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I remember as a kid, when Henry Cisneros ran for mayor in San Antonio, and he pushed for this new stadium the "Alamo Dome" and he PROMISED that San Antonio would get a pro football team from the NFL, and he said..."If you build it they will come!".... the PROBLEM is ... San Antonio had A LOT OF Dallas Cowboy fans AND Houston Oilers fans...
Hey Brodie! Got a bit of experience with the San Antonio side of things... First... the City of San Antonio has regularly said that the Alamodome is a profitable facility for the city -- despite not having a regular tenant. Lots of events, concerts, tournaments, etc. go through the Alamodome. From a financial perspective for the city -- since it is the explanation they have given before about renovations of the facility -- it views a project like an Alamodome renovation as an investment into something that is actively making the city money. Second... the courthouse mentioned is a federal courthouse that I believe is no longer being used. I can't remember if there was an ownership transfer of it to the city or not (I think the city and feds did a land swap for a new federal courthouse). It is in an area the city has been actively working to make into more of a community park in the middle of San Antonio. Third... this project is more a renovation of that project area that has already been ongoing. The city has been investing in upgrades to that area -- known as Hemisfair -- in recent years. Where the proposed Spurs arena sits is generally the same "neighborhood" where the old Hemisfair Arena was (part of the convention center is where the arena's footprint was). Although this is a "big" project... it's really a continuation of its previous efforts in the area. Fourth... the arena age thing is actually a really interesting area to dig into a little further. One thing to note is that there is a little bit of politics at play here. Frost Bank Center is owned by Bexar County -- not the city. This project is by... the city. The Alamodome and Hemisfair Arena are/were owned by the city -- but when the Spurs felt the city-owned football stadium turned basketball arena was too cavernous less than a decade into their time there... they worked with the county to build the then-new arena they currently call home. That arena is next to... another arena (Freeman Coliseum, also owned by the county). Frost Bank Center was viewed as a project -- somewhat like Wolff Stadium, home to the AA-level San Antonio Missions -- to rejuvenate economically depressed areas of the city. That did not pan out. If this plan goes forward, it will be interesting to see what happens with Frost Bank Center. It will definitely have a purpose with the San Antonio Stock Show and Rodeo, as it does currently with Freeman Coliseum (and a new arena would alleviate the "rodeo road trips" the Spurs do every year) -- but was built as a basketball/concert arena. Hockey has been played there, but compromised like Barclays Center... a new arena could be designed to accommodate the occasional or minor league hockey events. Fifth... you mentioned they should just focus -- within this project -- on one part of it at a time. The city specifically mentioned it would be doing that. The city's presentation makes it look like it is one project... in reality, it is just a master plan like designing a new neighborhood. Each part of it -- from my understanding by what the CoSA has said -- is a separate project and will be prepared as such. It wants to expand the convention center... it wants another hotel in the area... etc., etc....
I would like to also add that if the timelines seem off it's because it is. The timeline for this project has been moved up about 5 years because they got the generational talent Victor Wembanyama. This is to keep him in San Antonio and for the city to use him to generate interest in the project.
Do you know what would actively make the city money all the time and not just with events? A hypertrain going to all 3 major metropolises. That's what Texans have been asking for, not this. Sure it's outsiders to come but they can do that later when they take care of its people first by allowing inter-city travel and bringing even more money in instead it staying in one area of the state more. All the good paying jobs are out in Austin and Dallas mostly, that would be huge to travel from SA or Houston to Dallas / FT Worth in less than 30 minutes.
I work in San Antonio and live north of the city. SATX sorely needs an upgrade. Theres massive highway construction going on on I35 and 1604. SATX has fallen behind Dallas, Houston and Austin on attracting company, events and money
San Antonio needs to take the gamble and go BIG with this. Our Airport is also undergoing a $1.2 Billion expansion. . As a life long SA resident we are being left behind by Austin, Dallas, and Houston. . If we ever hope on being a competitive city to attract business and opportunity then we have to make this investment
Agreed. We have a decision to make as city. Grow and evolve or stay a small town. Not a fan of dealing with even more construction but the pain would be worth it long term. Not to mention we could lose the Spurs to Austin if we don't love forward.
@@Reyes29rr I’m kind of with you on that one. Part of the problem right now is San Antonio has way too many working poor people and not enough upper middle-class people to support bigger venues and paying for a new stadiums. We need to educate and diversify our workforce. I would only be down for a new arena and a new convention center. If it was going to bring more high pay jobs not low paying hospitality jobs.
San Antonio is also building a new AAA Baseball stadium. Alamodome remodel will help with recruiting for UTSA football, keep final four, hopefully have NBA all-star game, help Brahmas have a better stadium.
While the Alamodome has yet to land a NFL team, I haven't given up... Sprucing up the Alamodome won't hurt that effort, if anything improves landing a NFL team... The combined metros of San Antonio and Austin is approaching the metros of DFW and Houston, and may in the future surpass both...
