They're not similar at all! At least Megatron just wanted what was best for Cybertron. At least he was a good person at heart, least astray by his own rage and hate. Sentinal didn't care for Cybertron, only power, and has no redeeming qualities.
@@cathleenmoyle1476 I see where you're coming from, but who's to say Sentinel wasn't just like megatron once? Decepticon Leader Megatron usually becomes a lot like this version of sentinel, after all. The film does make comparisons between D and Sentinel, with both executing a helpless foe and stealing their cog, D and Sentinel both furious about the slow way "leaders" are handling the quintesson war, and both leading ultrafascist factions based around a "truth" that they have fashioned. And in the end, Megatron takes offense that the Matrix of Leadership- "all the power in cybertron"- was given to Orion, with the subtext of the line "Primus gave YOU the matrix" being that Megatron desired it himself (as he usually does). Long story short, you're completely right but the film does draw comparisons between the two. True villains are not created, they're exposed, and even if D was a "reasonable bot forced to do unreasonable things", D and Orion faced many of their trials together. Even before his torture by Sentinel, D was slipping away, while Orion was becoming a better bot at the same time.
@coulsonintahiti I'm sorry but... those comparisons are a stretch. He did kill him when he was defenseless, but the cog he took was stolen and was takingawaywhat was wrongfully Sentinal's. D was never furious with how the "leaders" were handling the Quintesson war. Regarding the Primes, he had faith in them, especially Megatronus. And he was rightfully furious at Sentinal for murdering the Primes, being the reason why the matrix of leadership vanished, taking his own cog and several others' cogs so they were forced to mine, inventing classism and racism, and giving all their energon away to the enemy. D didn't lead an ultrafacist faction based around a truth he fashioned. We don't even know how he will lead the decepticons in the sequel. He led a faction of those who also were betrayed by Sentinal. Overall, Megatron really did think he was doing what was best for Cybertron by killing Sentinal, but he was not only blinded by rage, he had gained trust issues. And when he accidentally shot Orion, he thought Orion betrayed Cybertron, it's citizens, and him by trying to save that monster Sentinal, not realizing he was really trying to save D from himself. And so he... dropped him. Even so, his hand just dangles there for a bit, as if he's thinking "what have I done" and "I did what I had to do". That's why he's hurt when he sees Optimus gets to have the Matrix. He thinks Orion, and even Primus himself betrayed him. That's why he calls himself and the high guard decepticons: they think Optimus was the traitor. There whole becoming enemies happened to do not just Megatron's blind rage, but his inability to explain that rage and Optimus' lack of understanding that rage. He's not like Sentinal at all. At least... not yet.
I just wanna see the reactions of parents who took their kids to see this movie assuming it was some family movie, only to see D16 go on a speech about killing sentinel and then ripping him in half on stage.
"Hey, this movie has been pretty fun hasn't it kids? Wait, what's this vision the old dude is showing?" *Sees Megatronus get restrained and fucking decapitated before Sentinel rips another primes chest open
Reminds of the Wild Robot, supposedly aimed at kids and families, but I heard some toddlers cry during the movie even if it's not as violent as TF One But, since Transformers are originally toys for kids ... And what about those parents who took their kids to see Princess Mononoke, thinking that it's a Studio Ghibli movie, so it's for kids ?
@therealloomar what do u think optimus is doing...being a leader in anything ends up beingna ruler who lays down some sort of rules people follow. That happens irl now. The funny thing is most peple would actually act like Megatron than Optimus if giving the same circumstances
One thing I like to point out is that d16 was deep down always a villain in that he only ever cared about himself. Orion was always concerned about helping the people while d16 only cared about how HE was affected. Whenever someone did something he wasn’t in agreement with he dismissed them or wanted to kill them. The only reason why he went along with Orions schemes was because he was forced to. Sure Orion wasn’t perfect but d16 tried to be and that was his flaw. The truth only revealed his true nature, sprinkle in massive betrayal and the strip him of his life purpose and what’s left is selfish anger. He was always megatron.
