The people agree. The problem is all the people she killed that didn’t have to be. They cuda just had her go for the queen. Terrible and lazy writing. So sad
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@@ange-celiaprisofils6338 Plus Dany Knew they was gonna pick Snow and bretayl was gonna happen to her again, I think the bells triggered her childhood PTSD
Dany in seasons 1-7: "I will not be queen of the ashes" "I am a queen not a butcher" Locks away all of her dragons after they kill a child Dany in season 8:
@@jjh2456 No she hasn’t it’s terrible writing you doughnut 😂🤦🏻♂️. If she was genocidal then should have just left White Walkers kill everything and not help at all
As disappointing as the ending was I actually don't mind it. I think the biggest mistake of S8 was making it 6 episodes long. 10 episodes could have shown far more character development and shown more of Dany slowly going mad, 6 episodes made it feel rushed and is definitely why most people are upset by it. By far the worst part of S8 was making Bran king.
Ikr like why he cant even have kids, it was all a plot for the starks ngl , dan and dave made the buggest fuck up in tv history to the point that the author george hated them, and thats why he chose to write the prequels himself
Yeah, it was definitely rushed, and given how much money they'd already put into the series as a whole, rushing it was unnecessary. Dani's character arc was always going to end up this way. If you pay attention from start to end, you can see her evolving in that direction, little by little, and Targaryen inbreeding made madness more of an eventuality than a possible family trait. Anybody hoping for a Disney ending in the GOT world was deluding themselves. The entire story is one brutal tragedy after another, with brief interludes of heroism from the "good guys." I think the ending could have definitely been better written, but I'm not at all surprised about where it ended up. To be honest, before I finished the final episode, I thought sure the final scene would show Dani sitting on the iron throne with her dragon behind her, John beside her, and the Unsullied and Dothraki at her feet, in some Conan-like pull-back shot showing the Mad Queen presiding over the burning, twisted rubble of what used to be the red keep. Ready to rule the world by blood and fire. But, again, John's decision to end her wasn't a huge surprise. Bran as king? I don't think I'd have gone there. King's/Queen's advisor maybe, given his "sight," but not king himself. Just didn't make sense, and made the rest of it all seem kind of lame. I think most people are disappointed because they wanted to see Dani or John on the throne, or both, with Cersei hanging from the dragon's jaws, Jamie in a cell somewhere, Tyrion happily drinking and whoring in a brothel, and all the world rejoicing at the wondrous turn of events. But, again, that would not have been GOT.
She was a young girl who saw so much tragedy. And seeing her BEST friend murdered in front of her. Remember how she walked off on that scene? She was never the same after that. And she did not grow up in King's Landing, I dont think she was as fond of keeping it as those who lived in westeros either. So she took out her rage on the one thing everyone wanted.
@@omairsh8 i think that at that point Dany just wanted Cersei to see the consequences of her actions by letting her rage take over and Drogon burn the whole city down, like the two of them were connected in grieve and just acted by anger. Was it right? Absolutely not, but it was well portrayed. The two of them stopped at the ring of the bells, but you can tell the moment Dany decided to show Cersei what she could do as a reaction to her trigger
Honestly if this is the way they wanted season8 to finish. They needed far more episodes than 6. We didn’t get enough of anything, from the battle of the night King, to Dynarys losing her head. Everything was so rushed it felt like I was missing episodes
Yessss and that's exactly what she after everyone turned there backs on her jon couldn't keep a secret to himself she lost the ones who were loyal to her it's funny how people get mad at her actions but were happy when cersei blew everyone up including innocent people not just people her own damn people I say they all had it coming js
Better last word for Missandei would’ve been “Yoink!” and she placed a death-grip on Cersei’s arm and threw herself off the city walls. “What- AaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!” **squish** “…..right, so… what happens now?”
but now people already forgot about the pain Cersei brought to Dany, hiding behind the so called 'innocent people', all over the sadden, this war will come to end by a damn BELL. If you are innocent, what are you doing in the middle of war grounds? there you go girl, burn them all, I was with you when you were in pain, m still with you even now.
dany was also exaclty like this haha. she took the most violent and selfish action in every turn unless stopped by her advisors, who were all either dead or she felt betrayed by.
She did NOT go "mad king" A decade of pain, grief, suffering, tragedy all done to her in various ways. She SNAPPED. A "mad king" is what her father did. Harmed people and got joy out of it. They broke her to the point that all she could truly see is vengance.
All you need to do is look in Dany's eyes when the bells started tolling, she was reliving in her mind about everything that has happened to her, over the whole arc of the GOT story and culminating in the the execution of her best friend in front of her eyes at the hands of Cersei, her eyes then begin to flash with rage and if it could be put into words, her look simply says "I don't care anymore, everyone is going to pay the ultimate price today" then she quickly guides drogon high into the air and begins to rain down all of her pent up grief, fury, pain and vengeance onto everyone in King's Landing, innocence be damned. She's been pushed too far, she's completely lost it, she's snapped and the only thought in her head now is that she wants to watch the world (aka King's Landing) Burn.
Yep. I don't see her as a "Mad Queen" I see her for what she is. A human pushed way beyond her breaking point. I hate that it ended with her death instead of being able to get her to listen, to see reason. No chance at all. Even after ALL the chances she kept giving others. They gave her NONE! Why was it ok for everyone else to lose their ish and then cry for mercy and a second chance but because she snapped ONCE. Now she has to die? I HATE double standard bs.
To tell the truth I will never understand how people at the end hated Daenerys because of what she did, the writers of the series basically screwed up her character, they did things that are not even in the Books, and as George R.R Martin himself said they killed her character that in the Books is still alive, That said, I wonder what people expected her to do? After they killed the second Dragon, they decapitated the only or if not one of the people who mattered most to her in her life, she acted in the same way that a human being in real life would have done, kill everyone who She got in front, she was blinded by hatred, anger and revenge, they simply made her look like the Villain in history when the real villain was and always was Cersei, and if anyone has read the Books from another Perspective they know that That Throne from its core Was Cursed from the Beginning, a lot of blood was shed for that shitty throne, Many betrayals between relatives, that throne I repeat was cursed from the beginning
The madness was ALWAYS there....it just took enough tragedy and pain from loss to bring it out. When Cerci killed Misandai....that was the straw that broke the camel's back....Cerci had finally gone too far. No one was immune from her rage and madness after that...even Jon....and he knew it.
agree completely. She was a young girl who saw so much tragedy. And her finally saw her BEST friend murdered in front of her. Remember how she walked off on that scene? She was never the same after that. And she did not grow up in King's Landing, I dont think she was as fond of keeping it as those who lived in westeros either. So she took out her rage on the one thing everyone wanted.
It was not always there. She hammers on and on about not being the queen of the ashes, and then when she eventually does go mad there's no trigger that makes sense. The bells? how are they triggering her. The season was rushed and the writers completely forgot how to develop characters
@@HMSBreadnought yup. After “the blood of my ennemies, not the blood of innocents” “I will not be queen of Ashes. We will NOT attack King’s Landing.” “I am not my father” « I Want To Make My Kingdom Beautiful, To Fill It With Fat Men And Pretty Maids And Laughing Children. I Want My People To Smile When They See Me Ride By, The Way Viserys Said they smiled for my father” - they go and serve us this sh!t. The wound is not healed.
@@HMSBreadnought Yes it was.. People see what they want to see, Dany was not a good person, she had a good cause, definitely, but terrible values She says she's not going to be queen of the ashes, until she's actually gets to that bridge. Humans do it all the time: I wont get drunk, gets drunk. I wont get mad, gets mad. Id never let my kid do that, lets their kid do that. I wont get addicted, gets addicted. Her advisors knew it was a slippery slope to tyranny and she ignored them anyway, she was saying what she and the others wanted to believe, but when push came to shove, she handles it exactly the same way as she always had, by killing people. So yes, this is how Dany is meant to be, if you wanted a Mary Sue, youve still got Aria, the worst written character of seasons 6, 7 and 8.
@@cloudnyne4663 You're telling me that Dany, who spent 5 or 6 seasons freeing slaves across an entire continent, who locked up her dragons after a single innocent life was lost, who made all of her unsullied freemen, who decided to negotiate with Cersei in order to save humanity first; always had the signs of being a tyrant? This wad bad writing and made worse by the fact that it had no trigger other than the bells. And on top of that afterwards they give her Hitler imagery, which we had never seen before from her.
People are upset at this because they came to love Dany. I loved Dany too, but that reaction of hers is kind of logical if you look back at all the killings she's done. This is a breaking point, where she just "snaps". Like Star Wars, where Anakin Skywalker turns to the dark side, Dany's anguish has been building up every season.
Good comparison. Danaerys is Anakin in many ways. People don’t wanna admit it but Anakin was always more appealing than Obi Wan or anyone else in the force.
Nah bro, this is bad writing, i understand your ficked reason, but season 1-7 she especially says "i will not rule ashes", so sad, a greater character broken by writers with shit in their heads.
@@alexandrealencarm8844no it made a lot of sense. You have to remember that her best friend died before this and so did her dragon .. if you watch the show you would know that her mercy has limits even Tyrion said it. I wasn’t shocked at all with her response ofcourse it doesn’t make it right nor am I justifying it but from psychological standpoint yeah this is a pretty accurate reaction from all trauma leading up to this. At the very end of the series she became unrecognizable to the rest of the characters and that was the whole point. Bran becoming king was pretty forced though I believe that is pretty bad writing
Not a single reactor in this vid, had the same reaction a few others and myself had, IDK if I should get help or just question my lack of sympathy for that kingdom. Danny still rules, my Queen u rock!!💖
You and me both. I would've done the same. After all those years of trying to build a name for myself and helping nations, then....losing two of my "kids", seein' my best friend killed, muhfkaz conspiring behind my back, knowing that no one would ever REALLY support me as ruler of the Seven Kingdoms when it was all said and done.....fk it....burn this bitch to the fkn GROUND.
i love dany shes my favorite character from the saga, but daenerys was always meant to go "dark". she was truly the last targaryen, in the sense she believed she was above everyone else, and she was right in a way, her connection with magic and dragons, the fact she survived twice the pyres. and more importantly she had a dragon at her will, there was no one more powerful than her in the world by the end of the war. when jon asks her what about the other people, she dismisses them as non important in what they want, thats why jon decides to kill her, she was too powerful and she could do anything she wanted. its horrible they rushed the ending since it could have been so much more. but people really didnt listen when she said in previous seasons she would burn cities to the ground when her dragons would grow up, the fire was always in her.
She said the latter as her group with baby drsgons were starving in the heat and would die if they didnt enter Qarth, so that aint foreshadowing for burning a city of innocent people when her whole thing is standing up for the little man
The issue is the way it was executed, not necessarily the decision to do it. It COULD have worked, but you need time and development to take such a beloved character and change them in such a way that something like this is believable. The change here is literally a few episodes (at most) and that's it.
She wasn't like this from the start. There was nothing to indicate this. The writers were lost without the final book and they needed a strong climax that will crown the show at its climax. If ONLY they took a bit more time to make her slowly descend into madness and darkness, she would've been the best villain ever written.
