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Your question seems to be directed towards a history that makes any sense. This it not that movie. The writing in this movie makes the average 80s exploitation film look like Citizen Kane.
that actually is what happens to wild animals once you start feeding them! they get complacent and forget how to hunt and fend for themselves; this is actually a major reason why people are discouraged from feeding wild animals, alongside other ecological factors.
@@CoOlKyUbI96 I haven't seen it, but from what I can tell they're supposed to be something other then dudes with masks on. Just a dude with a mask on isn't going to slap off someone's face or attack someone with bees with a gesture.
I kinda wish this horror movie took into consideration the absolute *loathing* the real life Christopher Robin had for his father and the legacy he had no choice in being a part of. That would've made for an actually interesting premise imo: how a character grows up with constant reminders of his past perpetuated by other people and being seemingly unable to escape from them. But no, we get generic silent serial killer with a bear mask on.
LOL happy go lucky winnie the pooh characters that psychically feed off Christopher Robin's life force and drain all the happiness from his life would have been something
That's the thing. I have no issues with the general idea of making a winne the pooh horror movie, there's just no effort put into it outside saying "look! Pooh's in a horror movie!" They don't even try a so bad it's good take, it's just lazy
You could actually incorporate that into the film, maybe have adult Christopher be troubled by the constant reminder of his famous father and the books to the point where it affects his psyche, and he can't distinguish fiction from reality. Perhaps he imagines the characters from the books as monsters, unaware that *he's* actually the killer.
My biggest issue with Blood and Honey is that it really doesn't do enough with a genuinely cool concept and in particular I feel what cements this is comparing it to another trendy, kind of meme film which is The Mean One, the slasher about the Grinch that had Art the Clown playing the dude. The Mean One LIVES for its stupidity. It fully understands that it's a cheap one-note joke but goddamn, it will make sure it gets all the use out of that joke from actually clever references to Seuss's work to the Grinch being as animated as the Jim Carrey version to just the fun crazy kills we get, it's a movie that has fun with itself. If you watch it and know not to take it seriously? You'll have a blast. Blood and Honey is literally just the most paint-by-numbers slasher but the killers bought a special Winnie the Pooh DLC pack hence the costumes and the thing is it didn't have to be. The kill with the bees? Genuinely cool and it could've benefit the film if they used it more like maybe if the bees buzzing was used as like Pooh's take on Jason's "Ki ki ki ma ma ma". If they talked? We could've heard some neat twisted variations on classic Pooh lines. Kills could've been macabre twists on events from Pooh media but they instead opted for something so basic and as a result? I don't see any passion or love, I just see as James A. Janisse once said, clickbait horror.
Even more impressive is The Mean One was supposed to just be the trailer we saw. The people behind it didn't plan on making a movie but they were asked so much about it, they figured let's give it a go. They put more heart in The Mean One than the Blood and Honey crew did with their movie.
@@MSinistrari And it really comes through in the movie. The Mean One is genuinely a really fun time. A schlocky slasher that knows exactly how stupid it is. Hell it's why I'm actually curious about the Steamboat Willie movie by the same director because if The Mean One's anything to go by? Dude's likely gonna have a ball making good dumb fun.
@@absynthegreene6529 Thing is? They could get away with it. This in a way technically counts as dark parody and they would be using only a handful of lines truthfully. It's not like say you use one "Oh, bother." and immediately you're getting sued. There'd have to be something more to it.
@@jasonblalock4429 Late comment, but I watch a lot of these low budget british slasher, usually made by the same people by this(or ones they work with) some of them actually have some decent cinematography and sometimes really excellent shots.
Yes. And no, the low budget is no excuse for bad filmmaking. You see for example the Spanish horror film REC was made cheap for 2007 standards and even OG Evil Dead adjusted for inflation is still less than what this abomination costs. The director of this lacks one important thing: talent
Lacking talent isn't the problem it's lacking earnestness. I LOVE Troll 2 because the talentless director made something he set out to make and work hard on. There's an honesty to that even if the marketing afterward was cynical and trying to cash in. The opposite is a movie like Malignant, where a talented director (Jams Wan) tried to intentionally make something bad but that was talent without earnestness.
YES! Tired of the "it's hard to do a good horror film on a low budget" trope. Some of the best horror films in recent memory was made on a way lower budget than Blood and Honey. Skinamarink 15k. The void (2016) 80k and One Cut of the Dead had a budget of 25k! Especially horror productions seem to have a talent of using every single cent of the budget to your advantage. Blood and Honey is just a joke in every regard.
@@konkavstylisten Yeah Horror is the best genre for low budgets. It's why there's so many famous directors who started doing horror. Because it's where innovation and creativity shine. Like James Cameron and Peter Jackson and Sam Raimi. All of those guys started by making movies they either self funded or were VERY cheap but they're all actually super watchable films. Bad Taste, Evil Dead, Cameron's short film Xenogenesis. Doing impressive things like that is why low budget horror can shine but a lot of the time (see: The Asylum), it's not even trying to shine, it's just trying to pump out a product but a cheap one with no overhead.
@thequinlanshow3326 what part of low budget movie was difficult to understand? The point here is even with less money REC had better make up special effects, script and acting than this Winnie Pooh bad parody
Steamboat Willie is about to get the same treatment. It's every 12 year old on the internet being like: *"WHAT IF CHILDHOOD CARTOON EVIL? WITH HYPER-REALISTIC BLOOD? "*
@@hawkticus_history_corner I guess (though I came from the age of the original Jeff the Killer and Laughing Jack, so I have my doubts.) Dead Bart, Sonic.exe and like Ryan brought up Squidward's Unaliving weren't very good as well. I guess what I should have made much more clear was not a lot of 'mascot horror' proved itself to be too scary, just disgusting because they almost all relied on shock.
Waterfield talking about how much integrity he has compared to the other hacks like him reminds me of Matthew Santoro and his integrity as a creator; the guy makes countdown videos. Waterfield is a hack who thinks he's making something profound. And the fact that this hack went on a months long rant against reviewers like Cody Leech really tells you a lot about the guy.
