty much anything is almost impossible). Not that I'm a fan of sports bikes, indeed I mostly ride old British bikes so, as I've no doubt many people like myself were looking for, the Little RE seemed a good and practical choice. All good until the BSA Goldstar was introduced and then I suddenly had power and grunt but still with a proper vintage look,feel and, most importantly to me, a single cylinder. Not that I'm belittling the RE as, if it makes you happy, then all's well and good. I'm just happier with the BSA.
I had the same feeling on the Genuine 400 C in the US aka the Mash 400. Everyone told me it would be heavy and slow steering. But when I rode it it was more nimble and lighter than any cruiser and most modern retro bikes. It was a blast to ride around town and on country roads. I can’t wait to ride one of these 350cc R/E’s
A little late to see this video but I did enjoy your take on this and can relate. I think one of the problems is what feels heavy for one person is ok for another and others in-between. I am lucky enough to have several bikes and the weight difference between them is probably 50Kg and I must admit I don't even think about it, I guess I just enjoy the riding to notice. You did make me chuckle suggesting people should get weight training to solve the problem. Roll on the summer and better weather 😀
As someone who used to own a Harley Davidson Electra Glide that weighed about 1000 pounds with pillion and gear, the idea of a 350 as being too heavy is a bit absurd. But, to a new rider that weight of a 350 seems much. One could always choose a dual-sport bike that weighs much less but a road bike needs a bit of bulk so it does not get blown about in traffic. My suggestion is buy the 350. Even if it seems "big" at first, soon it will feel "small." Case in point, I drove 18 wheeler big trucks. When first learning how to drive they felt like maneuvering a barge. Eventually, it felt like driving a sports car! I asked a pilot friend who flew 747s if the plane felt big, and he said no bigger than a Cessna.
My wife and I own a matching pair of meteors. We both agree that the weight gives them a very stable ride. I'd be lying to say there aren't times I'd like a little more power but that is invariably on fast A roads or motorway. That said I have been on longer trips and provided my expectations are realistic, I've been quite content . I am a well fed chap and cruising at 60 - 65 is perfectly achievable on all but the steepest hills.
Each to his own, but I do find it hard to fathom why people get so upset about other peoples opinions, you can just ignore them? I had a blast on my lads 10.7HP CB125F which was a hoot to ride and was miserly with fuel. I did a nice little bit of country commuting on that and enjoyed every mile. But, objectively the RE's are overweight for this day and age. My old 70's air-cooled CB350K4 made 36HP and had a dry weight of 149kg. A Meteor by comparison with its 20hp and 17 ~ 175Kg dry weight is way off the mark for fifty years later. You could blame Euro regs for the power but it doesn't forgive the weight.
I was concerned about the weight of the Meteor 350 for riding in heavy Bangkok traffic. But after getting it, and getting used to it, I enjoy its solidity. It's highly manoeuvrable. Tonight some young people were captivated by the beauty of my Meteor (washed and waxed to the full Fillingham standard), and they were taking selfies with it. It really is timeless.
As i am in my 57th yr and being brought up on a plethora of 70`s/80`s heavyweights from the jap4 i find modern stuff tiny and too light for my 6ft frame.I stayed with the old stuff 😀.
My wife's 125 Honda had 12 bhp and hit 70mph quite happily, it was waaaay less than Enfields 200kg the Enfield is overweight but I suppose with its all metal construction it is going to be heavy... that said so was the wifes Honda so that negates that point... As much as I love the Enfield 350 it is a bit of a slug... the Scram 411 makes 7hp more for a 60cc increase in capacity and still has similar performance... folks are not asking for rocketships... just something a bit peppier and lighter. My old 250 Suzuki was approx 28hp and weigh almost the same and did 85mph... C'mon Enfield... lets have less weight and a LITTLE bit more go
As usual, well said. Bikes could be made of mostly titanium but they would be prohibitive in cost. Weight is only an issue when moving the bike around the garage.
The latest "The Classic MotorCycle" magazine covers the 1958 BSA B33 (a 35o single) and lists a weight similar to the current RE 350 Classic. The lighter contemporary motorcycles in this displacement range are usually based on an off road version such where virtually every part that can be plastic, is.
Great comparison using the power to weight ratios of the bikes against your 1.5 Mini. I reckon you could still keep ahead of the Mini a bit beyond 30mph though.
Buy a bike because you fall in love with it. Because you ride it and can’t help but smile. I have just bought a classic 350. I am probably considered a youngster when you consider the usual demographic for this bike. I am 37. Most people look at me as though they suddenly see an old man with a pipe and slippers before them when I tell them what bike I own. Then they go on about power. Bla bla. Honestly I don’t give a hoot about power. For me you should buy a bike because you love it. The classic 350 is an incredible bike. Full of heart and enough power to get you about plenty. I have ridden a 125 up and down the m4 and I know people who have taken 50cc over to France and back. People need to re asses what they are buying bikes for and maybe should just buy a car instead.
I live in the midst of some pretty steep mountains. One of my favorite places to ride is a canyon road that holds a 10% grade for about 5 miles. Going up that steep hill is the only time I've felt like my Classic 350 was underpowered. By that, I mean I'm forced to drop a gear and my speed tops at around 45mph rather than 60. It's got more than enough power to make the trip, I just get a little nervous since cars behind me rarely enjoy going below 60, and there are only two places to pass along the whole 15 mile stretch 😅
As an American, I can say for myself that I should be more concerned with losing some weight and adding some power to myself before I start to nitpick my ride. I'm confident my ride would agree if it could talk.
I have the Classic 350 and it is fine powerwise until it hits a Nevada wind. Then you can barely hit 45 to 50 mph at full throttle in 4th gear dropping it to 60 mpg. Unfortunately as the weather turns bad the quicker you want to get home, but the slower you go. My Yamaha XT250 is faster, but it is 100lbs lighter and blown around by the wind. The RE is very stable in the wind and is great for the dirt roads that degrade to near trail status in places where the milage goes up to around 80 mpg.
@@stuartfillingham Speed limit here is 70 mph. I never worry about exceeding it. Don't get me wrong I love the bike and drive pretty much 60 mph when it will go that fast, but 45 on a mild hill is pretty much the norm. I am 184 lbs. The bike just has never had much top end to it. I couldn't tell you if there is a speed limiter on it at 73 mph, it's never gotten there. I think eventually I will partner it with a 650.
The first motorcycle I had after I passed my test was an Ariel NH 350 Red Hunter. 20bhp and 160kg. I rode it two up with luggage and on a motorway. It never occurred to me that it was heavy or underpowered. Because it wasn't. It was very similar power to weight ratio as the modern Enfield 350s. Perfectly adequate for the purpose they are sold for.
I bought a Meteor 350 as a second bike, it’s a cracking little bike for the money 4K OTR good MPG you can hustle it around the twistiest, I keep off motorways, it’s a great bike for pottering around. The weight thing never been a thing for me.
I have owned a V max two fireblades an R1 an R6 a vl 1500 a VN 800 and a multitude of two stroke 250/500 size bikes and though not the fastest but certainly one of my fastest bikes around / across town is my Royal Enfield 350 Meteor it is a fairly heavy bike but that weight makes it totally stable even passing trucks and buses and doesn’t blow about on the road , it has the perfect balance of torque and power for riding in town and its ability to be ridden at walking pace but still accelerates very well in traffic , mine is now de restricted for running on highways at a relaxed 70 16 tooth front sprocket helps that but it was standard through running in and warranty and the performance was the same in town and on top of all that i get an easy 85 mph and rides very well with a passenger, the only negative was during the first 500 miles the rear shocks would rattle ur teeth a bit on a bumpy road , but thats gone away as the miles have risen , it handles bloody well is very very comfortable and i have had no issues with it at all👍🙂
I was initially concerned about weight when choosing a new motorbike as I've mainly ridden bicycles for the last twenty years. Thankfully I manned-up and got a classic 350 which is perfect for my needs and doesn't have a silly 6th gear or a dumb-arse 'what gear am I in?' indicator! Great video.