That's not true at all. He was always a good person who cared about others. He didn't care about how HE was affected, but about how Orion was affected, and affecting others. He tried his best to keep the peace and follow the rules, working his butt off, and having complete trust in the abusive system as a way of coping. Orion, while his heart is in the right place and is inspiring to others, was a chaotic dumbass who constantly left messes for D to clean up after, and got himself and even other innocent people into trouble. He's not selfish, he's just more realistic, the voice of reason. The truth didn't reveal his true nature, or his true nature wasn't selfish anger. When he found out all of his life was a lie... he reached his breaking point. He wanted justice too, to right the wrongs Sentinal had committed, only his idea was far different from what Orion wanted in terms of justice, and D was growing more and more blinded by his rage and hate. The torture scene between him and Sentinal only pushed him further to his breaking point. And also remember when he's about to shoot Sentinal, he tells Orion, "He took everything from us, I have to do this!" And when he acidentally shot Orion... he thought Orion let himself get shot because he was betraying Cybertron, it's citizens, and D, because he was trying to save the monster Sentinal's life, when he was really trying to save D from himself. But it sadly didn't work. Even as he let Orion go, his hand dangles there, as if he's thinking "What have I done" to "I did what I had to do".
@@cathleenmoyle1476 D-16 was a flawed being just as Orion was but the difference between him and Orion was clear in how he handled trauma and how he tried to cope with the unfortunate circumstances he was dealt with. Notice how he only ever seemed to join in on Orion's shenanigans when he knew he could gain something out of it? No amount of defending will ever change the fact that D-16 has and always been Megatron right from the start and just shows the point of the video. Conflict and trauma can happen to anyone, how *you* deal with it DEFINES who YOU are.
@@EALS-pb5rs you can always tell who someone really is when they are faced with hardships and crisis. Megatron was always there because everytime d16 faced a problem he would crash out and show megatron. Orion every time he faced a set back he was optimistic and stood up for others. Both of their natures were shown and both made choices to give into them.
WB: We need to make Minecraft uninspired and just a generic Jumanji rip off. Kids don’t need intellectual crap. Paramount: We’re gonna give Transformers a serious story about how 2 friends became enemies and we’re not gonna pull any punches. Kids deserve good storytelling and not the bare minimum.
Ultimately D-16 became the villain because he only viewed how Sentinel's false society wronged him and that Orion was wronging him because of his twisted worldview, how he was affected by it. Ultimately, he was *exactly* Like Sentinel, choosing to tear down his rule just how Sentinel murdered the Primes to become the ruler, never once caring about the safety of anybody.
@lilacocto9103 They're not similar at all! At least Megatron just wanted what was best for Cybertron. At least he was a good person at heart, led astray by his own rage and hate. And to be fair, he had a very good reason to kill Sentinal and was tearing down his rule to rebuild it from the ground up. And he did think Orion was betraying him by letting himself get shot in order to save Sentinal's life (when he was really trying to save D from himself). He considered their freedom, but he didn't consider anyone's safety because he was not thinking clearly, in a berserk rage. Sentinal didn't care for Cybertron, only power, and has no redeeming qualities.
@@cathleenmoyle1476I see your point,but yeah even if D-16 wasn't initially like Sentinel at all and had his own reasons for turning out that way,ultimately does it even matter? It's not necessarily about who you used to be it's who you turned into, Megatron's anger is justified not his actions. Decepticon leader Megatron is a tyrant the only difference is he doesn't lie about being one like Sentinel did to gain others approval and praise,but he is still a tyrant nonetheless you can either agree with his twisted worldview or your his enemy,he enforces a system where only the strong deserve to live and get his praise,which fair initially came from starscream and the high guard but he still chose to upkeep it,he kills anyone who gets in his way dictating who has a right to live or die to his troops,he has an understandable backstory but the end result is still a tyrant,if a good person goes through horrible things and becomes a bad person who does horrible things is that an excuse? parallels don't necessarily mean they have to exactly alike, Megatron did end up making a lot of similar decisions to Sentinel even if it's not identical. Not to mention a part of his initial anger was because of the unjust fate of the miners Sentinel used as pawns to repay his selfish debt,yet he is quick to dismiss them the moment he comes to power what exactly was his endgame had Orion not received the matrix?just force miners to toil again to seek energon?not to mention the fact more than 90% of the decepticons are the high guard,a military faction of privileged bots,and the civilians ended up becoming autobots,so at the end most of the people who followed him were those who shared his way of thinking revenge = destruction of everything that represents it plus strength of one bot over the other essentially tyranny,the high guard may have legitimate reasons for believing in that because of being betrayed seeing Sentinel kill their prime's without being able to do anything and banished alone causing them to hold this mindset. I'm not claiming Megatron didn't care at all just that he got disillusioned.
