Hi there! Some of y'all might recognize this video. This was one of the first videos I uploaded to my channel, back when I was still experimenting with how I was wanting to do things. As time went on though, I wasn't too happy with how it came out, so I pulled the video down a few months ago and decided to remake it. And here it is! This is my new version of the video, completely redubbed and with a few new shots added to it. I hope y'all enjoy it! Also for those following the progress on the 63, don't worry, I'll have a new video out for it soon, just getting the final shots for the video now!
@@AngellsGarage The engine will be the biggest problem to solve. The amount of dirt is so bad you cannot see the old paint, Flagstaff AZ hated the engine apparently.
@@masterdrdan2362 Aw man, that does not sound good. When I picked up my great grandpa’s old John Deere from the ranch it was also just like that, the entire underside and sides were caked in a mixture of old oil and dirt, almost an inch thick in some places! I used a pressure washer with some detergent called Brown Bomber, and that actually did a pretty decent job of getting a majority of the gunk off (although I was a mess in the end!). For my T-bird engines though, I’ve just had my machinist hot tank all the old parts, takes the all the grime and old paint right off!
thought you might install nice exhaust headers for more power too in saying that engine looks magnificent Sir doing it yourself saved you some good money cheers
Thank you sir! While headers are definitely a good idea, I have the original invoice for this car, so I decided to keep it (and eventually the rest of the car) looking mostly stock!
Do you have the mixture for the castillian gold by chance? Im restoring a 63 landau, im about ready to re assemble the engine but need to lay some paint down.
Hey. I see you used a roller cam and lifters in yours. I wasnt able to use the valley pan in mine because it interfered with the roller lifters. Interesting that yours didn't. Good video
Yeah I’ve heard some people have interference issues, and I can definitely see why! When I checked the interference on mine it got REAL close to hitting the pan but just barely avoided it. The pan is really only needed if the original cast iron intake is used, there is an exhaust chamber that runs through the cast intake underneath the carburetor to warm it up, and oil can splash up, burn up and cake up on the bottom of the intake where that chamber is. To avoid that there is a shield on the bottom of the intake and the valley pan is used to help prevent that splash up. When using an aftermarket intake, that exhaust chamber is deleted, therefore the valley pan can safely be discarded
So before my machinist worked on my heads or engine block, he magnafluxed the block and heads to check for any cracks. It’s a pretty neat process actually, the block is magnetized in a machine, and then some ferrous powder is placed on the block. A crack, when magnetized, generates a small magnetic field, so any of the powder added on the block would be attracted to the crack and allow the machinist to see the crack. I hope that made sense lol
Should of installed an Edelbrock intake manifold and blacked it black to be conspecus but save 56-60 pounds and add performance. Loose the bakelite carb spacer and coolant lines and get the black Edelbrock avs2 650 carb with the Hamburger port matched carb spacer. 😉 and install petronix ignition inside the distributor with black MSD wires and black blaster coil. Just an idea
So for this 390 I am probably going to keep it pretty stock, I got the original invoice for the car and that kinda makes me want to keep things original on the 64, BUT on my 63, I am getting the block and heads back from the machine shop soon and am still trying to decide which direction I want to go with it. My dad threw a Edelbrock EFI multiport fuel injection intake on his 68 Mustang and that thing is SWEET! Edelbrock makes that same system for the FE engines, it’s a little pricey but well worth it I think. I am also looking at the new Holley Sniper 2 system, looks pretty simple! If decide to make this engine a little more peppy i will definitely keep these suggestions in mind! I know a lot of folks who love MSD and Pertronix, can’t go wrong with those!
@@AngellsGarage just be sure to put the electric fuel pump that comes with the efi as far back towards the gas tank as possible. They buzz and make a annoying noise when placed inline under your seat.
I am doing the same thing right now. 390FE black and gold. But are you sure with the sheet metal you had forgotten. I am pretty sure with roller lifter it will cause problems. You will be touching the sheet metal. I am not an expert but have talked and worked together a lot regarding my rebuilt. Among others with Brent Lykins from Lykins Motorsports. But also other experienced engine builders. They said the sheet metal can't be rebuilt.