Jim Cummings, the current voice actor for Disney's version of Winnie the Pooh (as well as Tigger) HATES this movie with a passion. He even threatened to sue the makers of this movie if they were to try to imitate his voice in it.
I think I lowkey hate this movie. I tried to watch it and just stopped somewhere in the middle. It's cheaply made in all the worst ways so it shows and the acting is okay at best. But what is probably the worst part is that it doesn't really do anything new or interesting with it's sourcematerial. Not really. The whole basic of the movie is "hey look at this cute childrens cartoon character do brutal things". That consept is nowhere new since internets fanfic and -art forums started. The key for it to work well is in how you bring a new dark point of view to whatever you're adapting. And this has nothing to do with Winnie the Pooh. The characters and setpieces are there, but change those and what's left? Absolutely nothing what's not already in other billion slasher movies out there. I'm also dissapointed that this movie made enough money on meme-status alone to give these idiots a chance to keep doing more. I'm not coming back for Peter Pan or Bambi or whatever they'll adapt next to make a basically the same shitty movie. Also sidenote, I think this might be the most misogynistic horror-movie I've seen in resent memory. All the victims are women and the only male-character of importance gets away in the end. Even the 80's and 90's slasher-franchises attempted for more ballanced bodycounts. But in this the gruesomness of some of the deaths of these girls feels like it's telling of something deeper.
I love B-movies, i live for "So bad it's good". But this piece of cinematic garbage was just pointless. No one "except for the cameraman" never had the slightest intention of delivering a strong final product. Truly hate this movie.
While babysitting years ago I let my 5 and 6 year old niece and nephew watch The Thing. I don't think my sister has forgiven me for that yet. (Niece loved it and goes as a monster for Halloween ever since, but nephew had nightmares for weeks)
The whole “Winnie the Pooh: but Evil” was already done on a radio show. “Pooh goes ape shlt”. Pooh takes drugs from the “spaced out rabbit” and uses a hatchet and buries “that annoying twat” before sewing Kanga’s pouch shut with Roo inside. Pooh takes some more and dies of an overdose, dreaming of the time he proved that he was the only bear with a willy in the Hundred Acres Woods.
@@DHAYProductionsIt's actually pretty easy to make with common household chemicals (which I will NOT detail here, FBI), so it wouldn't be too surprising if Pooh and his friends experimented with shit they found from their victims during the years they spent honing their murder skills.
Yeah, the worst thing they can do is halfass their seriousness. Either you FULLY commit, or you go Evil Dead. Anything in between will just be awkward. As another recent example: Willy's Wonderland, the FNAF ripoff with Nic Cage. It can't decide if it's a straight slasher or a deconstruction, so it fails at being both. (Except when Cage is onscreen, because Cage.)
What do you you mean 'noone talks of going to college' in the UK? In Scotland certainly we do (and we have several in my city), it's just that college is college and uni is uni. You'd get weird looks in Glasgow if you went to Clyde College and called it the "tech".
It took me ages to get around to watching the rest of your Five Nights At Winnie's upload because THE FIRST MINUTE WITH THE PUPPY REPLAYED AGAIN AND AGAIN AAAGGHHHH SO CUTE
I think the rant on setting a story in the UK but then consistently using American terminology is a valid complaint to have. It's just poor writing. If your creating a story that' set in another country than your own, you HAVE to commit to that. You have to do the research. You can't write it like they're the same place. If you don't want to be bothered, then make it take place in your own country.
Okay, very American interpretation, but this film reminds me of "don't feed the bears" PSAs. You're not supposed to feed wild animals because then they can lose the ability to feed themselves. They'll keep going to humans to provide them food, usually by digging through trash. Being in close proximity to each is usually bad for both humans and wild animals. Presumably the creatures survived somehow before Christopher Robin came around, but they couldn't anymore after he took care of them. And then they resorted to eating people.
Okay, but if it wasn't this film how exactly would you make something else with that title? The only thing I can think of is some kind of film about nazi scientists breeding killer bees that sting people to death (bonus points if it's in the Bee Movie universe), or possibly some film involving scaphism (which is probably one of the most cruel things imaginable and would be legitimately hard to sit through)
I get why the filmmakers wanted to make this as quickly as possible, but if they had actually taken the time to write a serious and heartfelt psychological drama/thriller, it could have been great.
The description of the dark, cartoony opening ironically reminded me of last year's "Unicorn Wars." Seemingly cute, sweet fantasy animals twisted by their own pain and hubris - *that's* a film worth watching, if you haven't! Doubly so for the team's previous work, "Birdboy: The Forgotten Children."
They made a literal Winnie the Pooh slasher film, and yet, the scariest rendition of the property is still the episode of the live-action Disney Channel series about pedophiles.
I worked with the director of The Banana Splits Movie on a TV Show recently. I had (pretty mindless) fun with the movie though and she’s super cool! Also pretty wild filmography subject-wise
If you want something that actually does this concept justice, read Winterset Hollow. It's The Most Dangerous Game with the animals of The Wind in the Willows.
I feel like inverting this story - have Christopher Robin break bad and the toys attempt to reason and ultimately do battle with him might be a better way to spin this if you're really committed to making a Pooh horror film. Granted, that's probably a scenario that requires at least part way convincing animated toys, whether puppets or CG, or just folks in costumes scaled down with effects. Probably outside the budget of something like this without a great deal of creativity.
The newspaper articles were my moment, too. The guy owning the house isn't like "Oh, hey ladies, the gender most likely to be homicide victims, you might want to be careful being here in the sudden murder and disappearance capital of the UK!"
I wish they had more creative killers than rubber mask wearing, generic slashers. Would have been cool to see them as toys that become monsters the more Christopher Robin fears them. Play into them being brought to life by his imagination, anything but slap a mask on say they're pissed off and call it a day
If someone tries to make a Popeye slasher film once he becomes part of the public domain I swear that any public domain horror film won't have any grounds for professional judgement.
