Freightliner cascadia leaf spring replacement. Noise when turning. Popping in suspension
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- Do you ever get that popping sound or creaking when turning. Chances are we’re talking about the same thing. A failed lead spring bushing on the steer axle. Now you can replace them but that’s still expensive. Either way you choose here’s showing you the procedure to replace it.
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Great informative video.
Thanks, it helps a lot
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Nice work
Tiger tool cuts that job time down tremendously! Well worth the investment
Wheres the tiger tool in this video?
Helpful video!!!!
nice video thank you
You should have the U bolts and bushing bolts tightened when the truck is sitting on the ground with the wheels on if you don’t believe me read the repair manual the way you did it after 100,000 miles those bushings will be gone as well because they twist too much
Ppppll lol
Lol you are 100% correct on this
If the driver is complaining about vibration or a popping it can be the leaf spring bushings but it could also be the blown passenger side steer shock which is clearly leaking.
Hah, saw y'all recording this one in the shop.
Okey-dokey I have a question bluebird bus when it stops it jumps out of Lane do you think that is wore out king pins, and the Tire Zone outside she won’t even wear
Hi bud what spec u torque the ubolt ?
What size of jack stands were those ?
any chance i could send you a video of a clicking noise from my left steer been to 2 volvos 3 petros and a loves and nobody can find anything wrong ... 2022 volvo 130k miles im at a loss -----
I have a 2009 cascadia and I've just replace my two front shocks. But I still feel the bumps on the road pretty bad. Could it be the cab shocks or the leafsprings.
Front end issues are tough ones to solve. There’s so many issues to look at. If your just focused on covering up the road bumps. I’d start with aftermarket heavy duty steer shocks. Oem is not good. Than I’d check the cab mounts, leaf spring ubolts, king pins. These will be your main contributors.
Thanks for your help 👍, my question is, is it possible to mount Dd15 fuel pump with out the timing blade?!......
Yes you can install it without it but.... the pump is timed for a reason and when removed you would have no idea where the top dead center is. Fuel pump timing helps with abnormal pulsating in the pump when mated to a gear train. . Plus turning the gear to get it straight up is easy enough anyways.hope that helps and thanks for watching.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 thanks man, we'll I was towed to the frightliner dealer and they said the blade is missing, they wanna drop the oils pan looking for it which I said they just buying time to charge for the labor.
@@mohamedmohamud8084 I’d be very interested to know where it went. But if you got towed then it probably messed up the teeth in the geartrain. This may just be a very costly reapair. Either way they would have to pull it all apart and inspect because if they do a quick fix the liability is all on them.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 yap they found nothing there. That was not my problem I had water in fuel system, before that the truck was find
@@mohamedmohamud8084 ah gotcha. Definitely another issue than. Hope they take care of you there.
Wow man you so nice, people the TA SERVICE are not friendly at all,
Haha somewhere along the lines people just lost there sense of customer service. Can’t expect much from a TA
Quick question so I have a 2015 cascadia. When i come to a stop and lean at a angle it’s hard for me to throw back in gear. Just grinds and I have to force it in. What do you think it is?
Good question. I would think no mater what if you have trouble getting ur manual trans in gear than your throw out bearing or clutch brake is failing. Would definitely need both those inspected. Most common complaint for clutch brake failure is grinds when starting off and can’t grab gears. Hope that helps
Thanks for your help and time
Can you keep running the truck with a bad bushings? And what was the cost to repair this?
Great question man. Yes you can keep running but you will most likely get drivability issues as well as poping or cracking noise on turns. Pricing on parts will constantly be changing due to supply. As for labor figure about 6 hrs of what the labor rate is.
Could you have changed only the bushings on the leaf springs?
Great question, you sure could but what a pain that is. And your still removing the spring and putting it under a press to get those bushings out. So I would say more time wasted. When time is money I’d hate to waste any of it. Also I have yet to find any aftermarket bushings for leaf springs that can hold up like oem ones. Kinda strange.
How much does a service like this run? I think I have the same issue. My bushings looked just like the ones in the video
Figure about 6 hrs labor of whatever the shop rate is. Parts can very everywhere you go.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 thanks!
you guys make it look so easy, but it's not!!!!
I just had springs, shackles, bushings done on a 19 Cascadia as well but am getting the creeking and slight popping noise when turning. At highway speed the truck rides fine and there seem to be zero issues. Only happens at lower speeds while loaded. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for reaching out. When low speed creaking is occurring the most common cause is the ubolts. You may of just had them done but there’s a chance there not torqued right. I would try to get them checked. Could be a very simple/cheap issue to resolve.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 I appreciate the reply and the content. The maintenance portion of the O/O business has proven to be the toughest part of this business for me. Trying to find a good trustworthy shop is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Thanks for all you do 💯
Got a question about the popping noise. Does the noise occur while hooked to a loaded trailer or no? I have a popping noise but it only occurs when I have a loaded trailer which leads to think that its a suspension issue.
