Five Problems with the Rapture

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  • Many Christians believe that Jesus will return secretly before a seven year tribulation. However, the Biblical evidence shows something different.
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  • @JosephEBass
    @JosephEBass 4 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    God does not have to physically remove us from the Earth, to keep us from his wrath. God has very good aim!

    • @christsservant583
      @christsservant583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God will send locusts down to earth not at people but down in the earth, he doesn't need to aim.

    • @kenklein9120
      @kenklein9120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't see God's wrath in the Great Tribulation. For certain it's in the vials.

    • @saberthesabbathseeker864
      @saberthesabbathseeker864 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      💯

    • @saberthesabbathseeker864
      @saberthesabbathseeker864 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@VOLKHVORONOVICH GOOD POINT!

  • @stevenklinkhamer9069
    @stevenklinkhamer9069 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Points well taken. The more carefully you examine it - the more problematic this pre- trib rapture doctrine appears to be.

    • @wrongfullyaccused7139
      @wrongfullyaccused7139 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a pig's eye.

    • @wrongfullyaccused7139
      @wrongfullyaccused7139 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SoundChristianMusic : The destruction of the temple took place in 70AD.
      The Rapture has NOT taken place yet.

  • @sidtech04.
    @sidtech04. ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It’s not fun being a Baptist who disagrees with the rapture

  • @godswateringcan1379
    @godswateringcan1379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    In the parable of the wheat and tares, the tares were gathered first and destroyed. THEN the wheat is gathered into the barn. I would much rather be wheat.

    • @ALTheFreeMan
      @ALTheFreeMan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’ve heard this point made as well. The only thing is, if the tares are the ones who are taken (raptured), then what happens to the wheat who are left here on Earth?? Revelation Chapter 6 & 7 (especially Revelation 6:9-17) seem to paint a picture that both good people and evil people will be here for the tribulation. 🤔

    • @mikeigori2983
      @mikeigori2983 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ALTheFreeManThe earth is where the righteous,meek and the godly will live FOREVER.As for the rapture fantasy,you will be destroyed in a moment,in the twinkling of an eye.THAT IS THE TRUTH.By the way,I AM A BLACK MAN from the islands of the sea(Isa 11:11).I don't believe in christian garbage.I don't believe in nephilim bullshit.I KNOW WHO MY CREATOR IS AND I KNOW WHO MY YAHSUAH A'MMASSIACH IS.My redemption is just around the corner,I know what I am talking about.As for you christians,you live in a fantasy dream world of mind slave religion.

    • @melaniebaynes2730
      @melaniebaynes2730 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ALTheFreeMan I think we will all be here, but God will protect those whom He wants protecting. I'm not saying that I am right, but I am not convinced of any rapture.

  • @TheWiseMagpie1
    @TheWiseMagpie1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This clarifies "the harvest" in revelations for me. Thank you so much!
    I can't find a rapture anywhere in the Bible, so I thank God for your explanation!

    • @jaycoles2511
      @jaycoles2511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can’t find bible anywhere in the bible

    • @thequadraphonicgospels7829
      @thequadraphonicgospels7829 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dont worry, we’ll explain it on the way up :)

    • @soundimpact4633
      @soundimpact4633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As well there is a place where the angels gather the tares first...Matt 13:30

    • @thequadraphonicgospels7829
      @thequadraphonicgospels7829 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @no ok, I’m here for you anytime, take care.

  • @daystarrises
    @daystarrises 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you Dr Cooper, Your video is a breath of fresh air. I have been seeking and praying about this for a while. It makes much sense that the end will come like a thief in the night and then the tares and the wheat will be separated after the harvest. I believe we are in the last days of this world. Just a comment here: I had looked on the 'one will be taken and the other left as Christ describing people will be dying over generations and generations. It is like he is saying the end is a long time to come and much tribulation will be endured over generations. Thank you for your video.

  • @MelissaJackson83
    @MelissaJackson83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    My mom and I were raised jehovah witness, I denounced this religion in my late teens, and my mother did also 10-15 years later. Consider ourselves Christians now. Never have believed in the Rapture teaching. Thank you for shedding the light on this gross misconception of the Bible. It helps me to understand why this is a false teaching. Great video

    • @kpballa1009
      @kpballa1009 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      May the Lord bless you in your guys' walk with the Lord... : )

    • @RobertRetano-oo6jy
      @RobertRetano-oo6jy ปีที่แล้ว

      😊😅

  • @peterread705
    @peterread705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I have studied the different raptures and there’s no way I can see a pre-trib rapture. Thanks for this video.

  • @GeneGruber
    @GeneGruber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fellow believers : This brother is correct . Matthew 24 and the Book of Revelation are about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD70 by the Roman army.

  • @richardfrerks8712
    @richardfrerks8712 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I totally fell for the John Hagee rapture doctrine... Now I'm not afraid I will be left behind... Thank you.. Open the Church up please.. My church has been closed for almost 1 year.

    • @inTruthbyGrace
      @inTruthbyGrace 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      YOU: "My church has been closed for almost 1 year"
      Why seek ye the living among the dead?....
      Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
      *_Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching._* (Heb 10:22-25)

  • @marcreyes9158
    @marcreyes9158 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Amen I love god so much and I take him as my lord and Saver

    • @Kd4xx_
      @Kd4xx_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amen

    • @faby_baby
      @faby_baby 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen!!!!
      For those who don’t know, Jesus will fulfill you more than anything in this world, I speak from experience (from when i did Romans 10:9-13), he loves you and wants to be in a meaningful (not romantic) relationship with you. :)
      “that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
      ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭9‬-‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      “and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
      ‭‭Mark‬ ‭1‬:‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      If you want proof that Jesus and the Bible are true look a documentary called “Ron Wyatt discoveries 2022” on TH-cam and a TH-cam channel called Expedition Bible. They both examine archeological sites and discoveries that prove the Bible, and even reference secular sources. (Just don’t convert to 7th day Adventism after watching the documentary) And lastly if you don’t know the gospel and want to be saved search up “abc’s of Salvation Teenmissions” on Google and it should be the first or second result. When you click on it read the whole thing, and do what it says and have faith in Jesus while you are doing it, do not doubt, and if it is hard for you to do what it says, ask Jesus to help you, have faith that he will, and *he will.*
      God Bless :)

  • @martaprestamo9543
    @martaprestamo9543 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Pray for me because I found at the beginning of the Pandemic that the rapture is a false doctrine an when I expressed it to my husband he has deemed me a heretic. Looking back to my childhood I was never taught by Sundayschool teachers or pastors about the rapture until I came to Calvary Chapel Puerto Rico 19 years ago, and there is where the koolaid started.

    • @caitlinsoliman1658
      @caitlinsoliman1658 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @mal'ak emeth 😄 believing in the rapture or not is NOT A SIN ISSUE lol the Bible says that nowhere. God says you will be hated for my namesake. What about the apostle's killed for preaching the Gospel? Christians are almost guaranteed to suffer. God promises to wipe away every tear in heaven.

    • @seekandfind5704
      @seekandfind5704 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@caitlinsoliman1658 re: believing in false doctrine
      Matt 24:4 And answering, Jesus said to them, See that not any leads you astray.

    • @Mr76K1976
      @Mr76K1976 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You shouldnt be married to him if he deems you a "heretic"

    • @Dilley_G45
      @Dilley_G45 ปีที่แล้ว

      Notice to self. Before trying marriage a second time, sort out theology in greater detail.

  • @thequadraphonicgospels7829
    @thequadraphonicgospels7829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    When it comes to doctrines likes these, or any teaching of the Bible for that matter, I believe we need to approach it with great humility. Eschatology is a very difficult subject to tackle, an area which we can easily fall into error if we are not careful. Additionally, we must also be careful to not alienate other Christians, particularly regarding secondary issues that have nothing to do with salvation.
    With much respect to our brother, who is bold and courageous enough to publicly share his biblical views. I would like to add a portion of scripture that perhaps may be overlooked by him and other brothers that disagree with the doctrine of the rapture.
    When it comes to objections regarding verses in Matthew 24, regarding the rapture, those that disagree with a rapture say that Noah and his family were not taken away ,but rather preserved through the flood and this is true, however what many overlook in the Genesis account is the person of Enoch, whom the Bible says was taken away by God before the flood came. I think this is a very important piece of information because it sets an important precedence of a “rapture”. It appears Genesis chapter 5 , which is one chapter before God commissions Noah to build the ark. God raptures Enoch before he pours out his wrath.
    Another issue that arises when discussing the subject of the rapture is the nature of the Great Tribulation. There has always been tribulation in this world, Christians all over the world are being killed every day for their allegiance to Christ our Lord. As Christians we will suffer tribulation in this world, in some cases we will even die for our faith. It is however very important to make a distinction between tribulation and The Great Tribulation. The Bible teaches us that the Great Tribulation will be a time where God will pour out his wrath upon the world, upon the kingdom of the Antichrist, from which faithful Christians will be saved from. Again, there is precedence in Genesis. Our Lord Jesus Christ tells is Luke 17:29 that the last days will also be like the days of Lot:
    Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
    Notice something important in the wording, the same day Lot “went out of Sodom” it rained fire and brimstone. If your read the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah you will see that God does not pour out his wrath until he gets Lot out of the city. Now If God did not allow Lot, who was not where he was supposed to be, to remain and suffer the outpouring of his wrath, how then will he allow those redeemed by the precious blood of his son to suffer through it.
    Paul mentions in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 that as believers we are not appointed to wrath, but salvation.
    This is by no means exhaustive, there are many examples in the scriptures like the ones I have referenced, nevertheless I hope this can be a blessing to some, God bless you brothers, To God be the Glory

    • @thereturn2361
      @thereturn2361 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Quad.... Gospels: I appreciate your opening remarks - especially about being respectful of others opinions. That being said, I would like to share some of my experience and then tie it into just one of the ideas you have shared. I believed in pre-trib for many years because that was what I was taught. Then I read John Walvoord's book entitled "The Rapture Question" and it confirmed my pre-trib view. Then a couple of years later I re-read the book with a more open mind. I began to see that many of the arguments he put forth for a pre-trib view really did not hold up. Here is just one example: he argued that the "blessed hope of the appearing of our great God and Savior" was an argument for pre-trib. The reasoning was this: if we had to go through the tribulation, how would his appearing be a blessed hope. During my second reading of his book I realized that the "blessed hope" was a stronger argument for a post trib view than a pre trib view. Just ask yourself, who would the blessed hope of Christ's appearing be more blessed to - people living in ease and comfort before the tribulation or people actually going through the tough times in the tribulation? I don't know about you, but if I were in the tribulation, I would view the hope of Christ's coming as a really BLESSED event!
      I see the same kind of flaw in your reasoning concerning Lot. I see the story of Lot as a tremendous example of a post trib rapture. As you noted, Lot was taken out of Sodom the same day that it rained fire and brimstone. This is a perfect example of a post trib rapture. Christ will rapture us into the clouds and from there we will be protected from the wrath he will poor out on the beast and the armies allied against him. Your contention that removing Lot before the outpouring of wrath (in a pre-trib event) still leaves you with a major problem. That is this: those who become believers during the tribulation will have to suffer the wrath that the pre-trib believers did not. I will ask you your same question: why will God allow those who become believers in the tribulation "to remain and suffer the outpouring of his wrath, how then will he allow those redeemed by the precious blood of his son to suffer through it." This is just food for thought for you. Personally, I think taking Enoch, Lot, Noah, etc as "proof" or "evidence" of a pre or post trib rapture is extremely flimsy when we have so much solid scriptural teaching on the subject. Anyways, God bless you in your study.