I wish we'd bring Popeye back into pop culture he's always been one of my favorite toons. Fleischer studios is so SO SO good and it's a tragedy that they died. I'd accept a cheesy horror movie in this case just for the sake or reminding people how awesome Popeye is.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control They were gonna make a new Popeye movie a couple of years ago (and the teaser honestly looked great), but it was cancelled for whatever BS reason
@@leetri it was cancelled because King Features owns Popeye. Sony isn’t allowed to produce a Popeye movie anymore, so King Features is going to make it later.
My husband wasn't impressed bc I chose this as our date night movie 😅 we were laughing more than anything. Especially when the girl with the glasses askes if Pooh was Zoe... howling, just howling.
I listened to one of the Fangoria podcasts interviewing the director back before this movie came out. I was deeply embarrassed for the host because the dude was clearly a cynical, opportunist hack.
I know I'm going to get flack for this, but I actually had fun with this film. Yes, it's got more flaws than can be counted, and yes, it's terrible and does nothing new in the slasher genre beyond make Winnie the Pooh a mad killer. However, I had a laugh watching it and am looking forward to seeing the sequel later this year. Congrats on the home and the puppy, Ryan (fellow homeowner under 35 here). I hope you have many happy experiences with both. Also, please consider covering Prince of Darkness one of these days.
Difference is you said you had fun with it, not that’s it’s good. Lots of people conflate personally enjoying something with that thing actually being good
I loved it, cause it was exactly the kind of trash I thought it would be. Went to see it with my brother, cousin, and one of our bros, and we had a fuckin blast.
It's ok to enjoy a film even if it's bad. There is a term for it (so bad it's good), and if you choose to go into that rabbit hole you'll find a whole new dimension of entertainment. Not sure how much you are in to that type of stuff. But a good entry would be through: The Room (2003. With Tommy Wiseau, not the Brie Larsson one hahaha), Wild Zero (exceptional Japanese zombie horror starring and made by an actual noise rock band), Troll 2 and Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky. Some of these are on Tubi, the rest must be "Jack Sparrowed" unfortunately.
Want a movie that will actually scare you with a murderous bear? Watch The Edge. Written my David Mamet. Music by Jerry Goldsmith. Stars Hopkins, Alec Baldwin, Harold Perinue.
This movie had so many missed opportunities I didn't have high hopes but I thought it would be at least fun or a good gore fest, for a guy who wanted this to be up there with Terrifier he sure pulled his punches. The Winnie the Pooh mask is so dang cool! The fact that this movie was called blood and honey and did not have a scene where there was a dead body in a jar of honey just makes me mourn the possibilities of how fun it could have been.
As eye-rolling as these horror films made to capitalize on an IP becoming public domain has been, the comcept of a Pooh horror story isn't that bad of a concept. Especially if you play with either psychological angle with Christopher Robin's wild imagination taking the better of him in a dark turn or a more supernatural, animalistic side, where the talking animals begin to revert back into primal creatures driven by bloodlust.
We already have a "Horror" themed Winnie the Pooh movie, it's called "Pooh's Grand Adventure." It tackles how fear & seperation can turn somethings scarier when your imagination goes wild, and it had a much scarier "villain" in the form of the Skullasaurus (even if it was just the loud echoes of Pooh's rummbly tummbly, it still sounds scary to most who don't know where the sound is coming from & a monster from the imagination is more threatening than one you can physically see).
I still say the right way to do a dark Winnie the Pooh story would be about a bear cub becoming friends with a stray pig and then going on a quest for revenge against humanity when they recapture and eat him.
I was initially entertained by the opening sequence, that had something going for it. Then we just got 2 generic slasher villains and lame kills; a hammer, chains and a knife? Should have brought them back to their most wild and feral form, it's a bear and a wild boar! They've got all the tools growing from their bodies.
I feel like a truly great winnie the pooh horror movie would either be something more on the nose like Chucky or perhaps embrace the cheap looking masks by making it a weird winnie the pooh version of Clockwork orange.
If ‘Winnie The Pooh: Blood and Honey’ was more of a dark gothic fairytale (similar to Angela Carter’s ‘The Bloody Chamber’), rather than a typical slasher with irritating characters and a need to inappropriately sexualise women when possible (a woman had to have her top removed before being killed), the film may have been ok.
I'll be honest, Waterfield saying he believes his work has longevity, I completely forgot they made this shlock. He really does lack any self awareness.
I think I'm just really over how "creepy pasta x IP" this was. A good, dark retelling can make you appreciate both the new and old story. When it's just mean and or just gorn....there is so much other entertainment to enjoy.
First of all: congratulations on your new home and new puppy, Ryan! Second of all: thank you for doing this movie. I never wanted to touch the damn thing so you've saved me a lot of time spent cringing and wincing
Sounds like a grandchild of the "controversial" X-Files episode "Home" about a mutant hillbilly family. They played around with small town sheriff named Andy Taylor.
I think what makes this movie so infuriating is just how much it does not give a fuck about the source material. Any potential for an actually thoughtful twisted reimagining of a beloved children's book was just utterly wasted.
Hey Ryan, love your reviews! Helped me discover a whole list of new horror movies! Throwing these out there, I suggest giving these analog horror series a go: Harmany & Horror (th-cam.com/play/PLlPY_oQkD0jFzIzZCGoUIO0daF2-plTxI.html) Liminal Land (www.youtube.com/@LiminalLand) The latter is one I discovered only recently but has a really interesting premise, while the former is one I keep coming back to, no matter how much it scares the crap out of me!
I think it was one of the folks from Spill/Double Toasted that brought it up, of when sloppy and bad film making is just kind of shrugged off as "Well it suppose to be bad". Like for a while when we where getting "Grind House" style films, and it was largely just wink and nod with artificial filters put over it to make it look like a cheaper film As oppose to someone trying their best to make a film within their limitation.