Hello Stuart, Hitchcocks claim their Performance Camshaft increases power at the rear wheel by 5HP. I suppose the question is, would it be a worth while upgrade for a 5 HP increase?? I love the looks of the Classic 350, but for now I'm sticking with my Interceptor 650.
It has the same performance envelope as my old 1972 Honda CB125, and has finally acquired the same level of technology (SOHC). It does what a CB125 does, but with "big bike" feel and a bit more room to stretch out on. And it goes "dug-dug-dug-dug". So I'd rather have the Enfield.
They are great little bikes for what they are . Would I love a 650 chrome classic? Oh yes or a 650 classic in green , yes again . But with the state of UK roads ,for pottering about down country lanes ,these little 350cc are great .The DNA air filter does make a difference [ It may be just the noise from the induction that makes it sound its going quicker] but I LOVE these little bikes.
I ride a B M W K75c its a lump of a bike , i can get it on and off the stand easily, its all down to technique and balance , it has a grab bar under the frame which extends out when you need to put the bike on its stand , like you say Stu leverage and balance is the key , & ive turned 73 , i have no problems with it . 😊
I have a little meteor and ride regularly to work 52 mile round trip, mostly motorway, and it handles great. I was on it last week in them strong winds and its no problem. I have a big old Pan European and thats a lot worse when its really windy on the motorway. Anyone saying these bikes are too underpowered and no good on the motorway probably shouldn't venture onto the motorway with any vehicle, it runs great and makes me smile every time i ride it.
To me, RE are excellent bikes for rookies, whatever old are they (I'm not sure of the syntax? I'm not an english locutor). A Royal Enfield, and especially the 350 line, is the PERFECT first bike. You learn all you need to learn, to stay alive on the road, after have passed the Driving Licence. Weight isn't a problem here. Thx Stuart for all your good advices and the transmission of your experience.
As I get older( I'm 61) weight of the bike is becoming an issue. Maybe they're getting heavier, I'm getting weaker, or both. Back surgery and heart problems are part of this, so weight is important to me now. My '15 Triumph Bonnie is just under 500 lbs./227kgs.
The very same problem with modern vehicles of any type really. Cars of old were exceptional light and far smaller in volume. EV's aren't not helping matters either.
I’m in the market for a new bike and am probably going to get a Hunter. Not worried about weight but wanted one lighter than my current bike, a Honda Deauville; thankfully that’s most bikes anyway! I’ve test ridden a Scram, Classic 350 and a Hunter and they’re all very easy to push around, and also very easy to ride slowly. Far more important to see how manageable they are rather than reading numbers on a spec sheet
i jsed to like riding my 500 electra it made a change to my aprillia falco and bmw r1200 st it was just fun thats why i sold them and bought a 650 interceptor with sidecar even more fun.
From my perspective the only issue about weight is where is the center of gravity. A Honda Gold Wing and a Harley Davidson Ultra Limited weigh within one hundred pounds of each other. Ride them back to back and you’ll see exactly what I mean. A Gold Wing feels significantly lighter at low speeds. Fill the six gallon tank on the HD and try maneuvering at low speed and you’ll feel the difference right away. It is one of the most top heavy bikes I’ve ever ridden. Both bikes are smooth and comfortable at highway speeds and either can cover hundreds of miles daily with the rider arriving at their destination without feeling worn out. In my opinion, neither bike is suitable for a beginning rider. Walk before running. All of Royal Enfield’s 350 models are very suitable for beginning or returning riders and are perfect for most roads other than the highways that criss cross America.
Hi, Stuart, I feel I would like to say that, as you alluded to, the perceived weight of a bike may be proportional to actual bike riding experience. As a former motorcycle instructor I have often seen physically large, fit individuals comment about the "really heavy" moped/125. As we all know a motorbike doesn't weigh anything once moving and the biggest physical input is a bit of hip movement and bar input. I've seen huge rugby players struggling to get a bike on the centre stand until proper physics and bio- mechanics have been taught. Personally, I am, lets say, a skinny wee fella who, by working my way up from rubbish little (lightweight "peds' to the original XZ10, over 160kg/180mph), have now been working my way down to the small, lightweight Royal Enfield 350s For the "take time to smell the roses" that got me into bikes. Ladies and gentlemen please don't be put off by the weight of a bike, just learn, (where best to park/(slope, gravel etc./ which stand to use and PRACTICE). Remember, the centre of gravity will often dictate just how " heavy" a bike actually feels, ie low cruiser vs adventure tourer style. CONFIDENCE, TRAINING and PRACTICE (in a safe environment) is key. GO FOR IT !! 👍
I agree with all your reasons - for a road bike. For an off-road or "adventure" bike, weight becomes a large factor in control and lifting after a crash.
Hmm Same principles of leverage and centre of Gravity apply! With a 200kg bike you are effectively lifting less than 70kg. If thats a struggle for you Your abilities are well below average
Good morning Stu. Great video. I mostly agree with what you say about the weight . I have a 650 Matchless and a modern 650 Enfield which are of similar size and weight and don’t find them heavy. I probably wouldn’t consider buying a Triumph Rocket Three as I think that would be too heavy.
Commuting in cities. Question 1, If had to do this commute in a car (US: automobile) would I choose to do in a manual (US: Stick shift) or an automatic? If the answer is automatic, then one should seriously consider a scooter. It'll be quicker than an RE 350 up to 30 mph as well.... However, if one is so prejudiced that one thinks that scooters are only for girls or Italians males (heaven forfend!), then a bike with gears might be the only choice. Re: Weight. I agree with all that you've said, Stuart. Plus wheels and tyres have become wider and heavier over the years. fork stanchions have become wider and heavier for that "rugged" look, we have electric starters and their heavyweight batteries, balancer shafts and their drive gears, we have idiot switches like side-stand interlocks and their assocaited cabling, bigger, heaver alternators to drive more powerful lights and heated gear. It goes on ...... Let us not forget that RE's main market is India where many of the roads are appalling or non-existant. If the bikes were not so sturdy and heavy , there would be no customers at all. Yes, the frames have to be made of steel because the rural blacksmith can't weld aluminium (US: aluminum).
My wife is overweight and under-powered...but I still love her too.....
You ,Sir, are a gentleman
You made me laugh snort out loud, thank you!
Classic 😂
Jajajajaja qué grande eres!!!
This is why I don't migrate towards other motorcyclists, generally. It's a never-ending tirade of what's right, and what's wrong with everyone else's bike. All bikes are good quality nowadays. Not perfect, but that's ok. The main decider for anyone acquiring a new machine should be - do you like the bike? If the answer is yes, put the money down and feel happy. Done!
I'm an instructor, so I get plenty or people asking me what would make a good first bike, because mates have filled their heads with all the stuff about power and weight. Apparently, my Moto Guzzi V100 is underpowered because it only has 115bhp. Go figure. My Scram isn't a 'proper bike' because it's underpowered...
@WishfulThinking-ms2cf Torque is good.
@markelliott5620
It’s good to torque….
Get asked about this everywhere I ride my 350. It's a 350, its all metal, what do you expect? Want to go fast buy something else. 20 hp will get you around town just fine. Just stay off those 75 mph freeways....
Won't be long before all the towns and cities in the U.K are 20mph and the Motorways 50 mph .... *strangely enough the ones I seem to travel on are always 50mph* 😏.... so 20bhp will be fine 😊
I have ridden a 125 cc along a motorway before. It got me from A to B….. eventually. 😂 For me there is never a can’t as long as you are having amazing fun on two wheels.
