So i think everyone here can be happy that they discovered your channel and learn from your vids. And special thanks for spending your time reacting to DMs and doing critiques
Facts bruv! My graffiti mentors I didn't want to talk cuz they didn't know what they hell they were saying, they just were dope on the wall, so I had to pick apart their work myself to learn from it better than they could ever explain shit on their own.
I assume its because i blatantly dissuade people from doing it illegally and i do that specifically because of my time on the streets. any responsible adult would dissuade people from doing it illegally. other than that, you have no real good reason to say what you said.
I never had a mentor per se because I'm self taught. I've had people ask me how to get better, but its hard for me to describe what I mean thru text and get the right verbiage across for them to understand in the sense that I know what to do in my head, if that makes sense. I'm sure you've done the same where you do whatever and go "this is how you go" and then go "hang on, it's way too far ahead for them". Even now as I'm typing this it's hard to find the words I wanna use because I know what I mean in my head
Thats why taking lessons to learn fine art fundamentals is so useful. One of the things those kind of lessons will teach you is the words to use and how to describe what you're thinking in your head. For example, I naturally started making some elements of my drawings flow very early on in my 'journey'. I had an intrinsic understanding that what I was doing was a concept of some sort, but in my head I was describing it as "going with the curve" or something like that and I didn't know all the aspects of flow like different types, what effect they achieved etc. Since watching these videos and also a bunch of lectures on all sorts of fundamental concepts from several different artists (it's nice to get a range of perspectives), I'd feel confident trying to teach someone about either graff OR fine art up to pretty much an entry professional level. I already have taught several younger people all sorts of stuff, some of which helped them improve their work instantly in a way they could clearly see and understand. I even made a handful of fans here and there, people who will still occasionally dm me for advice about stuff and I always seem to be able to give them something helpful they can take away. All of those lessons and interactions have only been possible through learning fine art fundamentals and the terminology/language that goes along with it. It's what brought all the loose threads together and bundled them up into a working knowledge of how to art, and without it I'd likely still be exactly where you're at - head full of knowledge and no words to explain any of it to others without having to resort to a visual demo. Oh that's the other thing I reckon helped me a lot- answering art questions via text. It forces me to find words that can explain things with 0 gestures or visual aids so you have to think hard to find a way to do it and then read your own words to see if it would make sense in someone else's mind. Then over time your explanations get more concise and effective as you get multiple chances to explain the same concepts to different people. And the more concise yet accurate and clear your answers become, the deeper your understanding of the concepts. Speaking of being concise, I've said more than enough and will shut up now. 😅
This is spot on with most mentors, and it's pretty much what I talk about near the end where I say the artist can be really sick, insanely great but the knowledge is locked in their head and they struggle to teach. Shame too because there really is plenty of incredible artists out there with great stuff to share
@@Theartistblock I guess some artists are much better at showing and telling than others. It's not necessarily a bad thing in my opinion. It's like public speaking in a way in that some are gifted with that ability to get through to people, but others freeze up and get stage fright in a way
Bro.... you have so much content I can constantly go back and forth for years to keep my knowledge fresh. Appreciate you bro. And ever writer in this community 🤘
I've learned so much from you! We had a free art studio open up here for our community and the lady wants me to teach a class and I just don't feel I know enough to be able to teach in a helpful way and I'm not a great teacher in general. So it was good to hear this "mentors can have good information but can do more harm then good" and that's how I feel I would be in that situation
Lol I mean depending on the context of the class itself you could just teach people to have fun and enjoy themselves. That's a lot of what Greenranger does here on TH-cam and I have tons of respect for him. In fact people have commented on my vids saying how he taught them to enjoy graffiti while I taught them how to get better. With that said, to teach fun, the context of the in person class needs to be right for it. If you'll be teaching people who actually want to learn how to do graffiti then it's a different story. In that case I'd say just teach them the basic boxes ( I have vids explaining the topic). Encourage them to keep things simple and basic print font so they can actually learn how graffiti works.
Tbh I learn alot from like un edited like full length videos of pieces, and trying to understand the how and why, example Sofles his real-time videos. (I love using Sofles because he's so good and creative and then I won't have to question if I'm learning something "wrong" if you understand what I mean?) I have a paper on the basic elements of art & art specific fundamentals and then while watching I try to look for how they apply all of this. Write it down and try to add a simple drawing for it behind it that shows the basic principle on how to apply it. And when I don't know what to draw I have these sheets that are filled with alot of different examples and Ideas of what is possible and then I try to apply it and if it doesn't work out like I thought it would, I just go back to the video and look for what I did wrong or why it didn't work.
Me and one of my mates go through each others sketches when we have a blackbook session n get each others opinions on them of what could be added,slightly changed,anything taken out of it or even what could make it look more clean it’s always good to get another person’s perspective on ur work as they can sometimes see something you dont
Not everyone is a "Teacher" or has the ability to. I know people who are masters in their crafts (outside of the art world) and just don't possess the skills to teach that craft. Teaching is a whole skill set within itself. While I agree with a lot of what you said (at a VERY high rate of speed) Regardless of technique, art is subjective. Always has been and always will be. So one might say that the right technique is tossed to the side for one's own interpretation of what they view as "art." Not to say it's wrong, but yes, fundamentals are important, but it's those that live outside that box and push boundaries who stand out. Double-edged sword really.
