Always thought 2003 was truly the last good year for B&B. Wagner was an excellent addition that made the next 7 or so years decent. After he, Ronn, and Susan left it went downhill, fast.
_"I wanted to wait until marriage because I thought we were headed that way"._ So what Brooke is saying is that the reason she sIept with Ridge _now_ is because she was no longer sure that she could hold on to him without doing it?
That's always been her behaviour. She will use her body to keep Ridge when she feels it is slipping away. Meanwhile.. How did nobody know Brooke spent the night? Where is Nope? Did she not spend the night too? Didn't she cry or need any feeding at any point in time?
*The Marone Era* Nick Payne is here. And although I know that this character is liked by many, there are many things about his and Jackie's introduction that I feel don't work. Nick Payne is brought on as one of those never-before-mentioned retconned children of an established character (Massimo, who is _himself_ a retconned character). And Jackie apparently works with Lauren Fenmore in spite of us never having heard of her before. This gives both of them an _unearned_ connection to the main cast, which feels like a Iazy way of teleporting them to the center of the show without them having to work their way there. The characters also fill not one, but _three_ unnecessary functions - replacing the Spectras (who didn't need to be replaced), adding support for Brooke (who didn't need any more support than she already has) by giving her another love interest who can compete with Ridge for her attention and a potential mother-in-law who absolutely loves her, and reminding us of Ridge's new Marone family (which we did not need to be reminded of). There is also a subtle shift in the feel of the writing as these characters are being introduced - they don't appear to treat the B&B universe as if it's entirely _real._ We often hear the character Nick making comments that we would expect from a soap viewer who doesn't take the show seriously but watches just to be entertained. And as time passes, the entire show will begin to feel like this - as if we are not _meant_ to take it seriously anymore (the 2003 Sheila storyline, which also involves Nick Marone, being the first obvious example). With the introduction of Jackie and Nick Payne, we enter a new era of the show, and the "classic B&B" era comes to an end.
I couldn't agree more with all of this Annie. Well said! 👏👏👏 I've never cared for Nick or Jackie for all the reasons you laid out. And I resent them for taking the Spectra's place.
Very well said! I was going to post but you have done it better. It was hard enough to accept Massimo as a new character, but then to accept Nick, a secondary character, and Jackie, a tertiary character (in terms of newness and relationships to existing characters) - it was too much. The whole show became about them, and it was too much newness too quickly. I subscribed to this channel for a month so I could have Season 17 on in the background while I did things around the house, and there are even more new characters! And they destroy the legacy characters remaining. This really is the beginning of the end, at least for me. Also, I have nothing against Jack Wagner, but having seen some of his acting in General Hospital, Melrose Place, and B&B, he has one character that he always plays. It’s fine, but it gets boring after a while. He wasn’t worth all the fuss.
@@FayeILah yes, those S17 characters. Instant Marone family member Oscar (whose only purpose was to cause Macy's death and then spend all his screen time feeling sorry for _himself_ about it), and instant Forrester family friend Samantha (whose only purpose was, well, who knows? and who supposedly grew up playing with Ridge in spite of clearly being decades younger). And the dog.
😂😂😂 Brooke changed her mind about sleeping with Ridge because she heard about the mistery woman and the kiss. Hey Brooke. Ridge must be that stupid but we are not!! 😅
@galoutlaw8089 Of course, Jack is a fantastic actor, so why won't I be? I m here enjoying a soap and don't have to only like one person and dislike their on-screen rival 😅 If I like tomorrow, I'll celebrate James being in town, take your judgement elsewhere, friend. 😁
@@dolareastar Where have I mentioned any actor? The head post says "Bridge is back on". I questioned your rationale, not like/dislike for an actor. If you can't explain it, leave it. No need to get defensive, it's just a soap.
@@galoutlaw8089 My point is, you're in no position to 'question MY rationale', as you said 'it is just a soap'. I love Bridge, also, I can't wait for Nick to be in scenes too, the two feelings can co-exist.
The invariable adressing Bridget as Princess is singlehandedly responsible for the keeping the ick factor going strong even if romance wasn't on the table. It's a father's moniker for a daughter and one who never gets older than 6.
Brooke is looking like she might need The Substance. Unlike in the movie where Demi Moore's character was stunning and definitely didn't need to look any younger.
The babysitter was always a threat to a teenage boy or a marriage, as in Amber Moore or Erica LoveJoy. Ridge's baby sitter is no threat for Brooke, because Logan is the biggest threat out there. A lion won't be intimidated by a chihuahua either.
Caroline didn't have to worry about Ridge. He might be grieving for a moment but he always moves on quickly and is married/engaged -or at least in love- in less than a year (after the funeral).
