I enjoy the pops, but I really dislike how the blackheads are discarded and left on the glove. I would prefer they be discarded out of frame and not on the glove.
Always amazes me how people have blackheads on their ear lobes. Not something I’ve ever seen before until I’d started watching these channels. 🤷♀️💁♀️
This is a returning client. IT IS NOT CLICKBAIT. The thumbnail is just used to identify him. Watch her video #102 to see the nose pimple popped. But there are some great hidden acne pops in this one worth seeing. She's doing a good job of clearing his skin but he still has enough left to make this one enjoyable.
It is a decent video but it is also Clickbait. That would be like seeing an ad for a Mustang, but showing up to end up test driving a Tempo; with your logic, they are both Ford. False advertising
Sorry, but you're completely wrong. The person in the video #102 is a woman. This one is a guy. All looks different. The nose, the place where the pimple is located, the eyes, lips, everything. Only the pimple itself is the same. So the thumbnail is created by a copy from her pimple that's pasted onto the nose of this poor guy here. It's a pimple transplantation by using Photoshop. And therefore clickbait
Well I have to admit; HeinVan,Dr Huan,mrpopzit,are also fabulous at what they do,but it's not a contest,or shouldn't be one Each had their own technique
These are the people those pore vacuums are made for. Lots of simple, shallow blackheads that are ready to come out with very little effort. Unlike my skin that forms a cap on all my blackheads so that I can't squeeze them without poking them, which is hard without good lighting and magnification and proper tools. I WISH mine were this easy and satisfying to extract!
i am so sorry to hear what you are suffering from and enduring. I at one time in life related to what you describe your symptoms to be. i see it has been about 2 years since you posted this so i do hope your situation has improved for you by now. But when i had similar prob as yours, i had to fast frequently starting out in small fasts daily to get used to it like from sun up till sun down and fully change what i ate. I cleaned out my bowels entirely once a month for entire year and replenished my gut with prebiotics and probiotics and i was sure to take quality vitamins and minerals but each individual pills that i could also afford and it was great to find sales to get double for the price of one. once i cut out all sugar, grains, and dairy - then also applied cleaning out my GI tract as i had explained THEN i would do facials daily by washing my face so many times it was crazy , steamed my face many many times , did all kinds of popping but was sure to use the proper medical methods to not reinfect the skin and pores and then treated it with topicals and so on. By the end of the year my skin looked fantastic... i even used over the counter scar reducer patches that bind to the skin and you leave on over night and remove in the morning - those were a God send , it not only reduced scaring but removed tons of early staged zits that did not get a chance to take root but were pulled up and out when removing the patch. This was a truck ton of work and i had to be consistent and this is something i managed to figure out as i went that worked for me, but to each their own in discovering what works best for them but i do enjoy sharing tips and things that worked for me so you and others have options that could work wonders for you. Ultimately in the end i had to take Accutane and fortunately for me i was on good coverage that i didn't have to pay much out of the pocket since it was a crazy expensive procedure to complete but i have never had a breakout ever since and that has been well over 20 years. Not everyone is a candidate for Accutane but all it is - it is high concentrated does of Vitamin A. I do not advice taking that high of a dose , rather just take your daily dose of vitamin A that is offered in pill form with your other vitamins and minerals with your meal plan because A and D are your infection fighters , and C is fantastic for keeping skin strong firm and balanced and blocking infections from happening. Best of wishes to you!
Wait! The thumb mail shows a large pimple on the nose! I think I recognize that pimple! This client is really improving, but I wanted to see that big pimple drained. Guess I’ll look through previous posts. ❤️ Thuy! Good job!
It is the same client, and I believe the thumbnail pic is used to identify him. There are several prior videos, you can locate them by the nose! 👃 I wish there was a better, way, like the numbered Hung videos! Happy to see that the nose is looking so much better. 👍😊
@@sylviahacker6695 - That's right. This wasn't clickbait. I remember this client in that earlier video. His skin has improved quite a bit. And she did a great job this time as well with the hidden acne.
If you see something you don't like, dislike the video!! Eventually they will get that adding issues and dots that aren't in the video, I will dislike.