@@ronclark9724NFL has no desire to bring a team to the 23rd and 27th largest media markets, San Antonio and Austin in that order. Even with the projected future population of 7million plus between the two metros but the MLB very much sees Central Texas as a top expansion priority, fortunately
SA resident here: The FBC by itself is not a bad arena, but the surrounding area is horrible. Also getting to and from is a nightmare. Big fan of project marvel
@@MrEOM41 but that’s the thing it would be much cheaper to build around the Frost Bank Center then to pay for premium land downtown that is already bustling and thrive anyway. it would be cheaper and improve the area if they bought out some of those warehouses and stuff over there and turned that into the entertainment hub
As a current San Marcos TX resident who has been to San Antonio facilities including seeing the Spurs play at the Hemisphere and Alamo Dome, I do agree that the Alamo Dome needs to be upgraded. A new Spurs arena means that they would have to take the annual “Rodeo Road Trip” as the rodeo can have the Frost Bank Center to themselves. I could see the NFL someday expanding to San Antonio but not MLB. If MLB comes to central Texas IMO it will be in Austin/South Austin.
I would love for the new spurs to be downtown. Where they plan to put it you have the Tower of Americas, the convention center, part of the river walk, River Center Mall and the Alamo all within a 10 -15 minute walking distance. If the Spurs ever win another championship they whole area will go crazy
@@ronclark9724 You do to accommodate all the new traffic and pedestrian flow to that area. The more you have for people to do the better it is for the city and area.
They need to make sure when they’re building it that there’s gonna be shit around it. I’m tired of going to arenas where it’s in the middle of nowhere or in a random suburb. Alamodome is by far worse with amenities, but I always have a lot more fun going there because there’s a lot of things to do around there. There’s hotels in like walking distance there’s bars shit there’s a station right next to there while the Spurs Arena there is literally nothing to do around there. It’s you go to the game and then you leave and then it’s fucking hell on earth to get out of there
This sounds like San Antonio put in place a committee similar to what you suggested Oakland should do in a video earlier this week. They now have a foundation to work from.
San Antonio is already being fused into Austin in an attempt to make a mega city but honestly if you asking for billions give us a mega project rebuild the stadium try to involve the Alamo colleges to promote a bigger college sports events in an attempt to bring in a permanent set of teams be it basketball, football, and any other sports the sky is the limit for the city don’t hold back
@@orangeboy240 It's an internet meme from him commenting (on multiple occasions) on the way the women look in San Antonio versus anywhere else, i.e., they're all overweight.
It needs to be done! I really hate that the Spurs currently are in the deadest part of town. Nothing ever developed over there in the eastside. They did buy the land next to the Alamodome Downtown so it's getting done, one way or another.🎉Go SPURS Go🎉
I went to the Alamodome when Stanford went to the Alamo Bowl back in 2017. I like it. Also, keep in mind that the current Spurs arena also hosts livestock events, which is why it's outside of downtown.
Yeah, where the Spurs Arena is there is nothing around there. It’s in the middle of a suburb and any person that’s ever gone to event in San Antonio most of the time even if the facilities are worse in the Alamodome, the location makes it better because there’s so many hotels. You’re like two or 3 miles from the river rock there’s a lot of bars there’s just a lot more things to do downtown and I always have way more fun when I go to the Alamodome because I could just walk there from my hotel
Current Spurs is on rodeo/fair grounds. Dome is used a lot by convention center. It ha worked and been better for city . I think it would not have been successful it it had a"major" tennant
They built the Alamodome for expansion in 1993 and weren't selected. The teams went to Carolina and Jacksonville. Memphis, Baltimore, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Charlotte, and San Antonio were all bidding for those teams. St. Louis and San Antonio started building new stadiums in hopes of getting a team and neither got one. Then St. Louis was supposed to get a relocated New England Patriots before Robert Kraft stepped in and stopped it. It's why the seats in St. Louis were red.
there is less and less parking downtown, and it's getting $$$$$$$. the current city management does not want more autos/ big ass trucks towntown....they want us on bikes. I was born downtown, and still love it, but this is the wrong direction, IMHO. could be worng,,,just say'in
The Tampa Bay Rays should reach out to SA, we are currently building a new AAA stadium for the Missions. If the Rays got involved we could upgrade the plan towards an MLB ballpark instead.
Horrible location for the frost bank center nothing is out there alot smarter to have it downtown where before and after games and events you can still do something
For real, they’re almost always held in AT&T stadium for championships I know for the first couple rounds of high school for me. We went to San Antonio and played in the Alamodome three or four times.
@@dsbeats5657 Yep. Alamadome can't host because of UIL rules about having 4 equal locker rooms or something. Maybe some other stuff. That's why a full renovation would be needed.
While the Alamodome has yet to land a NFL team, I have not given up. Sprucing up the Alamodome won't hurt, if anything doing so will increase landing a NFL team...
@@ronclark9724if by sprucing up you mean extensive demolition okay. Have you seen recent opened NFL stadiums and plans? I had attended AT&T and Allegiant Stadium prior to a Brahmas game at the Alamodome and the differences between the two facilities is not even a discussion. The Alamodome, iconic in name and 4 pillars, feels like a concrete tomb.
This comment piggy backs on your prior video about the Tampa Bat Rays possible location outcomes. Since San Antonio won’t be getting an NFL franchise anytime soon (thanks to Jerry Jones), why not reimagine the Alamodome to be used primarily as a baseball field? UTSA football and the Valero Alamo Bowl could still be played on it much like college football games are played in Yankee Stadium l, but with some possible seat modifications to accommodate football games. The Tampa Bay Rays could move there and attract fans as far away as Austin. Heck, they could even keep the sound of the their team name the same by simply rebranding the club as the “Reys”.