There are so many things that happened in the show that did not happen in the books. Daenerys locked her own dragons up because one child was murdered, yet this same person is the one who would burn a whole city to the ground, including children? She is reflective of her actions throughout the books, compared to someone like Cersei who doesn't care about anyone. She could have attacked Kingslanding ages ago but she stays for the people, if she was power-hungry why would she do that when she could just take her army and three dragons and just attack? In the books when Daenerys goes to Qarth, she's welcomed in, whereas in the show she gives a whole speech about "burning cities to the ground", which doesn't even happen in the books. She doesn't burn or feed men to her dragons - doesn't happen in the books. She is a mother to her people, and she goes out to protect them, she states "Why do the gods make kings and queens, if not to protect the ones who can't protect themselves?" She fights against slavery and kills Slavers (which is a great thing, nobody misses them) and fought for their freedom (though that freedom can be questioned). She has her brother Viserys killed, but he was an abuser even if you read through those chapters she's so sympathetic towards him, she tries her best to accommodate her abuser and he tries to kill her baby and that was the final straw; but throughout the books, she still is haunted by his death. The only thing that was a grey area was when she crucified the masters because they crucified children, but she thinks it was justice for what they did because among those crucified were those who were innocent and against slavery; but afterwards she regrets it when she smells their bowels and blood. Daenerys states, "I want to make my kingdom beautiful, to fill it with fat men and pretty maids and laughing children. I want my people to smile when they see me ride by, the way Viserys said they smiled for my father." I don't think Daenerys in the books is going to systematically massacre and commit genocide after they surrender to her. There will definitely be collateral damage but not in the way the show depicted it. George R R Martin is setting up Cersei to be the mad queen, it's so blatant in the books, don't think he needs Daenerys to be another mad queen - I could be wrong but it just doesn't follow her narrative arc in my opinion.
@@princeamir9235 I dont think Daenerys is meant to be the Mad Queen. I think she's meant to be the fallen hero from the books. Yes, she has good intentions, even in the show I believe she died thinking what she did was the right thing. I don't think Daenerys is evil or Martin wrote her that way, but I think he also purposely wrote Daenerys chapters only from her POV so we can't really judge her actions from outside. I think when she will arrive to Westeros her view of right and wrong will differ a lot with other main characters.I think what happened in the show was a breaking point, she was not in her best state of mind, I don't think she did it of intentional malice but more of a violent breakdown. The thing she's just too powerful and her actions can be too destructive. Still, this is just speculation since the books aren't out and they probably won't be out in a long time.
Go back to when Misande was beheaded, her best friend and her man Greyworm watched it happen! But before Gregor removed her head, Misande said “Dracarus”! It all makes sense put in that perspective!
Yeah, that was the narrative season 8. But when you go back to the first 6-7 seasons when Dany was for the people, and didn’t kill innocents on a massive scale but rather corrupt elites, it’s hard not to question why she wouldn’t just fly up and kill Cersei, or at least just burn down the red keep. She became pretty ruthless early on but destroying an entire city felt out of character imo
It makes sense narratively, but with the way her character has been portrayed thus far, it needed time before it could happen. As it stand, at the point in the story from which it happens, it makes absolutely no sense.
Literally no build up to this. Danny has been through so fucking much, and never has been swayed to do something like this. All in the span of one episode she decides to go full crazy? Lol
You gotta think about how Cersei slaughtered her son and her best friend. Then suddenly dany's expected to play nice when they surrender. Their surrender meant Missendei and Rhaegal died for nothing. I am at peace with the ending.
You have Cersei blowing up the trial which is a masterpiece and then you have Daenerys going insane over 3 episodes and people that were convinced that the writers knew this was coming from season one. Lmao.
@@IGetWetInHD She was never tyrannical enough to kill innocent people. Everyone who she killed in previous seasons had wronged her in some way. The truth is, we needed another 2 seasons of her becoming even more tyrannical for this Mad Queen bs to work
@@IGetWetInHD the same way every single character in got did? Cersei killing people left and right, Tyrion killing his father and paramour, Tywin ending two houses, Robb killing his own men but oh no all of those are justified but Daenerys killing slavers isn't. What a load of garbage
@@alebelen4255 She wanted to listen to the witch woman scream in agony while burning to death in season 1, all because the witch woman killed a brutal rapist who enslaves innocents (Drogo), and killed her unborn child, who was destined to be an even bigger villain than Drogo. You can definitely argue that killing an unborn child is itself evil, but Dany's response was definitely sadistic. Same as locking people in a vault to die a slow, horrific death from asphyxiation.
honestly cersei deserved to watch her city burn. i wish she would’ve burned the city without the people? but at the same time. a lot of people happened bc of her. 1 of her dragons died for cersei, one of them were killed by cersei, jorah essentially died because cersei wouldn’t help the land of the living fight the dead. massendei was killed by cersei. cersei threatened daenerys’ last child. and there were a lot of other factors that played into this like how almost all of her trusted advisors or people she trusted betrayed her. it’s a lot. i would’ve burned the city the moment they killed rhaegal. i really wouldn’t care. if she chose to put all those people at risk then she wanted them to die. that’s that
and that's why because of the way this happened in the show, she needed to be killed. Sad it was jon but it needed to happen. Imagine having a queen that at the moment she's mad or hurting she decides to burn entire towns and innocent people instead of going specifically for the people who did something to her. Like imagine someone in the north insults her and she says "let's burn the north" like damn
Ya know something, it's not so much that she suddenly snapped but that the lack of editing made it worse. That scene where they show a close up of her on the dragon was a perfect opportunity to show flash backs of all the people she loved and cared for being killed. It would've helped make sense of what was to come
I didnt need the flashbacks. Way back in season 1, Drogo talked about raping and pillaging Westeros, and Dani smiled. Based on that, and a bunch of other stuff Dani said and did over the years, Dani's burning of Kings Landing, was a tragic but not a big surprise. If she had been merciful, that would have been surprising to me.
It's strange, we can't see her after the bells rang. There was rumors that Emilia didn't know all this, she thought she was killing just Lannisters armies.
Why? Because these people (their culture) are the reason she has been in exile, has gone through hell, lost her best friend, lost two of her dragons, they won’t even thank her for risking her life to fight the walkers, they were already looking at Jon to replace her, etc…
@@that.ll_do_pig you are exactly right. All these "fans" were just pissed cuz it's not what they wanted. If they actually watched the series as a whole and not fawned over Dany they would have seen in coming.
@@mikeymartinez8677 👏🏻👏🏻Fffff-ingggg thank you! I hate how ppl ignore her decent into madness. I knew this was coming the moment she told jon to kneel.
The show was damn near perfect till this final season. Soo many amazing character developments and arcs just thrown away... Sad because the following and support GOT had was out of this world. Let's hope they don't mess up House of the dragon.
dunno which show you're talking about but game of thrones' quality dropped heavily during season 5, and by 6 it was a bad show. it got worse but it was not near perfect before season 8. seasons 1-4 you could make an argument for
@@henhicktaimon I agree with you, quality dropped incredibly. The only thing that kept me watching was to see Daenerys get the crown she worked for, but they decided to kill all her loved ones and allies and make her go mad and then betrayed by a "north man" who is and will always be true to his world. They made her go full Hitler by the end.
@@annbowen9656 right?! She never had any qualms about using the dragons to kill others. Even in one of the earlier seasons she told Tyrion that she was going to burn down cities with her dragons.
This is the part I have the least problems with. Daenerys' cruel and impulsive side was established way in the beginning, and she gradually got more and more accustomed to burning everyone in front of her alive. Her going mad was always foreshadowed, even if the execution felt a bit abrupt in the end.
Except all of the times she said she was not there to be queen of the ashes. Or all the times she said she would not hurt the innocent. Locking her dragons away for accidentally killing a child. She remained in Essos for the sole purpose of freeing people from slavery. Conquering city after city- without unleashing fire and death onto its inhabitants. She set aside her own desire for the iron throne- to help the people of Yunkai, and Mereen, and the rest of freehold so that they wouldn’t slip back into chains. She was reminded over and over the atrocities her father committed, and every time she condemned his actions- assuring her advisors that she was not her father. Aside from Jon, Daenerys was one of the only characters that actually considered how her actions might affect the lives of innocent people. So much so, that they called her their Mother. She set aside her desire for the throne to save Westeros and the North from the Night King- sacrificing most of her armies and a dragon in the process. What other characters sacrificed more than Daenerys? Yes, she had the potential for darkness- as did every other main character! Arya’s entire mission in life was to become a skilled assassin and avenge her enemies through murder. Sansa almost killed her own sister because she was a threat to her position. Jon murdered a fellow brother of the nights watch so he could infiltrate the wildlings. Tyrion used wildfire to burn thousands of men, he also threatened to poison everyone in kings landing, and strangled the woman he loved because she betrayed him. Bran was arguably the worst of them all because he knew what would happen and did nothing to prevent it- so that in the end-he could sit the iron throne. Brienne, the Hound, Jamie, Bronn, all of them have murdered people, for one reason or another. Do we consider those moments of darkness for them as proof they were destined for evil? No, because that’s not character development.
@@jonathanl9229 Commendable essay. Everyone kills. Some out of necessity, some out of duty, personal revenge, etc. I think Daenerys posessed a unique combination of vengeful bitterness and entitlement. While she was kind to the innocent, she treated her enemies with excessive cruelty to her deep satisfaction, and always on the scale of conquest. "I'm not my father" was a sort of mantra, always spoken with threatening command, but half her actions showed that half of her WAS her father. She had to consciously veer herself towards kindness and reason many times. "I won't be queen of the ashes" were Tyrion's words, which she repeated as a new mantra, to keep, as he once said, her worst impulses in check. Whenever Daenerys set aside her own mission to assist others, she would experience loss and pain in return. Maybe when she finally got what she was after and heard those bells, the realization hit her that none of it was worth it. Countless friends and two dragons lost, all for this strange foreign city in front of her. These people think they were worth her sacrifices? Damn them all to hell.
Nah bro, this was not established in the beginning, you are trying to put something in your narrative, just read the books, or whatches the show again, is not that hard
@@ShayaN9776 we're not it's how it is told in the books and how the show adapted it. People seem to remember only the good in her but she had ambition + stubbornness + violence + entitlement. From season 3 to 8 she always choose violence first before being advised otherwise by the different good people that surround her, she gets more and more brutal and tyrannical every season
@@ShayaN9776 So it is a certainty that this would happen, but the show made it dumb because there's no transition whatsoever. In the books she's still at the events of season 5 and she already shows signs of madness
@@MeraHarch we're not talking about the books, we're talking about the show. Plus the books aren't even finished. None of what she did in the earlier seasons leading up to it has convinced me that she was destined to become the mad queen. And don't say "you weren't paying attention."
I think Daenerys did the right thing! A loved one betrayed her, her best friend was killed before her eyes, and two children were also killed .... King's Landing is saturated with evil, so she decided to destroy it! Bravo Danny! You did everything right!
@@adinab478 everyone went crazy in their own way, the characters are individual. Would you like the mother of dragons to be less ferocious? Then why does she need fiery children?)
@@autumnhomer9786 I wouldn't say Jon didn't want her, he still loved her but was weirded out by the aunt situation (he should've been there for her tho), but it's still completely out of character for her to burn women and children when they surrendered. She could've just gone for the Red Keep and get her revenge there.
I knew she was gonna do it and I don't blame her. Dany lost everyone the last straw was when Jon turned her down. I loved Dany to much she deserved so much better
Although the pain of everything Daenherys had suffered from humiliation since they fled from Kingslanding was noticeable and there were already small moments where he showed that he would have some of his father's madness, it would have been better if he first looked for Cercei in the castle and burn it; and that the monster knocks her down from the dragon and that is where her revenge has just begun for being humiliated again by people from Kingslanding, there it could be better understood that her total madness is unleashed.