    • @thequadraphonicgospels7829
      @thequadraphonicgospels7829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thereturn2361 Hello Gamewinner: Hope you are doing well, in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, I truly appreciate the time you have taken to kindly reply to my comment. Truly wisdom and revelation come from God alone, may he alone receive all the glory.
      I read your comment several weeks ago and have been pondering the points you have brought up, but before I address them, I would like to point out something that I mentioned which you did not address, the nature of the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation according to scripture is the outpouring of Gods wrath upon the Earth, upon satan’s kingdom, which begins with the opening of the seven seals. I mention this because I see that many discussions regarding the rapture, particularly by those that disagree with a pre- trib rapture fail to address this point. Its important for Christians to understand that God is always in control, even the rise of the antichrist, it is not some scheme of the devil that manages to get past God, the anti-christ is in fact a part of the judgement in the great tribulation :
      2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
      Regarding the blessed hope; I have not read the book you mentioned, so I cannot not comment on the authors point of view. What I can say, when Paul speaks about the “Blessed hope” he is not referring to Christians hoping to be saved from the great tribulation. The Apostle Paul mentions the blessed hope in the Book of Titus chapter two, and if we read the scripture in context, we can deduct that the blessed hope has more to do with Christ rescuing the believer from the struggle with the flesh.
      Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
      Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
      Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
      Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
      The blessed hope is for every believer that is tired of the war and struggle that rages on inside them, it is for every believer that is doing everything he can to please The Lord, yet sees inside him things which are contrary to Gods word and character. Our blessed hope, though it may apply to those suffering tribulation, has more to do with the saint that is sick and tired of sin. The hope that one day we will be with Jesus and he will save us from the mortal corruption that exists in our flesh, to forever be with him in glorified bodies.
      With regards to those that stay behind after the rapture; One point that has to be made clear before moving on, is the unique identity of the Church of Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us that the Church is unique, those that are part of the Church are neither jew nor gentile ( Galatians 3:28). This is a very important distinction to make, The Church of Jesus Christ is called the Body of Christ, a title that is not given to Israel, a title which denotes a special relationship to Christ which Old Testament saints do not share. The mystery of the Church is a topic worth studying. It is was a mystery up until the revelation in the New Testament.
      Check this out:
      Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
      Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
      Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
      Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
      Before I explain the reason why I’m sharing these verses, its important to identify the key characters that are mentioned therein. The dragon, we know is satan, the woman is the nation of Israel as cited in Genesis 37:9-11, The man child is Jesus, who was born Jewish of the nation of Israel. In Verse 4 it says that the dragon sought to devour the child, but he was unable to, because the child was caught up to God. Follow me here, the scripture says that the Church is the Body of Christ, now notice the specific wording used to describe the deliverance of the child, its says he was ”caught up unto God”, if you look at the Greek word translated caught up, it is the Greek word” harpazo” which is the same word mentioned by the Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, where he speaks about the church being caught up together, one of the main verses that supports the doctrine of the rapture. The word harpazo is a special word, it does not mean simply mean snatching away, but implies a strong use of force, a violent snatching away. The reason I believe this scripture has to do with the rapture of the church, before the great tribulation, is because when we read about Christ’s ascension in Acts 1:11, we read that his ascension was a very peaceful event, he was not under any threat when he ascended, the Apostles witnessed him peacefully ascend to heaven, it was not a violent snatching away. It also does not fit with Christ’s death, because satan , the dragon, was successful in having him killed, after all it was the devil entering Judas’s body, through possession (Luke 22:3, John 13:27) that began the events that lead to Jesus Christ’s crucifixion, though unbeknownst to him, he was fulfilling Gods plan to his very demise. Glory to God for his great wisdom! (1 Corinthians 2:7-8)
      Now if you continue reading Revelation 12:6, you read that the woman stays behind, in the great tribulation, which lasts for 1,260 days which is 3.5 years, the length of time which the Bible cites in several places to be the amount of time the great tribulation will last (Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:4-5). God will once again deal with the world through the nation of Israel, I guess you can say that there will be a change in dispensation. Now God will supernaturally protect some of them, that is why the 144,000 that are sealed in Revelation chapter 7 are specifically mentioned to be of the 12 tribes of Israel. God will protect these, but there will be others that will be saved in the great tribulation as well, but unfortunately, many of them will not have the same protection, some will pay with their lives for rejecting the mark of the beast. (Revelation 20:4) I know this can make us feel uneasy, but it is what the scripture says.
      Regarding Enoch, Noah and Lot as evidence of pre trib rapture; You may find these examples flimsy, but I would kindly disagree. Remember that it is our Lord Jesus Christ that points to the times of Noah as an example of the end times (Matthew 24:37-38), It was also our Lord Jesus Christ that pointed to the days of Lot ( Luke 17:28-29), certainly you would not characterize his words as flimsy. In my comment I simply highlight details surrounding those events which our Lord is pointing to.
      The reason why I believe it’s important to study the details of the flood when studying the rapture and the great tribulation, is because the scripture teaches us that the great tribulation will be a world-wide event. The whole world will experience the outpouring of God’s wrath, and the only other time that the whole world has experienced something similar, the only other time there has been a global judgement was during the time of the great flood. One of the reasons why we study the scripture is also to study Gods character, and the consistency of his character through all of scripture. In my comment I simply stated, that Enoch was taken up before God executed his judgment upon the whole world, it would be consistent with his character, that he will also do the same for his church before the great outpouring of his wrath, which is what we see when God does not allowed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to be destroyed, until Lot and his family are removed.
      Thank you so much my brother for this exchange, I hope that it has been fruitful for you as it has for me, may the Lord bless you abundantly, may he grant us wisdom and revelation to understand his will for our lives, may he grants us power through his mighty Spirit to remain faithful to the very end, whether we live or die we belong to Christ. Glory be to his name!

    • @thereturn2361
      @thereturn2361 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thequadraphonicgospels7829 The Quadraphonic Gospels: Grace and peace to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. My schedule has eased up and I have now had some time to digest your lengthy response to me. I want to thank you for sharing your views and have thoughts to share with you as well. I have broken your reply into 4 sections: 1) the nature of the tribulation 2) the blessed hope 3) Revelation 12 and 4) Noah, Enoch etc.
      1) the nature of the tribulation - I generally agree with you that the great tribulation is the outpouring of God’s wrath. Rev 15:7 “And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever.” This verse shows God’s wrath being poured out AND Rev 15:1 “Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and amazing, seven angels with seven plagues, which are the last, for with them the wrath of God is finished.” This verse shows that the wrath of God was already being poured out as the bowls would complete the wrath of God.
      2) I agree with you that the blessed hope, in context, is referring to Christ rescuing us from our struggle with the flesh and not a pre-tribulation rapture. I had believed that the blessed hope was simply referring to Christ’s return in general. Thanks for pointing out the context for me. I had not considered that specifically.
      3) Here is where I have to disagree with you. In Rev 12:5, the man child is caught up to God. You agree that the man child is a reference to Jesus yet when it specifically states that this man child is caught up to heaven, you then say it is referring to the church. Your justification for doing so is because of the use of the word harpazo. First, harpazo is not a violent snatching away. Neither Strong’s nor Vines Greek Expository Dictionary of NT Words says anything about violence with regard to harpazo. Harpazo may imply a forceful snatching but not a violent one. Second, and more importantly, the fact that the man child was taken (even with force) does not warrant contradicting what the passage says by changing man child to church. Third, the man child was taken up to God and to his throne. This is not what happens to the church. Whether you are pre or post- trib, the church rises to meet Jesus in the clouds at his return. Fourth, it appears you are indulging in eisegesis in your view of the scriptures. Eisegesis is the reading into the text of your own personal bias or assumptions. To justify a distinction between the accounts of Christ’s ascension, you say he rose “peacefully” and yet it no where says that. Acts 1:11 says he was “taken” from them. The Greek word is analambano (to take up). This is very similar to harpazo which is: catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
      4) I think you will find that if you step back and objectively look at all the teachings of the pre-trib-rapture, you will find that it is all built on eisegesis. This must be so since there are no scriptures anywhere that state the rapture occurs before the tribulation starts. In contrast to and in contradiction of a pre-trib rapture, there are 4 very specific and detailed verses that refer to a post trib rapture.
      I observe that eisegesis is used more recklessly in the accounts of Noah, Lot, and Enoch than anywhere else. That is why I say it is “flimsy” to use them as justification for a pre-trib rapture. For example, Jesus taught that his coming would be just like it was in Noah’s day. How so? It will come on people who are “unaware” of what was about to happen. Matt 24:39 “and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” To read into this lesson anything else is a stretch. However, if we want to indulge in eisegesis, I can do that also and teach that both Noah and Lot are clear examples of a post-trib rapture. I don’t bother to do that because it is not germane to the topic.
      One last thing - Enoch. Here is a quote from you: “In my comment I simply stated, that Enoch was taken up before God executed his judgment upon the whole world, it would be consistent with his character, that he will also do the same for his church.” Yes, Enoch was taken up before the flood. That however, is not any indication of what God would do for the church in a pre-trib scenario. You see, God did not take Enoch up to spare him from the flood. Scripture tells us why God took him up. It was because Enoch walked with God. And beside that, Enoch would have died long before the flood came. He would have been over 1200 years old to experience the flood. Methuselah, who is the longest living person in the bible, only lived 969 years. So I don’t really think God took Enoch to spare him of the flood!
      Let me know what you think of what I’ve had to say. I would welcome a well-reasoned response. May God richly bless you as you
      study His Word!