Blitz, They didn't build the AlamoDome's roof high enough for baseball. They said there wasn't enough land and the height needed would be out of proportion!
The rays should definitely reach out to SA we are currently building a new AAA stadium for the Missions. If the Rays got involved we could upgrade the plan towards an MLB ballpark instead.
This is literally my neighborhood. I live 900 ft from the tower, inside hemisfair. And I feel like I’m the only one who has been stoked for these upgrades. Needless to say, it’s going to happen no matter weather the citizens of SA want it or not. 2028 is the goal.
This shit is weird, that land where the institute building is is too small for an arena, the location where they want the missions ball park is in a weird ghetto part of downtown and not even a big difference location wise from the original. The Alamodome is just that, it was a wasteful expense that they were fortunate enough to make decent use of it these last 30 years. It would not be worth the cost to upgrade that. For what? Another final four? The final four is like the double A of baseball of sporting events. We already have one of those. The world is not gonna end if San Antonio doesn’t get another final four. San Antonio should suck it up and honor the original idea of the sbc center. You still have a decent arena, upgrade that again. Build all that fancy entertainment bs there at the current spurs site and revitalize the east side like they said they would. Missions need to build a park somewhere north of 410. Like Toyota did. They need to leave the Alamodome alone and only do regular maintenance, it will attract what it will attract. You want big, modern events, move to a bigger city.
Does not count traffic, just greedy developers that don't live downtown and don't remember how bad traffic would be. They throw a bunch of housing, now collage buildings and will kill tourists that are the bread and butter for families to relax and now you want 20k locals and cars to come down town for a long basketball season with local fans. Bad leadership, greedy, short-minded business, and plans always drop the bills on tourist taxes for downtown hotels and restaurants are trying to recover from COVID. I've lived here 11 years and have not seen a more lazy and incompetent city hall on things like this and stuck with keeping it in that same little downtown and risk killing the golden goose that is the Riverwalk.
Love San Antonio. From a utopian sports point-of-view, I always liked the Spurs sharing a building with the AHL’s Rampage. I could see MLB adding a team called the Missions someday based on precedent. And even as someone who grew up despising the Raiders, I know San Antonio would’ve supported them if the Davis family moved them into the Alamodome at least temporarily.
Houston spent millions doing the land bridge thing…it looks NOTHING like the renderings but it inconvenienced Houston’s for 5 years. The out cone was a half bake land bridge no animals use. It can be a good tool, however there is better things to spend money on.
I'd be willing to support this downtown plan if the City of San Antonio agrees to abandon their attempt to develop the section 8 "Creek Bend Apartments" located at 281 North and Borgfeld Road.
As a native San Antonian, there is absolutely no way in living hell they'll finish that in 30 years, let alone 15. Hell, it took the city 5 years to build 3 simple concrete medians to divide Fredericksburg Rd. They've been working on IH-35 and Loop 1604 since I was in high school. I graduated in 1994.
So basically, a new arena for the Spurs, and a land bridge? Because there is NO reason to "reimagine" the Alamodome with a hole in it. Now, if that "reimagining" involves just a remodel, with maybe a new style transparent roof, ala SoFi stadium, then, maybe? However, there is NO reason to effectively punch a hole in the roof of that stadium.
The Alamodome hosted 3 pro football teams first with the CFL's San Antonio Texans not the NFL's Houston Texans, the San Antonio commanders of the short-lived Alliance of American Football & currently with the San Antonio Brahmas of the UFL
I'm seeing this going on in all the major cities. Building these stadiums downtown and relocating neighborhoods in Philadelphia they are going to get rid of Chinatown which has been there over 150 years,just to put in a new arena that they just built south of center city. And the fact that San Antonio is repairing the streets downtown project that has been going on for 4years now ,some idiot thought that doing it all the same time was a great idea 😂you can drive anywhere downtown, all the streets are detoured. I feel so sorry for the tourists who come here and disappointed we they see the mess downtown. And now they want to rebuild all of downtown with stadiums and arenas , music venues and more hotels and expand the civic center. Crazy, there's no parking now,how you going to get people moving around when out transit systems are from the 1970's . Denver, Miami, San Diego all smaller cities but have better transportation systems downtown than San Antonio. I just don't see how they are going to pull it off. 😢
I cannot tell you how much I hate the Alamodome. It Never attracted the NFL as promised and was too big for a decent basketball game. And it really sucked for music concerts, too many beams blocking sight line, but most of all the acoustics were/are horrible
This is where the A's should be playing. They would sell out nightly. I know there's so called territorial rights with the Rangers and Astros but both cities are over two hours away. California has five baseball teams and Texas is bigger.
So everything in San Antonio is fixed. The roads? The flooding, when it rains? The homeless? And a host of other things that need fixed? Until then, NOPE. The Alamodome is ugly. And that monstrosity is even worse. Fix what's broken first, before you spend on things we don't need.
