I've been to AG-Flight in Bainbridge recently and have flown with them. I know about their safety record. I just never saw anything un-safe when I was there. The main reason I wouldn't go there is because it's more expensive then flying tigers....and it's in Bainbridge haha! The plus side of Ag-flight is the number of hours you get and despite the fact about that bad safety record the place seems to have the best reputation for turning out true grit pilots....if you survive.
the trick to flying under powerlines is very simple. Fly lower than they are, LOL,,,its actually called using good sense. Don't simply go for a powerline, but before starting,,,fly parallel with the line and take a good look at it,, take it from someone who flew out of my own personal runway with high tension powerlines across my runway. Every single time I took off or landed,,,I went under them, for 10 years.
they are failing to teach the basic stuff, stall/spin training is the heart to any good ag program. I have had to teach some of their grads who had never done a spin! stall/spin is probably the number one killer in Ag. how can you avoid it if no one ever took you up to altitude and let you become proficient at recovery? you will eventually stall in the turn, how you react is determined by your training. good training its not a problem, bad training you play lawn dart!
Billy Howell is making all of us look like idiots. when people see dead students on the news they think crop dusting is dangerous and crop dusters are crazy. there are risks to crop dusting, it is unforgiving if you make mistakes but it is not a dangerous job if you know what you are doing. if you graduated from agflight and still feel that crop dusting is "inherently dangerous" they failed to teach you what you needed to know.
power lines definately sag a lot during the day! I would recommend you rethink your decision to attend AgFlight. you should look at their safety record.. 14 accidents, 7 fatalities.. that I know of. and you wont be learning to fly under power lines out there, save your money and go anywhere else. and I'm not just talking random shit, I worked out there for a few days before I came to my senses and quit lol. you should look at flying tigers or eagle vistas.
they dont teach you how to turn a loaded airplane, the last time I talked to one of their instructors 'bubba" didn't even know what the hell I meant by simulating load. did anyone pull the power back and make you fly the turns heavy? or teach you how to adjust for the changing weight? flat turns are safer when your loaded, arc turns are faster when your light. knowing the recovery procedure for a low speed condition changes with the type of turn is basic knowledge you probably didn't learn
@thecropduster1 I wonder why you have an axe to grind against Billy Howell. Ther have been accidents, BUT, anyone in aviation knows that ag aviation is inherently dangerous. Ag Flight has been in business for a long time. I've been through the training and it is as safe as you could ask for. They worry like mother hens when students solo. If the school was as bad as you imply, the FAA would have shut them down by now.
the best reputation? I've never heard anyone say anything good about them before, lol besides my underwriter wont insure ag-flight grads so I would make damn sure you get a plan of action from your insurance company before you throw a ridiculous amount of money at Billy Howell.
@thecropduster1 You are full of it. Been to the school and the instruction and safety are excellent. You worked there for a few days? Doing what? Your stats seem to be skewed too. You criticize their safety yet complain that they won't teach you to fly under powerlines. You're talking out of your but.
five mins on the NTSB site searching for Bainbridge will back up anything I say. dont be a moron do your home work before shitty training gets you killed. theres even a facebook group for "survivors"
they don't even teach the basic crop dusting skills like how to work around cell towers, power lines and obstacles. their students are doing all that shit for the first time by themselves with no instruction to tell them how to get around the tower or under the power line. the only reason anyone goes under a power line is because its safer to go under then try and climb a heavy airplane over. knowing how to tell if you can safely fit under is easy, but if no one taught you how you'll die.
I cant imagine how they have not been shut down. they've killed two students since I was there in 2006. (just google "agflight fatal crash" and read the first two articles") and it is purely an Ag-flight problem, the other schools (FTA and Eagle Vistas) haven't killed anyone and FTA has been around for close to 20 years. I'm sure your instructors are good guys, but I know from being there that Billy Howell is more worried about money then safety and that creates a dangerous ignorant attitude
five mins on the NTSB site searching for Bainbridge will back up anything I say. dont be a moron do your home work before shitty training gets you killed. theres a facebook group for "survivors"
@magesticmage
It's a GPS Satlock. Helps you fly in a straight line over the field and maximizes efficient coverage and reduces overspray.