Ryan have you ever watched the toolbox murders? It came out the same year as Halloween but is never talked about. It's not a masterpiece but mannnn it has some 70s charmmm
My idea for a dark and subversive Winnie the Pooh would be a kind of alternate history take where Christopher Milne's difficulty in school and subsequent military service were significantly worse. It would start out with him as child and (because magic, or whatever) his father's books managed to bring the characters to life and they try to be his friend and help him with his bullying but he just resents them. Then when he comes back from war, he discovers that in his absence, his father's books magically manifested Christopher Robin from the books into reality. So while he was out fighting, a perfect and immortal version of himself got to have fun lighthearted adventures with what was supposed to be Milne's best friends. The movie would end with Milne going all Rambo and capturing Christopher Robin, Pooh, and the others and selling them to an evil corporation to be immortal entertainments who'll never age, don't need to be paid, and don't have any real rights of their own. It's a grim ending, until you catch on to the fact that the existence of the film, in a meta sense, implies that the manifested characters obtained some sort of freedom.
Mad respect for waiting for the hype to die down before talking about it instead of jumping on the hype train with everyone else. Seriously, any time anyone takes their time with anything on the internet anymore, I have to applaud them, well done sir. :)
The first couple of minutes of this movie were wildly different from the rest. I genuinely thought it was going to be a lot more grindhouse/exploitation than it actually ended up being, and it was actually uncomfortable for those few minutes. It... wasn't that.
An American here, you just shot my ass to 6th grade when me and a friend watched dog house randomly on Netflix and I never could find the movie since so thanks for that partner
Ryan, I've been subcribed to you for years for my psychological horror fix. Know all of your efforts have been lost to Cheddar, they are my new main inspiration and love. Sorry Ryan.
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Please do Dogtooth!
As Above, So Below (2014)
Mr. Jones (2013)
Underworld series (2003-2017)
Soulmate (2013)
Spike (2008)
Bernard Rose's Frankenstein (2015)
Dracula 2000
Baskin
Humbly requesting the series Marianne on Netflix. Still has some of the most unsettling creep factor I've seen of any horror.
Final Exam (1981). I've never seen a slasher movie with more horrifically unlikeable victims.
Wait.. why are the the entities in the premise starving after Christopher stops feeding them?
HOW did they eat before then? WTF.
And "going feral" isn't what we see in these clips. They'd be eating the local flora and fauna in-between picnics already.
Your question seems to be directed towards a history that makes any sense. This it not that movie.
The writing in this movie makes the average 80s exploitation film look like Citizen Kane.
that actually is what happens to wild animals once you start feeding them! they get complacent and forget how to hunt and fend for themselves; this is actually a major reason why people are discouraged from feeding wild animals, alongside other ecological factors.
@@Akashiachanexcept that Pooh and Piglet aren’t wild animals. They’re literally just random dudes with a bear mask and a pig mask lol
@@CoOlKyUbI96 I haven't seen it, but from what I can tell they're supposed to be something other then dudes with masks on. Just a dude with a mask on isn't going to slap off someone's face or attack someone with bees with a gesture.
I kinda wish this horror movie took into consideration the absolute *loathing* the real life Christopher Robin had for his father and the legacy he had no choice in being a part of. That would've made for an actually interesting premise imo: how a character grows up with constant reminders of his past perpetuated by other people and being seemingly unable to escape from them.
But no, we get generic silent serial killer with a bear mask on.
LOL happy go lucky winnie the pooh characters that psychically feed off Christopher Robin's life force and drain all the happiness from his life would have been something
That take would require passion and intelligence and actual intent to make a decent movie on the part of the director, none of which I feel he has
That's the thing. I have no issues with the general idea of making a winne the pooh horror movie, there's just no effort put into it outside saying "look! Pooh's in a horror movie!" They don't even try a so bad it's good take, it's just lazy
You could actually incorporate that into the film, maybe have adult Christopher be troubled by the constant reminder of his famous father and the books to the point where it affects his psyche, and he can't distinguish fiction from reality. Perhaps he imagines the characters from the books as monsters, unaware that *he's* actually the killer.
God that could be interesting. Have the twin monsters of the killer and the father who recklessly turned his own family into a product
My biggest issue with Blood and Honey is that it really doesn't do enough with a genuinely cool concept and in particular I feel what cements this is comparing it to another trendy, kind of meme film which is The Mean One, the slasher about the Grinch that had Art the Clown playing the dude.
The Mean One LIVES for its stupidity. It fully understands that it's a cheap one-note joke but goddamn, it will make sure it gets all the use out of that joke from actually clever references to Seuss's work to the Grinch being as animated as the Jim Carrey version to just the fun crazy kills we get, it's a movie that has fun with itself. If you watch it and know not to take it seriously? You'll have a blast.
Blood and Honey is literally just the most paint-by-numbers slasher but the killers bought a special Winnie the Pooh DLC pack hence the costumes and the thing is it didn't have to be. The kill with the bees? Genuinely cool and it could've benefit the film if they used it more like maybe if the bees buzzing was used as like Pooh's take on Jason's "Ki ki ki ma ma ma". If they talked? We could've heard some neat twisted variations on classic Pooh lines. Kills could've been macabre twists on events from Pooh media but they instead opted for something so basic and as a result? I don't see any passion or love, I just see as James A. Janisse once said, clickbait horror.
You worded it perfectly
Even more impressive is The Mean One was supposed to just be the trailer we saw. The people behind it didn't plan on making a movie but they were asked so much about it, they figured let's give it a go. They put more heart in The Mean One than the Blood and Honey crew did with their movie.
@@MSinistrari And it really comes through in the movie. The Mean One is genuinely a really fun time. A schlocky slasher that knows exactly how stupid it is. Hell it's why I'm actually curious about the Steamboat Willie movie by the same director because if The Mean One's anything to go by? Dude's likely gonna have a ball making good dumb fun.
