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- Jeff and Elliotte open the podcast by reviewing the Red Wings defeat of the Toronto Maple Leafs, and a discussion around whether the Leafs should really be buyers at the deadline. That, and more, in this edition of 32 Thoughts!
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0:00 - Discussing whether the Leafs should really be buyers at the deadline.
9:07 - They get into Jacob Markstrom and his potential trade availability.
16:09 - Diving into the future of Jake Guentzel and whether the Penguins go into a mini rebuild.
26:39 - The Ottawa Senators are gauging the trade market for veteran players.
34:33 - Thoughts on Drew Doughty responding to trade proposals on X/Twitter.
40:20 - Finally, is Cody Hodgson planning a comeback to professional hockey?
50:19 - The guys answer your questions in the Montana’s Thought Line 1:26:03 - Elliotte sits down with Colorado Avalanche Forward Nathan MacKinnon.
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Should The Toronto Maple Leafs Buy Or Sell At The NHL Trade Deadline? 32 Thoughts Podcast
#nhl #hockey #nhlpodcast #hockeypodcast #32thoughts #torontomapleleafs - กีฬา
The Nathan MacKinnon interview starts at 1:22:15
thanks!
Thank you for your service sir
The leafs don’t have a Stanley cup level goalie or defense. The offense has a lot of skill but they lack the grit needed to produce 16 wins in the playoffs.
I’ve been a leafs fan for over 40 years. There’s nothing here that makes me think this year we have a shot. We need a goalie, we need team defense, we need a leader, we need guys that would rather die than lose a puck battle.
Well said.
I don't like the Leafs, I don't hate them. I want to see them win. But man. Watching this team is like watching the slowest moving train wreck you'll ever see in sports. ALL that money to four guys who can score, but play with ZERO heart or passion. And we're what, 7 playoffs and one series win. I love watching EVERYONE believe they can win; hoping beyond reason that they will; knowing they probably never will with this roster. I can't stop watching! It's like watching a teenager get hit by a car for 8 slow years.
Try supporting this joke for 50 years. If I didn’t support them for so long, I’d be ssooooo done with this woke, pansy team
@@OldmanflyfishingI’m 45 years in and I’m right with you.
@@TheMightyOdinI'm not that old but I'm with you
Fire Sheldon and bring in Berube
they only have offense brah@@jjjobin7124
And its about time Shanahan got the boot as well
Shanahan should have gotten the boot 2, 3 years ago
Shanahan is like Matthew Perry when he took drugs on the set of Friends before filming. If Ron said that on HNIC, he would do Friends jokes saying, "Could it be any awful for Toronto or are they really on a break?"
Have been saying that for years. He just flies under the radar, stays in the background and keeps his job! What has he done to make the team better?
Great Nate Interview. Would love to see him play in the Olympics.
When I was going through bad depression, my mother entered palliative care. It was the hardest thing to go support a loved one dying when I just wanted to die myself. I pushed myself hard, because this was my last moments with mom and she deserved to see me “happy”. I am so proud of myself doing that, I have no regrets and it helped me to come to terms with her passing. Put the effort in, work hard, because life will just fly by and all you’ll have left is your regrets and experiences.
MacKinnon time stamp is wrong in the video description. It starts at 1:22:25
No movement clause come with a lower salary - EXCEPT in Toronto where you get max dollars and a no movement clause.
Probably my biggest issue with these contracts.
Show you're committed to the leafs by taking less, and you'll get your ntc. Otherwise I need to be flexible enough to make moves with a tight cap.
tbh just ban no trade clauses altogether. if the players can move on in unrestricted free agency the organization should be able to do the same.@@MrNicks74
Leafs should be selling not buying, they're not contenders and need multiple moves not just one or two. Get some assets and picks back and reshape this roster in the offseason.
Why delude Leafs fans into hoping that trading for two top tier defensive defensemen and the return of Joseph Woll will right this sinking tugboat?
Captain Tavares was benched for several shifts in the third period for lazy play. Nylander is in hibernation mode. Auston is worried his moustache might get rearranged if his face is smashed in, and Marner is pouting that Nylander will make more than him next season!
