It made sense that way though. Bad omen was meant to be some kind of curse pillagers gave you for killing their squad. They would raid the village for revenge. There was milk for a reason, they should have just added the time limit.
@@mikim_x yeah you’re right that made more sense But from a gameplay perspective I think I can understand the change Like you won’t always have milk on you, and you might come across a village with the effect on but not be ready for a raid
Already found a use. In single raid farms (not stacking) you would usually need a captain bank or pillager outpost but now you can get 7 ominous bottles per raid.
Honestly it makes more sense to have it be the bad omen effect, it gives an extra challenge to the early game, and the change makes raids no longer a threat at all
Bad omen effect is not a challenge when you can get rid of it with a bucket and a cow. Those are not end game items I can get those well before I can find a patrol.
It makes sense mechanically, but it doesn't in any other way. Like the whole point of bad omen, is that pillagers get mad at you for killing their captrain, so they attack your village, but now, if you drink a weird potion, they get mad, but if you kill their captain they don't? I'm not a huge fan of that, and I don'T think the powercreep from raid farms is that bad.
Its 100% just a means to break raid farms and make the game more grind intense. Cause spending dozens or even hundreds of hours building these farms is somehow not enough grind.
@@solidmoon8266 >Its 100% just a means to break raid farms and make the game more grind intense. Me, loading a shulker full of ominous potions and using them to constantly afk the raids directly, without having to go back and forth over and over. >Cause spending dozens or even hundreds of hours building these farms is somehow not enough grind. Are you seriously spending THAT long building a fucking raid farm?? Have you never played Minecraft over any length of time? The game changes, old designs break or become inefficient, rebuild it again. ...not to mention this really isnt even a "mandatory" build either. Nor does this break any unless you've got a COMPLETELY automated setup that moves you between the outpost and village on it's own...
Yeah although it was still a potion effect you could clear with milk so it never really made sense, but it makes less now. Coulda been an ominous horn or something.
Tbh the new omen system is kinda dumb. Raid captains used to force you into a raid, but now they just give you the potion and are like "pls drink dis in a villag". It's dumb
@@WarlordGamerZ0009 is this really your nickname? "SUBSCRIBE FOR MINECRAFT,FREE FIRE , BGMI ETC. GAME VIDEOS" in description, also. I hope you'll grow up and understand how stupid you're acting.
Maybe it's similar to "bad luck" potion. In some RPGs, like Pokemon for example, you could use an item to decrease encounter rates, and also use an item to increase encounter rates.
I don’t really like the way the ominous bottle activates a raid because I liked the way you would walk into a village and go “oh shoot, I just started a raid” it’s much more action filled and spontaneous
Not always good idea. If you go to your base and the raid starts its so triggering. Always thinking where to get milk before going close to youre villagers.
Idk I feel like the change is pretty unnecessary. I've never even "accidentally" started a raid, the captains are pretty obvious looking, either avoid them or just don't go to a village while the bad omen is on,, idk the new version just doesn't make much sense and it does indeed ruin people's farms, it feels like there isn't really much gain only cost
I dont really like the idea of pillagers getting mad of you if you drink a potion, and not because you killed them. I think a better solution would be to use shears (i guess?) to tear their banner, then you'd get the effect.
It's not that I think. The potion is meant to trigger ominous events and raid just happens to be one of those events. Same goes with ominous trials. Its not the pillagers getting mad because you drank a potion. It's the event being triggered because you drank the potion.
@@papadkumar2669 it being a video game is irrelevant and your comment made no sense when you miss the point, he points out that this new mechanic doesnt make sense and the old 1 is better
Im going to say it, as someone who doesn't venture into mass production farms (unless i decide i want a giant crop farm just for the looks), i see this as an absolute win for my play. I can live near vilages and not worry about random patrols causing random raids when i don't want them. I can actually turn patrol spawning back on.
@@luismedina5792 nah, I want hunger, mobs, and damage. I just tend to set up near villages and don't do well with raids if I must save my villagers from patrols
@@luismedina5792 Maybe not everything manually, I can see myself making good use of certain automated stone/tree farms for larger projects, but not anything as bad as auto raid farms, or auto iron farms.
@@TheRealNiko no, it's not good. formerly you would have to either find a cow and drink its milk or wait the effect out by avoiding villages. now raids will almost never happen without the player chugging a potion which ruins raids as they were intended to limit the player's access to villages, not only spawn when you want them to. the witch redstone drop buff is way too OP too
I don't think it's that they're mad at you for drinking the potion. Rather, I think they used magic on the potion to be able to track your location if you drink it.
@@higueraft571 how is sleeping in a bed to reset your spawnpoint stupid? In other games, campfires set your respawn point and even heal you. The pillager system was fine before, changing it now to drinking a potion IS stupid
You know they could have simply found a way to do both at once Like instead of dropping a potion, they drop an item that's supposed to be used to call reinforcements. Like a new horn type that signals "We need help". It would accomplish the same goal in terms of gameplay and would make lore sense as the item is meant to call reinforcements
Yeah like that's why you have bad omen. It's because an effect that signifies they are watching you and as soon as they see you are at a village they get ready to plunder
True! I know this change is necessary to balance the game and prevent you from automatically trigger raid in village (even though you could use milk) but Bad Omen being a drinkable potion just sound so lame compared to a curse or Illager making you their target and tried to ambush you in village.