For the longest time now,the acne spas that do these extractions and post the videos saw their videos stolen almost immediately. The thieves would zoom in, add idiotic borders so that you could only see a small part of the screen. The thumbnails are heavily photoshopped, or they don’t depict the same video. People like me would file complaints against the video thieves, but because TH-cam doesn’t have a field for us to describe the problem, they ignore our complaints. It takes the true owner of the video filing a complaint that says the stolen video infringes on their copyright. The worst part is, TH-cam starts suggesting pirated videos to viewers, rather than suggesting the video from the ladies doing all the work. I don’t expect the ladies who work hard all day extracting acne to be educated in TH-cam’s complaint protocols. Especially with a language barrier. But the true owners are aware that they are losing viewers and they are having to compete with their own pirated videos. So I think they are trying to get viewers back by doing some of the same things that the thieves do. Like clickbait thumbnails. . Rather than just giving a thumbs down, let’s explain to them that we don’t like clickbait thumbnails, so they stop doing it. We really do want to see the right people benefit from their own videos, right?
Yes but you also have to imagine the huge amount of extractions she is doing in a small amount of time! She is the very best on TH-cam...I do this as a profession myself as well.
This is a continuation of a previous video that had the drainage of the nose pimple. They have used the same picture on the video. This is a good video of blackheads being extracted.
Yes...me too. But the truth is that she takes the time squeeze some of the same acne 2 and sometimes 3 times. Not every time but too many of them don't do it at all. So I appreciate it when she does.
I think it would be a good thing if you all watched the Enlisa Brown videos on how you make sure a pore is cleaned out completely. It would help you not to lose viewers and help your patients ! ONLY because people watch these for relaxation but when the pores are being left not completely cleaned out it is more irritating and stressful than relaxing
God, it's so refreshing to not watch her stab every single one. Ty for not stabbing like crazy, especially since most of these came out fairly easy. Excellent job 👏👏
Amazing how there’s over a million views on this after only a week... but less that 200 comments... and most of the negative comments. 🤨 I think I’m done watching this “dr pimple popper” wannabe clickbait videos.
If it appears to be Clickbait and it’s Thuy I know it will be hers. When TH-cam has you under strict guidelines and the artist turns their file editing over to a 3rd party often the thumbnail is done by that service rather than Thuys group. No need to ask for my refund.
Thuy, you gave a 110% and from me you get A++ No blood anywhere that I could see. Just goes to show that when you give of yourself, you get the best results! Good job, girlfriend! 🙏🏻🇺🇸🥰👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻🦋
Poor guy…bad acne problem. A field of blackheads…such oily skin. 😳😱 Yikes! I feel grateful that my family didn’t have the genes for this. 👍😊👏 Feel bad for others who have to deal with this issue…sometimes leaving major scarring on their faces. Some kids came to school with large pustules all over their faces. It always looked so sore & red. 😳😱🙁Had quite a few friends through High School that suffered with acne. Great pops today! 👍
Why did the loudest and most obnoxious candy crush advert come up when I'm trying to relax?! Also, there were some super good, clean pops here that I did not expect. Love it!
omg I wish mine were so easy to pop out, usually for me to get one and the tiny amount that comes out, my whole face is red, bleeding and it heals like a wind and scabs lol.
I enjoy the pops, but I really dislike how the blackheads are discarded and left on the glove. I would prefer they be discarded out of frame and not on the glove.
Normally only Thuy would see her glove. Remember, she is providing care to her client, not performing a show.
I'm convinced they get payed by the pop. Bonus points if a hair comes with it. 😅
I agree. Glove trophies are completely unnecessary!
I find the holes left in the skin where a black head was removed satisfying 😌
me too, it shows they were good ones
just like little worms would live in
Same
@@peterparsons3297🐛
You show a patient that has a large pimple on the nose and when you hit play, it's a totally different person. Bad business
RIGHT HAD ME WAITING LIKE😳😳😳
Click bait
Totally agree. They do it to get us in 🤬 and push play
True, but at least there was sufficient pus action to keep us entertained.
Bad way to do business??? Did you pay them to watch??
Always amazes me how people have blackheads on their ear lobes. Not something I’ve ever seen before until I’d started watching these channels. 🤷♀️💁♀️
Probably caused by ear phones.