And playoff Marner is a coward.@@Landis_Grant
Leaf’s should have a fire sale. Not nearly enough character in the dressing room
Trade marner. He's fantastic but I'd rather pay a winger 7m and use the balance elsewhere
should of traded Nylander
Once in a while, Jeff came up with a gem…I agreed a player asked to waive his no trade should be compensated, let’s make that count towards the cap too just to complicate things more, if not for laughs.
Everyone that says trade the core 4, every single one of them have a not just no trade clause but a no movement clause, you can’t even send these punks to the minors. Thank you to all the GM that sign players to contracts like this.
Oilers fan here but i honestly dont understand anyone commenting that Marner should go ahead of Matthews. AM is going to sign in the states as soon as hes a ufa
Great episode.
With the way the Leafs are structured as a team, also by the cap, Trelliving has only got one move. After the season Sutter will be brought in.
Wish Marner and Tavares would restructure their contracts. Keep the NMC but shave off several million each. They’re hometown guys, I’d they truly want to win and stay in Toronto they should take a couple million less each.
Where was St Louis at the half way point in the year they won the Cup?
they had some very good character players . And a heck of a good goalie too
I wouldnt mind seeing Nylander in Boston centering Pasta, the are good buddies and played together well in Sweden. :)
It is not a good sign that Nylander gets called out by Keefe just days after his upper crust deal... I'm hoping reversion to the mean has not shown up so fast.
Doesnt matter what the Laughs do they are screwed no matter what.
They sort of have to buy. 62% of their CAP next year is dedicated to five players. Trouble on defense. Trouble in nets. Trouble with offensive depth. Have to buy if they can
just terrible cap management
100% sell, even Matthews. Every single star they have is a one way, one dimensional, stat padding floater. Especially Auston Matthews. Tons of goals and points against Anaheim, but NEVER a single point in a tough game. I would take 1 Nathan MacKinnon over 3 Auston Matthews when it comes to winning. This team will be lucky to make the playoffs, and be gone immediately. Why not sell? But, considering the core all cannot be traded, who would they be selling? We all know the Leafs are coming out of this roadtrip in dire shape.
They all have no-trade clauses. Not happening.
Oh they will come out 3 wins out of 4 and suck everyone right back in, you watch, mark my words!!!
@@Oldmanflyfishingagreed!
Can we please sell for picks until we get in position to win a cup for once?
please sell ...I ve never hated a maple leaf core more than these guys
I know it's popular to call for a coaching change when a team is losing but what more can Keefe do? He's tried it all and it hasn't worked. This team can't play within a structure under this coach. It's year 5 of Keefe, which is an eternity in pro sport. So let's go MLSE, do what you need to do and let's move forward. And while you're at it, take a good look at your president cuz it's 10 friggin years and you've won 1 round.
Keefe lost to the Habs fill in coach when up 3-0. How quickly we all forget
When you make $10+ million a year you lose your hearing! These guys are on their own program, not Keefes fault!
Mr Friedman, you're going to have to be more careful with pronunciation of names (i know i'm one to talk - they sound the same but they're spelled different) however, to not get confused between Gauthier and Gaucher. Anaheim has both, and in fact, Gaucher was a Memorial Cup winner and 2 x U20 Gold medal winner that apparently some teams have forgotten about???
Billiam Nolanders contract will screw this team for almost a decade. His lazy ways instantly came back
The Leafs had $60 million worth of guys on the ice with the empty net, and didn't get a shot on goal.
Look... I'm a Wings fan, so I'm quite happy the good guys went in and won a game that started about an hour after their plane landed. That's a huge character win for the boys. But for the bigger question, I can't say whether the Leafs *should* be buyers at the deadline, but if they do? They currently have $35k in cap space. Granted, this number will change as the deadline approaches, but it'll be interesting to see which player is kicked off the island. I don't doubt the Leafs will make it, but will they make it past the first round again?
My personal view is, the Leafs should really.re-tool and figure out their whole situation. When you look at that Leafs roster, look at the guys they have, they should be last-year-Bruins level of good right now. Such a high-powered, high-salary cast of characters, but they get teams they should be beating and just flubbing it. Last night's loss can't be blamed on Samsonov. He made some amazing saves. Meanwhile, the Leafs simply didn't take advantage of enough of their chances. They made 2023-2024 Reimer look like 2012-2013 Reimer. So, if they're serious about winning a cup with their core, that front office needs to make some decisions. This season? If there's not a real change of direction in the room, the Leafs are heading for another first round exit... only this time, the series might not even get to seven games.
