I never liked Max. But even though I am not a fan, I would be delusional if I couldn't admit that he currently destroys the competition by sheer racing craft. I bet that paired with any driver in any car, he would dominate every team mate currently available. He's just that good.
You make solid videos, but You are off the mark, if you think that. Max is just smart. How can he be so accepted by all, if he wasn´t. They all give in to what he says, even when he did display immaturity. You just cannot run the same lane as someone smarter, and keep up. Surely you see that IRL, and it was the same when Schumacher was truly a bro with Mika, and Mika knew, Michael was a bit better. There is the second most talented guy being LeClerc, and he cannot hang with Max. How good are they, when you see Max winning Iracing and Rfactor2 races against profesionals, emulating what he does IRL, and driving within margins that the other drivers, including Norris, just laugh at in a way "he just does that, anyway, we try to hang, I´m doing good, and it is what it is". Nobody except for Schumacher and Clark was naturally as good as Verstappen. Now, I believe in everyone, but there is the issue of limited time, trying to do things "better than expected", having dreams and breaking stigma, and hubris, being inspired, and having the means and time to do things. To cut through that, you need to do the right things, and for that, you need intelligence, and Max is the smartest on the grid, and the most talented of his generation among those who made it into F1. @@mregbef1 Even when you are gifted, and given things, you are the one at the helm of breaking through hubris for everybody. Sometimes, some exceptionally charged regulars can do what others would not believe they could, like Senna. He was among the twitchiest, least gifted drivers Ever, but as far as his person, he has overcome and stared death in the face more, and his interests were in line with that. He has thrown his weights off the most, but that doesn´t mean he was some godly talented driver, even when he was winning. making others think you are almost ready to kill them, so they back off, isn´t about being better. Nobody has driven the miles he did, and for all the others, it was a rich guy venture, and they were privilieged more than him, for them it was their "familial thing", where they could not understand his drive to near kill himselfm and them aswell. He just could not explain, or be talked to, that would dull him. He did "expose", how they didn´t go and try hard enough, as he has shown he could match and beat them, but he always carried extra risk, and twitch, that went beyond being precise, he was more on the edge, but as far as having nuance, he was among the worst, and only failed drivers and Tsunoda can match him. Max has similiarly simple lifestyle, but atleast people do not suffer around him nearly as much. Senna has made it clear, he will go as hard as can, and crash anyone who is willing to try and match him. He has barged his way into F1. When he didn´t have a great car, he was nowhere to be seen. He was great. I can recognise he was different. But the car could have been driven better than what he had shown- the sport just wasn´t that sophisticated. When People look "UP" at F1, they understandably put practice and menacing aura on the same level of influence, as being talented, and in control, and do not see how perfectly setup his car was, or how he rode the line so bad, that other, mnore talented, even though as far "as proving they are better", more hubris full drivers, would see he was driving like a mad man. There are reasons, why his own reasoning and habits were always receding, and why he had to grind as he did. Mansell was about the best driver, but he has never tried to make it work like him, Senna demanded ideas from engineers, and made them do endless mental passes as far as setup. To Senna, it was do or die, and he made his team do it. I am not saying he was a psycho, but he was deeply compartmentalized, and possesed with winning, and was always a dangerous driver. To the outside, "it looks spectacular", but still, there were reasons for the dissent, and people doubting his "motives", even then. You know, the differences between dudes chatting on the net and the drivers are as small as between any fans and celebs. It is what it is. Some still made it work, like Dwayne Johnson, or the majority of sports stars, who have common mental capabilities. When Max doesn´t hold other´s hands, he dissappears, and others try to emulate him. When he does something they, or even most deem "dangerous", there is more complacency of their own, and the public, than personal inability/ bad priorites and opportunism from him. When they try to attack his approach, or berate him, they eventually are left speechless, yet not angry. He just shows there is more to it. It is the same as trying to one up "the asshole nerd" at school, only to realize they do all you do, and more, and you are just fighting mirages.
@@mregbef1 yea man I respect Lewis he’s one of if not the best to ever do it and that’s coming from a long time Red Bull fan but that cult is so insane and annoying
It depends. In fairness to his teammates it needs to be noted that the car is basically developed exclusively for his driving style. It's an extremely impressive style, but in a car less suited for it he would not beat everyone. If for example the car would be favored towards the late breaking style drivers like Ricciardo or Perez it would be a lot closer. It's funny how these things sort of come and go in cycles. Schumi was probably a similar driver to Max, using small break inputs to position his car in the corners, it's a shame that his accident robbed us from seeing what he could achieve.
@@Argosh Please watch Albon's response to "the car is built for his style". It's categorically incorrect. The car is built to go as fast as possible, which means it can be a bit unstable. It's just Max can tame it much better than most drivers.
@@DanishSatkut except he didn't really say that. Sure, he started with that, only to then continue to describe in extreme detail how and why that car is built purely around Max' style. I'm a fan of his, I'm deeply impressed by his talent. Why do you feel the need to to lessen that by denying the uniqueness of his ability?
@@Argosh I tend to agree with you, but on the other hand, if Max and Carlos switch places right now, who do you think will win the WDC? My bet will be on Carlos. I remember in 2016 when Nico won the WDC against Lewis. He managed to do that, exclusively because he was fully supported by the team, because by pure race craft, he`s not better than Lewis. The car, the driver and the team is the complete package, but just a good driver can win the WDC if he has a superior car and team (Jenson and Nico). There have been multiple cases in which a legendary driver couldn`t win without a superior car and team. So, in my opinion the driver is only about 20% of the total package, the rest is the car and the team.
You should be asking them if Mansell only won his 1992 WDC because the FW14B was so dominant (and not because he was able to drive that car in a way that wrung the most out of it whilst his teammate struggled to get to grips with it)… “It’s the car” is such an overused piece of copium, it’s actually ridiculous at this point. Like, no shit the car is good (you need that to compete for titles in this sport), but they somehow forget that the team runs *two* cars. Barring differences in specifications (which I am aware is NOT the case for RBR at least last season), it’s the differences in driver performance that often makes up the majority of the difference in pace between the two. It’s not a coincidence that Max has delivered the sheer bulk of the team’s points last season whilst Checo almost got beaten to P2 by Hamilton driving a much slower Mercedes.
it's called making a car with driver preference checo is not max level,but what you see is because of rebull making a car which is has very strong front end but weaker rear end it works for max as he uses schumacher type of racing line in which you brake late and turn the car at once and get a strong exit
@@sanidhyakumar5816 No that's where you got it wrong. Max could jump in a McLaren and ADAPT to push the car. There is a reason why Max excel with everything he touches. Applies as well in Sim Racing. Max is good at adapting, and push the car.