Okay , the first time I saw it I was shocked , yes. Dany is by far my fav character in this show and it made me sad because the change of behavior was way too sudden in my opinion. At the beginning I couldn't understand why she'd do such a thing but actually , when we think about it , she was alone. I mean she lost 2 of her dragons , Jorah , Missandei and a lot of allies... she also knew that people in Westeros didn't love her the way people in Essos did. Daenerys probably knew she wouldn't have been able to rule correctly , people were just afraid and didn't like her at all so it would have been chaos ngl. We can agree and say that she went completely mad at the end. I didn't want to say it at first because I couldn't understand what just happened... I think that they should have developed Dany's mental health getting worse on a longer period of time. I mean they kinda rushed the show and that's why most people don't understand why the mother of dragons would do that. Anyways I hope what I said is understandable lol :)
@Frankie Byrbe Yeeeah gotta agree with you here. Even if they did wanna go the "mad" route, they rushed the hell out of it to the point where it makes no sense. The writers get no forgiveness for this.
I didnt have a problem with her death but I felt it was rushed. This would've worked way better as a ten episode season. It seems one minute she just loses it. Also, after the battle with the Night King any battle with Cersei would be an after thought.
It's odd to see so many people talk about this being a surprise. Danny crucified people. She burned people alive. The only thing that ever held her back was her advisors and her most trusted ones died or were consumed with revenge. She was increasingly detached in the final season as more and more people from Westeros didn't adore her. Losing Misande of Narth was the final straw. Like she told John, "It's fear then" in reference as to whether to rule through fear or love. She went crazy just like her father. Not the ending we all wanted, but the bread crumbs were absolutely there.
Yeah did you watch the same show she crucified people for a reason you saw those kids right and at the end she lost everything for nothing it wasn’t worthy anymore all the things she gave for nothing
"Danny crucified people" As punishment for those same people (Slave masters btw) doing that very same thing to slave children. Judging by her quote of "i will answer injustice with justice", it doesn't look to be vengeance. "She burned people alive" They were almost always her enemies or she had logical rationale to do so. Besides, Stannis did the same and we often talk about how much of a fair man he is. "The only thing that held her back was her advisors" Apart from that time in S5 when Daario advised her to kill all the masters to stop the Sons of the Harpy and she instead decided to adopt a diplomatic approach of marrying Hizdahr. "She was increasingly detached...," Mostly based on Propaganda spread by Cersei and valid distrust from Northerners for what happened to Ned's brother and father when they went south to meet the her father. But i mean, she was conquering their lands. She should have known they'd fear her. Besides, winning the throne via conquest would still be valid anyway. Personally, i think everything you mentioned can be explained. What i can't find an explanation for is why she would purposefully burn innocent people when Cersei, her true enemy and the only one with power able to rival her's, is within reach.
@@LFC_Fan23 I blame HBO for not having more time to show the decent into madness, but in short the line Danny says to John about ruling through Love or Fear is what explains her decision to roast King's Landing. When John refuses her, she says "Fear then". She was always prone to be impulsive and had just burned Varrus alive for the crime of knowing who the true successor should be AND was dealing with a lot of trauma from Mesande and Jora dying. She was not at baseline or stable when she made that choice. I truly understand people's confusion or anger at this plot twist, but since when did GOT do things that the people wanted? If they did Rob and Ned never would've died in the first place and John Snow would be king.
@@aranielleb7718 George RR Martin said the show just needed more episodes to show Danny's decent into madness. Go take it up with him. Have a nice day and maybe don't lead with insults. It reflects poorly on you as an individual.
"Dracarys!" Missandei's last word before they beheaded her in front of the Queen's army at the gates of King's Landing. The Queen honored her most loyal and faithful servant's dying wish. I would do the same.
The only thing I wish that had happened was a Cersei VS Dany inside the Red Keep. Drogon busts the walls open to see Cersei sitting on the throne. Dany approaches with Drogon behind her and Cersei curses Daenerys calling her a Mad Queen. - I am Mad? You were happy to let everyone in Westeros die to the White Walkers because of your hunger for this throne that’s never been yours in the first place. - And unfortunately you survived.
Daenarys burning the city was foreshadowed since season 1. They always talked about the Mad King ranting "burn them all!" Of course it comes full circle and the Mad Queen burns them all.
Sorry but Dany did the right thing. Cersei was arrogant. The people in King’s landing are stupid and arrogant to believe those walls or Cersei could protect them from a dragon. Cersei in her stupidity played dirty and thought Daenerys has principles to just forget and move on from her killing off the most important people in her life. She would have saved her life and the people had she humbled down at the first place and did not kill Messandei. This is all Cersei’s doing. And the blame should all to her. That surrender has even made Dany more mad because she was meaning to burn everyone by not looking bad had the bell not rung. But when the bell rang, she simply showed her pent up anger and couldn’t let Cersei win by portaying her as calculated defeat. Daeny making statement to Cersei, you thought I was an angel huh? Just accept your defeat and not kill these people you weaponize against me. I’ll kill them all, this city of yours and you’ll know fear like you’ve never seen before. And there goes! 😂
Most people seem to say that Dany turned mad in the span of two episodes. For me I believe it was somewhere late in season 7 that I started to feel that a possible heel turn was on the horizon. They were subtle but apparent signs that she would do something to the effect and the absute final straw was when Cersei ordered to behead Missandei. I still feel that it was a a little rushed and could've easily ran into a 9th season with how fast things progressed. As far as Bran being king, It was very meh. Westeros turning somewhat into a democracy was an ok turn of events I suppose. Everything just felt a little anticlimactic to me. Still one of the best series I've ever watched right up there with Sopranos and Breaking bad
The literal first episode of the entire show suggested that she was going to be the final villain. Madness runs in the family and she had no discipline in her upbringing. She ended up just like her brother.
The way everyone just tough she was going for Cersei instead it tells you how much they fuck up Danny last season nobody believed in her madness ahhh still mad how they tried to ruin her in 1 episode like yes she is mad wtf
@@kiandronootto Cersei was always evil, it's not excused but its understandable because of her character arc. Dany though, she's always been for the people, she's always wanted the innocent to back her but then she massacres an entire city full of innocent people? Doesn't make sense.
I’ve rewatched the show a few times and going back it’s clear to see this is where she was heading since the beginning. She was always crazy but because she was using it for “good” people ignored it. If you rewatch you can see that all the “good” she did was always self serving and all the while she was being enabled and emboldened without checks and balances, getting away with a little more each time. She was a mad narcissist the whole time and the enables helped fortify and strengthen her until she became a dictator.
No, she was good through out most of the series, it was shown over and over that she really did care about innocent people and did not want to be like her father. You can't just change who the character really was just to suit the ending.
@@haselbasil2488 she was crucifying people in one of the earlier seasons. Like when you saw her do that, that’s when you should’ve gotten a clue she ain’t all there. People like you would’ve fallen for all the despots like in Germany, Italy, and Spain in the decade before WWII.
Thank you. I'm glad some people out there weren't so enamored by her charisma and epic speeches that they blinded themselves to all the cruel and self-serving things she did through the entire series. People complain that she 'suddenly' turned bad at the end, but she was showing glimpses of it all the way back in Season 1. But rather than acknowledge it, they're all bitter about their 'slay Queen' not being the hero Goddess they'd been duped into worshipping. They thought they were watching a hero's journey, and threw a tantrum when they realized they were tricked into rooting for a villain during their origin story.
@@TheMonkeyShowOnline the problem was the origen story- absolutely. First season she seemed innocent until she let her clearly mentally ill brother get murdered by her raping/killing husband. I got over her real fast.
I truly love how a lot of people react to Daenerys burning King's Landing but fail to react to the Northern troops and the Vale killing surrendered soldiers and innocent civilians.
In the words of Baylish, "If you think this has a happy ending, you hav'nt been paying attention." While not the best season, it should have been no suprise Danerys went absolutely crazy in the end after all the stories of her father burning them all.
Dracarys - last word. She witnessed how her good friend beheaded in front of her. Her dragon was killed in front of her. A full army was promised to her to fight against whitewalkers but only came Jaime. So people should stop asking “why”. She did the right thing. She even had a talk but then Cersei is also arrogant. For just this incident people forgot how she managed to get those Army. How she freed a lot of people from slavery. All because of hardwork.
All of that could have made sense if she just went after Cersei and the Red Keep. Destroying the city doesn't square up with any of her previous ruthless actions.
Lol she did the right thing? I pray that you never get in any position of power because you're the type of person who would take your frustrations out on innocent people
@@comeatmebro8120 Seriously. People cheering Dany burning the city down is all the proof needed to those who say it was 'out of her character'. Dany has been a fan magnet for exactly the kind of people the show warns us against.
Exactly, when she torched the Tarly's, I immediately said "villian arc." Too bad cuz Dany torching King's landing almost felt like a victory for Cersei somehow
@@IGetWetInHD it’s still incredibly rushed though. Her character is almost unrecognizable in seasons 7-8 as her arc begins to speed run to a conclusion. She was always going to go mad and I knew that, and it’ll be amazing in the books, but D&D handled it terribly. Her character arc in s8 is not believable at all, as well as most other characters in season 8
So awesome how this show can make you: Love a character and then later hate the character. Hate the character and then later love the character. Not really care for a character and then later be heart broken when they die.
See I actually will say I didn't mind the end of this show and people who could stop going "Oh pretty face!" Would realise Lass was snapping from the beginning like......They kept saying how it runs in the family man!
I know people like to go "she went mad like mad King" arc.. but I honestly feels Daenerys would never ever do this. They completely botched it up.. Both Tolkien and GRRM has put great thought in power and how it affects people.. power enhances your innet qualities. Daenerys had dragons on her command, that's the greatest power one is ever gonna get and she knows it, she avoids using it until it's necessary. I could have accepted it if Viserion was alive and let's say Sansa was riding it.. Sansa has real memories of atrocities in red keep and with new found epitome of power, she could snap and burn city. But Dany, not at all convincing. She locked her children after seeing a burnt kid. This storyline was never gonna work.
Remember guys George RR’s favourite characters are the grey characters :) P.s am I the only one who likes Daenerys turning into this? Albeit I would prefer to make it a bit longer so that we can see a gradual peak.
yes you are cuz... is not well justified , i mean yeah she has passed so many things during the whole series but she was able to learn from those experiences and even ... she mentioned " i im not here to be queen of the ashes " that is the point when we all get that dany is not going to repeat madking acts .... well fuck that
I feel like if the 'madness' is in you, as it was in some of her family including her, then the writers should have shown that from season 1. She transformed in to the mad queen over too short of a period!
Dany was always ruthless. Her violent impulses were tempered by her advisors. She adapted to please those people because she cared for and loved them. They're all gone, and all died honorably, but horribly. So I didn't think her actions here were out of character or a break from her character arc. She acted on an impulse and was too far removed from others at this point to really care about diplomacy, peace, or anything other than fear and pain.
She forgave Varys for what he did under Robert's commands. She forgave Jorah when he came to rescue her from the Dothraki. There were other times she showed mercy without someone telling her so. She had some evil impulses, ok. You could even say that she liked burning some people alive, but not innocent people. This is completely different. She's never hurt innocent people, not a single one.
Thanks for the reply. The two most devastating losses for Dany have to be Mormont and Selmy. Selmy died, at least indirectly, because she took a city relatively peacefully. She also upended the entire economic system of that city and suffered greatly from the backlash that always happens when a leader does such things. So fast forward to King's Landing; she's taking a city and seeking to upend the social and dynastic cycles that have led to rampant corruption. A peaceful transition of power would be ideal but would also be a tough sell for someone who has already seen the dire effects of radically changing societal systems. As wrong as they may be, those systems have been in place for generations and a lot of people will lose wealth, standing, or prestige from such a change. It will have a great deal of repercussions yet again... unless they are too afraid to do so. Without Mormont or Selmy there to turn her from such lines of thought, indeed, the fact that they aren't there at all makes the scene believable to me. She and her cause have suffered greatly because of her clemency; therefore, fear, arguably the easier but more terrible route, is chosen.