They sure are. No way they beat Florida or Boston in a playoff series
Disagree about 67 and 85. Just because new teams came in doesn’t mean the athletes weren’t there. Especially in 67 every town in Canada had amateur hockey players who were better than nhl players and they chose not to play because the pay sucked or they were overlooked bc of bad drafting.
Inks not even dry yet on Willys contract and he's already calling it in😅
One week ago, we were all praising the Leafs for their solid defence play on the Western road trip. 2 losses later, we calling for them to be sellers
This is Shanahan's fault.
sure is. We got the wrong red wing running the leaf show. Izerman would of been a much better choice
Leafs players don’t deserve any upgrades this season. The best result would be to miss the playoffs and rub it in their faces every damn day. And the core four has to be broken up with at least one trade. I know the core have no moves but that’s very easy to get around. Healthy sit the ones you want to give the boot a few games to piss them off. Egos will void the no trade clause.
Those core players don't care about a cup. They got their money and will get paid regardless of how the team does. As long as the fans continue to pack the building and buy mech, nothing will change
@@scottmccombs2257
100% agree
Sell, come on it’s cup or bust. They should hang on to their picks though
I don't think the leafs have anyone they can "sell" (the core all have full NMC) and they don't much to buy with either seeing that they probably need another retention partner
Domi, brodie, samsonov, bertuzzi, jarnkrock, kampf, reeves, Giordano,...don't matter what u get in return...kids they have in Minors have way way more jam
Pretty sure nylander has a limited 10 team ntc until the end of this contract.
Doesn’t really matter they are a one and done team..Matthew’s has to score 2 goals every game and maybe they’ll win a round. Cowboys of the NHL
Leafs are built for regular season hockey. Leafs are not built for the much more physical grinding playoffs. Tweaking 1 or 2 players is not going to change the outcome.
It's going to be Canucks vs Panthers
Those are the only two teams in the league that consistently put up %110 every single game & play for more than just the money.
So Jets-Canucks in the WCF?
I wouldnt write Vegas or Colorado off.
Sell trade a bunch of players for draft picks lose games like they are now get good high draft pick and start fresh next year with young players let the young guys play and hire one or 2 physical guys to show them on how to be physical
IMO the leafs need to do both. Sell big in order to buy your need
As a disappointed leaf fan "who's not delusional" knows that the leafs are far from contending they had one serious season and they blew a 3-0 series lead to Montreal...that's the same core pretty much same personal...I said after that year alot has to change ...coaching being one ...and here we are
100% that was the year the entire world learned who this core was. Then leadership closed their eyes and decided to pretend it never happened. Insanity.
I’ve been after Keefe head ever since that series. I have yet to come back from it. If I haven’t invested 50 years into this franchise, I’d hate everything about them. The Leafs have become what the federal government is, a woke joke of self entitlement
@@AlwayzFreshof that core four one showed up (Nylander), one got his brain crashed 5 minutes into the series - so what do you mean the world learned who this core was? Say "Marner and Matthews", be precise don't always paint inaccurate pictures. Willy and JT always played well in post season. Marner has a no move and you're not trading Matthews. Only thing they could've done (and should have) was fire the coach. Sheldon and Kyle were friends that's why it didn't happen. Bad luck.
I don't really understand this. The core are playing exceptional this year. Blame their contracts and management if you want but these guys are doing exactly what you are paying them for. This team is losing consistently in big spots because they don't have the depth neeeded to ice a competitive team for 60 minutes a night.
The guys are playing well when we need them to but hockey is a 23 man game. Blame management for allowing this to happen but lets get real, 3 guys on 100+ point paces and one with a 70 goal pace is not the reason we are losing ON the ice consistently. Theyre not perfect but thats the reality.
