Sexuality and Gender Identity Ft Chris Muriithi - Ep 91
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 เม.ย. 2023
- We'll be the first to admit that we don't always have the answers to everything, but we want to learn, so we had Chris Muriithi ( They/Them) over to talk about a conversation that is as important to us as it should be to you.
Sit with us as we explore the nuances of sexuality and gender identity and what it means to us as individuals, friends, sisters, mothers, and members of society because, at the end of the day, all we want to do is lead with love❤️
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Very informative conversation. The part that stood out for me was Chris highlighting how people who are part of the LGBTQ+ community are denied medical care, fired from jobs, etc. Whenever any conversation is had on this topic, people are usually focused on romantic relationships. Nobody talks about how LGBTQ+ people are being denied basic things that other people have access to. If there is a follow-up, it would be good to have a legal expert discuss the real-life implications of laws like the ones now in Uganda. Some of the penalties in that law include life imprisonment or a death sentence. For example, if these laws are being enacted in African countries, in enforcing them, does this give the government license to spy on the private lives of citizens? In Kenya, where the law criminalises being gay/queer, when someone is denied medical care or fired from their job or harassed what are the real life impacts of these acts on them and their family? If the law criminalises who you are as a person, how do you fight back when some basic rights that other citizens have are taken away?
I just want to also add a perspective about gender neutral pronouns. They are not that strange or unfamiliar to us. In fact, if you speak Swahili or literally any other Bantu language, you use gender neutral pronouns everyday to refer to people in third person. Just think about it. We don't have he/him or she/her in Swahili, everyone is referred to us as they/them. This is the case for many African languages too.
The reason it feels so weird in English is because it is a much more gendered language. Many European languages are really gender focused (think of the french who gender even inanimate objects). And because many of speak English regularly and think in English when we do so, we struggle with gender neutral pronouns when speaking in English.
Additionally, language shapes how we think. Our colonizers actually the ones who brought the idea of thinking about gender as a fixed binary, and their language (English) reinforces that in the way it requires you refer to people or even describe people. So just remember that next you get frustrated with having to use gender neutral pronouns: you've already been doing it just not in English.
Wow, this is so eye opening. Literally have never thought of it this way..
Never thought of it that way but it is so true
Somebody pin this reply..... immediately
It's not our colonisers who brought gender,it's God.He made male and female..only.
From the very beginning of time, humans have existed in either males or females. It has never confused anybody. The colonisers that you quote also existed in male or female categories. The word gender was coined by a guy called John Money in the 1960's. The word gender did not exist before then. Scientists who conducted followed up on on research conducted by John Money differed with him and found his conclusions tk be wrong. The concept of nonbinary does not exist. There are only 2 categories of sex, male and female.
This is such a timely and enlightening conversation. I'm from Uganda and our Parliament just tabled a harsh bill that threatens the livelihoods of gay people. Here there's even no community. Just a marginalized population that lives in constant fear. It's just sad that anyone would think that someone in their right mind would CHOOSE to be hated. I wish we could just choose to love each other as human beings. How different the world would be if we denounced Hate and Chose Love!
P.S - The bill also punishes allies so just by writing this puts me at risk. But as Lydia said - To be silent is to take a stand too. P
Free will is the most precious gift we have as humans in this planet. Whatever choices people make about their lives , I want to know did they choose from a well informed place ,or did they naturally gravitate towards that direction. Bottom line they made the choice freely and anyone else involved in the choice are they aware and consenting. Also how is anyone's choice affecting other human beings. Don't hate because you do not understand.
Live and let live.
So true👏🏽
Wow....what a respectful conversation!!! I honestly didn't know what to expect. No awkward vibes, just curious people wanting to understand that side of life without any biases or judgement
I like how Christ is being true and authentic...I know how it's hard for someone here outside to come out because of the harsh environment!! I really enjoyed the convo and I would like to have more of these convo to let people feel free with who the are 🎉
I love that this conversation was non controversial and most importantly non confrontational.I have always NOT listened to such conversations because they are often shouting matches!I feel like I have understood a lot about the queer community in just one sitting.