@@georger8133 I noticed that in the last two seasons the writing of her character had completely changed. A turn of 360. I read that Martin had confidentially told the two idiots that she was going crazy in the books, so in the course of work they completely rewrote Daenerys (it is also noticeable in Emilia Clarke's acting, as if there was something that did not convince her in her character). For 6/7 seasons she was the hero, the hope that came from Essos (in season 7 she literally says "I'm not here to be the queen of the ashes"). Losing Jorah and Missandei does not justify what she did, insanity is something else (like killing 2 people, cutting them into pieces and putting them in a cake).
THANK YOU!!!! She NEVER changed, her people held her in check! How many times did she intend to slaughter people or outright did? How many times were she told otherwise? She was ALWAYS insane, she was just controlled. Everyone controlling her was dead her. It was intended from the starts, pretty, sexy, strong, confident, and absolutely batshit crazy. It just sucks that people ingore the latter.
Thanks for the reply. I was just thinking about some of the moments from the show where Dany made choices when dealing with those who oppose her. She burned a temple with a bunch of men inside. Granted they were terrible and stood in the way of her ascent to power, but yeah, that wasn't dragon fire, they wouldn't have died quickly at all. She ordered the Unsullied to massacre their former masters. Yes, evil is punished and the enslaved are free. But I wonder how guilty someone is by surviving and profiting from a system over which they have no control and no means to change. Even the unarmed onlookers were killed in this instance. She orders the summary execution of the slaver leadership. Again, they were bad men and represented a major hurdle to her maintaining her power base. So, the judgement was passed, and throats were slit. I could also talk about the execution of the Tarley men and wonder if enemy soldiers are guilty of anything for refusing to defect and remaining loyal to their leadership. That probably falls into the timeframe you're talking about, so I won't address it further. I guess my point is she probably was more brutal than perhaps we, the supportive viewers, assume she is, especially when viewed from different perspectives.
My reaction exactly. Daenerys could have burnt the city, but as a byproduct of her attack setting off the Wildfire her father hid under kings landing, not deliberately. And maybe Cersei could be the mad queen that actually trapped the city with wildfire and as daenerys attacked it would trigger an explosion. We saw cersei liked using wildfire and didn't care about civilians.
As soon as Cersei Lannister soldiers threw their weapons down, then the bell ringed, I thought it was a trap based on everything Cersei has done throughout the series. It could had been a trap, that's why I don't know why, John Snow & others were so trusting when they did it.
(in the voice of Chancellor Palpatine): Do it! Oh no, are they going to surrender without a good burn? Danny, do it regardless. Why are you flying him without fire? He needs to be warmed up for the Red Keep! Finally, there you go, that's a good Queen and a brave Dragon! Go go go, keep doing it, never stop! Greyworm? Go! Yes! Nice slash! John? What are you waiting for? Join the party!
If Missandei hadn't been killed this could've gone down differently, sure there were hints throughout the show she could be rageful, but the death of a beloved friend very much tipped the scales, this was the downward spiral moment for me.
TAKE THEM ALL OUT!!!! I will forever be on Danys's side for this moment. You killed her most trusted person in the world and killed her children only to surrender? NO!! You and your entire EVERYTHING is DONE!... DRACARYS!!!
Todo mundo ficou feliz pq o sino tocou e Daenerys tinha ganhado a guerra. Ela queimar a cidade não fez sentido nenhum. Foi só uma desculpa pada dizer que ela ficou louca. E matar ela no final. Totalmente desnecessário e injusto. 😣😐
I don't think Dany is mad at all, fuck em! Lannisters and the people of KL had it coming. They had ample opportunities to flee the city or overthrow a true Mad Queen, Cersei, but they never did. Lannister soldiers have bannerman have perpetrated some of the worst atrocities across Westeros that we've seen. Everyone saying Daenerys is mad, though nearly every other character on the show would do the same thing or worse if they had the capabilities. Dany showed restraint in nearly every situation, listened to the horrible advice of Tyrion which nearly lost her the war, and had 8 seasons of enacting justice on some of the most despicable slavers and villains in Essos. People say she's "mad"" or "evil" for killing traitors and slavers lol. The Tarly's were traitors. They went against their Lord, the Tyrells, which were allied to Daenerys. Jon/Sansa would've been oathbound to cut off their heads lol. She used dragons, same difference. She also gave them the option to swear fealty and they refused, even though the Tarly's were oathbound to the Targaryens like just 30 years before.
am i the only one who didn’t think this reaction was uncalled for? Cersei was the reason so many of her loved ones died, especially rhaegal (rip my beautiful baby, u didn’t deserve to pass like that😭). also, let’s not pretend that everyone kings landing had that coming. AND, idk y everyone was so opposed to mad queen dany ruling the 7. like she’s a queen (literally and figuratively). -hardcore dany, dragon fan. and John snow hater. GET ON THE FUCKING DRAGON JOHN U GOT VISERION KILLED
I cant help it but the fact that literally everyone who is reacting is making the exact same face tyrion is making when dany starts burning the city is funny too me lol. Literally everyone's face looks just like tyrions when he shows on here
Daenerys Targaryen's inbreeding coefficient is 0.375. Charles the II, spains last Habsburg, who was impotent, drooled, mentally disabled and could barely walk had an inbreeding coefficient of 0.254. Just think about that one.
Everything she did was the exact opposite of this but lets forget about that. What had she been through that justfies the murder of hundreds of thousands of people.
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I like how everyone is so relieved when the bell rings, and their reaction when daenerys turns on the people...PRICELESS!
So much bad writing in this season, one of the greatest characters of television ruined in the end
Cersei was playing dirty the entire series and had her best friend decapitated in front of her, I wouldn't have trusted that "surrender" either.
The people agree. The problem is all the people she killed that didn’t have to be. They cuda just had her go for the queen. Terrible and lazy writing. So sad
That seems to be soo verdad, thanks for sharing, it seems the fiction of got. Neverevertheless
Beautiful Drogons supremely king Of the Dragons thru it all and loved if there wete no fierce bold mighty drogon, theyd all be dead to the ground pretty much throughout mostly all got Amzing how drogon burnt the throne into a thousand fierce fires to melt away the show the throne
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Yeah so the obvious and totally sane thing to do is commit genocide of countless innocent civilians
If it was about Cersei she would have burned the red keep only, not the entire town with civilian women and children
@@ange-celiaprisofils6338 Plus Dany Knew they was gonna pick Snow and bretayl was gonna happen to her again, I think the bells triggered her childhood PTSD
I am surprised how many people didn't see this coming. Without Missandei and Jorah to keep her in check - it was only a matter of time.
Indeed, without Jorah and Missandei and Tyrion betraying her or Jon being Jon so she doesn’t have anything left, just fire, because she’s a dragon.
It was poorly written and implemented but she did actually show signs of being willing to kill and madness in the past.
@@nuncapasaran9374 yes!!! This whole episode throws everything she did right out the window
Yes angry is okay and maybe a ruthless but not crazy mad queen all of a sudden.
The dumb writers literally got fired from their next project because of how they wrote these seasons
I feel like I was probably one of the only one few people during this scene who was like "Yessss, kill everyone!" 😅😅
Lol, I was doubting my morals because I was also cheering. 😅
Me 2 bro because we love dany verymuch
same lmaooo
@@bhanuOG also hate cersei
With u all the way.....people be saying....oh the dragon queen has gone mad ...hell no she got pissed off
Dany in seasons 1-7:
"I will not be queen of the ashes"
"I am a queen not a butcher"
Locks away all of her dragons after they kill a child
Dany in season 8:
S8 EP5 specifically: She is Super Hitler! The Hitler that FLLLIIIIIEEESSS!!
Not only that she literally saves the world from a Zombie apocalypse two episodes prior. So going from that to committing Genocide is stupid writing.
She locked away the dragons that didn’t do any harm though.
@@mijanhoque1740no it is not because she has always been genocidal.
@@jjh2456 No she hasn’t it’s terrible writing you doughnut 😂🤦🏻♂️. If she was genocidal then should have just left White Walkers kill everything and not help at all
As disappointing as the ending was I actually don't mind it. I think the biggest mistake of S8 was making it 6 episodes long. 10 episodes could have shown far more character development and shown more of Dany slowly going mad, 6 episodes made it feel rushed and is definitely why most people are upset by it. By far the worst part of S8 was making Bran king.
Ikr like why he cant even have kids, it was all a plot for the starks ngl , dan and dave made the buggest fuck up in tv history to the point that the author george hated them, and thats why he chose to write the prequels himself
True. Actually, I would have gladly accepted Dany being Mad and see her atleast rule as a mad queen to see her character officially change gears.
Yeah, it was definitely rushed, and given how much money they'd already put into the series as a whole, rushing it was unnecessary. Dani's character arc was always going to end up this way. If you pay attention from start to end, you can see her evolving in that direction, little by little, and Targaryen inbreeding made madness more of an eventuality than a possible family trait. Anybody hoping for a Disney ending in the GOT world was deluding themselves. The entire story is one brutal tragedy after another, with brief interludes of heroism from the "good guys."
I think the ending could have definitely been better written, but I'm not at all surprised about where it ended up. To be honest, before I finished the final episode, I thought sure the final scene would show Dani sitting on the iron throne with her dragon behind her, John beside her, and the Unsullied and Dothraki at her feet, in some Conan-like pull-back shot showing the Mad Queen presiding over the burning, twisted rubble of what used to be the red keep. Ready to rule the world by blood and fire. But, again, John's decision to end her wasn't a huge surprise.
Bran as king? I don't think I'd have gone there. King's/Queen's advisor maybe, given his "sight," but not king himself. Just didn't make sense, and made the rest of it all seem kind of lame.
I think most people are disappointed because they wanted to see Dani or John on the throne, or both, with Cersei hanging from the dragon's jaws, Jamie in a cell somewhere, Tyrion happily drinking and whoring in a brothel, and all the world rejoicing at the wondrous turn of events. But, again, that would not have been GOT.
Yep dude. You said all correct 😭the ending is screwed
Lol I just somewhat typed this then seen your comment! Definitely!
She was a young girl who saw so much tragedy. And seeing her BEST friend murdered in front of her. Remember how she walked off on that scene? She was never the same after that. And she did not grow up in King's Landing, I dont think she was as fond of keeping it as those who lived in westeros either. So she took out her rage on the one thing everyone wanted.
So if your culture is different from hers you deseved death? No wonder Varys tried to kill her.
Nonsense, she went from freeing slaves to murdering hundreds of thousands of people
You don’t go from saving the world from zombie apocalypse to mass genocide in a span of two episodes its retarded writing
Truth and it’s perfectly reasonable, horrible but reasonable, it is not a madness.
@@omairsh8 i think that at that point Dany just wanted Cersei to see the consequences of her actions by letting her rage take over and Drogon burn the whole city down, like the two of them were connected in grieve and just acted by anger. Was it right? Absolutely not, but it was well portrayed. The two of them stopped at the ring of the bells, but you can tell the moment Dany decided to show Cersei what she could do as a reaction to her trigger
Am I the only one who saw this and was just like, “well, they did kill her family. I’d be pretty fuckin pissed too”
Same
right and these are the people that cheered ned starks death
@@princess4pint you know that the Targaryens killed Ned's family, right?
Yeah and they killed Missandei... So... They deserved it.....