  • @matthewhughes3749
    @matthewhughes3749 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    it really saddens me when i read comments on youtube by christians really attacking one another that is just not God's heart at all we are respond in a loving way because God watches our every words just because it's online doesn't mean he doesn't not see he sees just as much as what we say online please respect one another and be kind to one another when you comment

    • @karlajimenez907
      @karlajimenez907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes thank you, these comments sections sadden me :(

    • @VOLKHVORONOVICH
      @VOLKHVORONOVICH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's also such a thing as casting one's pearls before swine. You might remember, in Acts Chapter 13:10-11, what Paul said to Elymas the Sorcerer. "O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season." Not exactly very loving. But he got the job done. Once you realize how dangerous, and evil the lie of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is, you can not cut its promoters any slack. Rebuke them soundly in the name of the Lord.

  • @vickiwoody7385
    @vickiwoody7385 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    When Jesus calls us home at the Rapture, He does not set foot on the earth; instead we will meet Him in the air. "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:" At the Second Coming, Jesus returns on a while horse, followed by the raptured saints: "Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses." (Revelation 19:11-14) It is at this time He will set foot on the earth to set up his kingdom: "And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south." (Zechariah 14:4) The two are very different events.

    • @ronniegrady6843
      @ronniegrady6843 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      When you are studying this. Be sure that your not implying what is happening. For sure the scripture does not imply or say that our lord will return two more times. For example. Meeting him in the air. This does not say that he is not to keep coming. It just says that is the meeting place. One of the most powerful texts that I hVe read is In Mathew 24. Read the first 4 words OUT LOUD in Mathew 24: vs 29. Then finish the chapter.

    • @RaptureofSaints
      @RaptureofSaints 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      STEP ONE to Understanding the Rapture is this!
      1/ KNOWING what the Greek word Harpazo means, because Harpazo is the Rapture!
      "Harpazo" is a word that ONLY means to be seized and moved from one place to another!
      It is very Important to keep this in mind because that is all that this word Harpazo/Rapture means!
      The word Harpazo is a word that is found in 13 places in the New Testament and in all places it simply means to be seized and moved from its place!
      a. If I were to snatch a dice out of your hand I would be rapturing that Dice! Satan tries to Rapture Gods Word out of our heart!
      b. If I were to come to you and seize you and move you I would be Rapturing you! Paul was seized by guards and moved from the Courtyard up to the Roman camp!
      c. People tried to Rapture Jesus and make Him King!
      d. Phillip was baptising the Eunuch and as they came out of the water God Raptured Phillip and moved him to another town!
      e. Jesus was Raptured up to Heaven and sat on the Throne of God many days after His Resurrection.
      f. God will not let Satan rapture us out of His Hand!
      g. Paul was Raptured to Heaven and was shown many things.
      Yes! Rapture/Harpazo ONLY means to be Seized and Moved from one place to another!
      Its usage in the New Testament is CONSISTENT!
      It is Important to KNOW that the Rapture is NOT the COMING of Christ!
      It is Important to KNOW that the Rapture is NOT the Resurrection!
      It is Important to KNOW that the Rapture is NOT the Changing of our Bodies to Immortal!
      The Rapture/Harpazo is merely us being moved from this earth into the air to meet Jesus and it will ONLY happen ONCE the Resurrection takes place!!
      The Rapture/Harpazo is a VERB word and it is the Action by which we will be Gathered Together to meet Jesus in the air!
      I HOPE this helps many to First of all UNDERSTAND just what the word "Harpazo/Rapture means !!!!!

    • @tenderock7777
      @tenderock7777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rapture of the Saints.....Great job.. keep up the work of TRUTH...Jesus.....way too many non truth people in here telling satan's greatest lie to the church. We are supposed to be working for Jesus telling TRUTH...not all the pre trib lies.

    • @RaptureofSaints
      @RaptureofSaints 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tenderock7777 AMEN!
      PRE TRIB LIES!
      Pre TRIB FALSE PROPHETS that we MUST NOT follow and Must NOT BELIEVE as Jesus Himself said!

    • @kareizaamune429
      @kareizaamune429 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RaptureofSaints Hello there. Keep up the good work.

  • @diyoregonnowtexas9202
    @diyoregonnowtexas9202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Wonderful video sir, spot on. I had been researching the rapture theory myself and keep going back to mat 24-37 but you made me aware of the other verses as well. Yah, it's clear. I keep hearing Christian people say things like my neighbor did, I cant wait to get raptured out of here So I can just go to heaven and not be here for the tribulation, crime and these terrible things. I have gently tried to explain Mathew 24/37 and that the rapture theory calls for closer examination. You can see the frowns, shaking their head and can see they just wont believe it. They say their pastor teaches the rapture theory in church, so thats it! They dont want to hear it or even entertain the idea of doubting him or double checking with scripture. Their mind is made up, period. I'm trying to think of ways to open their mind for discussion on this, but I can feel most people just dont want to hear it. It's strange.

    • @stephenkammerling9479
      @stephenkammerling9479 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It fits in with their idea of an easy life. No accident this doctrine is more accepted in US than any other place on the world.

    • @felixlopezrealestate1806
      @felixlopezrealestate1806 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ask them many questions like how does the church overcome or keep the commandments in Revelation. In Revelation during the tribulation overcoming and keeping commandments is a theme. How does the church do that if they're raptured out.

    • @TrueBeleiverInMostHighGod
      @TrueBeleiverInMostHighGod ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are bound by demonic spirit

    • @psalm2forliberty577
      @psalm2forliberty577 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'd point out that we are called to follow Scripture & no Pastor, or teacher no matter how "schooled" is beyond the need to cross check, to make S U R E he's not just repeating errors common to our age.
      This popular but very anti-Scriptural idea is an A+ prime example.

  • @markalaniz113
    @markalaniz113 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Church of Philadelphia, let no man take your Crown..

  • @carlcizek1611
    @carlcizek1611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    #1. It is historic.
    The catching up was not only taught in the First Century it was in “practice” before Paul’s conversion.
    Acts 1:2,
    Acts 8:39,
    Luke 24:31
    2 Corinthians 12 2 Corinthians 14 1 Thess 4:17 Rev 12:5

    • @Swiftninjatrev
      @Swiftninjatrev ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You used the assention and Philip as a proof text? Bru you're joking.

    • @carlcizek1611
      @carlcizek1611 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Swiftninjatrev
      Yes they are proof texts of the supernatural involvement of the catching up in practice.

  • @lucienne.m
    @lucienne.m 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is a brilliant explanation all of these people expecting the rapture to happen anytime now are going to be disappointed but the Lord will keep the righteous and destroy the evil ones.

  • @psalm2forliberty577
    @psalm2forliberty577 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find it humorous that the main star of the "Left Behind" movies, Kirk Cameron, no longer believes in this common but ill founded "secret Rapture" doctrine.
    Kirk is a very active & sincere Brother in Christ & today adheres to Postmillennialism.
    LOL
    Praise GOD 😅

  • @BoundyMan
    @BoundyMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm a Seventh Day Adventist and we agree with you. Interesting to hear what you said about Luke 17. I always thought it meant the one taken were saved and the one left behind was lost and would die. That's something to think about.

    • @TruthSetFree-zm1ep
      @TruthSetFree-zm1ep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sean Boundy
      Please my Friend watch the TH-cam channel called :
      Test the Prophet
      Remember many false prophets will come
      Mathew 13:33

    • @wrongfullyaccused7139
      @wrongfullyaccused7139 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cult.

  • @georgeb9046
    @georgeb9046 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    John 14:1-3 KJB
    Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
    And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
    Jesus Christ said those words. Do not deny the words of Jesus Christ!!! He is going to come for his bride!

    • @DianaSzucs-jv7yo
      @DianaSzucs-jv7yo หลายเดือนก่อน

      where is "My Father's House"? EVERY SINGLE time that, or a similar term is used in the Bible, it refers to the Temple in Jerusalem (except when it meant the Tabernacle in the desert.)
      If I promise to prepare a garment for someone, I return to my sewing room to create the item, and then I take it back to the home of the one to whom it was promised.
      John saw the NEW Jerusalem coming DOWN from Heaven.
      Remember that the very word "Temple" means the home of a god/GOD.

  • @tominmo8865
    @tominmo8865 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Reason #6. People WANT to believe in this in order to save themselves going through the hard times. If it sounds too good to be true.....

  • @calebneff5777
    @calebneff5777 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great video Dr. Cooper. It's been 5 years, any chance you could revisit this in full? I was raised Pentecostal but am kinda in this gray area now where I'm moving more traditional but still believe in a lot of of the spiritual side of charismatics. Anyway, if I have one complaint of Pentecostals its that they were swept up by dispensationalism, and the rapture is a major teaching that accompanies that. I'd love a full examination of this topic, so I can go to my parents with it. I know they'll listen to scripture, they just need to know what it says on the matter.

    • @DrJordanBCooper
      @DrJordanBCooper  ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I've been thinking about doing one of these on dispensationalism and another on amillennialism.

    • @sbwmurray3988
      @sbwmurray3988 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DrJordanBCooper Darby and Scofield please.

    • @joycebegnaud9645
      @joycebegnaud9645 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DrJordanBCooperlooking forward to it, this video just popped up today for me 🥰

    • @lookingup82
      @lookingup82 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch some teachings of Jack Hibbs and Amir Tsarfati. Both have excellent teachings on the Rapture. Amir teachers many things thru Jewish tradition, the why it is set up that way. EScatology is important.

  • @paulfabys
    @paulfabys 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your third point from Luke made me think of this Scripture:
    "9For the evildoers will be cut off,
    but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.
    10Yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more;
    though you look for them, they will not be found.
    11But the meek will inherit the landb
    and delight in abundant prosperity." Psalm 37

  • @derrelleggert5953
    @derrelleggert5953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative! I’m a 27 yr dispensationalist who didn’t know what it even was. More questions than answers since my eyes are opening

  • @bugoutbubba3912
    @bugoutbubba3912 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    You might also do a concordance search in the New Testament, of the word "elect". You'll find there several passages that suggest that the elect are still on earth during the tribulation. If you agree that there is a parallel between these scriptures and the present.

  • @lc-mschristian5717
    @lc-mschristian5717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a young Christian I believed in the Rapture because that was the teaching I was under. As I studied the Bible I had to leave the rapture; it is now LEFT BEHIND.

    • @bradmyers7109
      @bradmyers7109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LC Have you now come to believe based on the biblical texts that after the events of 1 Thess 5:15-18 and John 14;1-3 that you will not go to heaven where God the Father is?

    • @lc-mschristian5717
      @lc-mschristian5717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bradmyers7109 At death I shall be with Christ until the Resurrection. Then I will receive a perfected body without sin and live forever on the new earth always pleasing God.

    • @bradmyers7109
      @bradmyers7109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lc-mschristian5717 I believe that too. My question is this. Do you believe that after the events of 1 Thess 4:15-18 and John 14:1-3 the CHURCH will be taken to heaven where God the Father is with the many rooms?

