This square is super nice! I would suggest purchasing without the bench dogs. Mine have such a large tolerance that the square moves when using. Wasn’t expecting that at all from a Woodpecker product but I had other longer bench dogs with a tighter tolerance that worked perfect.
@@BuckRogers2491 Sorry, what language are you writing in? I seemed to have read the word "sale", and, since we're talking about Woodpeckers, I can only conclude that must be a typo.
I bought one just days before this video was released. I’m going to use it to make a narrow stock tenoning jig for the Festool Domino. I saw a video online recently . . .
Why not just use the 1812 square for alignment and the WP (or similar) clamping squares for assembly? Although reasonably priced (by Woodpecker standards) this seems like a solution in search of a problem. What am I missing?
This MFT square has a taller shoulder/is thicker so there's more to register against. It also uses the dog hole to square the track if you want to change the orientation relative to the table... for example, if you want to use the 55" track lengthwise. The 1812 square can't do that.
I'm a fan of Woodpeckers. This thing wasted almost a whole day of a cabinet build. I couldn't get it to make any of my 4 MFT's square bases on the dog holes. Had to recut dozens of panels. I got the giant 1812 square and boom, I can get it square. This triangle is nice for having something a right angle, not so much the mft squaring in my experience.
Do any other MFT accessories require perfect 96mm hole spacing? It seems like all MFT workholding is either hole-based or extrusion-based, and the relationship between two holes never matters (besides clamp reach). I repurposed an old table with MFT holes (no aluminum extrusions) for surface clamping, and laid out a 4" grid with a straight edge. 1/32" off is 99% accuracy. I just couldn't find any reason it had to be perfectly centered hole-to-hole. Would love to understand a use case for it.
Part of it is that 'perfect' spacing equates to 'perfect' and 'perfectly consistent' alignment using the holes as precision reference locations. If you elect to use dogs to place in holes to establish exact orientations of one or more work pieces on the top, then it is very useful to have precise or 'perfectly' spaced holes in a square grid. This utility is increased if this grid can also be aligned 'perfectly' with the track for the tracksaw as illustrated in this video. Obviously there are other ways to accomplish the same alignment using the dogs directly and without the square--provided you can count on the holes being 'perfectly spaced'. Note that its not critical that their pattern is perfectly aligned with the edges of the MFT top board (though they likely are) or with the aluminum frame of the MFT table. This can be accounted for using the adjustments shown in this video. But if you just have DIY holes accurate to the nearest 1/32nd of an inch, then your results may vary. Especially if the holes are drilled using a method where each new hole is drilled in relation to the prior hole. In this case, you set yourself up for accumulating error that could get large over a distance as the small error from one hole to the next accumulates systematically. You will see lots of old comments about the supposed dangers of relying on the MFT table top holes as precision locators, but these are largely incorrect. The holes are made by Festool with CNC precision, so yeah, their spacing is 'perfectly consistent.' So as long as you actively establish (or verify) alignment of anything else to that CNC hole pattern, you are good to go using the holes as precision alignment points relative to each other or relative to the mounted MFT accessories..
@@steveh8724 Thanks, that makes sense. Perfectly aligned dogs would definitely help enforcing a true 90deg corner for frame assemblies where "close enough" holes would just be headaches. I'd fully trust the CNC-made tops are indexable, or products like this couldn't exist. I just thought it was weird that there aren't more accessories that index via two holes at once (excluding the jigs for cutting further indexed holes).
My problem was out of 4 MFT tables, at least one of the dogs was "wiggly" on each mft top. Not a lot, only the slightest bit, but enough to cause me misery. I switched to the Festool recommended method, which takes longer than this, but works.
@@everettnetzband Take a look at UJK Parf Dogs at TSO. They expand to lock into and center on the holes and are a necessity in mine and many others opinion that use MFT tops to insure accurate alignment of the dogs. All the Best, Chuck
I haven't even used my mft3 for this purpose because of having to set it up.. watching the tutorials was painful ..Im not even sure I have all of the parts anymore anyway🤷♂️
I love the MFT square from Woodpecker it makes it so easy to set my MFT and get square cuts every time!😊
This square is super nice! I would suggest purchasing without the bench dogs.
Mine have such a large tolerance that the square moves when using. Wasn’t expecting that at all from a Woodpecker product but I had other longer bench dogs with a tighter tolerance that worked perfect.
Probably one of the most affordable Woodpeckers’ tools and multifunctional.
I might just spring on this 😊
I've had mine for a couple of years. Beats even the way more expensive squares they make for setting up the MFT table.
Wait for a sale if you don't need it right away.