When Chris explained sex and gender identity now I got it ....never have I ever understood the whole conversation about Lg.....I love the clarity in this Convo ❤
She barely touched the subject from a factual point. Based on her argument, sex is fluid courtesy of the gender ideology. Do you own research on sex and the origin of the word gender before you buy the dillusion being served in this conversation.
Gender dysphoria is one of the hardest things someone can go through but with proper help it is possible to overcome and accept who you are. Everyone knows someone who they grew up with who was either a girl that liked playing with boys or a boy that liked playing with girls, they related well with the opposite gender but still knew what sex they were. This whole gender identity issues is something that has been made up to destroy the foundations of life itself, you cannot decide what sex or gender you are, feelings and perceptions cannot be the basis for gender, you are either a male or female. Once we start making gender unlimited then we run the risk of creating a society that doesn't stand for anything. The whole LGBTQ+ in my opinion is completely hogwash, a movement that seeks to destroy the family unit, what stops me from coming up and saying that since I was born I have always found myself sexually attracted to animals and so my gender is Animalistic and I should be allowed to marry a cow or goat and my feelings should be respected and I should not be hated. It sounds insane but that's exactly what this activists are pushing for, a society where your feelings become law and your sexual orientation is based on personal opinions rather than scientific facts.
Lydia's eyeshadow on point you have married the entire look together.
Thank you ♥️
It's what I actually 1st noticed! It's so dope!!100%
Fantastic conversation! I learned a lot and love that Chris spoke about hyper sexualization of the queer community. As a Ugandan, I have noticed that many Ugandans immediately think about men having anal sex when they hear anything about LGBTQ+. Some have even started associating it with child sexual abuse. I think this makes homophobia worse because our countries are already conservative, even with heterosexual sex. I’m not sure how to reverse the homophobia in Uganda because it’s pretty bad but I think conversations that are not all sexual would help. Just like this conversation. Thank you all!
Chris is one of the most authentic humans I have seen. Lydia and Murugi you are great interviewers. No bias. No leading questions. This a genuine conversation. So refreshing to watch. I hope this helps with eradicating the ignorance around this topic.
I agree that all Queer people should be treated fairly and equally, particularly under the law. Also, I am against hate towards the Queer community. However, I think that there should be room and acceptance for people who want to express their religious/spiritual beliefs. For instance, when I say “homosexuality is a sin” because that is what I believe as a Christian, then I should not be shamed or cancelled or bullied. As Chris said, let’s all learn to peacefully coexist
love how this babes are open-minded ❤
I'm sorry,I come in peace. My prayer is may we all see everything through God's lenses so that we will not call evil good and good evil. God loves you and so do I.
That is fair if you are religious. Not everyone is religious though and most queer people will tell you that their harshest critics and bullies are the religious. Just live and let live. We can all co-exist, but nobody needs to impose their beliefs on the other. We don't even need to agree..just be civil and respectful to each other.
@@betty541 what you're saying will be so questioned here in the USA. I'm amazed because hapa LGBTQ are members of the church...in your view trying to tell her it's coz she's religious, assumes LGBTQ can't be religious? But can they? Do they in parts of the world outside Kenya and can they be?...I hope you can see how we can quickly be based while calling out others.
From what I can gather off your reply, you are in the USA. I've been abroad too..but for some reason the west, to an extent, seems more tolerant to the queer people. In Kenya, if you go to a church and announce you are queer, they will either try to 'deliver' you of your demons, or just outright kick you out. Churches here even condemn and ostracise single mothers..wacha hata lgbtq+. I get that there are queer people who are religious but believe me..they are NOT welcome in any church here unless they declare they want to change. So, I will stand by my initial statement: the religious are the biggest bullies and critics of the gay people here in Kenya. They treat them like garbage and they say that they will rot in hell, all the while preaching 'love'.
