My hubby and I enjoy listening to these videos. He has a small roster and gets discouraged w all the overpowered heroes. I love dbl limit breaking 3* s as i use Felton, etc all the time. Thank you for all the time and information! Ice next!
@@McNaultyYT its a bit of a secret if you go out of top 100. Basicly Kalo, Isarnia, Yunan, Greel and Df team. Go on apex and let him kill everyone except Kalo. Than you go attack hordes with just spaming Kalo who basicly fills himself with mana all the time ;)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THESE…it really helps me clean out heroes I really don’t need & focus on one’s I have but look over…I have Alessia LB; Brienne LU but not fully LB & I have her costume; although not leveled, I have Faiez, Kalo, Villiers, Alfie…additionally I have LB Franz, Lionstring, Brynhild, & Melendor 🙌🏽💚💚💚💚
After a very disappointing 30-pull from the Black Friday summon with NO 5-stars (thus enhanced need to clean house): I thank you very much for these videos!
I had my doubts about Shrubby.... and learned my lesson! The resources to get a 3* to 2LB and get that 3 turns of Taunt at the start, especially in Rush war, is like trading a pawn for a Queen - past 2 weeks I've gone 4-1 gold + shrubby vs. purple tanks (goseck & alfrike) and won both battles. Thanks again McNaulty & I'm still kicking myself for not listening 7 months ago LOLOLOL.
Cheers buddy 🍻 glad u have finally seen the light 😅😅😅 he's a fantastic little unit especially in rush and been pretty useful so far in the tournament this week too. Thanks for sharing 👍
Great list, I am definitely gonna miss the weekly big list video of you. Kalo is definitely a fear inducing hero and becomes priority to get rid off whenever facing in raids. As usual I like to give mention to the Hero Academy available 4*, Peters and Hansel. So if F2P and/or just unlucky, they are still guaranteed to be reachable. Especially Hansel is still in use (and carried me in this weeks tournament enough with Li Xiu to only get 1 loss so far). With his skill one can control one pesky enemy hero, to avoid their special and even reset their mana to 50% by pushing them to full mana when afflicted. Was lucky last year to get Ptolemy and he instantly took the healer spot (which was previously Azmia). He is insanely helpful, has good heal with a solid chance to overheal and get rid of 1 ailment from all allies, which is often just enough to avoid trouble (so I would set him on the list; but then again, Disco-Gandalf has still eluded me 😂). My vote still goes to fire 🔥. Again, thanks for your great video and have a great rest of the week! Edit: Forgot to mention, that Shrubbear can be got from HA 3* training (although I didn't LB2 him yet).
Awesome SV thanks for the feedback! I have got some plans for a few vids in a similar vein once I complete this series which I hope u guys will like and should be just as useful plus the hero pool is always growing so there is that 👍 hard luck on Disco Mel 😅 he will grace u soon I'm sure and good shout with Hansel and Peter's both can be pretty helpful for taming tricky defenses in tourneys. 👍💪😉
Great vid again mr❤ i'v got zarola, brienne and Faiez!And got Lionstring, for free and mine beast LB2 with full emblems CCaedmon 😊 I use him 95% of the time and Im still F2P gamer. Have a 2nd copy also of Caedmon still lvl1. I think we have the same taste in these 3* and 4* heroes 😅
Yay Ty! 😉🔥👍 they are some of the most fun heroes TBH I'd love if we had 4 star wars to even the playing field every once in a while ;?) Tx 4 ur comments! 👍👍👍
Thank You for these videos, I enjoy playing 3 star and 4 star events. I dont feel like they arent so much a money pitt. I'm eagerly waiting for the fire.