I would think it is caused by wearing motorbike helmets since motorbikes, etc are their main mode of transportation
Maybe we all have them and just don’t know it! 😜
I think it’s the increased use of earbuds.
I have them in my ear lobes
This is a returning client. IT IS NOT CLICKBAIT. The thumbnail is just used to identify him. Watch her video #102 to see the nose pimple popped. But there are some great hidden acne pops in this one worth seeing. She's doing a good job of clearing his skin but he still has enough left to make this one enjoyable.
Then that should be specified in the discription along with a link. Otherwise it kinda is.
Thank you. I felt clickbaited when I saw the first shot of the nose without the giant pimple! Now I can go look for that one!
It is a decent video but it is also Clickbait. That would be like seeing an ad for a Mustang, but showing up to end up test driving a Tempo; with your logic, they are both Ford. False advertising
@@btanny86 no 2 halves of a mustang!
Sorry, but you're completely wrong. The person in the video #102 is a woman. This one is a guy. All looks different. The nose, the place where the pimple is located, the eyes, lips, everything. Only the pimple itself is the same. So the thumbnail is created by a copy from her pimple that's pasted onto the nose of this poor guy here. It's a pimple transplantation by using Photoshop. And therefore clickbait
Thuy is hands down the best on TH-cam in my personal opinion! Absolutely the best!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Absolutely!! 👍👍👍👍
Well I have to admit; HeinVan,Dr Huan,mrpopzit,are also fabulous at what they do,but it's not a contest,or shouldn't be one Each had their own technique
I LOVE how the huge pimple on the bridge of his nose in the thumbnail disappeared in the first 4 seconds of the video. 👏
It's like zit click-bait.
Hallo
LMAO
It's because we dont get to watch from beginning to end of session. They only film a portion of it. Sometimes the thumbnail is used as click bait!!
@@blikkie100 qa
0:31 best pop, just keeps giving.
Fast forwards to nose at 9:15. 😊
These are the people those pore vacuums are made for. Lots of simple, shallow blackheads that are ready to come out with very little effort.
Unlike my skin that forms a cap on all my blackheads so that I can't squeeze them without poking them, which is hard without good lighting and magnification and proper tools. I WISH mine were this easy and satisfying to extract!
i am so sorry to hear what you are suffering from and enduring. I at one time in life related to what you describe your symptoms to be. i see it has been about 2 years since you posted this so i do hope your situation has improved for you by now. But when i had similar prob as yours, i had to fast frequently starting out in small fasts daily to get used to it like from sun up till sun down and fully change what i ate. I cleaned out my bowels entirely once a month for entire year and replenished my gut with prebiotics and probiotics and i was sure to take quality vitamins and minerals but each individual pills that i could also afford and it was great to find sales to get double for the price of one. once i cut out all sugar, grains, and dairy - then also applied cleaning out my GI tract as i had explained THEN i would do facials daily by washing my face so many times it was crazy , steamed my face many many times , did all kinds of popping but was sure to use the proper medical methods to not reinfect the skin and pores and then treated it with topicals and so on. By the end of the year my skin looked fantastic... i even used over the counter scar reducer patches that bind to the skin and you leave on over night and remove in the morning - those were a God send , it not only reduced scaring but removed tons of early staged zits that did not get a chance to take root but were pulled up and out when removing the patch. This was a truck ton of work and i had to be consistent and this is something i managed to figure out as i went that worked for me, but to each their own in discovering what works best for them but i do enjoy sharing tips and things that worked for me so you and others have options that could work wonders for you. Ultimately in the end i had to take Accutane and fortunately for me i was on good coverage that i didn't have to pay much out of the pocket since it was a crazy expensive procedure to complete but i have never had a breakout ever since and that has been well over 20 years. Not everyone is a candidate for Accutane but all it is - it is high concentrated does of Vitamin A. I do not advice taking that high of a dose , rather just take your daily dose of vitamin A that is offered in pill form with your other vitamins and minerals with your meal plan because A and D are your infection fighters , and C is fantastic for keeping skin strong firm and balanced and blocking infections from happening. Best of wishes to you!
Wait! The thumb mail shows a large pimple on the nose! I think I recognize that pimple! This client is really improving, but I wanted to see that big pimple drained. Guess I’ll look through previous posts. ❤️ Thuy! Good job!