Papa Meat’s video on that film is good stuff
@@absynthegreene6529 Thing is? They could get away with it. This in a way technically counts as dark parody and they would be using only a handful of lines truthfully. It's not like say you use one "Oh, bother." and immediately you're getting sued. There'd have to be something more to it.
They seriously gave Winnie a mask and called it a day. The Vessi ad looks better produced than the movie
And yet the cinematography is actually quite decent. I guess they had a good camera/operator and decided that was enough.
@@jasonblalock4429
I disagree the lighting in this film is dull and the staging and framing is pathetic its shot like a high-budget Tubi Movie
@@jamalwalker04 you have literally no idea what you're even talking about.
Probably because it is better produced 😂
@@jasonblalock4429 Late comment, but I watch a lot of these low budget british slasher, usually made by the same people by this(or ones they work with) some of them actually have some decent cinematography and sometimes really excellent shots.
Yes.
And no, the low budget is no excuse for bad filmmaking.
You see for example the Spanish horror film REC was made cheap for 2007 standards and even OG Evil Dead adjusted for inflation is still less than what this abomination costs.
The director of this lacks one important thing: talent
Lacking talent isn't the problem it's lacking earnestness. I LOVE Troll 2 because the talentless director made something he set out to make and work hard on. There's an honesty to that even if the marketing afterward was cynical and trying to cash in.
The opposite is a movie like Malignant, where a talented director (Jams Wan) tried to intentionally make something bad but that was talent without earnestness.
YES! Tired of the "it's hard to do a good horror film on a low budget" trope. Some of the best horror films in recent memory was made on a way lower budget than Blood and Honey. Skinamarink 15k. The void (2016) 80k and One Cut of the Dead had a budget of 25k!
Especially horror productions seem to have a talent of using every single cent of the budget to your advantage. Blood and Honey is just a joke in every regard.
@@konkavstylisten Yeah Horror is the best genre for low budgets. It's why there's so many famous directors who started doing horror. Because it's where innovation and creativity shine. Like James Cameron and Peter Jackson and Sam Raimi. All of those guys started by making movies they either self funded or were VERY cheap but they're all actually super watchable films. Bad Taste, Evil Dead, Cameron's short film Xenogenesis.
Doing impressive things like that is why low budget horror can shine but a lot of the time (see: The Asylum), it's not even trying to shine, it's just trying to pump out a product but a cheap one with no overhead.
REC is awful. I'm so sick of everyone propping up that trash. Quarantine isn't a good movie but it is significantly better than REC.
@thequinlanshow3326 what part of low budget movie was difficult to understand?
The point here is even with less money REC had better make up special effects, script and acting than this Winnie Pooh bad parody
Steamboat Willie is about to get the same treatment.
It's every 12 year old on the internet being like: *"WHAT IF CHILDHOOD CARTOON EVIL? WITH HYPER-REALISTIC BLOOD? "*
HYPERREALISTIC EYES... And a mustache
I think this would've done way better as just a ten minute short on TH-cam.
We learnt nothing from the Creepypasta age
@@critrabbit8975The creators clearly didn't, cuz there's plenty of good creepypastas who do something like this
@@hawkticus_history_corner I guess (though I came from the age of the original Jeff the Killer and Laughing Jack, so I have my doubts.)
Dead Bart, Sonic.exe and like Ryan brought up Squidward's Unaliving weren't very good as well.
I guess what I should have made much more clear was not a lot of 'mascot horror' proved itself to be too scary, just disgusting because they almost all relied on shock.
2:42 ‘Christ, does anyone remember Shrek is Love?!’
You think we choose to remember, that shit’ll never leave how memories
everytime I hear the name Shrek, a small part of my subconscience shrieks in terror before I shove it deeper down 😀
Only a matter of time before we get that RYAN HOLLINGER: BLOOD AND HOYEVER movie.
As soon as he's in the public domain
Waterfield talking about how much integrity he has compared to the other hacks like him reminds me of Matthew Santoro and his integrity as a creator; the guy makes countdown videos. Waterfield is a hack who thinks he's making something profound. And the fact that this hack went on a months long rant against reviewers like Cody Leech really tells you a lot about the guy.
He was going after Cody Leach? I didn't know that.
Iunno dawg he's a hack that's rich. I need to work on my Steamboat Willie erotic thriller so I could make some bread 😂
By his own resumé he's really painting himself into a corner. Not one original idea so far.
@@GojiraRising Cody goes over it in his top 10 worst movies of 2023 vid.
The thing with Cody was overblown for clicks. Cody apologized and everyone moved on.
Jim Cummings, the current voice actor for Disney's version of Winnie the Pooh (as well as Tigger) HATES this movie with a passion. He even threatened to sue the makers of this movie if they were to try to imitate his voice in it.
He sounds like he’s no fun
@@steampunkfox4932 Dude, he takes the role seriously.
@@steampunkfox4932he's literally Winnie the Pooh. How much more fun do you need?
@steampunkfox4932 More respect for Jim Cummings, bro. He's an amazing voice actor and most likely starred in some movies you watched as a kid.
Jee I wonder why
I think I lowkey hate this movie. I tried to watch it and just stopped somewhere in the middle. It's cheaply made in all the worst ways so it shows and the acting is okay at best.
But what is probably the worst part is that it doesn't really do anything new or interesting with it's sourcematerial. Not really. The whole basic of the movie is "hey look at this cute childrens cartoon character do brutal things". That consept is nowhere new since internets fanfic and -art forums started. The key for it to work well is in how you bring a new dark point of view to whatever you're adapting. And this has nothing to do with Winnie the Pooh. The characters and setpieces are there, but change those and what's left? Absolutely nothing what's not already in other billion slasher movies out there.
I'm also dissapointed that this movie made enough money on meme-status alone to give these idiots a chance to keep doing more. I'm not coming back for Peter Pan or Bambi or whatever they'll adapt next to make a basically the same shitty movie.