I think youre sleeping just a LITTLE bit on Mielikki and Hansel. Mielikki has always given me fits in tournaments and when I have her on defense she seems to give me wins too, and this isnt just for bloody battles. And with Hansel with the costume and limit breaks, he makes him very much survivable. Just a little bit of food for thought. Thanks as always for offering your thoughts. Your content is always the most welcome in the E&P TH-cam world
Man I am sorry it has taken me so long to get to this comment. I agree on Meilikki btw she was set as my 5th spot but I have an inkling about Lionstring even though he is barely out and untested I just think he may out tank her on defense but we will see. I do primarily see her as a defensive specialist and have gone up against her many many times in the tournament. Because I dont use her on my own defense I'm not sure about the scores but in attacking her she seems not to pose too much of a problem so I had to go with what I know. Hansel I wouldn't sleep on either I think he is good and somewhat value protected due to his skill but on defense he will fall too easily so as I said they both have their areas where they are good but not top 5 IMHO. Thanks for the props too by the way 👍🍻🙏 much appreciated 😉
@@McNaultyYT Absolutely no worries! And no criticism on my part, I just wanted to prop up a couple of my fav greens that you didnt include in your top 5. I also forgot to vote for the color, if you havent started the next video I will vote for blue
Yep, I agree with you. Kalø should be #1. Caedmon and his costumes collect dust on my roster, whereas Kalø gets used often. Personally, I would put Kalø 1, Franz 2, and then maybe Caedmon at 3.
4* tier list (uncomplete) Top Caedmon.C, Kalo, Franz, Melandor, Lionstring S Alfie Almur, Brynhild, Lionstring, mieliki, Orla, Mulgog, villier, Marcel (beast) S niche: Gadeirus.C (event, rushT) A+ Anton A Brontes, Hansel, Little John, Peters.C, Reke, Tettukh Ptolemy (pretty good) B Buddy, wrenn Not fan: Gobbler, Raleigh (too slow) Outdatted Jack o' Waste of space : Kashrek Terrible: Numbskull, Skittleskull 3* Lackluster: William (new troll portal)
C-Mielikki should be in the top 5 imo. On offense, she's perfect because no one uses minion counters on D. On D, even with perfectly timed counters every mana charge, she's still massive HP and attack down.
I must admit I was very on the fence about her specifically and I had a hard time choosing between her and Lionstring for the number 5 spot. That said I'm going slightly controversial picking a brand new hero BUT I think he may out tank her... just ....but it's very very close. Plus she is a beautiful hero cant knock her for that. I'll happily concede a joint 5th for Mielikki... not making another video tho 😅😅😅😅👍
Just wondering: You have chosen Gunnar from ice heroes to top 5 with sould connection and defence down for enemies, yet here You didnt mention about Dolgoon, though he makes the same. Also second magic level spell is faster than slow speed, if I am correct, so even better. This character has two different spells so is even more versitile. I am not using it yet, yet many people recommend it for leveling. Also Hisan is fast, has 4 skills, (including higher single target dmg than Alessia 280 vs 250) and sand damage can be very annoying while hero is on ping levels (like Roc C). So sand horse is quite nice, exept low hp.
Hiya 👋 thanks for the comments. So firstly with CGunnar he is primarily good for challenge events so the speed doesn't really matter as u will use items to charge him. Whilst dolgoon can be used he is less effective becuse you have to use more mana pots to charge him up and u need those for the 3rd wave. Plus it wastes time which gives u a lower score. The sand horse is OK as a sniper but his stats are so dated. That means whilst you may see a higher damage % newer heroes like Zarola and Allessia will actually hit harder at lower %'s hope that helps 😉 and thaks again. 🍻
No Probs they are on the forum under Hero Libraries. Sadly Zartanis who made the no longer plays but he has them up to date until June/July on there. Hope that helps.
I messed up so badly. I fed Melendor to Ptolemy when I was only a few days in like an idiot thinking Ptolemy was better. I didn't know there was a point in saving multiple heros yet. I didn't know how all you had to do was just keep your TC2 constantly training, and there would've been no need to do something so stupid. I don't think I could've made a worse decision.
Hi Polgara 👋 ur right I might've missed him on this one. He's basically the nature tyrum and I rated tyrum highly so yeah good shout 👌 👏 👍 he's a solid hero.
