CLARIFICATION: Resizable BAR was on 😊 ERRATA: Time Spy 13034 graphics score, Firestrike 35252 Thanks again to @HardwareLab for the loan of the Arc A770. Keep an eye on their channel for an upcoming video using my RTX 3070!
I love it when you say soixante neuf frames per second! 😃 I thought it was spelled Swason Neuve , but the french always surprise me with their spelling...
@@JynxedKoma It was supposed to be but it's clearly flawed. If it's the architecture at issue you can only fix so much in drivers, so it's not a given that they can patch it to be much faster. There is a reason why they cut the higher Alchemist models from the market completely
@@sleepy9932 look at benchmarks for games you like to play, at that price I would also consider AMD cards since especially now they can be very good value
I have noticed in my experience with the Arc cards, is that no one person's experience, will be the exact same due to how random the outcome gets per PC. We literally uploaded our polarizing videos minutes of each other. Very nice stuff! Glad you ran into less problems than I did!
@@rockstar-5934 amen, and often people blame the gpu first when its Radeon or now with Arc. Yeah their drivers are spotty, but 95% of the time the big issues are caused by something else in the system, in particular stability or performance deviation.
@@rockstar-5934 His point is that Arc is completely unreliable and all over the place in terms of performance from one game to the next, and that Intel's drivers are still garbage as of now no matter how many improvements they've made. But then you know that, which is why you and your buddy there immediately got all defensive about it. Trying to equate that as being 'the same for all PCs' and 'perfectly normal' is just Intel shill disinfo of course. I don't have to worry about MY GPU performing like a GTX 1050 in one title and an RTX 3070 in the next, or simply refusing to launch a certain game at all, because I don't own Arc and won't do until Intel get their crap together. Nevertheless, you brave soldiers who paid Intel hundreds of dollars to beta test their product have my thanks.
This can be Intels Ryzen moment for GPUs. Aiming for low to mid range with fair pricing from 200$-400$ 12-20GB, strong feature set, they could take a chunk out of the market. I might pick up an A770 16GB for 300ish usd.
The price will only go up. I don't believe a bunch, but I'm sure it will. I feel like this card was released as a loss leader to build the market up for Intel cards
@@jacobwebb8818I agree, If we consider the new production line for new product, low quantity, new drivers, support team, architecture. Everything cannot beat years of developed production from Nvidia and AMD.
@@jacobwebb8818 probably a bit. But i also would not put it past Intel to under cut for the win. This has worked wonders for them in the past several times. When you own your own fabs and have a huge net worth, you can pinch the fat and pull such a move off. I know Battlemage is still on TSMC but i'm pretty sure from Celestial forward it will be 18A
The card was released at a good price because it has many issues and performence at release was not even worth the price. They didn't raise the price because they don't really make them anymore and that would be bad PR. The A770 was supposed to be a 3070/6700XT competitor and uses more silicone then both, yet it performs closer to a 3060. Thats why the good price. It was a flop, and priced as such. It still NEEDs ReBar on to even be usable.
@@shepardpolska Why is everybody so pissed off with ReBar requirements ? My 5 year old B450 motherboard supports it. Also, Intel is new to the market, they won't even dream of making GPUs as profitable as AMD or Nvidia until they get a decent stable market share.
I watch HWB for graphs of current/high end stuff, I watch IBT for the mid range and older stuff and it is just as good. Nice video as always. Keep it up man.
Shocked at how far Intel has come after all the issues the initial launch. Although still not perfect, it is nice to see so much work being done to improve the drivers. Great video as always. 💪👍
ARCs D3D8/9 improvements have come from Linux and Wine, instead of trying to get it to run D3D8 and D3D9 natively they stopped trying and instead baked DXVK (Wine's DirectX to Vulkan translation layer) directly into the drivers. This allows them to have a D3D12 / Vulkan optimized GPU while maintaining good performance on D3D8 and D3D9 (on my RX 6700XT many D3D8 and D3D9 games actually run better in Linux under Wine than they do in Windows 10)
Drivers were rough at launch, but are much better now. For the money you get 16GB VRAM on a solid 256-bit bus. None of that 128-bit garbage that the other vendors are selling for higher price. Looking very good for Intel!
I bought an A380 out of curiosity and to support competition, bonus points for AV1 encoding (400+ FPS re-encoding my library). The A750 at $200 right now is, in my opinion, the best bang-for-buck card and if they drop the A770 to $270-300 it'll make the recent "budget" cards from teams green and red pointless. As an added bonus, Intel is releasing drivers seemingly every month and continually improving performance so you can count on them running even better as time goes on.
Getting close now to that $ mark. ASRock phantom cards are currently going 280$ for the 8gb 770 model and 310$ for the 16gb 770 ( current promo code knocks 10$ off )
@@frostcate2546 Good to know, I've been watching the prices a bit and it seemed like $320ish is where they were settling with 16GB models still being too much for what you get. I'm not sure if I want to hold out for $180-200 for a 750 or go for a 770. It's not going to be in my main gaming rig or even my extra but rather a gaming machine I put together just because. From a hardware collecting standpoint the 770 seems like the obvious choice but I don't know that the extra performance is in line with the extra cost.
@@frostcate2546 Good to know, last I looked they were still going for $320. For the money I really don't know if you can do better for a new card. I'm very tempted to pick one up, though I already have 2 gaming PCs.
It is nice to see that Intel is putting in the work on their drivers to make their cards better. That said, I am also glad that I got my hands on a RTX 2080 Super to replace my GTX 1070, and now an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X to replace my AMD Ryzen 5 1600X. The Intel cards have decent price and performance now, and will likely get some what better over time, but I can't find a new card that is on par with performance per dollar compared to what I got my 2080 Super for. And it does seem the 2080 Super or cards in that performance range seem to be a perfect match to the 5600X.