I'm going Honda GB 350 50yr old CBs still running. always been the best
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Had Honda's. Great machine, run forever, low maintenance. Only complaint was a lack of soul or personality. That's not important to many and I get it. As far as being the best, seems most new bikes from major brands have gotten better over the years. Technology and processes have made bikes more dependable. Brand choices are subjective and personal. So far the RE has been dependable and easy to maintain and definitely is the odd man out on rides. Whatever you buy, enjoy and ride safe.
It's too heavy for a Hamster. For a motorcycle it is not. It feels planted, safe and secure. Surefooted I might say. This is possibly my favorite motorcycle to ride. I've had anything from small bore 2-strokes to HD ultra classics. The 350 Classic reborn is as near perfect as they come.
Agreed with all of that, especially the RE-Js.
The only time weight starts to become an issue is your age.
As a beat up 67 year old, even most 650s are becoming too big.
The low CofG on the Js make them very manageable without downsizing even further.
Great video as usual.
One thing I've noticed in my 70 years of owning all kinds of motor vehicles is longevity!
If you fish you'll notice on the lake there's a lot of old 9.9 horsepower motors but not a whole lot of old 15 horsepower motors. That's because they're the same motor! That extra 50% power comes with a price!
Just doesn't last as long!
I considered putting the 865 kit on my interceptor. But then I realized on a hot summer day it was just going to be that much hotter. And I guarantee it won't last as long. Especially the clutch.
I love your videos I wish I could take a ride with ya Maybe someday but if I go overseas I think it'll be to Tuscany region of Northern Italy! If I rent a bike more than likely it'll be a Moto guzzi!
Ciao.
I owned a Royal Enfield 350cc Bullet from 1999 to 2019. Ten years as a solo then ten years as a sidecar tug. It was my everyday transport. All year round in all weather. Yes, I modified it - mainly for reliability and ease of maintenance. It eventually developed a whopping 18 horse power and could cruise all day at 50mph.
But here's the thing - the urban roads I commuted on a daily basis were 30mph yet traffic rarely moved at more than 20mph. It still doesn't move any faster today and I don't even live in Wales!
Aside from massaging their egos and 'bragging rights down the pub' most riders would probably be quite happy with a relatively low powered motorcycle.
Agreed 👍🏽
For how much interaction you have on your channel, you are one of the few YT channels I follow that have 100k subs, that responds to the masses of comments! Really enjoy your personality and attitude! Real man! We have few of them today
The 350s are such cool little bikes. Hope RE don't increase the price at all. It's a brilliant package at the moment.
Classic 350 isn't heavy it's solid and strong , that's what I paid for , thank you Royal Enfield, wonderful motorcycle
I started riding in 1982 and I don't remember everyone being obsessed with power and weight. Top speed and CCs where the metrics of the day. I can tell you the engine size and claimed top speed of all my bikes back then but weight/power/torque not a clue I'd have to google it. For many riders it's just bragging rights. Most of us would be shocked if we knew how little of our bikes power we use most of the time
Me too 👍 After many years of big, heavy, powerful bikes, climbing back down the size/performance ladder has been much more satisfying than I ever thought it could be. It's a different kind of motorcycling. More engaging and definitely more relevant to today's roads. The RE350's are heavy enough to feel planted but light enough to go anywhere too. I've explored so many of those lanes I used to ride past thinking 🤔 where does that go.
Great video on the myth of horsepower. Even racing when I was younger (A lot...) the most horsepower was never the indicator of the one across the finish line first. Useable horsepower, torque, weight distribution, handling and in a lot of cases waterproofing were way more important.
That was a great way to describe how power to weight ratio works 👍 The bike market sells bikes on lighter , faster and more power! but in reality the more power a bike has the less of it you can use ! British Roads are not silky smooth racetracks and I think this is where Royal Enfield have hit a sweet spot. Great bikes for the roads we have .
Great video 👍👍
Brilliant video as always Stuart and I think all the RE 350's are fantastic, you just have to decide what flavour you want 🙂👍🏻
@@udaysingh9_11 had them and still like all of them 👍🏻
Hi Stuart.
I bought a Classic 500 at a late age a couple of years ago. I’m 64 now, and my muscle power and balance isn’t what it once was (-despite working out)
The first couple of weeks I thought I had made a mistake and should have gone for a smaller model such as a 350.
But there’s much to gain from experience in learning how to handle the bike, and today I wouldn’t even consider switching.
I don’t think that 20kg’s or so less would make any real difference now I’ve learned to handle my 500.
I have no doubt that the 350’s have sufficient power to the weight but I would probably miss that wonderful NM of the Classic 500😊
I watched a You tube video by a guy in the States and he was running his Hunter on the freeway at 70 MPH, no problem, and the bike seemed plenty powerful enough to me. His ride did end in disaster though, when he was wiped out by a truck. Weight is important to me, especially as I approach 70; I am close to selling my favourite bike that I have owned for 40 years, because I am struggling to push it out of the garage. I have been considering buying a RE 650, but that is out now due to the weight. Believe me, once past 65 your strength starts to dissipate!
I bought my 650 (super meteor) last year, when I was 69! I wouldn't want to push it uphill, but wheeling it around is really simple. The weight is low and the handlebars fairly wide, so it feels safe to man handle. As a bonus, when it accelerates, my stomach muscles get some exercise. 😊
Quasimotard. He is known for cross country trips on much smaller bikes, mopeds an scooters. Does the Scooter Cannonball every year. I think that crash happened on his normal daily commute. He has a honda rebel so I know he has a few faster bikes, but the hunter was a fast bike compared to what he normally rides. The guy in the Jeep running him down on his brand new RE was just bad timing for the RE. He lives in a bad part of Texas for aggressive drivers an has been talking about moving somewhere safer before this happened.
I am a really experienced motorcyclist. I am 64, and have been riding on the street since age 16. I have owned 47 bikes, from small to huge, everything except crotch rockets and adventure bikes, most of them have been Japanese cruisers. I have ridden just over one million miles, most of that on U.S. freeways. I seriously considered a red and chrome Classic 350 with silver powder coated tubeless wheels as a short range (300-400 miles) solo touring bike. Until I tried to sit on one. I was unable to get on it, because the seat was too high. I had to get rid of my Yamaha XT225 on/off road bike, because the seat was too high for me to get on and off of without standing on something. Once on it, the suspension compressed enough so that I could flat foot it easily. The seat height on the Classic 350 is actually an inch HIGHER than on that bike. Weight is not a problem for me. My 2006 H-D Sportster 1200 wet weight, with a few add on accessories, is right at 600 pounds. I have no problem riding it, because it has a seat height of 25.5", compared to 32" for the Classic 350. That's 6.5" higher than my Sportster, and makes all the difference in the world. I'm actually shocked that such a small street bike would have such a tall seat height.
Yes, I realize that a younger person in good condition would have no problem with that, but at my age, and with what I have done for a living all my life, that involved carrying large heavy things up and down ladders all day every day, which destroyed my knee and hip joints, as well as the muscles, tendons, ligaments, in my legs, I can no longer lift my leg over a high seat. I actually own a couple of step through Vespa scooters now because of that.
I do have a 2013 Royal Enfield Bullet (not Classic) 500 that I bought new, and which I now have to stand on something to get on and off of. I use a piece of 4x4 wood, with a rope attached, and carry it in a magnetic tank bag. But I no longer ride that bike on a regular basis, and because it has tube type tires, I stay close to home on it. A flat tire on that bike means a tow truck. And in fact, in just over 20,000 miles, it has come home on a tow truck 4 times, because of flat tires. Despite those problems, I have no immediate plans to get rid of it, because it is so much fun to ride, unlike any smooth, quiet Japanese bike. The B5 Bullet 500 only weighs 412 pounds, but it is a bit top heavy. Remember the weight of a bike being ridden includes the weight of the rider, and the higher the seat, the higher up that weight is going to be. I have removed the 50 pound three foot long stock exhaust with a much smaller, lighter, better sounding, and cat con free exhaust, and completely eliminated the entire EFI system and replaced it with an Amal Concentric MK1 carburetor. I would like to replace the front wheel with a drum brake model, but that pretty much requires replacing the entire front end, so since it does not have ABS, I decided to just live with it.