So that indeed is a concern and I am sure that could affect certain roller cam sets. I did rotate the engine a lot after installing the valley pan to ensure there was no contact, and those lifters do come very close to contacting it, but thankfully no contact. I did actually consider leaving it out, but on these engines, if you are keeping things stock, there was a concern of oil touching the heater box on the bottom of the intake. Some folks said without the pan, the oil would be able to shoot around more below the intake, with a lot of it being able to hit the carburetor heater, and start caking up on that heater box. I don't think the aftermarket intakes include that heater box, so if going that route then that wouldn't be a concern and the pan can stay out. Of course, I am not sure how much a concern oil building up on that heater box is, it honestly might not affect anything. But in any event, I am certainly no expert either, and in this case I would definitely take the advice of your machinist, especially if they got experience with these FE's. Thanks for watching the video and good luck on your engine rebuild!
@@AngellsGarage Yes that is right. Maybe they told it to me because of more Lift from my cam. Thanks I wish you also the best with the engine and car. Greetings from Germany
So actually my machinist purchased the pistons, so unfortunately I don't know exactly where he got them, but I would suggest Summit Racing Equipment. They have A LOT of pistons to choose from, so you should definitely be able to find some from there! By the way, when I was looking up pistons, I was having much better luck finding pistons for a FORD FE 390 as opposed to a 1964 Thunderbird, it's the same thing of course, but lots of companies lists their pistons for engine family, not the car, so hopefully that should help you find them!
thank you! also i love the channel and i have a 63 im working ong that my parents wont let me do the bodywork on because its my first car lol!@@AngellsGarage
@@kfchickenbucket3080 Very cool! That is certainly the coolest first car anyone can have! Good luck with your engine rebuild, and don’t worry, one day you’ll get to experience the pains of bodywork lol!
At last another T Bird video! I have not touched my poor '65 for a couple of months has it's been to hot in the garage, I did get the front two floor boards cut out and the new pans on hand. I love the M-1 Gerand part! I used to have 3 over the years..... sad stories there....anyway, at least you have less mistakes than Elisabeth Taylor had marriages so you are doing well! I wonder how effective headers would be on the '64 and '65 T Birds? just so little room with the coil over suspension! How did the '63 come out?
Hi there and thanks for the comment! I think it would be quite interesting to try and fit headers in these birds, I know people have done it so there must be some that work, but by George I don't know how, these exhaust manifolds are pretty slim and even then there's hardly any breathing room between the manifolds and the shock towers! Also I am glad you liked the M1-Garand part! That is one of my other hobbies, collecting vintage guns. That's awesome that you used to have 3 of them, I would love to get another but they are so darn expensive! I don't blame you for staying out of the garage, we've had some hot days this summer in Nevada and I understand that its hard to get motivation when it's 90+ degrees out, at least you're making progress though, that's the most important part in any restoration! The 63' is still coming along, I am almost done with the doors now, and just like everything else on that car, they were in terrible condition. That video will be coming out in a few weeks, getting the final few shots for that video now!
I know this is an older one of yours. As far as videos I'll be interested to watch it and some of the other items. I've got a 66 Thunderbird. I bought it from the original owners estate. Oh it's decent I mean it was sitting in the garage for 40 years. I haven't got the name tag plaque or Ford motor company says specially built for mr. Jones, because he ordered it the way he wanted the car. Every car has its own peculiarities and that's why I will be looking for in your videos. Unfortunately Thunderbirds as a real just don't hold any kind of value. There are some items that I'm looking for.
You are absolutely right, every Thunderbird is unique in its own way! Not only did these cars have a bunch of factory options to choose from, but there were also dealer installed options and plus who knows what other modifications the owners of the cars made to them over the years. I think its safe to say anyone would have a hard time finding two Thunderbirds that perfectly matched each other! And yeah, these cars sadly don't have much value in them. That's why many folks don't restore these cars, there's just not much money to be made in it. But thankfully I am not in it for the money, I just restore these cars because I think they are cool!
Hi there! Some of y'all might recognize this video. This was one of the first videos I uploaded to my channel, back when I was still experimenting with how I was wanting to do things. As time went on though, I wasn't too happy with how it came out, so I pulled the video down a few months ago and decided to remake it. And here it is! This is my new version of the video, completely redubbed and with a few new shots added to it. I hope y'all enjoy it! Also for those following the progress on the 63, don't worry, I'll have a new video out for it soon, just getting the final shots for the video now!
I got a 63 Thunderbird and I hope to start restoring it in a week.
@@masterdrdan2362 That is awesome to hear, good luck on the project!
@@AngellsGarage The engine will be the biggest problem to solve. The amount of dirt is so bad you cannot see the old paint, Flagstaff AZ hated the engine apparently.