@@nicolasmanning1393no merecía morir gente inocente
Honestly if this is the way they wanted season8 to finish. They needed far more episodes than 6. We didn’t get enough of anything, from the battle of the night King, to Dynarys losing her head. Everything was so rushed it felt like I was missing episodes
Last word of Missandei...Dracarys!
Yessss and that's exactly what she after everyone turned there backs on her jon couldn't keep a secret to himself she lost the ones who were loyal to her it's funny how people get mad at her actions but were happy when cersei blew everyone up including innocent people not just people her own damn people I say they all had it coming js
Right, she kept her promise.
Better last word for Missandei would’ve been “Yoink!” and she placed a death-grip on Cersei’s arm and threw herself off the city walls.
“What- AaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!” **squish**
“…..right, so… what happens now?”
@@FreemanicParacusia 🤣
but now people already forgot about the pain Cersei brought to Dany, hiding behind the so called 'innocent people', all over the sadden, this war will come to end by a damn BELL. If you are innocent, what are you doing in the middle of war grounds? there you go girl, burn them all, I was with you when you were in pain, m still with you even now.
We all thought she was going to get Cersei.. man.. what did they do to this fantastic character ; I still haven't recovered from this mess..
which of characters fantastic? i hope not Cersei)
they did what they were supposed to do, the execution was the issue.
@@orianamedhestchanel3894 they are all fantastic characters, very few of them good. And even the good are killers.
dany was also exaclty like this haha. she took the most violent and selfish action in every turn unless stopped by her advisors, who were all either dead or she felt betrayed by.
@@cadem.1017 Exactly this, I don't see why people expected anything else, she has always been a ball of revenge
When she went "Mad King" on us it was heartbreaking, loved her character so much before this!!!
Don't fall for the writer's lack of skill. They could have done MUCH better than this. Fuck them.
After too
@nicolassantos3362 Nah, bad writing. Not even a decent villain 😂 little Joffrey is way better than this shit
@@nicolassantos3362ew no
She did NOT go "mad king"
A decade of pain, grief, suffering, tragedy all done to her in various ways.
She SNAPPED.
A "mad king" is what her father did.
Harmed people and got joy out of it.
They broke her to the point that all she could truly see is vengance.
All you need to do is look in Dany's eyes when the bells started tolling, she was reliving in her mind about everything that has happened to her, over the whole arc of the GOT story and culminating in the the execution of her best friend in front of her eyes at the hands of Cersei, her eyes then begin to flash with rage and if it could be put into words, her look simply says "I don't care anymore, everyone is going to pay the ultimate price today" then she quickly guides drogon high into the air and begins to rain down all of her pent up grief, fury, pain and vengeance onto everyone in King's Landing, innocence be damned. She's been pushed too far, she's completely lost it, she's snapped and the only thought in her head now is that she wants to watch the world (aka King's Landing) Burn.
Yep.
I don't see her as a "Mad Queen"
I see her for what she is.
A human pushed way beyond her breaking point.
I hate that it ended with her death instead of being able to get her to listen, to see reason.
No chance at all.
Even after ALL the chances she kept giving others.
They gave her NONE!
Why was it ok for everyone else to lose their ish and then cry for mercy and a second chance but because she snapped ONCE.
Now she has to die?
I HATE double standard bs.
To tell the truth I will never understand how people at the end hated Daenerys because of what she did, the writers of the series basically screwed up her character, they did things that are not even in the Books, and as George R.R Martin himself said they killed her character that in the Books is still alive, That said, I wonder what people expected her to do? After they killed the second Dragon, they decapitated the only or if not one of the people who mattered most to her in her life, she acted in the same way that a human being in real life would have done, kill everyone who She got in front, she was blinded by hatred, anger and revenge, they simply made her look like the Villain in history when the real villain was and always was Cersei, and if anyone has read the Books from another Perspective they know that That Throne from its core Was Cursed from the Beginning, a lot of blood was shed for that shitty throne, Many betrayals between relatives, that throne I repeat was cursed from the beginning
Yep.
I mean after everything she's lost, it's understandable. I'd snap too but I would only burn the castle.
That's not really how it works.
When you snap, you SNAP and EVERYONE/THING is in for it.
The madness was ALWAYS there....it just took enough tragedy and pain from loss to bring it out. When Cerci killed Misandai....that was the straw that broke the camel's back....Cerci had finally gone too far. No one was immune from her rage and madness after that...even Jon....and he knew it.
agree completely. She was a young girl who saw so much tragedy. And her finally saw her BEST friend murdered in front of her. Remember how she walked off on that scene? She was never the same after that. And she did not grow up in King's Landing, I dont think she was as fond of keeping it as those who lived in westeros either. So she took out her rage on the one thing everyone wanted.
It was not always there. She hammers on and on about not being the queen of the ashes, and then when she eventually does go mad there's no trigger that makes sense. The bells? how are they triggering her. The season was rushed and the writers completely forgot how to develop characters
@@HMSBreadnought yup. After
“the blood of my ennemies, not the blood of innocents”
“I will not be queen of Ashes. We will NOT attack King’s Landing.”
“I am not my father”
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they go and serve us this sh!t. The wound is not healed.
@@HMSBreadnought Yes it was.. People see what they want to see, Dany was not a good person, she had a good cause, definitely, but terrible values
She says she's not going to be queen of the ashes, until she's actually gets to that bridge. Humans do it all the time: I wont get drunk, gets drunk. I wont get mad, gets mad. Id never let my kid do that, lets their kid do that. I wont get addicted, gets addicted.
Her advisors knew it was a slippery slope to tyranny and she ignored them anyway, she was saying what she and the others wanted to believe, but when push came to shove, she handles it exactly the same way as she always had, by killing people. So yes, this is how Dany is meant to be, if you wanted a Mary Sue, youve still got Aria, the worst written character of seasons 6, 7 and 8.
@@cloudnyne4663 You're telling me that Dany, who spent 5 or 6 seasons freeing slaves across an entire continent, who locked up her dragons after a single innocent life was lost, who made all of her unsullied freemen, who decided to negotiate with Cersei in order to save humanity first; always had the signs of being a tyrant? This wad bad writing and made worse by the fact that it had no trigger other than the bells. And on top of that afterwards they give her Hitler imagery, which we had never seen before from her.
People are upset at this because they came to love Dany. I loved Dany too, but that reaction of hers is kind of logical if you look back at all the killings she's done. This is a breaking point, where she just "snaps". Like Star Wars, where Anakin Skywalker turns to the dark side, Dany's anguish has been building up every season.
Good comparison. Danaerys is Anakin in many ways. People don’t wanna admit it but Anakin was always more appealing than Obi Wan or anyone else in the force.
Nah bro, this is bad writing, i understand your ficked reason, but season 1-7 she especially says "i will not rule ashes", so sad, a greater character broken by writers with shit in their heads.
@@alexandrealencarm8844 Even Anakin fought for the good for awhile
@@alexandrealencarm8844no it made a lot of sense. You have to remember that her best friend died before this and so did her dragon .. if you watch the show you would know that her mercy has limits even Tyrion said it. I wasn’t shocked at all with her response ofcourse it doesn’t make it right nor am I justifying it but from psychological standpoint yeah this is a pretty accurate reaction from all trauma leading up to this. At the very end of the series she became unrecognizable to the rest of the characters and that was the whole point. Bran becoming king was pretty forced though I believe that is pretty bad writing
The Targaryen madness inside her is unleashed
Not a single reactor in this vid, had the same reaction a few others and myself had, IDK if I should get help or just question my lack of sympathy for that kingdom.
Danny still rules, my Queen u rock!!💖
You and me both. I would've done the same. After all those years of trying to build a name for myself and helping nations, then....losing two of my "kids", seein' my best friend killed, muhfkaz conspiring behind my back, knowing that no one would ever REALLY support me as ruler of the Seven Kingdoms when it was all said and done.....fk it....burn this bitch to the fkn GROUND.
i mean kings landing is considered a disgusting city filled with poverty and liars anyways id do the same oops XD
"What is she doing?"
Targaryen things.
FALSE!
i love dany shes my favorite character from the saga, but daenerys was always meant to go "dark". she was truly the last targaryen, in the sense she believed she was above everyone else, and she was right in a way, her connection with magic and dragons, the fact she survived twice the pyres. and more importantly she had a dragon at her will, there was no one more powerful than her in the world by the end of the war. when jon asks her what about the other people, she dismisses them as non important in what they want, thats why jon decides to kill her, she was too powerful and she could do anything she wanted. its horrible they rushed the ending since it could have been so much more. but people really didnt listen when she said in previous seasons she would burn cities to the ground when her dragons would grow up, the fire was always in her.
She said the latter as her group with baby drsgons were starving in the heat and would die if they didnt enter Qarth, so that aint foreshadowing for burning a city of innocent people when her whole thing is standing up for the little man
The issue is the way it was executed, not necessarily the decision to do it. It COULD have worked, but you need time and development to take such a beloved character and change them in such a way that something like this is believable. The change here is literally a few episodes (at most) and that's it.
She wasn't like this from the start. There was nothing to indicate this. The writers were lost without the final book and they needed a strong climax that will crown the show at its climax. If ONLY they took a bit more time to make her slowly descend into madness and darkness, she would've been the best villain ever written.
There are so many things that happened in the show that did not happen in the books. Daenerys locked her own dragons up because one child was murdered, yet this same person is the one who would burn a whole city to the ground, including children? She is reflective of her actions throughout the books, compared to someone like Cersei who doesn't care about anyone. She could have attacked Kingslanding ages ago but she stays for the people, if she was power-hungry why would she do that when she could just take her army and three dragons and just attack? In the books when Daenerys goes to Qarth, she's welcomed in, whereas in the show she gives a whole speech about "burning cities to the ground", which doesn't even happen in the books. She doesn't burn or feed men to her dragons - doesn't happen in the books. She is a mother to her people, and she goes out to protect them, she states "Why do the gods make kings and queens, if not to protect the ones who can't protect themselves?" She fights against slavery and kills Slavers (which is a great thing, nobody misses them) and fought for their freedom (though that freedom can be questioned). She has her brother Viserys killed, but he was an abuser even if you read through those chapters she's so sympathetic towards him, she tries her best to accommodate her abuser and he tries to kill her baby and that was the final straw; but throughout the books, she still is haunted by his death. The only thing that was a grey area was when she crucified the masters because they crucified children, but she thinks it was justice for what they did because among those crucified were those who were innocent and against slavery; but afterwards she regrets it when she smells their bowels and blood. Daenerys states, "I want to make my kingdom beautiful, to fill it with fat men and pretty maids and laughing children. I want my people to smile when they see me ride by, the way Viserys said they smiled for my father." I don't think Daenerys in the books is going to systematically massacre and commit genocide after they surrender to her. There will definitely be collateral damage but not in the way the show depicted it. George R R Martin is setting up Cersei to be the mad queen, it's so blatant in the books, don't think he needs Daenerys to be another mad queen - I could be wrong but it just doesn't follow her narrative arc in my opinion.
@@princeamir9235 I dont think Daenerys is meant to be the Mad Queen. I think she's meant to be the fallen hero from the books. Yes, she has good intentions, even in the show I believe she died thinking what she did was the right thing. I don't think Daenerys is evil or Martin wrote her that way, but I think he also purposely wrote Daenerys chapters only from her POV so we can't really judge her actions from outside. I think when she will arrive to Westeros her view of right and wrong will differ a lot with other main characters.I think what happened in the show was a breaking point, she was not in her best state of mind, I don't think she did it of intentional malice but more of a violent breakdown. The thing she's just too powerful and her actions can be too destructive. Still, this is just speculation since the books aren't out and they probably won't be out in a long time.
