Status for August 1st: - all capable T-72M1 and M1Z are in Ukraine - unspecified number of PT-91's is in Ukraine, rest will be sent when replacement tanks come - additional 116 M1A1SA will arrive in 2023, later to be upgraded to SEPv3 - 200 K2 from ROK army reserves bought to fill the gap left by PT-91's planed to be sent to Ukraine, later to be upgraded to K2PL standard if possible - planed production of 800+ K2PL to rebuild armored force from before the peacetime reduction and retirement of all remaining Leopard 2's - frame agreements signed for various purchases from Koreans, development and further production of K2PL
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 why? Ukrainian katsap removal bussiness is doing fine and chared corpses of ru**ian tankers are great suplement to diet of local dogs. Since it came out that so called 'second army in the world' is in fact second, but not in the world but in Ukraine, sending some equipment and ammo is more than enough to kick their ass and in near future completely collapse this terrorist state called ru**ia. Oh! And be sure to ask your boys if they enjoy being cut off on the west bank of Dnipro xD
Russia: "Ehi Poland why are a hundred t72s missing from your reserves?" Poland: "Whoopsie I had parked them on the border and someone stole them, I'm sorry there is literally nothing I can do about that"
I love seeing Abrams tanks in their natural woodland camo scheme and Central/Eastern European habitats, after so many years in the deserts. Nature is healing!
It was actually really weird seeing those in green. I've really only ever seen them in the desert camo. Granted one of my earliest memories is the news on the Invasion of Iraq.
American here, long live Poland for all fucking time. Polish history and there struggle cut me deep, how we had to betray them to the Soviets due to nuclear doctrines... Hope we can make up for that with our assistance. Niech zyje Polska!
That's nice to hear, thanks, however gotta point out that the Soviets didn't have any nuclear weapons until 1949 and the USSR was quite weak in 1945 so the reasons for that betrayal are still a bit unclear to me
@TheBucketSkill long live America! thanks for what you guys are doing for us, I doubt soviets would stop if in Ukraine if they thought USA has abandonned us. 82nd Airborne is stationed in my hometown:) Hopefully USA will stay in Europe, US is our only ally that can be trusted. All the best American Bro:)
@@mateuszkajdan8912 You could say we betrayed what we said we stood for, and that we should of came to Poland's defense no matter what. But ultimately the true betrayal of Poland lies with France and Britain. In writing, in so many instances they were the one's who fed you false promises. America is a nobody country outside of Europe at the time of 1939. Our military was smaller weaker less technological version of France. No much we could do, but that's changed so much...
I loved serving with the Poles on NATO exercises in Germany. Really enthusiastic troops who really wanted to be as involved as possible in NATO. They'll make really good use of Abrams tanks.
If the poles are known for any one thing it’s hating the Russians with every fiber of their country and doing everything possible to protect themselves from said Russians
Great to see a strong Poland. While many have forgotten the cry of “Never Again”. Recent events has shown that Poland hasn’t forgotten. Much respect from this American to 🇵🇱!!!
Thank you. Bit bitter, cause for years we have been SHOUTING that Russia is an enemy of the free world and is only waiting to attack! But to no avail. It turned out that Poles were not lunatic Russophobes but realists. It is a great pity that, after Auschwitz (read about Pilecki report), it must have happened again. Greetings from Poland.
@@anonymoususer3561 I watched the video, but to know this, you would not need to watch this video. I expected a more technical explanation my boy. Where do you think the T-72 tanks Ukraine got from Poland (at least 200) came from?
Why the 10 minute limit? It does make the video edit time shorter, but leaves us with very short clips. Very good piece, but the audio is annoying and may as well be played backward.
FAQ: 1. Poland is sending Ukraine about 200 T-72M1s. We held off on mentioning this because it’s unclear how many will come from storage, but it’s possible this means Poland is dumping all of its unupgraded T-72M1s. 2. Poland will not have Challenger 2s. If Britain sends over Chalengers to fill the gap of T-72s, they will be manned by Brits. It’s be akin to an increased NATO presence to make up for decreased national tank capacity. Follow our new Twitter for graphics, preliminary research threads & stuff we like: twitter.com/battle_order
very interesting, could you, in the light of the French trend you've had for these past weeks, cover french tank battalions as well as support, covering amx10s and VBCI's but also cover the new EBRC Jaguar and perhaps cover the scorpion program
PT-91 Twardy is better equipped than it seems and crewed with highly skilled soldiers that can get the most out of this AFV. Half of these are, rebuilt T-72M1, and the other half is the wider and better-constructed platform. The latest improvements consist of 3-gen thermal cameras and passive IR vision, better APFSDS munition, modern APS of the soft-kill type, and a more than decent ERA array. The vehicle is fully hunter-killer tactics capable.
one thing, Poland don have t72 somebody stole them, the police were notified, first it was said that 100 were missing, now it is said that all functional ones are missing about 180. In addition, thieves stole tons of ammunition and modern thermal imaging equipment for these tanks. the search continues
I've said it just about everywhere I've seen Poland's purchase of Abrams being discussed and I'll say it here. There needs to be the option to buy a set of wings for each vehicle. As for the purchase itself, it does make sense for the Poles to learn how to drive Leopards, Abrams, and T-72s. Learn your allies' tanks and learn your enemy's tanks.
There’s speculation that we will keep some of pt-91 that are in best shape for future op-for style unit When it comes to hussar wings:2-3 years ago our def-minister described m1’s as closest thing in modern equipment to winged hussars. Propably back then this time was designated as “emergency procurement tank” if all other programs fail to materialise in requested noumbers. That also suggests return to our favourite historical strategy: heavy altilery guarded by small noumbers of heavy infantry and stealing focus from all other units while light infantry softens enemy main force tiering them out for days in preparation for all penetrating- unstoppable cavalry push. Just like glory days.
@@METALandFumasu I do believe that the Polish Armed Forces (at least some) use the winged hussars' symbolic painted on the tanks or in brigade emblems, plus the Polish coat of arms with the white eagle is to be seen on the tanks too.
You can pronounce "Twardy" With V like in "Very", so it will be Closer to proper polish pronounciation. Twardy could mean hard, unbreakable or vigorous. Probably all could work
@@worldoftancraft its not white men club, stfu. Im Brazilian and i dont know how to say words in polish .Another thing english is his main language, so not his fault.
If anyones wondering why we have so many tanks models - that's because the most of leopards were bought in a one time ocassion so to say, tanks + Migs in a pack, and since then there simply wasnt anything similar. That's the reason why we have leopard 2 ver 4 and 5 - the 4's are from that mass purchase and are being improved where the 5's are the later ones. I dont think there is a great leopard market right now, since the german army needs them badly to recover from years of funds cut. Going further PT91 isn't just a variant of t-72, more like improved platform, that still use enough similar parts not to stretch logistics too much. It was made before leopards purchase, since we saw our t-72 as not ideal but couldnt just buy new tanks back then. The PT-91 have much more modernisation potential, do you can say they are ours "first candidate" in any new tank upgarde programs. And to the Abrams - they are mostly a politically driven decision, to tighten ties with USA. Since they are a big burden on logistic as a totally new MBT type. Big part in this all is played by the changing directions for Polish forces dependent on who wins elections. That's why we have many sources of tank forces. The left-center is more pro smaller elite army with a ton (up to a milion) reserve and territorial deffence units, and dont have too much love for tanks, just some modernisation pack + going the ifv/apc way instead, mostly german wehicles (so basically less spending now, to have more cash for future army reconstruction) where the hard libertarians with "right" wing (its complicated but the right guys ofthen are more left than the so called left and put deal with some radical-ish right to keep the face in front of voters) are more about large professional army with wide tanks modernisation programs and much equipment from USA, including new wehicles, even if they are coming out as quite expensive.
Yep, politics is saddleing the polish army with a hodgepodge of gear and a complicated logistics train. Ideally what is needed is a large professional army with homogenized equipment, preferably with a domestic manufacturing contract or indeginously built. Abrams isn't a bad choice but personally given the geopolitics I would have gone with more leopards.
Your memory is failing you. It was the Germans that pushed their influence to get us to buy the Leopard 2. We went to them to buy the MiG-29G from Luftwaffe. They said no problem, they are 1euro each. So we asked what is the catch. They told us to buy 100 Leopards 2. I was in the army when it happened.
@@GutkowskiMarek then looks like i mixed it with a later plan to buy more leopards, still i dont think we were the only ones interested since they were ready to add migs for 1euro. But dont we have much more than 100 ? At least that's what oficcial data shows
@@mateuszk3812 We got 142 the first time around all of them A4 from late 1980s. then we got the second batch of 104A5 and 14 additional A4. Back in that time frame, Germans had more Leo 2 that they knew what to do with. They would give out the things in food aid programs if you would let them. All of them were second-hand. If they were factory new we would have Leo 2A7 The things are still in production.
Besides - if it's true that military itself is in bad shape - won't such investment be in vein? If regular soldiers can't even achieve simple equipment - basically parts for their uniforms ( according 2 some interviews i watched recently).
When I was in Poland with the tank units they had integrated a troop carrier that the polish lady said was called the wolverine. Shit made me jealous as a medic, 360 degree exterior cameras, 4 stretchers with room for more, and you could walk down they aisle without hitting shit. God the m113 is such ass, I hated working in that thing
Yea. The M113 should have been completely ditched when the Stryker came out. There is nothing an 113 does better. Less speed, less armor, less situational awareness. The 113 is total crap. And don’t tell me off road maneuverability. Damn thing will just throw a track or sheer a drive sprocket off.
She told you right. And Poles love these things. They saved many Poles in the Middle East and Afganistan and are beloved among people within the country.
I reckon they know their T-72M1s are pretty trash. There are people who will defend the PT-91 since it is their indigenous upgrade (although it's not unlike late 80s or 90s Russian T-72B upgrades which we acknowledge are not that great). The reason they still have them in service is likely because of budgetary constraints (can't afford to replace their entire tank force at once) and limits to domestic production, rather than it being tactically a better decision to keep T-72s around. Probably why they seem so keen recently to dump their T-72s and, potentially, PT-91s on Ukraine in exchange for increased NATO commitments in Poland.