You should do the a750, it has 90% of the performance of the 770, and can be had for $200. It is the best budget card right now. I have one paired with a I3 12100f, 2tb nvme, and 16g ddr4. And I was able to build that for about $650
@@LanciaSiluri and what is wrong with it? I got myself A decade old Core i5 3470 and 5 years old RX 560 4G in an asrock b75 mobo, with dual channel team elite ddr3 8gb ram, a Samsung 870 evo 1tb and WD blue 1tb as storage devices, and office logitech mouse and keyboard, ofcourse with an ancient prehistoric 1366x768 monitor How's that sound?
I have one as well... on a 13900K with 64GB DDR5 5600. NGL there was some growing pains with this card. And yes the 16GB of VRAM was a Major deciding factor in its choice. My ultrawide display is limited to 1080 (I might update that at some point) so something like the A770 was not a stretch. The card is honestly an 'Interim Card'. And the rough around the edges parts of the experience begins in older titles like Star Trek Online. The cards sings with great performance on newer titles like Sons of the Forest. I feel & see the difference between Intel's card and the other two. I was going to get a 4090, but none were ever available.
A770 is great for 1080p for sure and its a amazing capture card as well and in truth I think it's going to age a lot better then a lot of the gpus priced around the same
CDPR also made general optimisations for ARC during the XeSS integration in Witcher 3 and CP2077. With low-level API's both DX12 and Vulkan, a LOT of the onus for performance is also on the game engine developers, not just driver teams. Expect ARC performance to significantly improve as game engines take ARCs existence into account over time too. Great video and glad things are improving, try XeSS, it's already proven really good, way better than FSR2 visually even in software mode if you use a gpu newer than RDNA1, and it's faster too in ARC hardware mode.
Finally, Intel enters the conversation. I cant wait for the next card they make. Now that Nvidia has really given up on PC gamers, i hope intel comes in and saves the day.
Does the intel want to have 200%+ profit margins from AI GPUs or 80% profit margins from gaming GPUs… hmm… or sell GPUs at los or not profit like they do now… Intel will douple the prices if the next gen is any good!
I have a a750 and play a ton of older games. Pillars of Eternity, Divinity, and even BG2. No glitches. No artifacts. I run at 4k on 11700k. The A750 is the best deal in gpus. Notice when people complain, they never list broken titles, they just throw it out there. Breaking hearts.🎉
For first gen this is a solid product. 30+ years of backwards compatibility is one HUGE hurdle that many who have dissed on this card overlook. I bought a 6700xt this year because, well, it's better. But i would love to see Intel keep up the good work and maybe buy a Celestial or Druid from them in a few years.
I bought an arc a750 some time ago, and other than 2 times that it wouldn't run a game, I had no performance issues whatsoever, so experience may vary for anyone, and I'm confident that the driver is the thing holding back the gpus
Interesting you brought up Spider-Man, I was finishing up Miles Morales after a recent patch and it was behaving very similarly on my 1700/5700XT and my Steam Deck 🤔
Your conclusion is about the same as I always think when I'm looking at the Arc, though the fact that a year later the A770 looks better than it did at launch and still like a valid option has me hopeful for the Battlemage cards.
1 reason to go for the a770 that I'm surprised you didn't mention is AV1 encoding Even if all you do is clip your gameplay, AV1 makes everything look better, and if you stream on TH-cam then you can stream with AV1 to save some bandwidth or make your stream lool better at the normal bandwith you stream at
I'd enjoy seeing you review the a750 8gb sometime. Now that's is $200 USD for a new one, I think that particular card is hard to not recommend. I have the a770 16gb, it's just not got the rasterization power it should based on it's specs and it really doesn't outperform the a750 like it should. I actually think you'd be impressed with the a750, for the price.
@@100500daniel Perhaps, in some games but I think with a lot of dx12 games where it ought to perform like a 3070 or better it just doesn't have the power and I don't think they will get the drivers to better that.
From what I have seen the A750 performs pretty well compared to the A770. The A750 can be had for around $200 in the USA as well. I use mine in my streaming PC in the hopes that someday Twitch will start supporting AV1 encoding.
It does. if you look at hardware specs as well is pretty close as well. It's only the 8GB vs 16Gb that is the bigger difference but considering the performance of this cards i don't know how much it matters.
@@SIPEROTH Yeah, the software is the real issue with these cards. Once they get better drivers they're gonna be killer. They have already improved performance by a lot.
I had bought one of these late last year and was super excited. It did awesome in time spy but when I started playing MW2 the frame rate was way below the 3060 ti I was using at the time and for some reason I was having problems getting into lobbies. A couple times the game would flat out freeze or my system would crash. Maybe some of those bugs were worked out but for $350 I was expecting at least a stable gaming experience.
I got an A770 16Gb slightly used from a frustrated gamer for about half the new price before the drivers got useable. I use it for video work mainly but have recently tried a couple of games and it's pretty good. I hope Battlemage will be another big step up and I'm planning on buying one new next time. Oh and I'm kind of locked in to Nvidia for my main box because - Blender. I didn't buy this generation.
i just bought one used to use primarily for video editing - very curious to see how it goes... was strongly compelled to go with this over nvidia for some reason
Hmm, looks like the drivers still need more massaging but the performance is there, the 770 seemed like a real disappointment at first but Intel is at least in the ballpark. It's a solid first showing after all, but I think we'll all be more interested in the followup. It really is too bad that Intel didn't get a piece of the "price no object" GPU market, that would have encouraged them a lot, but hopefully they intend to give the competition a proper run and don't give up from weak sales for their first cards.
A strategy for Intel could be to avoid competing in the upper class segments, going up against the likes of the 4090 somewhen in the future might not be a good idea. What they could do is invest massively where all the money is, in the mid and low tier segment followed up by affordable prices, that means going hard on the 1080p/1440p market where most people still find themselves. 1% of Steam users are on 4k and people like me are not going to transition anytime soon, I have other priorities like most people. For me personally the temptation to upgrade only comes in the form of significant performance improvement while also maintaining a sane price, Intel could actually do that if they focus. While I don´t believe Intel should compete to be the top dog, it´s simply a risky and very expensive undertaking, it doesn´t mean they can´t work on it while developing something most gamers can actually benefit from.