Meh. I’ll believe it when I see it. The Alamo dome is outdated, they need to bulldoze or down and start over, how many arenas are the spurs from a have? ALSO, downtown SA is wack and old, Sam Antonio needs a major modernization and big skyscrapers downtown
Let’s just do it. Please. We have a chance to do something great and I would love if we could please get light rail and I don’t get why that’s not a priority. The airport will honestly look nice when all the upgrades are done why not just take a chance?
Yeah, but it’s mainly the location anybody that’s gone to Frost Center can tell you there is literally nothing to do besides going to the event and that’s it I always have way more fun going to Alamodome than I do going to the frost center even though the frost center is a lot better
You say North America had to get better at building long term lasting stadiums/arenas. I think this is a false premise. We have MANY long lasting arenas/stadiums in this continent. And they take maintenance sure but don’t need to be rebuilt. But the pro sports leagues, teams, and owners have built a culture of holding fans and communities hostage to a constant WANT (not need) for new stadiums. They could use stadiums longer or self fund new ones but they don’t. Instead they just say if we don’t get new we will leave, even when the stadium would still be feasible long term.
We all love sports but I wish you guys could see the way governments and owners are stealing from you. Sure they’ll dangle bread and circuses in front of you. These projects are insanely expensive because they are giant money laundering operations. We need a serious cultural shift around this
... it's our only franchise it's going to happen...and everything will get built...the mayor is on his last year and im sure he wants that to be his legacy... getting that approved under his watch...
Brodie...you need to talk about the Cleveland Browns dome and entertainment district. It's been big news in Ohio because many AFC teams (outside the Colts) have been reluctant to build domes for the longest. Plus, there is a fight between the team and the city moving it to the suburbs on the site of a old ford plant near our airport (which is a mile down the road from the Browns HQ and training fields). Also, this has fueled Cincinnati to look at building a dome too. You have to cover this...many other channels have as well. I think the deal is using the stadiums for more than 6 games and a concert a year for the region.
As an sa resident I can tell you for a FACT that the Alamodome is useless..big concerts go to Austin...it's too big for utsa...and they throw millions at it every couple of years for upgrades for final four which still looks horrible....and we have TONS of convention space...it's never full to the point that conventions can't come..there is alot of Empty space all year round...and 75 percent of downtown is hotels...and again there is always space at one of them all year round.... this would be a gigantic waste of money..but sa is great at wasting money.....
They are renovating Alamo plaza for 400 million with that you should have expanded the convention center. They want to create a tourist trap. It's getting too expensive to visit the Alamo and Riverwalk. The city has become to Woke and liberal.
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I remember as a kid, when Henry Cisneros ran for mayor in San Antonio, and he pushed for this new stadium the "Alamo Dome" and he PROMISED that San Antonio would get a pro football team from the NFL, and he said..."If you build it they will come!".... the PROBLEM is ... San Antonio had A LOT OF Dallas Cowboy fans AND Houston Oilers fans...
Hey Brodie!
Got a bit of experience with the San Antonio side of things...
First... the City of San Antonio has regularly said that the Alamodome is a profitable facility for the city -- despite not having a regular tenant. Lots of events, concerts, tournaments, etc. go through the Alamodome. From a financial perspective for the city -- since it is the explanation they have given before about renovations of the facility -- it views a project like an Alamodome renovation as an investment into something that is actively making the city money.
Second... the courthouse mentioned is a federal courthouse that I believe is no longer being used. I can't remember if there was an ownership transfer of it to the city or not (I think the city and feds did a land swap for a new federal courthouse). It is in an area the city has been actively working to make into more of a community park in the middle of San Antonio.
Third... this project is more a renovation of that project area that has already been ongoing. The city has been investing in upgrades to that area -- known as Hemisfair -- in recent years. Where the proposed Spurs arena sits is generally the same "neighborhood" where the old Hemisfair Arena was (part of the convention center is where the arena's footprint was). Although this is a "big" project... it's really a continuation of its previous efforts in the area.
Fourth... the arena age thing is actually a really interesting area to dig into a little further. One thing to note is that there is a little bit of politics at play here. Frost Bank Center is owned by Bexar County -- not the city. This project is by... the city. The Alamodome and Hemisfair Arena are/were owned by the city -- but when the Spurs felt the city-owned football stadium turned basketball arena was too cavernous less than a decade into their time there... they worked with the county to build the then-new arena they currently call home. That arena is next to... another arena (Freeman Coliseum, also owned by the county). Frost Bank Center was viewed as a project -- somewhat like Wolff Stadium, home to the AA-level San Antonio Missions -- to rejuvenate economically depressed areas of the city. That did not pan out. If this plan goes forward, it will be interesting to see what happens with Frost Bank Center. It will definitely have a purpose with the San Antonio Stock Show and Rodeo, as it does currently with Freeman Coliseum (and a new arena would alleviate the "rodeo road trips" the Spurs do every year) -- but was built as a basketball/concert arena. Hockey has been played there, but compromised like Barclays Center... a new arena could be designed to accommodate the occasional or minor league hockey events.
Fifth... you mentioned they should just focus -- within this project -- on one part of it at a time. The city specifically mentioned it would be doing that. The city's presentation makes it look like it is one project... in reality, it is just a master plan like designing a new neighborhood. Each part of it -- from my understanding by what the CoSA has said -- is a separate project and will be prepared as such. It wants to expand the convention center... it wants another hotel in the area... etc., etc....