I think it had more sense before.... Because like: you killed our captain! Now we will destroy everything and everyone you love And if there's splash potion of bad omen then you can still make an afk farm, just with a little more of redstone, I think
I sont like the raid one. Raids should also happen when we don’t want it. When we kill a chef we want to be scared of going to a village because a raid would start.
But now you’re physically choosing to do the war crimes.. and it kinda takes out a bit of the idea of a raid, more like a invitation, and I know people who kill a raid captain usually go to a village to start a raid which is the same aspect, but I wish they had originally made small little skirmishes at villages with a raid captain so if you personally kill the raid captain in the village then it’s more accidental
Umm... There aren't any war crimes in the meta-game, where the player _knows_ that their character will get attacked if they go to a village, because there's no war in the meta. You're playing a game, enjoying a nice burrito. 😊 There's no war crime in-game when you travel to a village to face the consequences, because you're defending a village from an attack, and you can't stop living your life just because somebody's mad at you. You gotta deal with it, one way or another. But, if we're talking about crimes, how about the enslavement of villagers by the player? That's pretty much a standard requirement for advanced play, and it's arguably worse than intentionally having a big flight in someone's town.
Taking away a risk/reward factor like bad omen is literally the dumbest thing that mojang can do, especially when one of the biggest problems in the game is that its way too easy.
@haja. I agree but I actually like doing raids and the only reason they are op isn't because of a balancing issue it's a player behavior issue because that's what the current gameplay loop encourages
@@mildewmatthew go ahead. make item sorter using only iron that you get from mining. i mean its only 5 iron for 1 hopper, and then you need to get 5 for the minecraft and each 16 rails needs 6 iron.
@@Chicky_Lumps its optimal method to get resources for a project. so make 1 farm, and then when you need to go to toilet? go to farm and eventually you will have enough stuff for project. i hope you dont have any automated sugarcane or creeper farm for your elytra, and you manually kill those creepers during night.
@@Chicky_Lumps I don't understand why mojang would willingly add the automatic crafter? They seem to hate farms and automation so much but then they add that?
@@Ethan_Cubed if the banner places itself in the world if dropped it could accidentally happen But I wholeheartedly agree with this line of thinking, the whole Idea of raids being intentional is just absurd and so illogical
@@Voron_Aggrav no. What i was meaning is that no one would figure that out. With 1.14 bad omen its pretty to understand how and why raids happen (getting bad omen effect). and with 1.21 bad omen its also pretty easy to understand how and why raids happen (getting bad omen effect).
@@Voron_Aggrav yeah, but im saying no knew plahyer will ever know how to do that. With the og raid system any new player will easily notice that killing the glag guy gives you bad omen. and the new system any new player will undertsand drinking the bottle gives you bad omen. How on earth would any player think throwing an item into fire is a mechanic that works in minecraft. Minecraft doesnt have mechanics like that.
It was so annoying getting the bad omen effect after killing the captain, one time they killed my whole village, and I wasn't near it, when I noticed what happened it was too late.
I think that would be interesting if only pillager captains in patrols dropped this potion, and if they follow the player to a village, they tried to drink the potion to call a raid
Old logic of bad omen made more sense. Because it's like when you kill pillager captains other pillagers want to take revenge and whenever you are in a village they would attack so that they can take their revenge, at least they could kill villagers that may be important to you. Now ominous potions have no lore. A drop of pillager captain that triggers pillagers only when you drink it seems less sensible to me.
The bad omen effect change is also a huge buff for just simple players. It was always annoying approaching a raid tower but then trying to kill the leader by other means so you don't trigger a raid that will destroy your village
I still Hate THE MAZE weapon, Cause Combat Became So Easy Now, Atleast They Should Have made Like Obtaining It Is a Rare Chance Like Enchanted Apple And Also Make Less Durability, Making This Weapon OP and Also RARE
Also making it rare is worse, imagine your playing on a server and because the mace is so rare only 1 or 2 people have it and they just rule the server cause it’s so broken
Im not a hardcore person, but im pissed at the raid farm nerf, I spent 5 hours fixing and building the best farm, just for me to notice that it now drops potions...
They should make this feature togglable, that way those who enjoy the lore aspect of a good old fashioned revenge plot don’t have to break their immersion by signing a contract saying ‘yes you’re allowed to be angry about being murdered, I hereby give you permission to seek revenge, thank you for joining my ted talk’
This change wasn't for balancing purposes, this change was made so the average, casual player can decide between using bad omen for a raid, or for using it to make the trial chambers more difficult. This change also allows the player to choose when its used, so it can be saved in a chest until you're ready use it for one of the two events above
Bad omen is used for trials? I guess that helps a little. I still don't agree with the change overall. It'd be better if the potion was a rare drop from captains or something, or only patrol captains drop them
@@OrtegaSauce, nah, it's definitely for balancing. Mojangs stance of auto farms is that effort should match rewards. That's why 0 tick farms had been patched and afk fishing farms nerfed. Stacking Raid farms are ridiculous OP for something requiring minimal setup.
@@theenderking111 Yeah, because it can keep things fun and in the spirit of the design. There's a reason a lot of people dislike Mending being easily farmable. Take terraria for example, even if it is possible to stack gear, you still need to actually go out and get it, you're interacting with the game itself and actually playing it, dealing with it's challenges, not setting up something once and then getting free shit for the rest of time. I actually enjoy a challenge in my games, and having things like raid farms existing and choosing to ignore using them is simply larping at that point. If you don't like the change, I'm sure plenty of people will make a mod to revert it or you can just play on an older version.
