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Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2). Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
@@Taubi81 One of the nurses present in the OR at the end is Laura Bailey. I haven't played Game 2, but I know who she played there. Not gonna say more.
Man seeing stone faced Joel when he killed all those fireflies was pretty chilling. Like nothing was gonna stop him at all. Bella at the end really hit all the beats from the game. That look in her eyes as she was suspecting Joel was soooo on point. Love the reactions Mary!!! 💞
Neither Joel nor Marlene gave Ellie the choice, Marlene bc she was afraid Ellie would not agree, and Joel bc he was afraid she would agree. Amazing acting and the most faithful adaptation of a game ever.
I think it's pretty clear what Ellie would have chosen. Marlene even said Joel knew deep down. And he did. He clearly noticed how she was doing. She was suffering guilt and trauma that made her want to complete this mission despite the danger. She was nearly at the end of her rope, and that's why Joel told her about "the guy who missed" and how he was so ready to do it. Joel knows what she currently feels can be temporary.
Thing is, Joel wasn't allowed to even ask her... soooo... can't really use the argument of Joel not giving her a choice, Joel just took away the Fireflys intentions of not giving Ellie a choice.
What an emotional finale that was. Seeing Ashley Johnson (OG Ellie) as Ellie’s mom was sweet. Thank you Naughty Dog and HBO for this series. Can’t for season 2
Most people who havent played the games wont probably realize that the mother of Ellie in the tv series is the actual voice actor for Ellie in the games:). Not that they realized either that the tv series Ellie stabbed his in game daddy aka Joel in the neck with that cleaver in episode 8.
Yes. I remember how earlier that day she told Joel that after their visit to the Fireflies she and Joel would live on a Sheep farm/Ranch. She had no clue she was about to be murdered.
We’d expect Joel to act this way. The fireflies also definitely knew it was a high probability Joel would be heartbroken. What we didn’t expect is for the fireflies to do things in the worst possible way. They could have lied and told him it was Ellie’s choice. What I am saying is this. They had time to prepare for their arrival and think through the possibilities and solutions but they didn’t.
However earlier in this episode she said they had to finish it. No halfway. Joel knew what she would choose and took it away from her. Joel couldn't give up Ellie because he lacks empathy for anyone else's "Sarah". He had more in common with Kathleen at the end.
@@nimz8521 I think that's a very simplistic view of a very complex issue. The vast majority of parents, regardless of species, would kill to protect their children. It's survival instinct. Marlene claims that Ellie would've given her life to try making a vaccine, and true as that may be, she didn't give Ellie a choice at all. She was dead set on killing Ellie on the off chance that they'd be able to make a vaccine against a fungus. Regardless of how much I want something done, I'd still feel violated if someone took that choice away from me because it's my choice. They didn't give Ellie that chance, which doesn't make her death a sacrifice, it makes it just another murder of a child. I wouldn't kill my kids to potentially make medicine, and the fact is that neither would you.
I feel like no one realized that Ellie was under the impression she's leaving with Joel after it's done. No one informed her this procedure is going to cost her her life. Everyone else is thinking Joel is wrong for what he did. But they didn't even let him say goodbye. Marlene even stated she didn't mention anything to her she ready and prepped to go. Than she threatens Joel not to interfere with there plans. I'm not going to consent anyone's life on the maybe this will be the cure. When they haven't even trialed and errored anyone. The Dr could be absolutely off with it could be a vaccine and is just talking out of his ass.
Whilst I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, so this series has been quite the journey. Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of Ellie's immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. I love that they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see it. Though it is realistic, the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, as teens are generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is. Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommie's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her. I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she needed that from him, but it was also something he wanted to give to her to show her just how much she meant to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter to this moment of trust and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come. The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from surgery) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, shells pinging on the floor, the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he understands that he may have just resigned humanity to extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly. He also knows that Marlene was probably right in that Ellie would have given her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? But he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all also understand why he didn't, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him. I think it's this that makes this ending such a compelling one. Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season. Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly. Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
I never thought that Bella looked like Ashley Johnson, but seeing her playing Elle’s mother you can see the resemblance. Bella has darker eyes, but you could see them being related.
The fact that Joel tried to shoot himself also adds a lot to the scene where Henry shoots himself. Joel knew exactly where Henry's head was after he shot Sam.
I'm a single.. But not a dad yet, and fuck the world i absolutely gonna destroy and burn the whole world just for my kid. Even in joel's case, he ain't gonna destroy the world since the world already fucked anyway..
I mean, I understand where he's coming from, but "support" is a big word. Those people also had loved ones, and the world doesn't revolve arround his trauma. What about their daughters? What about their partners? What about them? And most importantly, what about what Ellie wanted?. That's why all of this comes to bite Joel's ass in the second part.
One smaller point that is forgotten in conversation is that Bill's letter to Joel, regarding protecting your loved ones over humanity in general, also likely had a profound effect over Joel's choice. On the other hand, it was Marlene's decision (and failure) to not let Ellie know also robbed Ellie of her choice, even if we do know Ellie would have made her decision on her own. Tough choices all around.
Just bitter sweet outcomes from all sides.. which are you gonna be okay with the most.. Joel have survives apocalypse and decided to continue lives in that world as long he have his daughter. Ellie tired of being this "special" girl where the whole world depends on her and yet she always feels like she can't do nothing to help and people just keeps dying on her. Despite Marlene is Ellie's mother friend and know Ellie literally from the day she was born, she doesn't give a shit about Ellie, she didn't even give a shit from the day Ellie is borned, she rejected to take Ellie multiple times in front of her dying friend, even when she agreed to took Ellie, she still didn't raised her or took Ellie into the fireflies, she dropped Ellie off in the QZ under Fedra. until she finds out Ellie survives the bite in the mall and means she could be the key for humanity. She doesn't have the relationship or any connection with Ellie so no.. She doesn't understand Joel.. She won't understand the feeling of loosing Ellie
@Calvelozark SHe probably would have wanted to wake up Ellie and ask her what she wants to do. Marlene didn't want to because she might say no. Joel didn't want to because she might say yes. I like to think Tess would have tried to do what made sense. But selfish agendas are selfish agendas.
And honestly, should a young teenager that is suffering from survivors guilt be allowed to give up their life? That's not a thing a teenager should ever be asked to do.
@@rowaystarco That is true, but we have to recgonize the special case here. This could be the one human that can save the entire race from possible extinction. It's a great moral dilemma and why it's legendary in the first place. Do whats right morally for your family? Or do what's right morally for the human race. In this situation I honestly blame Marlene for ultimately not being hardcore enough. SHe should have just killed Joel when she had the chance. She kept trying to reason with a guy who never once showed any care for saving the human race. First it was for Tess then it was for Ellie. Never for the cure or humanity.
@@maybeitsyou1317 For me it also begs the question, if you have to commit countless murders, including taking children's lives, do you really have the moral high ground? At the end of the day, Marlene must've suspected why Ellie ended up immune, she's not stupid. She would have figured out that Anna was bit during childbirth and that led to Ellie's immunity. Nothing stopped her from at least trying to replicate the circumstances on herself in order to produce an immune child to sacrifice for experiments. At the end of the day, Marlene is selfish too, she wanted the cure, and she was willing to kill others for it, as long as it wasn't herself or her loved ones. That's the beauty of the story, no one's right here, it's all morally ambiguous decisions that have no right or wrong answer.