@@masterdrdan2362 Aw man, that does not sound good. When I picked up my great grandpa’s old John Deere from the ranch it was also just like that, the entire underside and sides were caked in a mixture of old oil and dirt, almost an inch thick in some places! I used a pressure washer with some detergent called Brown Bomber, and that actually did a pretty decent job of getting a majority of the gunk off (although I was a mess in the end!). For my T-bird engines though, I’ve just had my machinist hot tank all the old parts, takes the all the grime and old paint right off!
Cool Thunderbird Brotha!
Thank you sir!
That was fun 👍🏻 I watched the 63 revival videos too, those are good as well👍🏻keep’em commin! 😁👋🏻
@@S2NAZ Thank you sir! Glad you have enjoyed my videos so far!
Informative and entertaining!
Thank you sir, glad you enjoyed it!
NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK
Nice to have a new video thx a lot and the best from holland stay save and God bless you all
Thanks for the comment!
Nice work.
Thank you sir!
thought you might install nice exhaust headers for more power too in saying that engine looks magnificent Sir doing it yourself saved you some good money cheers
Thank you sir! While headers are definitely a good idea, I have the original invoice for this car, so I decided to keep it (and eventually the rest of the car) looking mostly stock!
Do you have the mixture for the castillian gold by chance? Im restoring a 63 landau, im about ready to re assemble the engine but need to lay some paint down.
Yes sir, the code is PPG 32277. Good luck on your restoration and thanks for watching!
Ahhh yes iv got one just like herb
In the TV show Highlander, the main character was driving a '64 Thunderbird. I think it was a convertible.
Hey. I see you used a roller cam and lifters in yours. I wasnt able to use the valley pan in mine because it interfered with the roller lifters. Interesting that yours didn't. Good video
Yeah I’ve heard some people have interference issues, and I can definitely see why! When I checked the interference on mine it got REAL close to hitting the pan but just barely avoided it. The pan is really only needed if the original cast iron intake is used, there is an exhaust chamber that runs through the cast intake underneath the carburetor to warm it up, and oil can splash up, burn up and cake up on the bottom of the intake where that chamber is. To avoid that there is a shield on the bottom of the intake and the valley pan is used to help prevent that splash up. When using an aftermarket intake, that exhaust chamber is deleted, therefore the valley pan can safely be discarded
How did you check if there were any cracks in the engine block?
So before my machinist worked on my heads or engine block, he magnafluxed the block and heads to check for any cracks. It’s a pretty neat process actually, the block is magnetized in a machine, and then some ferrous powder is placed on the block. A crack, when magnetized, generates a small magnetic field, so any of the powder added on the block would be attracted to the crack and allow the machinist to see the crack. I hope that made sense lol
Should of installed an Edelbrock intake manifold and blacked it black to be conspecus but save 56-60 pounds and add performance. Loose the bakelite carb spacer and coolant lines and get the black Edelbrock avs2 650 carb with the Hamburger port matched carb spacer. 😉 and install petronix ignition inside the distributor with black MSD wires and black blaster coil. Just an idea
I've done all this to my TBird plus Sanderson big block shorty headers thru a magnaflow exhaust.
So for this 390 I am probably going to keep it pretty stock, I got the original invoice for the car and that kinda makes me want to keep things original on the 64, BUT on my 63, I am getting the block and heads back from the machine shop soon and am still trying to decide which direction I want to go with it. My dad threw a Edelbrock EFI multiport fuel injection intake on his 68 Mustang and that thing is SWEET! Edelbrock makes that same system for the FE engines, it’s a little pricey but well worth it I think. I am also looking at the new Holley Sniper 2 system, looks pretty simple! If decide to make this engine a little more peppy i will definitely keep these suggestions in mind! I know a lot of folks who love MSD and Pertronix, can’t go wrong with those!
@@AngellsGarage just be sure to put the electric fuel pump that comes with the efi as far back towards the gas tank as possible. They buzz and make a annoying noise when placed inline under your seat.
Ew edelbroken
I am doing the same thing right now. 390FE black and gold.
But are you sure with the sheet metal you had forgotten. I am pretty sure with roller lifter it will cause problems. You will be touching the sheet metal. I am not an expert but have talked and worked together a lot regarding my rebuilt. Among others with Brent Lykins from Lykins Motorsports. But also other experienced engine builders. They said the sheet metal can't be rebuilt.