    • @lc-mschristian5717
      @lc-mschristian5717 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bradmyers7109 On the LAST DAY, the RESURRECTION DAY, Christ will return and Judge all who has ever lived. Those who are alive on that day will be immediately changed, those who had died will return with Jesus and receive their new bodies. This is the end of time and the beginning of eternity.

  • @michellewarren386
    @michellewarren386 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That's how I felt like I was in the days of Noah!

    • @geraldmoore1836
      @geraldmoore1836 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gettimg close but a lot o sings are here now
      Domt ignore.

  • @jessebourneau6426
    @jessebourneau6426 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have studied and devoutly believed the rapture all my life, so good to hear a concise and persuasive proposal to the contrary. Don't know if I'm in complete agreement yet . . . wish we could have coffee sometime.

  • @thermscissorpunch1787
    @thermscissorpunch1787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As someone who was raised in a family and churches that taught of the rapture - specifically in an Independent, Fundamental Baptist and an Independent Quaker Church - but, am questioning the Biblical basis for such an event; I’d like to say that I appreciate this video. However, I do have one minor, or maybe not so minor to some, issue with what was discussed and how it was addressed.
    The first and largest issue was the repeated use of the phrase “Secret Coming of Jesus.” I understand that many base their knowledge of a “Rapture Doctrine” do so on the popular Left Behind series but, these books were always thought of by my family and spiritual leaders to be incorrect on many levels that I won’t delve into here as they involve Pre and Post Tribulation theology as well as whether or not Salvation would be attainable post-rapture. However, the issue here is that we were never taught that the rapture would a secret Second Coming but, rather, a public, highly visible, event that would be seen and heard worldwide. It would then, somehow, possibly by the work of the Anti-Christ be dismissed or explained away to the masses (alien invasion, some form of terrorism, etc.) and might ultimately be used by the Anti-Christ and Satan’s forces as a catalyst for unifying the world under one government body headed by the Anti-Christ.
    The idea being that the people who were “left behind” would be so distraught and angry by the loss of loved ones, coupled with the capacity for humans to deny even that which is painfully and plainly obvious; that they would desire - or possibly have their “hearts hardened” by God, just as he did to the Pharaoh in Exodus - any explanation that denied God and their damnation.
    I realize that to some this may sound funny or odd - especially when you involve possible talk of “aliens” in relation to the Bible - but, to those raised in this teaching, it may go farther and reach more hearts to understand how nuanced the views around a rapture actually are for many. Again, thank you for the explanation and I apologize for the long comment.

    • @madisonwilloughby9525
      @madisonwilloughby9525 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For EVERYTHING the Bible has to say about the rapture, dozens of scriptures across BOTH testaments read here: www.madisonwilloughby.com/rapture-of-christs-church.html .
      Please also read the sister article Rapture:Additional Scriptures. Find the comfort God intends for you as 1 Thess 4:18 and 5:11 teaches!

  • @albertj65
    @albertj65 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know I really think that if a person read the entire Bible on their own without anyone telling them how to interpret the Bible, I don't think they would come up with a pre-trib rapture doctrine.

  • @markbirchall2060
    @markbirchall2060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    If you read the writings of the early church fathers, (some of whom studied under the apostles), they knew nothing of a pre trib rapture. They all knew the only rapture came at the end of days as decribed by Christ in Matthew 24. The idea of a pre trib rapture appeared as a mystical woman's visions and were then used by Cyrus Scofield to add it into his Bible which became very popular in American seminaries. So the rapture as described is one and same as the second coming at the end of the Tribulation. THis has been the only teaching on the subject until the 1800s when a teenage girl had a vision and it spread into Amercian seminaries where it is now taught as doctrine in nearly all churches in America.

    • @dan-Michigan
      @dan-Michigan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you that the rapture comes later. But the Day of the Lord is the rapture and the Second Coming is when Jesus returns to reign for 1,000 years.

    • @manuelester7420
      @manuelester7420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dan-Michigan The day of the Lord is the same event as the first resurrection in revelation 20:1-6 and the same event of Matthew 24 and the same event of 1Thessalonians 4:13 and 2Thessalonians 5.
      Only one second coming. Never 2.

    • @manuelester7420
      @manuelester7420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@seplemisio6155 Jude 1:15-15 is the same event of Mathew 24's resurrection and the same event of revelation 20:1-6 and 1Thessalonians 4:
      The Saints that Jesus returns with are those that sleep in Christ.
      The dead in Christ. That are in heaven now. Then after they are raised, they meet Jesus in the air. Then the rapture happens and they too meet Jesus in the air. Remember Thessalonians says that Jesus will bring with him when he comes, those that sleep.
      The dead in Christ.
      After they are resurrected and meet him in the air, then the rapture happens and also meet Jesus in air. They don't touch down or go to heaven.
      They fly to mount of olives and as they are arriving, people in Jerusalem start filming with cameras and every eye sees him Comming with all the saints that he just resurrected and raptured.
      So they see him coming with all his saints the bible says.
      It's one even as 1Corinthians 15 says.
      Christ the firstfruit, then those who are his at his coming. It doesn't say (COMINGS) . Only one coming.
      Revelation 20:4-6 is the first resurrection and the rapture follows it.
      Ask God for wisdom.
      If you won't ask him, you're full of pride and hate correction .

  • @LyleCooper
    @LyleCooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did the church get it wrong for hundreds of years about Salvation by faith, and then Martin Luther suddenly created a NEW DOCTRINE? No, Paul wrote that Salvation was by Faith, but during the dark ages, this belief nearly disappeared. People then did not have the scriptures to read for themselves. It is the same with the pre-tribulation rapture. Paul taught it and wrote about it. Always remember, his rapture was to come just before God's wrath as in the Day of the Lord. In Revelation the Day of the Lord begins before the 70th Week or "tribulation."

  • @alcidez.A.Torres
    @alcidez.A.Torres 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Every eye will see him when Yeshua returns

  • @3360274
    @3360274 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I grew up in the Southern Baptist churches, but have attended others, as well. When the plagues were sent to Egypt, the lamb's blood on the door facings had the angel of death passover that house. I believe this is the kind of protection we will have once it gets really bad. I ask my friends that believe in the pre trib rapture about the Apostles that walked with Jesus. John was the only one to live to an old age. I believe so he could write Revelation. Judas killed himself, all the others were executed, or stoned. So, if these walked with our Savior, Jesus, and they were tested, do you think we will not be tested? Most wind up with a bewildered look on their face. As many details as Scripture reveals about the tribulation, certainly it would be clear if we were to be rescued before it gets bad. Get yourselves prepared, it is going to get interesting. Remember, Noah prepared.

  • @goinghome553
    @goinghome553 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is One of the reason we left the Lutheran Church. They believe in the traditions of man instead of studying the Bible. It’s sad. Enoch was a type and shadow of the rapture.The Bible didn’t say it would be a secret. At the rapture He meets believers in the air 7 years later He steps on the Mt of Olives.

    • @paulcummins6780
      @paulcummins6780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@atanasiogreene8493 Justin Martyr believed in the rapture. Do you research.

    • @MarkProffitt
      @MarkProffitt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is *No Pre-Tribulation Rapture*
      2 Thessalonians: Antichrist is revealed before Jesus returns.
      1 Thessalonians: The dead in Christ rise before the living. 4:15-17
      Revelation: Many will die refusing the Mark of the Beast.
      20 - First resurrection
      14, 19 - false prophet & people who received the mark of the beast, cast alive into a lake of fire
      13: Beast makes war on the saints & overcomes them
      7:14 - they came out of great tribulation
      Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days...
      1 Corinthians 15:
      52 - at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

  • @OpieApproved
    @OpieApproved 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Please direct your attention to Revelation 14 and Rev 19. It may shed light on this subject for you. If you pay close attention in Rev 14 there was a reaping of the saved, along with the 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 tribes of Israel that Christ will take with him. It was later revealed that they were those that triumphed during the great tribulation. Key point in this chapter is what is said about those that will die in Christ from that point on as the seven last plagues would then be released. Then on Rev 19 Christ comes back with his army for the great battle with the beast and reign a millennium before the earth and the heavens shall pass.

  • @rohaltom
    @rohaltom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Pre-tribs believe the entire 70th week of Daniel equates to "the Day of the Lord's wrath'. This is simply not taught anywhere in the scriptures. A closer look at both old and new testament clearly teaches that God's wrath begins with the heavenly signs of the sun turning black like sack cloth and the moon turning red like blood. It is at this point that people are literally seeking shelter underground. The next obvious question should be what exactly is causing the sun and moon to do this. This celestial event is very likely a solar micronova. There is physical evidence on the Earth and moon that the sun has had massive outbursts in the ancient past with the last one happening about 12,000 years ago and likely caused the Younger Dryas extinction event. Read "Flashes from Normal Stars" by Dr. Bradely Schaefer. The seven trumpet judgements and 7 bowl judgements follow immediately after the heavenly signs. Most of these judgements seem to fit with a large solar event such as a third of the green grass being burned up and 100 pound hailstones falling from the sky. This blast will literally rock the planet as stated in Isaiah 13:13 "Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the LORD Almighty, in the day of his burning anger" (also Isaiah 24:20 and Haggai 2:6 among others). The faithful will certainly be "raptured" prior to this event just as Jesus himself says in Matthew 24:31 regarding angels gathering the elect. I believe we are now in the transition phase that leads up to the final seven years. We should all do our best to prayerfully search the scriptures for understanding.

  • @Seesah3kids
    @Seesah3kids 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where are you getting the idea of a secret rapture from? I've never heard it preached, taught, or talked about as a secret and quiet event. While I don't know if all will hear the shout or the trumpet, Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24:27ththat His coming would be like lightning that shines from one part of the sky to the other, from the east to the west. I spent nearly 20 years in a Baptist church and have never heard the rapture referred to as a secret and quiet event. Just curious as to where/who you got the idea of/information about the rapture being a secret and quiet event.

  • @Edmar_Fecler
    @Edmar_Fecler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Great video; and i’m just gonna be blunt with my 2 cents real quick.
    Frankly i find the concept of a “everyone’s magically sucked up so they dont have to deal with some hardships” rapture disgustingly insulting. Its a spit in the face to all the Christians who have suffered and died for their faith, those highlighted in Revelation’s 5th seal; and goes against the very nature of being Christians. As Christians it is out lot in this life to suffer, for we live in a fallen world rife with the persecution of those who reject God and Jesus. If there is to be a rapture, frankly i believe it would come in the form of mass genocide as the result of a grievous influx of persecution. To imply God’ll just give out a magic “get out of jail free” card to whoever just so happens to be alive at that moment is one of the most unbiblical things i can think of.