I have never considered any motorcycle as being good for carrying passengers. For two reasons. One is weight. I have owned two Honda Goldwings. These were enormous motorcycles with huge fairings, windshields, plastic saddlebags and a trunk, not to mention an engine bigger than some car engines. With all that added weight of the fairing, bags, and trunk, and supporting framework, they were heavy. And their load capacity was severely limited. A 1500cc six cylinder Goldwing, as big as it is, has a max load capacity of 400 pounds, including rider, passenger, and all luggage. Any accessories you add will further decrease that capacity. I weigh 240 myself, which only leaves 160 pounds for a passenger, assuming you have not added anything, and have no luggage. Not very much for a motorcycle designed to carry 2 people and everything but the kitchen sink on several thousand mile trips. The other reason I don't carry passengers is multifold. Their extra weight, placed way up high on the seat, totally ruins the balance of the bike stopping, starting, and going around curves. Then there is the tendency of the passenger to lean the wrong way in curves and turns. And lastly, is how they affect control of the bike in an emergency braking/evasive action situation. Many riders actually tow trailers with motorcycles, something I wouldn't even consider. Riding a motorcycle in traffic is dangerous enough without doing something stupid like that. It may work, until somebody pulls out in front of you. Then you are screwed.
You can reduce the hight of the Classic 350 by 2 inches. RE produce a lower seat that will save one inch and Hagon will make back shocks an inch shorter.
Maybe try a Meteor 350 if seat height is an issue.
Nice to see a detailed and thought-out comment. I broadly agree with all you say. One thing I was not aware of was the capacity limits on the Honda G-W. If what you are saying is right then I suspect almost any two-up G-W's are over that limit. I have previously owned 2 Gold-Wings and only ever rode 'solo'. Indeed i don't like riding with a pillion period. I find it hard work.
I realised many years ago that having only one bike was not ideal. I appreciate it means extra expense but for me I reckon 3 is the ideal number.
1 for touring
1 for daily/regular use
1 for jolly Sunday jaunts to a bike meet
Living in the UK we don't have particularly good weather, even in (often in) summer. As such this year I am going to buy a bike trailer, then I can tow two bikes to Scotland (arguably our best riding roads) and enjoy them once I get there.
I agree at 64 the main issue is seat height and getting your leg over! I think Royal Enfield and the new Triumph 400 are missing out on a lot of potential purchases to older riders, shorter riders and ladies for this reason alone. When I look around a motorcycle museum most bikes are much lower down and accessible for more people. I know there is a reason for it but we don’t all want to go around corners like Freddie Spencer.
Nothing wrong with a chunk of 4x4 and a rope, it could be useful in other ways, too. But respectfully, and from someone older than you, have you tried treading on the LH footrest to mount the bike?
Motorcycle weight has never really been an issue for me in 58 years of riding... The biggest issue for me has always been how easy it it to roll onto it's centre stand. The best bike I had for that was also one of the heaviest, a Laverda RGS1000. Onto the stand so easily. Good design. My 750 laverda twin also was easy on and off the stand. They were both heavy bikes but the roadholding was excellent due to good design.
Same as my B M W K75c, it's technique getting it on and off the stand , it also has a grab bar tucked away within the frame so you can lift it onto the stand , & I've turned 73 .
Good to know that, Graham. I’m after an SF2 this summer; love my Guzzi T3 in every way but a pig to get on the centre stand for me.
Wish I had never got rid of my 750GTL. Over 100,000 miles and running on the original pistons etc. Good maintenance and they go forever. @@nigelfisher3756
I might just be bad at it, but always seems to take me two or three tries to get my Classic 350 on the stand
Hi Stuart can i say i think you skirted round one of the main issues very tactfully - that being the rider, lets face it for some of us , me included, if I was really concerned about weight - I would cut down on the pies ! Keep it coming !
Great information and straight to the truth to dispel those myths that are so often spread w/o fact.
Motorcycling has changed from my place of escape & my place of quiet time alone inside my helmet, to a media frenzy and extravaganza of attempting to explain to everyone why I ride the way that I ride on what I choose to ride, and then pretending to be having fun at motorcycle social gatherings where all the bikes are parked and no one is riding, during some of the best weather of the riding season.
Local road conditions, legislation and enforcement, and each rider's motorcycle handling skills will always determine what power/weight configuration is best for any and every rider. Within those parameters, we are spoiled for choice and motorcycles become items on a menu, at a certain restaurant.
If we are not trying something different off the menu from time to time, if we always go to the same restaurant.. we are missing out.
Metal fenders one day, plastic fenders the next.. or choose a motorcycle with carbon fiber fenders, and eliminate the dilemma all together; the point is, just ride.
Thank God for small motorcycle owners. I can easily push my 250 Virago up all sorts of inclines backwards and forwards, or turn it around in narrow trails with just inches of space. 147 kilos fully loaded. I owned a 99 kilo Honda H100 - imagine how easy that was to move around tight spaces! When I hear people describe 650s as "small" or low on power I'm genuinely baffled. What planet are these people on? Small light bikes are fun. If you want a laugh, read the stories of people who dropped their Harleys or Goldwings and couldn't get them up until they called a friend to help. Poor silly buggers! If I wanted to ride a tank I'd buy a tank. Huzzah for small fun bikes and all who ride them!
I have been using a Scram 411 as my only transport since 2022, having downsized from a Shadow 1100. Has been a perfect town bike and even though I will be getting a second, higher powered bike later this year, I will be keeping the Scram. I have no doubt that the 350 would be as good. Having ridden a number of big cruisers, weight isn't something that bothers me, despite being 5' 6" and in my 60s.
I’m 71 and currently ride a Honda Forza 750 which comes in at 235kg and even though I am a bit of a weakling, I have no problem with the weight. Although I would struggle if I ever needed to push it up my sloping drive. Maybe I should dig out those weights 😂 Another great video, thanks Stu.
I was looking at one if those the other day in the dealership. It looks the business but I have to get over "it's a scooter!" However getting my "leg over" is getting more difficult these days ( stop) and the Forza looks like a beautiful machine. How is it to live with?😊
@@barrydaly2292 I personally love it, comfortable and easy to ride. It sounds and handles like a motorbike, the fuel economy is excellent I’m getting 74mpg without trying to be economical. The only thing I’d say is if you are on the short side it might not be so good, I’m 5ft 8in with a 30in inside leg and I’m on the balls of my feet. Best to get a test ride and see how you feel.
@@ianleaver4967 Thanks 😊 I will book one.
I have ridden all three models of the 350 RE bikes. Weight never entered my mind. They all felt solid and well balanced. To the lad you was worried about that, I would say the Hunter would, probably, be his best choice. Now, since I live out here in the wild west with roads that call for higher cruising speeds, none of the 350 REs would satisfy my needs. I have ridden the Interceptor and the Super Meteor and either of those would work better out here. I do, however, hope that RE builds a 500cc version of the Classic. That is when my money would jump out of the bank account and into the dealer's coffers. Imagine that thumper with a glorious basso profundo sound and a cruising speed of 75+ on my ride to Devils Tower or Spotted Horse for a beer and a sandwich.
Except for a few exceptions l don't believe motorcycles are much heavier. Many of us have got older, weaker and wobblier. l concur with you, l never gave any consideration to the weight..l just thought as many of us do/did think, l like the look of that Bike, gotta have it!!