As far as Bella’a age, this was filmed back in 2021 and she wore chest binders throughout filming. I’m pretty sure at 19, without that and maybe a different hairstyle, she will age up from “14” significantly
I don't know what it is I just don't think she'll look old enough even at 21. She certainly has incredible acting chops especially for a young actor so I understand why HBO went with her but for me personally even after the finale something just still feels off, highlighted even more seeing/hearing Ashley Johnson this episode. Maybe it's just Bella's very small round face but I have a feeling she'll be one of those actors who always look much younger for their age, like Haley Joel Osment.
@@rootchino They have an entire industry that can make a 20 year old look 90. She'll be fine. It's all pretend, with makeup and effects. People are too focused on "this person HAS to fit this exact or it's just taking me out of it" We're spoiled.
@@Bananahammock681 plus they got a 46-47 year old Pedro Pascal to play a decade older for this show, performance and makeup were key factors in that. Bella was tasked to play younger than she is. Now she’ll be tasked to play her age
@Calvelozark Marlene didn't even want to take Ellie when the mom told her to. She does not see Ellie as a daughter that is why I said she does not understand.
When I first played the game I didnt have kids and I was like "Joel, dude save the world let them get the cure!" But now I have 2 kids and I would totally do the same as Joel (but surely not that bada$$) This hits a lot different when you have kids TBH.
15:18 Fun fact about that moment right there. The nurse standing closest to the window. That is Laura Baily. She is one of Ellies/Ashley Johnsons best friends & she actually voiced said nurse in the game. In case that you are unaware of this. Ellie/Ashley is in real life a pretty introverted & shy person. So in 2009´ish she joined a D&D game to be social & get new friends. This went very well for her. Ellie/Ashley started playing D&D on Twitch in 2015. This became so poular that they asked the audience for 750.000 $ so that they could make an animated episode of it. They got 11 mio.$ from the fans. This meant that the show: "The Legend of Vox Machina" was created last year. It has been hugely succesful. Both first & second season. The theird one has been green lit. Just saying this because if you need a new show to react to. I would recommend that.
100 parents were asked if what Joel did was right and 100 parents said yes. To a parent your children are your world. The whole world could burn for all you care as long as your children are safe.
I liked Ellie's demeanor in this episode... almost blank. Thinking about how goofy she acts sometimes around Joel, just to push his buttons... and her now just not being able to get out of her own head with the trauma - I think Bella played it so well
Not just her knife, but also her jacket! You probably want to re-watch that flashback once you're done with Part 2, as they drew some parallels here that you may recognize. And if you haven't recognized her voice: Laura Bailey played one of the nurses. The head injury and his suicide attempt wasn't in the game.
I think a major part of the problem for Joel was that the fireflies didn't give Ella an option - they didn't tell her she wasn't going to live through the surgery...
What an emotional and powerful episode. I was never able to have children, with that being said I would have done the same thing as joel. I just wonder how ellie is going to feel about Joel's actions at the hospital. Will she be mad or will she understand why Joel did what he did. I guess I will just have to wait until next season.
Wait for the other season sure... But you can also play TLOU Part 2 (on PS5 for better experience) and you may have all the the responses. In my opinion Part 2 story is even better and this game is a master piece. I can't wait to see the next season of the show as well ! 😉
Ellie helped heal him enough to open his heart, but his trauma defense is still ever present. That switch to compartmentalized violence for survival at all costs extends to Ellie now. That cold look, almost robotic speech. That defense mechanism will take a lot longer to wind down. An interesting observation, Ellie lost her mother on her birthday and Joel lost his daughter on his birthday.
now that Bredan Fraser is the Oscar winner I highly recommend that you watch some of his movies like "The Mummy", "George of the Jungle" and of course "The Whale"❤️
The second game was much longer than the first. I really hope they move and extend some things around from the second game and spread it out through two seasons.
Watching this series was definitely the best adaptation of a video game ever from start to finish. Makes me want to play the first one all over again can't blame Joel for what he did to the Fireflies having Elle around gave him a purpose all over again. Awesome reaction Mary ❤❤👏🏾👍🏾🔥
There was a clever little cameo when you see a young girl with a long ponytail be the only one to escape this massacre due to a soldier surprising Joel when they come around a corner, re-directing Joel’s attention.
I feel like a little bit of makeup and some fake tattoos is all she needs for season two. She’ll look just fine. She definitely showed she can be brutal enough for it. I’m excited to see the portrayal of how they deal with the consequences of the finale. Everyone was wrong in the end though. The Fireflies didn’t give Ellie a chance to make her own decision. They didn’t give Ellie and Joel a chance to say goodbye. They could’ve tried studying her a while and seeing if there was a way to do a cure without killing her, or if there were other things they could gain from studying her. Plus, Ellie was only 14. They were willing to Kip her for a “maybe cure.” They were one hundred percent in the wrong. They forced Joel into a situation where he had no choice but to fight. The only thing he did wrong was lie to Ellie about it. If he was just honest with her about the way things went down, I feel like it would’ve made sense to her eventually. Anyways, excited for season two.
The resemblance between Bella Ramsey and Ashley Johnson is uncanny. From the moment Joel met Ellie, it was his destiny that he would protect her, no matter the cost. Not death, not even the human race being possibly saved was going to keep Joel from protecting Ellie.
Such a good episode! Even though, it was a bit too short, in my opinion. I would have loved to have had another 10-15 good minutes of their tender moments, just to give us a bit more of their growing love for one another. But I digress. Still exceptionally well done. Lots of great moments. Seeing Ashley Johnson in the beginning playing Ellie's Mom, was such a full circle moment for her. Goes from playing the character, to being the character's Mother. And she killed it! Then that seen with the giraffe. One of the best moments of the game, brought to life in the show. I liked the snippet they showed in Making of The Last of Us, showing Bella & Pedro petting the giraffe in the zoo. That playful exuberance translated to the show. They also captured the moment Joel went full John Wick on the hospital well too, even though I would have loved to have had a bit more intensity to it. Still good though. And that ending. His actions at the hospital done out of his love for her, then doubling down on the lie. Which sets the whole foundation that Part 2 is built off of. Can't wait for next season - even though I know exactly what is to come. Still ready to see this great story continue to unfold in it's own way throughout the show! 👍
Marlene loved Annie, not Ellie. She doesn't really know Ellie, she dumped her in the orphanage as a baby. Regarding Bella's height, they'll probably give them lifts or camera trickery or have Pedro walk in a trench- all things that usually happen.
They wont wait...IMO they'll likely start filming flashbacks as early as this Spring, as the weather would make sense and it'd be a relatively low lift as far as production needs go. Next winter they'll film the opening 1-2 episodes, then I would assume move to a new shooting location near the PNW for the Seattle setting. Season 2 then releases Jan/Feb of 2025 I'd bet.