Please share if you do, would be most appreciated! Thank you and stay safe 👋
It is the same client, and I believe the thumbnail pic is used to identify him. There are several prior videos, you can locate them by the nose! 👃 I wish there was a better, way, like the numbered Hung videos! Happy to see that the nose is looking so much better. 👍😊
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It's in video #102.
Sylvia Hacker , thanks so much - going right to #102 !!!! ( then I’ll try to find the rest ) 👋stay safe & healthy
Stop the clickbait already, there’s no need for it.
The nose is in video #102.
@@sylviahacker6695 щзз>>)
@@СветланаАкулич-о6к 🤢🤢🤢
@@sylviahacker6695 - That's right. This wasn't clickbait. I remember this client in that earlier video. His skin has improved quite a bit. And she did a great job this time as well with the hidden acne.
Your videographer is very good. Close up with a steady hand.
But moves the camera around too fast. It almost makes me nauseous
She’s so efficiency. 100 times faster than other US channels . And using the best way to squeeze and removal.
Great blackhead pops. I like it when they use their fingertips instead of digging with instrument.
Not the nose in the clickbait.
If you see something you don't like, dislike the video!! Eventually they will get that adding issues and dots that aren't in the video, I will dislike.
For the longest time now,the acne spas that do these extractions and post the videos saw their videos stolen almost immediately. The thieves would zoom in, add idiotic borders so that you could only see a small part of the screen. The thumbnails are heavily photoshopped, or they don’t depict the same video. People like me would file complaints against the video thieves, but because TH-cam doesn’t have a field for us to describe the problem, they ignore our complaints. It takes the true owner of the video filing a complaint that says the stolen video infringes on their copyright. The worst part is, TH-cam starts suggesting pirated videos to viewers, rather than suggesting the video from the ladies doing all the work.
I don’t expect the ladies who work hard all day extracting acne to be educated in TH-cam’s complaint protocols. Especially with a language barrier.
But the true owners are aware that they are losing viewers and they are having to compete with their own pirated videos. So I think they are trying to get viewers back by doing some of the same things that the thieves do. Like clickbait thumbnails. . Rather than just giving a thumbs down, let’s explain to them that we don’t like clickbait thumbnails, so they stop doing it. We really do want to see the right people benefit from their own videos, right?
@@pattimessenger6214
I absolutely agree!! Those who watch frequently see what's up. If I see panels, I dislike n move on.
Love Loan!!!
It's in video #102.
Other than the few that were missed- AWESOME VIDEO!
Thuy does fantastic work!
Has anyone ever yelled at the screen " you missed one.. you missed one"?
No? Okay.. me either. 🙄
I do that on every single one especially when they don’t do the ones I want
Yes!!!
Yes but you also have to imagine the huge amount of extractions she is doing in a small amount of time! She is the very best on TH-cam...I do this as a profession myself as well.
@@leahgolden7242 it was kinda a joke?
I'd love to do that for a living!! I've never heard it being done in Canada..
@@lindarutgers5015 yes I get it. I have definitely found myself yelling about lots of different things about these videos lol
I like when it comes out like a cork , without any liquids
Thuy's #1! Thuy's #1!
So much better than Loan and her sister
More like #200000001
@@mrkipling2201 well, now you know why I was never a cheerleader. Crush all my dreams why don't you?
@@chaoswitch1974 🤣🤣🤣 I’ll give you that!! Nice one!!
Funny, does anyone else hear crickets?
I love a bonus pop! They’re popping one blackhead and SURPRISE! Another nearby pops!
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Sometimes you gotta turn off the news and watch a good extraction vid. Thanks Thuy. Good stuff here.
That's exactly what I'm doing 😁
@@Alicia-BG 刺すしす
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@@Alicia-BG q1p
Hi there. I love it when you pop the big ones. I get a real thrill out of those. Stay safe out there. Take care and God bless
You did a good job.
I would pay _them_ to let me have a go at this.
Me too cause THEY SUCK
LOL. Me too.
If we had these places around here they could charge both the patient for treatment and the other person gets charged to be allowed to pop!!!!