Dennis! That's all tremendous perspective. You obviously know it inside/out! Thanks for all the extra details.
I would like to also add that if the timelines seem off it's because it is. The timeline for this project has been moved up about 5 years because they got the generational talent Victor Wembanyama. This is to keep him in San Antonio and for the city to use him to generate interest in the project.
Do you know what would actively make the city money all the time and not just with events? A hypertrain going to all 3 major metropolises. That's what Texans have been asking for, not this. Sure it's outsiders to come but they can do that later when they take care of its people first by allowing inter-city travel and bringing even more money in instead it staying in one area of the state more. All the good paying jobs are out in Austin and Dallas mostly, that would be huge to travel from SA or Houston to Dallas / FT Worth in less than 30 minutes.
I work in San Antonio and live north of the city. SATX sorely needs an upgrade. Theres massive highway construction going on on I35 and 1604. SATX has fallen behind Dallas, Houston and Austin on attracting company, events and money
San Antonio needs to take the gamble and go BIG with this. Our Airport is also undergoing a $1.2 Billion expansion.
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As a life long SA resident we are being left behind by Austin, Dallas, and Houston.
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If we ever hope on being a competitive city to attract business and opportunity then we have to make this investment
Agreed. We have a decision to make as city. Grow and evolve or stay a small town. Not a fan of dealing with even more construction but the pain would be worth it long term. Not to mention we could lose the Spurs to Austin if we don't love forward.
How about poor that funding into the city underprivileged youth roads better community centers start helping the people of San Antonio
@@Reyes29rr I’m kind of with you on that one. Part of the problem right now is San Antonio has way too many working poor people and not enough upper middle-class people to support bigger venues and paying for a new stadiums. We need to educate and diversify our workforce. I would only be down for a new arena and a new convention center. If it was going to bring more high pay jobs not low paying hospitality jobs.
@@Reyes29rrthis would help the city get more tax revenue to allocate to those projects.
@@Reyes29rr Throwing money at poor people doesn't make a difference. They need to be taught how to get themselves out of poverty
San Antonio is also building a new AAA Baseball stadium. Alamodome remodel will help with recruiting for UTSA football, keep final four, hopefully have NBA all-star game, help Brahmas have a better stadium.
AA but yes. This would be huge for our city
While the Alamodome has yet to land a NFL team, I haven't given up... Sprucing up the Alamodome won't hurt that effort, if anything improves landing a NFL team... The combined metros of San Antonio and Austin is approaching the metros of DFW and Houston, and may in the future surpass both...
We tried AAA it didn’t even last a year. There’s nothing wrong w/ Nelson Wolff Ballpark
@@ronclark9724NFL has no desire to bring a team to the 23rd and 27th largest media markets, San Antonio and Austin in that order. Even with the projected future population of 7million plus between the two metros but the MLB very much sees Central Texas as a top expansion priority, fortunately
6:30 It also hosts the San Antonio Rodeo on a yearly basis which is a big deal.
SA resident here:
The FBC by itself is not a bad arena, but the surrounding area is horrible. Also getting to and from is a nightmare.
Big fan of project marvel
Upgrade the area
Upgrade the area
@@dreamcage1801the area did get upgraded… it’s not much around it mostly an industrial area
@@MrEOM41 but that’s the thing it would be much cheaper to build around the Frost Bank Center then to pay for premium land downtown that is already bustling and thrive anyway. it would be cheaper and improve the area if they bought out some of those warehouses and stuff over there and turned that into the entertainment hub
San Antonio is missing out on a gold mine of marketing by not giving Charles Barkley a key to the city.
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😂🎉 he's the reason why we have more walking trails, bike paths, and skate parks. Opened up the eyes of the city that we stayed inside too much. 😅
As a current San Marcos TX resident who has been to San Antonio facilities including seeing the Spurs play at the Hemisphere and Alamo Dome, I do agree that the Alamo Dome needs to be upgraded. A new Spurs arena means that they would have to take the annual “Rodeo Road Trip” as the rodeo can have the Frost Bank Center to themselves. I could see the NFL someday expanding to San Antonio but not MLB. If MLB comes to central Texas IMO it will be in Austin/South Austin.
I would love for the new spurs to be downtown. Where they plan to put it you have the Tower of Americas, the convention center, part of the river walk, River Center Mall and the Alamo all within a 10 -15 minute walking distance. If the Spurs ever win another championship they whole area will go crazy
You don't need to build a red light entertainment district around, this already exists in downtown San Antonio with the Riverwalk...
@@ronclark9724no it doesn’t Kyle that’s why the city of San Antonio is planning this
@@ronclark9724 You do to accommodate all the new traffic and pedestrian flow to that area. The more you have for people to do the better it is for the city and area.
They need to make sure when they’re building it that there’s gonna be shit around it. I’m tired of going to arenas where it’s in the middle of nowhere or in a random suburb. Alamodome is by far worse with amenities, but I always have a lot more fun going there because there’s a lot of things to do around there. There’s hotels in like walking distance there’s bars shit there’s a station right next to there while the Spurs Arena there is literally nothing to do around there. It’s you go to the game and then you leave and then it’s fucking hell on earth to get out of there
This sounds like San Antonio put in place a committee similar to what you suggested Oakland should do in a video earlier this week. They now have a foundation to work from.