Marlene made a difficult decision, but she's also self-righteous. She never offered Ellie a choice either, intentionally not telling her that the procedure would kill her, but criticized Joel for doing the same when he saved her life. I wouldn't say someone who's not a parent doesn't understand because I believe most people would understand the need to protect a child, but being a parent changes perspective. When my daughter was born, I was the one who cut the cord, and I knew the moment I saw her I would kick the gates of Hell off their hinges and walk through the firey streets barefoot to protect her. As a single dad, who's close to Joel's age, who raised his daughter by himself (she'll be 24 in a couple of months), I can empathize with Joel. I'd make the same decision, because if my child life is threatened, it's going to pop the cork, and there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. But it's not really a decision. It's much more primal than that. To Joel or, in my opinion, anyone who's a real father, there's only one option.
Is it wrong that I would choose humanity over one person? I just feel like I couldn’t live with myself knowing I could have saved millions of people and not do it.
Great reaction to a great episode! And if you watch the credits, Laura Bailey, Abby´s Voice Actress, IS ONE OF THE NURSES. That´s so cool to make her also a part of the show :D
Loved Bella's Ellie in the show, but there are some parts that were delivered too fast and didn't have the emotion like Ashley Johnson. One major scene is the final back and forth monologue with Joel and Ellie before the season ends. The game's version was so much more emotional. Ashley Johnson gave birth to Ellie metaphorically, but this episode allowed her to give birth to her physically. Really poetic stuff if you think about it. The nurse with the grey sleeves played a nurse in The Last of Us game as well, but she also voiced Abby in TLoU2.
if Marlene didn't handle that whole situation so damn disrespectfully and stupidly it wouldn't have went down like that! all she needed to do was show some class n treat joel n ellie with some dignity..if she sat everyone down, explained the situation and gave ellie the benefit of the doubt to make her own choice!! she would have agreed, n had joel n ellie had some time to get closure, say goodbye ect, everything would have been ALL GOOD! WTF did Marlene expect with that disrespectful undignified shit by springing it on joel, not giving ellie a choice n then have her men escort joel out IN THE MOST DISRESPECTFUL WAY POSSIBLE!! dude!! the way the guy on the left kept shoving joel every other step he took was like..... "I hope joel kills u 1st!".. I mean who treats ppl like that?? even in the apacaplypse, literally no respect, no bedside manor, no dignity she literally had that shit coming with how she handled ALL OF THAT!..it could have just as easily went smoothly, hugs, tears, goodbyes, IF SHE SHOWED SOME CLASS!! at the very least if she had half a brain cell, if she lied to joel n told him ellie agreed to do it but she didn't kno how to say goodbye, n made some shit up! that alone would have made joel stand down n just except it because he would have thought its what ellie wanted, bur marlenes dumbass tells joel "naw we drugged her b4 she even knew what was happening" lol WTF!!!!! just WHAT....A...FUCKING....IDIOT!!!!.. the disrespectful way she sprung the news on joel wouldn't have mattered if he thought it's what ellie wanted!! just....wow!! Marlene is fucking wiggity WACK!!
Ciscoak 907, I agree she just kept having dig after dig to Joel, and he was actually being resepectful for once, but as she went further he got mad and fired back and of course she got offended like how dare you stand up for yourself !
Honestly one of my favorite parts of this episode were the things not in the game. Ellie giving birth to Ellie, finding out how close Anna and Marlene were, Joel explaining to Ellie just how much she means to him directly. Things like that (P.S. we did know Ellie's mom's name is Anna from a note she left her and the recordings we find of Marlene talking to her in the hospital while Joel is on his murder spree. The father is unknown.. although maybe a Firefly as well)
I’ve never played the game but I wish they should have filmed what happened after or the conversation after episode 8 and David and her Ellie recounting it to Joel….thoughts???
I don't think that even ever happened. Ellie was never the same from that moment onward and I think Joel understood that much. Remember his "oh they have way more in mind than that" in episode 4.
agreeing w the other commentor, they didnt have the conversation. at least its not shown in the game either and we can assume that ellie didnt want to talk about it and/or they never (wanted) to bring it up. its fitting to their characters to just leave things unsaid and esp knowing how traumatizing it was for ellie
The argument that both Marlene & Joel denied Ellie a choice doesn't really work for me. Because Marlene did that deliberately, whereas Joel kind of did that as an indirect result of saving her from being murdered. They're not the same thing - one was conscious decision, one was a consequence. Joel was running on pure father-protection mode from the moment Marlene informed him she was about to murder Ellie to the point where he drives away afterwards. During the car journey is when Joel probably first realises what he's actually done in terms of Ellie's desires to help find a cure - it's probably also the first moment he even begins to properly think about what Marlene said about Ellie 'wanting to do the right thing'. But of course it's all too late by that point, so he decides to try and shield Ellie from the truth and help her make a fresh start in life at Jackson. Basically, this chain of events was set in stone. It was always going to happen this way once Marlene decided to murder Ellie.
Talk about a morally ambiguous ending. On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter. But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a….selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's all based on a lie.
Would a vaccine save the world? How many would get it? Who would even take it? You still have only 17%of Americans who are boosted against covi, with 250 a day still dying from it-95% non vaxxed. In TLOU world, the right is even more extreme-like David’s cult. No chance they would trust a Firefly vaccine…
Think TLOU deserves a lot of awards when they come around... For many scenes..and themes.... And actors and actresses.. individually and collectively..even awards for SFX ...like the plane crash... But if any scene deserves accolade..it's Joel wick in the hospital ... The score . The way it's shot.... The message even... it's one of my all time fav scenes. It was stunningly beautiful...yet ... Brutal and harrowing without being in your face graphic .it really was 2 mins of true cinematography excellence
The Doctor had no idea what to do. He was going to kill Ellie and then figure it out. I am with Joel on this one. Also: the nurse in the fore front is Laura Bailey who voices Abby in the second game.
Yup and they just had a theory that it could work. They never were sure that it will work. So the doctor could have killed Ellie and chances are they wouldn't come up with a cure
@@deepermind4884 There’s no world where a doctor would be sure his “cure” would work less than an hour after he meets Ellie. It’s insanely reckless to cut open her brain without testing. It should probably take months or years to release that point, as there’s no going back once you kill her. And if you’re wrong, you’ve thrown out your only hint at a cure.
l wasn't shocked because l knew what would happen. Watching people's reactions is like watching then rereact to the episodes. lt's a shame we've all been spoiled 😁
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Great reaction Mary I noticed your preperation of the tissues was warranted in this one. I thought this episode was amazing. I have not played the game and see how this story was so powerful emotionally and why it was a sucessful franchise. The dilemma of love vs the greater good and deciding that love overpowers logic. I have a query though if anyone knows. Did Ellie volunteer to have the surgery or was it forced?
Marlene said they didn’t tell her in her first scene with Joel. They did not reveal what the actual result of their “tests” would be. Which is line with the first game. They didn’t give her an informed choice either. That being said, I have not played the second game and don’t know if they say that she was informed in a flashback or something sometime later, or if they will change it for the tv series. 🤷 just working off of my info from the 1st game and season. If anybody else knows more, I’d love to hear as well (:
Did the infection travel into the umbilical cord long enough to cause a micro infection ? Anna lied to Marlene about cutting the cord before the bite to give baby Ella a chance
Hi Mary ❤ I really loved your reaction to the final of the last of us I hope it's as sequel in future cause I want to show to keep going after Joel i swear to Ellie !!!