@@BattleOrder Being honest PT-91 isn't just some "new model" of T-72, the main goal was to provide army with better modernisation platform, and as far as i know it have many improved or additional systems together with some construction changes when compared to the T-72 B. Not to say it is still a subject to ofthen but smaller improvements, so i dont think that calling it similar to T-72 B is accurate representation. Especially since its long-term potential to be upgraded with PT-16 / PT-17 program is greater from what T-72 can offer (mainly thanks to bigger turret and other production changes). Still, i have to agree that tank have its age and design compromises that should be adressed in near future.
@@Shchetchynianin You forgot low cost. I don't just mean that they are cheap now because so many were made and several armies are phasing them out, but that they were *designed* with economy in mind.
@@BattleOrder Exactly. PT-91 were stopgap sollution, and the Leopard 2 was chosen as replacement. When I heard about purchese of M1 from US I was sceptical. Its great tank, but We dont need another type of tank in supply chain. But then as war in Ukraine progress I realise one thing. Germany is not very fond of selling weapons to countries engaged in war with Russia. And that means Leopard 2 is no longer safe choice.
I've been into Polish Army since 2014, and man, even I have problems with clearing this shitstorm in my mind, and you are the foreigner without knowledge of polish language. That's why I have the authority to truly appreciate your hard work, that you had to commit to show that clearly. Also, I am happy you didn't comment the logistics of that - no commentary needed ;) When every division will have only 1 tank type it will be acceptible, until them - just don't think about it :D +But you could add, that 150-250 T-72 suddenly dissapeard, and somehow somebody started using T-72s, they could probably buy them in any T-72 store ;) And now there is a chance to fill the gap with Leo 2s from Rheinmetall and KMW storage, and that would be good (but germans are too venomous to allow that, I mean the politicians) The reason why PT-91s are next to Lithuania is because there is a lot of water there, in Mazuria, lakes and mud, and those tanks are the lightest. Abrams are on the right side of VIstula river you know why (70 tones, too heavy for our bridges, even the military ones). Anyway, great material
I didn't realize the M1's would be too heavy for most bridges even after WW2 reconstruction, but it makes sense on second thought. I imagine during Warsaw Pact days, any new bridges would be designed with the lighter T-72 in mind. As I watched the video the thought that the Polish reserve tank force should conduct river crossing training (finding and marking the best ford points for rivers at different times of years) at least 2 times a year came to mind.
Then Poland really has to strengthen its Vistula bridges and general road infrastructure for the Abrams. Lest in a hot war the Abrams end up in a "use them or lose them" situation.
Thanks for that last bit of info, I was like why on Earth don't you have your best tanks next to the main danger zone of Kaliningrad and Belarus with the vital gap border with Lithuania, that explains it.
The Germans are refusing to sell Leo to Poland? That would be New to me. In fact, as far as I know, the Polish government decided for the M1 instead of the Leo after the usual trials.
Yeah. Its worth of mention that BWP-1 will be replaced by BWP Borsuk that is in end stage of development right now. Project have started in 2013 and as of last week four prototypes were ordered for frist real field tests, in adition for one that already egsisting. Order for serial vehicals (depending on army test resoults) will probibly be placed in mid 2023 whit at least 588 unit in based IFV version expected to be deliverd up to 2035. That number is likly to changed. Production of 50 IFV variant was expected before war in Ukraine. Now however more and more officials are saying that it will be arund 100 pices of base variant IFV yearly...
@@franek.97 Regina=/= mech battalions. Besides most of the specialized variants will require swimming capability(among other things) which LPG can't provide
@@norbi1411 The floating capability ruined the IFV Borsuk program. This requirement was there, so none of the European tracked IFV could offer anything to counter the Borsuk. Now they say there will be a Heavy Borsuk variant. It's impossible to protect this large lower front hull plate to a satisfactory standard. Today a future proof standard is present only in 1 vehicle. That is the Puma. The order for the Borsuk should limit to 300-400 pieces of floating IFV, and the Heavy IFV should be either Rheinmetall Lynx KF41 or the Hanwha AS 21, similar to the Redback version. Both with a heavy Explosive Reactive Armor array in the front to reach Puma's level of protection.
Fielding so many different models of tanks must be a logistical nightmare. Just imagine all the different incompatible spare parts are in their workshops. Keeping all those different tanks moving would be a herculean effort.
@@roadrunner6224 I agree they're comparable, the difference is availability. The first 28 M1s will arrive mid-2022. Germany's production capability is limited and currently full of orders from the Bundeswehr.
@@jimmiller5600 but it won't be Abrams SepV3. As it comes to Leopard 2, according to Norwegian competition first newly build tanks would arrive two years after signing the contract, which is basically the same time.
While logistically it is problematic It also has certain benefits. Various tanks have different strong and weak points. Having a mix of various tanks allows you to use better suited tank for the operation. On top of that, I recently watched a video where crewman of currently Leopard 2 was explaining a lot and he underlined one important thing. Fact that he was first operating in T72, now Leopard and will most likely be moved onto Abrams once they arrive gives him incredible amount of knowledge about strengths and weaknesses of all those tanks and he got to experience those first hand.
Thank you for going through how each level of organization gets larger while still keeping the smaller units in mind. This makes it much easier to follow for keeping track of how much manpower and how many vehicles there are without feeling like you're reading (or trying to read) the MCRP. After reviewing the previous video, I think the difference between this one and the last is that in this one you seem to cover units which are attached to the main force as you go up rather than in the previous video where you seem to review the main force going up in size and then go down in size for the attached units before going back up for the next highest level of main forces. Perhaps this is due to the semi ad-hoc nature of the subject in the previous video vs the more formal subject in this video, but if it is possible to copy the structure in this video going forward, then I'm sure it would be well received. Also, good job on maintaining a visual continuity when moving between levels of organization, such as between tank battalions and brigades.
The visuals and the proper use of map symbols is amazing! Keep up the good work these are super educational and entertaining to watch, not an easy feat to have both
Spoke to some Polish tankies during a range package and got eyes on their Twardy tank, and let me just say they are very excited to be getting the Abrams and I can see why. Good guys too, it was good chatting to them.
This video said all there is to say about central Europe militaries. There are some details about who has obsolete soviet weapons and who has obsolete western weapons but it's not that interesting.
Generally saying: they are not really ready for war with mix of old and modernised communist era equipment and old and new western equipment but they are going through frantic modernisation right now. Since 2015 there has been a lot of pressure to get ready for Russian aggression but this pressure has been mostly successful in Baltics and Poland. For example Czechia (where I am from and where I am most knowledgeable about) has three main maneuver units, the 7th mechanised brigade, 4th rapid response brigade and the 43th paratrooper battalion. The 4th rapid response brigade is armed with Pandur II wheeled IFVs and LOV Iveco infantry mobility vehicles, pretty modern, but the 7th mechanised brigade has one tank company of 30 T-72M4CZ which are basically a Twardy equivalent (but the programme was a costly failure in money terms) and 3 mechanised companies of BVP-2 (a Czechoslovak BMP-2 version), so one brigade is fairly modern, the other is helplessly obsolete. Sadly the new tracked IFV programme is in shambles due to COVID and a change in government (the previous government deliberately sabotaged the programme in their final weeks to make the new one look bad) but there might be a creative solution for it because we really need those. There has been a lot of talk about buying Abrams to replace the T-72s but nothing final. The paratroopers are mounted on Land Rovers and they want to get new vehicles (maybe JLTVs among others). Every other central european army is in a similar state or worse. Only Hungarians might be doing better but well... I wouldn't rely on Hungarians fighting on the side of NATO if push comes to shove.
Do a video about general modernization of Polish army. Got a few interesting programs in the oven with regard to heavy armour, IFV, air / missile defense modernization and navy modernization. Next decade will drastically transform the PL fighting force.
I love the 11th Cav's symbol - the Winged Hussar. Throwback to one of the elite heavy horse cavalry of the 15-1700's. Oh, and the subject of a Sabaton song...
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 you are just throwing around non-related things. So far, the only country that said anything about using nuclear weapons are russian lunatics like putin, lawrow and some random 3rd class politicians like miediediew. Nuclear weapons are the only thing that keeps this oil company in one piece. Without it, this war would either never happen, or russia would be partitioned by now.
Former Abrams Commander here, I was totally unaware of this! These are basically a heavily armed insurance policy for Europe. I can't wait to watch a Polish Gunnery and see how different it is from ours! I'm so excited for you, Poland! The Russians are absolutely terrified of the Abrams specifically. This is going to be a huge deal for GDLS, their current manufacturer.
As far as I know, Leopard 2s are also planned to be withdrawn from active service in the Polish Army by a winner of the Wilk Program. Instead, Leopards will be placed in strategic reserve.
@@norbi1411 i read a few papers about it. Acctually Poland is planning to build one or two service and upgrade centers and this is fully suported by USA. Now with growing contingent in Europe cost of transport US m1's back to america to intensive service or rebuild is really high and only transport by sea takes months. So US Army plans to rebuild their Abrams in Europe probably in Poland thanks to that new contract. Logisticlly it makes sence.
I think variety is always a good thing. The more diverse the tanks are at your disposal, the more difficult it is for the enemy to formulate a plan against it. Of course, there are always negatives to this, like procuring parts for all those different kinds of tanks for the purpose of repairing & fixing damaged ones.
Always pay attention and respect Poland's position on world stability and military action in Eastern Europe. They saw first hand in World War 2 what war brings and then spent the next several decades subjugated by their "rescuers/ally" in the Soviets. They know from experience about the Russians and war in general. That's why their strong support for Ukraine makes its obvious which side is the right one.
Logistic challenges, yes. In exchange, most tank commanders have experience in operating 2 different MBT platforms, some even 4 and they are often participating in the international exercises. Opportunities for development of national tank tactics, deep knowledge of strong and week aspects of many tanks (on the battlefield and in exploitation). That's advantage.
I would love to live in Poland for a few years. They have had a horrible history due to outside threats, but always get back up again. Even after the UK and France turned their back on them.
Poland also has a history of being a top dog in the hood. And not really because of conquests but rather unions, attractive culture, religious tolerance, elective monarchy and deeply rooted parliamentarism.
I remember when the PL-01 was a thing a couple years ago, some people even thought it was capable of fighting the armata XD even though it was just a mock up based on the CV90120. I believe the project was most likely cancelled considering theres no news about it.
i was at the training area with armored cav, mostly handing out fuel, but both the us and polish took it pretty seriously. it was a cool sight to see. i was back at the barracks a few miles away the next day during the live fire and there was constant booms for hours. our colonel gave me a coin, and the polish 4 star general gave me one too during the AAR.