So possible improvement on the raid farm: A sorter for Bad Omen Bottles that part of said bottles get sent to a brewing station, and converted from normal to splashing. After they're converted, a pressure plate triggered Redstone clock activates and dispenses a bottle when a clock cycle is done and the player is on top of said pressure plate. The clock cycle is equivalent with the bad omen effect duration to not waste potions. If the player leaves mid clock cycle, the cycle cuts and the dispenser doesn't get powered regardless.
Knowing that most players don't do or care about mob farm, I am pretty certain that the pillager "nerf" is just because the bad omen effect was annoying as hell for casual players.
It made a lot more sense that if you kill a pillager captain, you'd have animosity and the next village nearby would be targetted for a raid. Making it exclusively lock raids to drinking a potion is dumb. They should just make it so you can craft the potion if you can't find a captain to trigger a raid that way. Or just a material the can be crafted to trigger the raid when used, like a horn.
Problem with witch farms is they are way to slow for redstone. I believe the new drop changes only work with looting and most witch farm designs are not looting farms
@@kobeneilson6717 nope, pretty sure they drop 4-8 redstone without any looting. With looting you can get up to 11 dust from 1 witch but even then its insane for witch farms now
Thank GOD. It was always so annoying when you killed a raid captain, you get bad omen, you forget you have bad omen, and when you finally go to your base that has traders, a stupid raid starts. Such a good change.
See this is actually a good balancing update unlike what they were doing with villagers. Raid farms ARE genuinely too op, and they even addressed the issues that making this nerf creates by buffing an underpowered mechanic somewhere else in the game so people have incentive to try more things.
@@brimp4989 I don't know if I just got a lucky seed, but I was able to fill up a shulker and most of my inventory full of redstone blocks in a single trip to a "large" spaghetti cave (with fortune II).
@@PlzDoNotTheFade first off Who tf uses redstone to build? 2nd off who tf uses redstrone blocks to build ?? 3rd of all, how isnt a shulker full of redstone blocks enough ? Whacha building ? The globe ? 💀
@@PlzDoNotTheFade Nah, skill issue is the people complaining that they need to tweak their farms now and they just cant use the same one :V I know one person said it took them like "dozens of hours" to build one?
@@nevermind5657 Idk lol. I think they should've done this thing when the update came out or soon after. Even if it's a fair update, it's kinda stupid to nerf it now after several years of it.
Is it not possible to make an automatic brewer farm that turns the new potions into splashing potions, then, gived by a dispenser near to a player to give him the effect again ?
I don't like traveling because it feels like a waste when I could actually building or trading mining whatever else in the game and not the game forcing me to walk 10k blocks to have a chance to get what I'm looking for. And besides elytra and the mace there isn't any actually good items in them I won't risk my life in deep dark for echo shards. I like exploration but in Minecraft it's so unrewarding sometimes I walk for hours and find nothing useful I don't need mojang to artificially add extra time I need to be walking
@@someone.1184 I had to travel 23,000+ blocks to get an armadillo, find a village, not see a single new wolf (or old one for that matter), and kill several allays trying to get them home. I swear I would rather delete the game than have to do that every time I want to get a totem of undying or a new useless mob
I feel like it should be a lingering potion that's thrown instead, and it's thrown very high up to where you're able to dodge it if you don't want the effect
I like the new potion deal because with how easily a raid can wipe out a village if a player isn't prepared, the player should have a bit more agency in whether or not something of that scale happens. Especially in situations where outposts generate close to villages.
As a casual player I like this a lot better, it was so annoying to either find a cow or wait forever for the effect to wear off just so I wouldn't start a raid while exploring. Especially early game.
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Another thing this adds is the ability to kill raid captains without having to worry about the bad omen
Yeah some new playereven do it accidentally and they get panic attack at raid lol
*cough* Milk *cough cough*
@@BulgarianTankmilk drinker Nord
It made sense that way though. Bad omen was meant to be some kind of curse pillagers gave you for killing their squad. They would raid the village for revenge. There was milk for a reason, they should have just added the time limit.
@@mikim_x yeah you’re right that made more sense
But from a gameplay perspective I think I can understand the change
Like you won’t always have milk on you, and you might come across a village with the effect on but not be ready for a raid
dw the minecraft community always finds a way to make use of this nerf💀💀
Already found a use. In single raid farms (not stacking) you would usually need a captain bank or pillager outpost but now you can get 7 ominous bottles per raid.
redstone the bottle and that's it
Idk about Java, but on bedrock you can make a captain farm so you can just get a ton of bottles and go to the farm and sit there for hours.
Its called holding right click
We got auto brewers right? We can make farms without delay once we make splash potions
Adding more redstone to witches while husks still don't hold a single piece of sand in their dusty pockets 💀
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Honestly it makes more sense to have it be the bad omen effect, it gives an extra challenge to the early game, and the change makes raids no longer a threat at all
Just drink the bottle every time it drops if you want to then lmao, plus the “extra challenge” is literally just milking a cow
Bad omen effect is not a challenge when you can get rid of it with a bucket and a cow. Those are not end game items I can get those well before I can find a patrol.