What Joel did was wrong, there is no way to justify it and yet it is what many parents would do for their children. Love works in strange and twisted ways because sometimes we mix it with our innate selfishness. We have all lied out of love, but do we do it more for ourselves or for the object of our affection? What a difficult question.
In an ideal world Ellie didn't need to have the weight of the world on her. In the Ideal world Ellie is just a little girl and she's not asked to save the world because she doesn't deserve to have that responsibility on her.
You're right. Joel knew Ellie wanted to give-up her life. But that's why he told her about his attempt on his own life, and how he was sure and ready to do it. Ellie was not doing well right now with her survivor's guilt and recent trauma, and that decision should not be made in this state. Joel only wanted to give her the same chance he got when the bullet missed.
Yes Ellie would probably have gone through with the surgery...But she was not given the choice to do so. Marlene says "we didn't tell her we didnt cause any fear"... and not letting him say good bye lol BIG NO NO ..lol
He'd never let the surgery happen because not only was she basically torn from him but she wasn't given a choice, if you're going to kill someone who offers themselves up for the cause, you let them know (unless they're really young) and this is Ellie we're talking about, of course she could handle it and she would have done it and given how Joel feels about her, it was a joke to expect him to just be ok with everything that happened and go quietly. He definitely saw sense in what Marlene was saying and I think he himself believed that Ellie would choose to die but he couldn't risk Ellie making that choice afterwards if she was given one so after everything, he knew by then that Marlene had to die too. Episodes 5 and 8 were my favourites, although I loved parts of every episode for all of the Joel and Ellie moments. I didn't like episodes 3 and 7 (except for the obvious moments), I personally don't ever seem to connect with the "Up" style relationships and I didn't really like the Riley ep, other than for the knowledge it gave us, perhaps because we weren't given much to know about Riley, there's not enough back story for me to connect, again, like episode 3 and given that that these two episodes were almost all about these pairs, I didn't like them much. Eps 1 and 2 were great with the history, his daughter and Tess being in the mix and all of the infected action and 4 (while slower) was really good for the start of Joel and Ellie's relationship.
Thanks Mary! I've seen so many reactors who backed Joel's actions to the end without realizing one of the subtle messages from the story is knowing when someone has crossed the line. Though if he actually loved Ellie he would have respected what she wanted. Love isn't about possession or control, at least it shouldn't be.
But then again the fireflies also handled it very poorly they didn’t even give a consent to Ellie they just assumed that she was gonna say yes and they didn’t even have the audacity to let Joel say his final goodbyes to Ellie if she did say yes
I would never villainise Joel despite what he did. There was no guarantee that Ellie's brain would actually help make a cure. Plus he wpuld lose another daughter in the process. Kinda shows that Fedra and Fireflies are two sides of the same coin when it comes to extremism.
Great episode. And in terms of Ellie wanting to save the world, yes, she did want to... but also, that was with her understanding that they were gonna do some tests and she was gonna get to leave and live with Joel afterwards. So with yhe understanding that that was NOT gonna be an option, it's very possible that she would have declined. But NOBODY gave her that choice... and that is the tragic part in all of this and the events of the finale...
Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2). Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
Nobody was happy when they killed Joel so maybe if they go a different direction and keep him alive than people will probably be more happy about season 2, though we still gotta have Ellie and Dina happen and have them continue the journey
@@aguycalledkwest ure wrong it will literally be just like the game, but the show will take more time in the in between part (the 4 year part we dont see). and tlou 2 will be spread out over at least 2 or more show seasons. this is all confirmed by neil druckman
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Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2).
Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
@@Taubi81 One of the nurses present in the OR at the end is Laura Bailey. I haven't played Game 2, but I know who she played there. Not gonna say more.
@@Helion_Prime You can say Abby, IMDB does. 🤣
Have you've seen Everything everywhere all at once that movie was amazing
Man seeing stone faced Joel when he killed all those fireflies was pretty chilling. Like nothing was gonna stop him at all. Bella at the end really hit all the beats from the game. That look in her eyes as she was suspecting Joel was soooo on point. Love the reactions Mary!!! 💞
I loved how expressionless he was.. he felt nothing in those moments except determination to get her back. Even his delivery of his lines.. so cold
Joel has always reminded me of Malcolm Reynolds. Also Pedro’s character from the Kingsmen 2. I wonder if Joel was inspired by Mal??
The scene with Ashley Johnson giving birth to Ellie felt like she was passing the torch to Bella. So glad she was included in the show
She can't pass any torches yet she's still Ellie. Ellie's story isn't finished yet.
Neither Joel nor Marlene gave Ellie the choice, Marlene bc she was afraid Ellie would not agree, and Joel bc he was afraid she would agree. Amazing acting and the most faithful adaptation of a game ever.
I think it's pretty clear what Ellie would have chosen. Marlene even said Joel knew deep down. And he did. He clearly noticed how she was doing. She was suffering guilt and trauma that made her want to complete this mission despite the danger. She was nearly at the end of her rope, and that's why Joel told her about "the guy who missed" and how he was so ready to do it. Joel knows what she currently feels can be temporary.
It was too late. They decided to kill her without discussion with anyone. They took away Ellie's rights to choice thus they lost their rights to life.
Arcane was better
@@ornerycollop4670 that's crazy
Thing is, Joel wasn't allowed to even ask her... soooo... can't really use the argument of Joel not giving her a choice, Joel just took away the Fireflys intentions of not giving Ellie a choice.
What an emotional finale that was. Seeing Ashley Johnson (OG Ellie) as Ellie’s mom was sweet. Thank you Naughty Dog and HBO for this series. Can’t for season 2
Laura Bailey (OG Abby) was one of the nurses
@Vincent Villegas You’re right, I saw her name in the credits. That was cool.
Most people who havent played the games wont probably realize that the mother of Ellie in the tv series is the actual voice actor for Ellie in the games:). Not that they realized either that the tv series Ellie stabbed his in game daddy aka Joel in the neck with that cleaver in episode 8.
Season 2 is gonna be fuego!
Unfortunately, with season 2 comes a ton of shitposting.
Ellie never had the option to decide, she never knew it would kill her she even said in an earlier episode.
Yes. I remember how earlier that day she told Joel that after their visit to the Fireflies she and Joel would live on a Sheep farm/Ranch. She had no clue she was about to be murdered.
We’d expect Joel to act this way. The fireflies also definitely knew it was a high probability Joel would be heartbroken. What we didn’t expect is for the fireflies to do things in the worst possible way. They could have lied and told him it was Ellie’s choice. What I am saying is this. They had time to prepare for their arrival and think through the possibilities and solutions but they didn’t.
However earlier in this episode she said they had to finish it. No halfway. Joel knew what she would choose and took it away from her. Joel couldn't give up Ellie because he lacks empathy for anyone else's "Sarah". He had more in common with Kathleen at the end.