@@Thomas-im2tk i think you would agree with me that if Max jump in a McLaren or a Ferrari, he will still end on every podium at least. Even win wdc. he is a monster, just look at his sim races even. the guy never participated in some of the sim racing category and he rivalise with long time pro. Adapt. Push. Win. Repeat.
@@mregbef1 for me as early as 2016 for his dirty driving for example when he didn’t give Vettel the position back after he left the track or the many times he was moving under braking in other races for example against kimi in Hungary.
The Australian Grand Prix was okay but just because Max wasn't in. It doesn't make it a good race. Carlos was still 20 seconds ahead. It was effectively the same thing
Were you even watching the race? Carlos was 7 seconds ahead of Leclerc for pretty much the entire race. That pretty much meant that it was anyone’s game. Only reason we didn’t get an actual fight for a win was because of team orders from both Ferrari and McLaren
@@itstyypical3908 that is just not true Carlos had to fight against his own team to keep himself in the lead did you listen to the radio he demanded the gap between him and leclerc so Ferrari wouldn't undercut him
I'm a Ferrari fan that coped and seethed at Vettel and Hamilton when they were dominant, but Max is alright. He doesn't have any annoying habits and is generally not a jerk on track. I can only be upset that the other teams aren't able to keep up.
People who say that Sir Lewis Hamilton is done in F1 are saying it out of hate and no basis in any F1 analysis, the man finished 3rd last season of 2023, he was even close to finished 2nd with a sub par racing car, there were other cars faster than his car and he managed to use his talent and experience to manage his racing and finish in the top 3 of the season. the 2022 season Mercedes used his car as a testing model during the races, then he ended up in 6th position end of season and even this season, apparently they are running tests with his car, which does not make sense since he won't be driving that car after this season.
@@platylobiumobtuseangulum1607 but it is not an entertaining show/movie that has to have a different outcome/plot every episode. It is a sport and sometimes you get a person who is the best for a decade…I mean …they didn’t ask Michael Jordan to dunk less back then, did they? The closest example is Lewis…cruising in front for years
I think these drivers are hated due to misplaced frustration. People hate the dominance, not the driver. Very often, a few fans even say “it’s not Lewis’ fault he’s driving so well.” The fact is that the dominant driver has an advantage to win knowing almost every driver on the grid doesn’t have a chance. The dominant driver’s race also seems easier since they are up front, battle less, have clean air, form a 20+ second gap and have a monster car with high reliability.
I didn’t think it to be an amazing gp. Carlos just wasn’t contested by anyone even if his gap behind was only 2.5-3s. There also weren’t tons of great battles behind. Oscar just let Lando past sealing 3-4 so there were no fights for the podium places.
Mostly cuz he won the last championship that Ferrari has won+ his prime at McLaren was insane Kimi 100% deserved more than one championship but those McLaren were super unreliable
That's because of the internal power struggle going on... And Horner having the backing of the majority stake holder pretty much guarantees this outcome. Jos is a loudmouth, and he totally overplayed his hand.
I would say "when will they turn on Max?" he is very hated at this moment, you can hear those boos when he wins, you can read the mean comments. And after the last GP, most of the comments were boohooing him because of his brake failure.
1:55 We could be wrong here but it actually looked like Sainz had the pace to actually challenge Max without him exiting the race, unless the brakes were just messing him up from the beginning. If that's true then it seems like it actually would have been a more exciting race WITH max in it. Or the alternative, imagine if he went down in the late laps instead of the early laps after having a slight edge on Carlos the whole time.
I hope Ferrari can challenge max in 2025. First half of 2022 Max vs Leclerc was so good until Ferrari do Ferrari thing. unlike Lewis, Leclerc know how max works and sometimes he caught him off guard like in Austria. I think Ferrari can do it with line up: lewis-his nemesis- and Leclerc-the driver who know him well- it would be amazing and hopefully Fred vasseur will break Ferraris habits of not delivering good mid season upgrade.
I've witnessed enough the hate in F1 to tell you that: _ Schumacher: Was hated for unsportsmanlike behavior on the track and the lack of competition he faced during his dominance (especially from his teammates). _ Vettel: Was hated especially by Alonso fans. And very disliked for his finger ☝🏼 when he got pole or the win. His finger was a real mark of arrogance. _ Hamilton: Probably the most hated driver of modern F1. It is a white dominate sport, fans support people they can recognize themselves to. Lewis' skin color contributed a lot from the hate. He got a lot of hate for making his wins look easy after spending the whole week partying with models, Neymar or Will Smith, people calling him a fraud by saying "it's just the car". Finally he got a lot of hate for actually having real competition and proving he is the greatest of his era having real adversity for the majority of his success (teammates, championship fights). He got a lot of hate from Alonso fans, Ferrari fans, RedBull fans, Verstappen fans, and Schumacher fans. _ Verstappen: He gets a lot of hate for his unsportsmanlike manœuvres. His arrogance in and off the track. His lack of adversity. And finally he gets a lot of hate because of the attitude of his fans on social media. The most hypocrite and unpolite fans I've ever seen on social media.
This honestly sums it up very well. Couldn’t agree more for right or wrong. This seems to be the reason Formula One fans have their knickers in a twist
With such a comment on Max you deserve all the hate you can get. He is not arrogant but self assured. In the last 2 years he never made any unsportmanslike manoeuvre.
@@tonlit4640 Max fanboys at their best once again... Concerning unsportsmanlike manœuvres in the last 2 years: Silverstone 2022 against Schumacher, Brazil 2022 against Hamilton, Austria 2023 against Perez, Las Vegas 2023 against Ocon and Leclerc.