@@McNaultyYT Mnesseus and Tyrum are both great when needed, but their stats needs a boost... Hopefully the Atlantis costume bonus will catch up at some point? 🤔
Cheers 🍻 thanks. I think I had the same comment before a while back. My bad, can't recall why i miss said her special here. I think it was just cause I couldn't remember everyone on the list. Either way thanks for the comment 😉 hope u enjoyed the rest of it at least😊
@McNaultyYT yeah man thanks for giving us so much information I actually use your information to make a decision on my picks for leveling up cause I'm free to play much love from trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 🙏🏾
Hi again McNaulty 😊 shame you can't put like every time watching😂 You should gain 15 likes from me only for this vid😅 every time I get a new hero coming back to your vids ❤
Amazing tx Cilla ❤️ so blessed to hear feedback like this it definitely makes it worth it. That is exactly what I want these videos to be. A point of reference for new and old players for when they pull a new hero and wanna know whether they are worth maxing. TY 😉🙏
Aaaahhh you may be right I skimmed over her a little too quickly mainly cause I haven't used levelled or played much against her but on second glance she looks like a bit of a G probably at least as good with the fiends as Allesia. Thanks for Corectifying me Broski 👍🍻😉🙏
This is the first one I've really disagreed with. By-Ulf is amazing. He's like a 3* Brynhld. Shrubbear is worthless. Everytime I play the bear on offense, the other team fires all their specials before I can get my taunt off. When I face him on defense, I'm like great, a tile dump. I can see him being good double LB in rush, but alphas are too valuable for 3*s.
3*s are definitely worth a single alpha ether for a lot of people. With 3*s, top 1% is achievable, and top 100 is possible for C2P players. That makes 3* and 4* fun. With 5* , it's impossible to place anywhere near the top without spending an ass-ton of money. Check out the top team rosters on the leaderboards vs the pulling odds
I make top 1% in tourny's regularly without double LB 3 or 4 *'s. I save my alpha aethers for 5*'s so I can try and compete in wars. Tbh tho. been FTP for about a year now and wars not going so good.@@Glabe87
Cheers Apex I get where ur coming from with ByUlf I haven't used him much but just to confirm and this could make a difference.. can his buffs be dispelled?... I know the card says the negative effects cant but if the positive ones are undispellable too then I may have to reconsider. That's what makes Brynhild so great is the immunity to buff dispels after she fires. As far as Shrubbear is concerned he is not good in defense but he has saved my bacon many times in rush and that is his niche. I do put a high value on his Autotaunt tho so without the LB2 he will let u down for what is his his best use case. I'd encourage you to try giving him one precious AAether and use him in the next rush war on one of ur attack teams... unless u have 3 ludwig's ofc 😅 ;?)
good point on the undispellable. They aren't. I value heroes on defense that punish bad to mediocre boards because you always lose to good boards. If Ulf fires once or twice before you get going, he's difficult to come back from.@@McNaultyYT
RhineGlow much better tank than the gargoyle idk how you are praising the badgoyle Mr Glow does everything and more except for softskin which is good but not better than 1200 DMG to all on top of that aether talent taunt is much better than a measly 10% defence maybe u forgot him but whti heard best tank in the game he's definitely not glow is imo thoughts?
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C3 Caedmon, i still use him on raids and wars as a 3k cup player. That lockdown on buffs on 3 targets at fast is invaluable. Thanks for this review.
My hubby and I enjoy listening to these videos. He has a small roster and gets discouraged w all the overpowered heroes. I love dbl limit breaking 3* s as i use Felton, etc all the time. Thank you for all the time and information! Ice next!
Tx Sassy as always glad to keep my favourite couple in the loop 😂😂😂😂👍❣
Apart from rush war and tournaments, Kalo really shines on monster island event. Nice video again, I love theese :)
Thanks for the feedback I haven't tried him in Monster Island' Good 2 know 😉👍🍻
@@McNaultyYT its a bit of a secret if you go out of top 100. Basicly Kalo, Isarnia, Yunan, Greel and Df team. Go on apex and let him kill everyone except Kalo. Than you go attack hordes with just spaming Kalo who basicly fills himself with mana all the time ;)
@@GeneralJdontspend SWEET!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THESE…it really helps me clean out heroes I really don’t need & focus on one’s I have but look over…I have Alessia LB; Brienne LU but not fully LB & I have her costume; although not leveled, I have Faiez, Kalo, Villiers, Alfie…additionally I have LB Franz, Lionstring, Brynhild, & Melendor 🙌🏽💚💚💚💚
Cheers Edwin and ty glad these vids are helping! 💚🌿🍃👍🍻
After a very disappointing 30-pull from the Black Friday summon with NO 5-stars (thus enhanced need to clean house): I thank you very much for these videos!