For me never, not popping somebody else's zits. Sanitarilly speaking of course. 😆
@@elizabethirvin9954 ET
Tebrikler Türkiye'den selamlar saygılar temiz. Bir çalışma olmuş hepimnize. Başarılar diliyorum
Another great video! Thank you, Thuy! And your client too!
I love this one, less poking needle or less poking too deep. No smearing the pimple on patient face. Just nice
Nn
No she just drops the crap on their face.
Ok, Th!
HUH?? She's doing EXACTLY that, she smeared the pimple on the patients face MULTIPE times, ARE YOU BLIND?
This is a continuation of a previous video that had the drainage of the nose pimple. They have used the same picture on the video. This is a good video of blackheads being extracted.
I saw the giant mess she made. She also stopped the video before that nose thing was finished!!!!! WTF ??
What bugs me is when she makes a juicy one partially explode, wipes it, then completely ignores it
Yes...me too. But the truth is that she takes the time squeeze some of the same acne 2 and sometimes 3 times. Not every time but too many of them don't do it at all. So I appreciate it when she does.
So enjoyed this! Most of the other videos they cut so deep for no reason and make it bleed.
Some of you might not know this: if you skip to the end then hit replay you will get no adds. Take that click bait!
Thank you! 🙂
Or stop being cheap and get TH-cam premium
Зачем по сто раз тыкать в одно место??? Да надави ты просто нормально 🤦♀️
Great video!
I appreciate the thorough job. It is nice to see the customer treated with gentleness.
I didn’t have to scream at my iPad. You popped everyone I pointed to. Oh happy day!
Came in to see that monster get popped sadly i was tricked.
No hay ningún comentario en español, aquí va el mío, aunque todos los vídeos son iguales, no puedo dejar de verlos
Hope you disliked the video.
She didn’t use to use click bait but now it’s an issue.
It's in video #102.
Yes I’ve noticed that her thumbnails pictures are edited with more pimples but it’s a clickbait
If work is very admirable! Congratulations on the excellent video !!👍👍🌹🌹👏👏
Very good video
Great pops. u were good n left hardly any behind...u are great
I love when she continues to squeeze the same pimple and more and more stuff keeps coming out. I mean how deep are these pores?!!
IKR!!!
🤢🤮🤮
I wish she would do that more often
wow someone that cleans the pores out amazing
Thank you Thuy 😘🌹❤️
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Congratulations Georgia and USA
I come here to de-stress a relax. Your comment is bad for, except for praising Thuy's work💜💛
What a load of nauseating crap. Why don’t you comment something intelligent for once.
Freaking ads for those stupid makeover games are insane
Right they are plain bodyshaming and sexism
You girls are soo sweet and professional. Thanks for the share shares Terry
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We don’t like clickbait
That really was the gift that keeps on giving!🎁😄
Great job on neck and chin...also on actual blackheads. Loved it
Awesome job!
Guys for the nose go to video #102!!! It's really good
Except she stopped the camera before it was finished. Passed me right off.
I think it would be a good thing if you all watched the Enlisa Brown videos on how you make sure a pore is cleaned out completely. It would help you not to lose viewers and help your patients ! ONLY because people watch these for relaxation but when the pores are being left not completely cleaned out it is more irritating and stressful than relaxing
Thuy does a good job why does she have to copy enlisa? Thuys track record for getting good results speaks for itself
Something for the whole family in this one 😁
I sometimes imagine traveling and accidentally coming upon them lol.
I love it when Thuy gets the chin and jawline! And of course I love love love the nose! I also love when she finds the hidden gems! 💎 ❤️💕
This isn't Thuy
They all look the same, it makes no difference…..
@@mrkipling2201 all ya need is love ❤️
@@miguelsegunda9630 love is all you need. No, I’m not a big Beatles fan, sorry. I prefer realism. 👍👍
@@mrkipling2201 there are blackheads and dickheads...real enough for you?
You did so well squeezing until everything was out. Yay!!!!
Great job, thank you!
At last somebody who knows how 2 get all the gunk out and leave the pore clean as ever...this person is worth it
Thank you Thuy!
Thank you dear Thuy 💗
Very nice job.
Watching this is like playing checkers jump jump jump
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Great fast job.
Joyce .. I call it fake news or false advertising .. laws against it.