So true about learning the fundamentals of fine art from the boring thumb nails to a finished piece. I'm so happy that you put this out there for up and coming graffiti artist to be inspired to gain knowledge in three fundamentals of art. Dr. GRIM speeding truth
100 percent factual!!! I would talk to some really dope writers and it seemed like they would give the most vague description of what they were doing, you had to break shit down yourself. Like they had a secret code they didn't want to give out. Dumb shit!!!!
honestly, i could have just shown this comment and ended the video right after and you would have said it better than me lol you hit the nail on the head
A lot of people used to/still do think that there IS some kind of secret that you get told at some point. Like when the graffiti gods decide you are ready to be anointed and declared an "Official Graffiti King" so they send their angels to you to coach you in like... idk, "the way of the burner" or something and then you wake up the next day to find you've turned into Banksy. Ironic that the universal behaviours/lessons that led to this notion of a "secret technique" was more of a "I really dunno" the whole time 😂
The thing that bummed me out the most, at least in my city wich has a very small graffiti scene, is that the older writers that have been doing it for 30 years are just not wanting to spend their time with newer writers teaching them how it works, if they can even explain it technically like you do in your videos. If you are gonna call me a toy in person at least try telling me why it doesn't work, because we both know you are gonna see me writing everywhere regardless.
So i've went to this camp (now my 4th year going to that camp) to see what graffiti was all about and the mentor called Maxo he owns a graffiti shop called Spray & Play he also organises the event Meeting Of Styles in Antwerp. And he learned me the basics. From the history of graffiti to tags to throw ups to pieces until burners he has really good can control but never saw his work.
Hey man thanks for the vids, very helpful! One thing I’m struggling with is getting the letter size that I’m going after. Meaning, sometimes in creating a width that looks proportionate to the rest of the letter, I end up making the letter bigger or smaller than I wanted it to be. How do I fix this? And how do I choose appropriate widths for the different parts of a letter? Because sometimes for example, the top of an s could be fat, then the middle skinny, and then the bottom fat again. But are there any common rules to follow for any letter to make widths that look like they make sense or look cool? Thanks
Those are really "realism" in the way I think you mean it. Those pics look as good as they do because of things like 2/3 point perspective, cast shadows and light sources, foreshortening, vector lines, all the letter stuff Grims mentioned in previous videos, drawing from references and probably several other fundamentals. If you learn and understand the concepts that Grim has shown in all the videos he's made so far, then you will either know how to approach making something similar or at least understand why you're currently unable to.
Lets get one thing str8 you have graffiti writer and muralist. Now in days muralist think they are graffiti artist and honesty they are not. Muralist fell in love with graffiti and started learning to do lettering shit some even bring a long real graffiti writers that have perfected their style throughout the years. So the technique you talk about is that of a muralist and someone who studied art. Graffiti is just that ilegal shit that people have perfected and added their own twist to it. Whether is 3D, arrows etc.
Welp that's factually wrong and couldn't be farther from the truth. Graffiti follows the elements of art and has artform specific fundamentals. There is no arguing that, if you disagree youd have to prove that wrong and its literally not possible to do so
@@enderdub9399 yea n nahh, kinda found his throwie style one confusing, skipped steps then went back.... May rewatch it tho now I got a basic understanding of the concept
Lol I pretty much have over 100 vids doing pretty .uch that in various ways. It's really the only thing iv been teaching the past 12 years iv been on YT
Yeah man idk, so I've been sort of learning by watching this guy called Grim who makes videos here on TH-cam but I have doubts because I don't know how he feels about fundamentals or if he even believes in them. 🤔 You heard of this dude? Any experience?
idk about you but i saw an exposed video about him that showed he doesnt believe in the fundamentals. it had secret recordings of him admitting the fundamentals are a big joke he made up so idk about him dude lol
My videos are for people who want to learn and improve. If someone wants to do whatever they want then they're more than welcome. I put out info for those who want it
if you wanna be taught fundamentals and stuff you go to an art school not in a crackheads' crew, if you wanna get up you just get crack pls stop making graff look like art and open and so friendly to newbies, graffiti is a jungle, you don't get taught to survive, you teach yourself.
How is being friends with someone contradicting what I'm saying. Him and I spoke over DM and he was chill with me, it was a great talk. Being friends with someone doesnt mean I'm contradicting much of anything, we both do our thing. you see me promoting his lessons, do you see me doing the series where I trash tutorials any more, no. I still have the best info online though and that's fine, that doesnt mean I need to attack my many friends who make informational content. Its rude to bait controversy especially between people who've become friendly, dont do that dude. Also no hate to you man I know you're a welcome and kind part of this community so sorry if this comment came off wrong lol it's all in good spirits .
@@Theartistblock nah I'm not sensitive. Just saying he's not knowledgeable to be trying to teach graffiti. But yet has all. These big names like yourself follow and pumping him up like he's not toy: when there's a gang of better artist not getting the credit where it's due . . . Not stirring anything up was just curious to know .