A halo card can be a customer-draw, but Intel is focusing on the core market (low to mid tier). This is a smart move early on. If the next few gens find their footing, I'm sure they'll begin pushing into the high tier market.
I think in the near Future the a770 will start to perform on par or better with new games in the future as the 8GB of the on the RTX 3070 is going to hurt it and worse of all I own a RTX 3070 🤦
As an Arc owner I'd say A770 is the equivalent of 3060ti while A750 is the equivalent of 3060. In computing power intel exceeds competition but it's really hard to turn all that into gaming performance.
I've only just stumbled over your channel, and I have to say that what you're doing here is excellent. It's rare to see a hardware review video that is so incredibly well produced. I hope the youtube algorithm is kind and merciful for you, you deserve to get a lot bigger.
I love everything about this card. The looks, the performance, the potential, all are off the charts, considering Intel is still a rookie in the GPU world. Already owning an RTX 3070 is the only thing stopping me from buy an ARC for the time being
I've been very tempted by the Intel cards, but have a few major hangups still. The main reason I was even thinking about a new card was to give me better performance for VR, but VR and ARC don't get along all that well just yet. I was also looking at a 3D scanner for fun, but the one I am most interested in requires an Nvidia card, so that's more rain on my parade. Hoping Intel keeps up the pressure for future releases though as they look to be really good performance for the money on games that work well with them.
I have the ACER Intel® Arc™ A770 16 GB Predator BiFrost OC Graphics Card on AMD cpu & this card is amazing , I’ve tested it will all the games above apart from warzone & I can’t say one bad thing about the Card , I’m impressed
This was a good video - informative and entertaining, and I really liked the intro and the potted history of Arc. Nice to see a UK-based TechTuber doing good stuff like this. I just picked up an Asrock Phantom Gaming Arc A770 for just £190, new from a big tech retailer via Ebay. That's a premium 3-slot card with 3 fans. I don't like the design of it so much, and I really wanted an Intel Arc Limited Edition card because they look so cool and are a slice of GPU history, but the cheapest I found was £230, and only an A750. Even though I know it's not going to match my RTX 4070 FE for performance or compatibility, I'm really looking forward to having some fun tinkering. I'll probably build a seperate system to put it in eventually, though gotta pay off the interest-free credit for my 4070 first!
I would love to build a system with an Arc A770. It's absolutely impressive what Intel have achieved with their first line of dedicated GPUs. I'm really excited on how they will perform in the future. But Intels prices don't make it easy. The Arc A770 costs as much as the RX 6700XT where i am.....so......yeah that's a pass for most people at the moment.
My first graphics card was Intel i740. Overall very good card but had to change it for a 3d card. I have been with nVidia for a long time but had 1 ATi card. I am on the cusp of buying a new GPU. I am going to buy Intel again.
I’ve been waiting for this one!!!! Just started watching but for anyone that sees this Spider-man Remastered and Miles Morales have both just been updated to XeSS 1.1 but in future the DLLs can be swapped out version to version on any single player title like DLSS
Oh wow, I've never had or seen freezing like that before in Spider-Man remastered. My rig AMD 5600x@4.8ghz, 32gb cl18 ram, rx6700xt 12gb, 8tb 7200rpm HDD. Also, would've loved to see 1080p benchmarks. Cheers
I am an old guy I was there when the Intel i740 failed big time I was also there when Larrabee failed as well glad that Intel finally got it together in their third try
I think I posted here earlier about this card and I can say that it has impressed me with each driver update. The last update included a firmware update that corrected a bootup issue I was having with this card and no more problems! Intel listens and responds to those who are having some issues very quickly! On heaven benchmark with max settings I am getting even better results with frame rates, Avg 50 low and 150 high. With AMD Ryzen 5800X3D and 32 gb's 3600 memory was a very good investment last year. I don't care for buying new parts every year so I'm looking for long term usability. As expensive new cards are getting I'm going to wait and see what Battlemage is going to be in price and performance. Between Scalpers, Miners and general Greed at the start of 2020 it's nice to see some sanity emerge from all of this.
Getting good performance with ray traced games at 1440p isn't cheap, tbh there's only the RTX 4070 Ti or higher GPU's that meet my standards. It's great to see Intel enter the fray, at this point I'd rather give them my cash than Nvidia, fingers crossed for Battle Mage. 👍🏻
My next card will probably be from team blue. Hopefully, they keep making these improvements. I see Intel taking 30% of the marketshare within 3 years, if they keep improving the drivers and AMD with NVidia keep prices reasonably high. Though, Radeon group has dropped their prices. At the same time Intel's have some great features. What keeps a lot of gamers from getting are the bugs. Crush the bugs, offer solid 1440p gaming experience in sub €400 and you will have > 10% within a year.
As for the spiderman issue i had it in my i5 10400f and rx 5700 xt when the game was in my hdd It was unplayable then i transferred it to my nvme and only had it happen once through the whole game Not sure why its happening with you but for me transferring it to a faster drive fixed the issue
I've only ever had those Spider Man remaster issues when running my game from a hard drive. Once I switched it to an ssd it was BUTTERY smooth. Wicked good optimization after the cpu patches they did.
Honestly the real winner here is the 1080ti. Over 6 years old and still keeps up with the mid range today. That's of course no praise specifically to the 1080ti, but in fact more proof of the stagnation of the midrange that's occurred for far too long now.
It's not available for delivery on Newegg in the UK. Hmm... I consistently get better prices for new PC hardware from Newegg even when delivered to the UK from the US.