    • @bradmyers7109
      @bradmyers7109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Edmar Here are my two cents . So you must believe the Faithful Church must be on earth to suffer God's wrath on the wicked in the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments that contradict God's word.

    • @bradmyers7109
      @bradmyers7109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VOLKHVORONOVICH Read Rev 16:17-21. God is pouring out His wrath on the entire world not just Egypt. Your view contradicts God's word because you believe that after the events of 1 Thess 4, Matt 24:31 and John 14:1-3 the church will not be caught up to heaven to the Father's house or even be in heaven to be married to Jesus in Rev 19:1, 7-9. This is not what the early church fathers taught.

  • @BmxByron1994
    @BmxByron1994 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    it says the lord will come from heaven meaning he is coming to us

  • @bloom_the_artist
    @bloom_the_artist ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Whats up with that guitar strum that shows up several times in the video? Like at 8:46 and 14:32

    • @BrandonHanners
      @BrandonHanners 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Kind of sounds like it could be Windows notifications getting picked up by the mic

  • @lookingup82
    @lookingup82 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Darby? Again? He just noticed how things were going and started recognizing the signs. He didn't make it up, he just brought it out to be studied more. People need to check what you're taught. No matter who it comes through.

    • @quadrasaurus-rex8809
      @quadrasaurus-rex8809 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ya the anti dispensationalism propaganda is silly, they never double check anything they just repeat the “Darby made it up” meme. Darby just systematized what was being discussed for centuries prior (which was a return to apostolic teaching). These folks forget there was no internet so stuff didn’t propagate like it does now, we’re still finding all sorts of people who predate Darby with very similar ideas, and then there’s the ante-nicene fathers as well. These reformed Catholics are stuck in the dark ages really.

  • @Wkumar07
    @Wkumar07 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dr. Cooper, I was raised in the Evangelical tradition and the theory of the rapture was part of my religious education. In fact, I can still remember quite vividly attending a youth conference where the rapture was taught as doctrine and that in order to be believe in Christ one must also believe in the rapture.
    As an adult I have left most of my fundamentalist beliefs behind but none more so than the idea of the rapture. My own private study of Christian theology and church history convinced me that the belief behind the idea was incorrect. Thank you for creating a short video outlining these concepts for others that have questions.

    • @eliolsen745
      @eliolsen745 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why don’t you look into Catholic Church?

    • @Wkumar07
      @Wkumar07 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eliolsen745 I did once.

    • @RaptureofSaints
      @RaptureofSaints 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes! W Kumar!
      The Pre Trib Fable is a Lie made by man that Contradicts the Very Word of God, the Words of Jesus and Paul and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and all other Prophets!
      Jesus will be Coming exactly as Prophesied!

  • @jimwesterbeck6636
    @jimwesterbeck6636 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m going to offer up a counter argument that our ancient fathers of the faith and of the church were themselves deciples of the Apostles who were taught the Pre-Trib Rapture. I suggest reading Ken Johnson’s “Ancient Prophesies Revealed” and his subsequent book on the Rapture.

    • @DianaSzucs-jv7yo
      @DianaSzucs-jv7yo หลายเดือนก่อน

      Get the book you refer to and look at it closely. Look at the citations and compare them to the original words from which the citations were taken. Read them IN CONTEXT. Next, look for an ellipsis in the quotes (three dots which indicate that part of the sentence was removed.) Then go to the original and see for yourself WHAT was removed. Then ask yourself why it was removed.
      Read the entire works from which the books quote. You will find that the original writers were actually post trib (a few were kind - of post wrath.)
      Look for fake "early church fathers" being quoted as real 1st or 2nd century leaders.
      Then consider that if a pretrib escape from the planet were true, why would the author resort to such fakery to prove it?
      Also consider why it is NOT clearly stated in the Bible since the Bible promises that "Surely God will do *nothing* unless he first REVEALETH it to his people the prophets."
      The word translated as "revealeth" means to TELL, ANNOUNCE, REVEAL, *PUBLISH*, STRIP NAKED, MAKE KNOWN LAY BEAR.

    • @bruce8961
      @bruce8961 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      None of what You are Saying is Correct. They were never taught a Pre-Trib Rapture. The LORD Promised We WILL have Persecution and Tribulation in this WORLD. ---- If they have Persecuted me, They Will also Persecute you----- ( John 15:20 ) Yea, and All that will live Godly in Christ Jesus shall Suffer Persecution. ( 2 Timothy 3:12 ) Who shall Separate us from the Love of Christ? Shall Tribulation or Distress or Persecution ----- ( Romans 8:35 )

  • @engineer775
    @engineer775 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You are so misleading to build the straw man of a secret rapture. It is not secret and it is crystal clear in first Thessalonians.

  • @johnlewis8934
    @johnlewis8934 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was a great video I appreciate your help on this topic

  • @kevinmcnally273
    @kevinmcnally273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well said thank you GOD bless in JESUS name amen

  • @jc3132
    @jc3132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you pastor for sharing. The Lord God bless you.

  • @matthewsetzer5251
    @matthewsetzer5251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great teaching ,thank you brother

  • @LyleCooper
    @LyleCooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "at the last trump..." Since Paul is writing of the same rapture event from 1 Thes. 4 and 5, and Paul mentions a trump of God, we can be sure this is talking about the very same event with the very same trumpet. It will CERTAINLY be the last trumpet of the church age, but it is very likely Paul was referencing the last trumpet of the Feast of Trumpets-the ONLY feast when "no man knows the day or the hour."

  • @mayzuno4969
    @mayzuno4969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great argument!!! I’ve been looking for a thorough, clear agrumen against rapture that is clearly unbiblical. Most pastor preach for rapture but something inside me has always felt it doesn’t make sense. Why would Jesus give people yet another chance to believe in him and repent.

    • @bradmyers7109
      @bradmyers7109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      May Of course you must believe it is unbiblical to believe that after John 14:1-3 the people go to heaven, there is a marriage of the Lamb in heaven , and the armies of heaven riding horses are the saints in Rev 19. Something inside of me says your beliefs of a rapture at the Second Coming doesn't make sense.

    • @lorimassacci143
      @lorimassacci143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bradmyers7109 You will go through the tribulation if you’re alive, the rapture doctrine was invented in the 1800s, so get ready for the horrors you’ll witness.

    • @bradmyers7109
      @bradmyers7109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lorimassacci143 There is not one single church father before the 1800's that believed the Faithful Church was going to be on earth during the trumpet and bowl judgments. We are already witnessing tribulations and horrors under the leadership of the Biden administration. Get ready for more.

  • @LyleCooper
    @LyleCooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "None of this has the implication that it is going to be something "secret." As I wrote, "secret" is only a STRAWMAN argument. DID Paul write of a catching up? Certainly He did. Did Paul give us any TIMING information? Certainly He did. His (Paul's) rapture is to come JUST BEFORE wrath and just before the start of the Day of the Lord. In 2 Thes. 2, the departing [of the church is to be understood] comes "first" according to Paul, first before the man of sin is revealed, and when someone sees the revealing, they can know that the Day of the Lord has come and they are then INSIDE THE DAY.

  • @anthonycook8703
    @anthonycook8703 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is the comment I made on first version of this video:
    13:12 "Who are those who are left and who are those who are taken?", speaking of Noah's flood and Sodom & Gomorrah.
    Good question. Couldn't we equally conclude that it was Noah's family who were taken as the water rose and the ark started to float away, and those who were left were those who drowned in the floodwaters?
    And in Sodom and Gomorrah, wasn't it Lot's family who fled and were saved (except for Lot's wife) and the other occupants of these cities were left behind and were killed? Just askin. "

    • @LogosMinistries
      @LogosMinistries 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Good points! I hadn't put those together like that but it shows God's people are protected when trouble arises. 👍

    • @MrCrestejo
      @MrCrestejo หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​Finally someone read it right! Thank you for explaining it!

  • @LyleCooper
    @LyleCooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "all this is wrapped up together as one event..." WRONG! It will be TWO events separated by seven years. All the events of Revelation chapters 8 through 18 will happen BETWEEN the rapture (a coming only to the clouds) an His coming to Armageddon.

    • @julianaallen8477
      @julianaallen8477 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I definitely don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture but do believe there will be a rapture. If you read Matthew 24 30-31 and 1st Thessalonians 4.. there are a few similar things going on as if they are the same event.. hmm..

    • @LyleCooper
      @LyleCooper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@julianaallen8477
      Juliana, do you remember Paul telling us we must "rightly divide" the Word of Truth? The truth of scripture is that when Jesus was alive on the earth, He know NOTHING about Paul and the special dispensation (Ephesians 3) given to Paul for the Gentile church of today. Jesus did not know that a few years after He would raise from the dead, His Father God would put blindness upon the Jews, stop the Jewish timeline, start a Gentile timeline, and send Paul to the Gentiles.
      Jesus could not have known any of this for it was all a mystery Hidden in the Father until some years after Christ rose from the dead. The gospels were about the Jews and for the Jews. Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. It would therefore have been impossible for Jesus to have mentioned anything about Paul's rapture, for it would remain a mystery until a few years after Jesus ascended.
      Finally, we should look, not only for similarities between passages but also the differences. Did you compare the TIMING of Matthew 24 with the timing Paul gave us for his rapture? Paul shows us that the rapture would come JUST before God's wrath as in the Day of His wrath, also called the Day of the Lord.
      On Revelation's timeline, WRATH begins at the 6th seal in Revelation Chapter 6, while Matthew 24 timing of the gathering would be in Revelation chapter 19. The truth of scripture is that all the events in Chapters 7 through 18 must and will take place between the 6th seal start of God's wrath and Jesus coming to Armageddon.
      Therefore, what you suggest is simply impossible when one rightly divides the Word of Truth.

  • @FAITHandLOGIC
    @FAITHandLOGIC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Well done. The Rapture is a lie.

  • @rustynut1967
    @rustynut1967 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I agree with everything you said except those that endure to the end going to Heaven in the rapture. My understanding is we are changed and MEET Him in the air and are with Him as He returns. Very similar to Him being ushered into Jerusalem on a donkey as the Lamb, but now returns on a horse as the Lion and we meet Him in the air to usher Him in.

  • @balkee42
    @balkee42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    So y are all these folks having rapture dreams amd what not

    • @Mpurplemea
      @Mpurplemea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I feel you

    • @balkee42
      @balkee42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Harrison Masih what is the falling away

    • @harrisonmasih1873
      @harrisonmasih1873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don Corleone --- rebellion
      ἀποστασία (apostasia)
      Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular
      Strong's Greek 646: Defection, apostasy, revolt. Feminine of the same as apostasion; defection from truth.
      In simpler terms brother, it means that people will defect from the true gospel message that Jesus, Paul and the disciples taught. Jesus taught repentance from sins.. this was the base of nearly all his messages... but getting back to the point people will have itching ears and will believe more in doctrines of men and devils and so this means they believe in what they want to hear instead of wanting to hear the actual truth which is Jesus.