With logistics, maintenance know-how and existing infrastructure in mind, Leo 2A5/6/7 would be better choice for PL than M1 but... Germany refused to sell more Leos 2, Germany and France also refused Poland participation in new European MBT project... so Poland had to seek alternatives. That being said, M1 SEP3 is very capable machine. I wonder how good could be data linking between M1, F-35, F-16 and (potentially) AH-1Z.
I find it so weird the poland has 3 different tanks in service and even more variants, instead of just standardizing on one tank and slowly phasing out there t72/PT91s with leopard 2s
That's because the most of leopards were bought in a one time ocassion so to say, if i remember correctly we have to really pull our influence to get them since many countries were intrested in it, and since then there simply wasnt anything similar. That's the reason why we have leopard 2 ver 4 and 5 - the 4's are from that mass purchase and are being improved where the 5's are the later ones. I dont think there is a great leopard market right nie since the german army needs them badly to recover from years of funds cut. Going further PT91 isn't a variant of t-72, more like improved platform, that still use enough similar parts not to stretch logistics too much. It was made before leopards purchase, since we saw our t-72 as not ideal but couldnt just buy new tanks back then. The PT-91 have much more modernisation potential, do you can say they are ours "first candidate" in any new tank upgarde programs. And to the Abrams - they are mostly a politically driven decision, to tighten ties with USA.
Supposedly it was for tactical cohesion with their allies, like, having leopards closer to the Germans, since if they need support the Germans would use practically the same tank, same with the Abrams and US, the T-72 and Romania etc. which makes some sense, but makes it looks like Poland is a international military outpost, and I said supposedly because of that, since those choices probably were lobby centered, not internal itself.
@@Rrgr5 The military was underfunded for many years. The current plan is to unify to a maximum of two types. The favorite is the M1A2 for the 18th Armored Division and the K2PL for the rest.
The problem is that it has T-72M1's cannon and armour. It may have fancy electronics, but its protection and firepower are inferior even to the oldest Russian tanks in service. T-72B with Kontakt 5 offers between 690 and 800mm of protection against APFSDS ammo and between 940 and 1180 mm against HEAT. The best ammo available for Pt-91 can penetrate 550mm of armour - so it just might destroy a T-72B with Kontakt1, but it's useless against a T-72B with Kontakt5. T-72B, on the other hand, can easily destroy PT-91's armour. This means that thanks to the better sights and fire control systems, the PT-91 will hit the T-72B first - but it probably won't do much damage. Then it will get destroyed when T-72B returns fire. No matter how many modern upgrades you stick on T-72M1, its weak armour and inferior gun mean that it won't be able to compete with even the oldest T-72Bs. Sad but true.
@@igorbednarski8048 Yeah, I would say that lack of good ammo and cannon improvements are a bigger issue than lack of protection. Although we have to keep in mind that most of the time when MBT is knocked out of action it is usually when it got hit from the flank rather than the front. In such a case, even the inferior gun of Pt-91 or T-72M1R will do the trick. Still, though, it means that T series tanks in Polish service can hardly be used in other roles than defending entrenched positions or conducting ambushes.
Great stuff as usual. Can you please also breakdown NATO's Multinational Corps Northeast and in particular - enhanced forward presence groups in the Baltic region? Thank you for an awesome content.
Don't forget about the challengers. About 3 days ago the British announced that they plan to provide Poland with Challenger 2's to supplement the transfer of T72's and possibly some Twardy's to Ukraine.
@@PanProper Most of the articles provided don't state an additional deployment of British regiments or brigades to Poland, but a full transfer of Challenger 2's from British stock. I mean there are dozens of articles confirming this. Though it could be intentional to throw the Russians off.
@@Vengir Any source to back that? Or just a 'trust me bro' type of deal? Im open info, but don't tell me it's wrong without showing me. As far as Ive seen, there's no need for more British regiments in Poland, the US already has a plus'd up ACB deployed on top of the 2CR and the 101st NRRF. So I doubt the need is more presence, but instead to supplement inventory loss. Again, I'm open to any info to the contrary.
@@Vengir 'Fill-Gap' is a term used for replacing lost equipment. 'Deployment' is generally the term used for actual troops, I don't believe the British would shy away from saying they're moving more troops to NATO's eastern flank... The Brits haven't shied way from really anything when it comes to Ukraine.
Look to me that you received information from someone in Poland with a heavy bias. 19 brigade is far from being operational. Even more, are 18 division artillery and antiaircraft regiments that simply do not exist. Claiming that 18 division is the strongest is so wrong. The most NATO division is 12, not 11. 12 division is assigned to NATO Multinational Corps Northeast. Transfer of Leopards 2 east was purely political - it came from politicians, not military commanders. Not all T-72 are M1s, assuming that is so common. Most of the export T-72 (not only in Poland) were brought to M1-like configuration, but levels of protection vary. Object 172M-E3 is not 172M-E5. 2nd brigade tank battalion has a mix of PT-91 and T-72, not just PT-91s 20th brigade tank battalion has (or had) T-72 not PT-91. The 232 PT-91 alow to equip less than 4 battalions (3 PT-91 battalions, and one mixed). Some tanks are assigned to a training center, but not all are available for active units. The "Wilk" and K2PL are pushed by the local defense industry and politicians, the military understood as military commanders don't want them. Polish Abrams won't have Trophy or CROWS-LP, but will have Duke IED jammer and outdated KEW-A1 antitank ammo, compared to Leopard 2 equipped with DM-63A1.
And at this moment Poland transferred around 230 T-72s to Ukraine details are unknown. PT-91s transfer to Ukraine eighter already started (as a part of those 230 vehicles) or is considered in near future. NATO is to help fill the gap after transfered vehicles. So we have a big shift in the polish tank force happening just now.
@@gdziewojsko co to jakies tajne plotki w komentach obcym rozsiewasz a wlasnym subskrybentom nie szepniesz pierw! Nie naciskam by nie zapeszac ale za dobrze to brzmi.
@@gdziewojsko But M1s will be certified to use DM-63... KEW-A1s are purchased to have ammo supply from the beginning. AND when new ammo from USA will be avaiable - we will buy it too. Trophy system also needs to be certified for SEPv3. Even in USA they still wait for this certification... And who knows - other companies are also working on hard-kill APS so maybe we will buy sth better than Trophy? First we need to focus on aqcuiring 250 M1s etc. Maybe in upcoming months/years more stuff will be purchased for them. And maybe more machines?
This is a reference to the 1st Armoured Division with WWII. The Division include 10th Armoured Cavalry Brigade (The patron of the brigade is Stanisław Maczek). 1st Armoured Division fought in France, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany in 1944-1945.
NATO is strong and we must keep it that way to prevent dictators like Putin to infringe on our freedom. As a canadian I strongly support Poland, the Baltics, Romania and all former USSR states.
Pretty sure Putin thinks we are infringing on his freedom keep arming every country that borders his with state of the art equipment. Not sure where your from, but how safe would you feel if China started sending loads of weapons to a country that borders yours? Have a look and see how the US responded to countries close to it being armed by Russia...... there are 2 sides to every story.
@@r200ti don't lie to yourself. He's only afraid he won't be able to bully neighbouring countries like Belarus, Georgia, Kazahkstan, Ukraine and all the others. Look how far the russian mentality got them. They live like shit, their educated people are emigrating and now they won't have an economy left if Puting keeps this up.
Poland will be one of the few countries to have both the Leopard and the Abrams (AND THE T-72). It'll be interesting to see how they tank the 3. The T-72 will rank bottom, of course, but it still gives them experience on operating any T-72 and T-90 they come across, and how to use/counter them. They would be useful in aggressor training.
@@SuperGeronimo999 Wow, if they really build the K2, that would really be a show to watch! I'm excited! Challenger 2, not so much... The ammo feed is different, and what are the Brits thinking when they don't have the tanks themselves... I guess at least the Poles can show us what is best when they purchase the next tanks...
"Poland acquires US built M1A2 Abrams tanks" Germany: Wtf? HANZ ZEEE POLISH HAVE AQUIRED NEW TANKKS!! Germany: "Releases new next generation Panther tank"
Australia has the M1 abram variant too. It keeps the gas turbine but ours use diesel as the tank fuel as it is capable of multifuel. Does the Leopard and PT-91 use diesel also and would the Polish forces use diesel in their Abrams to simplify logistics ?
The Leos and PT-91s all use diesel, as will the M1s in all likelihood. Fun fact: diesel (DF-2) was the primary fuel the AGT1500 turbine was designed around. Nevertheless neither fuel hurts the engine in any way, and using kerosene makes little sense for Poland, as the tanks are unlikely to inter-operate with helicopters all that much, and supply will be done ground-side in the vast majority of cases.
Its cool to see how quickly the world is changing. First the Poles future was the Abrams, and now it lies in the K2. You will have to do a redo of this video in a few months haha
in truth, nothing has changed, abrams continue for us to be the basis of armored troops, and k2pl as a complement. Yes we will have more k2PL, because of the speed of replenishment of the number we need + of course for economic reasons, but this does not change the fact that abrams will be the foundation of Poland's armored fist.
@@maxalbon9557 there will be 3x more K2 as Abrams eventually so it will change. While that transition goes on, Poland will divest all its soviet tanks and, possibly, its Leopards to simplify its logistics when K2 production gets up and running. Plus the Germans have been proved to be reluctant allies at times.