@@nimz8521 I think that's a very simplistic view of a very complex issue. The vast majority of parents, regardless of species, would kill to protect their children. It's survival instinct. Marlene claims that Ellie would've given her life to try making a vaccine, and true as that may be, she didn't give Ellie a choice at all. She was dead set on killing Ellie on the off chance that they'd be able to make a vaccine against a fungus. Regardless of how much I want something done, I'd still feel violated if someone took that choice away from me because it's my choice. They didn't give Ellie that chance, which doesn't make her death a sacrifice, it makes it just another murder of a child. I wouldn't kill my kids to potentially make medicine, and the fact is that neither would you.
I feel like no one realized that Ellie was under the impression she's leaving with Joel after it's done. No one informed her this procedure is going to cost her her life. Everyone else is thinking Joel is wrong for what he did. But they didn't even let him say goodbye. Marlene even stated she didn't mention anything to her she ready and prepped to go. Than she threatens Joel not to interfere with there plans. I'm not going to consent anyone's life on the maybe this will be the cure. When they haven't even trialed and errored anyone. The Dr could be absolutely off with it could be a vaccine and is just talking out of his ass.
Whilst I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, so this series has been quite the journey.
Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of Ellie's immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world.
I love that they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see it. Though it is realistic, the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, as teens are generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is.
Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommie's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her.
I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she needed that from him, but it was also something he wanted to give to her to show her just how much she meant to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter to this moment of trust and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come.
The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from surgery) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, shells pinging on the floor, the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he understands that he may have just resigned humanity to extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly. He also knows that Marlene was probably right in that Ellie would have given her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? But he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all also understand why he didn't, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him. I think it's this that makes this ending such a compelling one.
Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season.
Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly.
Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
I never thought that Bella looked like Ashley Johnson, but seeing her playing Elle’s mother you can see the resemblance. Bella has darker eyes, but you could see them being related.
The fact that Joel tried to shoot himself also adds a lot to the scene where Henry shoots himself. Joel knew exactly where Henry's head was after he shot Sam.
I was looking at Ashley Johnson and Bella Ramsey. They do have resemblance in facial features.
A major resemblance in my opinion!
@@slowodanx lol you’re absolutely blind if you don’t think they resemble each other. Check yours.
I'm a single father and my daughter's name is Ellie, looking through the lense of a dad I fully support what Joel did 💯
I'm a single.. But not a dad yet, and fuck the world i absolutely gonna destroy and burn the whole world just for my kid. Even in joel's case, he ain't gonna destroy the world since the world already fucked anyway..
I mean, I understand where he's coming from, but "support" is a big word. Those people also had loved ones, and the world doesn't revolve arround his trauma. What about their daughters? What about their partners? What about them? And most importantly, what about what Ellie wanted?. That's why all of this comes to bite Joel's ass in the second part.
That's kind of a terrible thing to say, but okay.
@@ivankawnartist It might be terrible but most people would watch the whole world burn before they see their baby die.
@@corvoseesthevoid2373 Yup, terrible.
Cause everyone else losing their child is nothing to them...🙄
Pedro’s performance in the shooting it’s awesome and the music too 🎉 By the way I love your reactions
It's been a great journey with you covering this series. I look forward to your future content.
One smaller point that is forgotten in conversation is that Bill's letter to Joel, regarding protecting your loved ones over humanity in general, also likely had a profound effect over Joel's choice. On the other hand, it was Marlene's decision (and failure) to not let Ellie know also robbed Ellie of her choice, even if we do know Ellie would have made her decision on her own. Tough choices all around.
Just bitter sweet outcomes from all sides.. which are you gonna be okay with the most..
Joel have survives apocalypse and decided to continue lives in that world as long he have his daughter.
Ellie tired of being this "special" girl where the whole world depends on her and yet she always feels like she can't do nothing to help and people just keeps dying on her.
Despite Marlene is Ellie's mother friend and know Ellie literally from the day she was born, she doesn't give a shit about Ellie, she didn't even give a shit from the day Ellie is borned, she rejected to take Ellie multiple times in front of her dying friend, even when she agreed to took Ellie, she still didn't raised her or took Ellie into the fireflies, she dropped Ellie off in the QZ under Fedra. until she finds out Ellie survives the bite in the mall and means she could be the key for humanity. She doesn't have the relationship or any connection with Ellie so no.. She doesn't understand Joel.. She won't understand the feeling of loosing Ellie
@Calvelozark SHe probably would have wanted to wake up Ellie and ask her what she wants to do. Marlene didn't want to because she might say no. Joel didn't want to because she might say yes. I like to think Tess would have tried to do what made sense. But selfish agendas are selfish agendas.
And honestly, should a young teenager that is suffering from survivors guilt be allowed to give up their life? That's not a thing a teenager should ever be asked to do.
@@rowaystarco That is true, but we have to recgonize the special case here. This could be the one human that can save the entire race from possible extinction.
It's a great moral dilemma and why it's legendary in the first place. Do whats right morally for your family? Or do what's right morally for the human race.
In this situation I honestly blame Marlene for ultimately not being hardcore enough. SHe should have just killed Joel when she had the chance. She kept trying to reason with a guy who never once showed any care for saving the human race. First it was for Tess then it was for Ellie. Never for the cure or humanity.
@@maybeitsyou1317 For me it also begs the question, if you have to commit countless murders, including taking children's lives, do you really have the moral high ground? At the end of the day, Marlene must've suspected why Ellie ended up immune, she's not stupid. She would have figured out that Anna was bit during childbirth and that led to Ellie's immunity. Nothing stopped her from at least trying to replicate the circumstances on herself in order to produce an immune child to sacrifice for experiments.
At the end of the day, Marlene is selfish too, she wanted the cure, and she was willing to kill others for it, as long as it wasn't herself or her loved ones.
That's the beauty of the story, no one's right here, it's all morally ambiguous decisions that have no right or wrong answer.
As far as Bella’a age, this was filmed back in 2021 and she wore chest binders throughout filming. I’m pretty sure at 19, without that and maybe a different hairstyle, she will age up from “14” significantly
Also she’ll be 20 or 21 by the time they film
I don't know what it is I just don't think she'll look old enough even at 21. She certainly has incredible acting chops especially for a young actor so I understand why HBO went with her but for me personally even after the finale something just still feels off, highlighted even more seeing/hearing Ashley Johnson this episode. Maybe it's just Bella's very small round face but I have a feeling she'll be one of those actors who always look much younger for their age, like Haley Joel Osment.
@@rootchino They have an entire industry that can make a 20 year old look 90. She'll be fine. It's all pretend, with makeup and effects. People are too focused on "this person HAS to fit this exact or it's just taking me out of it" We're spoiled.
@@Bananahammock681 plus they got a 46-47 year old Pedro Pascal to play a decade older for this show, performance and makeup were key factors in that. Bella was tasked to play younger than she is. Now she’ll be tasked to play her age
My favorite moment is the giraffe scene in this episode. Ellie's origin is very similar to Blade. HBO nailed it
Haha, holy shit I never would have gone there but yes! She is totally Zombie Blade.