In every driver's dominant era the last year of the dominant era is the strongest like 2013 of Sir Sebastian Vettel, 2004 of Micheal Schumacher and 2020 of Sir Lewis Hamilton So i predict that 2025 would be the last year of redbull's domination or even 2025 because of the problems in the internal level of the team
I loved Schumi era, loved Alonso mini era , loved Vettel era, loved hamilton era (but became boring after 2019. but 2021 was the best year for F1) and I love Max era even now hoping for a mega record breaking season something like max winning 18 races in a row. (after that it will most likely become boring)
A lot of people forget max started in f1 in 2015 and it took him 7 years to win a title and that title was given to him by Michael masi and then he was given the fastest car on the grid and keeps winning but schumacher and senna won there first title s in their 4th season and hamilton in his second season almost winning in his first the problem that a lot of f1 fans don't understand when you have the fastest car you only have to beat your teammate and the redbulls are miles ahead of the rest of the grid! So all max needs to do is beat checo
uh how about he didn’t have a car cable of winning a championship until 2021 ? Or how when he got one he beat Hamilton and was the better driver over the season. Then in 2022 Ferrari put up about as much of challenge as they did in 2017,2018. 2023 is when he actually had a dominant car. And it was really only dominant in the race, qualifying you could beat it. 2024 seems like later in the season Ferrari will be winning races too. So quite confused on what you mean dominant car?
F1 is a constructors' series, not a driver's series. Whoever can build the best car will win. If you want to watch a series where driver skill matters.the most, I hear Formula E is pretty good.
Great video once again, I think once you reach the top step you get a lot of support but also a bunch of people who hate the winner. I want other drivers to win other then max and him retiring after 2 years I must admit was enjoyable to watch.
I won't. After all, this guy ended the legacy of the most over rated driver Formula 1 will ever see in Lewis Hamilton in 2021. And Hamilton essentially had FULL protection from the FIA and Liberty Media no less!
@@mregbef1not just the British fans Max fans are like that too when Bottas crashed in Germany 2019 and when Vettel crashed in Germany 2018 every fan base have stupid people
Good analysis. I think F1 fans are no different from other sports fans. They have a team or person they want to support but they also want to see and experience competition. The added drama of seeing your favourite team/person perform under pressure is why sport is no different to rooting for the main character from a movie/game/book overcome conflict and 'earn' their right to be called 'The Hero.'
I don't mind someone being dominant. But man don't be winning every race by a large margin. The reason Australia was interesting was not just sainz but I was rooting for albon to get points. Disappointed he didn't but it was a good drive. But I mean if there has been a few more laps then leclerc would have caught sainz and won. I just want to see good racing. If the same person is winning by 20 seconds every time then it becomes boring and I dont want to watch no more. Lol There really is no solution either. I would like to see Max step out of F1 and go do some lmp and super GT stuff irl. Or just put him in a different car on the grid. Cause I have a suspicion that he may be able to dominate in other cars that other people would never have a chance in. He may actually be the best driver on the planet. But to test that he will need to leave red bull and do other stuff.
@@sammoore3687 try again. lol you can do it. no one wants to see someone casually drive and finish 20 plus seconds ahead of the field. if i want that then i would just play the video game on easy mode. there is a difference in competition between dominance and not even being on the same level. Max is not even on the same level as anyone else. he isn't competitive. all he does is go for a casual drive around the course and finishes so far ahead that he may as well not have even been part of the race. so idk what to tell you. i don't mind if he wins. just that he does so without trying. with no effort. he wins by margins that makes the entire sport look bad. he wins by a margin that makes nascar look like a better competition than F1
I really don't think anybody will turn on Max, it's not the first time one driver dominates the grid. Sky F1 could really do with moving on David Croft and Ted - All that shouting when the race is going is getting a bit annoying...
I really think you should go unscripted for videos, (maybe have an outline of what you want to speak about if you need) you can really hear the shift in the video, not that it was bad before hand, but its just so much better when you went off script. :) There's just more energy behind your voice and I really liked it
i don't like heavily scripting my videos but it helps me remember all of my points and not go completely off topic, but sure i will do more unscripted stuff in future
From 2016-2020 the narrative was that with Lewis it was “just the car” and Max could exceed what his car was, and he had all the talent, now max is dominating and it turned into it’s just the car. Max cant do shit without a Great car, but a great car cant do anything without Max, or Any great driver.
You must be living under a rock, did you not hear the fans cheer when he retired in Australia?? So many disgusting crowd behaviour we've witnessed last year & here you are still wondering when. Perhaps you mean fans start physically attaching Max, well that's not likely to happen, fans aren't animals.
i am living under a rock, my real name is patrick star. pls don't make fun of my living arrangements. but yh the crowd were not as nice but they do not represent the whole fanbase of f1 as a whole.
I turned on Max after his fraudulent 2021 season. He did not deserve that championship and I really don't know how he lives with himself. That shows his character 🤔
BRO TOOK HAM OUT. If you guys turn on him because he is beating everyone and think he is not good just remember who he BEAT in 2021. Because if you say hes ASS then HAM is ASS.
Max had a faster car all season you do realise that right. On top of that, we are not going to talk about Abu Dhabi. All the assassination attempts in Saudi Arabia and Brazil and Italy fact he was given free points in spa.
@@mregbef1 Keep blaming Hamilton’s mistakes on Verstappens car while they were equally paces all season apart from the end where Mercedes put that GIGA engine in and there was no longer a chance to defend against the drs… 3 dnfs to 1 btw. 1 day yall going to learn to hold that it’s ok.
Were you not there when Max won four races in a row and did burnouts in Austria?? up until the last five races of the season that Red Bull was definitely quicker and had it not been full Silverstone and hungry he would’ve took the championship easily.
@@mregbef1 Obviously you forgot Lewis' (almost) murder attempt in Silverstone.Max didn't have the faster car, esp. not in the last 4 races. Don't lie to me.
The way Max and his father have plotted to oust the man who delivered a world championship for him 3x is quite disgusting .I'm surprised he has any fans outside Holland and Belgium .
That fact u think max was involved when IT was solely His dad doing all the drama n MV staying largely outta IT. Just Shows what a biased clueless bozo U are. Come Back when u have enough information to actually KNOW what exactly happend. Till then stfu.
F1 fan's already have because these new cars were meant to bring closer racing and they are the worse ever they are to big and heavy they are just single lap machine's! and everyone seems to forget that the fact the whole fuckin thing was about overtaking I hate these new car's
What are speaking of, he was one of the most hated driver even before he started his domination. 2021 was gonna be a saving grace but he became the beneficiary of Massi, and it just solidified his position in poisonous minds
@@alaeriia01 that's the thing about 2021, almost every incident could have swung the pendulum either way, Max's tire blowing, Lewis' hand placement, Max and Lewis not crashing in Monza or Silverstone, Max finishing his Jeddah quali, and finally Abu Dhabi. I was rooting for Max dethroning Lewis, but man it was nail biter season all year. But I agree, that stupid mistake was the biggest shocker just below Massi.