@@frostysworld1083 most graffiti artists, pretty much every graffiti artist doesnt know the science of graffiti enough to teach it. Iv only met 2 that knew at the caliber enough to teach it and none of them were on social media teaching at all so your statement rings true for pretty much ever graffiti content creator and consumer out there as a result it's weird to judge him on something 99% of the community is guilty of. With that said hes factually not a toy though and its objectively wrong to say he is. His fundamentals are good and that's a factual thing. It's ok to not like his work or him as a person but if you're going to talk about skill, well thats a measurable truth for anyone, including him. So no hes not toy at all and that's why myself and other bigger names follow him, because we like and respect his factually good work.
@@Theartistblock nah I'm not judging him from that . If you seen the work he is putting on his "tutorials" it's CLEARLY TOY and many people would agree. The fact you don't surprises me as I've seen all your vids and you've critiqued people on things that well he seems to lack but fsho yea I get you and what your saying. Lol
@@frostysworld1083 lol no I think you're missing my whole point, once again, I dont promote his tutorials, I see they need work, and I just dont attack him for it is all. His other content is what i enjoy, his other content is factually good. I state in the last comment that just like 99% of graffiti artists his teaching isnt the best. I'm agreeing with you on the teaching but I'm also saying that hes my homie so I dont tear into him for it, and I'm simply not being as harsh about it as you are, I dont see the need or feel its necessary to be so harsh, I just leave it alone is all. I can see it's not that he doesnt know his stuff (this is factually shown when he gets up) , it's just that like 99% of graffiti artists he isnt a teacher. If I had to respond and rip into every single tutorial that wasnt up to par that would be the only content I put out because pretty much no tutorial is up to par in graffiti because most graffiti artists arent teachers and cant articulate what they know to teach it or they dont know the science. I have plenty of content creator friends who've made tutorials, some of the teachings are for sure flawed but no one hits me up about those, nor have I talked about those out of respect, and I will never talk about those but people want me to talk about draco as if his is any different. Once again, pretty much every tutorial out there needs work, I'm just asking instead of drawing the line at him, understand 99% of writers and graffiti artists tutorials are on the same level because once again, they're not teachers. Once again most people's tutorials arent up to par, I find it strange people are suddenly so harsh when it comes to him when his tutorials arent any different than anyone else's, it seems more like a personal attack at him because people are eating up tutorials that are worse and loving it. That shows me that it's less about his tutorials and more that people dont like him. For some reason hes got ton of haters that bash anything he does without bashing others whose work is of a lesser skill or quality. When that's the case these people have to either let up on him if they arent going to bash other content creators tutorials of the same quality or they have to bash those other content creators too but they dont. I rather they didnt bash anyone lol but I'm saying that to make a point of the hypocrisy of singling him out when everyone else's is no different. Its shown simply by the fact that you came here only asking about him rather than asking about a list of others. I'm aware people dont like him, but try to separate emotion and fact and apply that judgment you put on him to everyone else as well or no one at all. I could see if he had toy tags and throwups and he was new to graffiti then fine but that's not the case. Once again it's just like every graffiti artist, he knows his stuff but hes not a teacher and struggles to articulate it. Legends have tutorials and books out there that are worse, but we see they know their stuff, hes no different. Sorry for the novel lol I wanted to be clear so my words dont get misconstrued or twisted.
Ook so I read your title as DOES (as the writer DOES ) your mentor suck ... And I was like wtf!!? You should really put a questionmark there, just saying!
lol thanks for letting me know man, I was going to take your advice and add the question mark but I changed the title to something I felt was more engaging. i appreciate you looking out
If Grim posted a video saying "DOES sucks" my eyebrows would launch into orbit as my eyes leaped from my skull and slid directly into the internet to go to TH-cam (and witness the drama on a binary level). It'd be so unbelievable that I don't even believe unbelievable is a believable term to describe it.
@@Theartistblock Well, as a classically trained artist, and as someone with tenure in the game, I believe you've failed your mentees by not ensuring you've entrusted them with a valuable lesson about the simple fact since the dawn of actual graffiti. That style trumps technique. Don't go to a sick doctor if you want to get healthy...
@@Wetworks results are what matter, my teaching gets results, and have been getting results for well over a decade. you can be classicly trained, tenured and whatever else you want to be but none of that matters when once again my teaching works. Now I tried to leave the convo and let you do you without sparking anything but respectfully, you're flat out wrong. good fundamentals are what make style possible and that's an objective fact not up for debate. If you can't see that then your classical training didn't really train you at all and in that case, it's not me who's failed as a teacher, it was your teachers who failed.
There's a difference in what someone "wants to be" & exactly "what one exactly "is" My body of work burner wise, as well as professionally, design wise in the advertising as well as fashion world speaks clearly for itself. No ego-inflation nor flex intended, but to erudite in an inaccurate manner one of the clear foundations of true graffiti. Is definitely a disservice to the craft itself.