@ishashifar It does matter. Because unlike Sentinal who didn't do it out of the want to better Cybertron, this version of Megatron is doing it out of a want to better Cybertron, and he does what he does not out of growing hunger for power... but the scars of the abuse he faced. This Megatron isn't a tyrant really, he needs psychiatric help.
@@cathleenmoyle1476This Megatron needs psychiatric help like most of dictators, when you think about how Paranoid and delusions they are About his vision of a better Cybertron, it's a Cybertron with only strong people, according to his criteria. What about the others ?
I find it rather peculiar how I relate to both D-16 and Orion. Moreso to D, but with the exception that I still do believe in good leaders, it's just that they are extremely rare.
Both of them had good points, and could argue that both of them were equally right up until the end when D refuses to help with the plan and only wants to fight sentinel. After that point D's intentions are purely selfish and I was on Orion's side
@therealloomar after they crash the train into the tower? I guess I would be too. But it's also worth keeping in mind that Sentinel was torturing D minutes ago, not even to get information, but for expressing defiance, and was just about to shoot him afterwards. So I'd say D was not even thinking clearly at that time, driven only by rage and pain.
@@therealloomar plus, both of their rebirths involved an object that belonged to a Prime. Megatronus's T Cog for D and the Matrix of Leadership that belonged to Zeta Prime for Orion.
@therealloomar Not purely selfish, no. Because at the point where Orion tries to keep D from shooting Sentinal, D "He took everything from us! I have to do this".
Transformers One was amazing it’s actually a tragedy that it’s trailer misrepresented it so badly because if it had a better trailer it could have put the 2007 movie’s box office to shame.
I just realized how picky we are. This movie has amazing animations and good voice actors. Yet barely anyone gave it chance based on the trailer. We are acting like we can make better movies, when we cant
It is true. It's when he can take that criticism and transform to improve. Because he fears power as to worship it. He wants to do right by others but knows he isn't enough. And makes sure to make things HARDER for him not better, easier, and pleasing
I think he said selfish for lack of a better word: Orion cares deeply for others, but he starts out reckless and not understanding the consequences of his actions. The potential for good was already there, it just needed refinement.
He describes him as selfish until he becomes more selfless once the movie goes on. If you watched that video, it explains why he called him that, and it was because of how reckless and closed from reality Orion was before learning his flaws.