Years a go when l owned a BMW 800, later a 1000cc airheads l had to manipulate them backwards through a side gate, down a short length of path, manipulate it though the front gate onto the path then use my neighbours drop kerb to ride off...l never gave it a second thought ..(honestly)...l was 34 years old and fit as a fiddle!.... plus, since they were Boxers most of the weight..CG.. was low down..a major point as regards weight distribution..Move on 43 years never considering the weight until after a few months of manoeuvring a VFR 800 about on my drive... l thought I'm gonna drop this thing one day! ...Age had caught up with me, so had corresponding muscle weakness...l had to reappraise where l was in life... Looking to a 350 Classic for last bike..
2 thumbs up! I started on a Honda CL350 and owned a RD350 a few years later. Small and cramped they were much lighter but buzzy and a bit squirrelly at highway speed. Well over twice the power but at nearly 10,000 rpm. The 350 J makes its power at useable rpm. The weight makes them planted at highway speed. Also, Indian made 350's are larger than the old 350's we rode back in the day. The Meteor 350 is actually the size and weight of an early '80's Honda 450. Outstanding video Stuart!
Doesn't matter how fit you are , when your winter gear catches on the clutch actuator on the engine case and you are trying to get your foot down , yep ! down you go ! ( 350 meteor on a blind junction ) trying to get myself out from under the bike before someone came round the corner , it's f****n heavy !!!
"350's Are Overweight And Underpowered"
Do people expect these bikes to have a titanium frame or something??
If they'd had a titanium frame, then you'd pay more than the $3000-$8000 for these bikes. $8000 would probably be the minimum price for the bike if it'd been built with titanium frame
Plus, the power level of a 350 is actually ideal for beginners
For city riding motorcycles and scooters 400cc and under are generally better suited than larger or heavier options. As an older rider (68), I do now consider the overall weight of a motorcycle when contemplating a purchase. As Stuart correctly says weight is not a factor when riding, however if you contemplate a situation where you need to manually manoeuvre the bike on an incline, then I know my limitations.
i agree. I store my bike in a purpose built shed with a ramp, coz the garage has been tanked out and converted into my office, which means wheeling it up backwards, and while a 125 weighing 120kg is relatively easy (it still takes a bit of effort), a 200kg+ bike is a different matter lol. Given a choice i'd still prefer a bike on the lighter side when riding, power to weight ratio and all that. GL
Great video as always Stu. As a Meteor 350 owner with over 10K Miles, I can attest that it will take most things in its stride. From country lanes, city riding and fast(ish) blasts through France, it never felt under powered or left behind. it's not fast but it is fast enough.
Spot on Stuart. I had a little 125 when I started motorcycling just 6 short years ago.
The bike weighed 124kg had just over 9hp and 7nm of torque.
I weigh 124kg, so if I wanted the bike to be lighter/faster/more economical etc then I could cut out the pies!
I have a Classic500 and a Super Meteor 650. I'm aware that they're both 'heavy' only because that's what the spec sheet says, not because of any handling or manouvering issues with the bikes. Both bikes are a pleasure to ride and the only time I notice the weight is pushing the SM off the centre stand after washing it and that's only because my driveway is very steep.
Keep up the good work. I always enjoy your insights and 99% of the time agree with your thoughts 👍
for us 'height'challenged' folk, the limiting factor has always been seat height. If you can get both feet on the ground the weight of nearly any bike is manageable.
Heydavemyers1. Spot on fella. Best thing is always try before you buy. My Street Twin is 760mm, perfect. BUT, I've also got a Fantic Caballero 500 scrambler. Seat height 820mm. But it's quite manageable due to the suspension. I was amazed & delighted!
Working for a motorcycle auction house, I can assure you that older bikes (especially 50's British iron) are extremely heavy. Combined with poorly designed centre stands, they can be an absolute pain to move around. BSA are the worst culprits, Ariel the easiest.
I own a classic 350 and I love it. However, strictly for city riding, going from A to B, shopping etc. I would recommend nothing but a good quality scooter. Light and agile, comfortable, cheap to buy, cheap to fuel, Powerful Enough and plenty of luggage space. No big bike of any brand can compete with a scooter for that purpose.
I agree, I've ridden for 45 years and weight is not an issue on well designed bikes. I ride a 900 lb plus Goldwing and VTX and the weight is low and well balanced. I just purchased a Classic 350 and the weight again is properly balanced and easy to handle. I will add a heavier bike stays planted on the road and tracks better as long as the weight is properly distributed. I have only been on one bike that had poor weight distribution which I refused to buy. The Classic 350 got it right.
You forgot about electric starters and batteries😉. I've got a wee Suzuki AX100. It's an old school 2-stroke that feels pretty much like riding a bicycle. It's kick start only and I've tinkered with it stripped it down so the only electronics are the headlight which the magneto powers (kind of). It's VERY quick (not fast).
Great post Stewart. My first bike was a 350 RD , and at 72 years of age my classic will probably be my last. I have had many Tupperware torpedos in the past half century, which makes a certain amount of sense in Australia. I still have an RT1150 which I love, but since I bought the classic, the BM just gathers cobwebs because the Enfield is pure magic, but only for 'pottering around on. 😅
I ride a Continental GT 650 and I've been having a blast with it, it's fast enough and nimble enough to keep it putting a smile on my face. I found that I've put more time in the saddle last year on the 650 more than my Ducati and Harley. Parts and maintenance is cheap and it's easy to work on.
Test ride your proposed new / second hand bike to make sure you understand what you are getting into.
If the shop you are planning to buy from will not allow you to test ride, then shop somewhere else.
And do not limit yourself to one brand.
Also, how and what do you think you will be doing on the bike 90% of the time. A question to ask yourself before watching TH-cam reviews.
For me, I plan to pass my MOD 2 Feb 9th and then go an get my CB500F (2022 680miles first service done) from my Honda dealer. Used it for two years to get my no claims going in the right direction and then open up the chocolate box of motorcycles available to me then.
I am also weighted towards using non-motorways for 95% of my journeys around the UK and elsewhere, something learned on my CB125F.
Ride safe, keep well
I bought a Himalayan when they first came out. I loved it. Tempted by the looks of the Classic 350 I traded it in for one of those. I found the 350 a decent bike, with good handling and adequate power. The weight was not an issue. But, after about a year I have gone back to a Himalayan (an air cooled Euro 5 one). In the end I found the 350 a bit stodgy and not so much fun as the Himmie. The Himmie invites you to chuck it round more, it has more power, it loves it when the road deteriorates into a track. It has a great turning circle and makes a great town as well as country bike. I also don't worry about getting it dirty. There is no shiny stuff to worry about. I am not keen on the new water cooled one. The simplicity of air cooling has gone and the upside down forks are just silly on this class of bike. The fork seals always fail.
Yup. I have an older REAL Bullet 350. I get about 72 miles/gallon fuel cruising at 55 mph, and she can hit 120 mph, no problem. Tried the new model RE 350 last month. Lucky to get 45 MPG, and I couldn't get it over 95 mph going downhill with a tailwind. Told the dealer, "Meh.... you can keep it"...
I am 84 and already exercise with lighter weights in order to ride, and push around my motorcycles.... I might need to take ballet lessons in order to get my leg over my G650GS when panniers are fitted ,but can still just about do the splits when alighting haha!!
My easier bike to move and ride is my American Buell 1200cc which is designed better than any other bike as it is fan cooled and yet the brakes are superb compared to any other bike I have owned.... Thanks Stuart keep up the good work . graham in Western Australia ....
As 6 foot plus blokes some of us aren't worried about weight . However smaller people , disabled people and older people may need a lighter bike . Riding moast bikes is easy enough but maneuvering them in tight spaces, getting them on and off the stand could be difficult . However no one can advise a buyer on the weight distribution. Try bikes for yourselves .