@@sechay9328 Deathwalker.
@@Dark__Thoughts or Whitewalker?
@@aTofuJunkie Have you played or watched Part 2?
Joel channeling his inner John wick 😎
literally!
Marlene doesn't understand. Ellie is Joel's daughter now. Marlene just sees Ellie as a promise being broken.
exactly, she never even spent any time with elllie in the whole 14 years
@@yanksrgreat yup, gave her up the first chance she got.
Okay but…Joel doesn’t get a pass to just rob her of the choice. They are both in the wrong for not letting Ellie decide.
@Calvelozark Marlene didn't even want to take Ellie when the mom told her to. She does not see Ellie as a daughter that is why I said she does not understand.
Damn good comment, really got to the core of the difference
The music was incredible. Thank goodness they kept it true to the game.
When I first played the game I didnt have kids and I was like "Joel, dude save the world let them get the cure!" But now I have 2 kids and I would totally do the same as Joel (but surely not that bada$$) This hits a lot different when you have kids TBH.
exactly, you'll burn the world down with a smile on your face if it means to save your kids.
I agree with doing the flashback scenes first, there’s a whole season worth of content and character building right there
From another video game franchise, I’m getting so much Jill from Resident Evil 3 remake vibes from your hair and outfit color 😮
15:18 Fun fact about that moment right there. The nurse standing closest to the window. That is Laura Baily. She is one of Ellies/Ashley Johnsons best friends & she actually voiced said nurse in the game.
In case that you are unaware of this. Ellie/Ashley is in real life a pretty introverted & shy person. So in 2009´ish she joined a D&D game to be social & get new friends. This went very well for her. Ellie/Ashley started playing D&D on Twitch in 2015. This became so poular that they asked the audience for 750.000 $ so that they could make an animated episode of it.
They got 11 mio.$ from the fans.
This meant that the show: "The Legend of Vox Machina" was created last year. It has been hugely succesful. Both first & second season. The theird one has been green lit. Just saying this because if you need a new show to react to. I would recommend that.
100 parents were asked if what Joel did was right and 100 parents said yes. To a parent your children are your world. The whole world could burn for all you care as long as your children are safe.
I liked Ellie's demeanor in this episode... almost blank. Thinking about how goofy she acts sometimes around Joel, just to push his buttons... and her now just not being able to get out of her own head with the trauma - I think Bella played it so well
in the first episode when Marlene had Ellie locked up, Ellie said she had been in an orphanage and Marlene said she was the one who put her there.
Not just her knife, but also her jacket! You probably want to re-watch that flashback once you're done with Part 2, as they drew some parallels here that you may recognize.
And if you haven't recognized her voice: Laura Bailey played one of the nurses.
The head injury and his suicide attempt wasn't in the game.
I think a major part of the problem for Joel was that the fireflies didn't give Ella an option - they didn't tell her she wasn't going to live through the surgery...
What an emotional and powerful episode. I was never able to have children, with that being said I would have done the same thing as joel. I just wonder how ellie is going to feel about Joel's actions at the hospital. Will she be mad or will she understand why Joel did what he did. I guess I will just have to wait until next season.
Wait for the other season sure... But you can also play TLOU Part 2 (on PS5 for better experience) and you may have all the the responses. In my opinion Part 2 story is even better and this game is a master piece. I can't wait to see the next season of the show as well ! 😉
Ellie helped heal him enough to open his heart, but his trauma defense is still ever present. That switch to compartmentalized violence for survival at all costs extends to Ellie now. That cold look, almost robotic speech. That defense mechanism will take a lot longer to wind down.
An interesting observation, Ellie lost her mother on her birthday and Joel lost his daughter on his birthday.
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The second game was much longer than the first. I really hope they move and extend some things around from the second game and spread it out through two seasons.
Watching this series was definitely the best adaptation of a video game ever from start to finish. Makes me want to play the first one all over again can't blame Joel for what he did to the Fireflies having Elle around gave him a purpose all over again. Awesome reaction Mary ❤❤👏🏾👍🏾🔥
For Ellie, the cure is in her blood. For her, she's not going to die by doing it. That's why Marlene was wrong by not telling the truth to Ellie.
Not only was Ashley Johnson in this episode but Laura Bailey was as well.
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There was a clever little cameo when you see a young girl with a long ponytail be the only one to escape this massacre due to a soldier surprising Joel when they come around a corner, re-directing Joel’s attention.
Abbey is on the way!!
So thats how Eliie learns the truth huh... 😮
@@MrBreezeLI516 turns out it’s not anyone important to the story, Neil Druckmann (co-creator and writer) said they weren’t lmao
I feel like a little bit of makeup and some fake tattoos is all she needs for season two. She’ll look just fine. She definitely showed she can be brutal enough for it. I’m excited to see the portrayal of how they deal with the consequences of the finale.
Everyone was wrong in the end though. The Fireflies didn’t give Ellie a chance to make her own decision. They didn’t give Ellie and Joel a chance to say goodbye. They could’ve tried studying her a while and seeing if there was a way to do a cure without killing her, or if there were other things they could gain from studying her. Plus, Ellie was only 14. They were willing to Kip her for a “maybe cure.” They were one hundred percent in the wrong. They forced Joel into a situation where he had no choice but to fight. The only thing he did wrong was lie to Ellie about it. If he was just honest with her about the way things went down, I feel like it would’ve made sense to her eventually.
Anyways, excited for season two.
The beginning of this episode was so emotional love the video Mary stay motivated Dream big 1 mill on the way
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The resemblance between Bella Ramsey and Ashley Johnson is uncanny. From the moment Joel met Ellie, it was his destiny that he would protect her, no matter the cost. Not death, not even the human race being possibly saved was going to keep Joel from protecting Ellie.
Strongly disagree. I think she was miscast.
Such a good episode! Even though, it was a bit too short, in my opinion. I would have loved to have had another 10-15 good minutes of their tender moments, just to give us a bit more of their growing love for one another. But I digress. Still exceptionally well done. Lots of great moments. Seeing Ashley Johnson in the beginning playing Ellie's Mom, was such a full circle moment for her. Goes from playing the character, to being the character's Mother. And she killed it! Then that seen with the giraffe. One of the best moments of the game, brought to life in the show. I liked the snippet they showed in Making of The Last of Us, showing Bella & Pedro petting the giraffe in the zoo. That playful exuberance translated to the show. They also captured the moment Joel went full John Wick on the hospital well too, even though I would have loved to have had a bit more intensity to it. Still good though. And that ending. His actions at the hospital done out of his love for her, then doubling down on the lie. Which sets the whole foundation that Part 2 is built off of. Can't wait for next season - even though I know exactly what is to come. Still ready to see this great story continue to unfold in it's own way throughout the show! 👍
I can't believe this season is over. 😢 Such an amazing series
What a season... can't wait for season 2...
Marlene loved Annie, not Ellie. She doesn't really know Ellie, she dumped her in the orphanage as a baby. Regarding Bella's height, they'll probably give them lifts or camera trickery or have Pedro walk in a trench- all things that usually happen.
I must agree.