@@salomekamau5380 I actually think religious people force queer people out just coz they are uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with God.
@@shiqskiarie7647 Yes..i agree. It's that whole controlling the masses through fear thing. Also, the religious tend to pick and choose what sin to condemn...yet as far as I can tell from the Bible at least, all sins are equal. Someone said that there is no hate like christian love and I see exactly what they mean. The hypocrisy is just mind-boggling to me.
I believe we need some sort of rules in life. That’s why we have a constitution otherwise we’d be in anarchy. Religion and society as a whole can act as that constitution and just bcoz we disagree with some of the things doesn’t mean now we need a whole new system of never ending changes. I however don’t support hate or discrimination against people who just wanna live their life. I’m not an ally neither am I am an enemy. I appreciate people like Chris who come with educative mindset and not aggression coz all I’ve gotten out of this episode is respect their ways of life and not “ you must change everything you know about life bcoz it’s wrong and we’re right” attitude that I feel the rest of the community may portray.
Kwanza christians wueh and being judgemental ... we should all be open minded
This was a conversation and a half. Those things considered as taboo jus bcoz we know nothing about it. Considered as wale watu. Until it happens to you, to your sister, to your friend, to your kid. This needs to be talked about. Very very informative. I loved every bit of it. I love Chris so much. ❤️❤️❤️
Wow!!!!
This is informative 👏 👌
I'm honestly learning and appreciating everyone's decisions/choices of pronoun use.
This is it!!!!!!
I love the point on not sexualising the community and the bottom line is that we are all human. I feel the community really needs to work on that. It's good enough to let children know families comes in more ways now but we do not need kids exposed to oversexualised performances in the name of 'educating' the children about the community. Sex education is important when done constructively.
Interesting conversation. It would have been great to discuss the erasure of women as a consequence of elements of the trans movement. Shouldn’t trans be trans (like previous generations) not insist they are women, to the detriment of women (their safety, their achievements)?
This is a very big problem currently. It's like the trans women want to erase the biological women completely. Insisting on taking part in women sports knowing very well a male body has great advantage over the female body, also ascribing certain terms to women like 'pregnant people' or 'chest feeders'. They want us to stop calling ourselves women. Then there's the whole Dylan Mulvaney fiasco.
Listen EVERYDAY WE LEAAAARN … this was a great and informative episode looove to hear and learn 😊😊😊
I loved how both Lyd and Murugi were walking on eggshells because it gave all of us a space to learn. I also appreciate that Chris was open to school us as they did because there is a lot of stuff they said that needed to be said.
Also, the hypersexualization around the community is bordering harassment imo. I cant imagine having to sit through in almost every conversation defending or discussing my sexuality... too much
Definitely championing for a part 2...definitely an ally❤
Lol how pathetic..this conversations have no place in our society let alone in this world such rubbish
This was long overdue. I loved every part of this!! Chris is such an eloquent speaker. Thanks guys
This is the best interview i have ever heard in Kenya as far as LGBTQQIA+(lesbians,gays,bisexual,transgender,questionning,queer,intersex,asexual and + or non defined) is concerned.It is full of information.I like how the TMI are open minded.I also like how Chris Njeri brings in what seems hard to understand so easy.The LGBTQQIA+ are not a threat to the society. They/them are normal and natural people who are trying to co-exist.Lots of love to TMI,Chris and the LGBTQQIA+ in general.
Chris is very knowledgeable and a fluent speaker....makes me feel I understand LGBTQ Community better. Thank you Chris and you need to do more such interviews to open up some of our minds on understanding what we don't about this Community.
To the hosts of this show, thank you for getting this involved because majority choose to keep this topic off their charts...staying on the safe side it's called. 😊
Hey TMI,,, I've just subscribed to your channel because you're open to any form of conversation without hate. Looking forward to these types of convos
Wueh! It's definitely TMIIII🎶. The conversations today🔥🔥 very informative👏🏾, at least got some bit of clarity. #WCW❤️
Such an amazing and edifying conversation. Super grateful for you guys for facilitating this. Truly we need to sprinkle lots of kindness to each other 😊❤🙏🏾
Are we going to pretend we didn't see the bombastic side eye at 19.40ish when Chris said they are an inbetweener!!