People confuse BHP and torque 🤷♂️
Torque is a ture measure of engine power output
But BHP is bias towards higher RPM
Double the revs equals double the BHP, but it’s the torque where the true power is
So on paper lower reving singles and twins don’t look fast, but just look at Ducati’s and Buells 🏍️💨💥💨💥💨💥
All of your points are absolutely valid. Ultimately it is a matter of personal preferences based upon a riders priorities and values. Weight is always a factor for me when buying a motorcycle, probably because I started out 40+ years ago on light weight single cylinder, air cooled two strokes. The Royal Enfield Hunter 350 weighs 399lbs, or about 6 lbs less than my Yamaha MT-07, which for a small single is too much for my liking. But 400lbs is still fairly light. Some of the chaps I ride with are on Harley Davidsons in the 700 lbs to 900 lbs range, which is about right for the Bismarck but not a motorcycle.
Not enough criteria there. My 1953 ajs 350 weighed the same as a Hunter. 70 years of new design and materials later, same weight! Other makes have 3 to 400 cc bikes at 50 lbs less, and double the bhp. My current 865 Triumph has wheels 1 inch less diameter than others in the range but with the same centre stand. With my 78 year strength I cant lift it onto centre stand. Regards, still a good blog
Stu, I agree with what you’re saying. Now, I spent a year on a Honda 250 clone dual sport before I upgraded to the Interceptor here in the USA. That little bike is absolutely fast enough for actual city riding. I live in a larger East Coast metro area. Now I do not know if my countryman was actually talking about city riding. See, over here and I don’t know when the last time you visited was but I am guessing it was before the pandemic. In theory I could take the 250 on the interstate. But it tops out around 60 MPH. See since ‘20 speed enforcement here is almost non existent and everybody is for the most part exceeding the speed limit by around 20 MPH. So you’re good right until you get onto anything with a 55 MPH limit or higher. In which case you have a pretty good chance of getting punted into the next county by someone who doesn’t see you while you’re minding your business. I think he was asking: Can I get the damn thing going fast enough not to get trucked quickly enough? Because that’s what he should be worried about. That’s why I now own an Interceptor and not a SCRAM.
I had a fuel line issue a while ago, and a stranger was nice enough to stop and help me get gas after it was fixed. In the process, he rode my classic 350 around the block. The first comment he had as a Triumph rider was "This is so light, you can really throw it around!" I don't have experience riding anything other than the Yamaha TW200 I learned on, but I thought he same thing when I first rode my RE. It looks kinda big and has a lot of metal, but it feels light as a bicycle once you get going
Being an “old guy”, with well over 50 years of riding, I have been lightening up for years. I got tired of maneuvering my half-ton of Goldwing around for 15 years, so I dropped a couple of hundred pounds by swapping for an R1200RT. After 6 years of great riding, I dropped yet another hundred pounds by trading for a new F750GS. I still have the great cross country ability without feeling as if I’m pushing the Queen Mary about the garage. My RE Int 650 feels like riding a scooter compared to them all and is the “perfect” city bike. They all go fast, if that’s what you want… it’s just down to comfort and practicality on a day to day basis. It’s not just size that counts.
Hi Stuart, greetings from Brazil.
This is a great video, as usual!
I have a Classic 350, love it to the bones, and I like it's weight, specially crossing busses ot trucks, it handles well the turbulence. Could it have a little more power? YES, just a bit.
What if the weight was reduced by 10%? Could it improve the performance a bit without impacting the great handling? Reducing weight to get more performance is the concept behind the cafe racers.
I don't mean having plastic mudgards or so, but reducing weight at the engine. It seems this engine could produce the same power with less weight, or produce more power, like the 650 with a spice kit.
Forensic and astute as usual Stuart. I’ve learned a great deal about weight issues etc. Nice one 👍
Thank you Stuart. I love my REC350. The power is adequate; in fact I never even think about it. I just work the gearbox and smile. (But Wisconsin snow has me watching videos for a few months). 😊
As you correctly state, Stuart, it's all about centre of gravity. I bought an old ’72 CB750 Honda to recommission and sell on (the price was good, despite not liking the bikes… even when riding a borrowed one for a few thousand miles when they first appeared), and it was far harder to manoeuvre around the garage than the much heavier old Electra Glide it shared garage space with, due to the Honda's top heavy weight distribution.
In my seventies now, and with dodgy legs, I find my RE Interceptor to be the perfect bike for my needs… fast enough for a thrash on fast roads or autoroutes/motorways, but without any embarrassing excesses that require electronic interventions to be easy on 'normal' roads, as well as being easily 'tinkerable' for improvements or home maintenance (I've never kept a bike bog standard in my life).
The 1970 Honda CL350 two cylinder dual purpose bike was about 33 HP and 350 pounds with turn signals, electric start and "high pipes".. Ir's 2024 AD, I dunno why a clean sheet design 350cc machine exceeds 400 pounds and churns out just 20 hp. The J-bike is frugal, but...?
With regard to this discussion about the power of modern motorcycles and what is regarded as necessary, I see in the latest MCN that there are road going machines available from certain major manufacturers that have 200bhp engines. That will give insurers something about which to think carefully. And no doubt there are people who will buy/rent these machines that seem to me to be utterly insane!
Great explanation Stu , most modern day bikes are heavier but like you say most are also better balanced and built to more stringent safety designs, I think one of the main issues is seat hight (well for me been a short arse at 5,6) especially on these new adventure bikes and the weight is usually higher up on them too , not an issue with the modern day classic sensible seat heights and lower down weight distribution makes for a an enjoyable ride , if you want more power people have options of the T100 or T120 personally I find my 650 Interceptor more than enough to have a enjoyable ride out either short or long distance.
As i recall my Honda Cb 250 n was about the same weight as my Meteor 350 and power was similar too but it felt much heavier than the meteor because with a full tank of fuel it always felt a bit clumsy and top heavy when slow riding in traffic but was a well respected commuter bike even considered fairly sporty for a four stroke
Before I left the UK I had various large CC bikes, discounted most bikes under a 600CC, due to my size and weight, plus not needing a bike for commuting or regular trips to cities.
However now I live in SE Asia, I can't think of a good enough reason to own a motorcycle over a scooter, other than image, and that's not an issue here as it can be in the UK.
Given this started out as answering a question for Mark, an American viewer looking for a city bike, I couldn't in all good conscience recommend a RE.
If I was looking for a city/commuter transport, my first consideration, assuming image isn't a deciding factor, would be a scooter.
If the city traveling is short distance and low speed, something like an ADV 160 would be ideal, fully auto twist and go: outdoes most geared motorcycles from 0-30 MPH, tops out at about 65 (depending on how big/heavy the rider is) and returns 55-65 MPG, more if you're not riding like an oik. More practical than most motorcycles and unless you want to buy into a big bike image, has urban style and if the weight was any lower down it would be on the road, its also a lot lighter than the RE.
Using highways regularly to get to the city? The ADV350 or the Forza 350 also twist and go, provides just as much city practicality, but is physically larger and will cruise all day at 75-80MPH even with a big bloke riding it. In the US it's probably a lot cheaper than a RE, and offers the same practicality and ease of riding, especially for a less experienced rider, than any motorcycle.
From a personal perspective, I stop caring what anyone thought of me over 40 years ago, even if returning to the UK I wouldn't ever buy a motorcycle again having experienced the advantages of scooters.
I appreciate I've only mentioned Honda scoots, but they come in all makes, flavours and colours to suit your taste and budget. They tend to be ridden with more mechanical sympathy than motorcycles and might well be cheaper to insure.
As an urban transport solution you would be a fool to discount scooters just because they don't look like a motorcycle or are automatic.