Also sidenote, I think this might be the most misogynistic horror-movie I've seen in resent memory. All the victims are women and the only male-character of importance gets away in the end. Even the 80's and 90's slasher-franchises attempted for more ballanced bodycounts. But in this the gruesomness of some of the deaths of these girls feels like it's telling of something deeper.
I feel you this movie had me sick lol like I was just watching it forcing myself not turn it off true torture
I love B-movies, i live for "So bad it's good". But this piece of cinematic garbage was just pointless. No one "except for the cameraman" never had the slightest intention of delivering a strong final product. Truly hate this movie.
The sexism is so disgusting. Any audience who thinks this movie is good may need to have a self reflection moment. 🫥
@@lucisbois It's so lazy aswell and boring why watch this when I could watch an actually fun shitty movie a
the sexism of it all is frustrating, yeah
First "hoyevver" drops at 0:10.... and there's a PUPPY!!
Some kid is going to see this way too young and consider it a horror masterpiece.
That's their target demographic.
So... morons, gotcha.
While babysitting years ago I let my 5 and 6 year old niece and nephew watch The Thing.
I don't think my sister has forgiven me for that yet.
(Niece loved it and goes as a monster for Halloween ever since, but nephew had nightmares for weeks)
@@timtheskeptic1147why not show them Coraline or something? Why the Thing?
@@gaminganimators7000 I asked them if they wanted to watch a scary movie.
I obliged.
@@timtheskeptic1147I love that instead of something more softer you immediately went for a hardcore body horror hahahah.
The whole “Winnie the Pooh: but Evil” was already done on a radio show. “Pooh goes ape shlt”. Pooh takes drugs from the “spaced out rabbit” and uses a hatchet and buries “that annoying twat” before sewing Kanga’s pouch shut with Roo inside. Pooh takes some more and dies of an overdose, dreaming of the time he proved that he was the only bear with a willy in the Hundred Acres Woods.
The most entertaining bad movies to watch are the ones that are directed and edited in a way where it's taking itself so goddamned seriously
I absolutely lost it when the girl got "chloroformed." How the hell do these things know and have access to chloroform?
@@DHAYProductionsIt's actually pretty easy to make with common household chemicals (which I will NOT detail here, FBI), so it wouldn't be too surprising if Pooh and his friends experimented with shit they found from their victims during the years they spent honing their murder skills.
Yeah, the worst thing they can do is halfass their seriousness. Either you FULLY commit, or you go Evil Dead. Anything in between will just be awkward. As another recent example: Willy's Wonderland, the FNAF ripoff with Nic Cage. It can't decide if it's a straight slasher or a deconstruction, so it fails at being both. (Except when Cage is onscreen, because Cage.)
8:53 And a serious subplot about stalking is out of place in a film where Pooh and Piglet kill people.
The way you explain the movie sounds like its a 15 short film, with an extra hour slapped on at the end.
I worked at one of the theaters which had it
Barely anyone came and the few that did hated it
This is one of those turds you'll probably see on syfy channel on a Wednesday at 1am
@XombieLejon66 aww but I like Syfy turds
What do you you mean 'noone talks of going to college' in the UK? In Scotland certainly we do (and we have several in my city), it's just that college is college and uni is uni. You'd get weird looks in Glasgow if you went to Clyde College and called it the "tech".
Primary > Secondary > College > Uni - that's how it went in the south west where I grew up
What’s crazy is this is how I found out about the sequel.
It took me ages to get around to watching the rest of your Five Nights At Winnie's upload because THE FIRST MINUTE WITH THE PUPPY REPLAYED AGAIN AND AGAIN AAAGGHHHH SO CUTE
Putting the puppy in the sponsored segment was a genius move
I sat through the whole thing without skipping and didn't even realise lmao
Congrats on the new house and pupper! Cheers to another Monday banger
I think the rant on setting a story in the UK but then consistently using American terminology is a valid complaint to have. It's just poor writing. If your creating a story that' set in another country than your own, you HAVE to commit to that. You have to do the research. You can't write it like they're the same place. If you don't want to be bothered, then make it take place in your own country.
Okay, very American interpretation, but this film reminds me of "don't feed the bears" PSAs. You're not supposed to feed wild animals because then they can lose the ability to feed themselves. They'll keep going to humans to provide them food, usually by digging through trash. Being in close proximity to each is usually bad for both humans and wild animals.
Presumably the creatures survived somehow before Christopher Robin came around, but they couldn't anymore after he took care of them. And then they resorted to eating people.
The worse crime this movie has committed is wasting the title "Blood and Honey" that is a good title
It is? I think you might be confused.
Okay, but if it wasn't this film how exactly would you make something else with that title?
The only thing I can think of is some kind of film about nazi scientists breeding killer bees that sting people to death (bonus points if it's in the Bee Movie universe), or possibly some film involving scaphism (which is probably one of the most cruel things imaginable and would be legitimately hard to sit through)
I get why the filmmakers wanted to make this as quickly as possible, but if they had actually taken the time to write a serious and heartfelt psychological drama/thriller, it could have been great.
I don't mind twisted versions of innocent stuff. I just want it to be good. What's next? "actually it was all a coma dream"?
The description of the dark, cartoony opening ironically reminded me of last year's "Unicorn Wars." Seemingly cute, sweet fantasy animals twisted by their own pain and hubris - *that's* a film worth watching, if you haven't! Doubly so for the team's previous work, "Birdboy: The Forgotten Children."
I miss 18 minutes ago when I didn’t know this movie existed
Winnie: "Hello, Ryan. Could I have a small smackle of....?
Ryan: "HOYEVER."
Winnie: "Oh bother."
They made a literal Winnie the Pooh slasher film, and yet, the scariest rendition of the property is still the episode of the live-action Disney Channel series about pedophiles.
Fucking WHAT
Don't leave us hanging, what's this about?
Excuse me....elaborate
Yeah, no, you're not getting out of this one. WHAT?!?!
It’s interesting you call College’s “techs”.
I’m Scottish, and here we call Universities “Universities” and colleges “colleges”.