San Antonio is already being fused into Austin in an attempt to make a mega city but honestly if you asking for billions give us a mega project rebuild the stadium try to involve the Alamo colleges to promote a bigger college sports events in an attempt to bring in a permanent set of teams be it basketball, football, and any other sports the sky is the limit for the city don’t hold back
This all started making noise when we got Victor Wembanyama.
If you ask Charles Barkley them San Antonio women are way too big
Thats not a river, thats a creek.
Context?
@@orangeboy240 It's an internet meme from him commenting (on multiple occasions) on the way the women look in San Antonio versus anywhere else, i.e., they're all overweight.
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@@orangeboy240Search Charles Barkley San Antonio women
San Antonio is growing and needs to take advantage of the future.
Alamodome is also home to the TX high school basketball state championships. IT IS TERRIBLY set up, but they’re the host nonetheless.
It needs to be done! I really hate that the Spurs currently are in the deadest part of town. Nothing ever developed over there in the eastside. They did buy the land next to the Alamodome Downtown so it's getting done, one way or another.🎉Go SPURS Go🎉
Alamodome is not fan friendly. Sight lines are all wrong.
I went to the Alamodome when Stanford went to the Alamo Bowl back in 2017. I like it. Also, keep in mind that the current Spurs arena also hosts livestock events, which is why it's outside of downtown.
I would wager a bet that if team owners paid for their own arenas they would last longer than 20-30 years. 🧐
correct!
Yeah, where the Spurs Arena is there is nothing around there. It’s in the middle of a suburb and any person that’s ever gone to event in San Antonio most of the time even if the facilities are worse in the Alamodome, the location makes it better because there’s so many hotels. You’re like two or 3 miles from the river rock there’s a lot of bars there’s just a lot more things to do downtown and I always have way more fun when I go to the Alamodome because I could just walk there from my hotel
Current Spurs is on rodeo/fair grounds.
Dome is used a lot by convention center. It ha worked and been better for city . I think it would not have been successful it it had a"major" tennant
I'll believe it when I see it. This is a lot to accomplish for San Antonio.
They built the Alamodome for expansion in 1993 and weren't selected. The teams went to Carolina and Jacksonville.
Memphis, Baltimore, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Charlotte, and San Antonio were all bidding for those teams. St. Louis and San Antonio started building new stadiums in hopes of getting a team and neither got one.
Then St. Louis was supposed to get a relocated New England Patriots before Robert Kraft stepped in and stopped it. It's why the seats in St. Louis were red.
The Alamodome should be torn down and they should build a baseball stadium (MiLB potential MLB?) stadium there
Im very weary on their ability to secure and create the parking necessary. Alamodome area is woefully lacking enough parking as it is now
there is less and less parking downtown, and it's getting $$$$$$$. the current city management does not want more autos/ big ass trucks towntown....they want us on bikes. I was born downtown, and still love it, but this is the wrong direction, IMHO. could be worng,,,just say'in
It’s ridiculous how soon their arena is being replaced. What a waste.
The Tampa Bay Rays should reach out to SA, we are currently building a new AAA stadium for the Missions. If the Rays got involved we could upgrade the plan towards an MLB ballpark instead.
Presently SA only has the Double A affiliate of the Padres.
San Antonio, Texas, and Houston in the same division in baseball would be insane
@@KittyPurrfect100Texas triangle like the NBA
Horrible location for the frost bank center nothing is out there alot smarter to have it downtown where before and after games and events you can still do something
Renovating the Alamodome could possibly get them into a rotation as host of the UIL football state championships. Quite a big deal in Texas.
For real, they’re almost always held in AT&T stadium for championships I know for the first couple rounds of high school for me. We went to San Antonio and played in the Alamodome three or four times.
@@dsbeats5657 Yep. Alamadome can't host because of UIL rules about having 4 equal locker rooms or something. Maybe some other stuff. That's why a full renovation would be needed.
Trash the Alamodome upgrade/idea. It's outdated and never attracted anything when it was initially built.
While the Alamodome has yet to land a NFL team, I have not given up. Sprucing up the Alamodome won't hurt, if anything doing so will increase landing a NFL team...
It was outdated when they were building it.
@@ronclark9724if by sprucing up you mean extensive demolition okay. Have you seen recent opened NFL stadiums and plans?
I had attended AT&T and Allegiant Stadium prior to a Brahmas game at the Alamodome and the differences between the two facilities is not even a discussion.
The Alamodome, iconic in name and 4 pillars, feels like a concrete tomb.
This comment piggy backs on your prior video about the Tampa Bat Rays possible location outcomes. Since San Antonio won’t be getting an NFL franchise anytime soon (thanks to Jerry Jones), why not reimagine the Alamodome to be used primarily as a baseball field? UTSA football and the Valero Alamo Bowl could still be played on it much like college football games are played in Yankee Stadium l, but with some possible seat modifications to accommodate football games.
The Tampa Bay Rays could move there and attract fans as far away as Austin. Heck, they could even keep the sound of the their team name the same by simply rebranding the club as the “Reys”.