  • @Genexus8
    @Genexus8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If we read the harvest it should be clear that we should desire is to be left, especially if we read the harvest and psalm 37. We should then be able to take comfort in the truth that the wicked shall be removed. Love the work God is doing in you, keep up the good work he has entrusted in you to speak his truth brother.

  • @christsdisciple3105
    @christsdisciple3105 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think the best rebuttal to this is Revelation and Daniel. In Daniel, we are told that there will be one last week(that is, one last set of seven years) that is separated from the others, which are between Israel going back to their country and Jesus being crucified. These seven years are the Great Tribulation. These events are talked about in Revelation, where we see it is God's wrath being poured out. We are told that we are not destined for... wrath...

  • @MisterN0b0dy
    @MisterN0b0dy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The English phrase “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4 verse 17 translates the Greek word harpazo, which means “to seize upon with force” or “snatch up”. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapturo, the root of the English term “rapture”.
    At the rapture, living believers will be “caught up”, translated into the clouds, to join the Lord Jesus in the air. Paul uses the words “clouds” and “air” to emphasise the reality of the event and draw attention to the fact that there are multiple examples in Scripture of people having already been raptured (“caught up”), including Enoch, Elijah, Philip, Paul, John and of course Jesus at His ascension.
    The description of all these events uses the same terminology to describe the catching away, and Paul intentionally uses the same terminology in 1 Thessalonians 4; an event distinct and separate to the actual Second Coming of Christ to earth.
    Jesus wanted His disciples to understand about His return, so taught about it in a context they would be very familiar with; He spoke of His Second Coming in the context of the Jewish marriage custom; that’s the key to understanding this. This is something completely missed by those following a reformed theology.
    If the rapture does not exist, how could the bride (the church) come WITH Jesus at His return? In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Jesus comes for His church and takes her to His Father’s house (John 14:3). In contrast, at Jesus’ Second Coming with His saints, He descends from heaven to set up His Messianic Kingdom on earth (Matthew 24:27:31).
    There is a difference between the two events. This is further evidenced by how the rapture is characterised in the New Testament as a “mystery” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54), that is, a truth not revealed until
    its disclosure by the apostles (Colossians 1:26), whereas the Second Coming was predicted in the Old Testament. In fact, the oldest prophecy uttered by a prophet was given before the Flood and was about the Second Coming given by Enoch (who himself was raptured without seeing death) and quoted in Jude 1:14-15.
    In summary, the movement of the believer at the rapture is from earth to heaven, whereas at the Second Coming it is from heaven to earth. At the rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), while at the Second Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thessalonians 3:13). And the coming of Jesus with His saints commences Christ’s LITERAL Millennial Kingdom on earth where He will rule from the throne of David in Jerusalem; something else missed by those following an amillennial, reformed theology.

  • @kareizaamune429
    @kareizaamune429 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thanks for throwing great light on this topic. This is sooooo true.

    • @madisonwilloughby9525
      @madisonwilloughby9525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For EVERYTHING the Bible has to say about the rapture, dozens of scriptures across BOTH testaments read here: www.madisonwilloughby.com/rapture-of-christs-church.html .
      Please also read the sister article Rapture:Additional Scriptures. Find the comfort God intends for you as 1 Thess 4:18 and 5:11 teaches!

  • @nancygreen8186
    @nancygreen8186 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I read my Bible pretty much by myself and I never put together the rapture. I put together that the word was saying we go through the tribulation and then Jesus comes..back

  • @usselpasoable
    @usselpasoable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    pastor, I once heard a great reason for the meeting in the air. The billions of people would require such a place to be together

    • @VOLKHVORONOVICH
      @VOLKHVORONOVICH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And what makes you think there will be billions? As said in Luke 13:23-25, "Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:"

    • @JesusProtects
      @JesusProtects 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@VOLKHVORONOVICH because revelation also mentions a multitude of saved people that no one can number. In comparison there will be a lot less saved than condemned, but the number is still a big number.

    • @FirefighterAliveJC
      @FirefighterAliveJC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m pretty sure the number of Christians from the time of His death until even now would equal 1 billion. However, that’s nothing compared to how many are not numbered among them.

  • @denzelminimo1883
    @denzelminimo1883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro. Cooper, I agree with you, even if I came from a different Christian Church.

  • @vickiwoody7385
    @vickiwoody7385 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Rapture will be secret.

  • @txgsu43
    @txgsu43 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Throwback video from back before Dr. Cooper could afford academic garb.

  • @michellewarren386
    @michellewarren386 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had a rapture dream and the weird thing is my ex drew a picture of a raptur/T Rex type thing I've been grieving for 3 years and I had s near death experience and all the scriptures opened up and I believe it's the soul that gets raptured... There's more to the story!

    • @catsclub12566
      @catsclub12566 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What do u mean

    • @harrisonmasih1873
      @harrisonmasih1873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hey there sister in christ....if there is no scripture (in the right context) to back up what you saw in your dream.....then the bible says not to be easily shaken by it.. have you prayed about it? i think it would be a good idea to adk God about what the dream was aboutand also the bible says to test every spirit.... to see if it is from God or not.

    • @AndreaMendoza-ym9ep
      @AndreaMendoza-ym9ep 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the soul???....

    • @lunarbunny3021
      @lunarbunny3021 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@catsclub12566 if the pre-tribulation rapture exists at all...it’s a rapture of the soul and not the body
      In other words..you’re going to die

  • @LyleCooper
    @LyleCooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "It's never been a part of Lutheran tradition..." How sad that something so clearly written is not believed by most Lutherans.

  • @BaqashBlogs
    @BaqashBlogs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is quite concerning the amount of Christians that believe in a pre trib rapture. These people are not going to know what to do with themselves and their faith when the tribulation falls upon them

    • @jenniferunderhill2429
      @jenniferunderhill2429 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a great point for those who believe in the rapture and those who don't. God wants all of us to read for ourselves to know what he places on our hearts to what the truth is and it's not my opinion, yours, or the guy who presented this video that is wright. All of us need to just stay close to Jesus for what is coming. We are all being tested and need to love one another no matter what. That is what He commands us to do until the mystery is reavealed.

  • @AndreaMendoza-ym9ep
    @AndreaMendoza-ym9ep 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So everyone saying “JESUS IS COMING BACK VERY VERY SOON!!” are wrong then...because the rapture is a false teaching. It literally makes no sense. Why would it be a “secret”. Like, when Jesus comes back it’s going to be a big event, not split into two. We will all go through the Tribulation

    • @connj67
      @connj67 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrea Mendoza
      Sorry, Jesus said that that generation would witness the Destruction of the Temple and the End of the Age. The Apostles very clearly said they were in the Last Days. The culminated in 70AD.

  • @thomaspudgy6623
    @thomaspudgy6623 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    More and more, I'm beginning to believe that these types of questions do more to separate than unify those with faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, because every doctrine and dogma, like The Rapture, is subordinate in importance to our preeminent belief and faith in Jesus Christ. That said, I am not, yet, convinced that the Rapture will occur before the Tribulation, but I sure hope it does happen and I certainly understand why some call it the "Blessed Hope"; the opposite belief holds the promise of a hell on earth, for all living believers.
    As to your point that you say disprove the pre-trib rapture, I find them unconvincing. As others here have already pointed out, the promise that Jesus gives to the Church of Philadelphia, in Revelation 3, indicates that Church and, possibly, others finding themselves in a similar "open door" situation can certainly hope to be kept from the tribulation. Also, your "taken-left" analysis, while agreeing with the Catholic view, may leave something to be desired. For examples, couldn't one say that Noah, Lot, and their families, the Israelites in Egypt, as well as Enoch and Elijah were all "taken", from their respective "worlds", while leaving others to face the realities of a world without Jesus?
    Just food for thought.

    • @VOLKHVORONOVICH
      @VOLKHVORONOVICH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Regarding Revelation 3:10, [Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.], many use this as a "proof" of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But John 17:15 completely discounts this. "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.] The Lord Himself denies the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. He prays that the Church not be taken out of the world; they say that the Church will be taken out of the world.
      Now as far as "types" that some use to promote a Pre-Tribulation Rapture belief, Noah and Lot (both being taken out of the Antedeluvian world, and Sodom, Gomorrah, respectively) are, contrary to popular opinion, not forerunners of the Rapture. They are, rather, examples of those who escape the Great White Throne Judgment. There is no escape for the wicked and sinners who stand before God on that Day and are not covered by Christ's Blood. Likewise, other than Lot and his family and Noah and his family, no one escaped their respective conflagrations. But, during the Great Tribulation period, there will be those who come to repentance, as it says in Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."
      The Israelites in Egypt, in effect, were raptured out of Egypt after the Wrath of God in the Plagues was levelled on the black land. And the Israelites were protected from seven out of the final ten plagues. Just so shall the remnant of the Church on the Earth be protected from the Wrath of God in the Seven Vials in Revelation 16.
      And Enoch was "raptured" exactly six hundred, sixty nine (669) years before the Flood, which hardly looks like the "escaping by the skin of their teeth" of Noah and Lot.
      Lastly, Elijah, was not taken away to avoid some great terrible judgment. And if Elijah was supposed to represent the Raptured Church, what was Elisha supposed to represent? Can't say that he was an unbeliever who got "left behind."

    • @thomaspudgy6623
      @thomaspudgy6623 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@VOLKHVORONOVICH Thanks, for your reply to my post. In my opinion, the only "proof" of truth comes from God and not from what you, I, or anyone else says, so I won't say you are wrong and that I or anyone else is correct in their view of the Rapture. Like a lot of other beliefs that individuals and churches hold, the truth is what it is. The one key truth that supersedes all other beliefs is our reliance upon Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Other than that, we can discuss amongst ourselves what is true or untrue, hopefully without fear of eternal correction. With that said, it can be argued that John 17:15 was being said about those followers of Jesus who were present at that time and not about future believers, as stated in John 17:20, "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word". In any case. I can appreciate that believers want to escape the tribulation, as described in Revelation. In fact, I can even pray for that reality. We'll all know that truth soon enough.