As far as the video, quite a good summation of the REs, if 0-60 and scraping pegs are your biggest concerns,byou probably ought to buy a RE and you'll probably ride injury free for longer. And like the poster, I've never considered the weight of a bike, buy a 90s Pan European, and the weight simply doesn't matter, unless you lay it down, then call a tow truck truck! 😉
I owned one for a year and it was a very pleasant bike to pootle about on. At the end of the day though, I'd probably have to agree that it is heavy and lacking in power (overtaking pretty much anything is almost impossible).
Not that I'm a fan of sports bikes, indeed I mostly ride old British bikes so, as I've no doubt many people like myself were looking for, the Little RE seemed a good and practical choice.
All good until the BSA Goldstar was introduced and then I suddenly had power and grunt but still with a proper vintage look,feel and, most importantly to me, a single cylinder.
Not that I'm belittling the RE as, if it makes you happy, then all's well and good. I'm just happier with the BSA.
I had the same feeling on the Genuine 400 C in the US aka the Mash 400. Everyone told me it would be heavy and slow steering. But when I rode it it was more nimble and lighter than any cruiser and most modern retro bikes. It was a blast to ride around town and on country roads. I can’t wait to ride one of these 350cc R/E’s
A little late to see this video but I did enjoy your take on this and can relate. I think one of the problems is what feels heavy for one person is ok for another and others in-between. I am lucky enough to have several bikes and the weight difference between them is probably 50Kg and I must admit I don't even think about it, I guess I just enjoy the riding to notice. You did make me chuckle suggesting people should get weight training to solve the problem. Roll on the summer and better weather 😀
As someone who used to own a Harley Davidson Electra Glide that weighed about 1000 pounds with pillion and gear, the idea of a 350 as being too heavy is a bit absurd. But, to a new rider that weight of a 350 seems much. One could always choose a dual-sport bike that weighs much less but a road bike needs a bit of bulk so it does not get blown about in traffic. My suggestion is buy the 350. Even if it seems "big" at first, soon it will feel "small." Case in point, I drove 18 wheeler big trucks. When first learning how to drive they felt like maneuvering a barge. Eventually, it felt like driving a sports car! I asked a pilot friend who flew 747s if the plane felt big, and he said no bigger than a Cessna.
Well said Stuart, unfortunately it is impossible to please everyone, my meteor is perfect for me, and in reality that's all that matters to me.
My wife and I own a matching pair of meteors. We both agree that the weight gives them a very stable ride. I'd be lying to say there aren't times I'd like a little more power but that is invariably on fast A roads or motorway. That said I have been on longer trips and provided my expectations are realistic, I've been quite content . I am a well fed chap and cruising at 60 - 65 is perfectly achievable on all but the steepest hills.
Each to his own, but I do find it hard to fathom why people get so upset about other peoples opinions, you can just ignore them? I had a blast on my lads 10.7HP CB125F which was a hoot to ride and was miserly with fuel. I did a nice little bit of country commuting on that and enjoyed every mile. But, objectively the RE's are overweight for this day and age. My old 70's air-cooled CB350K4 made 36HP and had a dry weight of 149kg. A Meteor by comparison with its 20hp and 17 ~ 175Kg dry weight is way off the mark for fifty years later. You could blame Euro regs for the power but it doesn't forgive the weight.
I was concerned about the weight of the Meteor 350 for riding in heavy Bangkok traffic. But after getting it, and getting used to it, I enjoy its solidity. It's highly manoeuvrable.
Tonight some young people were captivated by the beauty of my Meteor (washed and waxed to the full Fillingham standard), and they were taking selfies with it. It really is timeless.
As i am in my 57th yr and being brought up on a plethora of 70`s/80`s heavyweights from the jap4 i find modern stuff tiny and too light for my 6ft frame.I stayed with the old stuff 😀.
My wife's 125 Honda had 12 bhp and hit 70mph quite happily, it was waaaay less than Enfields 200kg the Enfield is overweight but I suppose with its all metal construction it is going to be heavy... that said so was the wifes Honda so that negates that point... As much as I love the Enfield 350 it is a bit of a slug... the Scram 411 makes 7hp more for a 60cc increase in capacity and still has similar performance... folks are not asking for rocketships... just something a bit peppier and lighter.
My old 250 Suzuki was approx 28hp and weigh almost the same and did 85mph... C'mon Enfield... lets have less weight and a LITTLE bit more go
As usual, well said. Bikes could be made of mostly titanium but they would be prohibitive in cost. Weight is only an issue when moving the bike around the garage.
The weight is a result of the solid construction, which explains why they still run today, and should last forever if maintained well..
The latest "The Classic MotorCycle" magazine covers the 1958 BSA B33 (a 35o single) and lists a weight similar to the current RE 350 Classic. The lighter contemporary motorcycles in this displacement range are usually based on an off road version such where virtually every part that can be plastic, is.
Great comparison using the power to weight ratios of the bikes against your 1.5 Mini. I reckon you could still keep ahead of the Mini a bit beyond 30mph though.
Fantastic spot on commentary Sir, well done and thank you as always. Keep brining us the great content!
Buy a bike because you fall in love with it. Because you ride it and can’t help but smile. I have just bought a classic 350. I am probably considered a youngster when you consider the usual demographic for this bike. I am 37. Most people look at me as though they suddenly see an old man with a pipe and slippers before them when I tell them what bike I own. Then they go on about power. Bla bla. Honestly I don’t give a hoot about power. For me you should buy a bike because you love it. The classic 350 is an incredible bike. Full of heart and enough power to get you about plenty. I have ridden a 125 up and down the m4 and I know people who have taken 50cc over to France and back. People need to re asses what they are buying bikes for and maybe should just buy a car instead.
I live in the midst of some pretty steep mountains. One of my favorite places to ride is a canyon road that holds a 10% grade for about 5 miles. Going up that steep hill is the only time I've felt like my Classic 350 was underpowered. By that, I mean I'm forced to drop a gear and my speed tops at around 45mph rather than 60. It's got more than enough power to make the trip, I just get a little nervous since cars behind me rarely enjoy going below 60, and there are only two places to pass along the whole 15 mile stretch 😅
As an American, I can say for myself that I should be more concerned with losing some weight and adding some power to myself before I start to nitpick my ride. I'm confident my ride would agree if it could talk.
I have the Classic 350 and it is fine powerwise until it hits a Nevada wind. Then you can barely hit 45 to 50 mph at full throttle in 4th gear dropping it to 60 mpg. Unfortunately as the weather turns bad the quicker you want to get home, but the slower you go. My Yamaha XT250 is faster, but it is 100lbs lighter and blown around by the wind. The RE is very stable in the wind and is great for the dirt roads that degrade to near trail status in places where the milage goes up to around 80 mpg.
there must be something wrong with it. heavy headwinds on mine with a pillion is around 65.
@@stuartfillingham Speed limit here is 70 mph. I never worry about exceeding it. Don't get me wrong I love the bike and drive pretty much 60 mph when it will go that fast, but 45 on a mild hill is pretty much the norm. I am 184 lbs. The bike just has never had much top end to it. I couldn't tell you if there is a speed limiter on it at 73 mph, it's never gotten there. I think eventually I will partner it with a 650.
The first motorcycle I had after I passed my test was an Ariel NH 350 Red Hunter. 20bhp and 160kg. I rode it two up with luggage and on a motorway. It never occurred to me that it was heavy or underpowered. Because it wasn't. It was very similar power to weight ratio as the modern Enfield 350s. Perfectly adequate for the purpose they are sold for.
Brilliant explanation of power to weight ratio. Thank You Stuart!
I bought a Meteor 350 as a second bike, it’s a cracking little bike for the money 4K OTR good MPG you can hustle it around the twistiest, I keep off motorways, it’s a great bike for pottering around. The weight thing never been a thing for me.