@@Wetworks well like i said before, results cant be denied so your accomplishments arent taken as a flex at least not by me lol but i too have achievements that i can throw around, so neither of our accomplishments really matter, what matters are facts, not what we've accomplished in our professional lives. On that note, the fact is, my teaching gets results. most graffiti artists take decades to learn and achieve what I achieve and teach in just a year in my students. that's no easy feat and i find it crazy you'd consider that a failure. style factually, objectively is the exaggeration of the fundamentals, that's a definitive truth, so you can't have style without learning the basics as style is literally the exaggeration of the basics. The fact you sat here and said "Style>Technique", tells me you don't know this fact, meaning your classical training failed you. Your whole argument hinges on this fact too and it's why you're simply flat out wrong. IF you know how style factually functioned you never would have said "Style>Technique", so the fact that you said that tells me you're not qualified to have a debate about style specifically as you dont know how it even works. Thats not to say you dont know anything, that's not to say you're dumb or not professional, its just to say you dont know the science behind style and therefore cant debate about the topic against someone who does. This also isn't to say you dont have style, as I think, like most graffiti artists, you simply learned some fundamentals and over time happened onto a style without ever really knowing the science of style. Every professional art field understands this is what style is, comic books, concept art, and fine art as well. This is exactly why after a year im able to teach my students about how to find their style, its how i can do, and make any style of graffiti i want to on the spot, as well as understand any style in graffiti and break it down, its how i was able to jump into concept art and do various styles in that field, as well as do hyperrealism, and even comic book coloring. I respect your professional skill you may have but put simply you're wrong. style is factually not a topic you know enough about to debate, you've shown that with your comment "Style>Technique" as part of what makes a style is technique. Now I've been on youtube long enough to know this convo can get dragged on for 10 more messages and i don't have time for that, that's why i made sure to make this one long enough to give you the proper attention rather than being dismissive about it with a 1 sentence reply. I have to go on about my day and get work down and I cant spend more time explaining the basics of something that you should have learned while being classically trained. Hopefully, you can take the facts for what they are and not feel the need to protect an ego and try to "win points" in a debate like most do and accept the fact that maybe i know something you dont and you can take this chance to learn. im sure you know things i dont in art, this topic of style isn't one of them. Have a nice day.
I wish I'd understand everything you taught me since all these years of watching your vids but my English is not good enough, I miss all the technical vocabulary to be mentored by a stranger speaking a different language across the world. I still think I got a good part of it, thanks for walking us through our art journey peace
i saw both your commments so please allow me to address the other here too. first, avoid mentors at all costs, OR get a fine art mentor and avoid graffiti mentors. The reason being is graffiti mentors have no idea what they're doing, and they have less of an idea of how to explain it or how it works. I've seen legends mentor, top world class writers mentor and i have NEVER seen a good graffiti mentor. They'll do more damage than good, unless the only thing they're teaching you is the ropes (not the artform). that's all they're good for. As for making letters, keep it simple practice the basics, basic print font hand styles and straight letters with ZERO style. learn the how the basic print font functions.
You're better off without a mentor. That's what this video was all about. They'll do more damage than any good trust me you're better off without one. Unless you find a fine art mentor
If basic info is over analyzing then that says more about you than anything else because all of this, my whole channel is common sense for most other artforms.
@@Theartistblock Understanding the fundamentals of art is like understanding music theory, it’s useful but you’re still always going to have the Jimi Hendrix’s who just rip with no formal knowledge
RIP to my best friend & one of my mentors, SOCO ..ready go.
@@kingflakez1012 🤙
It doesent matter if you know the science behind it this is funny🤣🤣🤣
So i think everyone here can be happy that they discovered your channel and learn from your vids. And special thanks for spending your time reacting to DMs and doing critiques
Agreed. This man knows what he’s talking about
I appreciate it man I really do. Thanks a million for the kind words
I consider You to be my mentor. I appreciate all the knowledge brother.
That's really kind man! And to be real, I really see it the same, the internet's graffiti mentor lol
@@Theartistblock You truly are!
Facts bruv! My graffiti mentors I didn't want to talk cuz they didn't know what they hell they were saying, they just were dope on the wall, so I had to pick apart their work myself to learn from it better than they could ever explain shit on their own.
100% this is legit 99% percent of mentors in graffiti. It's a damn shame too because they cant even explain the most basic of things
Bro the way you talk about graffiti makes me feel like you ain’t ever really been out there like that
I assume its because i blatantly dissuade people from doing it illegally and i do that specifically because of my time on the streets. any responsible adult would dissuade people from doing it illegally. other than that, you have no real good reason to say what you said.
I never had a mentor per se because I'm self taught. I've had people ask me how to get better, but its hard for me to describe what I mean thru text and get the right verbiage across for them to understand in the sense that I know what to do in my head, if that makes sense.
I'm sure you've done the same where you do whatever and go "this is how you go" and then go "hang on, it's way too far ahead for them". Even now as I'm typing this it's hard to find the words I wanna use because I know what I mean in my head
Thats why taking lessons to learn fine art fundamentals is so useful. One of the things those kind of lessons will teach you is the words to use and how to describe what you're thinking in your head.
For example, I naturally started making some elements of my drawings flow very early on in my 'journey'. I had an intrinsic understanding that what I was doing was a concept of some sort, but in my head I was describing it as "going with the curve" or something like that and I didn't know all the aspects of flow like different types, what effect they achieved etc. Since watching these videos and also a bunch of lectures on all sorts of fundamental concepts from several different artists (it's nice to get a range of perspectives), I'd feel confident trying to teach someone about either graff OR fine art up to pretty much an entry professional level. I already have taught several younger people all sorts of stuff, some of which helped them improve their work instantly in a way they could clearly see and understand. I even made a handful of fans here and there, people who will still occasionally dm me for advice about stuff and I always seem to be able to give them something helpful they can take away.