@@Alex-vo2ewTavares has been awful for 11 million, needs a pay cut and to bump down to line 3
The leafs can’t sell, not during this so-called “winning” window, but they sure as hell shouldn’t buy either. This team is in a really bad spot, and I don’t know if I trust Treliving to solve it.
We'll probably have a rough year or 2 until the Marner and Tavares contracts expire. If they resign Tavares for more than 5 mill I don't think I'll be watching this team for a while lol
The GM sign 3 horrible contracts so far. Reeves, Kamph and Nolander. I wouldn’t trust him with a fart right now
Rebuild
This team knows it had to trade either Marner or Nylander and they chose, so going forward Tavares will be gone and Marner will be gone . You keep Mattews and Nylander , Reilly. The rest are expendable. With the Marner trade you get your defence or high draft pick in the 2024 or 25 draft.
How are you going to trade Marner if he does not want to move? He has a full no-movement clause in his contract. Not happening.
Bottom line, leafs have to beat Florida , Boston to make it out of the Atlantic. Signing Nylander for all this cap space does not help a team that's already too top heavy in cap spending and lacking good defense and goaltending
Trade Bertuzzi for Holl and Husso or Reimer. Wings get depth forward and Leafs get a D and another goalie.
Doing nothing would be the most courageous thing. This team isn't one or even two or three moves away from the top.
YES!!! Trade the core get some star not superstar players. Built for the goal up.
Seriously people hate the Leafs with good reason. We gave the players the keys to the Kingdom without winning anything, they show zero heart, they blame the coaches, it’s the refs, etc. wake up and look in the mirror. Nobody except Reilly was willing to take a team friendly deal. AM does nothing against elite competition time and time again. Guy is gonna be the highest paid player and isn’t in the top 10 in scoring. Honestly if this team keeps meandering I hope they just stand pact or even become sellers to show these no heart, overpaid babies that they need to dig deep if they think management should go out to get them help. We have bled the coffers dry and need to reset and rebuild this team with a proper D corp and depth.
The Leafs can’t bring in a hard ass coach like Berube or Sutter, the players are to soft and their feelings would be hurt!
Please sell, this team isn't built properly!!!! 3 players making 11.5, and a coach who's bewildered. Pls trade Marner and TJ brodie and bring back some good defensemen and a goalie
SELL SELL SELL that F'ER MARNER for a bucket of hockey pucks - OK alright alright alright - I am NOT being fair - I hear you and you ARE right - he is NOT worth that much - tell them we will throw in a new ZAMBONI to sweeten the pot
How much did you get for your brain? No more than a moldy peanut butter sandwich, I hope, otherwise you ripped the buyer off.
Here's a very specific answer to the question in your thumbnail: We should sell. The leafs should trade Mitch Marner for one amazing defenseman and another really good defenseman, or an amazing defenseman and an amazing goalie. We could afford to do either...
And don't get me wrong, I love Mitch Marner, but we don't want to trade Matthews or Nylander, and Tavares is near the end of his contract, so that wouldn't make sense.
I'm not sure how else we can get out of this situation, but something has to give.
I'm looking three or four years down the road and thinking we're going to be in the same situation as the San Jose Sharks. That will not be good as it is very difficult to charge almost $300 a ticket for a losing team...
I'm just spitballing here, but if we don't do something significant and soon, we're going to be having the same conversation in April that we have had for most of the last 17 Aprils...
Thoughts, comments, questions, concerns?
lmao imagine wanting to trade Marner...
@@drlca6601 lmao, imagine thinking that having 100% of your firepower in four forwards is going to win you a series or a Stanley Cup....
Instead of just trying to hurl an insult at me, why don't you look at my original post and, in true debate style, pick apart my argument and show that I'm wrong. You know what a debate is, right?
looool, who hurt you? You couldn't be more butthurt if you tried, kiddo... I never insulted you, so stop acting like a baby. You're the only one insulting strangers on the Internet. I wonder why...
I also love how you said "thoughts?" then freaked out at the first person who gave theirs. You know what a conversation is, right?
Furthermore, no one said anything about keeping four forwards, that's
just you spazzing. The goal would've been to trade Nylander, but that time has come and gone. Now stop getting butthurt at strangers on the Interwebz and go meditate, or exercise or eat something. You clearly need to spend your energies somewhere other than picking fights in YT comments. Good luck!