It is not just the car, it is also the Fia cheating and creating rules to prevent your rivals from competing. Slap in the engine freeze. Put on top of that, rear wings that doesn't give the rear tyres ground force for rear end grip. Place in ground effect that adds more rear instability for a particular team like Mercedes who can't sort that fundamental issue out as they can't change their engine size or placement as it would require a new engine design which isn't allowed under the engine freeze development rule...thus it makes sure the late braker can't do his job and late brake anymore, this Max thing could continue well into 2026.
Oh really? Do you know that engine freeze was planned during Mercedes era? Way before Red Bull/Honda became strong. Why they planned to freeze the engines?? So the teams can focus on new 2026 engine instead of looking for a next new upgrade on a current engine which would remove focus from 2026 engine and keep them in that endless cycle of upgrading the engine. All Red Bull did is asked for that engine freeze to be moved one year earlier for 2022. And FIA and ALL THE TEAMS INCLUDING MERCEDES agreed. You know when it was decided to be moved? 11tg of February 2021 almost a full month before 2021 f1 season. You know who was winning 7 years in a row right up to that moment? And who had the strongest engines in that moment? Stop the bs mate please
@@zvezdanjasovic3185 engine freeze came enforce for 2022 along with the removal of the rear wing, and ground effects. Watch Mercedes come alive once the engines can be developed.
I have a great respect for his racing skills. But without the Red Bull car he wouldn't be as successful as he is. Now with Jos, (his father) involved, I have now developed a deep hatred for all Verstappens.
I disagree, i truly belive he would still be successfull even if everyone had the same vehicles, because he has consistently beaten all his team mates in the past years, of wich inlcuded amazing drivers like Daniel Ricciardo. Of course you can say that the team clearly had favoritism for Max, however he never asked more of his engineers than just to make the best car possible He is a incredible driver in the fastest car in the grid, and that has made the sport more predicable than ever, but he is there for a reason
You don't need to turn if you never liked him in the first place 😂 He's a great driver but a terrible human being that has said sexist, racist, transphobic and many other types of bigotry. Soz but he'll always be Mr Sensitive Fish Face to me regardless how good he is (which I can respect)
also "mr sensitive" ur just lost in nostalgia everyone great were aggressive drivers and did almost every thing max did, complained etc. ur just delusional lost in the past
What has max done? Every time after the race is over, max just celebrates, hangs around then goes home to play Iracing. Dont recall him doing much other than that. If you’re talking about the Horner incident, thats almost entirely just Jos, Max hasnt said much other than he wants helmut marko to stick around
Max has had it super easy considering what other drivers have gone through, particularly Lewis being the only black driver and facing so much blatant and disguised racism. Say what you want but he was born with a golden spoon in his mouth, and that's how he has been treated ever since, especially being treated like the Prince of Redbull. He's had it EASY and he's a great driver (but not a great human being) so makes sense where he is.
@@FusionDiffis Max a bad person or in this case a “not great human being”? Probably not. But you have to admit that he has done some questionable stuff.
I never liked Max. But even though I am not a fan, I would be delusional if I couldn't admit that he currently destroys the competition by sheer racing craft. I bet that paired with any driver in any car, he would dominate every team mate currently available. He's just that good.
i disagree. stick him in the mclaren and its tight with lando
You make solid videos, but You are off the mark, if you think that. Max is just smart. How can he be so accepted by all, if he wasn´t. They all give in to what he says, even when he did display immaturity. You just cannot run the same lane as someone smarter, and keep up. Surely you see that IRL, and it was the same when Schumacher was truly a bro with Mika, and Mika knew, Michael was a bit better.
There is the second most talented guy being LeClerc, and he cannot hang with Max. How good are they, when you see Max winning Iracing and Rfactor2 races against profesionals, emulating what he does IRL, and driving within margins that the other drivers, including Norris, just laugh at in a way "he just does that, anyway, we try to hang, I´m doing good, and it is what it is".
Nobody except for Schumacher and Clark was naturally as good as Verstappen. Now, I believe in everyone, but there is the issue of limited time, trying to do things "better than expected", having dreams and breaking stigma, and hubris, being inspired, and having the means and time to do things.
To cut through that, you need to do the right things, and for that, you need intelligence, and Max is the smartest on the grid, and the most talented of his generation among those who made it into F1. @@mregbef1 Even when you are gifted, and given things, you are the one at the helm of breaking through hubris for everybody. Sometimes, some exceptionally charged regulars can do what others would not believe they could, like Senna. He was among the twitchiest, least gifted drivers Ever, but as far as his person, he has overcome and stared death in the face more, and his interests were in line with that. He has thrown his weights off the most, but that doesn´t mean he was some godly talented driver, even when he was winning. making others think you are almost ready to kill them, so they back off, isn´t about being better.
Nobody has driven the miles he did, and for all the others, it was a rich guy venture, and they were privilieged more than him, for them it was their "familial thing", where they could not understand his drive to near kill himselfm and them aswell. He just could not explain, or be talked to, that would dull him. He did "expose", how they didn´t go and try hard enough, as he has shown he could match and beat them, but he always carried extra risk, and twitch, that went beyond being precise, he was more on the edge, but as far as having nuance, he was among the worst, and only failed drivers and Tsunoda can match him.
Max has similiarly simple lifestyle, but atleast people do not suffer around him nearly as much. Senna has made it clear, he will go as hard as can, and crash anyone who is willing to try and match him. He has barged his way into F1. When he didn´t have a great car, he was nowhere to be seen. He was great. I can recognise he was different.
But the car could have been driven better than what he had shown- the sport just wasn´t that sophisticated. When People look "UP" at F1, they understandably put practice and menacing aura on the same level of influence, as being talented, and in control, and do not see how perfectly setup his car was, or how he rode the line so bad, that other, mnore talented, even though as far "as proving they are better", more hubris full drivers, would see he was driving like a mad man.
There are reasons, why his own reasoning and habits were always receding, and why he had to grind as he did. Mansell was about the best driver, but he has never tried to make it work like him, Senna demanded ideas from engineers, and made them do endless mental passes as far as setup. To Senna, it was do or die, and he made his team do it. I am not saying he was a psycho, but he was deeply compartmentalized, and possesed with winning, and was always a dangerous driver. To the outside, "it looks spectacular", but still, there were reasons for the dissent, and people doubting his "motives", even then.
