Powerful Aha moments in this sharing that I had previously been too shut down to see... My mind created those false images to explain feelings of guilt I had wrongly projected back to others. And I wrongly thought I needed time & space to heal them. I need only choose again with Holy Spirit (true forgiveness.) When my mind connects with Holy Spirit, those thoughts of victimhood & vengeance, hold no power or purpose for me to dwell. Phew 😂
I'm afraid we have a different interpretation. The Course says throughout that, while we are one with each other and with God, there is distinction within the oneness. We have discussed the Course's evidence for this in many podcasts: What the Course says about oneness: th-cam.com/video/T2ctsDiEFbY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tSUFCPXBtUnhUjZ- Is the Course a nondual path? th-cam.com/video/tyC3SgoNIrg/w-d-xo.html Should we seek to change the world? th-cam.com/video/InbEzFHfoCY/w-d-xo.html We go into this idea in detail in these episodes so you're welcome to listen to those for more. - Emily xx
Sweeeet clarity! Thank you. Another ACIM example of our thinking being 180° from the Truth. In the words of the immortal Frank Zappa: “Everything you know is wrong.” 😂
There are six forgiveness lessons in the Workbook where we are directed to choose one person (or many people) and then we are taken through a process of forgiving them. They are Lessons 46, 68, 78, 121, 134, and 161.
all this is very beautiful in theory, but please let me ask you: if someone murdered, raped etc. could we forgive it totally? and if we forgive him, should we judge him on his crimes? personally, i find that even thinking about forgiveness for Hamas ppl for example, is hard for me. and i feel that forgiveness as you talk about, isnt applicable in the day to day life. and you could say "the day to day life aren't real", but we should accept decisions in our day to day life! should we fight hamas or not, for example? from what i see there is a gap between the course and the fact that you live in a system with physical rules, even you could say again and again that "it isnt real". no one would forgive a mass killer and let him go around free in the streets and continues his doing. do you think its right to forgive in such situations? not judge in such situations? the only way i could accept this total forgiveness idea, is if i say that i forgive to the part in myself that creates this, like in the hawaopono method.
I hear you. It’s a huge issue. Jesus’ teachings are so radically nonviolent that he didn’t resist his own murder and says in the Course that we can do the same. It seems so far beyond what we’re capable of - or even what seems right - in this world. My personal view is that action needs to be taken to stop an aggressor. Those who are perpetuating violence need to be stopped. But then the question becomes: how do we view “the enemy” and what kind of resistance will “win”? This is where we can take a page from the US struggle for civil rights. I’ll post a link to a sermon that I hope can help. - Emily
@@CircleOfAtonement in other words: i could forgive someone that i could understand. if i could say "maybe i was acting like him if i was in the same situation", i could forgive. even if someone would kill me on my beliefs, or on a battle etc, i could understand it and forgive! but i couldn't understand cruelty that was made on purpose. this is beyond my "forgiveness limits"
@@yosefco3 I understand. We are so incredibly vicious to each other here. Regarding the Course, I can tell you two things: (1) It isn't asking us to look away from human suffering by saying the world isn't real. It's asking us to heal the suffering through love. (2) In the Course, we don't forgive because we can empathize with the perpetrator. We forgive becuase we see the holiness in them beyond what these bodies do. I honestly understand that this stretches our forgiveness limits. At the same time, I agree that hate only perpetuates more hate. Love is the only way through because love is the only thing that truly heals. I'm truly sorry the world is such a violent place. I'm not sure what else to say but I do send you peace and I'm happy to answer any additional questions you have. - Emily
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Powerful Aha moments in this sharing that I had previously been too shut down to see... My mind created those false images to explain feelings of guilt I had wrongly projected back to others. And I wrongly thought I needed time & space to heal them. I need only choose again with Holy Spirit (true forgiveness.) When my mind connects with Holy Spirit, those thoughts of victimhood & vengeance, hold no power or purpose for me to dwell. Phew 😂
There is no 'other'. Everyone is a reflection of our own thoughts, and we are only responsible for our own thoughts.