I worked with the director of The Banana Splits Movie on a TV Show recently. I had (pretty mindless) fun with the movie though and she’s super cool! Also pretty wild filmography subject-wise
"the bastard child of Asylum and the Sci-Fi channel"... Oooo sick early to mid 2000's burn!!
If you want something that actually does this concept justice, read Winterset Hollow. It's The Most Dangerous Game with the animals of The Wind in the Willows.
Should we could call this genre “Domainsploitation”?
We have plenty of Subarus in the United States. 632,086 were sold here last year.
I feel like inverting this story - have Christopher Robin break bad and the toys attempt to reason and ultimately do battle with him might be a better way to spin this if you're really committed to making a Pooh horror film. Granted, that's probably a scenario that requires at least part way convincing animated toys, whether puppets or CG, or just folks in costumes scaled down with effects. Probably outside the budget of something like this without a great deal of creativity.
The scene with the men attacking Winnie was *so* poorly shot. Community stageplay-worthy level of impact to the blows.
Delightfully devilish of you to put your new puppy on screen so we have to watch the sponsor segment
Superintendent!
It would’ve done more as a cartoon rather than a live action film. I saw this movie at a Walmart and I was like wtf
CONGRATS on the house and especially the puppy, Cheddar is such a good name for that little scamp, they're adorable!
The newspaper articles were my moment, too. The guy owning the house isn't like "Oh, hey ladies, the gender most likely to be homicide victims, you might want to be careful being here in the sudden murder and disappearance capital of the UK!"
15:41 Waterfield's lying there since he paints the film as dead serious when it isn't.
I wish they had more creative killers than rubber mask wearing, generic slashers. Would have been cool to see them as toys that become monsters the more Christopher Robin fears them. Play into them being brought to life by his imagination, anything but slap a mask on say they're pissed off and call it a day
Cheddar is wonderful, and I hope they stick around for a loooonnnngg time ❤
If someone tries to make a Popeye slasher film once he becomes part of the public domain I swear that any public domain horror film won't have any grounds for professional judgement.
I wish we'd bring Popeye back into pop culture he's always been one of my favorite toons. Fleischer studios is so SO SO good and it's a tragedy that they died. I'd accept a cheesy horror movie in this case just for the sake or reminding people how awesome Popeye is.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control At least people would know who he is outside of his video game then.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control They were gonna make a new Popeye movie a couple of years ago (and the teaser honestly looked great), but it was cancelled for whatever BS reason
@@leetri it was cancelled because King Features owns Popeye. Sony isn’t allowed to produce a Popeye movie anymore, so King Features is going to make it later.
My husband wasn't impressed bc I chose this as our date night movie 😅 we were laughing more than anything. Especially when the girl with the glasses askes if Pooh was Zoe... howling, just howling.
I listened to one of the Fangoria podcasts interviewing the director back before this movie came out. I was deeply embarrassed for the host because the dude was clearly a cynical, opportunist hack.
I know I'm going to get flack for this, but I actually had fun with this film. Yes, it's got more flaws than can be counted, and yes, it's terrible and does nothing new in the slasher genre beyond make Winnie the Pooh a mad killer. However, I had a laugh watching it and am looking forward to seeing the sequel later this year.
Congrats on the home and the puppy, Ryan (fellow homeowner under 35 here). I hope you have many happy experiences with both. Also, please consider covering Prince of Darkness one of these days.
Difference is you said you had fun with it, not that’s it’s good. Lots of people conflate personally enjoying something with that thing actually being good
I loved it, cause it was exactly the kind of trash I thought it would be. Went to see it with my brother, cousin, and one of our bros, and we had a fuckin blast.
@@happymoomoocowcame here to say this very thing… thanks for saving me time.
It's ok to enjoy a film even if it's bad. There is a term for it (so bad it's good), and if you choose to go into that rabbit hole you'll find a whole new dimension of entertainment. Not sure how much you are in to that type of stuff. But a good entry would be through: The Room (2003. With Tommy Wiseau, not the Brie Larsson one hahaha), Wild Zero (exceptional Japanese zombie horror starring and made by an actual noise rock band), Troll 2 and Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky. Some of these are on Tubi, the rest must be "Jack Sparrowed" unfortunately.
Want a movie that will actually scare you with a murderous bear? Watch The Edge. Written my David Mamet. Music by Jerry Goldsmith. Stars Hopkins, Alec Baldwin, Harold Perinue.
Congrats on the house and puppy! I thought the animation in the beginning was really creepy but the rest of the movie was well...
This movie had so many missed opportunities I didn't have high hopes but I thought it would be at least fun or a good gore fest, for a guy who wanted this to be up there with Terrifier he sure pulled his punches. The Winnie the Pooh mask is so dang cool! The fact that this movie was called blood and honey and did not have a scene where there was a dead body in a jar of honey just makes me mourn the possibilities of how fun it could have been.
As eye-rolling as these horror films made to capitalize on an IP becoming public domain has been, the comcept of a Pooh horror story isn't that bad of a concept. Especially if you play with either psychological angle with Christopher Robin's wild imagination taking the better of him in a dark turn or a more supernatural, animalistic side, where the talking animals begin to revert back into primal creatures driven by bloodlust.
We already have a "Horror" themed Winnie the Pooh movie, it's called "Pooh's Grand Adventure."
It tackles how fear & seperation can turn somethings scarier when your imagination goes wild, and it had a much scarier "villain" in the form of the Skullasaurus (even if it was just the loud echoes of Pooh's rummbly tummbly, it still sounds scary to most who don't know where the sound is coming from & a monster from the imagination is more threatening than one you can physically see).
I still say the right way to do a dark Winnie the Pooh story would be about a bear cub becoming friends with a stray pig and then going on a quest for revenge against humanity when they recapture and eat him.
They spent so much time thinking about if they could that they didn't consider whether or not they should.
That puppy is adorable! What's his name? Is he housebroken yet?