I've been to AG-Flight in Bainbridge recently and have flown with them. I know about their safety record. I just never saw anything un-safe when I was there. The main reason I wouldn't go there is because it's more expensive then flying tigers....and it's in Bainbridge haha! The plus side of Ag-flight is the number of hours you get and despite the fact about that bad safety record the place seems to have the best reputation for turning out true grit pilots....if you survive.
the trick to flying under powerlines is very simple. Fly lower than they are, LOL,,,its actually called using good sense. Don't simply go for a powerline, but before starting,,,fly parallel with the line and take a good look at it,, take it from someone who flew out of my own personal runway with high tension powerlines across my runway. Every single time I took off or landed,,,I went under them, for 10 years.
they are failing to teach the basic stuff, stall/spin training is the heart to any good ag program. I have had to teach some of their grads who had never done a spin! stall/spin is probably the number one killer in Ag. how can you avoid it if no one ever took you up to altitude and let you become proficient at recovery? you will eventually stall in the turn, how you react is determined by your training. good training its not a problem, bad training you play lawn dart!
And that's the closest I'll be in a plane
Billy Howell is making all of us look like idiots. when people see dead students on the news they think crop dusting is dangerous and crop dusters are crazy. there are risks to crop dusting, it is unforgiving if you make mistakes but it is not a dangerous job if you know what you are doing. if you graduated from agflight and still feel that crop dusting is "inherently dangerous" they failed to teach you what you needed to know.
power lines definately sag a lot during the day!
I would recommend you rethink your decision to attend AgFlight. you should look at their safety record.. 14 accidents, 7 fatalities.. that I know of.
and you wont be learning to fly under power lines out there, save your money and go anywhere else. and I'm not just talking random shit, I worked out there for a few days before I came to my senses and quit lol. you should look at flying tigers or eagle vistas.
they dont teach you how to turn a loaded airplane, the last time I talked to one of their instructors 'bubba" didn't even know what the hell I meant by simulating load. did anyone pull the power back and make you fly the turns heavy? or teach you how to adjust for the changing weight? flat turns are safer when your loaded, arc turns are faster when your light. knowing the recovery procedure for a low speed condition changes with the type of turn is basic knowledge you probably didn't learn
the links are upside down its the only way I could get youtube to post them
whats that flashy thing under the top wing ?
@thecropduster1 I wonder why you have an axe to grind against Billy Howell. Ther have been accidents, BUT, anyone in aviation knows that ag aviation is inherently dangerous. Ag Flight has been in business for a long time. I've been through the training and it is as safe as you could ask for. They worry like mother hens when students solo. If the school was as bad as you imply, the FAA would have shut them down by now.
the best reputation? I've never heard anyone say anything good about them before, lol besides my underwriter wont insure ag-flight grads so I would make damn sure you get a plan of action from your insurance company before you throw a ridiculous amount of money at Billy Howell.
@thecropduster1 You are full of it. Been to the school and the instruction and safety are excellent. You worked there for a few days? Doing what? Your stats seem to be skewed too. You criticize their safety yet complain that they won't teach you to fly under powerlines. You're talking out of your but.
five mins on the NTSB site searching for Bainbridge will back up anything I say. dont be a moron do your home work before shitty training gets you killed. theres even a facebook group for "survivors"
they don't even teach the basic crop dusting skills like how to work around cell towers, power lines and obstacles. their students are doing all that shit for the first time by themselves with no instruction to tell them how to get around the tower or under the power line. the only reason anyone goes under a power line is because its safer to go under then try and climb a heavy airplane over. knowing how to tell if you can safely fit under is easy, but if no one taught you how you'll die.
I cant imagine how they have not been shut down. they've killed two students since I was there in 2006. (just google "agflight fatal crash" and read the first two articles") and it is purely an Ag-flight problem, the other schools (FTA and Eagle Vistas) haven't killed anyone and FTA has been around for close to 20 years. I'm sure your instructors are good guys, but I know from being there that Billy Howell is more worried about money then safety and that creates a dangerous ignorant attitude
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five mins on the NTSB site searching for Bainbridge will back up anything I say. dont be a moron do your home work before shitty training gets you killed. theres a facebook group for "survivors"