That’s smart
Blitz, They didn't build the AlamoDome's roof high enough for baseball. They said there wasn't enough land and the height needed would be out of proportion!
Parking at Frost Bank is awesome too. Parking at Alamodome is deplorable.
San Antonio needs this to happen so badly !!
San Antonio ❤is great City great sport's city best ❤️ fan's ever... Rays to San Antonio? San Antonio is a great city
The rays should definitely reach out to SA we are currently building a new AAA stadium for the Missions. If the Rays got involved we could upgrade the plan towards an MLB ballpark instead.
I think that’s what they mean by 5-15 years. New arena first Alamodome later. We’re not stupid in San Antonio. We know our limitations as a city.
The ghetto. Why did they build it in the ghetto. This makes a ton of sense.
This is literally my neighborhood. I live 900 ft from the tower, inside hemisfair. And I feel like I’m the only one who has been stoked for these upgrades. Needless to say, it’s going to happen no matter weather the citizens of SA want it or not. 2028 is the goal.
This shit is weird, that land where the institute building is is too small for an arena, the location where they want the missions ball park is in a weird ghetto part of downtown and not even a big difference location wise from the original. The Alamodome is just that, it was a wasteful expense that they were fortunate enough to make decent use of it these last 30 years. It would not be worth the cost to upgrade that. For what? Another final four? The final four is like the double A of baseball of sporting events. We already have one of those. The world is not gonna end if San Antonio doesn’t get another final four. San Antonio should suck it up and honor the original idea of the sbc center. You still have a decent arena, upgrade that again. Build all that fancy entertainment bs there at the current spurs site and revitalize the east side like they said they would. Missions need to build a park somewhere north of 410. Like Toyota did. They need to leave the Alamodome alone and only do regular maintenance, it will attract what it will attract. You want big, modern events, move to a bigger city.
Well.......at least the Alamo dome is paid for before they tear it down.......
Does not count traffic, just greedy developers that don't live downtown and don't remember how bad traffic would be. They throw a bunch of housing, now collage buildings and will kill tourists that are the bread and butter for families to relax and now you want 20k locals and cars to come down town for a long basketball season with local fans.
Bad leadership, greedy, short-minded business, and plans always drop the bills on tourist taxes for downtown hotels and restaurants are trying to recover from COVID.
I've lived here 11 years and have not seen a more lazy and incompetent city hall on things like this and stuck with keeping it in that same little downtown and risk killing the golden goose that is the Riverwalk.
That time line and ambition has 8-9 billion written all over it.
Its 4 billion
Love San Antonio. From a utopian sports point-of-view, I always liked the Spurs sharing a building with the AHL’s Rampage. I could see MLB adding a team called the Missions someday based on precedent. And even as someone who grew up despising the Raiders, I know San Antonio would’ve supported them if the Davis family moved them into the Alamodome at least temporarily.
Houston spent millions doing the land bridge thing…it looks NOTHING like the renderings but it inconvenienced Houston’s for 5 years. The out cone was a half bake land bridge no animals use. It can be a good tool, however there is better things to spend money on.
Somehow they are going to spend more money to make the Alamodome even uglier.
Also construction bids need to be smaller for certain parts of the project,
How bout we demo the Tower and build something new. That thing is so outdated and falling apart
I'd be willing to support this downtown plan if the City of San Antonio agrees to abandon their attempt to develop the section 8 "Creek Bend Apartments" located at 281 North and Borgfeld Road.
As a native San Antonian, there is absolutely no way in living hell they'll finish that in 30 years, let alone 15. Hell, it took the city 5 years to build 3 simple concrete medians to divide Fredericksburg Rd. They've been working on IH-35 and Loop 1604 since I was in high school. I graduated in 1994.
Prioritize the Spurs and convention center. Hotel can come later and the Alamodome shouldn’t be considered solely on UTSA.
Answer: NO
So basically, a new arena for the Spurs, and a land bridge? Because there is NO reason to "reimagine" the Alamodome with a hole in it. Now, if that "reimagining" involves just a remodel, with maybe a new style transparent roof, ala SoFi stadium, then, maybe? However, there is NO reason to effectively punch a hole in the roof of that stadium.
I think it happens. San Antonio is adding tens of thousands of people a year and that’s not changing. The money will be there
Alamodome could become a churro factory
Isn’t too much at all. Good for cities that have vision. Too bad Oakland didn’t have this kind of vision.
I would think the Spurs would want to be at La Cantera close to their new practice facility and their ticket holders.
The Alamodome hosted 3 pro football teams first with the CFL's San Antonio Texans not the NFL's Houston Texans, the San Antonio commanders of the short-lived Alliance of American Football & currently with the San Antonio Brahmas of the UFL
The Alamodome was also a temporary home for the New Orleans Saints during Hurricane Katrina
I'm seeing this going on in all the major cities. Building these stadiums downtown and relocating neighborhoods in Philadelphia they are going to get rid of Chinatown which has been there over 150 years,just to put in a new arena that they just built south of center city. And the fact that San Antonio is repairing the streets downtown project that has been going on for 4years now ,some idiot thought that doing it all the same time was a great idea 😂you can drive anywhere downtown, all the streets are detoured. I feel so sorry for the tourists who come here and disappointed we they see the mess downtown. And now they want to rebuild all of downtown with stadiums and arenas , music venues and more hotels and expand the civic center. Crazy, there's no parking now,how you going to get people moving around when out transit systems are from the 1970's . Denver, Miami, San Diego all smaller cities but have better transportation systems downtown than San Antonio. I just don't see how they are going to pull it off. 😢
It is on the old hemisphere tower with convention center next to .