Most games that underperformed were all Sony ports see the trend so Sony on their side are not optimizing games for the arc it’s all the drivers so imagine the future ports that do support arc
Hey Iceberg, You should add Cities:Skylines as a game for CPU testing. Because that game likes really powerful CPU's. I don't see many PC hardware youtubers use that game. So I would really like to see Cities:Skylines
Just to add the city for the benchmark scene should have 150k or more population, since small cities don't cause much trouble for the CPU. IIRC I got a city like that where there are 2 very crowded subway stations connected by a pedestrian bridge, filled into the brim. Zoom into that and FPS really bogs down, like under 30 or so. Running on a 5700X with PBO.
@@cristod1904 Yeah, and your CPU is good, mine is an i5-10400f and I have a big city with a lot of mods and assets :) With this setup in the busy area I get 15 FPS XD. But at least I'm planning to upgrade for C:S 2. I have 2 options upgrade to AMD 5000 thousand series or to i7-10700k and OC it.
@@cristod1904 I was planning to buy the i7-10700k used for about 170 Euros. But I was also thinking of AMDs AM4 platform 5 thousand series because of their low power draw to performance. Intel's 12th and 13th gen power draw is crazy. That I didn't even consider intel. Until the 12th and 13th gen intel CPUs I liked intel but now I'm almost certain that I'm going to transition to AMD.
Considering the a770s die size and power consumption despite its somewhat small node, I think this GPU will carry the legacy on AMDs finewine. Maybe I'm just stupidly hopeful though
The most striking conclusion here is how good the GTX 1080ti still is. Oh for a manufacturer to still be making their top card available at a relatively reasonable cost.
The Intel Arc cards are very nice, but since DOSBox doesn't work with them, they are useless to me. Edit: Intel finally fixed the Dosbox Windows issue with their latest drivers, so all is good now.
Running the Arc with an AMD proc hobbles its capabilities right out of the gate. Several of its capabilities come into play when paired with a 12th gen or newer i7 or i9
Hey man, Like your videos but using the bullet shot sound effect on every single one is getting a bit jarring and sorta annoying. Recommend you switch it up a bit, find a few more effects etc.
nice video. I wonder wth is going on in Warzone O_o One question: Why are you using Epic view distance in Fortnite? It has no effect on player render distance and might even be beneficial to spot sneaky enemies due to grass not being rendered
The card WILL age like a fine wine, based on its actual theoretical performance and fp32 I could actually be better than a 2080 regular with time, remember these drivers are brand spakin new first gen, the fact it runs at all is a miracle, its performance in synthetics prove this, the card dusts a 2080 super in superposition, just gotta wait
Last week i opend one of my arc cards and instandly close the backplate back becouse i never seen so much testing points on a electronix device. She is a beauty and most people will never see her naked.^^
CLARIFICATION: Resizable BAR was on 😊
ERRATA: Time Spy 13034 graphics score, Firestrike 35252
Thanks again to @HardwareLab for the loan of the Arc A770. Keep an eye on their channel for an upcoming video using my RTX 3070!
I love it when you say soixante neuf frames per second! 😃 I thought it was spelled Swason Neuve , but the french always surprise me with their spelling...
jedi survivor you need to hit spacebar to accept changes not the return key even though its that button that is shows to press
Why not pinned ?
Thanks!
@@weltsiebenhundert could have sworn I did! Thanks
We now live in the RGB Universe :D What a time to be alive
Just need to wait Nvidia CPU, then it'll be perfect
"It's main appeal is simply that it existed"
Same. Same.
Omg what r u doin here
I think that A770 still has some power in it to be squeezed out. Massively good card from Intel.
On the contrary, it has LOTS more power to be squeezed out yet. It's essentially a 3070.
@@JynxedKoma or 3070ti xd
@@JynxedKoma It was supposed to be but it's clearly flawed. If it's the architecture at issue you can only fix so much in drivers, so it's not a given that they can patch it to be much faster. There is a reason why they cut the higher Alchemist models from the market completely
Mate should I buy a770 or 3060 rtx
@@sleepy9932 look at benchmarks for games you like to play, at that price I would also consider AMD cards since especially now they can be very good value
I have noticed in my experience with the Arc cards, is that no one person's experience, will be the exact same due to how random the outcome gets per PC. We literally uploaded our polarizing videos minutes of each other.
Very nice stuff! Glad you ran into less problems than I did!
That goes for all computer builds. What’s your point?
@@rockstar-5934 amen, and often people blame the gpu first when its Radeon or now with Arc. Yeah their drivers are spotty, but 95% of the time the big issues are caused by something else in the system, in particular stability or performance deviation.
@@rockstar-5934 His point is that Arc is completely unreliable and all over the place in terms of performance from one game to the next, and that Intel's drivers are still garbage as of now no matter how many improvements they've made. But then you know that, which is why you and your buddy there immediately got all defensive about it. Trying to equate that as being 'the same for all PCs' and 'perfectly normal' is just Intel shill disinfo of course. I don't have to worry about MY GPU performing like a GTX 1050 in one title and an RTX 3070 in the next, or simply refusing to launch a certain game at all, because I don't own Arc and won't do until Intel get their crap together. Nevertheless, you brave soldiers who paid Intel hundreds of dollars to beta test their product have my thanks.
@@CaptainKenway well the 770 offers some extra features, not just gaming
@@rockstar-5934 not to that extent
This can be Intels Ryzen moment for GPUs. Aiming for low to mid range with fair pricing from 200$-400$ 12-20GB, strong feature set, they could take a chunk out of the market. I might pick up an A770 16GB for 300ish usd.
Hope the next iteration will deliver great performance with little cost
The price will only go up. I don't believe a bunch, but I'm sure it will. I feel like this card was released as a loss leader to build the market up for Intel cards
@@jacobwebb8818I agree, If we consider the new production line for new product, low quantity, new drivers, support team, architecture. Everything cannot beat years of developed production from Nvidia and AMD.