Go back to when Misande was beheaded, her best friend and her man Greyworm watched it happen! But before Gregor removed her head, Misande said “Dracarus”! It all makes sense put in that perspective!
Yeah, that was the narrative season 8. But when you go back to the first 6-7 seasons when Dany was for the people, and didn’t kill innocents on a massive scale but rather corrupt elites, it’s hard not to question why she wouldn’t just fly up and kill Cersei, or at least just burn down the red keep. She became pretty ruthless early on but destroying an entire city felt out of character imo
It makes sense narratively, but with the way her character has been portrayed thus far, it needed time before it could happen. As it stand, at the point in the story from which it happens, it makes absolutely no sense.
@@sleepy3151 Didn't kill innocent people 🤣
@@HollowKnight19 Can you identify a moment before season 8 where she killed innocents on a massive scale?
Literally no build up to this. Danny has been through so fucking much, and never has been swayed to do something like this. All in the span of one episode she decides to go full crazy? Lol
You gotta think about how Cersei slaughtered her son and her best friend. Then suddenly dany's expected to play nice when they surrender.
Their surrender meant Missendei and Rhaegal died for nothing.
I am at peace with the ending.
Mata a Cersei y listo, no quemes gente inocente
I actually wanted her to do that hahaha
I actually scroll down the comment section to find a cmt like this lol
@7:17 'Why did you just throw her entire, like, all her values away?'
The question we've all been asking.
You have Cersei blowing up the trial which is a masterpiece and then you have Daenerys going insane over 3 episodes and people that were convinced that the writers knew this was coming from season one. Lmao.
she didnt go insane over 3 episodes though.....if you pay attention, she gets more and more brutal and tyrannical every season
@@IGetWetInHD She was never tyrannical enough to kill innocent people. Everyone who she killed in previous seasons had wronged her in some way. The truth is, we needed another 2 seasons of her becoming even more tyrannical for this Mad Queen bs to work
@@IGetWetInHD yes but never in a sadistic way
@@IGetWetInHD the same way every single character in got did? Cersei killing people left and right, Tyrion killing his father and paramour, Tywin ending two houses, Robb killing his own men but oh no all of those are justified but Daenerys killing slavers isn't. What a load of garbage
@@alebelen4255 She wanted to listen to the witch woman scream in agony while burning to death in season 1, all because the witch woman killed a brutal rapist who enslaves innocents (Drogo), and killed her unborn child, who was destined to be an even bigger villain than Drogo.
You can definitely argue that killing an unborn child is itself evil, but Dany's response was definitely sadistic. Same as locking people in a vault to die a slow, horrific death from asphyxiation.
honestly cersei deserved to watch her city burn. i wish she would’ve burned the city without the people? but at the same time. a lot of people happened bc of her. 1 of her dragons died for cersei, one of them were killed by cersei, jorah essentially died because cersei wouldn’t help the land of the living fight the dead. massendei was killed by cersei. cersei threatened daenerys’ last child. and there were a lot of other factors that played into this like how almost all of her trusted advisors or people she trusted betrayed her. it’s a lot. i would’ve burned the city the moment they killed rhaegal. i really wouldn’t care. if she chose to put all those people at risk then she wanted them to die. that’s that
Tell me you don't get the point of the story without telling me you don't know the point of the story
and that's why because of the way this happened in the show, she needed to be killed. Sad it was jon but it needed to happen. Imagine having a queen that at the moment she's mad or hurting she decides to burn entire towns and innocent people instead of going specifically for the people who did something to her. Like imagine someone in the north insults her and she says "let's burn the north" like damn
@@koki84ji7 you must beware of people who refuse to do any self reflection.
No, regardless of what cersei did, this was wrong on all accounts. Daenerys became worse than Cersei when she did this😂😂😂
Ya know something, it's not so much that she suddenly snapped but that the lack of editing made it worse. That scene where they show a close up of her on the dragon was a perfect opportunity to show flash backs of all the people she loved and cared for being killed. It would've helped make sense of what was to come
Yesssssss exactly
I didnt need the flashbacks. Way back in season 1, Drogo talked about raping and pillaging Westeros, and Dani smiled. Based on that, and a bunch of other stuff Dani said and did over the years, Dani's burning of Kings Landing, was a tragic but not a big surprise. If she had been merciful, that would have been surprising to me.
It's strange, we can't see her after the bells rang. There was rumors that Emilia didn't know all this, she thought she was killing just Lannisters armies.
@@paolarosichetti899 wow 😯 really?
@@SJB2000 they was just rumors... But I believe that it's true
Why? Because these people (their culture) are the reason she has been in exile, has gone through hell, lost her best friend, lost two of her dragons, they won’t even thank her for risking her life to fight the walkers, they were already looking at Jon to replace her, etc…
Nothing excuses this kind of action, She deserves the worst death
This moment really changed this show for me. What a way to ruin an otherwise amazing character arc for Dany. I’ll never forgive them for this.
I will never understand this view....she had mad queen tendencies from season 1
@@that.ll_do_pig you are exactly right. All these "fans" were just pissed cuz it's not what they wanted. If they actually watched the series as a whole and not fawned over Dany they would have seen in coming.
@@mikeymartinez8677 👏🏻👏🏻Fffff-ingggg thank you! I hate how ppl ignore her decent into madness. I knew this was coming the moment she told jon to kneel.
When they butchered the dorne plotline in season 5, I pretty much checked out and took the show as an epic fanfic.
@@des_18 the last seasons were just a sad fanfiction of the books
The show was damn near perfect till this final season. Soo many amazing character developments and arcs just thrown away... Sad because the following and support GOT had was out of this world. Let's hope they don't mess up House of the dragon.
dunno which show you're talking about but game of thrones' quality dropped heavily during season 5, and by 6 it was a bad show. it got worse but it was not near perfect before season 8. seasons 1-4 you could make an argument for
@@henhicktaimon youre entitled to your own opinion. I enjoyed all of them. except season 8 lol
@@henhicktaimon I agree with you, quality dropped incredibly. The only thing that kept me watching was to see Daenerys get the crown she worked for, but they decided to kill all her loved ones and allies and make her go mad and then betrayed by a "north man" who is and will always be true to his world. They made her go full Hitler by the end.
Which character arcs were 'thrown away'?
@@SerbAtheist um, John Snow? Denaereys, and Jamie's.
"Well there goes her whole character arc." Yes, sir. That just about sums it up.
Character arc? Look back to the earlier seasons. Those dragons were used to intimidate and execute people.
@@annbowen9656 right?! She never had any qualms about using the dragons to kill others. Even in one of the earlier seasons she told Tyrion that she was going to burn down cities with her dragons.
@@sonofmoss Yep
@@annbowen9656 No one on the show has qualms about murdering people lol. Daenerys should somehow be different because she has dragons?
@@miguelmahecha88 ask Harren the Black what Aegon did when he conquered Westeros
This is the part I have the least problems with. Daenerys' cruel and impulsive side was established way in the beginning, and she gradually got more and more accustomed to burning everyone in front of her alive. Her going mad was always foreshadowed, even if the execution felt a bit abrupt in the end.
She always said that she would burn as many cities as necessary. It was said and done
No it made no sense. She has liberated too many people to start burning thousands of innocents. Thats not her way.
Except all of the times she said she was not there to be queen of the ashes. Or all the times she said she would not hurt the innocent. Locking her dragons away for accidentally killing a child. She remained in Essos for the sole purpose of freeing people from slavery. Conquering city after city- without unleashing fire and death onto its inhabitants. She set aside her own desire for the iron throne- to help the people of Yunkai, and Mereen, and the rest of freehold so that they wouldn’t slip back into chains. She was reminded over and over the atrocities her father committed, and every time she condemned his actions- assuring her advisors that she was not her father. Aside from Jon, Daenerys was one of the only characters that actually considered how her actions might affect the lives of innocent people. So much so, that they called her their Mother. She set aside her desire for the throne to save Westeros and the North from the Night King- sacrificing most of her armies and a dragon in the process. What other characters sacrificed more than Daenerys? Yes, she had the potential for darkness- as did every other main character! Arya’s entire mission in life was to become a skilled assassin and avenge her enemies through murder. Sansa almost killed her own sister because she was a threat to her position. Jon murdered a fellow brother of the nights watch so he could infiltrate the wildlings. Tyrion used wildfire to burn thousands of men, he also threatened to poison everyone in kings landing, and strangled the woman he loved because she betrayed him. Bran was arguably the worst of them all because he knew what would happen and did nothing to prevent it- so that in the end-he could sit the iron throne. Brienne, the Hound, Jamie, Bronn, all of them have murdered people, for one reason or another. Do we consider those moments of darkness for them as proof they were destined for evil? No, because that’s not character development.
@@jonathanl9229 Commendable essay.
Everyone kills. Some out of necessity, some out of duty, personal revenge, etc.
I think Daenerys posessed a unique combination of vengeful bitterness and entitlement. While she was kind to the innocent, she treated her enemies with excessive cruelty to her deep satisfaction, and always on the scale of conquest.
"I'm not my father" was a sort of mantra, always spoken with threatening command, but half her actions showed that half of her WAS her father. She had to consciously veer herself towards kindness and reason many times. "I won't be queen of the ashes" were Tyrion's words, which she repeated as a new mantra, to keep, as he once said, her worst impulses in check.
Whenever Daenerys set aside her own mission to assist others, she would experience loss and pain in return. Maybe when she finally got what she was after and heard those bells, the realization hit her that none of it was worth it. Countless friends and two dragons lost, all for this strange foreign city in front of her. These people think they were worth her sacrifices? Damn them all to hell.
Nah bro, this was not established in the beginning, you are trying to put something in your narrative, just read the books, or whatches the show again, is not that hard
5:20 can we just talk about this spear throw for a minute? Do you see how he loaded that up before he threw it. Mad skills!!!
Dany going crazy was something that was obvious from season 1
but her descent into madness should have been stretch on 1-2 seasons.
it was.......she's been slowly going mad since drogo died.....
@@IGetWetInHD stop justifying this mess ppl
@@ShayaN9776 we're not it's how it is told in the books and how the show adapted it. People seem to remember only the good in her but she had ambition + stubbornness + violence + entitlement. From season 3 to 8 she always choose violence first before being advised otherwise by the different good people that surround her, she gets more and more brutal and tyrannical every season
@@ShayaN9776 So it is a certainty that this would happen, but the show made it dumb because there's no transition whatsoever. In the books she's still at the events of season 5 and she already shows signs of madness
@@MeraHarch we're not talking about the books, we're talking about the show. Plus the books aren't even finished. None of what she did in the earlier seasons leading up to it has convinced me that she was destined to become the mad queen. And don't say "you weren't paying attention."
She finally snapped and let the anger out. Cant hate her for it
I think Daenerys did the right thing! A loved one betrayed her, her best friend was killed before her eyes, and two children were also killed .... King's Landing is saturated with evil, so she decided to destroy it! Bravo Danny! You did everything right!
Acting like other GoT characters haven't been through hardships too lmao and they didn't go mad💀 This scene destroy her character development
@@adinab478 everyone went crazy in their own way, the characters are individual. Would you like the mother of dragons to be less ferocious? Then why does she need fiery children?)
🎀I agree. 🎀
@@adinab478 🎀She had nothing. Not even Jon wanted her in the end. When you have nothing what have you got left to lose?🎀
@@autumnhomer9786 I wouldn't say Jon didn't want her, he still loved her but was weirded out by the aunt situation (he should've been there for her tho), but it's still completely out of character for her to burn women and children when they surrendered. She could've just gone for the Red Keep and get her revenge there.