You know, the differences between dudes chatting on the net and the drivers are as small as between any fans and celebs. It is what it is. Some still made it work, like Dwayne Johnson, or the majority of sports stars, who have common mental capabilities. When Max doesn´t hold other´s hands, he dissappears, and others try to emulate him. When he does something they, or even most deem "dangerous", there is more complacency of their own, and the public, than personal inability/ bad priorites and opportunism from him.
When they try to attack his approach, or berate him, they eventually are left speechless, yet not angry. He just shows there is more to it.
It is the same as trying to one up "the asshole nerd" at school, only to realize they do all you do, and more, and you are just fighting mirages.
@@mregbef1 obviously very British biased I don’t think anyone gets close to max in any car except prime Lewis
I didn’t hate Lewis and I don’t hate max I just hate Lewis fans
I didn't hate Max and I don't hate Lewis I just hate Max fanboys
@@flom1951 exactly lmao
team lh and max fans are crazy. i tried to make a video on them but reading their comment hurts my brain.
@@mregbef1 yea man I respect Lewis he’s one of if not the best to ever do it and that’s coming from a long time Red Bull fan but that cult is so insane and annoying
You can make the argument that Max is ALREADY the most hated driver on the grid.
I’d still say Lewis
Sir Lewis and Hamilton 6 time world championi !!!😂
Even if that was true, still better than a lot of previous drivers or those on the grid now. So how is that funny?
6?
FACT: there isn't a single driver in F1 right now who wouldn't get utterly destroyed if Max joined their team.
Max has only driven in a redbull type of setup so it probably would take him a bit of time to ajuste
It depends. In fairness to his teammates it needs to be noted that the car is basically developed exclusively for his driving style. It's an extremely impressive style, but in a car less suited for it he would not beat everyone. If for example the car would be favored towards the late breaking style drivers like Ricciardo or Perez it would be a lot closer.
It's funny how these things sort of come and go in cycles.
Schumi was probably a similar driver to Max, using small break inputs to position his car in the corners, it's a shame that his accident robbed us from seeing what he could achieve.
@@Argosh Please watch Albon's response to "the car is built for his style". It's categorically incorrect. The car is built to go as fast as possible, which means it can be a bit unstable. It's just Max can tame it much better than most drivers.
@@DanishSatkut except he didn't really say that. Sure, he started with that, only to then continue to describe in extreme detail how and why that car is built purely around Max' style.
I'm a fan of his, I'm deeply impressed by his talent. Why do you feel the need to to lessen that by denying the uniqueness of his ability?
@@Argosh I tend to agree with you, but on the other hand, if Max and Carlos switch places right now, who do you think will win the WDC? My bet will be on Carlos. I remember in 2016 when Nico won the WDC against Lewis. He managed to do that, exclusively because he was fully supported by the team, because by pure race craft, he`s not better than Lewis. The car, the driver and the team is the complete package, but just a good driver can win the WDC if he has a superior car and team (Jenson and Nico). There have been multiple cases in which a legendary driver couldn`t win without a superior car and team. So, in my opinion the driver is only about 20% of the total package, the rest is the car and the team.
For me it was Australia 2024. I wanted him to win every race in 2024 and now the dream is over.
you are alone in this dream
i find it very funny to hear "its the car", while Checo can barely make it onto the podium...
You should be asking them if Mansell only won his 1992 WDC because the FW14B was so dominant (and not because he was able to drive that car in a way that wrung the most out of it whilst his teammate struggled to get to grips with it)…
“It’s the car” is such an overused piece of copium, it’s actually ridiculous at this point. Like, no shit the car is good (you need that to compete for titles in this sport), but they somehow forget that the team runs *two* cars.
Barring differences in specifications (which I am aware is NOT the case for RBR at least last season), it’s the differences in driver performance that often makes up the majority of the difference in pace between the two. It’s not a coincidence that Max has delivered the sheer bulk of the team’s points last season whilst Checo almost got beaten to P2 by Hamilton driving a much slower Mercedes.
He’s good but he’s also got the best car by a mile
it's called making a car with driver preference checo is not max level,but what you see is because of rebull making a car which is has very strong front end but weaker rear end it works for max as he uses schumacher type of racing line in which you brake late and turn the car at once and get a strong exit
@@sanidhyakumar5816 No that's where you got it wrong. Max could jump in a McLaren and ADAPT to push the car. There is a reason why Max excel with everything he touches. Applies as well in Sim Racing.
Max is good at adapting, and push the car.
@@Thomas-im2tk i think you would agree with me that if Max jump in a McLaren or a Ferrari, he will still end on every podium at least. Even win wdc. he is a monster, just look at his sim races even.
the guy never participated in some of the sim racing category and he rivalise with long time pro.
Adapt. Push. Win. Repeat.
Max was disliked before he was winning which is probably why he gets more hate
what year did people dislike him? he was the new hope
@@mregbef1 for me as early as 2016 for his dirty driving for example when he didn’t give Vettel the position back after he left the track or the many times he was moving under braking in other races for example against kimi in Hungary.
@@Thomas-im2tkthat’s the tifosi for ya
The Australian Grand Prix was okay but just because Max wasn't in. It doesn't make it a good race. Carlos was still 20 seconds ahead. It was effectively the same thing
Were you even watching the race? Carlos was 7 seconds ahead of Leclerc for pretty much the entire race. That pretty much meant that it was anyone’s game. Only reason we didn’t get an actual fight for a win was because of team orders from both Ferrari and McLaren
@@itstyypical3908 that is just not true Carlos had to fight against his own team to keep himself in the lead did you listen to the radio he demanded the gap between him and leclerc so Ferrari wouldn't undercut him
What do you mean, how long. It happened already.
"were gonna focus on lewis and hamilton"
1:01 " I am gonna mainly focus on Lewis and Hamilton " Mate, that is Sir Sebastian Vettel and Sir Lewis Hamilton
its been a long week, pls allow me
I'm a Ferrari fan that coped and seethed at Vettel and Hamilton when they were dominant, but Max is alright. He doesn't have any annoying habits and is generally not a jerk on track. I can only be upset that the other teams aren't able to keep up.