A very well done video, but I think you're missing a little point. The Abrams' arrival is the consequence of speeding up turn away from soviet legacy, and the weakness of german offering. Now that you've studied the structures, you are likely aware that compared to average NATO manouver brigades, the Polish Four has an anusually high ratio and numbers of tanks outside Heavy Armored Battalions. This is caused by the soviet legacy of BMP-1. Few people realize that 2A82 cannon of the BMP-1 has trouble hitting targets beyond 500 meter mark, and its large, slow-travelling round is strongly affected by wind. And despite adding 900+ modern wheeled APCs and IFVs - Patria AMV, known and built locally as Rosomak (Wolverine), there's still 1200+ BMP-1s left. Their replacement, the Borsuk (Badger), is arriving (LRIP stage) this year, but the deployment will still take time. To prop up the BMP-1 fleet, which is helpless against any opponent that has anything with decent range and punch, T72s were liberally mixed into the ranks. While the PT-91 modernization tried to retain T72 as a "proper tank", the most recent approach, T72M1R that has been in deliveries last 2 years, simply affirms that this machine is no longer really treated as Tank, but more as a STUG of sorts: a highly mobile, RELATIVELY well protected, HIGH firepower vehicle intended to support and oppose primarily APCs and IFVs such as BTR-82 or BMP-1AM Basurmanin, both sporting BPPU-1 turret with a 2A42 30mm cannon, which grants them immense fire range and effectivenes advantage over "vanilla" BMP-1s. The T72M1Rs have so far been delivered for ca.1 battalion, and a total of 160ish are slated for the programme, which leaves armor and primary weapon intact with 70s ammo (which is still MORE than enough for any BMP or BTR...), and instead focuses on 3Gen night vision, digital radio, and maintainability (engine equipment, suspension, transmission system). Now, if you take Poland's tank force in this context, its easy to understand that procurement of Leopard, and now Abrams, is simply a consequence of departure from soviet era hardware, and a sign of building more of NATO-style heavy manouver brigades. And why Abrams? Just add up the publically available figures on the Leopard2PL programme. A singular Leo2PL, despite cutting corners to keep costs down, already costs more than a fully rebuilt Abrams hull. Sure, in FMS that number will go up, but what you get is essentially a new tank; Leo2PLs undergo level 6 depot maintenance on TOP of the programme, and what you get is still a 20+ years old tank...
"The weakness of german offering" Hungary shows this is not more than the current govs lunacy. The same goes for K2PL. They are not able to provide decent skills in trading and dealing. Let alone on a high level.
@@HanSolo__ This is not true. Germans had most of the money paid up front in 2015. The tanks are STILL not there, and the price (and scope) kept increasing. F6 depot maintenance is paid for ON TOP of modernization price. German tanks are simply more expensive, and germans can't deliver in quantity and on time. By the way, Hungary is another proof germans can't deliver on time, even when producing new tanks.
@@tigerbesteverything True, but I'd consider this a bonus; a cherry on top. Everything else I stated, particularly the fact that germans can't deliver on time and for agreed price, is true, too.
You should do a video on the Canadian army’s complete lack of firepower. Less than 100 tanks, no man portable ATGM’s, less than 4 dozen pieces of heavy artillery, no brigade level SAM’s, no MANPADs whatsoever. Lots of people have criticized the Canadian government for not giving more military aid to Ukraine, but i honestly can’t blame them, there’s nothing to give, there isn’t enough equipment to even fully equip them active duty forces alone.
Hard to imagine Canada fighting a war where the US doesn't already establish air superiority so no anti-air is sort of logical. The primitive anti-tank weapons though has no excuse. Should be buying Israeli Spikes based on their performance in Karabakh.
@@Szweminek797 Considering we'll be fighting with you this time I suggest we switch to Winged Hussars to honor the occasion. Hasn't been too often after all.
Could you please made a more up to date video about polish forces? A lot has changed since 2022 and for example 18th mech div got their Abrams already. All the best and greetings from PL.
I think the Polish should double their order of M1 Abrams just to eliminate the Russian tanks and their turret tossing effect. The one big advantage of the turbine engine is cold weather starting when 10 degrees on down below zero, diesel fuel has issues in very cold weather. With the auxiliary power unit on the M1’s fuel consumption is improved.
@Jason lack of proper tactics will get any tank destroyed look at the Russians tactics with better tanks getting beat by old tanks of Ukraine because of better tactics. A tank by its self is just a big target. A tank used with combined arms is a weapon. Also if a tank doesn’t have a slat type cage system or anti missile defense systems like the new tank they are talking about any tank is going to have a bad day.
@Jason operating in -50 degree weather in trucks is done by never shutting them down , block heaters are sometimes not sufficient in cold weather if the engine is allowed to lose all heat over to a long period of time. Research how they operate in Antarctica. Running a 12 cyl diesel tank engine in extreme cold weather gives your position away. Trying to start a big diesel in -50 degree weather will take some kind of luck because your batteries will be froze or not optimal. You obviously never done any military cold weather training and are just talking out of your a_s.
Polish language doesn't use "v", our W reads as english V, and our Ł (slashed L) as English W So the tank was TVARDY - hard You pronounced Wilk property like Vilk - wolf
Never thought abt this acc...great video as always. I thought it was really interesting how Poland is the first country in Europe to use the Abrams. i thought that the English or the Baltic states would use them. Love the content, keep it up!!!
You can by what ever weapons like tanks you want. If you do not have the people who have the training but above all the moral to fight a just cause, then better not buying such expensive weapons. In the case of Poland it is NOT. In my country they did not forgot Polish soldiers were the one who liberated us from the Nazi's. My country, late but still did, gave a Polish General and his regiment the HIGHEST military order there is. The Polish soldiers were known as THE BEST OF THE BEST. Give those Polish soldiers the weapons..................and you have the best army you can wish for.
Status for August 1st:
- all capable T-72M1 and M1Z are in Ukraine
- unspecified number of PT-91's is in Ukraine, rest will be sent when replacement tanks come
- additional 116 M1A1SA will arrive in 2023, later to be upgraded to SEPv3
- 200 K2 from ROK army reserves bought to fill the gap left by PT-91's planed to be sent to Ukraine, later to be upgraded to K2PL standard if possible
- planed production of 800+ K2PL to rebuild armored force from before the peacetime reduction and retirement of all remaining Leopard 2's
- frame agreements signed for various purchases from Koreans, development and further production of K2PL
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 why? Ukrainian katsap removal bussiness is doing fine and chared corpses of ru**ian tankers are great suplement to diet of local dogs. Since it came out that so called 'second army in the world' is in fact second, but not in the world but in Ukraine, sending some equipment and ammo is more than enough to kick their ass and in near future completely collapse this terrorist state called ru**ia. Oh! And be sure to ask your boys if they enjoy being cut off on the west bank of Dnipro xD
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 And you saw the burned tanks of the Russian fascists?
this video got obsolete pretty quickly :D
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 What a sad excuse of a human being you are. You probably aren’t capable of shame, but you should be ashamed of yourself.
@@ninjagamers2659 have you seen the thousands of ukrainian corpses?
Most of the T72 in poland have disappeared in there storage units I wonder were they went
Would be ashamed if it were in a warzone somewhere
Russia: "Ehi Poland why are a hundred t72s missing from your reserves?"
Poland: "Whoopsie I had parked them on the border and someone stole them, I'm sorry there is literally nothing I can do about that"
I heard they are migrating to Eastern Ukraine for the spring and in the summer they will continue their migration into southern Russia
Special Missing Tanks Operation
"Strange,the warehouses are empty"
I love seeing Abrams tanks in their natural woodland camo scheme and Central/Eastern European habitats, after so many years in the deserts. Nature is healing!
It was actually really weird seeing those in green. I've really only ever seen them in the desert camo. Granted one of my earliest memories is the news on the Invasion of Iraq.
I got a lighter the other day that has the desert yellow camo on it lol I still think it looked cool
Now imagine them rolling together with Challengers, T72M1 and Leo2 in battle formation. Thats a sight.
Life always find the way...
Are Abrams's stationed in northern US wooded states green or not?
American here, long live Poland for all fucking time. Polish history and there struggle cut me deep, how we had to betray them to the Soviets due to nuclear doctrines... Hope we can make up for that with our assistance. Niech zyje Polska!
Polska!
That's nice to hear, thanks, however gotta point out that the Soviets didn't have any nuclear weapons until 1949 and the USSR was quite weak in 1945 so the reasons for that betrayal are still a bit unclear to me
@TheBucketSkill long live America! thanks for what you guys are doing for us, I doubt soviets would stop if in Ukraine if they thought USA has abandonned us. 82nd Airborne is stationed in my hometown:) Hopefully USA will stay in Europe, US is our only ally that can be trusted. All the best American Bro:)
@@mateuszkajdan8912 You could say we betrayed what we said we stood for, and that we should of came to Poland's defense no matter what. But ultimately the true betrayal of Poland lies with France and Britain. In writing, in so many instances they were the one's who fed you false promises. America is a nobody country outside of Europe at the time of 1939. Our military was smaller weaker less technological version of France. No much we could do, but that's changed so much...
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I loved serving with the Poles on NATO exercises in Germany. Really enthusiastic troops who really wanted to be as involved as possible in NATO. They'll make really good use of Abrams tanks.
If the poles are known for any one thing it’s hating the Russians with every fiber of their country and doing everything possible to protect themselves from said Russians
Thanks bro! Nice to have you on our side
Greetings from the PL Western Wall :)
poland being poland, if hitler didnt dislike them so much they would have fought on the nazi side....
Yeah, lets die all together in a nuclear war!
It is so important having Poland in Nato
Great to see a strong Poland. While many have forgotten the cry of “Never Again”. Recent events has shown that Poland hasn’t forgotten. Much respect from this American to 🇵🇱!!!
And much respect to you Sir! Thank you for your support!!
Press the funny button already
Thank you. Bit bitter, cause for years we have been SHOUTING that Russia is an enemy of the free world and is only waiting to attack! But to no avail. It turned out that Poles were not lunatic Russophobes but realists. It is a great pity that, after Auschwitz (read about Pilecki report), it must have happened again. Greetings from Poland.
Never again!
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@@Ross72A edgy little nazy
It is very good news that our friends in Poland keep getting stronger.
Greetings from Hungary.
Hungary 🇭🇺 is as always a proven brotherhood in progress
It can only get better When Poland needed You - You were there 🇵🇱 🇭🇺
@@TB-bb6kb just hope they can get rid of Orban!
The amount of detail and lengths you go to for a video under 10 mins is insane! Keep up the amazing work!! 🙏🏻
Downvoted because did not really answer the question in the title.
@@peterc.1419 If you watched the video you would know it will replace the older tanks.
@@anonymoususer3561 I watched the video, but to know this, you would not need to watch this video. I expected a more technical explanation my boy. Where do you think the T-72 tanks Ukraine got from Poland (at least 200) came from?
Yes, he is good at it.
Why the 10 minute limit? It does make the video edit time shorter, but leaves us with very short clips. Very good piece, but the audio is annoying and may as well be played backward.
FAQ:
1. Poland is sending Ukraine about 200 T-72M1s. We held off on mentioning this because it’s unclear how many will come from storage, but it’s possible this means Poland is dumping all of its unupgraded T-72M1s.