Great question. For the majority of the time it will occur unloaded or disconnected from a trailer. But in some cases the only way to duplicate particular issues is to have a heavy strain on the suspension by being connected to a trailer. There a lot of suspension components at work especially under pressure so would just need to find out which area the noise is coming from. Hope that helps
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 its coming from the front near the firewall. Bobtailing... No noise; empty trailer... Light popping and its at its worst when I'm loaded. I've had the motor mounts replaced and driveline checked and the problem is still there.
@@marcussmith5755 great you’ve narrowed it down. Have the cab mounts , leaf spring bushings, and drag link checked. Most common issues right at that location especially on units with age.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 those items were next. Thank for the help and my truck is a 2015 with over 700k miles on it
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 great vid, i just had my bushings and shackles replaced yesterday. Ive replaced all shocks, ive replaced drag link, steering shaft, tierod assembly. It was aligned and i still have the cracking popping noise when i turn the wheel even at a stand still bobtailed. Only thing left is my steering box and thats next on the list. Any imput would be greatly apprecited. Thanks
With cascadias you can't get new bushings you never to replace the whole spring?
Is it important to do both leafs same time?
No but you can if it’s high mileage
So weird seeing an new enough freightliner with drum brakes our fleet when they switched to 2018+ all disk
How much does a job like that on both sides usually costs, parts and labor? Thank you.
Parts are difficult to guess since prices fluctuate all the time between mark ups and availability. But expect to pay about 6 hrs labor of whatever the door rate is.
I got quoted $1,500 parts and labor at Tampa Springs.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228
Thank you.
@@boricuany79
Thank you.
I have my truck pulling to the right.. done an allignment everything is fine. New shocks.. u think my springs are bad 18 cascadia 415k
I would want to know that alignment is truley good and the tires don’t have any uneven wear. Springs shouldn’t be your issue here.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 wells I thought so the tired were. rotated them still same..
I went to 4 allignemnt shops all same ur allignment is good blah blah..
5th shop he added a caster shim to the right side under the springs to raise it up made it 75 percent better now.. I think left side is higher then the right side that's the shim made it better.. I think over time the springs sag and the pull happens due to the lean... the shim made a difference ..
no trucks can't be allign same.. every truck is diff and they all need caster shims...mine is 1 inch lower in the right.. I guess that why it's still pulling 🤷
yesterday i replaced 2 steers and 8 drive tires balance all and 3 axle align and the truck got worse it throws its self left and right and getting jumping vibration in the cab and hood, it feels like the hole front end is loose, and it want to follow every little groove on the road, those groove line on the road or uneven pavement on the road its start zigzaging left and right like a swing fish in the water, took it back they said it could be the leaf spring bushing bad, any suggestion? appreciate
Great to hear from you man. Sorry to hear about the issue your running into. The leaf springs will cause a lean, noise, and shaking. But I wouldn’t say it would make the whole truck shake the way you described. I would really want to have the balence checked on those tires because they will do just that. After that I’d look at motor mounts, cab mounts , driveline for damage or correct phaseing, baseically everything suspension related. But I wouldnt jump to leaf springs unless I knew they were an issue. Hope that helps you in a direction.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 thanks for the quick reply, i changed the cab mounts last month, i was thinking motor mounts, but whats getting me is the swerving on the highway when i run over those groove or on uneven road, my little pick up did the same thing when i changed the tires and then found out i needed outer tie rods,
@@jadb8452 for trucks majority of the time following grooves is related to how wide the truck is which just makes it easier to do and wear pattern/tread pattern of the tires. When everything is brand new and tight (all your bushings,shocks,springs) a lot of that free play was taken up so it wouldn’t veer so easily. There’s no reason it should of gotten worse though after new tires unless alignment is that bad and causing a drift. If ur truck goes straight on its own I’d lean into suspension components, if it’s drift while you going straight I’d lean into the alignment.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 its not drifting it more like veering left n right. when i let go of the steering wheel is still drive straight, it only does it where is a lot of groove or construction zone where the road is uneven it starts to veer left and right, when am loaded its drive much better, when trailer is empty thats when the jumping vibration gets bad, the heavy weight for some reason have something to do with it, man am confused
@@jadb8452 gotcha. The veering at that point is normal and nothing to be concerned with. Since the weight is on the ass end of the truck it will bid a lot of the issues on the front end. With weight released there’s not enough downward force and stress against all the bushings. Really it would just be going under and inspecting all the suspension components.
do you have to do a front end alignment after replacing the leaf spring?