Awesome and true comment
what made sebs and lewis' domination bad to you?
havent they already?! 🤣
the moment DTS tell people they should hate Max, they will 😂
People who say that Sir Lewis Hamilton is done in F1 are saying it out of hate and no basis in any F1 analysis, the man finished 3rd last season of 2023, he was even close to finished 2nd with a sub par racing car, there were other cars faster than his car and he managed to use his talent and experience to manage his racing and finish in the top 3 of the season.
the 2022 season Mercedes used his car as a testing model during the races, then he ended up in 6th position end of season and even this season, apparently they are running tests with his car, which does not make sense since he won't be driving that car after this season.
How can you hate someone for being the best?
Formula One fans are not normal
He ain't and because it gets bloody boring seeing the same driver win everything all the time.
@@mregbef1 That's the funniest thing I've read today. It's so true.
@@platylobiumobtuseangulum1607 but it is not an entertaining show/movie that has to have a different outcome/plot every episode. It is a sport and sometimes you get a person who is the best for a decade…I mean …they didn’t ask Michael Jordan to dunk less back then, did they? The closest example is Lewis…cruising in front for years
😂😂😂
I think these drivers are hated due to misplaced frustration. People hate the dominance, not the driver. Very often, a few fans even say “it’s not Lewis’ fault he’s driving so well.” The fact is that the dominant driver has an advantage to win knowing almost every driver on the grid doesn’t have a chance. The dominant driver’s race also seems easier since they are up front, battle less, have clean air, form a 20+ second gap and have a monster car with high reliability.
I didn’t think it to be an amazing gp. Carlos just wasn’t contested by anyone even if his gap behind was only 2.5-3s. There also weren’t tons of great battles behind. Oscar just let Lando past sealing 3-4 so there were no fights for the podium places.
Kimi had the most loved F1 career haha
Mostly cuz he won the last championship that Ferrari has won+ his prime at McLaren was insane
Kimi 100% deserved more than one championship but those McLaren were super unreliable
Hard to hate the finns ,
The turn has already started.
Jos is now keeping his distance.
Max seemed to be far more ‘user friendly’ than previous weeks.
That's because of the internal power struggle going on... And Horner having the backing of the majority stake holder pretty much guarantees this outcome. Jos is a loudmouth, and he totally overplayed his hand.
I would say "when will they turn on Max?" he is very hated at this moment, you can hear those boos when he wins, you can read the mean comments. And after the last GP, most of the comments were boohooing him because of his brake failure.
Only on some yt. channels. British, usually.
@@temp5782 Americans usually you got it completely wrong
@@Thomas-im2tk Dude….
@@temp5782 here in Argentina too.
1:55 We could be wrong here but it actually looked like Sainz had the pace to actually challenge Max without him exiting the race, unless the brakes were just messing him up from the beginning. If that's true then it seems like it actually would have been a more exciting race WITH max in it. Or the alternative, imagine if he went down in the late laps instead of the early laps after having a slight edge on Carlos the whole time.
its already been 2 races in max winning them why are you so delusional to think Ferrari has a chance :skul
max said the brakes were off from the start but its hard to tell if sainz had the pace because it was so early on in the race.
I hope Ferrari can challenge max in 2025. First half of 2022 Max vs Leclerc was so good until Ferrari do Ferrari thing. unlike Lewis, Leclerc know how max works and sometimes he caught him off guard like in Austria. I think Ferrari can do it with line up: lewis-his nemesis- and Leclerc-the driver who know him well- it would be amazing and hopefully Fred vasseur will break Ferraris habits of not delivering good mid season upgrade.
I've witnessed enough the hate in F1 to tell you that:
_ Schumacher: Was hated for unsportsmanlike behavior on the track and the lack of competition he faced during his dominance (especially from his teammates).
_ Vettel: Was hated especially by Alonso fans. And very disliked for his finger ☝🏼 when he got pole or the win. His finger was a real mark of arrogance.
_ Hamilton: Probably the most hated driver of modern F1. It is a white dominate sport, fans support people they can recognize themselves to. Lewis' skin color contributed a lot from the hate. He got a lot of hate for making his wins look easy after spending the whole week partying with models, Neymar or Will Smith, people calling him a fraud by saying "it's just the car". Finally he got a lot of hate for actually having real competition and proving he is the greatest of his era having real adversity for the majority of his success (teammates, championship fights). He got a lot of hate from Alonso fans, Ferrari fans, RedBull fans, Verstappen fans, and Schumacher fans.
_ Verstappen: He gets a lot of hate for his unsportsmanlike manœuvres. His arrogance in and off the track. His lack of adversity. And finally he gets a lot of hate because of the attitude of his fans on social media. The most hypocrite and unpolite fans I've ever seen on social media.
This honestly sums it up very well. Couldn’t agree more for right or wrong. This seems to be the reason Formula One fans have their knickers in a twist
@@mregbef1 You just lost a member again. You should have an unbiased attitude unless you are setting up a fansite for Lewis.
With such a comment on Max you deserve all the hate you can get. He is not arrogant but self assured. In the last 2 years he never made any unsportmanslike manoeuvre.
Classic Comment from the Hamilton cult. if you don’t like Hamilton it’s cause he’s black, such a lazy argument.
@@tonlit4640 Max fanboys at their best once again...
Concerning unsportsmanlike manœuvres in the last 2 years: Silverstone 2022 against Schumacher, Brazil 2022 against Hamilton, Austria 2023 against Perez, Las Vegas 2023 against Ocon and Leclerc.
In every driver's dominant era the last year of the dominant era is the strongest like 2013 of Sir Sebastian Vettel, 2004 of Micheal Schumacher and 2020 of Sir Lewis Hamilton So i predict that 2025 would be the last year of redbull's domination or even 2025 because of the problems in the internal level of the team
I loved Schumi era, loved Alonso mini era , loved Vettel era, loved hamilton era (but became boring after 2019. but 2021 was the best year for F1) and I love Max era even now hoping for a mega record breaking season something like max winning 18 races in a row. (after that it will most likely become boring)
Engineering has always been a part of F1. If you want to win, built a better car than red bull, is that simple.
youre right its not max's fault everyone got the regs wrong
People already turned on him
Bro remenber me when you grt your first play button here before you reached 1k❤❤❤
Haven’t they already?
Max is great and mature, I just hate that he’s surrounded by the wrong people
Is your profile Lewis Photoshop into a Redbull?