I was initially entertained by the opening sequence, that had something going for it. Then we just got 2 generic slasher villains and lame kills; a hammer, chains and a knife? Should have brought them back to their most wild and feral form, it's a bear and a wild boar! They've got all the tools growing from their bodies.
*Reads title*
"No, it's WORSE"
*Plays video*
I'm tempted to write out my drinking rules for every Ryan video. Long time fan! Thanks for covering such a wide range of films!
I feel like a truly great winnie the pooh horror movie would either be something more on the nose like Chucky or perhaps embrace the cheap looking masks by making it a weird winnie the pooh version of Clockwork orange.
Okay, you found the trick to making us watch the in-video ad. More bestest of pups!!!!
Congrats on the house and good luck with the puppy, Ryan!
8:06 Kudos to whoever made that "Bear Man Pig Sighted" newspaper lol
The one outside of the station is a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo (probably a 4 or a 5) round foglights on the front lower bumper and hood vents
If ‘Winnie The Pooh: Blood and Honey’ was more of a dark gothic fairytale (similar to Angela Carter’s ‘The Bloody Chamber’), rather than a typical slasher with irritating characters and a need to inappropriately sexualise women when possible (a woman had to have her top removed before being killed), the film may have been ok.
Props for working “mise-en-scene” into this, film student classic
My thought on the fact this movie exists and it's getting a sequel: "Oh bother..."
The word college is used in the UK.
And a month later, they trailer/posters for a sequel "Winnie the pooh - Blood and Honey 2"
My favorite character was the lady who was like "come on piglet and had the one on one around the fire place
The characters had a *gun* and still got killed. In short, yes
I'll be honest, Waterfield saying he believes his work has longevity, I completely forgot they made this shlock. He really does lack any self awareness.
I think I'm just really over how "creepy pasta x IP" this was. A good, dark retelling can make you appreciate both the new and old story. When it's just mean and or just gorn....there is so much other entertainment to enjoy.
2:20 y'all, bear with him - Ryan, are you being held hostage? Blink twice if Winnie is with you now!
They should have leaned completely into horror or completely into shlocky camp for Blood and Honey
First of all: congratulations on your new home and new puppy, Ryan!
Second of all: thank you for doing this movie. I never wanted to touch the damn thing so you've saved me a lot of time spent cringing and wincing
Sounds like a grandchild of the "controversial" X-Files episode "Home" about a mutant hillbilly family. They played around with small town sheriff named Andy Taylor.
I think what makes this movie so infuriating is just how much it does not give a fuck about the source material. Any potential for an actually thoughtful twisted reimagining of a beloved children's book was just utterly wasted.
This movie gives off Evil Dead reboot movie vibes especially in the beginning.
Hey Ryan, love your reviews! Helped me discover a whole list of new horror movies!
Throwing these out there, I suggest giving these analog horror series a go:
Harmany & Horror (th-cam.com/play/PLlPY_oQkD0jFzIzZCGoUIO0daF2-plTxI.html)
Liminal Land (www.youtube.com/@LiminalLand)
The latter is one I discovered only recently but has a really interesting premise, while the former is one I keep coming back to, no matter how much it scares the crap out of me!
I think it was one of the folks from Spill/Double Toasted that brought it up, of when sloppy and bad film making is just kind of shrugged off as "Well it suppose to be bad". Like for a while when we where getting "Grind House" style films, and it was largely just wink and nod with artificial filters put over it to make it look like a cheaper film
As oppose to someone trying their best to make a film within their limitation.
One of the only movies i ever gave 0.5 stars on Letterboxd 👏
It's a Mitsubishi, Lancer Evolution.
That's why there are no lesbians in this movie 😂
Cheers to you for making it through the whole thing. I couldn’t finish it. It was boring, logically lacking, and did I mention boring?
Ryan have you ever watched the toolbox murders? It came out the same year as Halloween but is never talked about. It's not a masterpiece but mannnn it has some 70s charmmm
My idea for a dark and subversive Winnie the Pooh would be a kind of alternate history take where Christopher Milne's difficulty in school and subsequent military service were significantly worse. It would start out with him as child and (because magic, or whatever) his father's books managed to bring the characters to life and they try to be his friend and help him with his bullying but he just resents them. Then when he comes back from war, he discovers that in his absence, his father's books magically manifested Christopher Robin from the books into reality. So while he was out fighting, a perfect and immortal version of himself got to have fun lighthearted adventures with what was supposed to be Milne's best friends. The movie would end with Milne going all Rambo and capturing Christopher Robin, Pooh, and the others and selling them to an evil corporation to be immortal entertainments who'll never age, don't need to be paid, and don't have any real rights of their own. It's a grim ending, until you catch on to the fact that the existence of the film, in a meta sense, implies that the manifested characters obtained some sort of freedom.
Casually dropping a far superior movie and than leaving us wanting more. Well done!
Please talk about "the Cottage"!!??!
The beginning animation was so good. It's a shame how soulless the rest of the movie was.
Mad respect for waiting for the hype to die down before talking about it instead of jumping on the hype train with everyone else. Seriously, any time anyone takes their time with anything on the internet anymore, I have to applaud them, well done sir. :)
The first couple of minutes of this movie were wildly different from the rest. I genuinely thought it was going to be a lot more grindhouse/exploitation than it actually ended up being, and it was actually uncomfortable for those few minutes. It... wasn't that.
The movie is far more amusing if you pretend Christopher just got back for Thanksgiving break of his first semester and they already went crazy.
Honestly I couldn't even really enjoy this as a bad movie with friends. we were all so bored that we were practically falling asleep.
Congrats on the new pup! ❤
An American here, you just shot my ass to 6th grade when me and a friend watched dog house randomly on Netflix and I never could find the movie since so thanks for that partner
Ryan, I've been subcribed to you for years for my psychological horror fix. Know all of your efforts have been lost to Cheddar, they are my new main inspiration and love. Sorry Ryan.
Please do Dogtooth!!
PUPPY!!!! every sponsor should have a puppy video attached