I knew she was gonna do it and I don't blame her. Dany lost everyone the last straw was when Jon turned her down. I loved Dany to much she deserved so much better
Although the pain of everything Daenherys had suffered from humiliation since they fled from Kingslanding was noticeable and there were already small moments where he showed that he would have some of his father's madness, it would have been better if he first looked for Cercei in the castle and burn it; and that the monster knocks her down from the dragon and that is where her revenge has just begun for being humiliated again by people from Kingslanding, there it could be better understood that her total madness is unleashed.
And I was like, "kill em all"😂
Okay , the first time I saw it I was shocked , yes. Dany is by far my fav character in this show and it made me sad because the change of behavior was way too sudden in my opinion. At the beginning I couldn't understand why she'd do such a thing but actually , when we think about it , she was alone. I mean she lost 2 of her dragons , Jorah , Missandei and a lot of allies... she also knew that people in Westeros didn't love her the way people in Essos did. Daenerys probably knew she wouldn't have been able to rule correctly , people were just afraid and didn't like her at all so it would have been chaos ngl. We can agree and say that she went completely mad at the end. I didn't want to say it at first because I couldn't understand what just happened... I think that they should have developed Dany's mental health getting worse on a longer period of time. I mean they kinda rushed the show and that's why most people don't understand why the mother of dragons would do that.
Anyways I hope what I said is understandable lol :)
@Frankie Byrbe Yeeeah gotta agree with you here. Even if they did wanna go the "mad" route, they rushed the hell out of it to the point where it makes no sense. The writers get no forgiveness for this.
They could have made this make sense, but the idiots in charge were so burnt out they just rushed as fast as they could to this moment.
what doesnt make sense? You not understanding it doesnt mean it doesnt make sense lol
I didnt have a problem with her death but I felt it was rushed. This would've worked way better as a ten episode season. It seems one minute she just loses it. Also, after the battle with the Night King any battle with Cersei would be an after thought.
It's odd to see so many people talk about this being a surprise. Danny crucified people. She burned people alive. The only thing that ever held her back was her advisors and her most trusted ones died or were consumed with revenge. She was increasingly detached in the final season as more and more people from Westeros didn't adore her. Losing Misande of Narth was the final straw. Like she told John, "It's fear then" in reference as to whether to rule through fear or love. She went crazy just like her father. Not the ending we all wanted, but the bread crumbs were absolutely there.
Yeah did you watch the same show she crucified people for a reason you saw those kids right and at the end she lost everything for nothing it wasn’t worthy anymore all the things she gave for nothing
"Danny crucified people"
As punishment for those same people (Slave masters btw) doing that very same thing to slave children. Judging by her quote of "i will answer injustice with justice", it doesn't look to be vengeance.
"She burned people alive"
They were almost always her enemies or she had logical rationale to do so. Besides, Stannis did the same and we often talk about how much of a fair man he is.
"The only thing that held her back was her advisors"
Apart from that time in S5 when Daario advised her to kill all the masters to stop the Sons of the Harpy and she instead decided to adopt a diplomatic approach of marrying Hizdahr.
"She was increasingly detached...,"
Mostly based on Propaganda spread by Cersei and valid distrust from Northerners for what happened to Ned's brother and father when they went south to meet the her father. But i mean, she was conquering their lands. She should have known they'd fear her. Besides, winning the throne via conquest would still be valid anyway.
Personally, i think everything you mentioned can be explained. What i can't find an explanation for is why she would purposefully burn innocent people when Cersei, her true enemy and the only one with power able to rival her's, is within reach.
@@LFC_Fan23 I blame HBO for not having more time to show the decent into madness, but in short the line Danny says to John about ruling through Love or Fear is what explains her decision to roast King's Landing. When John refuses her, she says "Fear then". She was always prone to be impulsive and had just burned Varrus alive for the crime of knowing who the true successor should be AND was dealing with a lot of trauma from Mesande and Jora dying. She was not at baseline or stable when she made that choice.
I truly understand people's confusion or anger at this plot twist, but since when did GOT do things that the people wanted? If they did Rob and Ned never would've died in the first place and John Snow would be king.
@@jameshurley9551 it’s not madness idiot. It’s anger and the need for revenge.
@@aranielleb7718 George RR Martin said the show just needed more episodes to show Danny's decent into madness. Go take it up with him. Have a nice day and maybe don't lead with insults. It reflects poorly on you as an individual.
"Dracarys!" Missandei's last word before they beheaded her in front of the Queen's army at the gates of King's Landing. The Queen honored her most loyal and faithful servant's dying wish. I would do the same.
The only thing I wish that had happened was a Cersei VS Dany inside the Red Keep. Drogon busts the walls open to see Cersei sitting on the throne. Dany approaches with Drogon behind her and Cersei curses Daenerys calling her a Mad Queen.
- I am Mad? You were happy to let everyone in Westeros die to the White Walkers because of your hunger for this throne that’s never been yours in the first place.
- And unfortunately you survived.
Daenarys burning the city was foreshadowed since season 1. They always talked about the Mad King ranting "burn them all!" Of course it comes full circle and the Mad Queen burns them all.
Am I the only one cheering everytime when Danny killing everyone 😍😍😍💋
Yes
@@kaylak169 no
The theme of the entire series was that no one is totally good or evil
Sorry but Dany did the right thing. Cersei was arrogant. The people in King’s landing are stupid and arrogant to believe those walls or Cersei could protect them from a dragon. Cersei in her stupidity played dirty and thought Daenerys has principles to just forget and move on from her killing off the most important people in her life. She would have saved her life and the people had she humbled down at the first place and did not kill Messandei. This is all Cersei’s doing. And the blame should all to her. That surrender has even made Dany more mad because she was meaning to burn everyone by not looking bad had the bell not rung. But when the bell rang, she simply showed her pent up anger and couldn’t let Cersei win by portaying her as calculated defeat. Daeny making statement to Cersei, you thought I was an angel huh? Just accept your defeat and not kill these people you weaponize against me. I’ll kill them all, this city of yours and you’ll know fear like you’ve never seen before. And there goes! 😂
Bruh! You didn't even watch gOT🤣
The lady in the last react clip: ' why'd you just throw all her values away like that?' Was my reaction too. 😅
Most people seem to say that Dany turned mad in the span of two episodes. For me I believe it was somewhere late in season 7 that I started to feel that a possible heel turn was on the horizon. They were subtle but apparent signs that she would do something to the effect and the absute final straw was when Cersei ordered to behead Missandei. I still feel that it was a a little rushed and could've easily ran into a 9th season with how fast things progressed. As far as Bran being king, It was very meh. Westeros turning somewhat into a democracy was an ok turn of events I suppose. Everything just felt a little anticlimactic to me. Still one of the best series I've ever watched right up there with Sopranos and Breaking bad
The literal first episode of the entire show suggested that she was going to be the final villain. Madness runs in the family and she had no discipline in her upbringing. She ended up just like her brother.
The way everyone just tough she was going for Cersei instead it tells you how much they fuck up Danny last season nobody believed in her madness ahhh still mad how they tried to ruin her in 1 episode like yes she is mad wtf
I feel like Im the only one rooting for her till the end. Burn them all. Love the Queen of the Ashes!
Same, obviously it's awful, but completely understandable why she behaved the way she did.
Exactly. I don’t get why people are giving Cersei the green card for everything she did but the moment Dany does it, it’s a problem.
unapologetically same lmao, as truly awful as s8 was with its decisions this is one of the very very few good parts lmao
@@kiandronootto Cersei was always evil, it's not excused but its understandable because of her character arc. Dany though, she's always been for the people, she's always wanted the innocent to back her but then she massacres an entire city full of innocent people? Doesn't make sense.
I’ve rewatched the show a few times and going back it’s clear to see this is where she was heading since the beginning. She was always crazy but because she was using it for “good” people ignored it. If you rewatch you can see that all the “good” she did was always self serving and all the while she was being enabled and emboldened without checks and balances, getting away with a little more each time. She was a mad narcissist the whole time and the enables helped fortify and strengthen her until she became a dictator.
Exactly. I mean people were actually disappointed but forgot that's what game of thrones did every season, they killed the favorite characters.
No, she was good through out most of the series, it was shown over and over that she really did care about innocent people and did not want to be like her father. You can't just change who the character really was just to suit the ending.
@@haselbasil2488 she was crucifying people in one of the earlier seasons. Like when you saw her do that, that’s when you should’ve gotten a clue she ain’t all there. People like you would’ve fallen for all the despots like in Germany, Italy, and Spain in the decade before WWII.
Thank you. I'm glad some people out there weren't so enamored by her charisma and epic speeches that they blinded themselves to all the cruel and self-serving things she did through the entire series.
People complain that she 'suddenly' turned bad at the end, but she was showing glimpses of it all the way back in Season 1. But rather than acknowledge it, they're all bitter about their 'slay Queen' not being the hero Goddess they'd been duped into worshipping.
They thought they were watching a hero's journey, and threw a tantrum when they realized they were tricked into rooting for a villain during their origin story.
@@TheMonkeyShowOnline the problem was the origen story- absolutely. First season she seemed innocent until she let her clearly mentally ill brother get murdered by her raping/killing husband. I got over her real fast.
"My Queen, they have surrendered!"
Dany - "Hell nah, homie. They will all burn".
I truly love how a lot of people react to Daenerys burning King's Landing but fail to react to the Northern troops and the Vale killing surrendered soldiers and innocent civilians.
To be fair, they are just foot soldiers following their commanders lead
7 seasons of daenery’s character build up thrown to the trash in 1 episode . people will be salty of course
@@LFC_Fan23 to be fair Jon Snow didn't follow. They did what they wanted to do. It shows that and nothing less.
Ehhh surrendered Lanisters but I get your point
In the words of Baylish, "If you think this has a happy ending, you hav'nt been paying attention."
While not the best season, it should have been no suprise Danerys went absolutely crazy in the end after all the stories of her father burning them all.
Why was dany labelled a mad queen but aegon was labelled a conquerer when they did the same thing basically🤣🤣
History is written by the Victors besides aegon never attacked at city of innocents after they have surrendered.
Nope
It took me all these years to realize that Dany was fullfilling Missandei's last wish. Her last word was Dracarys.
Dracarys - last word.
She witnessed how her good friend beheaded in front of her. Her dragon was killed in front of her. A full army was promised to her to fight against whitewalkers but only came Jaime. So people should stop asking “why”. She did the right thing. She even had a talk but then Cersei is also arrogant. For just this incident people forgot how she managed to get those Army. How she freed a lot of people from slavery. All because of hardwork.
All of that could have made sense if she just went after Cersei and the Red Keep. Destroying the city doesn't square up with any of her previous ruthless actions.
Lol she did the right thing? I pray that you never get in any position of power because you're the type of person who would take your frustrations out on innocent people
@@comeatmebro8120 daenerys ate💋
@@comeatmebro8120 Seriously. People cheering Dany burning the city down is all the proof needed to those who say it was 'out of her character'. Dany has been a fan magnet for exactly the kind of people the show warns us against.
I wasn't really surprised, a kill frenzy was pretty much certain when her friend got her head lopped off.