2. Poland will not have Challenger 2s. If Britain sends over Chalengers to fill the gap of T-72s, they will be manned by Brits. It’s be akin to an increased NATO presence to make up for decreased national tank capacity.
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Nice thanks 🙏 great video can you do something about the USMC
very interesting, could you, in the light of the French trend you've had for these past weeks, cover french tank battalions as well as support, covering amx10s and VBCI's but also cover the new EBRC Jaguar and perhaps cover the scorpion program
anyone any idea if the abrams will have the ceramic armor or if they will be export models?
Can u explain T-90 is useless in ukraine war??
PT-91 Twardy is better equipped than it seems and crewed with highly skilled soldiers that can get the most out of this AFV. Half of these are, rebuilt T-72M1, and the other half is the wider and better-constructed platform. The latest improvements consist of 3-gen thermal cameras and passive IR vision, better APFSDS munition, modern APS of the soft-kill type, and a more than decent ERA array. The vehicle is fully hunter-killer tactics capable.
one thing, Poland don have t72 somebody stole them, the police were notified, first it was said that 100 were missing, now it is said that all functional ones are missing about 180. In addition, thieves stole tons of ammunition and modern thermal imaging equipment for these tanks. the search continues
i heard some rumors about who could be the thieves
Heard they were last seen in Ukraine but I don’t be live it’s true😉
More like 'Robin Hooded' to where they're needed most. 😌
Co Ty pierdolisz debilu??? Nie uzywaj gnojku mojego nazwiska!
Oh boy! I hope they find them
I've said it just about everywhere I've seen Poland's purchase of Abrams being discussed and I'll say it here.
There needs to be the option to buy a set of wings for each vehicle.
As for the purchase itself, it does make sense for the Poles to learn how to drive Leopards, Abrams, and T-72s. Learn your allies' tanks and learn your enemy's tanks.
Ye can mount those on the tover, ye?
There’s speculation that we will keep some of pt-91 that are in best shape for future op-for style unit
When it comes to hussar wings:2-3 years ago our def-minister described m1’s as closest thing in modern equipment to winged hussars. Propably back then this time was designated as “emergency procurement tank” if all other programs fail to materialise in requested noumbers.
That also suggests return to our favourite historical strategy: heavy altilery guarded by small noumbers of heavy infantry and stealing focus from all other units while light infantry softens enemy main force tiering them out for days in preparation for all penetrating- unstoppable cavalry push. Just like glory days.
Like that one ukraine farmer said
-Littery that one farmer with BMP2 and T72
"Mount a set of wings for each vehicle" Yes. All of my yes.
@@METALandFumasu I do believe that the Polish Armed Forces (at least some) use the winged hussars' symbolic painted on the tanks or in brigade emblems, plus the Polish coat of arms with the white eagle is to be seen on the tanks too.
You can pronounce "Twardy" With V like in "Very", so it will be Closer to proper polish pronounciation. Twardy could mean hard, unbreakable or vigorous. Probably all could work
V in Very is hard, when you saying Twardy you turning this "W" (V) into soft word, like "F".
And yes, Twardy means Hard.
Who cares?
@@worldoftancraft its not white men club, stfu. Im Brazilian and i dont know how to say words in polish .Another thing english is his main language, so not his fault.
@@halfmaul2095 Or "Tough".
@@Tom_K no, tough is odważny in Polish, same thing as brave.
If anyones wondering why we have so many tanks models - that's because the most of leopards were bought in a one time ocassion so to say, tanks + Migs in a pack, and since then there simply wasnt anything similar. That's the reason why we have leopard 2 ver 4 and 5 - the 4's are from that mass purchase and are being improved where the 5's are the later ones. I dont think there is a great leopard market right now, since the german army needs them badly to recover from years of funds cut.
Going further PT91 isn't just a variant of t-72, more like improved platform, that still use enough similar parts not to stretch logistics too much. It was made before leopards purchase, since we saw our t-72 as not ideal but couldnt just buy new tanks back then. The PT-91 have much more modernisation potential, do you can say they are ours "first candidate" in any new tank upgarde programs.
And to the Abrams - they are mostly a politically driven decision, to tighten ties with USA. Since they are a big burden on logistic as a totally new MBT type.
Big part in this all is played by the changing directions for Polish forces dependent on who wins elections. That's why we have many sources of tank forces.
The left-center is more pro smaller elite army with a ton (up to a milion) reserve and territorial deffence units, and dont have too much love for tanks, just some modernisation pack + going the ifv/apc way instead, mostly german wehicles (so basically less spending now, to have more cash for future army reconstruction) where the hard libertarians with "right" wing (its complicated but the right guys ofthen are more left than the so called left and put deal with some radical-ish right to keep the face in front of voters) are more about large professional army with wide tanks modernisation programs and much equipment from USA, including new wehicles, even if they are coming out as quite expensive.
Yep, politics is saddleing the polish army with a hodgepodge of gear and a complicated logistics train. Ideally what is needed is a large professional army with homogenized equipment, preferably with a domestic manufacturing contract or indeginously built. Abrams isn't a bad choice but personally given the geopolitics I would have gone with more leopards.
Your memory is failing you. It was the Germans that pushed their influence to get us to buy the Leopard 2. We went to them to buy the MiG-29G from Luftwaffe. They said no problem, they are 1euro each. So we asked what is the catch. They told us to buy 100 Leopards 2. I was in the army when it happened.
@@GutkowskiMarek then looks like i mixed it with a later plan to buy more leopards, still i dont think we were the only ones interested since they were ready to add migs for 1euro.
But dont we have much more than 100 ? At least that's what oficcial data shows
@@mateuszk3812 We got 142 the first time around all of them A4 from late 1980s. then we got the second batch of 104A5 and 14 additional A4. Back in that time frame, Germans had more Leo 2 that they knew what to do with.
They would give out the things in food aid programs if you would let them.
All of them were second-hand. If they were factory new we would have Leo 2A7 The things are still in production.
Besides - if it's true that military itself is in bad shape - won't such investment be in vein? If regular soldiers can't even achieve simple equipment - basically parts for their uniforms ( according 2 some interviews i watched recently).
When I was in Poland with the tank units they had integrated a troop carrier that the polish lady said was called the wolverine.
Shit made me jealous as a medic, 360 degree exterior cameras, 4 stretchers with room for more, and you could walk down they aisle without hitting shit. God the m113 is such ass, I hated working in that thing
It is a Patria version called the "Rosomak".
Yea. The M113 should have been completely ditched when the Stryker came out. There is nothing an 113 does better. Less speed, less armor, less situational awareness. The 113 is total crap.
And don’t tell me off road maneuverability. Damn thing will just throw a track or sheer a drive sprocket off.
Yea they introduced it after the high command realised that even Iraqi rebels with light weaponry were obliterating our troop transports.
She told you right. And Poles love these things. They saved many Poles in the Middle East and Afganistan and are beloved among people within the country.
@@bertm8621 Correct, btw "rosomak" is polish for "wolverine" ;)
The Polish armour corps must have very interesting perspective on the relative strengths and weaknesses of T 72s, Leopards and Abrams tanks.
I reckon they know their T-72M1s are pretty trash. There are people who will defend the PT-91 since it is their indigenous upgrade (although it's not unlike late 80s or 90s Russian T-72B upgrades which we acknowledge are not that great). The reason they still have them in service is likely because of budgetary constraints (can't afford to replace their entire tank force at once) and limits to domestic production, rather than it being tactically a better decision to keep T-72s around. Probably why they seem so keen recently to dump their T-72s and, potentially, PT-91s on Ukraine in exchange for increased NATO commitments in Poland.
@@BattleOrder Being honest PT-91 isn't just some "new model" of T-72, the main goal was to provide army with better modernisation platform, and as far as i know it have many improved or additional systems together with some construction changes when compared to the T-72 B. Not to say it is still a subject to ofthen but smaller improvements, so i dont think that calling it similar to T-72 B is accurate representation. Especially since its long-term potential to be upgraded with PT-16 / PT-17 program is greater from what T-72 can offer (mainly thanks to bigger turret and other production changes).
Still, i have to agree that tank have its age and design compromises that should be adressed in near future.
There are no strengths of t72 beside weight and small size.
@@Shchetchynianin You forgot low cost. I don't just mean that they are cheap now because so many were made and several armies are phasing them out, but that they were *designed* with economy in mind.
@@BattleOrder Exactly. PT-91 were stopgap sollution, and the Leopard 2 was chosen as replacement. When I heard about purchese of M1 from US I was sceptical. Its great tank, but We dont need another type of tank in supply chain. But then as war in Ukraine progress I realise one thing. Germany is not very fond of selling weapons to countries engaged in war with Russia. And that means Leopard 2 is no longer safe choice.
I've been into Polish Army since 2014, and man, even I have problems with clearing this shitstorm in my mind, and you are the foreigner without knowledge of polish language. That's why I have the authority to truly appreciate your hard work, that you had to commit to show that clearly. Also, I am happy you didn't comment the logistics of that - no commentary needed ;) When every division will have only 1 tank type it will be acceptible, until them - just don't think about it :D
+But you could add, that 150-250 T-72 suddenly dissapeard, and somehow somebody started using T-72s, they could probably buy them in any T-72 store ;) And now there is a chance to fill the gap with Leo 2s from Rheinmetall and KMW storage, and that would be good (but germans are too venomous to allow that, I mean the politicians)
The reason why PT-91s are next to Lithuania is because there is a lot of water there, in Mazuria, lakes and mud, and those tanks are the lightest. Abrams are on the right side of VIstula river you know why (70 tones, too heavy for our bridges, even the military ones).
Anyway, great material
More polish modernization programs waiting for you out here ;)
But wait a little bit cause we have a new modernization law and everything is mess
I didn't realize the M1's would be too heavy for most bridges even after WW2 reconstruction, but it makes sense on second thought. I imagine during Warsaw Pact days, any new bridges would be designed with the lighter T-72 in mind. As I watched the video the thought that the Polish reserve tank force should conduct river crossing training (finding and marking the best ford points for rivers at different times of years) at least 2 times a year came to mind.
Then Poland really has to strengthen its Vistula bridges and general road infrastructure for the Abrams. Lest in a hot war the Abrams end up in a "use them or lose them" situation.
Thanks for that last bit of info, I was like why on Earth don't you have your best tanks next to the main danger zone of Kaliningrad and Belarus with the vital gap border with Lithuania, that explains it.