Brooke : "Ridge you are my heart... first, last and everything in between.. I just need to know you feel the same way" It's been 200 years and Brooke still has to ask this... Talk about destiny 😂
Honestly, I will have to say Bridget went after Ridge because she wanted to punish her mother because of the affair sweetheart that’s on Deacon as Well, stop blaming your mother for every day.😮 but what you did is downright calculated and cold 🥶
@@babs4848 same. It's not about KKL per se. It's about the imbalance that is created when the entire fictional universe bends to revolve around one character.
In this drama only brothers left their sisters and sons spared their biological mothers others everyone has slept with everyone regardless of relationship.
Nick Payne Marone was great for the first three an a half years❤🥰, but in or after the second half of 2006 until his last scene in 2012 Nick was horrible😔😡.
Yes he has arrived and everything is about to change. Its not brooke who will have competition although Bridget is just a distraction to get Brooke in the right frame if mind so the arrival of Nick will have its full impact. By the way tridge/fridge fans are crawling back under their rocks .They cannot stand Ridge with Brooke so again they are attacking the actress personally. How obvious they are. KKL is stunning. They should wait however for plastic lips to return 😅😅😅😅
@@babs4848 You are really out of the SL. There will not be another women for Ridges attention but a better man for Brookes. This is again an example of how you do not read and understand the storyline. Never mind maybe you should get a translator 😅😅😅
@@rosmarygiovani I made a résumé. It's your fault if you can't read between the lines. And Nick and Brooke, the perfect match, did last how many years?
@babs4848 It didn't last many years it just introduced a new love triangle with Brooke, Bridget and so on. As you know Brooke went back to Ridge a little after his heart attack.
@@rosmarygiovani so it's Ridge's heart attack fault if Brooke and Nick break up, Or Bridget, or Taylor s one again if Brooke messed with Nick. Brooke is a living mess
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Always thought 2003 was truly the last good year for B&B. Wagner was an excellent addition that made the next 7 or so years decent. After he, Ronn, and Susan left it went downhill, fast.
I would have to agree with you. The triangle of Hope, Liam, and Steffy was not the best
@@kayschultz4113 still isn't lol
Yay Nick is here! ❤
Wow, are you not happy for Bridge?
3:25 I'm laughing with Massimo, partly because his laugh is wickedly funny & because the request is laughable 😂😅 Go away, Deacon
I’m surprised he didn’t say “Deacon, I’m not the wizard of Oz!”
Bad boy Deacon looks less edgy without his goatee.
The way that Ridge has absolutely zero interest in working at Marone, Massimo couldn't do any worse hiring Deacon....
_"I wanted to wait until marriage because I thought we were headed that way"._ So what Brooke is saying is that the reason she sIept with Ridge _now_ is because she was no longer sure that she could hold on to him without doing it?
That's always been her behaviour. She will use her body to keep Ridge when she feels it is slipping away.
Meanwhile.. How did nobody know Brooke spent the night? Where is Nope? Did she not spend the night too? Didn't she cry or need any feeding at any point in time?
😂 It's 2003,Taylor is dead, and Brooke is still begging Ridge.
7:28 you know he spent the morning checking the dictionary for a 'big' word to use in his chat with Massimo 😂
_"You don't play fair. Has anyone ever told you that?"_ Ridge, in a rare moment of seeing through Brooke.
😂
Enter Nick Payne before he's Nick Marone.
This is definitely Ridge’s ick era…. the “heyyy Princess” with his shirt off as he answers Brooke’s phone to talk to Bridget 🤮
I have always had a major crush on Jack Wagner!
Brooke and Ridge have a sizzling chemistry ❤
Ridge is torn between his ex-sister and his step-mother. 🤢
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jealous are you cannot stand seeing the souper couple. Hang on to that ridicules hat you are wearing. Better things are coming😅😅😅
@@rosmarygiovani Girl here's a smoke signal to find y o u r way back since y o u ' r e always far off the r e s e r v a t i o n: ☁
@@rosmarygiovaniCan't handle the truth😂
His ex-daughter even.
*The Marone Era*
Nick Payne is here. And although I know that this character is liked by many, there are many things about his and Jackie's introduction that I feel don't work.
Nick Payne is brought on as one of those never-before-mentioned retconned children of an established character (Massimo, who is _himself_ a retconned character). And Jackie apparently works with Lauren Fenmore in spite of us never having heard of her before. This gives both of them an _unearned_ connection to the main cast, which feels like a Iazy way of teleporting them to the center of the show without them having to work their way there.
The characters also fill not one, but _three_ unnecessary functions - replacing the Spectras (who didn't need to be replaced), adding support for Brooke (who didn't need any more support than she already has) by giving her another love interest who can compete with Ridge for her attention and a potential mother-in-law who absolutely loves her, and reminding us of Ridge's new Marone family (which we did not need to be reminded of).