Now it’s choose a raid, raids shouldn’t be chosen they are a curse that you’ll be attacked it’s not voluntary
yeah, but I think they did it because of the trial chambers and the ominous chambers
Also means you can store it for an on demand raid
Pillagers when player killed their entire team and burn down the mansion: "I sleep"
Pillagers when you drink some potion: "Real shit"
Wait so yall burn down the mansions instead of stealing them for yourselves? I've been a squatter in one since 1.16 😢
@@nashooo5903 squatter gang ayyy🥳🥳
@@nashooo5903I remember finding woodland mansions once in a while and I would always make it my self built house but now I can never find any
@@nashooo5903 I mostly loot it and leave it
@@nashooo5903 squatter's gang 💅💅💅💅🔪🧏♂️
"Drink this potion to let us revenge you from what you did"
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Fr that doesn't makes sense
@@Denis-12 But dragons, other dimensions, and Minecraft's building system does?
@@sammathis6634 yes
It makes sense mechanically, but it doesn't in any other way. Like the whole point of bad omen, is that pillagers get mad at you for killing their captrain, so they attack your village, but now, if you drink a weird potion, they get mad, but if you kill their captain they don't? I'm not a huge fan of that, and I don'T think the powercreep from raid farms is that bad.
Beds, being as illogical:
@@higueraft571 ok but beds contextualize your death as "just a bad dream" and the nether and the end... Wait no you are right they make no sense
Its 100% just a means to break raid farms and make the game more grind intense.
Cause spending dozens or even hundreds of hours building these farms is somehow not enough grind.
If you spend that much time that’s your problem.
@@solidmoon8266 >Its 100% just a means to break raid farms and make the game more grind intense.
Me, loading a shulker full of ominous potions and using them to constantly afk the raids directly, without having to go back and forth over and over.
>Cause spending dozens or even hundreds of hours building these farms is somehow not enough grind.
Are you seriously spending THAT long building a fucking raid farm??
Have you never played Minecraft over any length of time?
The game changes, old designs break or become inefficient, rebuild it again.
...not to mention this really isnt even a "mandatory" build either. Nor does this break any unless you've got a COMPLETELY automated setup that moves you between the outpost and village on it's own...
Mojang trying to balance the game while adding a weapon that can one shot anything
Holy crap that’s a lot of redstone! A minimum drop of 4 is wild.
With looting 3 I think
@@liorschifrin ah that would make more sense lol
@@liorschifrinnah
@@CheckTMOW no. Base is 4 regardless of looting or not.
yeah it is. I believe the max is 8 without Looting and it increases by 1 per level of Looting btw
I think the old raid system made mucn more sense. Like the pillagers take revenge on your village, because you killed their captain.
I see the ominous potion could be more like a reinforcement system forbthe pillager captain.
The potion could attract the raid to your location.
I mean yeah it makes more sense but it's annoying as hell. When designing games you have to find a balance between user experience and logic
@@alaincordova6140 yeah, but if tne captain was meant to use it, why would it be ominous.
Yeah although it was still a potion effect you could clear with milk so it never really made sense, but it makes less now. Coulda been an ominous horn or something.
Tbh the new omen system is kinda dumb. Raid captains used to force you into a raid, but now they just give you the potion and are like "pls drink dis in a villag". It's dumb
L kid
@@WarlordGamerZ0009 is this really your nickname?
"SUBSCRIBE FOR MINECRAFT,FREE FIRE , BGMI ETC. GAME VIDEOS" in description, also.
I hope you'll grow up and understand how stupid you're acting.
@@WarlordGamerZ0009what do u mean “L kid” he’s simply stating what he thinks of it
This change baffles me, there was absolutely no need for it
There was no need to get rid of afk fishing either.
@samadams4165 oh yeah I forgot about that, but I 100% agree. Same a lot of technical stuff, they just enjoy making our lives harder haha
Trial Chambers:
What happens when a bunch of dudes play a game for 7 year olds and then go "this game too easy make it harder"
ominous potions actually make no sense
Maybe it's similar to "bad luck" potion. In some RPGs, like Pokemon for example, you could use an item to decrease encounter rates, and also use an item to increase encounter rates.
Bad game design
True, it'd be better if it was like a horn - something that the raid captain would have used to start a raid
Yeah I thought it was supposed to be like the pillagers following you back to the village for revenge or smn???
@@markm1514Wrong, you just forget Minecraft Logic exists
I don’t really like the way the ominous bottle activates a raid because I liked the way you would walk into a village and go “oh shoot, I just started a raid” it’s much more action filled and spontaneous
just drink the potion every time it drops, does the same thing
Same
Not always good idea. If you go to your base and the raid starts its so triggering. Always thinking where to get milk before going close to youre villagers.
And then just leave it for someone else on the server to find 😅
@@NoName-tg2kr a survival game makes you think before doing something. So... imo that concept is good enough
Kinda breaks the magic cuz I thought the bad omen affect was like now the pillagers are stalking you waiting for you to get back home.
Idk I feel like the change is pretty unnecessary. I've never even "accidentally" started a raid, the captains are pretty obvious looking, either avoid them or just don't go to a village while the bad omen is on,, idk the new version just doesn't make much sense and it does indeed ruin people's farms, it feels like there isn't really much gain only cost
I dont really like the idea of pillagers getting mad of you if you drink a potion, and not because you killed them. I think a better solution would be to use shears (i guess?) to tear their banner, then you'd get the effect.
Great idea
It might be less of them getting angry at you and them thinking you're using a rally flare to make it clear that this is a place to attack.
Yeah, that works. Or it could be for picking the banner up.
Or burn it. There was a mod (i cant remember which one) that had that as a feature. It was awesome.
It's not that I think. The potion is meant to trigger ominous events and raid just happens to be one of those events. Same goes with ominous trials.