The Germans are refusing to sell Leo to Poland? That would be New to me. In fact, as far as I know, the Polish government decided for the M1 instead of the Leo after the usual trials.
Yeah. Its worth of mention that BWP-1 will be replaced by BWP Borsuk that is in end stage of development right now. Project have started in 2013 and as of last week four prototypes were ordered for frist real field tests, in adition for one that already egsisting. Order for serial vehicals (depending on army test resoults) will probibly be placed in mid 2023 whit at least 588 unit in based IFV version expected to be deliverd up to 2035. That number is likly to changed. Production of 50 IFV variant was expected before war in Ukraine. Now however more and more officials are saying that it will be arund 100 pices of base variant IFV yearly...
No it wasn't
@@franek.97 again no decision on that subject have been made. In LPG is not well suited for most specialized varinats.
@@franek.97 Regina=/= mech battalions. Besides most of the specialized variants will require swimming capability(among other things) which LPG can't provide
@@norbi1411 Actually you right, just checked and straghtend some things.
@@norbi1411 The floating capability ruined the IFV Borsuk program. This requirement was there, so none of the European tracked IFV could offer anything to counter the Borsuk. Now they say there will be a Heavy Borsuk variant. It's impossible to protect this large lower front hull plate to a satisfactory standard. Today a future proof standard is present only in 1 vehicle. That is the Puma. The order for the Borsuk should limit to 300-400 pieces of floating IFV, and the Heavy IFV should be either Rheinmetall Lynx KF41 or the Hanwha AS 21, similar to the Redback version. Both with a heavy Explosive Reactive Armor array in the front to reach Puma's level of protection.
Fielding so many different models of tanks must be a logistical nightmare.
Just imagine all the different incompatible spare parts are in their workshops.
Keeping all those different tanks moving would be a herculean effort.
Would you prefer to struggle with maintenance of various tank models or have no fairly modern tanks and Tsar Putin on your border?
@@jimmiller5600 they could have purchased new Leopard, Arbams and Leo performance are very similar.
@@roadrunner6224 I agree they're comparable, the difference is availability. The first 28 M1s will arrive mid-2022. Germany's production capability is limited and currently full of orders from the Bundeswehr.
@@jimmiller5600 but it won't be Abrams SepV3. As it comes to Leopard 2, according to Norwegian competition first newly build tanks would arrive two years after signing the contract, which is basically the same time.
While logistically it is problematic It also has certain benefits.
Various tanks have different strong and weak points. Having a mix of various tanks allows you to use better suited tank for the operation.
On top of that, I recently watched a video where crewman of currently Leopard 2 was explaining a lot and he underlined one important thing. Fact that he was first operating in T72, now Leopard and will most likely be moved onto Abrams once they arrive gives him incredible amount of knowledge about strengths and weaknesses of all those tanks and he got to experience those first hand.
Thank you for going through how each level of organization gets larger while still keeping the smaller units in mind. This makes it much easier to follow for keeping track of how much manpower and how many vehicles there are without feeling like you're reading (or trying to read) the MCRP.
After reviewing the previous video, I think the difference between this one and the last is that in this one you seem to cover units which are attached to the main force as you go up rather than in the previous video where you seem to review the main force going up in size and then go down in size for the attached units before going back up for the next highest level of main forces.
Perhaps this is due to the semi ad-hoc nature of the subject in the previous video vs the more formal subject in this video, but if it is possible to copy the structure in this video going forward, then I'm sure it would be well received.
Also, good job on maintaining a visual continuity when moving between levels of organization, such as between tank battalions and brigades.
Great to see the 11th armored cav still has the Wings on its standard. Winged Hussars were nasty customers.
The visuals and the proper use of map symbols is amazing! Keep up the good work these are super educational and entertaining to watch, not an easy feat to have both
Holy cow. Now this is what I call a quality analysis. Amazing work Battle Order.
Spoke to some Polish tankies during a range package and got eyes on their Twardy tank, and let me just say they are very excited to be getting the Abrams and I can see why. Good guys too, it was good chatting to them.
Be careful throwing around the word "Tankie" you might give people the wrong idea
@@jagar5580 Then they're idiots because the context is pretty clear here.
Yes it is often used as a term for communists
@@Silent_Speaker I'm not changing up army slang because of dirty Commies
bro I fucking love your thumbnails dude keep em comin!
Wish to see more content about central Europe militaries.
This video said all there is to say about central Europe militaries. There are some details about who has obsolete soviet weapons and who has obsolete western weapons but it's not that interesting.
Generally saying: they are not really ready for war with mix of old and modernised communist era equipment and old and new western equipment but they are going through frantic modernisation right now. Since 2015 there has been a lot of pressure to get ready for Russian aggression but this pressure has been mostly successful in Baltics and Poland. For example Czechia (where I am from and where I am most knowledgeable about) has three main maneuver units, the 7th mechanised brigade, 4th rapid response brigade and the 43th paratrooper battalion. The 4th rapid response brigade is armed with Pandur II wheeled IFVs and LOV Iveco infantry mobility vehicles, pretty modern, but the 7th mechanised brigade has one tank company of 30 T-72M4CZ which are basically a Twardy equivalent (but the programme was a costly failure in money terms) and 3 mechanised companies of BVP-2 (a Czechoslovak BMP-2 version), so one brigade is fairly modern, the other is helplessly obsolete. Sadly the new tracked IFV programme is in shambles due to COVID and a change in government (the previous government deliberately sabotaged the programme in their final weeks to make the new one look bad) but there might be a creative solution for it because we really need those. There has been a lot of talk about buying Abrams to replace the T-72s but nothing final. The paratroopers are mounted on Land Rovers and they want to get new vehicles (maybe JLTVs among others). Every other central european army is in a similar state or worse. Only Hungarians might be doing better but well... I wouldn't rely on Hungarians fighting on the side of NATO if push comes to shove.
Do a video about general modernization of Polish army. Got a few interesting programs in the oven with regard to heavy armour, IFV, air / missile defense modernization and navy modernization. Next decade will drastically transform the PL fighting force.
I love the 11th Cav's symbol - the Winged Hussar. Throwback to one of the elite heavy horse cavalry of the 15-1700's. Oh, and the subject of a Sabaton song...
It's basically a logo of 1st polish armour regiment during ww2, look it up. Have history on their own
@@juliuszkocinski7478 long lineage of strong service!
The Polish are wonderful hosts and it is a great country to visit!
Good to see both the Polish upgrading their own tank forces, and putting the ones they're retiring to good use.
Love to see a strong Poland. One of our best allies in Europe and the frontline of NATO.
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 don't take drugs mate.
@@oranje-vrystaat3182 you are just throwing around non-related things. So far, the only country that said anything about using nuclear weapons are russian lunatics like putin, lawrow and some random 3rd class politicians like miediediew. Nuclear weapons are the only thing that keeps this oil company in one piece. Without it, this war would either never happen, or russia would be partitioned by now.
Great job, I don't think anyone in PL YT even done so good and info loaded video about our armored forces. Give us more!
"Gdzie zaczyna sie wojsko..." did this but only in Polish.
@@HanSolo__ So I missed that one.
Former Abrams Commander here, I was totally unaware of this! These are basically a heavily armed insurance policy for Europe. I can't wait to watch a Polish Gunnery and see how different it is from ours! I'm so excited for you, Poland! The Russians are absolutely terrified of the Abrams specifically. This is going to be a huge deal for GDLS, their current manufacturer.
Poland should attach the Hussar wings to its tanks! The winged Hussars are by far the coolest cavalry in history.
Man i so satisfied that a find your channel today. I am proceeding to watch all you videos, please make more videos about poland!
This level of analysis is Top-Shelf. Well done, thanks.
As far as I know, Leopard 2s are also planned to be withdrawn from active service in the Polish Army by a winner of the Wilk Program. Instead, Leopards will be placed in strategic reserve.
The first change will be logistics. That begs the question if the Polish military can support the use, repair, and training of their M1 Abrams units.
repair and training = included in price, the support is a different story it requires a different doctrine
not really. Polish Army will have to rely extensively on US Army logistical chain, at least during the early period
Better suited than other operators who have little to no industry capable of building tanks/parts.
M1 is pretty easy to maintain, as long as you have spares.
@@norbi1411 i read a few papers about it. Acctually Poland is planning to build one or two service and upgrade centers and this is fully suported by USA. Now with growing contingent in Europe cost of transport US m1's back to america to intensive service or rebuild is really high and only transport by sea takes months. So US Army plans to rebuild their Abrams in Europe probably in Poland thanks to that new contract. Logisticlly it makes sence.
I think variety is always a good thing. The more diverse the tanks are at your disposal, the more difficult it is for the enemy to formulate a plan against it. Of course, there are always negatives to this, like procuring parts for all those different kinds of tanks for the purpose of repairing & fixing damaged ones.
Always pay attention and respect Poland's position on world stability and military action in Eastern Europe. They saw first hand in World War 2 what war brings and then spent the next several decades subjugated by their "rescuers/ally" in the Soviets. They know from experience about the Russians and war in general. That's why their strong support for Ukraine makes its obvious which side is the right one.
love finding a new chan with good, direct and informative content - keep up the good work!
Best battle order thumbnail in history.
Logistic challenges, yes.
In exchange, most tank commanders have experience in operating 2 different MBT platforms, some even 4 and they are often participating in the international exercises.
Opportunities for development of national tank tactics, deep knowledge of strong and week aspects of many tanks (on the battlefield and in exploitation). That's advantage.
I would love to live in Poland for a few years. They have had a horrible history due to outside threats, but always get back up again. Even after the UK and France turned their back on them.
Poland also has a history of being a top dog in the hood. And not really because of conquests but rather unions, attractive culture, religious tolerance, elective monarchy and deeply rooted parliamentarism.
it is over - they should face the present and not the past.
Its how we get up - thats Matters !!!
@@minimax9452 I'm sure you love to harp on bad aspects of Americas past though huh? Europeans like to pretend as though their history is spotless....
That's a lot of different models to maintain.
Nice Video 👍
I went to do some tank training with the polish in Latvia. Those guys are savage in a good way.
Very interesting and a great video, as always!
I remember when the PL-01 was a thing a couple years ago, some people even thought it was capable of fighting the armata XD even though it was just a mock up based on the CV90120. I believe the project was most likely cancelled considering theres no news about it.