@@joem8251 tysm 😊 🙏
I had my doubts about Shrubby.... and learned my lesson! The resources to get a 3* to 2LB and get that 3 turns of Taunt at the start, especially in Rush war, is like trading a pawn for a Queen - past 2 weeks I've gone 4-1 gold + shrubby vs. purple tanks (goseck & alfrike) and won both battles. Thanks again McNaulty & I'm still kicking myself for not listening 7 months ago LOLOLOL.
Cheers buddy 🍻 glad u have finally seen the light 😅😅😅 he's a fantastic little unit especially in rush and been pretty useful so far in the tournament this week too. Thanks for sharing 👍
These videos have been so helpful, thank you!
🍻🙏👍
Kalø stuning beast,i use him more then 5☆ Gelert😂 Thank you for video!😊
Fantastic Video indeed, as always McNaulty delivers continuously.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great list, I am definitely gonna miss the weekly big list video of you. Kalo is definitely a fear inducing hero and becomes priority to get rid off whenever facing in raids. As usual I like to give mention to the Hero Academy available 4*, Peters and Hansel. So if F2P and/or just unlucky, they are still guaranteed to be reachable. Especially Hansel is still in use (and carried me in this weeks tournament enough with Li Xiu to only get 1 loss so far). With his skill one can control one pesky enemy hero, to avoid their special and even reset their mana to 50% by pushing them to full mana when afflicted. Was lucky last year to get Ptolemy and he instantly took the healer spot (which was previously Azmia). He is insanely helpful, has good heal with a solid chance to overheal and get rid of 1 ailment from all allies, which is often just enough to avoid trouble (so I would set him on the list; but then again, Disco-Gandalf has still eluded me 😂). My vote still goes to fire 🔥. Again, thanks for your great video and have a great rest of the week!
Edit: Forgot to mention, that Shrubbear can be got from HA 3* training (although I didn't LB2 him yet).
Awesome SV thanks for the feedback! I have got some plans for a few vids in a similar vein once I complete this series which I hope u guys will like and should be just as useful plus the hero pool is always growing so there is that 👍 hard luck on Disco Mel 😅 he will grace u soon I'm sure and good shout with Hansel and Peter's both can be pretty helpful for taming tricky defenses in tourneys. 👍💪😉
Great vid again mr❤ i'v got zarola, brienne and Faiez!And got Lionstring, for free and
mine beast LB2 with full emblems CCaedmon 😊 I use him 95% of the time and
Im still F2P gamer. Have a 2nd copy also of Caedmon still lvl1.
I think we have the same taste in these 3* and 4* heroes 😅
Yay Ty! 😉🔥👍 they are some of the most fun heroes TBH I'd love if we had 4 star wars to even the playing field every once in a while ;?) Tx 4 ur comments! 👍👍👍
Thank You for these videos, I enjoy playing 3 star and 4 star events. I dont feel like they arent so much a money pitt. I'm eagerly waiting for the fire.
Glad you like them! Thanks and Sos for the late reply;?)
Thank you love the videos helps so much would like to see ice next
McNaulty another amazing video.
Ty 😊
I think youre sleeping just a LITTLE bit on Mielikki and Hansel. Mielikki has always given me fits in tournaments and when I have her on defense she seems to give me wins too, and this isnt just for bloody battles. And with Hansel with the costume and limit breaks, he makes him very much survivable. Just a little bit of food for thought. Thanks as always for offering your thoughts. Your content is always the most welcome in the E&P TH-cam world
Man I am sorry it has taken me so long to get to this comment. I agree on Meilikki btw she was set as my 5th spot but I have an inkling about Lionstring even though he is barely out and untested I just think he may out tank her on defense but we will see. I do primarily see her as a defensive specialist and have gone up against her many many times in the tournament. Because I dont use her on my own defense I'm not sure about the scores but in attacking her she seems not to pose too much of a problem so I had to go with what I know. Hansel I wouldn't sleep on either I think he is good and somewhat value protected due to his skill but on defense he will fall too easily so as I said they both have their areas where they are good but not top 5 IMHO. Thanks for the props too by the way 👍🍻🙏 much appreciated 😉
@@McNaultyYT Absolutely no worries! And no criticism on my part, I just wanted to prop up a couple of my fav greens that you didnt include in your top 5.