There is also a subtle shift in the feel of the writing as these characters are being introduced - they don't appear to treat the B&B universe as if it's entirely _real._ We often hear the character Nick making comments that we would expect from a soap viewer who doesn't take the show seriously but watches just to be entertained. And as time passes, the entire show will begin to feel like this - as if we are not _meant_ to take it seriously anymore (the 2003 Sheila storyline, which also involves Nick Marone, being the first obvious example).
With the introduction of Jackie and Nick Payne, we enter a new era of the show, and the "classic B&B" era comes to an end.
I couldn't agree more with all of this Annie. Well said! 👏👏👏 I've never cared for Nick or Jackie for all the reasons you laid out. And I resent them for taking the Spectra's place.
Sadly conflictly may resolve without harsh words!
That is a harsh ending as the show ends but those time frames are left unanswered for the fans
Very well said! I was going to post but you have done it better. It was hard enough to accept Massimo as a new character, but then to accept Nick, a secondary character, and Jackie, a tertiary character (in terms of newness and relationships to existing characters) - it was too much. The whole show became about them, and it was too much newness too quickly. I subscribed to this channel for a month so I could have Season 17 on in the background while I did things around the house, and there are even more new characters! And they destroy the legacy characters remaining. This really is the beginning of the end, at least for me.
Also, I have nothing against Jack Wagner, but having seen some of his acting in General Hospital, Melrose Place, and B&B, he has one character that he always plays. It’s fine, but it gets boring after a while. He wasn’t worth all the fuss.
@@FayeILah yes, those S17 characters. Instant Marone family member Oscar (whose only purpose was to cause Macy's death and then spend all his screen time feeling sorry for _himself_ about it), and instant Forrester family friend Samantha (whose only purpose was, well, who knows? and who supposedly grew up playing with Ridge in spite of clearly being decades younger).
And the dog.
😂😂😂 Brooke changed her mind about sleeping with Ridge because she heard about the mistery woman and the kiss. Hey Brooke. Ridge must be that stupid but we are not!! 😅
@@cate9472 and she doesn't want to talk about the other woman.
Exactly
Exactly this. She heard that there might be someone else, and all of a sudden doesn't need to wait til marriage 😂. Oh boy is she transparent.
Totally!!! How else can she hold on to him 😂
Nicky is on the scene.
Katherine Kelly Lang was only in her early 40's here but she looks like she's in her mid 50's
She may not be able to help l ooking like that, but not washing her hair is 🤢
Practically she is the best pair for this aged RM .
Dominick "Nick" Payne, one of the hottest men to be in the bold and the beautiful, need him and Ridge so bad
"You don't play fair. Anyone ever told you that" - Ridge told her. And he's right.
🔥Bridge is back on! 😍
When was the last time they were like this? Years ago!😊
@@dolareastar Yet you can't wait for Nick 🙄
@galoutlaw8089 Of course, Jack is a fantastic actor, so why won't I be? I m here enjoying a soap and don't have to only like one person and dislike their on-screen rival 😅
If I like tomorrow, I'll celebrate James being in town, take your judgement elsewhere, friend. 😁
@@dolareastar Where have I mentioned any actor? The head post says "Bridge is back on". I questioned your rationale, not like/dislike for an actor. If you can't explain it, leave it. No need to get defensive, it's just a soap.
@@galoutlaw8089 My point is, you're in no position to 'question MY rationale', as you said 'it is just a soap'.
I love Bridge, also, I can't wait for Nick to be in scenes too, the two feelings can co-exist.
@@dolareastar huh? The very purpose of this space is to share opinions. How am I "in no position" to comment?
The invariable adressing Bridget as Princess is singlehandedly responsible for the keeping the ick factor going strong even if romance wasn't on the table. It's a father's moniker for a daughter and one who never gets older than 6.
Brooke is looking like she might need The Substance. Unlike in the movie where Demi Moore's character was stunning and definitely didn't need to look any younger.
Getting jealous are you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. The romance returns after the boredom of tridge-fridge.😅😅😅
@@rosmarygiovani Y 0 u sound like y 0 u ' r e living deep i n s i d e Brooke's cont.
Yes Nick Payne Marone. Brooke, you're greatest love is coming❤😊
@@LINDAVanHaestregt 😂
Another daddy for other ppl's children. Brooke really thrives on that.
Bridget, get over it! It’s gross 🤮!
Ridge is starting to resemble Bruce Jenner mid transition.
LOLOLOLOL
😂😂😂😂😂 🙌
The babysitter was always a threat to a teenage boy or a marriage, as in Amber Moore or Erica LoveJoy. Ridge's baby sitter is no threat for Brooke, because Logan is the biggest threat out there. A lion won't be intimidated by a chihuahua either.