All of those lessons and interactions have only been possible through learning fine art fundamentals and the terminology/language that goes along with it. It's what brought all the loose threads together and bundled them up into a working knowledge of how to art, and without it I'd likely still be exactly where you're at - head full of knowledge and no words to explain any of it to others without having to resort to a visual demo.
Oh that's the other thing I reckon helped me a lot- answering art questions via text. It forces me to find words that can explain things with 0 gestures or visual aids so you have to think hard to find a way to do it and then read your own words to see if it would make sense in someone else's mind. Then over time your explanations get more concise and effective as you get multiple chances to explain the same concepts to different people. And the more concise yet accurate and clear your answers become, the deeper your understanding of the concepts.
Speaking of being concise, I've said more than enough and will shut up now. 😅
This is spot on with most mentors, and it's pretty much what I talk about near the end where I say the artist can be really sick, insanely great but the knowledge is locked in their head and they struggle to teach. Shame too because there really is plenty of incredible artists out there with great stuff to share
@@Theartistblock I guess some artists are much better at showing and telling than others. It's not necessarily a bad thing in my opinion.
It's like public speaking in a way in that some are gifted with that ability to get through to people, but others freeze up and get stage fright in a way
Bro.... you have so much content I can constantly go back and forth for years to keep my knowledge fresh. Appreciate you bro. And ever writer in this community 🤘
I've learned so much from you! We had a free art studio open up here for our community and the lady wants me to teach a class and I just don't feel I know enough to be able to teach in a helpful way and I'm not a great teacher in general. So it was good to hear this "mentors can have good information but can do more harm then good" and that's how I feel I would be in that situation
Lol I mean depending on the context of the class itself you could just teach people to have fun and enjoy themselves. That's a lot of what Greenranger does here on TH-cam and I have tons of respect for him. In fact people have commented on my vids saying how he taught them to enjoy graffiti while I taught them how to get better. With that said, to teach fun, the context of the in person class needs to be right for it. If you'll be teaching people who actually want to learn how to do graffiti then it's a different story. In that case I'd say just teach them the basic boxes ( I have vids explaining the topic). Encourage them to keep things simple and basic print font so they can actually learn how graffiti works.
Thanks for the vid grim, I was on of the ppl that asked these questions lol
lol oh no worries man, plenty of people have been hitting me with this as of late
Tbh I learn alot from like un edited like full length videos of pieces, and trying to understand the how and why, example Sofles his real-time videos.
(I love using Sofles because he's so good and creative and then I won't have to question if I'm learning something "wrong" if you understand what I mean?)
I have a paper on the basic elements of art & art specific fundamentals and then while watching I try to look for how they apply all of this.
Write it down and try to add a simple drawing for it behind it that shows the basic principle on how to apply it.
And when I don't know what to draw I have these sheets that are filled with alot of different examples and Ideas of what is possible and then I try to apply it and if it doesn't work out like I thought it would, I just go back to the video and look for what I did wrong or why it didn't work.
Me and one of my mates go through each others sketches when we have a blackbook session n get each others opinions on them of what could be added,slightly changed,anything taken out of it or even what could make it look more clean it’s always good to get another person’s perspective on ur work as they can sometimes see something you dont
Not everyone is a "Teacher" or has the ability to. I know people who are masters in their crafts (outside of the art world) and just don't possess the skills to teach that craft. Teaching is a whole skill set within itself. While I agree with a lot of what you said (at a VERY high rate of speed) Regardless of technique, art is subjective. Always has been and always will be. So one might say that the right technique is tossed to the side for one's own interpretation of what they view as "art." Not to say it's wrong, but yes, fundamentals are important, but it's those that live outside that box and push boundaries who stand out. Double-edged sword really.
Very well said 👏
I never had a mentor, but I did have a background in art early on so I do know that helped a lot.
Yo r u that dude on tiktok?
@@theretronians well, I am on tiktok. 🤷🏻♂️ so idk maybe 🤔
@@graffitihandstyles 🤔🤔🤔
So true about learning the fundamentals of fine art from the boring thumb nails to a finished piece. I'm so happy that you put this out there for up and coming graffiti artist to be inspired to gain knowledge in three fundamentals of art. Dr. GRIM speeding truth
You are like the god of graff knowledge. great vid as always man
Criminally underated!!!!!!
bruh
100 percent factual!!! I would talk to some really dope writers and it seemed like they would give the most vague description of what they were doing, you had to break shit down yourself. Like they had a secret code they didn't want to give out. Dumb shit!!!!
honestly, i could have just shown this comment and ended the video right after and you would have said it better than me lol you hit the nail on the head
A lot of people used to/still do think that there IS some kind of secret that you get told at some point. Like when the graffiti gods decide you are ready to be anointed and declared an "Official Graffiti King" so they send their angels to you to coach you in like... idk, "the way of the burner" or something and then you wake up the next day to find you've turned into Banksy.