I also forgot to vote for the color, if you havent started the next video I will vote for blue
Another Massive video indeed!!!
I haven’t used Zarola, but I think Fianna would make my top 5 Rare heroes. :)
Fire next great video
Yep, I agree with you. Kalø should be #1. Caedmon and his costumes collect dust on my roster, whereas Kalø gets used often. Personally, I would put Kalø 1, Franz 2, and then maybe Caedmon at 3.
The thing that scares me is that Boril getting his toon costume. If he gets his counterattack as undispellable, it's game over.
😂 Now there's a thought! 🤔 best not to speak to loudly or the Devs may punish us all 😂😂😂
Awww. Man. I heart goopy
Haven't finished watching yet, but had to comment on you calling Ptolemy bald. He's wearing a hat :D
Oops 😂 maybe he is bald under the hat.. let's say he is for argument sake. Always gonna keep it raw though Scripts r boring 😂😅
4* tier list (uncomplete)
Top Caedmon.C, Kalo, Franz, Melandor, Lionstring
S Alfie Almur, Brynhild, Lionstring, mieliki, Orla, Mulgog, villier, Marcel (beast)
S niche: Gadeirus.C (event, rushT)
A+ Anton
A Brontes, Hansel, Little John, Peters.C, Reke, Tettukh
Ptolemy (pretty good)
B Buddy, wrenn
Not fan: Gobbler, Raleigh (too slow)
Outdatted Jack o'
Waste of space : Kashrek
Terrible: Numbskull, Skittleskull
3*
Lackluster: William (new troll portal)
Cheers Sylphou I am probably going to wait a bit to update these tier lists likely after the Summer events 😉
Blue. Let's see where Planchet lands =)
thanks this is very good
Thanks Michael you are most welcome 🙏 glad u found it helpful.
Very usefull, tanks!
C-Mielikki should be in the top 5 imo. On offense, she's perfect because no one uses minion counters on D.
On D, even with perfectly timed counters every mana charge, she's still massive HP and attack down.
Another great video, btw. Excited for more!
I must admit I was very on the fence about her specifically and I had a hard time choosing between her and Lionstring for the number 5 spot. That said I'm going slightly controversial picking a brand new hero BUT I think he may out tank her... just ....but it's very very close. Plus she is a beautiful hero cant knock her for that. I'll happily concede a joint 5th for Mielikki... not making another video tho 😅😅😅😅👍
Thanks!
Just wondering: You have chosen Gunnar from ice heroes to top 5 with sould connection and defence down for enemies, yet here You didnt mention about Dolgoon, though he makes the same. Also second magic level spell is faster than slow speed, if I am correct, so even better. This character has two different spells so is even more versitile. I am not using it yet, yet many people recommend it for leveling.
Also Hisan is fast, has 4 skills, (including higher single target dmg than Alessia 280 vs 250) and sand damage can be very annoying while hero is on ping levels (like Roc C). So sand horse is quite nice, exept low hp.
Hiya 👋 thanks for the comments. So firstly with CGunnar he is primarily good for challenge events so the speed doesn't really matter as u will use items to charge him. Whilst dolgoon can be used he is less effective becuse you have to use more mana pots to charge him up and u need those for the 3rd wave. Plus it wastes time which gives u a lower score. The sand horse is OK as a sniper but his stats are so dated. That means whilst you may see a higher damage % newer heroes like Zarola and Allessia will actually hit harder at lower %'s hope that helps 😉 and thaks again. 🍻
Where did you get these rosters from? Be cool to be able to reference them, thanks!
No Probs they are on the forum under Hero Libraries. Sadly Zartanis who made the no longer plays but he has them up to date until June/July on there. Hope that helps.
I messed up so badly. I fed Melendor to Ptolemy when I was only a few days in like an idiot thinking Ptolemy was better. I didn't know there was a point in saving multiple heros yet. I didn't know how all you had to do was just keep your TC2 constantly training, and there would've been no need to do something so stupid. I don't think I could've made a worse decision.
Oops 😅 don't worry mistakes happen and he's bound to come round again soon. Just no more feeding good heroes okay? 😂😂😂 thanks 4 sharing 😉👍💪🍻
Strange you don't like Mnesseus and Costume? 🤔
I love his Dispell and Cleanse... 🤩
Hi Polgara 👋 ur right I might've missed him on this one. He's basically the nature tyrum and I rated tyrum highly so yeah good shout 👌 👏 👍 he's a solid hero.