Fans don’t even get up when they score lol. Sure they make the playoffs but we know what will happen bring the brooms out again
I'm hearing Leafs
Leafs need players care
Leafs are 6th in the division in regulation wins just one more regulation win than Ottawa. Compared to the rest of the league they are 25th in regulation wins. Paying half your cap to 4 forwards was, is and always will be a huge mistake going into the playoffs.
…Or fold?
Trade kickers wont work becouse guys who only care for money will want to get traded not fare
Get rid of the pre Madonnas,Matthew's most favorite player all time,get rid of them 4
sell, get rid of 1 or 2 the large contracts ( mitch and or JT) now or in off season..... i am not a leafs fan.
No
Trade Mitch Marner now to free up $5.45 M until end of season and trade for two solid stay at home defensive defensemen and trade Samsonov and Brodie for a solid backup goalie.
No Movement Clause. No trade.
@@scottnewton9060 At least ask
@@Oldmanflyfishing What if Buffalo said to Treliving that they would like to trade for Mitch Marner and pay him $13.25 M AAV and they’ll give the Leafs either Dahlin or Power, would Mitch waive his NM clause?
@@Landis_Grantno he would not.
@Landis_Grant Buffalo will not move Dahlin unless you overpay dearly. You don't want Power. You don't want a 6' 6" dman that won't hit anything and plays like he's 5' 9". This from a sabres fan.
Not a Leafs fan but the core is the least impressive I've ever seen insofar as all the intangibles go i.e. character/heart--not a crew that seems to have pride in wearing that jersey--Corporations are really lousy at thinking outside the box but IMO they need a culture change and that starts with upper management
Marner to Flames for Markstrom and Tanev and a 1st
No Movement Clause. No trade.
@@scottnewton9060ask
Marner isn’t worth that much.
he could wave it noob@@scottnewton9060
hes younger@@jimlangdon1947
Leafs won’t sell. It’s a non-option for the franchise at this point.
I can't be fan this team anymore
Sell the core. No question. Dubas is not a good gm and his team is garbage. This core will never win a cup guaranteed
Any Leaf fans whose been watching knows this team has zero chance with this core.
Sell the entire team to Hamilton. Maybe that city could make them win.
Selllllllll !
Sell
the leafs
Here we go again. Leafs drama. What for?
Year after year we get this crap about a team that never has any chemistry. Same old same old.
Leafs should sell till JT's contract is up
when you have half of your cap to four players you will never win
We all see this except the Leafs management..
Roflmfao, wtf? Sell what? No one wants you offering. Buy what? You have no money with the "core" 4 making over half your cap.
sell
100% sell Marner. Leafs need a depth player, not an offensive showman.
Was funny watching marner twist and turn and dance in circles just inside the blue line for probably 5-7 seconds just to pass it into a corner and loose it..
does anyone out side the gta listen to this crapola?
Sell your nowhere near a cup contenders
sell sell sell .. time to rebiuld .. this team is headed south, and falling apart .. shanahan was a great player but he's the worst Pres in the league .. keefe is the worst coach, and MLSE are the worst owners in the league .. therefore the Leafs are not well constructed, terribly put together actually .. the Leafs need everything new from ownership down .. proof is in the pudding, the writing is on the wall .. well, if you want to win in the playoffs that is .. Elliot has no clue, why is he even involved ... never have I heard him offer an original thought or interesting word about hockey .. he's a "broadcaster", he should be doing the weather somewhere
Sell. The team has no heart!
Leafs buyers? Lmao! 😂
SELL
Full rebuild.
They don't need a full rebuild. They just need to get rid of 1 or 2 of the big contracts. Tavares should be the first to go if they can't resign him for cheap.
32 thoughts on 1 team . Getting sick of this pod!
Elliote is not funny....please stop trying to be!
Trade woke liberal Marner
No-Trade Clause. Not happening.
The whole organization is a woke joke. They are owned by the two farthest left corporations in Canada, being Rogers and Scotia bank
LMFAO should the leafs be selllers? what tf are you talking about?
It's been pretty clear the last three years.. dumbas was spending everything, there's nothing left.
Sell