Armata is parade propaganda piece. Not a real rolled out and produced tank.
Its not like the T-14 exists except for a couple of test objects
@@jak00bspyr72 Yes, it exist for parades.
@@zawiszaczarny7876 Well yeah, PL01 existed to a similar extent, it could move aswell.
@@jak00bspyr72 Pl was a show off for the Polosh industry posibilities, armata is a show off for Russian technologic progress, both illusions.
This was a fantastically presented video!
Glad you liked it!
i was at the training area with armored cav, mostly handing out fuel, but both the us and polish took it pretty seriously. it was a cool sight to see. i was back at the barracks a few miles away the next day during the live fire and there was constant booms for hours.
our colonel gave me a coin, and the polish 4 star general gave me one too during the AAR.
Nice. Yes, guys run out of training ammo like no tomorrow. The PT-91 needs skilled crews to perform with the old platform.
do more material about Polish armed forces. please
It will be really badass to see M1 Abram tanks with Polish emblems, excellent tank choice by Poland in my opinion.
Naród polski przeszedł w historii wiele trudności. Bardzo ich podziwiam za odwagę i męstwo. Miłość z Kanady.
Love from Poland! Stay safe.
Great video thanks.
Poland must have a large military budget.
Long live Sobeiski!
With logistics, maintenance know-how and existing infrastructure in mind, Leo 2A5/6/7 would be better choice for PL than M1 but... Germany refused to sell more Leos 2, Germany and France also refused Poland participation in new European MBT project... so Poland had to seek alternatives.
That being said, M1 SEP3 is very capable machine. I wonder how good could be data linking between M1, F-35, F-16 and (potentially) AH-1Z.
Germany refused to sell Leo 2 to a Nato Partner - you are kidding?
I find it so weird the poland has 3 different tanks in service and even more variants, instead of just standardizing on one tank and slowly phasing out there t72/PT91s with leopard 2s
That's because the most of leopards were bought in a one time ocassion so to say, if i remember correctly we have to really pull our influence to get them since many countries were intrested in it, and since then there simply wasnt anything similar. That's the reason why we have leopard 2 ver 4 and 5 - the 4's are from that mass purchase and are being improved where the 5's are the later ones. I dont think there is a great leopard market right nie since the german army needs them badly to recover from years of funds cut.
Going further PT91 isn't a variant of t-72, more like improved platform, that still use enough similar parts not to stretch logistics too much. It was made before leopards purchase, since we saw our t-72 as not ideal but couldnt just buy new tanks back then. The PT-91 have much more modernisation potential, do you can say they are ours "first candidate" in any new tank upgarde programs.
And to the Abrams - they are mostly a politically driven decision, to tighten ties with USA.
Supposedly it was for tactical cohesion with their allies, like, having leopards closer to the Germans, since if they need support the Germans would use practically the same tank, same with the Abrams and US, the T-72 and Romania etc. which makes some sense, but makes it looks like Poland is a international military outpost, and I said supposedly because of that, since those choices probably were lobby centered, not internal itself.
Bad neighborhood. Ask Ukraine about it. Or Georgia.
@@Rrgr5 The military was underfunded for many years. The current plan is to unify to a maximum of two types. The favorite is the M1A2 for the 18th Armored Division and the K2PL for the rest.
that's the reality of having a big army. just look at the greeks, south koreans or turks
The PT91 Twardy is a much better tank then the T72B. It has much more modern fire control systems and better sights.
Yep, apparently the PT-91 thermal sights are comparable or even better than those of Leopard 2A5
The problem is that it has T-72M1's cannon and armour. It may have fancy electronics, but its protection and firepower are inferior even to the oldest Russian tanks in service.
T-72B with Kontakt 5 offers between 690 and 800mm of protection against APFSDS ammo and between 940 and 1180 mm against HEAT.
The best ammo available for Pt-91 can penetrate 550mm of armour - so it just might destroy a T-72B with Kontakt1, but it's useless against a T-72B with Kontakt5.
T-72B, on the other hand, can easily destroy PT-91's armour.
This means that thanks to the better sights and fire control systems, the PT-91 will hit the T-72B first - but it probably won't do much damage. Then it will get destroyed when T-72B returns fire.
No matter how many modern upgrades you stick on T-72M1, its weak armour and inferior gun mean that it won't be able to compete with even the oldest T-72Bs. Sad but true.
@@igorbednarski8048 Yeah, I would say that lack of good ammo and cannon improvements are a bigger issue than lack of protection.
Although we have to keep in mind that most of the time when MBT is knocked out of action it is usually when it got hit from the flank rather than the front. In such a case, even the inferior gun of Pt-91 or T-72M1R will do the trick.
Still, though, it means that T series tanks in Polish service can hardly be used in other roles than defending entrenched positions or conducting ambushes.
Great stuff as usual. Can you please also breakdown NATO's Multinational Corps Northeast and in particular - enhanced forward presence groups in the Baltic region? Thank you for an awesome content.
Don't forget about the challengers. About 3 days ago the British announced that they plan to provide Poland with Challenger 2's to supplement the transfer of T72's and possibly some Twardy's to Ukraine.
An armored brigade is to arrive. Tanks with British crews. They'll be here until Polish the Abrams arrive... that is, a few years... 😊
@@PanProper Most of the articles provided don't state an additional deployment of British regiments or brigades to Poland, but a full transfer of Challenger 2's from British stock. I mean there are dozens of articles confirming this. Though it could be intentional to throw the Russians off.
@@deviousdude4162 Those articles were wrong.
@@Vengir Any source to back that? Or just a 'trust me bro' type of deal? Im open info, but don't tell me it's wrong without showing me. As far as Ive seen, there's no need for more British regiments in Poland, the US already has a plus'd up ACB deployed on top of the 2CR and the 101st NRRF. So I doubt the need is more presence, but instead to supplement inventory loss. Again, I'm open to any info to the contrary.
@@Vengir 'Fill-Gap' is a term used for replacing lost equipment. 'Deployment' is generally the term used for actual troops, I don't believe the British would shy away from saying they're moving more troops to NATO's eastern flank... The Brits haven't shied way from really anything when it comes to Ukraine.
One of the best channels I've seen of its kind. Love your style and content.
I have really much enjoyed your graphics. Amazing animations too.
Look to me that you received information from someone in Poland with a heavy bias.
19 brigade is far from being operational. Even more, are 18 division artillery and antiaircraft regiments that simply do not exist. Claiming that 18 division is the strongest is so wrong.
The most NATO division is 12, not 11. 12 division is assigned to NATO Multinational Corps Northeast.
Transfer of Leopards 2 east was purely political - it came from politicians, not military commanders.
Not all T-72 are M1s, assuming that is so common. Most of the export T-72 (not only in Poland) were brought to M1-like configuration, but levels of protection vary. Object 172M-E3 is not 172M-E5.
2nd brigade tank battalion has a mix of PT-91 and T-72, not just PT-91s
20th brigade tank battalion has (or had) T-72 not PT-91.
The 232 PT-91 alow to equip less than 4 battalions (3 PT-91 battalions, and one mixed). Some tanks are assigned to a training center, but not all are available for active units.
The "Wilk" and K2PL are pushed by the local defense industry and politicians, the military understood as military commanders don't want them.
Polish Abrams won't have Trophy or CROWS-LP, but will have Duke IED jammer and outdated KEW-A1 antitank ammo, compared to Leopard 2 equipped with DM-63A1.
And at this moment Poland transferred around 230 T-72s to Ukraine details are unknown. PT-91s transfer to Ukraine eighter already started (as a part of those 230 vehicles) or is considered in near future. NATO is to help fill the gap after transfered vehicles. So we have a big shift in the polish tank force happening just now.
Hi :)
@@gdziewojsko co to jakies tajne plotki w komentach obcym rozsiewasz a wlasnym subskrybentom nie szepniesz pierw! Nie naciskam by nie zapeszac ale za dobrze to brzmi.
@@gdziewojsko But M1s will be certified to use DM-63... KEW-A1s are purchased to have ammo supply from the beginning. AND when new ammo from USA will be avaiable - we will buy it too.
Trophy system also needs to be certified for SEPv3. Even in USA they still wait for this certification... And who knows - other companies are also working on hard-kill APS so maybe we will buy sth better than Trophy?
First we need to focus on aqcuiring 250 M1s etc. Maybe in upcoming months/years more stuff will be purchased for them. And maybe more machines?
@@gdziewojsko No właśnie zamiast dbać o rzesze oddanych Ci słuchaczy ,
marnujesz swój czas na buszowanie po internecie.!!!!!!!
The 11th Cav is sporting serious historic badging.
All of them do.
11 cav. Winged Hussars. 👍 from the time of Jan Sobieski.
This is a reference to the 1st Armoured Division with WWII. The Division include 10th Armoured Cavalry Brigade (The patron of the brigade is Stanisław Maczek). 1st Armoured Division fought in France, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany in 1944-1945.
Most wonderful video about Poland 🇵🇱 tanks divisions and their defense arrangement with recently Abrams exists...thanks for sharing
Some polish-english translation:
Wilk - wolf
Pt-91 "twardy"- pt-91 "the tough one"
NATO is strong and we must keep it that way to prevent dictators like Putin to infringe on our freedom. As a canadian I strongly support Poland, the Baltics, Romania and all former USSR states.
Pretty sure Putin thinks we are infringing on his freedom keep arming every country that borders his with state of the art equipment. Not sure where your from, but how safe would you feel if China started sending loads of weapons to a country that borders yours? Have a look and see how the US responded to countries close to it being armed by Russia...... there are 2 sides to every story.
@@r200ti don't lie to yourself. He's only afraid he won't be able to bully neighbouring countries like Belarus, Georgia, Kazahkstan, Ukraine and all the others. Look how far the russian mentality got them. They live like shit, their educated people are emigrating and now they won't have an economy left if Puting keeps this up.
Thanks mate!
nato is a joke ask the taliban
No one is invincible with kinjal flies into an army camp
We replace Star 266M with modern local Jelcz P442 Bartek utility truck
*started replacing
Poland will be one of the few countries to have both the Leopard and the Abrams (AND THE T-72). It'll be interesting to see how they tank the 3.
The T-72 will rank bottom, of course, but it still gives them experience on operating any T-72 and T-90 they come across, and how to use/counter them. They would be useful in aggressor training.