@@McNaultyYT
Mnesseus and Tyrum are both great when needed, but their stats needs a boost...
Hopefully the Atlantis costume bonus will catch up at some point? 🤔
Fianna is a hit3 for 225 and summon a fiend
Cheers 🍻 thanks. I think I had the same comment before a while back. My bad, can't recall why i miss said her special here. I think it was just cause I couldn't remember everyone on the list. Either way thanks for the comment 😉 hope u enjoyed the rest of it at least😊
@McNaultyYT yeah man thanks for giving us so much information I actually use your information to make a decision on my picks for leveling up cause I'm free to play much love from trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 🙏🏾
@@bashment89 Awesome 👌 👏 Wow from TNT that's Dynamite! 💥 lol.
Just got AlmurC S tier! He will pair with Alfie to destroy ice titans. :D
Wrong video..dam not post ing this again sure u all know what heros I'm talking ABOUT tho 😂
Lol we know Rhineglow is great 😅😅😅
Hi again McNaulty 😊 shame you can't put like every time watching😂
You should gain 15 likes from me only for this vid😅 every time I get a new hero coming back to your vids ❤
Amazing tx Cilla ❤️ so blessed to hear feedback like this it definitely makes it worth it. That is exactly what I want these videos to be. A point of reference for new and old players for when they pull a new hero and wanna know whether they are worth maxing. TY 😉🙏
Fire please
You are snoozing on fianna she a hit 3 not a single hit target like you said. I have her leveled and am not disappointed..
Aaaahhh you may be right I skimmed over her a little too quickly mainly cause I haven't used levelled or played much against her but on second glance she looks like a bit of a G probably at least as good with the fiends as Allesia. Thanks for Corectifying me Broski 👍🍻😉🙏
Mc naulty u got an adress id possible to send u my heroes to tell me what should i remove ?
Sure no problem if u have Line my I'd is mcnaulty u can send me a fee snaps of ur roster on there ;?)
@@McNaultyYT very much aprreciate ur such a nice person
This is the first one I've really disagreed with. By-Ulf is amazing. He's like a 3* Brynhld. Shrubbear is worthless. Everytime I play the bear on offense, the other team fires all their specials before I can get my taunt off. When I face him on defense, I'm like great, a tile dump. I can see him being good double LB in rush, but alphas are too valuable for 3*s.
3*s are definitely worth a single alpha ether for a lot of people. With 3*s, top 1% is achievable, and top 100 is possible for C2P players. That makes 3* and 4* fun. With 5* , it's impossible to place anywhere near the top without spending an ass-ton of money. Check out the top team rosters on the leaderboards vs the pulling odds
I make top 1% in tourny's regularly without double LB 3 or 4 *'s. I save my alpha aethers for 5*'s so I can try and compete in wars. Tbh tho. been FTP for about a year now and wars not going so good.@@Glabe87
Cheers Apex I get where ur coming from with ByUlf I haven't used him much but just to confirm and this could make a difference.. can his buffs be dispelled?... I know the card says the negative effects cant but if the positive ones are undispellable too then I may have to reconsider. That's what makes Brynhild so great is the immunity to buff dispels after she fires. As far as Shrubbear is concerned he is not good in defense but he has saved my bacon many times in rush and that is his niche. I do put a high value on his Autotaunt tho so without the LB2 he will let u down for what is his his best use case. I'd encourage you to try giving him one precious AAether and use him in the next rush war on one of ur attack teams... unless u have 3 ludwig's ofc 😅 ;?)
good point on the undispellable. They aren't. I value heroes on defense that punish bad to mediocre boards because you always lose to good boards. If Ulf fires once or twice before you get going, he's difficult to come back from.@@McNaultyYT
RhineGlow much better tank than the gargoyle idk how you are praising the badgoyle Mr Glow does everything and more except for softskin which is good but not better than 1200 DMG to all on top of that aether talent taunt is much better than a measly 10% defence maybe u forgot him but whti heard best tank in the game he's definitely not glow is imo thoughts?
Alfie is terrible. Pretty decent is definitely not s