Ridge wants to be Hope’s dad and “make a difference for her,” while he ignores his own kids and outsources their care to Bridget and Catherine 🙄.
He is going to be a bad father for Taylor's children, just the Eric type
Exactly!!!!
Oh PLEASE....here we go again, another round, Ridge and Brooke together again🙄
Ridge & Brooke: open couple (one u&ly).
Ridge has been aging and looking suddenly older lately. He's almost caught up to Brooke!
I was about to say the same. 😂
Ridge looking so old just makes his relationship with Bridget even creepier.
Not many of us stay in our 20s or 30s
I said the same thing the other day. 😂
@@SuzanneAllen-ne2nr He looked too old for Taylor as well
Where did Brooke hide her car and her baby???
🎵 🎵 Youre the first, the last 🎵....and everything in between... How original Brooke.
And Ridge looks like 😐
I just made a comment on that.. It's been year and Brooke still has to ask this question Loll
Ikr... once again she had to use s ex and her baby 😂
Bridge ❤❤
@@Megatune867 "Ridge, you are my first and last and everything in between. I need to know you feel the same way"
-Brooke Logan, since 1987 😂
Maybe brooke should scream "im your sister" to him innthe mood
13:26 oh hello there! 😍
Seriously Bridget get over yourself you can’t compare to your mother Ridge will always love Brooke Forrester More 😮
Caroline didn't have to worry about Ridge. He might be grieving for a moment but he always moves on quickly and is married/engaged -or at least in love- in less than a year (after the funeral).
Brooke : "Ridge you are my heart... first, last and everything in between.. I just need to know you feel the same way"
It's been 200 years and Brooke still has to ask this...
Talk about destiny 😂
First, last, and everything in between - and her children go... where?
@annieo6527 wherever... She never knows what's going on with them anyway.
Honestly, I will have to say Bridget went after Ridge because she wanted to punish her mother because of the affair sweetheart that’s on Deacon as Well, stop blaming your mother for every day.😮 but what you did is downright calculated and cold 🥶
Bridget is wrong and EW 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 For thinking that her and her stepbrother gonna be a couple Brooke Forrester belong With Ridge Forrester😮
Not sure why all of you hate Katherine Kelly Lang so much
I don't like Brooke and the stupid writer who made her the only character he cares about
@@babs4848 same. It's not about KKL per se. It's about the imbalance that is created when the entire fictional universe bends to revolve around one character.
Not one person has said they hate her, they just don’t think she’s attractive and/or think she’s a bad actress. Nothing wrong with that.
S h e 's u&ly and can't act and her boyfriend's obsession with her ruined the show. Next question.
Not all just a bunch they spread negativity all over
Brooke is in her element when she is in bed with a man. They used maps back then, lol. So, this was how Nick was introduced.
Nick Marone
In this drama only brothers left their sisters and sons spared their biological mothers others everyone has slept with everyone regardless of relationship.
Nick Payne Marone was great for the first three an a half years❤🥰, but in or after the second half of 2006 until his last scene in 2012 Nick was horrible😔😡.
So he was great only when he was in love with the mattress
It was very progressive of B&B back then to have a trans actress like Katherine Kelly Lang in these love scenes.
Ridge is l oo king like he is transitioning too though 🤭
@@Esi-741 😂😂😂
That’s an awful thing to say about anyone even if you don’t like their character 😡
@@cathyarnette2887 It's not my fault that her reassignment su r g e r y isn't very convincing.
Oh look! Cathy has finally joined us in real time. 🤭
Enter Nick Marone
Yes he has arrived and everything is about to change. Its not brooke who will have competition although Bridget is just a distraction to get Brooke in the right frame if mind so the arrival of Nick will have its full impact. By the way tridge/fridge fans are crawling back under their rocks .They cannot stand Ridge with Brooke so again they are attacking the actress personally. How obvious they are. KKL is stunning. They should wait however for plastic lips to return 😅😅😅😅
@@rosmarygiovani finally a SL where Brooke is not the other woman Ridge doesn't want because there's someone better around .
@@babs4848
You are really out of the SL. There will not be another women for Ridges attention but a better man for Brookes. This is again an example of how you do not read and understand the storyline. Never mind maybe you should get a translator 😅😅😅
@@rosmarygiovani I made a résumé. It's your fault if you can't read between the lines. And Nick and Brooke, the perfect match, did last how many years?
@babs4848
It didn't last many years it just introduced a new love triangle with Brooke, Bridget and so on. As you know Brooke went back to Ridge a little after his heart attack.
@@rosmarygiovani so it's Ridge's heart attack fault if Brooke and Nick break up, Or Bridget, or Taylor s one again if Brooke messed with Nick.
Brooke is a living mess
5:35 These two now🥹 I've been off this path, don't bring me back to this Bridge, pun intended!