Its not the pillagers getting mad because you drank a potion. It's the event being triggered because you drank the potion.
Imagine your cousin is killed on one of his adventure, but it is fine because nobody drank his bottle.
it's a video game bro
@@papadkumar2669 it being a video game is irrelevant and your comment made no sense when you miss the point, he points out that this new mechanic doesnt make sense and the old 1 is better
@@papadkumar2669 Ah yes, because video games aren't allowed to make sense.
Im going to say it, as someone who doesn't venture into mass production farms (unless i decide i want a giant crop farm just for the looks), i see this as an absolute win for my play. I can live near vilages and not worry about random patrols causing random raids when i don't want them. I can actually turn patrol spawning back on.
have a cow?
Turn on peaceful mode?
@@luismedina5792 nah, I want hunger, mobs, and damage. I just tend to set up near villages and don't do well with raids if I must save my villagers from patrols
@@RosebudMartin i see. well I'm on the same boat as u as I must rather do things manually then automatically as the game was intended to be played.
@@luismedina5792 Maybe not everything manually, I can see myself making good use of certain automated stone/tree farms for larger projects, but not anything as bad as auto raid farms, or auto iron farms.
When you play legit and don’t need farms: “Is this really what they updated? Not textures, actual game play?….”
@@TheRealNiko no, it's not good. formerly you would have to either find a cow and drink its milk or wait the effect out by avoiding villages. now raids will almost never happen without the player chugging a potion which ruins raids as they were intended to limit the player's access to villages, not only spawn when you want them to. the witch redstone drop buff is way too OP too
"well, he DID kill our beloved captain but the fact that he drank one of our potions is UNACCEPTABLE"
"THAT'S WHERE I DRAW THE LINE"
Yes it is so stupid
I don't think it's that they're mad at you for drinking the potion. Rather, I think they used magic on the potion to be able to track your location if you drink it.
@@user-jz9ys6mz1zand minecraft mechanics arent already? I'd love to see you explain beds
@@higueraft571 player sleeps in them wrong. i mean spawn some villagers and you see them sleeping just fine.
@@higueraft571 how is sleeping in a bed to reset your spawnpoint stupid? In other games, campfires set your respawn point and even heal you. The pillager system was fine before, changing it now to drinking a potion IS stupid
just wait until he knew about the new piston
New piston?
@@DeadB0wYT he meant new piston sound
'Look how they mascara my boy'
It's gonna get reverted. So much backlash I wouldn't be surprised if next Wednesday Pistons have old sound but with a 50% sound reduction.
@@redthegamer12 it doesnt even need the reduction it was perfectly fine
There's a mod that makes it so you get it from burning the banner, which makes way more sense that drinking a potion
Its still pretty possible to do raid farms if you have a macro that drinks the ominous potions
Though I kind of feel like pillagers dropping an ominous bottle instead kind of kills the lore aspect of them being mad at you for killing a patrol
You know they could have simply found a way to do both at once
Like instead of dropping a potion, they drop an item that's supposed to be used to call reinforcements. Like a new horn type that signals "We need help".
It would accomplish the same goal in terms of gameplay and would make lore sense as the item is meant to call reinforcements
The weird thing about balancing a game is that it's 10% gameplay 90% player behavior.
Oh no. They nerfed the redstone drop. How will I ever find enough now? If only Mojang added the ability to find it randomly in the world...
oh yeah, they could also nerf iron drops from iron golems, good luck making those mega sorting systems enjoy trying to find iron ores.
ok bro research the topic before trying to start somethign
@@nevermind5657 do you even GET why people want to make those and how much of a soul sucking job it would be to get the iron manualy
@@Nartoi7564 do you even GET what he said?
Or possibly made it easy to trade from a villager using something you can get in rediculous amounts easily, which is only barely useful otherwise..
Ok who is running out of Red stones 😭, I literally have 2 stacks of redstone block and I never intentionally minded for them
This nerf has no sense
Bad omen was working like if you kil their captain you will be wanted
Yeah like that's why you have bad omen. It's because an effect that signifies they are watching you and as soon as they see you are at a village they get ready to plunder
Yeah i hate this change
exactly it just makes no sense for bad omen to be a potion effect, idc if its better for farms it makes less sense.
But not you can usr it for the trial chambers
True! I know this change is necessary to balance the game and prevent you from automatically trigger raid in village (even though you could use milk) but Bad Omen being a drinkable potion just sound so lame compared to a curse or Illager making you their target and tried to ambush you in village.
I think it had more sense before.... Because like: you killed our captain! Now we will destroy everything and everyone you love
And if there's splash potion of bad omen then you can still make an afk farm, just with a little more of redstone, I think
I sont like the raid one. Raids should also happen when we don’t want it. When we kill a chef we want to be scared of going to a village because a raid would start.
Players after realizing an auto clicker and a filtered dropper will make the old farms work again:
But now you’re physically choosing to do the war crimes.. and it kinda takes out a bit of the idea of a raid, more like a invitation, and I know people who kill a raid captain usually go to a village to start a raid which is the same aspect, but I wish they had originally made small little skirmishes at villages with a raid captain so if you personally kill the raid captain in the village then it’s more accidental
Umm... There aren't any war crimes in the meta-game, where the player _knows_ that their character will get attacked if they go to a village, because there's no war in the meta. You're playing a game, enjoying a nice burrito. 😊
There's no war crime in-game when you travel to a village to face the consequences, because you're defending a village from an attack, and you can't stop living your life just because somebody's mad at you. You gotta deal with it, one way or another.