Ironic that the universal behaviours/lessons that led to this notion of a "secret technique" was more of a "I really dunno" the whole time 😂
@@Loctorak absolutely agree 💯. 😂🤣
The thing that bummed me out the most, at least in my city wich has a very small graffiti scene, is that the older writers that have been doing it for 30 years are just not wanting to spend their time with newer writers teaching them how it works, if they can even explain it technically like you do in your videos. If you are gonna call me a toy in person at least try telling me why it doesn't work, because we both know you are gonna see me writing everywhere regardless.
I dont need a mentor, i just need more mates doing graff since the only guy i go out with is always busy bruh
So i've went to this camp (now my 4th year going to that camp) to see what graffiti was all about and the mentor called Maxo he owns a graffiti shop called Spray & Play he also organises the event Meeting Of Styles in Antwerp. And he learned me the basics. From the history of graffiti to tags to throw ups to pieces until burners he has really good can control but never saw his work.
Hey man thanks for the vids, very helpful! One thing I’m struggling with is getting the letter size that I’m going after. Meaning, sometimes in creating a width that looks proportionate to the rest of the letter, I end up making the letter bigger or smaller than I wanted it to be. How do I fix this?
And how do I choose appropriate widths for the different parts of a letter? Because sometimes for example, the top of an s could be fat, then the middle skinny, and then the bottom fat again. But are there any common rules to follow for any letter to make widths that look like they make sense or look cool? Thanks
Lucky me, came at it from the art and printing industry side. But Dude… you’re my mentor already.
Hey man can you make a video on realistic art fundamentals? like the stuff at 7:00. shits crazy brother
Those are really "realism" in the way I think you mean it. Those pics look as good as they do because of things like 2/3 point perspective, cast shadows and light sources, foreshortening, vector lines, all the letter stuff Grims mentioned in previous videos, drawing from references and probably several other fundamentals.
If you learn and understand the concepts that Grim has shown in all the videos he's made so far, then you will either know how to approach making something similar or at least understand why you're currently unable to.
@@Loctorak thanks for pointing me in the right direction 🙏🏻
You sir do something very few do I appreciate you
Its as if one has so much time on there hands but no time to be open for learning.
Ego Paleolithic driven brain has huge shortcomings.
Lets get one thing str8 you have graffiti writer and muralist. Now in days muralist think they are graffiti artist and honesty they are not. Muralist fell in love with graffiti and started learning to do lettering shit some even bring a long real graffiti writers that have perfected their style throughout the years. So the technique you talk about is that of a muralist and someone who studied art. Graffiti is just that ilegal shit that people have perfected and added their own twist to it. Whether is 3D, arrows etc.
Welp that's factually wrong and couldn't be farther from the truth. Graffiti follows the elements of art and has artform specific fundamentals. There is no arguing that, if you disagree youd have to prove that wrong and its literally not possible to do so
Yes you are one of the better tutorial TH-camrs some just confuse you, you take the time to explain how things work
IISIVEII is another good teacher
@@enderdub9399 yea n nahh, kinda found his throwie style one confusing, skipped steps then went back.... May rewatch it tho now I got a basic understanding of the concept
Do a “Art Fundamentals & 3 pillows of Art “ video to tie in traditional art with what we all know. STREET. - ARSEN TNS VA757 writing since ‘07 ✌️
Lol I pretty much have over 100 vids doing pretty .uch that in various ways. It's really the only thing iv been teaching the past 12 years iv been on YT
Yeah man idk, so I've been sort of learning by watching this guy called Grim who makes videos here on TH-cam but I have doubts because I don't know how he feels about fundamentals or if he even believes in them. 🤔
You heard of this dude? Any experience?
idk about you but i saw an exposed video about him that showed he doesnt believe in the fundamentals. it had secret recordings of him admitting the fundamentals are a big joke he made up so idk about him dude lol
@@Theartistblock yea, he’s up to something
Aw man I think TH-cam modded my post cause it likes to think I'm spam.
Rest assured, I said a funny thing. 😎
Nice video! Do you also have more videos explaining the fundamentals of fine art?
Tbf everyone learns differently too, for some people what they hear goes in one ear and out the other
Just do whatever you want!!
My videos are for people who want to learn and improve. If someone wants to do whatever they want then they're more than welcome. I put out info for those who want it
Im faaaar from being a master chef, but my spaghetti sauce kicks ass!
its delicios! bro
lol the question is, would ramsy approve?!
He'd get pissed once he'd see what i do with it after i reckon haha
@@blipsqueek hahaha
i wanna do graffiti but i dont want my record ruined so idrk what to do
MORE ARROWS!! 👀
if you wanna be taught fundamentals and stuff you go to an art school not in a crackheads' crew, if you wanna get up you just get crack pls stop making graff look like art and open and so friendly to newbies, graffiti is a jungle, you don't get taught to survive, you teach yourself.
We have a locall hall of fame were all artist hang out and paint pieces.
Nice video Grim btw you forgot the letter i after graffiti in the title
Lol oh dude thankyou I would have never noticed hahaha I appreciate it lol
yt notis finally working for me
lol they never work for anyone i think lol
are you saying "art from specific fundamentals?"