I cannot tell you how much I hate the Alamodome. It Never attracted the NFL as promised and was too big for a decent basketball game. And it really sucked for music concerts, too many beams blocking sight line, but most of all the acoustics were/are horrible
This is where the A's should be playing. They would sell out nightly.
I know there's so called territorial rights with the Rangers and Astros but both cities are over two hours away.
California has five baseball teams and Texas is bigger.
So everything in San Antonio is fixed. The roads? The flooding, when it rains? The homeless? And a host of other things that need fixed? Until then, NOPE. The Alamodome is ugly. And that monstrosity is even worse. Fix what's broken first, before you spend on things we don't need.
The Alamodome has always been to small for a football team, they’d do better to tear it down and start over.
Higher Property Taxes
Meh. I’ll believe it when I see it. The Alamo dome is outdated, they need to bulldoze or down and start over, how many arenas are the spurs from a have? ALSO, downtown SA is wack and old, Sam Antonio needs a major modernization and big skyscrapers downtown
Bring back alamodome
Let’s just do it. Please. We have a chance to do something great and I would love if we could please get light rail and I don’t get why that’s not a priority. The airport will honestly look nice when all the upgrades are done why not just take a chance?
No way its too big!!! Go big or go home!!!! Do you want to lose the Spurs to Austin? If that happens we are finished as a sports city.
They actually did say 4 billion. I don't know how you got billions without the 4
The arena they play in now is 20 years old come on sports teams need to stop no need for a new arena
Yeah, but it’s mainly the location anybody that’s gone to Frost Center can tell you there is literally nothing to do besides going to the event and that’s it I always have way more fun going to Alamodome than I do going to the frost center even though the frost center is a lot better
You say North America had to get better at building long term lasting stadiums/arenas. I think this is a false premise. We have MANY long lasting arenas/stadiums in this continent. And they take maintenance sure but don’t need to be rebuilt. But the pro sports leagues, teams, and owners have built a culture of holding fans and communities hostage to a constant WANT (not need) for new stadiums. They could use stadiums longer or self fund new ones but they don’t. Instead they just say if we don’t get new we will leave, even when the stadium would still be feasible long term.
Billionaires need to quit being greedy
Pretty ambitious project hmmm Brodie Brazil ...reminds me of a certain baseball team....
We all love sports but I wish you guys could see the way governments and owners are stealing from you. Sure they’ll dangle bread and circuses in front of you. These projects are insanely expensive because they are giant money laundering operations. We need a serious cultural shift around this
We need 8 new nfl teams, fix up the Alamo dome, and get a team in there!
San Diego should be one of the 8 new nfl teams
It won't get built. Not only that, hopefully Popovich will be gone soon.
Why do the spurs need a new stadium???
... it's our only franchise it's going to happen...and everything will get built...the mayor is on his last year and im sure he wants that to be his legacy... getting that approved under his watch...
Its too small not too big.
Brodie...you need to talk about the Cleveland Browns dome and entertainment district. It's been big news in Ohio because many AFC teams (outside the Colts) have been reluctant to build domes for the longest. Plus, there is a fight between the team and the city moving it to the suburbs on the site of a old ford plant near our airport (which is a mile down the road from the Browns HQ and training fields).
Also, this has fueled Cincinnati to look at building a dome too. You have to cover this...many other channels have as well. I think the deal is using the stadiums for more than 6 games and a concert a year for the region.
Project is not big enough.
Love project Marvel
Who's "brilliant" idea was this?
Unless the local leadership has their city "in order", they can do whatever;
But I truly doubt it.
Stupid! Build something between SA and Austin.
That's not a river, its a creek ..
If you know, you know lmao
As an sa resident I can tell you for a FACT that the Alamodome is useless..big concerts go to Austin...it's too big for utsa...and they throw millions at it every couple of years for upgrades for final four which still looks horrible....and we have TONS of convention space...it's never full to the point that conventions can't come..there is alot of Empty space all year round...and 75 percent of downtown is hotels...and again there is always space at one of them all year round.... this would be a gigantic waste of money..but sa is great at wasting money.....
The Alamo dome housed the San Antonio Spurs for over 10 yrs so it did have a major league team using it.
Brodie mentions this at 5:57
Is San Antonio the Sacramento of Texas?
No, it’s Hondo’s twin sister city.
Austin and SA are very similar to Sacramento.
@@EvanEscherAustin is more comparable to Nashville and Portland, although I’ve had very limited time around Sacramento.
San Antonio is Compton Inglewood 😂 maybe long beach
They are renovating Alamo plaza for 400 million with that you should have expanded the convention center. They want to create a tourist trap. It's getting too expensive to visit the Alamo and Riverwalk. The city has become to Woke and liberal.
From the picture it looks like a child made those plans. Its basically spend billions for something ugly. Get examples from other stadiums...😢
Like to see San Antonio host the College Football Playoff championship game @ the Alamodome