But, if we're talking about crimes, how about the enslavement of villagers by the player? That's pretty much a standard requirement for advanced play, and it's arguably worse than intentionally having a big flight in someone's town.
I just like not having to worry about getting kill credit whenever I am bothered by a pillager patrol.
Taking away a risk/reward factor like bad omen is literally the dumbest thing that mojang can do, especially when one of the biggest problems in the game is that its way too easy.
I know everyone is going to call me an idiot for saying this, but I don’t think they should have nerfed raid farms
You are not the idiot you are simply someone who's not fucking retarded
@@mildewmatthewi think that if you play the videogame then you should maybe play the videogame
@haja. I agree but I actually like doing raids and the only reason they are op isn't because of a balancing issue it's a player behavior issue because that's what the current gameplay loop encourages
@@haja. Bro has not played satisfactory
@@kobeneilson6717 thats a whole ass separate game
That "now you know why" transistion was just sad 😭
i literally unliked the short when it happened 😭
I like it, plus it might have been intended to be humourous
@@theominouspigeon yeah but it's getting so overused that it's becoming annoying
@@ElMigol_ Getting? It's been insanely overused. It's pretty annoying but eh I just move on when I here "bu"
God forbid you just dig a hole for your redstone.
Yeah like i swear some people play the game in such a way that it seems like they don't even like playing
@@mildewmatthew The MC community seems to think the point of survival mode is to exploit and automate survival out of it as much as possible.
@@mildewmatthew go ahead. make item sorter using only iron that you get from mining. i mean its only 5 iron for 1 hopper, and then you need to get 5 for the minecraft and each 16 rails needs 6 iron.
@@Chicky_Lumps its optimal method to get resources for a project. so make 1 farm, and then when you need to go to toilet? go to farm and eventually you will have enough stuff for project. i hope you dont have any automated sugarcane or creeper farm for your elytra, and you manually kill those creepers during night.
@@Chicky_Lumps I don't understand why mojang would willingly add the automatic crafter? They seem to hate farms and automation so much but then they add that?
As someone who started up a skyblock world recently, that redstone drop buff is absolutely huge for me
Me whos never done a raid in a regular playthrough: *7 doubke chests full of redstone from mining*
It would be better if you get it when burning a pillager banner
too unlikely to accidently happen
@@Ethan_Cubed if the banner places itself in the world if dropped it could accidentally happen
But I wholeheartedly agree with this line of thinking, the whole Idea of raids being intentional is just absurd and so illogical
@@Voron_Aggrav no. What i was meaning is that no one would figure that out. With 1.14 bad omen its pretty to understand how and why raids happen (getting bad omen effect). and with 1.21 bad omen its also pretty easy to understand how and why raids happen (getting bad omen effect).
@@Ethan_Cubed Yes, it would then still be a debuff that will be inflicted upon you for it, just that the method of getting it is different
@@Voron_Aggrav yeah, but im saying no knew plahyer will ever know how to do that. With the og raid system any new player will easily notice that killing the glag guy gives you bad omen. and the new system any new player will undertsand drinking the bottle gives you bad omen. How on earth would any player think throwing an item into fire is a mechanic that works in minecraft. Minecraft doesnt have mechanics like that.
Didn't know it was that hard to find redstone
For most players, they don't need much tbh. But for technical players, there's never enough lol
i mean, when you need 50k redstone for a project. It is hard to find redstone
Getting tons of redstone has never been an issue
This seems like a bad balance change for everyone who wasn't farming raids.
"Mojang is finally balancing their game"
Mojang: let's add mace
they literally balanced the mace in the recent snapshots
Don't worry about the mace, it took me 6 hours of raiding to get one
"Perfectly balanced"
@@user-jc3fr7vn7xdid u travel to another country by foot, 6h is crazy
@@neptuneash4617 when did they add a mace 😭
the new piston when you build an elevator :0
Edit: thanks for the likes :P
At least the sheep machine sounds more accurate
@@Tyranid_Hive_Mind 0.o
@@Tyranid_Hive_Mind 💀
Imagine this was just a flat out lie and everyone who watched it ended up accidentally starting a raid thinking it was safe to kill pillagers
"You killed our Captain? Whatever."
"How dare you drink mah milk!? Raid time!"
Sad day for those who play minecraft optimally
I'm still waiting for the Duck to be added
I'm still waiting for the Penguin to be added
(armadillo voters I'm looking at you)
I want to see the minecraft lore experts explain why pillagers attack you if you drink some random juice without drinking a bucket of milk
Right, the thing left is nerfing the drops rate or removing totems from raids.
mojang: *nerfs raid farms by adding ominous bottles*
me: *installs a plugin that reverts the change*
Is there one yet? if so I will be using it
yoo thats pretty smart, definetely be using it when 1.21 is out
Old version exist
@DreazieArkust true, but sometimes you want to use the rest of the update without one small change that isn't to your liking
Why tho??? This change is purely a qol for players who kill a random pillager in the wild.
The only thing that I'm hoping is mojang fixing the games performance instead of this new things that will just increase the games lag even more
It was so annoying getting the bad omen effect after killing the captain, one time they killed my whole village, and I wasn't near it, when I noticed what happened it was too late.
I think that would be interesting if only pillager captains in patrols dropped this potion, and if they follow the player to a village, they tried to drink the potion to call a raid
Old logic of bad omen made more sense. Because it's like when you kill pillager captains other pillagers want to take revenge and whenever you are in a village they would attack so that they can take their revenge, at least they could kill villagers that may be important to you. Now ominous potions have no lore. A drop of pillager captain that triggers pillagers only when you drink it seems less sensible to me.