I feel schooled man! And the fact that this was done none judgementally. And in a fun way, by a loving duo is just the it for me!! And for Chris deciding to grace us with knowledge and allow us into their space is just lovely!!
I love love being a queen betweener.
Her|Sue|she. 💕 "Asushi"
I had to replay that part😅
Thank you for your kind words
Have been waiting for this ep 🎉🎉
Y’all really said ALLY today and I love it 😭
As a queer person, these are the conversations I don’t mind having with cis-het people bc you’re intentions are pure. I’m more than happy to explain things to people who are willing to learn bc I know we’re not taught about any of this. I hope more cis-het people can have respectful conversations like this.
Does this mean that anyone with different views is not respectful?
@@Okanto15 not when your “different views” are bigoted. People have a right to disengage with you if they feel like your views are dehumanizing to them.
@Flower Akaliza first of all, there is no such right. That is just someone not willing to engage in a meaningful conversation.
Secondly, we could use an example: if I say that there are only two categories of sex, males and females. Is this science, bigotry or dehumanising? Explain your answer.
@@flowerpower250 Exactly...Or hateful, discriminatory, disrespectful and outright condescending. Those who are willing to be empathetic enough to learn can be engaged with. Otherwise it's an exercise in futility. We can all co-exist on this large earth, but we do not all have to agree or even like each other. To each his/her own..live and let live is my philosophy.
@@Okanto15 I can tell you asked that question in bad faith so I won't answer it. Even if I explained things througly, your inability to think critically and overcome your confirmation bias wouldn't allow you to understand anything I say. Engaging with you is futile because all you're looking for is an opportunity to share your unorignal bigoted ideas. This can't be a meaningful conversation because there is nothing new you are adding to the conversation. Everything you have said and will say are well known homophobic and transphobic talking points.
So tell me, would you participate in conversation with someone like that? Knowing that you are adding perspective and dimension to the conversation and all they have to offer is bigoted talking points they swallowed and are now regurgitating?? I don't think you would.
You are not entitled to a conversation. You are not entitled to the intellectual labor of queer people. I don't have to say anything other than that to you. Kindly ch*ke on that if you'd like ☺
I'm loving it before it goes down!!😍
I HAVE IMPATIENTLY BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE 🌬️
Felt Represented. Awesome talk👏
Thank you!
A much needed conversation.....beautifully spoken ...amazing episode as usual
Thank you!
Exciteddddd 😍😍😍😍
This is really the only channel that handles this conversation without their personal bias....I'm just wowed!
Would they be willing to host anyone with different views and not call it hate?
I am always in love with the fact that this is a NON JUDGEMENTAL space
It really is❤️
I loved this.Genuine and educative.Thanks guys❤
Been following different episodes about this conversation(sexuality and Gender identity)and this so far wins👏
I love how Makena Enlightened us 🤍
Good Job Joey and Lyd 😊❤️👏
Thank you so much!
Its Chris not Makena😊
Not me forgetting the name immediately 😂😭
apologies
Noooo way😂😂I’m the first one here
Best thing I've watched this year, I have learnt a loooot from this.👏🥰🏳️🌈
This has been insightful. Chris is such a good educator. We need to have another episode on the same.
She's a good educator on lgbtiq+ issues. This is different from facts and science.
And you two are really open minded doing this ... we love you
Murugi asking all the right questions
❤❤
She really is! I love her questions!
Love, love, love and light. Quite educative podcast❤
loved this episode ladies.definitely educative.Chris continue living your truth and life with no apologies.let's spread unconditional love and acceptance to everyone regardless of their gender identity,sexual orientation,race or ethnicity
Thank you for your kind words ❤️
Hey sisters! Loving the episode, you forgot to add the links to the description.