@@jacobwebb8818 probably a bit. But i also would not put it past Intel to under cut for the win. This has worked wonders for them in the past several times. When you own your own fabs and have a huge net worth, you can pinch the fat and pull such a move off. I know Battlemage is still on TSMC but i'm pretty sure from Celestial forward it will be 18A
The card was released at a good price because it has many issues and performence at release was not even worth the price. They didn't raise the price because they don't really make them anymore and that would be bad PR.
The A770 was supposed to be a 3070/6700XT competitor and uses more silicone then both, yet it performs closer to a 3060. Thats why the good price. It was a flop, and priced as such. It still NEEDs ReBar on to even be usable.
@@shepardpolska Why is everybody so pissed off with ReBar requirements ? My 5 year old B450 motherboard supports it. Also, Intel is new to the market, they won't even dream of making GPUs as profitable as AMD or Nvidia until they get a decent stable market share.
I watch HWB for graphs of current/high end stuff, I watch IBT for the mid range and older stuff and it is just as good.
Nice video as always. Keep it up man.
Shocked at how far Intel has come after all the issues the initial launch. Although still not perfect, it is nice to see so much work being done to improve the drivers. Great video as always. 💪👍
ARCs D3D8/9 improvements have come from Linux and Wine, instead of trying to get it to run D3D8 and D3D9 natively they stopped trying and instead baked DXVK (Wine's DirectX to Vulkan translation layer) directly into the drivers. This allows them to have a D3D12 / Vulkan optimized GPU while maintaining good performance on D3D8 and D3D9 (on my RX 6700XT many D3D8 and D3D9 games actually run better in Linux under Wine than they do in Windows 10)
Drivers were rough at launch, but are much better now. For the money you get 16GB VRAM on a solid 256-bit bus. None of that 128-bit garbage that the other vendors are selling for higher price. Looking very good for Intel!
I bought an A380 out of curiosity and to support competition, bonus points for AV1 encoding (400+ FPS re-encoding my library). The A750 at $200 right now is, in my opinion, the best bang-for-buck card and if they drop the A770 to $270-300 it'll make the recent "budget" cards from teams green and red pointless. As an added bonus, Intel is releasing drivers seemingly every month and continually improving performance so you can count on them running even better as time goes on.
Getting close now to that $ mark. ASRock phantom cards are currently going 280$ for the 8gb 770 model and 310$ for the 16gb 770 ( current promo code knocks 10$ off )
@@frostcate2546 Good to know, I've been watching the prices a bit and it seemed like $320ish is where they were settling with 16GB models still being too much for what you get. I'm not sure if I want to hold out for $180-200 for a 750 or go for a 770. It's not going to be in my main gaming rig or even my extra but rather a gaming machine I put together just because. From a hardware collecting standpoint the 770 seems like the obvious choice but I don't know that the extra performance is in line with the extra cost.
@@406Steven Well, it's happened. The A770 16gb is sitting at 300$ now
@@frostcate2546 Good to know, last I looked they were still going for $320. For the money I really don't know if you can do better for a new card. I'm very tempted to pick one up, though I already have 2 gaming PCs.
@@406Steven Kinda wanted to pick one up myself lol but idk what use I would have it for since I already have an A750 and a Rtx 3090
Your channel is everything i`ve ever dreamed of and hope to do it myself someday. Big job!
Considering the spec of this gpu it's a bit sad to see how much the driver is holding it back.
That was the story of my life when I had a 8gb RX580 a few years back.
How would you know? You think you know better than high IQ tech engineers with MBA's who work in Intel? You don't.
@@damazywlodarczyk Intel fanbois never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.
@@damazywlodarczyk WTF is wrong with you?
Agreed!
It is nice to see that Intel is putting in the work on their drivers to make their cards better. That said, I am also glad that I got my hands on a RTX 2080 Super to replace my GTX 1070, and now an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X to replace my AMD Ryzen 5 1600X. The Intel cards have decent price and performance now, and will likely get some what better over time, but I can't find a new card that is on par with performance per dollar compared to what I got my 2080 Super for. And it does seem the 2080 Super or cards in that performance range seem to be a perfect match to the 5600X.
Cope
@Gustav0 He is in buyers remorse mode and trying to cope. Nothing will beat a brand new RX 5700XT for 180usd in 2019
@@youtubeisgarbage900 Buyers remorse mode?
@@youtubeisgarbage900 those AMD cards didnt even have any DLSS equivalent and didnt even have RT cores, buying Amd that gen was a waste of money
@@mrpiratefox4497 180 dollars and amd fidelity fx is a thing, ray tracing is a meme that doesn't matter
You should do the a750, it has 90% of the performance of the 770, and can be had for $200. It is the best budget card right now. I have one paired with a I3 12100f, 2tb nvme, and 16g ddr4. And I was able to build that for about $650
A poor man that is bragging lol
@@LanciaSiluri his cpu performance is a million times more than me though💀
@@LanciaSiluri a rich guy coping on value lmao
@@LanciaSiluri and what is wrong with it? I got myself
A decade old Core i5 3470 and 5 years old RX 560 4G in an asrock b75 mobo, with dual channel team elite ddr3 8gb ram, a Samsung 870 evo 1tb and WD blue 1tb as storage devices, and office logitech mouse and keyboard, ofcourse with an ancient prehistoric 1366x768 monitor
How's that sound?
@@AhmadWahelsa another clown that brags about old crap, no one gives a flying f what you bought/have
I have one as well... on a 13900K with 64GB DDR5 5600. NGL there was some growing pains with this card. And yes the 16GB of VRAM was a Major deciding factor in its choice. My ultrawide display is limited to 1080 (I might update that at some point) so something like the A770 was not a stretch. The card is honestly an 'Interim Card'. And the rough around the edges parts of the experience begins in older titles like Star Trek Online. The cards sings with great performance on newer titles like Sons of the Forest. I feel & see the difference between Intel's card and the other two. I was going to get a 4090, but none were ever available.