Yes sir , great question to. Best practice is to align the truck after and big suspension work. Always Gta make sure everything is lined up right so other components aren’t affected.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 appreciate the come back great videos
If I have a factory warranty is that covered under warranty?
Yes it is.
How much would that complete job cost to be replaced in labor?
So parts,who knows now at days.Things are to crazy. But labor expect about 4.5hrs of whatever the shop rate is.
What’s the torque for the U bolts bro
Good question. Depending on the size of the nut which they can be different. The most common is 7/8 and for that it would be 375ft lbs in a star pattern
What are the symptoms of bad leaf Spring blushing?
Great question. You will notice sagging, or truck leaning, extra noise like cracking or creaking from there especially on turns. There could also be slight pull when driving.
@Busted knuckle by diesel dr thank you!!!!
Are they 6 ton jack or 12 ton jack stand
I can’t honestly remember but the bigger the better as they say.
I got 2019 cascadia with 175k miles I had popping noise when loaded 11,900 on steer axle. Told Freightliner about the issue they took while steering apart and told me to wait for 7-10 days. 😔 I think I made mistake now by taking it to agency should have gone to some local mechanic. Not even sure if they would be able to solve my problem.
Man I’m sry to hear about that issue. I do have trust in the dealers. There expertise is outstanding but than again it all comes down to the tech it goes to. Poping should be easy to find since it comes down to very few components. No reason it should take that long unless there waiting on parts, serious parts issues now at days.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 what components are you referring to? Thanks
@@TroquerosinbarrerasUSA basic steering components. Drag link , tie rod, steering gear, cab mounts,kingpins , wheel bearings, ubolts.. one of those would of been the issue
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228u don't need to change everything
Nice work how much is cost to do that job
You should expect to pay about 4 hrs of the shop rate per spring and whatever crazy mark up they have on parts these days. Also an alignment is highly recommended after.
Any videos on rear leaf spring replacement on a Cascadia?
What year is your cascdia that you have a leaf spring in the back. Usually that was much older ones.
2013 and it’s a day cab
Ya that makes more sense. These days they just use air ride and shocks. No I don’t have any vids on those but next one that comes my way I’ll make sure that happens.
Ok great do you know if the rear leaf springs usually come stamped or with any stickers on them when purchased new from dealer? Recently had a mechanic replace mine but doesn’t look new besides bushings looks like it were spray painted black on top the bottom looks old and beat up thanks for responding
@@ramonpaez19 they should have a significant color difference than the old ones. There might be a sticker with a part number but not always. The bushings will be dark black and peel slightly. But just looking at them they should have some type of newish appearance.
Pls share the address of the shop. Wanna get my leaf springs replaced too
If your ready to pay dealer prices than Il have you come one down.
Is that shock leaking
Not leaking. Just has come dry crud on it.
What’s the average cost for a job like this on a casacadia ????
Figure about 4 hrs then an alignment cost
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 thank you. So around $900 ?
Much faster to torch cut the U-bolts.
You wanna spit on it 🤣🤣🤣
Do you know they have tiger tool for these new frightliner to install bushings on chassis and next time use a bottle jack to press out the front bushing eye lol
They sure do but from my experience the aftermarket bushings don’t last and re-bushing them with OEM ones is better but the times to do this compared to the times it takes to replace a spring isn’t cost effective. But giving the choice to the cust is key.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 We don’t use aftermarket bushing we get it from
Freight liner regardless the fact the new cascadia front leafs are garbage they left the trail arm bolts loose
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Factory causing problems again and again would recommend replacing Hardware too great videos sir
@@ancormane524 you are absolutely right. It’s crazy to think we came all this way with technology but something as simple as a bushing can’t be updated to something better. I know for off-roading there specialty bushings used and there great. But nothing for semis yet. Maybe that’s the next milllion $$$ idea we need to get on.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 they can’t even fix the rub spots from 4 years ago the air commpressor bracket frame wires ties def dozer harness on top the crossmember it’s like the do it on purpose on not to forget the abs ecu needing to be reprogrammed randomly after tow or not they do it on purpose to make money goof for us we already know their tricks😂😂
Can’t you just replace the bushings?
Sure can but good luck finding a good one that’s aftermarket. Also replacing the bushings you would still need it removed and put in a press. Which one would save more time.
How much for the leafs and labor?
Leaf springs price is always changing. Labor is about 4 1/2 hours depending on replacement, or just bushing replacement only.
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 doing this rn and hardest part is finding the parts
@@bustedknucklebydieseldr3228 this video is the reason i decided to do it myself
@@adrianiorin8896 hopefully it all goes well. Don’t forget, an alignment afterwards will be needed.