They wont wait...IMO they'll likely start filming flashbacks as early as this Spring, as the weather would make sense and it'd be a relatively low lift as far as production needs go. Next winter they'll film the opening 1-2 episodes, then I would assume move to a new shooting location near the PNW for the Seattle setting. Season 2 then releases Jan/Feb of 2025 I'd bet.
PNW? 🤔
@@deepermind4884 Pacific Northwest
Just two things...
15:26 it's time "to worry" about Part II and then 15:28 it's "so quick" bu it's "so heavy"
I can't wait to season 2
The voice actress for Abby in part two was one of the nurses at the end.
omg. I didn't recognize great Laura Bailey because of mask. thanks man. She is my favorite.
Kind of make sense. After all, Joel kills Abby's dad at that moment.
Marlene made a difficult decision, but she's also self-righteous. She never offered Ellie a choice either, intentionally not telling her that the procedure would kill her, but criticized Joel for doing the same when he saved her life. I wouldn't say someone who's not a parent doesn't understand because I believe most people would understand the need to protect a child, but being a parent changes perspective. When my daughter was born, I was the one who cut the cord, and I knew the moment I saw her I would kick the gates of Hell off their hinges and walk through the firey streets barefoot to protect her. As a single dad, who's close to Joel's age, who raised his daughter by himself (she'll be 24 in a couple of months), I can empathize with Joel. I'd make the same decision, because if my child life is threatened, it's going to pop the cork, and there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. But it's not really a decision. It's much more primal than that. To Joel or, in my opinion, anyone who's a real father, there's only one option.
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Is it wrong that I would choose humanity over one person? I just feel like I couldn’t live with myself knowing I could have saved millions of people and not do it.
Slow clap into applause.
Great reaction to a great episode! And if you watch the credits, Laura Bailey, Abby´s Voice Actress, IS ONE OF THE NURSES. That´s so cool to make her also a part of the show :D
Loved Bella's Ellie in the show, but there are some parts that were delivered too fast and didn't have the emotion like Ashley Johnson. One major scene is the final back and forth monologue with Joel and Ellie before the season ends. The game's version was so much more emotional. Ashley Johnson gave birth to Ellie metaphorically, but this episode allowed her to give birth to her physically. Really poetic stuff if you think about it. The nurse with the grey sleeves played a nurse in The Last of Us game as well, but she also voiced Abby in TLoU2.
if Marlene didn't handle that whole situation so damn disrespectfully and stupidly it wouldn't have went down like that! all she needed to do was show some class n treat joel n ellie with some dignity..if she sat everyone down, explained the situation and gave ellie the benefit of the doubt to make her own choice!! she would have agreed, n had joel n ellie had some time to get closure, say goodbye ect, everything would have been ALL GOOD! WTF did Marlene expect with that disrespectful undignified shit by springing it on joel, not giving ellie a choice n then have her men escort joel out IN THE MOST DISRESPECTFUL WAY POSSIBLE!! dude!! the way the guy on the left kept shoving joel every other step he took was like..... "I hope joel kills u 1st!".. I mean who treats ppl like that?? even in the apacaplypse, literally no respect, no bedside manor, no dignity she literally had that shit coming with how she handled ALL OF THAT!..it could have just as easily went smoothly, hugs, tears, goodbyes, IF SHE SHOWED SOME CLASS!! at the very least if she had half a brain cell, if she lied to joel n told him ellie agreed to do it but she didn't kno how to say goodbye, n made some shit up! that alone would have made joel stand down n just except it because he would have thought its what ellie wanted, bur marlenes dumbass tells joel "naw we drugged her b4 she even knew what was happening" lol WTF!!!!! just WHAT....A...FUCKING....IDIOT!!!!.. the disrespectful way she sprung the news on joel wouldn't have mattered if he thought it's what ellie wanted!! just....wow!! Marlene is fucking wiggity WACK!!
Ciscoak 907, I agree she just kept having dig after dig to Joel, and he was actually being resepectful for once, but as she went further he got mad and fired back and of course she got offended like how dare you stand up for yourself !
Wiggity wack indeed! 😄👍🏻
Honestly one of my favorite parts of this episode were the things not in the game. Ellie giving birth to Ellie, finding out how close Anna and Marlene were, Joel explaining to Ellie just how much she means to him directly. Things like that
(P.S. we did know Ellie's mom's name is Anna from a note she left her and the recordings we find of Marlene talking to her in the hospital while Joel is on his murder spree. The father is unknown.. although maybe a Firefly as well)
I’ve never played the game but I wish they should have filmed what happened after or the conversation after episode 8 and David and her Ellie recounting it to Joel….thoughts???
I don't think that even ever happened. Ellie was never the same from that moment onward and I think Joel understood that much. Remember his "oh they have way more in mind than that" in episode 4.
agreeing w the other commentor, they didnt have the conversation. at least its not shown in the game either and we can assume that ellie didnt want to talk about it and/or they never (wanted) to bring it up. its fitting to their characters to just leave things unsaid and esp knowing how traumatizing it was for ellie
They didn’t do that for a reason
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The argument that both Marlene & Joel denied Ellie a choice doesn't really work for me. Because Marlene did that deliberately, whereas Joel kind of did that as an indirect result of saving her from being murdered. They're not the same thing - one was conscious decision, one was a consequence.
Joel was running on pure father-protection mode from the moment Marlene informed him she was about to murder Ellie to the point where he drives away afterwards. During the car journey is when Joel probably first realises what he's actually done in terms of Ellie's desires to help find a cure - it's probably also the first moment he even begins to properly think about what Marlene said about Ellie 'wanting to do the right thing'.
But of course it's all too late by that point, so he decides to try and shield Ellie from the truth and help her make a fresh start in life at Jackson. Basically, this chain of events was set in stone. It was always going to happen this way once Marlene decided to murder Ellie.
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14:23 Joel Wick，I Do agree with you😂
Talk about a morally ambiguous ending.
On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter.
But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a….selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's all based on a lie.
Would a vaccine save the world? How many would get it? Who would even take it? You still have only 17%of Americans who are boosted against covi, with 250 a day still dying from it-95% non vaxxed. In TLOU world, the right is even more extreme-like David’s cult. No chance they would trust a Firefly vaccine…
Think TLOU deserves a lot of awards when they come around... For many scenes..and themes.... And actors and actresses.. individually and collectively..even awards for SFX ...like the plane crash... But if any scene deserves accolade..it's Joel wick in the hospital ... The score . The way it's shot.... The message even... it's one of my all time fav scenes. It was stunningly beautiful...yet ... Brutal and harrowing without being in your face graphic .it really was 2 mins of true cinematography excellence
4:33 the best part about this casting, IMHO, anyway, is that Ashly Johnson and Bella Ramsey look a little related!
Elllie = Blade
The Doctor had no idea what to do. He was going to kill Ellie and then figure it out. I am with Joel on this one. Also: the nurse in the fore front is Laura Bailey who voices Abby in the second game.
Yeah, it’s a crazy, reckless plan that reeks of the doctor’s incompetence.
Yup and they just had a theory that it could work. They never were sure that it will work. So the doctor could have killed Ellie and chances are they wouldn't come up with a cure
Is that in the game, that the doctor didn't know what to do?