Each time I've found Redstone like just a singular piece. I mine it with a regular iron pickaxe it gives me like 20
The bad omen effect change is also a huge buff for just simple players. It was always annoying approaching a raid tower but then trying to kill the leader by other means so you don't trigger a raid that will destroy your village
If you have a macro like tiny task, the only thing this does is slow the process down
I still Hate THE MAZE weapon, Cause Combat Became So Easy Now, Atleast They Should Have made Like Obtaining It Is a Rare Chance Like Enchanted Apple And Also Make Less Durability, Making This Weapon OP and Also RARE
It is rare
Also making it rare is worse, imagine your playing on a server and because the mace is so rare only 1 or 2 people have it and they just rule the server cause it’s so broken
It is rare, but rarity only makes it annoying to obtain, not actually balanced.
Hardcore TH-camrs are gonna hate this
Im not a hardcore person, but im pissed at the raid farm nerf, I spent 5 hours fixing and building the best farm, just for me to notice that it now drops potions...
I dont give a shit about redstone that shit easy to get
@@Just.A.Bottle.Of.Milk- This guy is the only reasonable person in this comment section.
@@Just.A.Bottle.Of.Milk- shouldnt you just be able to automate it again by turning them into splash potions and dispensing them on you?
@ninjasheeps3690 Yes, that should work, but as mentioned in the video, it takes 30 seconds for it to spawn in.
Is somebody going to tell them that you can find redstone underground?
They should make this feature togglable, that way those who enjoy the lore aspect of a good old fashioned revenge plot don’t have to break their immersion by signing a contract saying ‘yes you’re allowed to be angry about being murdered, I hereby give you permission to seek revenge, thank you for joining my ted talk’
This change wasn't for balancing purposes, this change was made so the average, casual player can decide between using bad omen for a raid, or for using it to make the trial chambers more difficult. This change also allows the player to choose when its used, so it can be saved in a chest until you're ready use it for one of the two events above
Bad omen is used for trials? I guess that helps a little. I still don't agree with the change overall. It'd be better if the potion was a rare drop from captains or something, or only patrol captains drop them
@@OrtegaSauce, nah, it's definitely for balancing. Mojangs stance of auto farms is that effort should match rewards. That's why 0 tick farms had been patched and afk fishing farms nerfed.
Stacking Raid farms are ridiculous OP for something requiring minimal setup.
@@GrandProtectorDarkBalancing a singleplayer sandbox?
@@theenderking111 Yeah, because it can keep things fun and in the spirit of the design. There's a reason a lot of people dislike Mending being easily farmable. Take terraria for example, even if it is possible to stack gear, you still need to actually go out and get it, you're interacting with the game itself and actually playing it, dealing with it's challenges, not setting up something once and then getting free shit for the rest of time.
I actually enjoy a challenge in my games, and having things like raid farms existing and choosing to ignore using them is simply larping at that point. If you don't like the change, I'm sure plenty of people will make a mod to revert it or you can just play on an older version.
@@zyad48 This, I swear the MC community refuses to acknowledge that balance matters for a survival game.
So possible improvement on the raid farm:
A sorter for Bad Omen Bottles that part of said bottles get sent to a brewing station, and converted from normal to splashing. After they're converted, a pressure plate triggered Redstone clock activates and dispenses a bottle when a clock cycle is done and the player is on top of said pressure plate. The clock cycle is equivalent with the bad omen effect duration to not waste potions. If the player leaves mid clock cycle, the cycle cuts and the dispenser doesn't get powered regardless.
After a simple afk ominous bottle farm. Afk there until you have lots of bottles then one can build a raid farm anywhere.
There's no splash variant of Ominous Bottles.
Wish they had potions of milk
@@tt54l32v Stacking raid farms
@@cyreni9756 fill inventory with dummy items then have a dropper drop a bottle synced up to a right click macro
I feel like placing the banner should be what agro the pillagers, like u place it in a village and they sense it or somthing
What a sensical solution to þe (apparent) problem of people playing Minecraft in a way Mojang doesn't like.
Knowing that most players don't do or care about mob farm, I am pretty certain that the pillager "nerf" is just because the bad omen effect was annoying as hell for casual players.
"it made getting tons of redstone a lot harder"
Who do you think you are? Mumbo jumbo?
I just realised that this sounds rude. Sorry
@@ExploringNew1 No no, you sounds more like PackGod
@@NuningMiniedoesnt packgod just say every random shit that comes to his mind
@@Ihromania fr
If it's red stone you want, just go mine it. Red stone is abundant and with fortune 3, you'll rarely ever want for red stone again.
Spoken like someone who builds very little redstone
@@GrandProtectorDark bro doesn’t know how to mine
@@bigairikk bro doesn't know the absurd quantities of Redstone that can sink into a single large scale project
bro thinks a villager wheat farm is a "large redstone project"
@@PlzDoNotTheFade I'm not talking about villager wheat farms dude.
Now they need to add a splash potion variant so we can banish our friends
It made a lot more sense that if you kill a pillager captain, you'd have animosity and the next village nearby would be targetted for a raid.
Making it exclusively lock raids to drinking a potion is dumb. They should just make it so you can craft the potion if you can't find a captain to trigger a raid that way. Or just a material the can be crafted to trigger the raid when used, like a horn.