A770 is great for 1080p for sure and its a amazing capture card as well and in truth I think it's going to age a lot better then a lot of the gpus priced around the same
CDPR also made general optimisations for ARC during the XeSS integration in Witcher 3 and CP2077. With low-level API's both DX12 and Vulkan, a LOT of the onus for performance is also on the game engine developers, not just driver teams. Expect ARC performance to significantly improve as game engines take ARCs existence into account over time too. Great video and glad things are improving, try XeSS, it's already proven really good, way better than FSR2 visually even in software mode if you use a gpu newer than RDNA1, and it's faster too in ARC hardware mode.
Finally, Intel enters the conversation. I cant wait for the next card they make. Now that Nvidia has really given up on PC gamers, i hope intel comes in and saves the day.
Does the intel want to have 200%+ profit margins from AI GPUs or 80% profit margins from gaming GPUs… hmm… or sell GPUs at los or not profit like they do now…
Intel will douple the prices if the next gen is any good!
@@haukikannel they have promised that it is the same. don't expect a huge price increase like nvidia.
This GPU drop has been the most fascinating since the Radeon VII. I love misfit cards
I have a a750 and play a ton of older games. Pillars of Eternity, Divinity, and even BG2. No glitches. No artifacts. I run at 4k on 11700k. The A750 is the best deal in gpus. Notice when people complain, they never list broken titles, they just throw it out there. Breaking hearts.🎉
For first gen this is a solid product. 30+ years of backwards compatibility is one HUGE hurdle that many who have dissed on this card overlook. I bought a 6700xt this year because, well, it's better. But i would love to see Intel keep up the good work and maybe buy a Celestial or Druid from them in a few years.
Just ordered an Acer Predator Bifrost A770 OC. My primary use case is creation and editing. Very little 3D. Looking forward to using its features.
Supposedly coming in a month and a half
@@KadiusFTW Mine shipped this morning.
@@daviddesrosiers1946 saying mine is
I bought an arc a750 some time ago, and other than 2 times that it wouldn't run a game, I had no performance issues whatsoever, so experience may vary for anyone, and I'm confident that the driver is the thing holding back the gpus
I love iceberg, but as a 750 owner myself, he definitely did or didn't do something that hindered the performance. Resizable BAR maybe
RGB, red green blue, i feel like this is teh beginning of huge rivalries, which is good for us because better gpu's
Interesting you brought up Spider-Man, I was finishing up Miles Morales after a recent patch and it was behaving very similarly on my 1700/5700XT and my Steam Deck 🤔
Your conclusion is about the same as I always think when I'm looking at the Arc, though the fact that a year later the A770 looks better than it did at launch and still like a valid option has me hopeful for the Battlemage cards.
1 reason to go for the a770 that I'm surprised you didn't mention is AV1 encoding
Even if all you do is clip your gameplay, AV1 makes everything look better, and if you stream on TH-cam then you can stream with AV1 to save some bandwidth or make your stream lool better at the normal bandwith you stream at
all 3 arc cards have av1
Definitely looking forward to more AV1 support in the future.
For some reason I just like your channel more than other review channels. Keep it up
I'm using Asrock's 16gb A770 at 1440p and it's an amazing card, definitely glad I decided to go with Arc!
I'd enjoy seeing you review the a750 8gb sometime. Now that's is $200 USD for a new one, I think that particular card is hard to not recommend. I have the a770 16gb, it's just not got the rasterization power it should based on it's specs and it really doesn't outperform the a750 like it should. I actually think you'd be impressed with the a750, for the price.
The ARC A770 is more hammered by driver optimization
@@100500daniel Perhaps, in some games but I think with a lot of dx12 games where it ought to perform like a 3070 or better it just doesn't have the power and I don't think they will get the drivers to better that.
From what I have seen the A750 performs pretty well compared to the A770. The A750 can be had for around $200 in the USA as well. I use mine in my streaming PC in the hopes that someday Twitch will start supporting AV1 encoding.
It does. if you look at hardware specs as well is pretty close as well. It's only the 8GB vs 16Gb that is the bigger difference but considering the performance of this cards i don't know how much it matters.
@@SIPEROTH Yeah, the software is the real issue with these cards. Once they get better drivers they're gonna be killer. They have already improved performance by a lot.
I had bought one of these late last year and was super excited. It did awesome in time spy but when I started playing MW2 the frame rate was way below the 3060 ti I was using at the time and for some reason I was having problems getting into lobbies. A couple times the game would flat out freeze or my system would crash.
Maybe some of those bugs were worked out but for $350 I was expecting at least a stable gaming experience.
I got an A770 16Gb slightly used from a frustrated gamer for about half the new price before the drivers got useable.
I use it for video work mainly but have recently tried a couple of games and it's pretty good.
I hope Battlemage will be another big step up and I'm planning on buying one new next time.
Oh and I'm kind of locked in to Nvidia for my main box because - Blender. I didn't buy this generation.
i just bought one used to use primarily for video editing - very curious to see how it goes... was strongly compelled to go with this over nvidia for some reason
Please do a revisit of this GPU with the up to date drivers
I'm excited for Battlemage, the second generation of DGPU's has real potential, especially with RT performance.
Hmm, looks like the drivers still need more massaging but the performance is there, the 770 seemed like a real disappointment at first but Intel is at least in the ballpark. It's a solid first showing after all, but I think we'll all be more interested in the followup. It really is too bad that Intel didn't get a piece of the "price no object" GPU market, that would have encouraged them a lot, but hopefully they intend to give the competition a proper run and don't give up from weak sales for their first cards.
A strategy for Intel could be to avoid competing in the upper class segments, going up against the likes of the 4090 somewhen in the future might not be a good idea. What they could do is invest massively where all the money is, in the mid and low tier segment followed up by affordable prices, that means going hard on the 1080p/1440p market where most people still find themselves.