Great conversation, answered so many questions in my head. We have to respect and appreciate our differences. This is Sexual Renaissance. Rebirth of celebrating sexual identity.
If you start identifying as a cat today, should I respect that difference? I hold the opinion that we should respect and appreciate the truth instead.
Coz love is love is love is love❣️all Any Human being wants at the core is to be loved and accepted.
I love this conversation, definitely needs a part 2
This was thoughtful, informative and inclusive.. The importance of having an open mind and willingness to learn cannot be overstated, and I’m so glad this conversation happened!
In the western world there are two very eloquent voices for and against lgbtq. I think a balanced discussion would be needed to give the audience varying informed point of views on this issue of sexuality and gender.
Finally the episode we have been waiting for
We hope you enjoyed it!
I live for conversations like this.
Thank you ❤️
I loved the conversation. Lydia wow i just love your accent
Lydia's dress so pretty
When we stand to speak against sexism we must also speak up against homophobia. Discrimination should be fought on both fronts! Great episode!
Exactly!👏🏽
First of all, homophobia implies a type of phobia which refers to fear. No one fears homosexuals. As a matter of fact, alot of Kenyans know their science and facts. They know that there are only 2 categories of sex, male and female. They also recognise that no amount of feelings can ever change your sex. So is this science or 'homophobia'?
@@Okanto15 the word homophobia has two meanings the first one you said fear. However in most cases it implies hate or prejudice
Then the issue of sex and gender as proven by research is that it's a spectrum it's not binary
@@Okanto15 intersex
For your information, intersex form only 0.018% of the human population. Yet still, majority of them fall either under male or female based on their chromosomal make up despite the general deformity. Example: the fact that a child can be born with 6 fingers in one hand does not negate the fact that human beings have 5 fingers per hand. Its just an abnormality. So the fact that someone is born with 2 genitals does not mean that human beings are not males and females only. It's just an abnormality, not a different sex.
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This was a very insightful conversation. Love the perspective Chris has given on this
Thank you for watching!
Chris❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. It's the poise ,composure and intelligence.
I am attracted to Chris’ brains. Too much self awareness 🙌
We honestly do deserve a part two .Loved this episode loads😍🥰
For a wholesome and balanced conversation, it would great if they have a panel with different views. Otherwise this platform comes across as a platform to further a particular agendum.
Beautiful interview, very informative..thank you for taking the time to put this out ❤️🏳️🌈
brought here by Lydia's conversation on Lynn Ngugi Show, this is beautiful conversation. It is well explained.Thanks for holding the interview
Been waiting for this 😍
It’s finally here!
Lolol I can see how it’s definitely a lot of pressure for Chris to be the lgbtqia+ spokesperson in Kenya. It’s great to see this conversation happening!!! Wish it was longer. I will say one slight clarification gender identity typically doesn’t really have to do with your attraction. It’s more of how you identify and whether that aligns with your biological sex. Sexual orientation has more to do with attraction.
We have been dying for this conversation.FINALLY!!! Also Chris is a such a schnaaaaaack 🤤🥵
She has explained it so calmly but maybe part 2 can include a behavioural psychologist to try expound if her choice was influenced by her childhood trauma.
I could be wrong but I think Chris said they knew they were queer from a young age and that it is not a choice..that queer people are born as such. I have also not heard them talk of any trauma in their (younger) life.
this idea that queer people choose and that it’s based on trauma is homophobic
@@betty541she did an interview about that ... she has a trauma .... just check her interview with grace msalame
This is such a brilliant interview.....bring Chris again❤
❤❤ Chris I really love your English and knowledge thanks for making us be strong
Very insightful conversation definitely. It's awesome that the conversation was well balanced kudos to TMI this time around the guest was given enough time to speak you didn't seem to over shadow them😊
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I respectfully disagree. Good conversation though. Y'all looking so beautiful today.