@@BuckRogers2491 Sorry, what language are you writing in? I seemed to have read the word "sale", and, since we're talking about Woodpeckers, I can only conclude that must be a typo.
@@aldenpines that have sale items all the time
@@aldenpines Yeah, I use the term loosely. By "sale", I mean like $10 off. Tiny discount?
I bought one just days before this video was released. I’m going to use it to make a narrow stock tenoning jig for the Festool Domino.
I saw a video online recently . . .
You said you were gonna show how to check if the factory stops weren’t perfectly set I thought? Did I miss that part?
The wholes in my MFT table did line up to the way they showed in the video. Did I miss something here?
Why not just use the 1812 square for alignment and the WP (or similar) clamping squares for assembly? Although reasonably priced (by Woodpecker standards) this seems like a solution in search of a problem. What am I missing?
If you don't have the 1812 Square, and setting up the MFT is your primary mission, it is a less expensive option.
fanboi cred.
This MFT square has a taller shoulder/is thicker so there's more to register against. It also uses the dog hole to square the track if you want to change the orientation relative to the table... for example, if you want to use the 55" track lengthwise. The 1812 square can't do that.
Been looking for this for months, can't find it anywhere. Guess you don't sell anything in Canada...
I'm a fan of Woodpeckers.
This thing wasted almost a whole day of a cabinet build. I couldn't get it to make any of my 4 MFT's square bases on the dog holes. Had to recut dozens of panels.
I got the giant 1812 square and boom, I can get it square.
This triangle is nice for having something a right angle, not so much the mft squaring in my experience.
good job
Do any other MFT accessories require perfect 96mm hole spacing? It seems like all MFT workholding is either hole-based or extrusion-based, and the relationship between two holes never matters (besides clamp reach). I repurposed an old table with MFT holes (no aluminum extrusions) for surface clamping, and laid out a 4" grid with a straight edge. 1/32" off is 99% accuracy. I just couldn't find any reason it had to be perfectly centered hole-to-hole. Would love to understand a use case for it.
Part of it is that 'perfect' spacing equates to 'perfect' and 'perfectly consistent' alignment using the holes as precision reference locations. If you elect to use dogs to place in holes to establish exact orientations of one or more work pieces on the top, then it is very useful to have precise or 'perfectly' spaced holes in a square grid. This utility is increased if this grid can also be aligned 'perfectly' with the track for the tracksaw as illustrated in this video. Obviously there are other ways to accomplish the same alignment using the dogs directly and without the square--provided you can count on the holes being 'perfectly spaced'. Note that its not critical that their pattern is perfectly aligned with the edges of the MFT top board (though they likely are) or with the aluminum frame of the MFT table. This can be accounted for using the adjustments shown in this video.
But if you just have DIY holes accurate to the nearest 1/32nd of an inch, then your results may vary. Especially if the holes are drilled using a method where each new hole is drilled in relation to the prior hole. In this case, you set yourself up for accumulating error that could get large over a distance as the small error from one hole to the next accumulates systematically.
You will see lots of old comments about the supposed dangers of relying on the MFT table top holes as precision locators, but these are largely incorrect. The holes are made by Festool with CNC precision, so yeah, their spacing is 'perfectly consistent.' So as long as you actively establish (or verify) alignment of anything else to that CNC hole pattern, you are good to go using the holes as precision alignment points relative to each other or relative to the mounted MFT accessories..
@@steveh8724 Thanks, that makes sense. Perfectly aligned dogs would definitely help enforcing a true 90deg corner for frame assemblies where "close enough" holes would just be headaches. I'd fully trust the CNC-made tops are indexable, or products like this couldn't exist. I just thought it was weird that there aren't more accessories that index via two holes at once (excluding the jigs for cutting further indexed holes).
My problem was out of 4 MFT tables, at least one of the dogs was "wiggly" on each mft top. Not a lot, only the slightest bit, but enough to cause me misery.
I switched to the Festool recommended method, which takes longer than this, but works.
@@everettnetzband Take a look at UJK Parf Dogs at TSO. They expand to lock into and center on the holes and are a necessity in mine and many others opinion that use MFT tops to insure accurate alignment of the dogs.
All the Best, Chuck
I haven't even used my mft3 for this purpose because of having to set it up.. watching the tutorials was painful ..Im not even sure I have all of the parts anymore anyway🤷♂️
Actually not a FULL 3/4 inch thick - slightly less than 3/4 inch. Just saying . . . somewhere between 0.730" and 0.740"
If I was Festool I’d be so embarrassed of an 800 dollar table that swings back and fourth if you sneeze at it. Shame. Very un German of them.