I find it weird that people didn't see Dany hasn't been losing her mind for two seasons before this.
ya, i dont get it either. Id say even earlier though. Like each season she gets more and more brutal and tyrannical
Exactly, when she torched the Tarly's, I immediately said "villian arc." Too bad cuz Dany torching King's landing almost felt like a victory for Cersei somehow
@@IGetWetInHD it’s still incredibly rushed though. Her character is almost unrecognizable in seasons 7-8 as her arc begins to speed run to a conclusion. She was always going to go mad and I knew that, and it’ll be amazing in the books, but D&D handled it terribly. Her character arc in s8 is not believable at all, as well as most other characters in season 8
"the vision Bran..." well that was the vision 😂 I can't
So awesome how this show can make you:
Love a character and then later hate the character.
Hate the character and then later love the character.
Not really care for a character and then later be heart broken when they die.
I used to imagine the shock on viewers faces, but now I get to see it 😌🍷
Her Father said to Burn Them All
Like father, like Daughter
#Danymyqueen
D&D certainly knew how to completely f up a great and legendary show.
The guys immediate reaction "that's trash". Sums it up perfectly.
WHAT, WHAT ARE DOING. Perfectly summarizes season 8.
See I actually will say I didn't mind the end of this show and people who could stop going "Oh pretty face!" Would realise Lass was snapping from the beginning like......They kept saying how it runs in the family man!
idk i am with dany on this one. they took everything and everyone from her so it’s only right. 🤝🏽😌
Same also in war innocents die all the time, it can't be avoided.
true that I understand her feeling the bells were just annoying and even more maddening😅
@@alicepie3660 This could've been avoided. You know, by not burning innocent people alive. You people have garbage morality systems
I know people like to go "she went mad like mad King" arc.. but I honestly feels Daenerys would never ever do this. They completely botched it up.. Both Tolkien and GRRM has put great thought in power and how it affects people.. power enhances your innet qualities. Daenerys had dragons on her command, that's the greatest power one is ever gonna get and she knows it, she avoids using it until it's necessary. I could have accepted it if Viserion was alive and let's say Sansa was riding it.. Sansa has real memories of atrocities in red keep and with new found epitome of power, she could snap and burn city. But Dany, not at all convincing. She locked her children after seeing a burnt kid. This storyline was never gonna work.
Remember guys George RR’s favourite characters are the grey characters :)
P.s am I the only one who likes Daenerys turning into this? Albeit I would prefer to make it a bit longer so that we can see a gradual peak.
I feel like I'm the only person that wasn't shocked. I saw this coming from season 1. But then I'm weird.
yes you are cuz... is not well justified , i mean yeah she has passed so many things during the whole series but she was able to learn from those experiences and even ... she mentioned " i im not here to be queen of the ashes " that is the point when we all get that dany is not going to repeat madking acts .... well fuck that
I feel like if the 'madness' is in you, as it was in some of her family including her, then the writers should have shown that from season 1. She transformed in to the mad queen over too short of a period!
thats what I think, like the arc to mad queen wouldnt have been that bad if they wouldve actually built up to it.
They did show it from the beginning. All the signs were there but people ignored the madness because they thought she was doing it for good.
@@oliviasturgeon7256 Except when she freed slaves? Even gave the unsullied a choice to leave.
Did she just free the slaves? = Heroic
Or did she also kill, crucify and feed nobles to her dragons? = Fucking lunatic
She locked her handmaid and and Xaro up in a vault to go mad an starf to death.
Dany was always ruthless. Her violent impulses were tempered by her advisors. She adapted to please those people because she cared for and loved them. They're all gone, and all died honorably, but horribly. So I didn't think her actions here were out of character or a break from her character arc. She acted on an impulse and was too far removed from others at this point to really care about diplomacy, peace, or anything other than fear and pain.
She forgave Varys for what he did under Robert's commands. She forgave Jorah when he came to rescue her from the Dothraki. There were other times she showed mercy without someone telling her so. She had some evil impulses, ok. You could even say that she liked burning some people alive, but not innocent people. This is completely different. She's never hurt innocent people, not a single one.
Thanks for the reply. The two most devastating losses for Dany have to be Mormont and Selmy. Selmy died, at least indirectly, because she took a city relatively peacefully. She also upended the entire economic system of that city and suffered greatly from the backlash that always happens when a leader does such things. So fast forward to King's Landing; she's taking a city and seeking to upend the social and dynastic cycles that have led to rampant corruption. A peaceful transition of power would be ideal but would also be a tough sell for someone who has already seen the dire effects of radically changing societal systems. As wrong as they may be, those systems have been in place for generations and a lot of people will lose wealth, standing, or prestige from such a change. It will have a great deal of repercussions yet again... unless they are too afraid to do so. Without Mormont or Selmy there to turn her from such lines of thought, indeed, the fact that they aren't there at all makes the scene believable to me. She and her cause have suffered greatly because of her clemency; therefore, fear, arguably the easier but more terrible route, is chosen.
@@georger8133 I noticed that in the last two seasons the writing of her character had completely changed. A turn of 360. I read that Martin had confidentially told the two idiots that she was going crazy in the books, so in the course of work they completely rewrote Daenerys (it is also noticeable in Emilia Clarke's acting, as if there was something that did not convince her in her character).
For 6/7 seasons she was the hero, the hope that came from Essos (in season 7 she literally says "I'm not here to be the queen of the ashes").
Losing Jorah and Missandei does not justify what she did, insanity is something else (like killing 2 people, cutting them into pieces and putting them in a cake).
THANK YOU!!!! She NEVER changed, her people held her in check! How many times did she intend to slaughter people or outright did? How many times were she told otherwise? She was ALWAYS insane, she was just controlled. Everyone controlling her was dead her. It was intended from the starts, pretty, sexy, strong, confident, and absolutely batshit crazy. It just sucks that people ingore the latter.
Thanks for the reply. I was just thinking about some of the moments from the show where Dany made choices when dealing with those who oppose her. She burned a temple with a bunch of men inside. Granted they were terrible and stood in the way of her ascent to power, but yeah, that wasn't dragon fire, they wouldn't have died quickly at all. She ordered the Unsullied to massacre their former masters. Yes, evil is punished and the enslaved are free. But I wonder how guilty someone is by surviving and profiting from a system over which they have no control and no means to change. Even the unarmed onlookers were killed in this instance. She orders the summary execution of the slaver leadership. Again, they were bad men and represented a major hurdle to her maintaining her power base. So, the judgement was passed, and throats were slit. I could also talk about the execution of the Tarley men and wonder if enemy soldiers are guilty of anything for refusing to defect and remaining loyal to their leadership. That probably falls into the timeframe you're talking about, so I won't address it further. I guess my point is she probably was more brutal than perhaps we, the supportive viewers, assume she is, especially when viewed from different perspectives.
My reaction exactly. Daenerys could have burnt the city, but as a byproduct of her attack setting off the Wildfire her father hid under kings landing, not deliberately. And maybe Cersei could be the mad queen that actually trapped the city with wildfire and as daenerys attacked it would trigger an explosion. We saw cersei liked using wildfire and didn't care about civilians.
And this is exactly what will happen in the books. In the show all the Wildfire it's already exploded.. 🙄
You can see the exact moment they all realise the writers screwed the show
But they didnt. They just wrote it horribly. But danys madness was obvious from season 2 and her vision in the tower of the dead.
@@des_18 if you call The house of Undying *the tower of the dead*
you didn't understand a 💩
@@des_18 Yes, they wrote it horribly because they rushed it. That's called screwing the show.
@@ventusbruma1039 exactly there’s a reason this show is now regarded as one of the biggest ending let downs in ages
DAENERYS after hearing the bills , you know what father was right after all , burn them all , burn them all
can u make a reaction vid when daenerys dragons are born? a lot of people didnt expect it and it made for some really great reactions
this will never not be funny to me. people were actually shocked by this. madness lol
Missandei told her to Burn it down.
As soon as Cersei Lannister soldiers threw their weapons down, then the bell ringed, I thought it was a trap based on everything Cersei has done throughout the series. It could had been a trap, that's why I don't know why, John Snow & others were so trusting when they did it.
(in the voice of Chancellor Palpatine): Do it! Oh no, are they going to surrender without a good burn? Danny, do it regardless. Why are you flying him without fire? He needs to be warmed up for the Red Keep! Finally, there you go, that's a good Queen and a brave Dragon! Go go go, keep doing it, never stop! Greyworm? Go! Yes! Nice slash! John? What are you waiting for? Join the party!
If Missandei hadn't been killed this could've gone down differently, sure there were hints throughout the show she could be rageful, but the death of a beloved friend very much tipped the scales, this was the downward spiral moment for me.
Just like Anakin's mother and wife dying was the tipping point for him to fully embrace the dark side
TAKE THEM ALL OUT!!!! I will forever be on Danys's side for this moment. You killed her most trusted person in the world and killed her children only to surrender? NO!! You and your entire EVERYTHING is DONE!... DRACARYS!!!
Todo mundo ficou feliz pq o sino tocou e Daenerys tinha ganhado a guerra. Ela queimar a cidade não fez sentido nenhum. Foi só uma desculpa pada dizer que ela ficou louca. E matar ela no final. Totalmente desnecessário e injusto. 😣😐
Eu amei a decisão dela, essa cidade só tem mentirosos que tiraram tudo dela, foi + que merecido ela quebrou a roda matando todos esses lixos.
Some top tier writing. This all makes perfect sense given the previous seasons. /s
Here you have a master class in how to kill a character and show stone dead
That shirt lmaooooo
“IT WAS MEEE”
😂😂😂 It seems no one expected this ending
the bells was the best episode and no one can change my mind
I don't think Dany is mad at all, fuck em! Lannisters and the people of KL had it coming. They had ample opportunities to flee the city or overthrow a true Mad Queen, Cersei, but they never did. Lannister soldiers have bannerman have perpetrated some of the worst atrocities across Westeros that we've seen.
Everyone saying Daenerys is mad, though nearly every other character on the show would do the same thing or worse if they had the capabilities. Dany showed restraint in nearly every situation, listened to the horrible advice of Tyrion which nearly lost her the war, and had 8 seasons of enacting justice on some of the most despicable slavers and villains in Essos.
People say she's "mad"" or "evil" for killing traitors and slavers lol. The Tarly's were traitors. They went against their Lord, the Tyrells, which were allied to Daenerys. Jon/Sansa would've been oathbound to cut off their heads lol. She used dragons, same difference. She also gave them the option to swear fealty and they refused, even though the Tarly's were oathbound to the Targaryens like just 30 years before.
These people forgot Missandei last word. It was Dracarys.
am i the only one who didn’t think this reaction was uncalled for? Cersei was the reason so many of her loved ones died, especially rhaegal (rip my beautiful baby, u didn’t deserve to pass like that😭). also, let’s not pretend that everyone kings landing had that coming. AND, idk y everyone was so opposed to mad queen dany ruling the 7. like she’s a queen (literally and figuratively). -hardcore dany, dragon fan. and John snow hater. GET ON THE FUCKING DRAGON JOHN U GOT VISERION KILLED
I was actually happy she did what she did funny how people were mad at her actions but clap hands for cersei after blowing up her own people
I cant help it but the fact that literally everyone who is reacting is making the exact same face tyrion is making when dany starts burning the city is funny too me lol. Literally everyone's face looks just like tyrions when he shows on here
Daenerys Targaryen's inbreeding coefficient is 0.375. Charles the II, spains last Habsburg, who was impotent, drooled, mentally disabled and could barely walk had an inbreeding coefficient of 0.254. Just think about that one.
Missandre last world was "burn them" shes not gone mad. She did missandre's last wish.
One of the best scene in the entire season. After many things she has been through really can not blame her tho. I can relate.
Everything she did was the exact opposite of this but lets forget about that. What had she been through that justfies the murder of hundreds of thousands of people.
@@ieradossantosinnocent people too