10:00 doesn’t need next season to be the most hated driver
A lot of people forget max started in f1 in 2015 and it took him 7 years to win a title and that title was given to him by Michael masi and then he was given the fastest car on the grid and keeps winning but schumacher and senna won there first title s in their 4th season and hamilton in his second season almost winning in his first the problem that a lot of f1 fans don't understand when you have the fastest car you only have to beat your teammate and the redbulls are miles ahead of the rest of the grid! So all max needs to do is beat checo
uh how about he didn’t have a car cable of winning a championship until 2021 ? Or how when he got one he beat Hamilton and was the better driver over the season. Then in 2022 Ferrari put up about as much of challenge as they did in 2017,2018. 2023 is when he actually had a dominant car. And it was really only dominant in the race, qualifying you could beat it. 2024 seems like later in the season Ferrari will be winning races too. So quite confused on what you mean dominant car?
F1 is a constructors' series, not a driver's series. Whoever can build the best car will win. If you want to watch a series where driver skill matters.the most, I hear Formula E is pretty good.
They already have
compared to seb and lewis max is living the good life
Great video once again, I think once you reach the top step you get a lot of support but also a bunch of people who hate the winner. I want other drivers to win other then max and him retiring after 2 years I must admit was enjoyable to watch.
who is your favourite driver?
Really great video!
I won't. After all, this guy ended the legacy of the most over rated driver Formula 1 will ever see in Lewis Hamilton in 2021. And Hamilton essentially had FULL protection from the FIA and Liberty Media no less!
Least obsessive Max fan
@@mesh8349 I'd rather be that than be a Benz Lives Matter supporter
@@KoeingseggCCM Lewis is living in your head rent free 😅
@@mesh8349 Nah, he's a 6x world champion, therefore, he can use his championship winnings to pay for the rent
@@KoeingseggCCM lol that was actually a good one
VER already been booed for winning & cheers after DNF jst we don’t hear it!!!
I remember the cheering he got when he crashed in Silverstone in 2021 it was crazy, British fans were not holding back
@@mregbef1not just the British fans Max fans are like that too when Bottas crashed in Germany 2019 and when Vettel crashed in Germany 2018 every fan base have stupid people
Just take a piece of tape and put it over position 1 and 2. IT'S FUN NOW!
ikr idividual races can be fun if you dont only focus on 1st
also f2 is gold very good racing should be almost as popular as f1 in my opinion
@@MesterWilliam-ny9nqRealest comment i've seen yet.
Yeah? Do you remember who came 9th or 11th in any of last year's races? Exactly.
@@isaacm2374 You know top 2 will just be RB. The fuck is you point?
Good analysis. I think F1 fans are no different from other sports fans. They have a team or person they want to support but they also want to see and experience competition. The added drama of seeing your favourite team/person perform under pressure is why sport is no different to rooting for the main character from a movie/game/book overcome conflict and 'earn' their right to be called 'The Hero.'
Thanks, can you have a solid point
One hundred and three thousand fans, hello
let's gooooo
I don't mind someone being dominant. But man don't be winning every race by a large margin. The reason Australia was interesting was not just sainz but I was rooting for albon to get points. Disappointed he didn't but it was a good drive. But I mean if there has been a few more laps then leclerc would have caught sainz and won. I just want to see good racing. If the same person is winning by 20 seconds every time then it becomes boring and I dont want to watch no more. Lol
There really is no solution either. I would like to see Max step out of F1 and go do some lmp and super GT stuff irl. Or just put him in a different car on the grid. Cause I have a suspicion that he may be able to dominate in other cars that other people would never have a chance in. He may actually be the best driver on the planet. But to test that he will need to leave red bull and do other stuff.
i want max to stay tbh, he's too good to let go
“I don’t mind someone being dominant”…. Proceeds to explain how u hate dominance😂😂😂
@@sammoore3687 try again. lol you can do it. no one wants to see someone casually drive and finish 20 plus seconds ahead of the field. if i want that then i would just play the video game on easy mode. there is a difference in competition between dominance and not even being on the same level. Max is not even on the same level as anyone else. he isn't competitive. all he does is go for a casual drive around the course and finishes so far ahead that he may as well not have even been part of the race. so idk what to tell you. i don't mind if he wins. just that he does so without trying. with no effort. he wins by margins that makes the entire sport look bad. he wins by a margin that makes nascar look like a better competition than F1
I really don't think anybody will turn on Max, it's not the first time one driver dominates the grid. Sky F1 could really do with moving on David Croft and Ted - All that shouting when the race is going is getting a bit annoying...
5:25 many Charles “Flans” 😂❤.
try saying charles fans 7 times really quick. its a tongue twister
I dont like Max. But he is the best driver and he deserves to win. I just hope for my favourite pilots to get on the podium
I really think you should go unscripted for videos, (maybe have an outline of what you want to speak about if you need) you can really hear the shift in the video, not that it was bad before hand, but its just so much better when you went off script. :)
There's just more energy behind your voice and I really liked it
i don't like heavily scripting my videos but it helps me remember all of my points and not go completely off topic, but sure i will do more unscripted stuff in future
From 2016-2020 the narrative was that with Lewis it was “just the car” and Max could exceed what his car was, and he had all the talent, now max is dominating and it turned into it’s just the car. Max cant do shit without a Great car, but a great car cant do anything without Max, or Any great driver.
it's always the same excuse. it's always the car but in truth these guys wouldn't have even scored points in a 2020 williams
Max is the best driver on the grid, he’d crush almost anyone in the form that he is in
Depends how 2026 regulations turn out for Redbull...
You must be living under a rock, did you not hear the fans cheer when he retired in Australia?? So many disgusting crowd behaviour we've witnessed last year & here you are still wondering when. Perhaps you mean fans start physically attaching Max, well that's not likely to happen, fans aren't animals.
Well we have seen where rabid fans can fall to in Senna vs Prost era. People are the same, good thing is security and awareness has become better
i am living under a rock, my real name is patrick star. pls don't make fun of my living arrangements. but yh the crowd were not as nice but they do not represent the whole fanbase of f1 as a whole.
Already did since 2021
We need more Abu Dhabis, once per season at least. Bring back Masi!
They already did. And they are not fans. Just normal fools...
0:57 who and who?
Did we have two?
SEBASTIAN VETTEL
never he's our lord and savior not really but you get my point
😳
I turned on Max after his fraudulent 2021 season. He did not deserve that championship and I really don't know how he lives with himself. That shows his character 🤔
Rent free, womp womp
BRO TOOK HAM OUT. If you guys turn on him because he is beating everyone and think he is not good just remember who he BEAT in 2021. Because if you say hes ASS then HAM is ASS.