@@deepermind4884 There’s no world where a doctor would be sure his “cure” would work less than an hour after he meets Ellie. It’s insanely reckless to cut open her brain without testing. It should probably take months or years to release that point, as there’s no going back once you kill her. And if you’re wrong, you’ve thrown out your only hint at a cure.
l wasn't shocked because l knew what would happen. Watching people's reactions is like watching then rereact to the episodes. lt's a shame we've all been spoiled 😁
You are so lucky to have been able to play the game. I wish it was on PC.
It will be available on steam from 28 March 2023.
@@chl8302 both part 1 and part 2 ?
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Great reaction Mary I noticed your preperation of the tissues was warranted in this one. I thought this episode was amazing. I have not played the game and see how this story was so powerful emotionally and why it was a sucessful franchise. The dilemma of love vs the greater good and deciding that love overpowers logic. I have a query though if anyone knows. Did Ellie volunteer to have the surgery or was it forced?
Marlene said they didn’t tell her in her first scene with Joel. They did not reveal what the actual result of their “tests” would be. Which is line with the first game. They didn’t give her an informed choice either.
That being said, I have not played the second game and don’t know if they say that she was informed in a flashback or something sometime later, or if they will change it for the tv series. 🤷 just working off of my info from the 1st game and season.
If anybody else knows more, I’d love to hear as well (:
@@banf7425 Thank you for the insight!
If you played the game you know how this is going down 😊
fun fact: one of the female surgeons is Laura Bailey, the voice actress for Abby
Who is Abby?? 👀
@@MrBreezeLI516 it's a character in the 2nd game. Mary already played through it
Hurray! They had the giraffes! I was worried about RL logistical stuff making it too much trouble! Yay!
My favorite episode 5,6
Did the infection travel into the umbilical cord long enough to cause a micro infection ? Anna lied to Marlene about cutting the cord before the bite to give baby Ella a chance
The doctor was probably the only one who could perform the surgery so if he's dead they can't do the surgery.
Hi Mary ❤ I really loved your reaction to the final of the last of us I hope it's as sequel in future cause I want to show to keep going after Joel i swear to Ellie !!!
I think they did that to show how badass and brutal Joel can just to protect Ellie just like the last episode when he killed all of the fireflies
What Joel did was wrong, there is no way to justify it and yet it is what many parents would do for their children. Love works in strange and twisted ways because sometimes we mix it with our innate selfishness. We have all lied out of love, but do we do it more for ourselves or for the object of our affection? What a difficult question.
Ashley Johnson officialy motion capture & Voice Elile In Game This episode role name anna Ellie's mother
Great reactions.
In an ideal world Ellie didn't need to have the weight of the world on her. In the Ideal world Ellie is just a little girl and she's not asked to save the world because she doesn't deserve to have that responsibility on her.
You're right. Joel knew Ellie wanted to give-up her life. But that's why he told her about his attempt on his own life, and how he was sure and ready to do it. Ellie was not doing well right now with her survivor's guilt and recent trauma, and that decision should not be made in this state. Joel only wanted to give her the same chance he got when the bullet missed.
I think Ellie has hero complex because what the fireflies told her.
Yes Ellie would probably have gone through with the surgery...But she was not given the choice to do so. Marlene says "we didn't tell her we didnt cause any fear"... and not letting him say good bye lol BIG NO NO ..lol
You can feel a real emptiness from Bella's performance.
The only thing that I have to say " I need the Second Season right Now 😬😬😬Please 😫☹️
He'd never let the surgery happen because not only was she basically torn from him but she wasn't given a choice, if you're going to kill someone who offers themselves up for the cause, you let them know (unless they're really young) and this is Ellie we're talking about, of course she could handle it and she would have done it and given how Joel feels about her, it was a joke to expect him to just be ok with everything that happened and go quietly. He definitely saw sense in what Marlene was saying and I think he himself believed that Ellie would choose to die but he couldn't risk Ellie making that choice afterwards if she was given one so after everything, he knew by then that Marlene had to die too.
Episodes 5 and 8 were my favourites, although I loved parts of every episode for all of the Joel and Ellie moments. I didn't like episodes 3 and 7 (except for the obvious moments), I personally don't ever seem to connect with the "Up" style relationships and I didn't really like the Riley ep, other than for the knowledge it gave us, perhaps because we weren't given much to know about Riley, there's not enough back story for me to connect, again, like episode 3 and given that that these two episodes were almost all about these pairs, I didn't like them much. Eps 1 and 2 were great with the history, his daughter and Tess being in the mix and all of the infected action and 4 (while slower) was really good for the start of Joel and Ellie's relationship.
correction: the final episode of season 1 of The Last of Us
The curse of Dr Jerry Anderson. ahhhhhhhhh.. I'm scared . :(
thats what i was thinking mimic the born of ellie see if it works lol
Thanks Mary! I've seen so many reactors who backed Joel's actions to the end without realizing one of the subtle messages from the story is knowing when someone has crossed the line. Though if he actually loved Ellie he would have respected what she wanted. Love isn't about possession or control, at least it shouldn't be.
But then again the fireflies also handled it very poorly they didn’t even give a consent to Ellie they just assumed that she was gonna say yes and they didn’t even have the audacity to let Joel say his final goodbyes to Ellie if she did say yes
I would never villainise Joel despite what he did. There was no guarantee that Ellie's brain would actually help make a cure. Plus he wpuld lose another daughter in the process. Kinda shows that Fedra and Fireflies are two sides of the same coin when it comes to extremism.
Great episode. And in terms of Ellie wanting to save the world, yes, she did want to... but also, that was with her understanding that they were gonna do some tests and she was gonna get to leave and live with Joel afterwards. So with yhe understanding that that was NOT gonna be an option, it's very possible that she would have declined. But NOBODY gave her that choice... and that is the tragic part in all of this and the events of the finale...
Joel's suicide attempt was not in the game
Honestly if they do find a cure, i dont think the world would be saved.
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Fun fact though there's an article where HBO Max is going to release a bonus episode.
Read that article again bud
@@CleansHaven I did, I read it twice, it says that HBO Max is releasing a bonus episode
@@hunterivey ok. It's just behind the scenes - not really an episode of this show but hey rock out Hunter
@@CleansHaven look up The Last of US bonus episode, wish I can post the link on here, unfortunately TH-cam will just take it down
@@hunterivey it's not an episode of the actual show. Sorry to tell you. It's just bonus content.
Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2).
Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
season 2 won’t be nothing like the second game cause HBO won’t kill Joel off the series …
@@aguycalledkwest Yeah they will. Last of Us II isn’t a thing without that moment
Nobody was happy when they killed Joel so maybe if they go a different direction and keep him alive than people will probably be more happy about season 2, though we still gotta have Ellie and Dina happen and have them continue the journey
@@aguycalledkwest ure wrong it will literally be just like the game, but the show will take more time in the in between part (the 4 year part we dont see). and tlou 2 will be spread out over at least 2 or more show seasons. this is all confirmed by neil druckman
There isn't a scene within the game where Joel talks about trying to end his life. It's an interesting addition though.