1% of Steam users are on 4k and people like me are not going to transition anytime soon, I have other priorities like most people. For me personally the temptation to upgrade only comes in the form of significant performance improvement while also maintaining a sane price, Intel could actually do that if they focus.
While I don´t believe Intel should compete to be the top dog, it´s simply a risky and very expensive undertaking, it doesn´t mean they can´t work on it while developing something most gamers can actually benefit from.
A halo card can be a customer-draw, but Intel is focusing on the core market (low to mid tier). This is a smart move early on.
If the next few gens find their footing, I'm sure they'll begin pushing into the high tier market.
I think in the near Future the a770 will start to perform on par or better with new games in the future as the 8GB of the on the RTX 3070 is going to hurt it and worse of all I own a RTX 3070 🤦
As an Arc owner I'd say A770 is the equivalent of 3060ti while A750 is the equivalent of 3060. In computing power intel exceeds competition but it's really hard to turn all that into gaming performance.
@@lordshitpost31 The spec should put it close to a 3070 going forward, but it has 16GB of VRAM while a 3070 has only 8GB.
I love my A750 purchased about a year ago. The design is just beautiful.
I've only just stumbled over your channel, and I have to say that what you're doing here is excellent. It's rare to see a hardware review video that is so incredibly well produced. I hope the youtube algorithm is kind and merciful for you, you deserve to get a lot bigger.
I love everything about this card. The looks, the performance, the potential, all are off the charts, considering Intel is still a rookie in the GPU world. Already owning an RTX 3070 is the only thing stopping me from buy an ARC for the time being
I've been very tempted by the Intel cards, but have a few major hangups still. The main reason I was even thinking about a new card was to give me better performance for VR, but VR and ARC don't get along all that well just yet. I was also looking at a 3D scanner for fun, but the one I am most interested in requires an Nvidia card, so that's more rain on my parade. Hoping Intel keeps up the pressure for future releases though as they look to be really good performance for the money on games that work well with them.
I have the ACER Intel® Arc™ A770 16 GB Predator BiFrost OC Graphics Card on AMD cpu & this card is amazing , I’ve tested it will all the games above apart from warzone & I can’t say one bad thing about the Card , I’m impressed
This was a good video - informative and entertaining, and I really liked the intro and the potted history of Arc. Nice to see a UK-based TechTuber doing good stuff like this.
I just picked up an Asrock Phantom Gaming Arc A770 for just £190, new from a big tech retailer via Ebay. That's a premium 3-slot card with 3 fans. I don't like the design of it so much, and I really wanted an Intel Arc Limited Edition card because they look so cool and are a slice of GPU history, but the cheapest I found was £230, and only an A750.
Even though I know it's not going to match my RTX 4070 FE for performance or compatibility, I'm really looking forward to having some fun tinkering. I'll probably build a seperate system to put it in eventually, though gotta pay off the interest-free credit for my 4070 first!
Using a clip from Tomorrow Never Dies in the opener is an easy way into my heart, thank you.
You're lucky, I was almost going to use a clip from Austin Powers
I would love to build a system with an Arc A770. It's absolutely impressive what Intel have achieved with their first line of dedicated GPUs.
I'm really excited on how they will perform in the future.
But Intels prices don't make it easy. The Arc A770 costs as much as the RX 6700XT where i am.....so......yeah that's a pass for most people at the moment.
My first graphics card was Intel i740. Overall very good card but had to change it for a 3d card. I have been with nVidia for a long time but had 1 ATi card. I am on the cusp of buying a new GPU. I am going to buy Intel again.
congratulations on 30k subs!
4:38 "starts to look cinematic... in a bad way"😂😂😂
I’ve been waiting for this one!!!! Just started watching but for anyone that sees this Spider-man Remastered and Miles Morales have both just been updated to XeSS 1.1 but in future the DLLs can be swapped out version to version on any single player title like DLSS
Oh wow, I've never had or seen freezing like that before in Spider-Man remastered.
My rig AMD 5600x@4.8ghz, 32gb cl18 ram, rx6700xt 12gb, 8tb 7200rpm HDD.
Also, would've loved to see 1080p benchmarks. Cheers
I am an old guy
I was there when the Intel i740 failed big time
I was also there when Larrabee failed as well
glad that Intel finally got it together in their third try
Very excited to see the A770 on your channel!
I think I posted here earlier about this card and I can say that it has impressed me with each driver update. The last update included a firmware update that corrected a bootup issue I was having with this card and no more problems! Intel listens and responds to those who are having some issues very quickly! On heaven benchmark with max settings I am getting even better results with frame rates, Avg 50 low and 150 high. With AMD Ryzen 5800X3D and 32 gb's 3600 memory was a very good investment last year. I don't care for buying new parts every year so I'm looking for long term usability. As expensive new cards are getting I'm going to wait and see what Battlemage is going to be in price and performance. Between Scalpers, Miners and general Greed at the start of 2020 it's nice to see some sanity emerge from all of this.
"the CPU has potential to be bottleneck with this class of GPU" i´m really happy for jokes like that
wake up babe new iceberg tech video
Getting good performance with ray traced games at 1440p isn't cheap, tbh there's only the RTX 4070 Ti or higher GPU's that meet my standards. It's great to see Intel enter the fray, at this point I'd rather give them my cash than Nvidia, fingers crossed for Battle Mage. 👍🏻
Red Green Blue. Perfect, especially for GPU’s that produce color.
I have a feeling battlemage is going to be a ball buster for team green and red intel is really bringing the value
My next card will probably be from team blue. Hopefully, they keep making these improvements. I see Intel taking 30% of the marketshare within 3 years, if they keep improving the drivers and AMD with NVidia keep prices reasonably high. Though, Radeon group has dropped their prices. At the same time Intel's have some great features. What keeps a lot of gamers from getting are the bugs. Crush the bugs, offer solid 1440p gaming experience in sub €400 and you will have > 10% within a year.