Max had a faster car all season you do realise that right. On top of that, we are not going to talk about Abu Dhabi. All the assassination attempts in Saudi Arabia and Brazil and Italy fact he was given free points in spa.
I like this comment because it shows everyone’s allowed to have an opinion, even if it’s wrong
@@mregbef1 Keep blaming Hamilton’s mistakes on Verstappens car while they were equally paces all season apart from the end where Mercedes put that GIGA engine in and there was no longer a chance to defend against the drs… 3 dnfs to 1 btw. 1 day yall going to learn to hold that it’s ok.
Were you not there when Max won four races in a row and did burnouts in Austria?? up until the last five races of the season that Red Bull was definitely quicker and had it not been full Silverstone and hungry he would’ve took the championship easily.
@@mregbef1 Obviously you forgot Lewis' (almost) murder attempt in Silverstone.Max didn't have the faster car, esp. not in the last 4 races. Don't lie to me.
The way Max and his father have plotted to oust the man who delivered a world championship for him 3x is quite disgusting .I'm surprised he has any fans outside Holland and Belgium .
Not max, just Jo’s
It worked. He protected Helmut.
That fact u think max was involved when IT was solely His dad doing all the drama n MV staying largely outta IT. Just Shows what a biased clueless bozo U are. Come Back when u have enough information to actually KNOW what exactly happend. Till then stfu.
Max is a very upfront guy, however, his father isn't & he brings the Strife.
F1 fan's already have because these new cars were meant to bring closer racing and they are the worse ever they are to big and heavy they are just single lap machine's! and everyone seems to forget that the fact the whole fuckin thing was about overtaking I hate these new car's
What are speaking of, he was one of the most hated driver even before he started his domination. 2021 was gonna be a saving grace but he became the beneficiary of Massi, and it just solidified his position in poisonous minds
Lewis lost the championship in Baku when he pressed the magic button by mistake.
@@alaeriia01 that's the thing about 2021, almost every incident could have swung the pendulum either way, Max's tire blowing, Lewis' hand placement, Max and Lewis not crashing in Monza or Silverstone, Max finishing his Jeddah quali, and finally Abu Dhabi. I was rooting for Max dethroning Lewis, but man it was nail biter season all year. But I agree, that stupid mistake was the biggest shocker just below Massi.
🙏 Promo-SM
Lewis for ever ❤❤❤
ok, and what?
@@darcos412 🤣🤣
verstappen forever
@@MesterWilliam-ny9nq 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@suhilalremagah5525 lewis is finished lil bro we will get sainz and it will get even better
It is not just the car, it is also the Fia cheating and creating rules to prevent your rivals from competing. Slap in the engine freeze. Put on top of that, rear wings that doesn't give the rear tyres ground force for rear end grip. Place in ground effect that adds more rear instability for a particular team like Mercedes who can't sort that fundamental issue out as they can't change their engine size or placement as it would require a new engine design which isn't allowed under the engine freeze development rule...thus it makes sure the late braker can't do his job and late brake anymore, this Max thing could continue well into 2026.
This is generational coping
Oh really? Do you know that engine freeze was planned during Mercedes era? Way before Red Bull/Honda became strong.
Why they planned to freeze the engines?? So the teams can focus on new 2026 engine instead of looking for a next new upgrade on a current engine which would remove focus from 2026 engine and keep them in that endless cycle of upgrading the engine.
All Red Bull did is asked for that engine freeze to be moved one year earlier for 2022.
And FIA and ALL THE TEAMS INCLUDING MERCEDES agreed.
You know when it was decided to be moved? 11tg of February 2021 almost a full month before 2021 f1 season.
You know who was winning 7 years in a row right up to that moment? And who had the strongest engines in that moment?
Stop the bs mate please
@@zvezdanjasovic3185 engine freeze came enforce for 2022 along with the removal of the rear wing, and ground effects. Watch Mercedes come alive once the engines can be developed.
I have a great respect for his racing skills. But without the Red Bull car he wouldn't be as successful as he is. Now with Jos, (his father) involved, I have now developed a deep hatred for all Verstappens.
I disagree, i truly belive he would still be successfull even if everyone had the same vehicles, because he has consistently beaten all his team mates in the past years, of wich inlcuded amazing drivers like Daniel Ricciardo. Of course you can say that the team clearly had favoritism for Max, however he never asked more of his engineers than just to make the best car possible
He is a incredible driver in the fastest car in the grid, and that has made the sport more predicable than ever, but he is there for a reason
Actual F1 sucks because:
-Too heavy cars
-Slow engines
-Easy cars to Drive
-Less drivers skills
You a real f1 fan? Lewis and Hamilton?
no i'm an fake f1 fan lol, i'm ai
You don't need to turn if you never liked him in the first place 😂 He's a great driver but a terrible human being that has said sexist, racist, transphobic and many other types of bigotry. Soz but he'll always be Mr Sensitive Fish Face to me regardless how good he is (which I can respect)
nah this kid schizophrenic. go seek help dawg
also "mr sensitive" ur just lost in nostalgia everyone great were aggressive drivers and did almost every thing max did, complained etc. ur just delusional lost in the past
What bigot things has he said?
When did he said theses things?
“Boys don’t wear dresses!!!” - quote from Lewis Hamilton :)
It's nothing to do with him winning it's his actions off the track
What did he do
Been watching a lot of biased yt. channels?
What has max done? Every time after the race is over, max just celebrates, hangs around then goes home to play Iracing. Dont recall him doing much other than that. If you’re talking about the Horner incident, thats almost entirely just Jos, Max hasnt said much other than he wants helmut marko to stick around
Like what? Max has literally done nothing wrong.
Wow we got the paparazzi here
Max has had it super easy considering what other drivers have gone through, particularly Lewis being the only black driver and facing so much blatant and disguised racism. Say what you want but he was born with a golden spoon in his mouth, and that's how he has been treated ever since, especially being treated like the Prince of Redbull. He's had it EASY and he's a great driver (but not a great human being) so makes sense where he is.
wdym not a great human being ur delusional max is a sweet person
This L take deserves the pin of shame.
doriane pin of shame@@PapaBrejj
@@FusionDiffis Max a bad person or in this case a “not great human being”? Probably not. But you have to admit that he has done some questionable stuff.