Lol yes. Every time I say it I think to myself " i definitely slur these words together"
I seen you pump up that kid draco "badkidD" in Portugal when his graffiti tips are ass straight up . Sup w that ?kinda contradict what your saying .
How is being friends with someone contradicting what I'm saying. Him and I spoke over DM and he was chill with me, it was a great talk. Being friends with someone doesnt mean I'm contradicting much of anything, we both do our thing. you see me promoting his lessons, do you see me doing the series where I trash tutorials any more, no. I still have the best info online though and that's fine, that doesnt mean I need to attack my many friends who make informational content. Its rude to bait controversy especially between people who've become friendly, dont do that dude. Also no hate to you man I know you're a welcome and kind part of this community so sorry if this comment came off wrong lol it's all in good spirits .
@@Theartistblock nah I'm not sensitive. Just saying he's not knowledgeable to
be trying to teach graffiti. But yet has all. These big names like yourself follow and pumping him up like he's not toy: when there's a gang of better artist not getting the credit where it's due . . . Not stirring anything up was just curious to know .
@@frostysworld1083 most graffiti artists, pretty much every graffiti artist doesnt know the science of graffiti enough to teach it. Iv only met 2 that knew at the caliber enough to teach it and none of them were on social media teaching at all so your statement rings true for pretty much ever graffiti content creator and consumer out there as a result it's weird to judge him on something 99% of the community is guilty of. With that said hes factually not a toy though and its objectively wrong to say he is. His fundamentals are good and that's a factual thing. It's ok to not like his work or him as a person but if you're going to talk about skill, well thats a measurable truth for anyone, including him. So no hes not toy at all and that's why myself and other bigger names follow him, because we like and respect his factually good work.
@@Theartistblock nah I'm not judging him from that . If you seen the work he is putting on his "tutorials" it's CLEARLY TOY and many people would agree. The fact you don't surprises me as I've seen all your vids and you've critiqued people on things that well he seems to lack but fsho yea I get you and what your saying. Lol
@@frostysworld1083 lol no I think you're missing my whole point, once again, I dont promote his tutorials, I see they need work, and I just dont attack him for it is all. His other content is what i enjoy, his other content is factually good. I state in the last comment that just like 99% of graffiti artists his teaching isnt the best. I'm agreeing with you on the teaching but I'm also saying that hes my homie so I dont tear into him for it, and I'm simply not being as harsh about it as you are, I dont see the need or feel its necessary to be so harsh, I just leave it alone is all. I can see it's not that he doesnt know his stuff (this is factually shown when he gets up) , it's just that like 99% of graffiti artists he isnt a teacher. If I had to respond and rip into every single tutorial that wasnt up to par that would be the only content I put out because pretty much no tutorial is up to par in graffiti because most graffiti artists arent teachers and cant articulate what they know to teach it or they dont know the science. I have plenty of content creator friends who've made tutorials, some of the teachings are for sure flawed but no one hits me up about those, nor have I talked about those out of respect, and I will never talk about those but people want me to talk about draco as if his is any different. Once again, pretty much every tutorial out there needs work, I'm just asking instead of drawing the line at him, understand 99% of writers and graffiti artists tutorials are on the same level because once again, they're not teachers.
Once again most people's tutorials arent up to par, I find it strange people are suddenly so harsh when it comes to him when his tutorials arent any different than anyone else's, it seems more like a personal attack at him because people are eating up tutorials that are worse and loving it. That shows me that it's less about his tutorials and more that people dont like him. For some reason hes got ton of haters that bash anything he does without bashing others whose work is of a lesser skill or quality. When that's the case these people have to either let up on him if they arent going to bash other content creators tutorials of the same quality or they have to bash those other content creators too but they dont. I rather they didnt bash anyone lol but I'm saying that to make a point of the hypocrisy of singling him out when everyone else's is no different. Its shown simply by the fact that you came here only asking about him rather than asking about a list of others. I'm aware people dont like him, but try to separate emotion and fact and apply that judgment you put on him to everyone else as well or no one at all. I could see if he had toy tags and throwups and he was new to graffiti then fine but that's not the case. Once again it's just like every graffiti artist, he knows his stuff but hes not a teacher and struggles to articulate it. Legends have tutorials and books out there that are worse, but we see they know their stuff, hes no different.
Sorry for the novel lol I wanted to be clear so my words dont get misconstrued or twisted.
Ook so I read your title as DOES (as the writer DOES ) your mentor suck ... And I was like wtf!!? You should really put a questionmark there, just saying!
lol thanks for letting me know man, I was going to take your advice and add the question mark but I changed the title to something I felt was more engaging. i appreciate you looking out
If Grim posted a video saying "DOES sucks" my eyebrows would launch into orbit as my eyes leaped from my skull and slid directly into the internet to go to TH-cam (and witness the drama on a binary level).
It'd be so unbelievable that I don't even believe unbelievable is a believable term to describe it.
@@Theartistblock appreciate your knowledge man , im happy i could be helpful
Made no mention the word "style" during your entire dissertation...
Style>Technique
Always...