So that indeed is a concern and I am sure that could affect certain roller cam sets. I did rotate the engine a lot after installing the valley pan to ensure there was no contact, and those lifters do come very close to contacting it, but thankfully no contact. I did actually consider leaving it out, but on these engines, if you are keeping things stock, there was a concern of oil touching the heater box on the bottom of the intake. Some folks said without the pan, the oil would be able to shoot around more below the intake, with a lot of it being able to hit the carburetor heater, and start caking up on that heater box. I don't think the aftermarket intakes include that heater box, so if going that route then that wouldn't be a concern and the pan can stay out. Of course, I am not sure how much a concern oil building up on that heater box is, it honestly might not affect anything. But in any event, I am certainly no expert either, and in this case I would definitely take the advice of your machinist, especially if they got experience with these FE's. Thanks for watching the video and good luck on your engine rebuild!
@@AngellsGarage
Yes that is right. Maybe they told it to me because of more Lift from my cam. Thanks I wish you also the best with the engine and car. Greetings from Germany
My parents had a sixty-four Thunderbird.
Very cool!
Where did you get your pistons? I’m rebuilding my fe390 right now and need pistons :)
So actually my machinist purchased the pistons, so unfortunately I don't know exactly where he got them, but I would suggest Summit Racing Equipment. They have A LOT of pistons to choose from, so you should definitely be able to find some from there! By the way, when I was looking up pistons, I was having much better luck finding pistons for a FORD FE 390 as opposed to a 1964 Thunderbird, it's the same thing of course, but lots of companies lists their pistons for engine family, not the car, so hopefully that should help you find them!
thank you! also i love the channel and i have a 63 im working ong that my parents wont let me do the bodywork on because its my first car lol!@@AngellsGarage
@@kfchickenbucket3080 Very cool! That is certainly the coolest first car anyone can have! Good luck with your engine rebuild, and don’t worry, one day you’ll get to experience the pains of bodywork lol!
@@AngellsGarage lol thanks!
At last another T Bird video! I have not touched my poor '65 for a couple of months has it's been to hot in the garage, I did get the front two floor boards cut out and the new pans on hand. I love the M-1 Gerand part! I used to have 3 over the years..... sad stories there....anyway, at least you have less mistakes than Elisabeth Taylor had marriages so you are doing well! I wonder how effective headers would be on the '64 and '65 T Birds? just so little room with the coil over suspension! How did the '63 come out?
Hi there and thanks for the comment! I think it would be quite interesting to try and fit headers in these birds, I know people have done it so there must be some that work, but by George I don't know how, these exhaust manifolds are pretty slim and even then there's hardly any breathing room between the manifolds and the shock towers! Also I am glad you liked the M1-Garand part! That is one of my other hobbies, collecting vintage guns. That's awesome that you used to have 3 of them, I would love to get another but they are so darn expensive! I don't blame you for staying out of the garage, we've had some hot days this summer in Nevada and I understand that its hard to get motivation when it's 90+ degrees out, at least you're making progress though, that's the most important part in any restoration! The 63' is still coming along, I am almost done with the doors now, and just like everything else on that car, they were in terrible condition. That video will be coming out in a few weeks, getting the final few shots for that video now!
Painted it black...
That’s how it should be
I know this is an older one of yours. As far as videos I'll be interested to watch it and some of the other items. I've got a 66 Thunderbird. I bought it from the original owners estate. Oh it's decent I mean it was sitting in the garage for 40 years. I haven't got the name tag plaque or Ford motor company says specially built for mr. Jones, because he ordered it the way he wanted the car. Every car has its own peculiarities and that's why I will be looking for in your videos. Unfortunately Thunderbirds as a real just don't hold any kind of value. There are some items that I'm looking for.
You are absolutely right, every Thunderbird is unique in its own way! Not only did these cars have a bunch of factory options to choose from, but there were also dealer installed options and plus who knows what other modifications the owners of the cars made to them over the years. I think its safe to say anyone would have a hard time finding two Thunderbirds that perfectly matched each other! And yeah, these cars sadly don't have much value in them. That's why many folks don't restore these cars, there's just not much money to be made in it. But thankfully I am not in it for the money, I just restore these cars because I think they are cool!
I’ve got those flat exhaust manifolds on my 63. They’re terrible but can’t find anything else that will fit because of the shock towers.
Yeah I think Ford left an entire half an inch between the exhaust manifold and the shock tower, not a lot of room!