And they might even build the K2PL (polish version of korean K2) in Poland...
And the challenger 2 tank
@@SuperGeronimo999 Wow, if they really build the K2, that would really be a show to watch! I'm excited!
Challenger 2, not so much... The ammo feed is different, and what are the Brits thinking when they don't have the tanks themselves... I guess at least the Poles can show us what is best when they purchase the next tanks...
T72 have dissappear. No one know whey they are, but certainly not on Ukraine, because that would piss of Putin 😂
@@ABCantonese well we got the challenger 3 now so giving away challenger 2s won't be that bad.
i would love to see a video on French tank forces or mechanized infantry
"Poland acquires US built M1A2 Abrams tanks"
Germany: Wtf? HANZ ZEEE POLISH HAVE AQUIRED NEW TANKKS!!
Germany: "Releases new next generation Panther tank"
For non-Polish speakers, FYI: Twardy = Hard, Wilk = Wolf. :)
Thanks for sharing.
All those tanks need are wings.
they have polish hussar wings 😎
1:11 THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
Every hussar should have GOOD horse !!!!!!
Honker may just be my favourite name for a military 4 wheeler ever.
The Abrams and Leopard guys must really tease the T-72 crews.
The mix mash of types is a logistical problem. Incompatible Spares, ammo and inter operability of crews make for expensive issues
Australia has the M1 abram variant too. It keeps the gas turbine but ours use diesel as the tank fuel as it is capable of multifuel.
Does the Leopard and PT-91 use diesel also and would the Polish forces use diesel in their Abrams to simplify logistics ?
The Leos and PT-91s all use diesel, as will the M1s in all likelihood.
Fun fact: diesel (DF-2) was the primary fuel the AGT1500 turbine was designed around. Nevertheless neither fuel hurts the engine in any way, and using kerosene makes little sense for Poland, as the tanks are unlikely to inter-operate with helicopters all that much, and supply will be done ground-side in the vast majority of cases.
We should have bought the Leopard 2 but whatever.
@@hiddendragon415 Germany does not have any to sell at the moment
@@hiddendragon415 Yup. There is a reason behind the US Army cutting costs of maintaining stuff outside their country.
@@burritoman5567 Neither does the US have SEP3's lying around. Both new SEP3's would be upgraded older models, same with "new" Leopard 2's.
GOD bless you Poland!
Man you have done a brilliant job
Thank you, that's exactly what I needed!
Its cool to see how quickly the world is changing. First the Poles future was the Abrams, and now it lies in the K2. You will have to do a redo of this video in a few months haha
in truth, nothing has changed, abrams continue for us to be the basis of armored troops, and k2pl as a complement. Yes we will have more k2PL, because of the speed of replenishment of the number we need + of course for economic reasons, but this does not change the fact that abrams will be the foundation of Poland's armored fist.
@@maxalbon9557 there will be 3x more K2 as Abrams eventually so it will change. While that transition goes on, Poland will divest all its soviet tanks and, possibly, its Leopards to simplify its logistics when K2 production gets up and running. Plus the Germans have been proved to be reluctant allies at times.
A very well done video, but I think you're missing a little point. The Abrams' arrival is the consequence of speeding up turn away from soviet legacy, and the weakness of german offering.
Now that you've studied the structures, you are likely aware that compared to average NATO manouver brigades, the Polish Four has an anusually high ratio and numbers of tanks outside Heavy Armored Battalions. This is caused by the soviet legacy of BMP-1. Few people realize that 2A82 cannon of the BMP-1 has trouble hitting targets beyond 500 meter mark, and its large, slow-travelling round is strongly affected by wind. And despite adding 900+ modern wheeled APCs and IFVs - Patria AMV, known and built locally as Rosomak (Wolverine), there's still 1200+ BMP-1s left. Their replacement, the Borsuk (Badger), is arriving (LRIP stage) this year, but the deployment will still take time.
To prop up the BMP-1 fleet, which is helpless against any opponent that has anything with decent range and punch, T72s were liberally mixed into the ranks. While the PT-91 modernization tried to retain T72 as a "proper tank", the most recent approach, T72M1R that has been in deliveries last 2 years, simply affirms that this machine is no longer really treated as Tank, but more as a STUG of sorts: a highly mobile, RELATIVELY well protected, HIGH firepower vehicle intended to support and oppose primarily APCs and IFVs such as BTR-82 or BMP-1AM Basurmanin, both sporting BPPU-1 turret with a 2A42 30mm cannon, which grants them immense fire range and effectivenes advantage over "vanilla" BMP-1s. The T72M1Rs have so far been delivered for ca.1 battalion, and a total of 160ish are slated for the programme, which leaves armor and primary weapon intact with 70s ammo (which is still MORE than enough for any BMP or BTR...), and instead focuses on 3Gen night vision, digital radio, and maintainability (engine equipment, suspension, transmission system).
Now, if you take Poland's tank force in this context, its easy to understand that procurement of Leopard, and now Abrams, is simply a consequence of departure from soviet era hardware, and a sign of building more of NATO-style heavy manouver brigades.
And why Abrams? Just add up the publically available figures on the Leopard2PL programme. A singular Leo2PL, despite cutting corners to keep costs down, already costs more than a fully rebuilt Abrams hull. Sure, in FMS that number will go up, but what you get is essentially a new tank; Leo2PLs undergo level 6 depot maintenance on TOP of the programme, and what you get is still a 20+ years old tank...
"The weakness of german offering" Hungary shows this is not more than the current govs lunacy. The same goes for K2PL. They are not able to provide decent skills in trading and dealing. Let alone on a high level.
it's way simpler: with american tech comes americas protection.
@@HanSolo__ Hungary is just showing that the German offer is not an option.
@@HanSolo__ This is not true. Germans had most of the money paid up front in 2015. The tanks are STILL not there, and the price (and scope) kept increasing. F6 depot maintenance is paid for ON TOP of modernization price. German tanks are simply more expensive, and germans can't deliver in quantity and on time. By the way, Hungary is another proof germans can't deliver on time, even when producing new tanks.
@@tigerbesteverything True, but I'd consider this a bonus; a cherry on top. Everything else I stated, particularly the fact that germans can't deliver on time and for agreed price, is true, too.
You should do a video on the Canadian army’s complete lack of firepower. Less than 100 tanks, no man portable ATGM’s, less than 4 dozen pieces of heavy artillery, no brigade level SAM’s, no MANPADs whatsoever.
Lots of people have criticized the Canadian government for not giving more military aid to Ukraine, but i honestly can’t blame them, there’s nothing to give, there isn’t enough equipment to even fully equip them active duty forces alone.
c'mon we still got the bagpipes and trudeau
@@danielkol477 our worst enemies are real estate investors )))
Hard to imagine Canada fighting a war where the US doesn't already establish air superiority so no anti-air is sort of logical. The primitive anti-tank weapons though has no excuse. Should be buying Israeli Spikes based on their performance in Karabakh.
@@Burboss you better fight like hell tho can’t have people raiding while doing little ight allies have each other’s back
@@Channel-23s who Canada should fight for, again?
Crazy to think that one army can be using a bmp 1 and abrams at the same time
howitzer used in Poland is Krab(new unit)
infantry vehicle is caled Borsuk(new vehicle)
bmp1 & gozdzik howitzer are backup hardware
Can you talk more about Nordic military like finnish or Norwegian I would like to see how they're forces are organized
If the 11th armored cavalry doesn’t roll around blasting Sabaton I’ll be disappointed.
We specifically ordered our Abrams tanks to have the sound equipment that blasts "40:1" automatically when approaching top speed
@@Szweminek797 Considering we'll be fighting with you this time I suggest we switch to Winged Hussars to honor the occasion. Hasn't been too often after all.
@@Exodon2020 lemme call the president then
American here, Poland is just cool as hell. 🇵🇱🇵🇱
hell is suposedly hot, not cool
Good job. Thanks ;)
Could you please made a more up to date video about polish forces? A lot has changed since 2022 and for example 18th mech div got their Abrams already. All the best and greetings from PL.
I think the Polish should double their order of M1 Abrams just to eliminate the Russian tanks and their turret tossing effect. The one big advantage of the turbine engine is cold weather starting when 10 degrees on down below zero, diesel fuel has issues in very cold weather. With the auxiliary power unit on the M1’s fuel consumption is improved.
@Jason lack of proper tactics will get any tank destroyed look at the Russians tactics with better tanks getting beat by old tanks of Ukraine because of better tactics. A tank by its self is just a big target. A tank used with combined arms is a weapon. Also if a tank doesn’t have a slat type cage system or anti missile defense systems like the new tank they are talking about any tank is going to have a bad day.
@Jason operating in -50 degree weather in trucks is done by never shutting them down , block heaters are sometimes not sufficient in cold weather if the engine is allowed to lose all heat over to a long period of time. Research how they operate in Antarctica. Running a 12 cyl diesel tank engine in extreme cold weather gives your position away. Trying to start a big diesel in -50 degree weather will take some kind of luck because your batteries will be froze or not optimal. You obviously never done any military cold weather training and are just talking out of your a_s.
Poland loves tanks.
Who dosent love tanks
@@zfnemesis6071 Liberals? :L
Polish language doesn't use "v", our W reads as english V, and our Ł (slashed L) as English W
So the tank was TVARDY - hard
You pronounced Wilk property like Vilk - wolf
Never thought abt this acc...great video as always. I thought it was really interesting how Poland is the first country in Europe to use the Abrams. i thought that the English or the Baltic states would use them. Love the content, keep it up!!!
I was in the 15th Brigade in 08-09 as a draftee. Loved it
I love Poland, forever friends!
You can by what ever weapons like tanks you want. If you do not have the people who have the training but above all the moral to fight a just cause, then better not buying such expensive weapons. In the case of Poland it is NOT. In my country they did not forgot Polish soldiers were the one who liberated us from the Nazi's. My country, late but still did, gave a Polish General and his regiment the HIGHEST military order there is. The Polish soldiers were known as THE BEST OF THE BEST. Give those Polish soldiers the weapons..................and you have the best army you can wish for.
You Dutch?
FRESH VIDEO AIN'T NO WAY I LOVE THIS FUCKING CHANNEL YEEEEEEHAWWWW
Wow I had no idea we parked an entire countries worth of armor in Poland. That's good to know.
Could you make a video about the German Tank Units? Would be very interesting.
And nice content. Keep it up! ;)