    • @VOLKHVORONOVICH
      @VOLKHVORONOVICH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thomaspudgy6623 [1] It could be argued that John 17:15 was not referring to future believers-but not very convincingly. For one thing, look at what the verse itself says-“I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.”
      So, did God keep them from the evil, or did He not?
      Peter-crucified (at his own request) upside down.
      James- beheaded by order of Herod Antipas,
      Andrew-crucified on an X-shaped cross.
      Philip-uncertain.
      Bartholomew-skinned alive.
      Thomas-stabbed with spears.
      Matthew-slain with a halberd.
      James, son Alphaeus-beaten and stoned to death.
      Jude-hewn to death.
      Simon Zealotes-crucified.
      John-only one of whom there is no account of his death.
      So that passage doesn't seem to apply very well to those at the Last Supper. In fact, I see no reason that would limit it to just those-and not, rather, to all who have believed in Him in the future. The only reason one might want to believe so, was because they have already decided to believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture-and this is one of the (many) verses that disprove it.
      But Scripture absolutely demonstrates that Jesus (in verse 15) was not praying just for the disciples at the Last Supper-because in verse 20, He says-“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word.”
      I just reread what you wrote. You first of all write, “...it can be argued that John 17:15 was being said about those followers of Jesus who were present at that time and not about future believers, as stated in John 17:20, "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word"” Have you really read carefully what you wrote? You say that John 17:15 might just be talking about the eleven at the Last Supper-but you bring in verse 20, which does not confirm your point, but completely disproves it! Jesus specifically prays, not just for the eleven-but for all the believers who would come after them. And while they would not be kept from suffering, they would be kept from the great evil. You're proving my point.

    • @VOLKHVORONOVICH
      @VOLKHVORONOVICH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thomaspudgy6623 [2] Now earlier you said that such things as the Pre versus Post Rapture debates serve more to divide the Church than to unify it. I'm going to answer that.
      If I'm discussing music with someone and I tell them I like Classical, and they tell me they like Country, we don't have an argument or a debate. These are matters of taste and personal preference.
      But if I tell that same someone that 2+2=4, and they try to argue that 2+2 is really 7, then we have a problem, because this no longer a matter of taste and preference. It is a matter of truth and falsity. 2+2 can either equal, 4 or it can equal 7-but it cannot equal both. If one of them is true, the other must be false.
      Now I can take two quarters and hold them in my left hand while in my right hand I hold two other quarters. Then I take the two quarters in my left hand and put them together with the two quarters in my right hand and I then have, in both hands, four quarters. By these actions I have just proven that 2+2=4. Most people would agree with this.
      But what happens if this other person refuses to accept my proof? What if they try to say, “Yes-but because of the Law of Bongo Bongo, the second two has to be regarded as a five-thus 2+2 actually equal 7.” Would you not say that such a person had lost their mind? At the least you would think that they had no grasp of science, mathematics or logic.
      Yet this is exactly the kind of thinking that the believers in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture exhibit. As you say, “I can appreciate that believers want to escape the tribulation, as described in Revelation. In fact, I can even pray for that reality.” But we do not search for the Truth in Scripture based upon what we think the Bible ought to say; we don't filter it through our own wishes and desire as if they are the basis of reality; as if God is bound to consult our hopes and dreams before He can be allowed to act.
      If it was simply a matter of personal taste and preference, there would be no reason for me to write. If it was just a matter of one or two verses, there would not be enough to make a strong case in favor, or against. But when the Pre-Tribulation Rapture believer brings forth Scripture to prove his point-and I can refute every single one of them and show what the Scripure is actually saying...
      Scripture does not allow multiple interpretations-yet people continually offer them. For instance, Jesus said that not even He knew the Hour of His Return-but how many out-and-out heretics have figured that they knew better than Jesus and predicted the date of the Rapture? And how many of them have been right?
      In not making a stand because of what you call the “fear of eternal correction,” one might be in danger of even greater eternal correction. A Christian should know what he believes. And that belief should be firmly founded on Scripture. He should have invested sufficient time and study and above all-prayer to determine the Truth of Scripture. To any who think my attitude to cocky and self-assured to actually have a handle on the truth, I respond that I was not raised to think that to be a Christian means to be timid and uncertain and vague; neither was I raised to believe that the Truth of Scripture was determned by voting upon it. So, I say (with the four beasts of Revelation)-“Come and see.” Show me your proofs and I will show you what the Scripture actually says.

    • @VOLKHVORONOVICH
      @VOLKHVORONOVICH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thomaspudgy6623 [3] Second Peter 1:20 says-“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation...”
      This in no way means that if we come up with an idea on our own it can't be true. Neither does it mean that Tradition must first determine what we believe and that if we are proposing something different from a thousand year old tradition, we are automaticlly in the wrong.
      Rather, the word “private” is translated from the Greek word, “Idios.” “Idios” is the root of our English word, “idiot.” But “Idios” doesn't have the same meaning-the sense is different. “Idiot” is defined as someone with an I.Q. anywhere from 0 to 25. But “Idios” gives the sense of “separation.” That is, an “idiot” was separated from the common run of humanity because of his almost total inability to communicate and interact.
      Thus, when Peter says that no Scripture is of any private interpretation, he is saying that no Scripture is to be “separated” from its place in Scripture and taken out of context. And that is what a lot of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture believers do. They find a Scripture or two and they thnk they have proven their case. They keep it all on the surface and never go very deep in their research. They don't think they need to.

  • @carlcizek1611
    @carlcizek1611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now for the serious bible student. 1Cor 15 is the second resurrection after the millennium when death is destroyed last. Paul is quoting Isaiah. Isaiah says death will be destroyed and God will wipe away the tears from our eye.
    Where do you find god wiping away tears. Rev 21. Where we also find death is no more.
    The blink of a eye phrase describes the catching up of the living at the catching up aka the rapture.

  • @dafflad1
    @dafflad1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Crapture

  • @sbubb9155
    @sbubb9155 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Added scriptures that tells us its best to be left behind.
    John 17 ( Immanuals prayer )
    2 Esdras 13 v 16-25
    2 Peter 1v5
    Is Ch 24
    Book of Enoch
    Immanual is coming soon.
    Is 7v14
    Mat 1v22-23

  • @jimoaks9270
    @jimoaks9270 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    historical? it was hid in God from the foundation of the world. (Eph 3:8,9) there are several dispensations otherwise we all would build our own arks and still be sacrificing critters. God told different bible characters different things!
    who called it a secret? Jesus doesn’t descend “to the earth” for the rapture.
    one taken, other left is at the end of tribulation and it refers to separation of the tares and wheat.
    Paul doesn’t discuss 2 Jesus trips because the body of Christ won’t be here for the 2nd trip at the end of the tribulation.

  • @marierose4257
    @marierose4257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was raised Lutheran and I never remembered one sermon ever being taught about the end times or the rapture. I have come to my own conclusion that there is no rapture. It is no more than a false teaching.

    • @kauaifishing1365
      @kauaifishing1365 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fear???? How does the Lord coming to get His bride instill fear?

    • @denzelminimo1883
      @denzelminimo1883 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kauaifishing1365 the Rapture is more of a fearmongering tactic than a prophecy

    • @kauaifishing1365
      @kauaifishing1365 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
      ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬
      bible.com/bible/1/col.2.8.KJV

    • @kauaifishing1365
      @kauaifishing1365 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here is your scripture. Scripture not opinions of man

  • @rhondaray6488
    @rhondaray6488 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Folks should study the book of Ezekiel. It tells more about what is coming in the final days then the book of Revelations. There's no rapture. The gathering of God's people is an army and we'll have to stand against those who've sided with the anti christ. In Ezekiel God speaks against the teaching of the rapture theory.

  • @jediv9910
    @jediv9910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *Not very good arguments*
    1. Not historical taught does not mean its not in the Bible. You are citing a fallacious argument.
    2. - No one says rapture needs to be quiet. 1 Thes 4:17 says so. Even the word "harpazo" came from 1 Thes 4:17.
    - No one really says its secret either. Lol. Fallacious arguments again. Day of the Lord = Judgement Day/2nd Coming.
    - Saying its one event does not prove there is no rapture either.
    3. Luke 17:22?
    - This is not even quiet. It's in public.
    - Wrong. Lot and family was taken. The sinful were left in Sodom.
    - Noah's family was taken by God unto the ark. Those remained were ungodly.
    So once again you are just using fallacious logic of relativity. Not an argument at all.
    4. 1 Cor 15:52.
    - Again rapture does not have to be quiet. You are making fallacious statement again.
    - One event does not prove these is no rapture. Once again fallacious statement.
    5. Mark 13, Mat 24.
    - Once again single event does not prove there is no rapture. Lol.
    - Jesus did need to say there are two events?
    - Even for Jesus 1st Coming, Bible does not say there is a 2nd Coming. Isa 61:2a refers to 1st Coming. Isa 61:2b refers to 2nd Coming. By reading it for thousand of years, no one realised there were 2 Comings of Jesus.
    So you are just making another fallacious argument.
    Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn,
    *You are just proving there is rapture that coincides with 2nd Coming and its loud, not quiet.*

  • @zmanawsome
    @zmanawsome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would be very interested to see you do a video on the millennial reign.

  • @jpzolo58
    @jpzolo58 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with you 100%. The church is being taught this without studying for themselves.

  • @kingdavid5529
    @kingdavid5529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The great tribulation is nigh, even at the doors.

  • @romanthechristian5237
    @romanthechristian5237 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My girlfriend believes in the rapture. I’m not so sure I do.

  • @arthurwatt4144
    @arthurwatt4144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In thessalonians paul talked about the dead rising caught up in the air at jesus second coming. The bible talks of a second coming not a third and no secret stealing away. A trumpet shall sound and every eye shall see.

  • @LyleCooper
    @LyleCooper ปีที่แล้ว

    "This doesn't appear to be a secret event..." STRAWMAN argument. Paul NEVER said it was "secret."

  • @k9builder
    @k9builder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pastor Cooper, not to speak out of place, but as a fellow Lutheran, I would like to recommend an older book about this topic. The title is "Things to Come for Planet Earth". It was written by Aaron Luther Plueger in 1977 and published by Concordia Publishing of St. Louis. It is a good read and refutes much of what Hal Lindsey was teaching about the rapture and end times during that era. I agree that the rapture, as it is understood by most evangelicals, is not taught in scripture. I am often amazed at how often they try to predict this event and fail, only to try again, which of itself seems to be evidence that the doctrine is likely false. I won't say that they are false Christians, they may truly be sincere, just sincerely wrong about a particular issue.