Thanks my friend. 👏🏼👏🏼🙋🏻❤️❤️
Very clean, gentle, thorough and methodical!
I know this is old but, I feel so sorry for this person. I know thuy does her best ouch!Thanks
Great job 💯
Thuy doesn't click bait as much as she did 3 years ago. And she's never been as bad as most.
Always pinch the tiny ones and leave big squishy ones Bhutto before your video ends.
God, it's so refreshing to not watch her stab every single one. Ty for not stabbing like crazy, especially since most of these came out fairly easy. Excellent job 👏👏
Are you a man in black??
@@mrkipling2201 Ha ha ha a "Will Smith" joke. Never heard one of those before.
@@willsmith1689 yeah well anyone else would have mentioned the slap….
Besides, he went downhill after the Fresh Prince….
@@willsmith1689 I bet you haven’t had as many Will Smith jokes as I’ve heard cake jokes.
@@mrkipling2201 wanna bet
Amazing how there’s over a million views on this after only a week... but less that 200 comments... and most of the negative comments. 🤨 I think I’m done watching this “dr pimple popper” wannabe clickbait videos.
You never disappoint us, thank you❤️❤️❤️
🥇✨💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵🏆✨🌹
OMG it just looks like normal skin from far but then BOOM 💥 🤯
I love your work!
The picture showed a guy with a huge bump on his nose, however the video doesn't show any bump on his nose. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE HONEST!!!!
If it appears to be Clickbait and it’s Thuy I know it will be hers. When TH-cam has you under strict guidelines and the artist turns their file editing over to a 3rd party often the thumbnail is done by that service rather than Thuys group.
No need to ask for my refund.
minh coi nhiều clip nặn mụn lắm nhung chi này lam khong co sach va quay chong mắt quá
Thuy you are awesome. Clean pops, keeping the face clean and not wiping the junk in the hair. Enjoy watching.
You deserve the heat of this comment section with that thumbnail
Thuy, you gave a 110% and from me you get A++ No blood anywhere that I could see. Just goes to show that when you give of yourself, you get the best results! Good job, girlfriend! 🙏🏻🇺🇸🥰👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻🦋
Why do people in the comments section of these videos write the most over the top cobblers I’ve ever had the misfortune to witness??
She really did a stand up job on this client. Did not poke at blemishes, but used her fingers & nails to express the sebreum.
WTF is a sebreum??
Sebum..
Oh no, not margarine again…… 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
เก่งมากบีบไวมากๆดูแล้วเพลินดีค่ะ
Am I the only one yelling GET THAT ONE ☝🏻 or SQUEEZE A LITTLE MORE.. 😂
Yes !Very good ..👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍
Poor guy…bad acne problem. A field of blackheads…such oily skin. 😳😱 Yikes! I feel grateful that my family didn’t have the genes for this. 👍😊👏 Feel bad for others who have to deal with this issue…sometimes leaving major scarring on their faces. Some kids came to school with large pustules all over their faces. It always looked so sore & red. 😳😱🙁Had quite a few friends through High School that suffered with acne. Great pops today! 👍
Why did the loudest and most obnoxious candy crush advert come up when I'm trying to relax?! Also, there were some super good, clean pops here that I did not expect. Love it!
At 9 mins we get a whole lotta nose!! Has anyone actually watched this?😂😂😂👃
I like these long videos more that the shorter new ones
omg I wish mine were so easy to pop out, usually for me to get one and the tiny amount that comes out, my whole face is red, bleeding and it heals like a wind and scabs lol.
Same
I hate fake ass clickbaits but the content makes up for it 🤣
Nose part is in another one of her videos. This is a return customer.
Such good & cooperative pop pops. I’m Very relaxed now. About to go to sleep!!
Thuy why are you resorting to 'Clip Bait '?? This degrades your channel!!✨😷🇺🇸 Stay Safe
Apparently it's a previous video of this client. They extracted it then.
It's not clickbait, check out video #102.
Congratulations great cleaning very efficient efficient👏
I can do this for a job my only thing is I don't want to go to school just to learn how to pop a zit
Well done.
Wow! That was a bunch of pops in 21 minutes🥰
Stop digging your nails into the skin.
Phenomenal. 😳😳😳
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