I'm afraid we have a different interpretation. The Course says throughout that, while we are one with each other and with God, there is distinction within the oneness. We have discussed the Course's evidence for this in many podcasts:
What the Course says about oneness: th-cam.com/video/T2ctsDiEFbY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tSUFCPXBtUnhUjZ-
Is the Course a nondual path? th-cam.com/video/tyC3SgoNIrg/w-d-xo.html
Should we seek to change the world? th-cam.com/video/InbEzFHfoCY/w-d-xo.html
We go into this idea in detail in these episodes so you're welcome to listen to those for more. - Emily xx
Beautiful TY for this deep insightful conversation...YOU are much loved and appreciated🩷🙏
Sweeeet clarity! Thank you. Another ACIM example of our thinking being 180° from the Truth. In the words of the immortal Frank Zappa: “Everything you know is wrong.” 😂
Great topic. Thank you. ❤
Forgiveness is for the forgiver
It's a foundational part of the Course's thought system that forgiveness is for the other person and for us.
Even when they don’t accept it… it’s not incumbent upon the offender to accept grace. Even though Grace is their sufficiency as well.
What do you consider the 6 forgiveness lessons in the workbook?
There are six forgiveness lessons in the Workbook where we are directed to choose one person (or many people) and then we are taken through a process of forgiving them. They are Lessons 46, 68, 78, 121, 134, and 161.
all this is very beautiful in theory, but please let me ask you:
if someone murdered, raped etc. could we forgive it totally? and if we forgive him, should we judge him on his crimes?
personally, i find that even thinking about forgiveness for Hamas ppl for example, is hard for me.
and i feel that forgiveness as you talk about, isnt applicable in the day to day life. and you could say "the day to day life aren't real", but we should accept decisions in our day to day life! should we fight hamas or not, for example?
from what i see there is a gap between the course and the fact that you live in a system with physical rules, even you could say again and again that "it isnt real". no one would forgive a mass killer and let him go around free in the streets and continues his doing. do you think its right to forgive in such situations? not judge in such situations?
the only way i could accept this total forgiveness idea, is
if i say that i forgive to the part in myself that creates this, like in the hawaopono method.
I hear you. It’s a huge issue. Jesus’ teachings are so radically nonviolent that he didn’t resist his own murder and says in the Course that we can do the same. It seems so far beyond what we’re capable of - or even what seems right - in this world. My personal view is that action needs to be taken to stop an aggressor. Those who are perpetuating violence need to be stopped. But then the question becomes: how do we view “the enemy” and what kind of resistance will “win”? This is where we can take a page from the US struggle for civil rights. I’ll post a link to a sermon that I hope can help. - Emily
Here is that sermon: th-cam.com/video/z_s6NcdEaus/w-d-xo.htmlsi=z2yN-F-8tH_hNlij
@@CircleOfAtonement in other words: i could forgive someone that i could understand. if i could say "maybe i was acting like him if i was in the same situation", i could forgive. even if someone would kill me on my beliefs, or on a battle etc, i could understand it and forgive! but i couldn't understand cruelty that was made on purpose. this is beyond my "forgiveness limits"
@@yosefco3 I understand. We are so incredibly vicious to each other here. Regarding the Course, I can tell you two things: (1) It isn't asking us to look away from human suffering by saying the world isn't real. It's asking us to heal the suffering through love. (2) In the Course, we don't forgive because we can empathize with the perpetrator. We forgive becuase we see the holiness in them beyond what these bodies do.
I honestly understand that this stretches our forgiveness limits. At the same time, I agree that hate only perpetuates more hate. Love is the only way through because love is the only thing that truly heals. I'm truly sorry the world is such a violent place. I'm not sure what else to say but I do send you peace and I'm happy to answer any additional questions you have. - Emily