I want mojhang to balance my life
You can balance it yourself
For real bro😢
Raid farms were so Op, but finally people will start using Witch farms
Nah people will still make raid farms easily
Problem with witch farms is they are way to slow for redstone. I believe the new drop changes only work with looting and most witch farm designs are not looting farms
@@kobeneilson6717 nope, pretty sure they drop 4-8 redstone without any looting. With looting you can get up to 11 dust from 1 witch but even then its insane for witch farms now
Thank GOD. It was always so annoying when you killed a raid captain, you get bad omen, you forget you have bad omen, and when you finally go to your base that has traders, a stupid raid starts. Such a good change.
See this is actually a good balancing update unlike what they were doing with villagers. Raid farms ARE genuinely too op, and they even addressed the issues that making this nerf creates by buffing an underpowered mechanic somewhere else in the game so people have incentive to try more things.
Wow. Mojang just refuses to let people play their game like they want to play it. Absolutely bizar.
Bizarre? Do you play games?
I never really get why Mojang does these Nerfs. It's a Sandbox game, and thus, the Player should have ultimate control over how they wish to play.
My villagers abt to shed tears of blood from the amount of lightning strikes they boutta get
Me waiting for them to balance the anvil repair costs and other actual meaningful things: 💀
J-Just mine redstone
You can get a full inventory of redstone within like half an hour
With fortune I-III, turn that into 15 minutes. They're nerfing raids but overpowering witches, and for what? 😭😭
Thats assuming you get wide open caves EVERYWHERE.
@@brimp4989 I don't know if I just got a lucky seed, but I was able to fill up a shulker and most of my inventory full of redstone blocks in a single trip to a "large" spaghetti cave (with fortune II).
you dont build with redstone, do you?
@@PlzDoNotTheFade first off
Who tf uses redstone to build?
2nd off who tf uses redstrone blocks to build ??
3rd of all, how isnt a shulker full of redstone blocks enough ? Whacha building ? The globe ? 💀
Players with 10 trillion days in hardcore Minecraft are really gonna feel that raid farm nerf.
They have already stocked up on every resource they'll ever need.
What for? impossible for 10 trillion says for not slaying the ender dragon....
it's not like I'm gonna update from 1.17.1. Sure I'm missing out, but better stocking rather than enduring.
The people starting those worlds are gonna have a hard time. People with more than 1000 already stock piled.
0-5 redstone, even with Looting III, is straight up a robbery
now it’s supercells turn
Aw man, now im never gonna worry about accidentally starting a raid by going to a random village or going to my trading hall
Just wait until you discover milk buckets
@@theenderking111That's a hassle
@@higueraft571 you just have a skill issue really
@@PlzDoNotTheFade Nah, skill issue is the people complaining that they need to tweak their farms now and they just cant use the same one :V
I know one person said it took them like "dozens of hours" to build one?
Community will find a way to sort the potion and place in dispenser which will be constantly splashed on the player
That's genius
The whole point is it takes 30 seconds after drinking/splashing the potion for the raid to start, so either way, it's still nerfed.
That's the time the raid takes to charge Wich is something that raid farms get rid of by shifting the village
@@Dream-zp5xn them why they diddn't do that as default.
@@nevermind5657 Idk lol. I think they should've done this thing when the update came out or soon after. Even if it's a fair update, it's kinda stupid to nerf it now after several years of it.
Man it was pretty funny seeing my brother unknowingly get the bad omen effect and going to a village
Is it not possible to make an automatic brewer farm that turns the new potions into splashing potions, then, gived by a dispenser near to a player to give him the effect again ?
Hope they can turn into splash potions.
I doubt it though.
that would be hilarious lol just booby trap your friends village or trade hall and boom
Those changes are really good, new villager trade new wolfs and now this will encourage players to travel more.
Villager trade is still in the experimental, not the actual snapshot. I doubt if it would be added in the near future.
I don't like traveling because it feels like a waste when I could actually building or trading mining whatever else in the game and not the game forcing me to walk 10k blocks to have a chance to get what I'm looking for. And besides elytra and the mace there isn't any actually good items in them I won't risk my life in deep dark for echo shards. I like exploration but in Minecraft it's so unrewarding sometimes I walk for hours and find nothing useful I don't need mojang to artificially add extra time I need to be walking
@@lixun7390 i feel like it will be another bundle situation. it will always be toggleable but never be added to the base game
@@someone.1184 I had to travel 23,000+ blocks to get an armadillo, find a village, not see a single new wolf (or old one for that matter), and kill several allays trying to get them home. I swear I would rather delete the game than have to do that every time I want to get a totem of undying or a new useless mob
I just think they wanted to change the pain of accidentally stepping into a village and starting one
Dan camman18 be screaming with happiness rn
First
This is a very balanced thing that mojang did
I just made a huge villager trading hall, get pretty mich everything i need from there. Might add a creeper farm later for gunpowder
ominous bottle is so weird tho they couldve made it like u burn the banner he drops or smth cool
I feel like it should be a lingering potion that's thrown instead, and it's thrown very high up to where you're able to dodge it if you don't want the effect
I like the new potion deal because with how easily a raid can wipe out a village if a player isn't prepared, the player should have a bit more agency in whether or not something of that scale happens. Especially in situations where outposts generate close to villages.
As a casual player I like this a lot better, it was so annoying to either find a cow or wait forever for the effect to wear off just so I wouldn't start a raid while exploring. Especially early game.
I love that they thought about the Redstone farming part too