Me too😭uwii.I'm watching but I'm scared I'm about triggered. N I respectfully disagree with them.
I respectfully disagree too. Thank God I wasn't triggered. Insightful conversation though.
With all the love in the word I equally disagree
It’s okay. We commend your approach to this❤️
Nice conversation but I respectful desagree , looking beautiful today
❤ I have become an addict of tmi podcast
same whatsapp group😂
Wednesdays are my best💚
Completely loved this episode!!
First one here. This will be a riveting conversation I am sure 🫰🏾🫰🏾
I think I had a different perception before this episode but Chris has really changed my judgment 🙏 Kudos
These are conversations we need to keep having because they help us learn and understand so much ❤
So true
About teaching our children to eat vagina
Here we are with the gorgeous 🥰 ladies
This one is 🔥 🔥
This was such an eyeopener
It's how Lydia and Murugi smiled after Chris said they are an inbetweener for me😍 Lovely conversation!
A def eye opener, I have asked myself questions about my id as you talked on, more so it reminds me about struggles women go through everyday because of patriarchy,so relatable, keep the good job @ TMI podcast❤❤
its definitely TMIiiiiiiiiii
Alot to learn here , Chris is such a great EDUCATOR, grace and Empathy.💞💞💞
OMG ...am so thrilled 😍
We hope you enjoyed the episode!
Phew, I feel checked. Great conversation and eye opener.
Wow loved this episode very informative
loving this conversation so much...let people be who they are 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
😊 thank you
Their skin is glowing
i think i have been an ally who has always wanted to stand up and support the community but i did not know how, but listening to this conversation it has fed me and given me the right gears on how to do that
Love you Chris, great job
Yoooooh! I love it here. Conversations are 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Where would we be without TMI? Let's be honest. I am further educated today. Chris was the best person to handle this topic for sure.
Awesome conversation 👌 I feel educated
I see myself in Lydia she's everything i wanna be in life❤
Awww, thank you 😊
Absolutely loved every minute of this conversation. And especially the comparison between womens rights and the challenges of the LGBTQIA + community. It certainly gives African women more understanding and empathy. However, what about African men? Especially the African men who sit at the top of the African patriarchy. Men in the west might understand racism and therefore have some empathy. But im always wondering about what point of reference African men can have so that they arrive at more empathy for the queer community. Thoughts?
Good conversation. Chris is super impressive with her intelligence and eloquence! Loved listening.
It woulda been so nice for Chris to be let to answer some questions more fully without the interruptions/cut offs..like when you asked about the pronouns ( around minute 18) the full response from THEM would have been so beneficial....
I really love the point on hyper sexualization of queers!! I always wonder why that is what a lot of the community members start with!! In the same way, I don't start my conversations with "I sleep with a man," that shouldn't be what the queer peeps open their conversations with!!
I, however, draw the line at propagating these conversations to our kids in schools. Age appropriate-ness of the conversations maaaahn!
In the same breath of respecting and understanding their space and opinions, I hope that as part of this TMI podcast community, we can be allowed to respectfully disagree, and that can be understood too.
Walisema usiwache paragraph nothing serious,just drop a banana comment
Oh my goodness
This is so informative 👏
I can't stop laughing when murugi mentioned about normal people identifying as disabled persons or as animals.
That's lowkey dark humor
As funny as it sounds, that is happening. Courtesy of transgenderism, some children are beginning to identify as cats in school and they can't speak and the teacher is not supposed to do anything about it because it will be considered as against the child's "human rights". The whole idea that gender is a social construct and a spectrum in based on John Money's research in the 1960's. Before this the term gender did not even exist. The issue with this is that that child who identifies as a cat is not a cat. That person who identifies as disabled is not disabled. So why expect other people to refer to that child as a cat when it is not true?? This is just common sense, no hate as at all.
Very important conversation and long overdue for sure. " It is next to impossible to think that you can wipe out a generation of queer folks"