  • @donhaddix3770
    @donhaddix3770 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did the term 'rapture' come from?
    Regarding the term rapture and its use in theology the following should answer your questions. It is taken from Ryrie’s Basic Theology, Electronic Media from Parsons Technology.
    Our modern understanding of rapture appears to have little or no connection with the eschatological event. However, the word is properly used of that event. Rapture is a state or experience of being carried away. The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.
    The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.
    ***Editor's Note: The Latin Vulgate actually used a different form of the same verb-- "Rapiemur" instead of "Rapturo." The point and connections Ryrie is making remain the same.***
    harpazó
    Strong's Concordance
    harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
    Original Word: ἁρπάζω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: harpazó
    Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
    Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
    Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    catch, seize, take by force.
    From a derivative of haireomai; to seize (in various applications) -- catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
    see GREEK haireomai

  • @deneentorkelson6131
    @deneentorkelson6131 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for helping me understand why we Lutherans do not believe in the Rapture. The point I found the most interesting is that the ones taken are the damned, not the saved! ✝️

    • @williamredfield6006
      @williamredfield6006 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @deneentorkelson6131 - It has been 4 years... Have you continued your study of Scripture? I ask because you wrote, "The point I found the most interesting is that the ones taken are the damned, not the saved!"
      You understand that the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John) are a segue from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, correct? If so, it is because you noted in the Gospel of Matthew that Jesus on two separate occasions pointed out that His ministry was to the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (10:6; 15:24). With that in mind, you also noted that in Matthew 24:15 Jesus makes a specific reference to the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION spoken of through Daniel the Prophet, which led you to study an amazing book in the Old Testament, Daniel, who spoke about this abomination and what it is and to whom it is directed, which helped you make sense of why Jesus in Matthew 24 also spoke about fleeing Jerusalem and praying that that flight might not be on a Sabbath.
      The Sabbath, and all the Sabbaths of the seven Feasts of Israel, like the Feast of Unleavened Bread for instance (two Holy Convocations in that one - Leviticus 23), are a sign between God and Israel (Exodus 31:12-18; Ezekiel 20:10-20); therefore, it is not directed at the Church, that is, the Body of Christ made up of believer's (John 3:18), who are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God unto salvation (Ephesians 1:13-14; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Colossians 1:24-25).
      As to the ones taken in Matthew 24:40-41, we see the wicked removed as Christ Jesus establishes His Kingdom on earth following the catastrophic events of the Tribulation. Unfortunately, this does not concur with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 or John 14:1-3 or 1 Corinthians 15:50-58 where it is believers that are taken and changed and brought into the presence of God the Father. But you already figured that out, didn't you?
      Is it not amazing that we live in a time where we are witnessing the fulfilling of prophecy before our very eyes? Israel is back in the land and Jerusalem has become that burdensome stone to the nations (Zechariah 12:2-3).
      Does the question ever come up, why is there always so much news about Jerusalem? or, Why has the United Nations during its history levied so many more sanctions against Israel than all the other nations combined?
      Well, you've been studying God's love letter to humanity, so, I'm sure you've got the picture well in hand.
      To the Glory of God and His Christ!

  • @chadhudson4500
    @chadhudson4500 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was raised in a church, denomination, that taught the pre-trib return. When I got into my 30's I wondered why the end times passages were so difficult to understand. Once I changed my mind on the pre-trib rapture, those passages made much more sense. My God is not a God of confusion...

  • @mak88119
    @mak88119 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How do you explain I Thes 4: 13-17
    3 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
    and also note the Church is no longer mentioned after Rev 4

    • @roccohoon2628
      @roccohoon2628 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      all info you mention can happen during the 2nd coming 1 time event the dead people will come alive and we will be caught up like the verse said this can happen the same time God can make multiple events happen in quick session including judging everyone

    • @brucegolston6507
      @brucegolston6507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A. What this does not say is that it happens before the tribulation or before the antichrist is revealed. Pretribulational presuppositions cause people to hallucinate things that are not there.
      B. The church not being mentioned is not the same as the church not being present. Does it say that the church is gone? No? Then it is wrong to assume that it is.

    • @jacobstefanec7683
      @jacobstefanec7683 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The word εκκλησία (church) is neither used in Mark, Luke, John, the first 15 chapters in Romans, 2 Timothy, Titus, Hebrews, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, or Jude.
      I don’t think the lack of it after revelation 4 means too much.

    • @thereturn2361
      @thereturn2361 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jacobstefanec7683 Excellent reply. I have also done the same search you did and found that just because the word "church" is not in the text, it doesn't mean it is not there or the scriptures don't apply to it. All new testament believers are part of the church and there are obviously believers in the tribulation as the antichrist wars against them.

  • @dukepeterson
    @dukepeterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your explanation is inaccurate. Sitting in a room full of books does not make you seem smarter. The rapture is taught by Paul. Jesus does not descend to the earth at the rapture. Not one event. You are a very confused young man. The one taken and the one left passage has nothing to do with the rapture but with Jesus’ second coming.

  • @johnharrington6122
    @johnharrington6122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is so sad! I’m sorry for you and your doctrine of men! This is the very thing the Apostle Paul warned about.My wife and I were members of Trinity Lutheran Church in San Pedro Ca. where Lawrence Christianson was Pastor in the 1970’s, a leader in the Charismatic Movement at that time.We left when we moved. I think they would have been appalled at your teaching! All the early Church fathers followed Paul’s teaching of the Mystery of the Rapture! I hope and pray for you that you come to understand Paul’s fellowship of the Mystery! Blessings, John

    • @atanasiogreene8493
      @atanasiogreene8493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      John Harrington the early fathers did not believe in this it is found no where in the church fathers it did not come around until John Nelson Darby created the doctrine of a rapture in the 1830s. If you think they are going by the traditions of men then you are as well because you are following interpretations and interpretative traditions of other men.

    • @candyclews4047
      @candyclews4047 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @br1anm150k I watched the video in your link but two glaring mistakes surfaced. First problem is Pope Francis regularly affirms that Jesus is the Christ, the God-man, something Scripture tells us the Antichrist will not do (see 1 John 2:22, 2 John 1:7). Second problem is that 'Vicar of Christ' means Christ's representative on earth. The Pope certainly does not stand in place of Christ. Even some Protestant Churches have 'Vicars' because that is what this word means - a 'representative' of Christ, here on earth. Such ignorance leads people astray.

    • @kingdavid5529
      @kingdavid5529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nobody in the early Church taught this doctrine. It was invented a couple of hundred years ago and is not in the Bible. This doctrine will cause many people, small and great in the Church to deny Christ, as they will disbelieve in Christ as this will not happen - but this is not what Christ taught.

  • @KJ-ci3hm
    @KJ-ci3hm ปีที่แล้ว

    Around the beginning of August 2023, God gave me these words.
    To all believers in Jesus Christ,
    "WARNING, there is a final push by the enemy to discredit the Pre-Rapture of the body of Christ,"
    The body of Christ will not go through the tribulation period. Jesus promised to take the believers to his Father’s house in heaven. The Rapture is our hope, so look for his coming and PURIFY YOURSELVES, for he is pure.
    St. John 14:1-4 1 John 3:1-3 St. John 17:24

  • @kerryhouser2989
    @kerryhouser2989 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If you don't believe in the Rapture you will miss it.

    • @vaneg9299
      @vaneg9299 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To believe in the rapture is not a must to go to heaven.

    • @RaptureofSaints
      @RaptureofSaints 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vaneg9299 All who have died in God and will Die in God BEFORE Jesus comes have Gone to Heaven and Will go to Heaven UNTIL that Day of Christs Coming!
      For them it is all about Abiding in Christ and having a Relationship with Jesus!
      It is Certainly not about the Rapture!
      For us that still live on earth and Trust in Jesus it is all about Abiding in Christ and having a relationship with Jesus because we could die tonight, tomorrow or the day after!
      Once you die you have no control over where you go!
      It is all about having a relationship in Christ because when Jesus does COME He will bring with Him all that have died and they will enter into their Resurrected Bodies BEFORE they will be Raptured into the Air!
      When Jesus does Come all that are Abiding in Christ will have their Bodies changed to Immortal before they will be Raptured into the Air!
      If you have no Relationship with Jesus you will NOT be in the Rapture!
      If you are NOT in the Resurrection of the Dead you again will NOT be in the Rapture!
      It is TRUE, the Rapture is NOT a Salvation issue!
      Being in Christ and being in the Resurrection of the Dead is what matters and MUST take place BEFORE we will ever be Raptured!
      Rapture only means to be Seized and Moved from One Place to Another and NOTHING more!
      Too many Idolise the Rapture above having a Relationship in Jesus!

    • @roywhite8504
      @roywhite8504 ปีที่แล้ว

      Show us in scripture to show us we’re wrong. You can’t because your wrong.

  • @momdad5368
    @momdad5368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My church teaches dispensationism. My biggest problem with it is that Jesus teaches that the last days are not ours to know. We are supposed to be like the ten virgins- prepared.

  • @kushadasi
    @kushadasi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you very much! Can you say something about the man of sin? Do we have to wait for a future antichist, is the word temple meant literally? I know what Luther thought of, but it is not satisfying to me. 2.Thess. 2,3-8 and 1. John 2,18 + 4,2

    • @RaptureofSaints
      @RaptureofSaints 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Paul told us the Truth in 2 Thessalonians 2 that Jesus will NOT be Coming to gather us Together to Himself UNTIL the Son of Perdition is revealed!
      If it was Good Enough and Important enough for Paul to Warn the Church about this Truth then it is Good enough and True enough that we are to Declare the same Truth today!
      Jesus will NOT be Coming to Gather us Together to Himself UNTIL the Son of Perdition is revealed!
      We MUST NOT be deceived by a spirit, by anyones letters and by anyones words!

    • @madisonwilloughby9525
      @madisonwilloughby9525 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For EVERYTHING the Bible has to say about the rapture, dozens of scriptures across BOTH testaments read here: www.madisonwilloughby.com/rapture-of-christs-church.html .
      Please also read the sister article Rapture:Additional Scriptures. Find the comfort God intends for you as 1 Thess 4:18 and 5:11 teaches!

  • @fredr7217
    @fredr7217 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m a Pentecostal and used to believe in the rapture, but I’m now leaning away from that. I’m also Lutheran educated

  • @versorama
    @versorama 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    bible teaches nothing about any secret rapture... it does teach that the true believers will go thru a tribulation before Jesus comes to put an end to the earthly systems and powers... none of this will be secret nor quiet... it will be very visible, very loud, very real...

  • @JosephEBass
    @JosephEBass 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    God does not to physically remove us from the Earth to keep us from his wrath. God has very good aim!

    • @madisonwilloughby9525
      @madisonwilloughby9525 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, He doesn't have to, but He has promised to and either you trust Jesus to keep that promise, and leave with Him at the rapture, or you place your trust in the tribulation and stay behind for it.
      It's really that simple. And scary.

    • @madisonwilloughby9525
      @madisonwilloughby9525 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @4:48 AM Those verses reference the second coming of Christ, NOT the rapture of the church. You cannot build a sound doctrine on the rapture, OR any subject, by using a verse or two out of context. You must use everything the Bible says about any given subject, in order to properly understand what God wants you to know.
      www.madisonwilloughby.com/rapture-of-christs-church.html