I have owned a V max two fireblades an R1 an R6 a vl 1500 a VN 800 and a multitude of two stroke 250/500 size bikes and though not the fastest but certainly one of my fastest bikes around / across town is my Royal Enfield 350 Meteor it is a fairly heavy bike but that weight makes it totally stable even passing trucks and buses and doesn’t blow about on the road , it has the perfect balance of torque and power for riding in town and its ability to be ridden at walking pace but still accelerates very well in traffic , mine is now de restricted for running on highways at a relaxed 70 16 tooth front sprocket helps that but it was standard through running in and warranty and the performance was the same in town and on top of all that i get an easy 85 mph and rides very well with a passenger, the only negative was during the first 500 miles the rear shocks would rattle ur teeth a bit on a bumpy road , but thats gone away as the miles have risen , it handles bloody well is very very comfortable and i have had no issues with it at all👍🙂
I was initially concerned about weight when choosing a new motorbike as I've mainly ridden bicycles for the last twenty years. Thankfully I manned-up and got a classic 350 which is perfect for my needs and doesn't have a silly 6th gear or a dumb-arse 'what gear am I in?' indicator! Great video.
No, Royal Enfields are not over weight bikes. I test rode a few models and their weight never even crossed my mind. Great bikes all of them.
Hello Stuart, Hitchcocks claim their Performance Camshaft increases power at the rear wheel by 5HP. I suppose the question is, would it be a worth while upgrade for a 5 HP increase??
I love the looks of the Classic 350, but for now I'm sticking with my Interceptor 650.
5bhp is still 25% more power , a worthwhile upgrade for any bike
I think that most RE 350 owners would love to have an extra 5 HP but could not justify the cost of the Hitchcock's camshaft and other mods required.
It has the same performance envelope as my old 1972 Honda CB125, and has finally acquired the same level of technology (SOHC). It does what a CB125 does, but with "big bike" feel and a bit more room to stretch out on. And it goes "dug-dug-dug-dug". So I'd rather have the Enfield.
That’s right, at least the 350 is underpowered and heavy, but this is exactly what makes them unique and so pleasant 😉
They are great little bikes for what they are . Would I love a 650 chrome classic? Oh yes or a 650 classic in green , yes again . But with the state of UK roads ,for pottering about down country lanes ,these little 350cc are great .The DNA air filter does make a difference [ It may be just the noise from the induction that makes it sound its going quicker] but I LOVE these little bikes.
I ride a B M W K75c its a lump of a bike , i can get it on and off the stand easily, its all down to technique and balance , it has a grab bar under the frame which extends out when you need to put the bike on its stand , like you say Stu leverage and balance is the key , & ive turned 73 , i have no problems with it . 😊
I have a little meteor and ride regularly to work 52 mile round trip, mostly motorway, and it handles great. I was on it last week in them strong winds and its no problem. I have a big old Pan European and thats a lot worse when its really windy on the motorway. Anyone saying these bikes are too underpowered and no good on the motorway probably shouldn't venture onto the motorway with any vehicle, it runs great and makes me smile every time i ride it.
To me, RE are excellent bikes for rookies, whatever old are they (I'm not sure of the syntax? I'm not an english locutor). A Royal Enfield, and especially the 350 line, is the PERFECT first bike. You learn all you need to learn, to stay alive on the road, after have passed the Driving Licence. Weight isn't a problem here.
Thx Stuart for all your good advices and the transmission of your experience.
As I get older( I'm 61) weight of the bike is becoming an issue. Maybe they're getting heavier, I'm getting weaker, or both. Back surgery and heart problems are part of this, so weight is important to me now.
My '15 Triumph Bonnie is just under 500 lbs./227kgs.
The very same problem with modern vehicles of any type really. Cars of old were exceptional light and far smaller in volume. EV's aren't not helping matters either.
I’m in the market for a new bike and am probably going to get a Hunter. Not worried about weight but wanted one lighter than my current bike, a Honda Deauville; thankfully that’s most bikes anyway! I’ve test ridden a Scram, Classic 350 and a Hunter and they’re all very easy to push around, and also very easy to ride slowly. Far more important to see how manageable they are rather than reading numbers on a spec sheet
i jsed to like riding my 500 electra it made a change to my aprillia falco and bmw r1200 st it was just fun thats why i sold them and bought a 650 interceptor with sidecar even more fun.
From my perspective the only issue about weight is where is the center of gravity. A Honda Gold Wing and a Harley Davidson Ultra Limited weigh within one hundred pounds of each other. Ride them back to back and you’ll see exactly what I mean. A Gold Wing feels significantly lighter at low speeds. Fill the six gallon tank on the HD and try maneuvering at low speed and you’ll feel the difference right away. It is one of the most top heavy bikes I’ve ever ridden. Both bikes are smooth and comfortable at highway speeds and either can cover hundreds of miles daily with the rider arriving at their destination without feeling worn out. In my opinion, neither bike is suitable for a beginning rider. Walk before running. All of Royal Enfield’s 350 models are very suitable for beginning or returning riders and are perfect for most roads other than the highways that criss cross America.
Hi, Stuart, I feel I would like to say that, as you alluded to, the perceived weight of a bike may be proportional to actual bike riding experience. As a former motorcycle instructor I have often seen physically large, fit individuals comment about the "really heavy" moped/125. As we all know a motorbike doesn't weigh anything once moving and the biggest physical input is a bit of hip movement and bar input. I've seen huge rugby players struggling to get a bike on the centre stand until proper physics and bio- mechanics have been taught. Personally, I am, lets say, a skinny wee fella who, by working my way up from rubbish little (lightweight "peds' to the original XZ10, over 160kg/180mph), have now been working my way down to the small, lightweight Royal Enfield 350s For the "take time to smell the roses" that got me into bikes. Ladies and gentlemen please don't be put off by the weight of a bike, just learn, (where best to park/(slope, gravel etc./ which stand to use and PRACTICE). Remember, the centre of gravity will often dictate just how " heavy" a bike actually feels, ie low cruiser vs adventure tourer style. CONFIDENCE, TRAINING and PRACTICE (in a safe environment) is key. GO FOR IT !! 👍
I agree with all your reasons - for a road bike. For an off-road or "adventure" bike,
weight becomes a large factor in control and lifting after a crash.
Hmm Same principles of leverage and centre of Gravity apply! With a 200kg bike you are effectively lifting less than 70kg. If thats a struggle for you Your abilities are well below average
Good morning Stu. Great video. I mostly agree with what you say about the weight . I have a 650 Matchless and a modern 650 Enfield which are of similar size and weight and don’t find them heavy. I probably wouldn’t consider buying a Triumph Rocket Three as I think that would be too heavy.
Commuting in cities.
Question 1, If had to do this commute in a car (US: automobile) would I choose to do in a manual (US: Stick shift) or an automatic? If the answer is automatic, then one should seriously consider a scooter. It'll be quicker than an RE 350 up to 30 mph as well....
However, if one is so prejudiced that one thinks that scooters are only for girls or Italians males (heaven forfend!), then a bike with gears might be the only choice.
Re: Weight. I agree with all that you've said, Stuart.
Plus wheels and tyres have become wider and heavier over the years. fork stanchions have become wider and heavier for that "rugged" look, we have electric starters and their heavyweight batteries, balancer shafts and their drive gears, we have idiot switches like side-stand interlocks and their assocaited cabling, bigger, heaver alternators to drive more powerful lights and heated gear. It goes on ......
Let us not forget that RE's main market is India where many of the roads are appalling or non-existant. If the bikes were not so sturdy and heavy , there would be no customers at all. Yes, the frames have to be made of steel because the rural blacksmith can't weld aluminium (US: aluminum).