Feel free to go that rout no ones stopping you man. Enjoy what you create and if that's what works for you then go for it
@@Theartistblock Well, as a classically trained artist, and as someone with tenure in the game, I believe you've failed your mentees by not ensuring you've entrusted them with a valuable lesson about the simple fact since the dawn of actual graffiti. That style trumps technique.
Don't go to a sick doctor if you want to get healthy...
@@Wetworks results are what matter, my teaching gets results, and have been getting results for well over a decade. you can be classicly trained, tenured and whatever else you want to be but none of that matters when once again my teaching works. Now I tried to leave the convo and let you do you without sparking anything but respectfully, you're flat out wrong. good fundamentals are what make style possible and that's an objective fact not up for debate. If you can't see that then your classical training didn't really train you at all and in that case, it's not me who's failed as a teacher, it was your teachers who failed.
There's a difference in what someone "wants to be" & exactly "what one exactly "is"
My body of work burner wise, as well as professionally, design wise in the advertising as well as fashion world speaks clearly for itself. No ego-inflation nor flex intended, but to erudite in an inaccurate manner one of the clear foundations of true graffiti. Is definitely a disservice to the craft itself.
@@Wetworks well like i said before, results cant be denied so your accomplishments arent taken as a flex at least not by me lol but i too have achievements that i can throw around, so neither of our accomplishments really matter, what matters are facts, not what we've accomplished in our professional lives.
On that note, the fact is, my teaching gets results. most graffiti artists take decades to learn and achieve what I achieve and teach in just a year in my students. that's no easy feat and i find it crazy you'd consider that a failure. style factually, objectively is the exaggeration of the fundamentals, that's a definitive truth, so you can't have style without learning the basics as style is literally the exaggeration of the basics. The fact you sat here and said "Style>Technique", tells me you don't know this fact, meaning your classical training failed you. Your whole argument hinges on this fact too and it's why you're simply flat out wrong. IF you know how style factually functioned you never would have said "Style>Technique", so the fact that you said that tells me you're not qualified to have a debate about style specifically as you dont know how it even works. Thats not to say you dont know anything, that's not to say you're dumb or not professional, its just to say you dont know the science behind style and therefore cant debate about the topic against someone who does. This also isn't to say you dont have style, as I think, like most graffiti artists, you simply learned some fundamentals and over time happened onto a style without ever really knowing the science of style. Every professional art field understands this is what style is, comic books, concept art, and fine art as well. This is exactly why after a year im able to teach my students about how to find their style, its how i can do, and make any style of graffiti i want to on the spot, as well as understand any style in graffiti and break it down, its how i was able to jump into concept art and do various styles in that field, as well as do hyperrealism, and even comic book coloring.
I respect your professional skill you may have but put simply you're wrong. style is factually not a topic you know enough about to debate, you've shown that with your comment "Style>Technique" as part of what makes a style is technique. Now I've been on youtube long enough to know this convo can get dragged on for 10 more messages and i don't have time for that, that's why i made sure to make this one long enough to give you the proper attention rather than being dismissive about it with a 1 sentence reply. I have to go on about my day and get work down and I cant spend more time explaining the basics of something that you should have learned while being classically trained. Hopefully, you can take the facts for what they are and not feel the need to protect an ego and try to "win points" in a debate like most do and accept the fact that maybe i know something you dont and you can take this chance to learn. im sure you know things i dont in art, this topic of style isn't one of them. Have a nice day.
I wish I'd understand everything you taught me since all these years of watching your vids but my English is not good enough, I miss all the technical vocabulary to be mentored by a stranger speaking a different language across the world. I still think I got a good part of it, thanks for walking us through our art journey peace
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What you write and where you from in nyc, who you rocccck with
Question the best way of doing dominant letters like my name? (dell) show me something that can get me started
What’s your tag name ?
I became a mentor haha
Your funny always hating on someone
How do u get a mentor first of all 😂
i saw both your commments so please allow me to address the other here too. first, avoid mentors at all costs, OR get a fine art mentor and avoid graffiti mentors. The reason being is graffiti mentors have no idea what they're doing, and they have less of an idea of how to explain it or how it works. I've seen legends mentor, top world class writers mentor and i have NEVER seen a good graffiti mentor. They'll do more damage than good, unless the only thing they're teaching you is the ropes (not the artform). that's all they're good for. As for making letters, keep it simple practice the basics, basic print font hand styles and straight letters with ZERO style. learn the how the basic print font functions.
i learned everything i know from spit. rip
Anyone in Seattle wanting to be a mentor? I’m in need 😫
You're better off without a mentor. That's what this video was all about. They'll do more damage than any good trust me you're better off without one. Unless you find a fine art mentor
@@Theartistblock fosho man I’ve had one encounter with a older guy and all he did was bash on my can 🤧😂 thank you for your videos tho they help a lot
please answer my email
This guy way over thinks and analyzes art itself...
If basic info is over analyzing then that says more about you than anything else because all of this, my whole channel is common sense for most other artforms.
@@Theartistblock Understanding the fundamentals of art is like understanding music theory, it’s useful but you’re still always going to have the Jimi Hendrix’s who just rip with no formal knowledge
Nerd
Do you do stickers sell and ship?
no, i never really got into sticker sales, but iv always loved stickers so who knows. maybe ill look into that
All of this content is cringe AF.