As for the spiderman issue i had it in my i5 10400f and rx 5700 xt when the game was in my hdd
It was unplayable then i transferred it to my nvme and only had it happen once through the whole game
Not sure why its happening with you but for me transferring it to a faster drive fixed the issue
I wonder if the major stutters could be related to resizable BAR not being enabled? I know that's a huge bottleneck for Intel cards.
Resizable BAR is a requirement for Intel cards;I mean if it were disabled you would see worse performance than that.
ReBAR was enabled
I've only ever had those Spider Man remaster issues when running my game from a hard drive. Once I switched it to an ssd it was BUTTERY smooth. Wicked good optimization after the cpu patches they did.
Your voice makes me think of the intro to the early 90s show beyond 2000
I love how the first couple of game he chooses have known performance issues
Honestly the real winner here is the 1080ti. Over 6 years old and still keeps up with the mid range today. That's of course no praise specifically to the 1080ti, but in fact more proof of the stagnation of the midrange that's occurred for far too long now.
It's not available for delivery on Newegg in the UK. Hmm... I consistently get better prices for new PC hardware from Newegg even when delivered to the UK from the US.
Wild at release these a750 was onpar with my r9 390 now it's big brother is almost competitive against my 6700xt
How tf Is your channel so small your content is so good
Cant wait for trio rgb for each team respectively
Most games that underperformed were all Sony ports see the trend so Sony on their side are not optimizing games for the arc it’s all the drivers so imagine the future ports that do support arc
I hope that Intel's cards do as well as possible. Gpu prices need to be brought down.
Intel Arc FTW!
Thanks for this well done and informative video.
For a first gen its great.
Hey Iceberg, You should add Cities:Skylines as a game for CPU testing. Because that game likes really powerful CPU's. I don't see many PC hardware youtubers use that game. So I would really like to see Cities:Skylines
Just to add the city for the benchmark scene should have 150k or more population, since small cities don't cause much trouble for the CPU. IIRC I got a city like that where there are 2 very crowded subway stations connected by a pedestrian bridge, filled into the brim. Zoom into that and FPS really bogs down, like under 30 or so. Running on a 5700X with PBO.
@@cristod1904 Yeah, and your CPU is good, mine is an i5-10400f and I have a big city with a lot of mods and assets :) With this setup in the busy area I get 15 FPS XD. But at least I'm planning to upgrade for C:S 2. I have 2 options upgrade to AMD 5000 thousand series or to i7-10700k and OC it.
@@zaliasis1366 IMO maybe avoid the 10700k, still quite expensive isn't it? For AMD maybe have a look at the 5800x3d, or Intel's 12600kf or 13600kf
@@cristod1904 I was planning to buy the i7-10700k used for about 170 Euros. But I was also thinking of AMDs AM4 platform 5 thousand series because of their low power draw to performance. Intel's 12th and 13th gen power draw is crazy. That I didn't even consider intel. Until the 12th and 13th gen intel CPUs I liked intel but now I'm almost certain that I'm going to transition to AMD.
@@cristod1904 Does the extra cash help for cities:skylines?
I bought one yesterday and I'm terrified to watch this
Considering the a770s die size and power consumption despite its somewhat small node, I think this GPU will carry the legacy on AMDs finewine.
Maybe I'm just stupidly hopeful though
The most striking conclusion here is how good the GTX 1080ti still is. Oh for a manufacturer to still be making their top card available at a relatively reasonable cost.
An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
keep up the work man i have as much fun watching you as ltt!
The Intel Arc cards are very nice, but since DOSBox doesn't work with them, they are useless to me. Edit: Intel finally fixed the Dosbox Windows issue with their latest drivers, so all is good now.
Running the Arc with an AMD proc hobbles its capabilities right out of the gate. Several of its capabilities come into play when paired with a 12th gen or newer i7 or i9
Hey man,
Like your videos but using the bullet shot sound effect on every single one is getting a bit jarring and sorta annoying.
Recommend you switch it up a bit, find a few more effects etc.
This channel is just amazing! Thank you so much sir)
2:57 I can’t believe Intel has “memory utilization” in their overlay. Nvidia doesn’t with GeForce experience.
This card should be the next progression of the A750 for the refresh and a BIG driver update.
Better comparison would be an RX 7600, RTX 4060, RTX 3060, RX 6550 XT, similarly priced together 280 to 300 USD for me.
best newcomer tech channel and dope music
nice video. I wonder wth is going on in Warzone O_o
One question: Why are you using Epic view distance in Fortnite? It has no effect on player render distance and might even be beneficial to spot sneaky enemies due to grass not being rendered
The card WILL age like a fine wine, based on its actual theoretical performance and fp32 I could actually be better than a 2080 regular with time, remember these drivers are brand spakin new first gen, the fact it runs at all is a miracle, its performance in synthetics prove this, the card dusts a 2080 super in superposition, just gotta wait
As a wise man once said, wait chads shall inherit the earth
C'mon Intel stick with it because you know that 3 is the magic number.
Last week i opend one of my arc cards and instandly close the backplate back becouse i never seen so much testing points on a electronix device. She is a beauty and most people will never see her naked.^^
Just not a good idea compared to RDNA 2, hopefully Battlemage can improve the situation and maybe offer 16gb VRAM at sub $300 MSRP? 👀
ngl as like the community, i hope for intel for a greater outcome, another competitor is a welcome one in this market
11:52 The Witcher 3 added official XeSS support recently.
I can't believe we're still using the 1080ti for benchmarks five years later; regardless of price.
You deserve way more than 30,000 subs!
I really like them and will probably pick on up for an oddity shjelf. There is a lot of potential, let´s wait for the next generation.
Isn't the 3070 a really old card standard for today, and they are comparing to that?