Also probably worth to mention the flaws within Primes noble cause the movie highlighted several times but didn't elaborate enough. Sentinel didn't betray his masters out of nowhere, he did that out of believe he could manage the war against Quintessons better and end the conflict. The goal that he does actually achieve! Yes by ultimately making Iacon City a puppet state and being forced to send annual contributions to invaders but at least Cybertronians stop dying in a long senseless war where Primes were on a losing side with no hope of turning the tides without a mircale. In a sense he saved his people from total obliteration by making tough choice, something that no Prime with their "uncoruptable morals" would ever even think of. It doesn't excuse the crimes of Sentinel nor the fact he did all that out of selfish reasons. But put into perspective that Primes with their inflexible moral code isn't a much better alternative as they would prefer to send themselves and their followers to death rather than sacrifice what they believe in. And we know how it will end up for Cybertron in the end - by refusing to deal with Megatron and Decepticons when they were at his mercy, Optimus Prime decision to banish them lead to the civil war that eventually will destroy the planet. And after that conflict will not be stoped but moved to Earth, ultimately threatening to destroy our own planet
The problem with Sentinels plan is he had no problem with anyone else suffering as long as he believed he would be ok Say that the matrix didn't disappear, and that the energon kept flowing, what exactly would have stopped the Quintessons from just killing everyone and taking over Cybertron? Even with power sentinel wouldn't be able to stop them, and then they Quintessons would have unlimited power to take over the rest of the galaxy/universe While the Primes might have looked full of themselves and weren't winning the war, at least this way the Quintessons were in a war of attrition they would struggle to win and had their focus off of the rest of the universe Sentinel's plan was selfish and stupid, with Primus cutting off the energon being the only thing to stop the Quintessons just executing everyone as they needed labour to mine what little resources are left
@therealloomar to be frankly Primus magic force didn't quite help Cybertronians to win the war against Quintessons even when they had 13 Primes on their side. And the movie didn't elaborate much who Quintessons truly are and how quintessential the Cybertron was for them - maybe the planet was important resource extraction point or just another small colony from dozens they already control in the galaxy, those why they didn't bother to extract energon themselves and relayed on local proxy. It could have been awesome to explore "Quintessons vs Autobots" in the sequel though, the theme of what to do in the face of greater evil (sacrifice your own people for others you don't even know or put interests and survival of your group first) is pretty much relevant issue nowadays. Sadly looks like we wouldn't get that 😕 But I agree that Sentinel solution isn't permanent one, from what it looked in the movie all he did was just bought some time before the inevitable. Still can't say Optimus Prime and upcoming Civil War against Megatron is much of a improvement for their situation
Happy Thanksgiving. Transformers One is amazing. The marketing for this movie was so bad. To think the same director of Toy Story 4 did this and what a banger. The character work for this movie was fantastic. I always tell this to writers( myself included as I’m writing a book) if we break story down into its three essential components: Plot( what the story is about) Setting( Where it takes place) Characters( Who is it about) character is the one thing every writer should focus on. Because you look at Optimus and Megatron’s relationship and it was so well fleshed out. It reminded me of a better Xavier and Magneto dynamic from first class. We know these two will fall out but the writers clearly redrafted this story to where every bit of dialogue, choice showed us why and how Optimus and Megatron turned out the way they did. Elevating the amazing fall sequence( some of Brian Tyler’s best work). All in all, I wasn’t expecting much from this movie and boy was I proven wrong.
Trailers they either A) show too much and spoil the entire plot and "secrets" Or B) Don't do it justice. Show it in a different light than what it was.
This movie is incredible! It was my most anticipated film of the year and I’m glad that it lived up to my expectations! I know that the film underperformed at the box office and it’s a shame that Paramount shot themselves in the foot when marketing it and it resulted in Hasbro no longer co-financing films, but I’m hoping that a sequel comes out in the future.
To be honest I wasn't that eager for him either, but I'm glad that during the more serious moments (Alpha Trion revealing sentinel's betrayal, trying to stop Megatron's rampage) he doesn't joke on, and during the more serious second half I didn't mind him as much as he helped break up the tension But yeah he could've been dialled down a bit
D was about to say that the only bot he trusts is Orion but is stunned before he could finish. I feel like that contributed to his abandonment of Orion as him looking at Orion made him lose focus long enough to be captured. D's hate for me is understandable because he was the biggest advocate for the system in the group until he saw it for the lie it was. His brief hate for Prime as the video said came from the fact that his friend was always right and without him he'd remain a slave. He realised he needed Orion's rejection of authority to transcend his previous worldview, which he adopts quickly, not just because he was distraught at the truth but because he wanted nothing more than to be free, something greater than he was. And what is greater than being the next Megatronus? He wanted to fight immediately because he wanted thats what Megatronus would have done in his eyes. He got his first kill and felt a rush of glee because he was taking his first steps as a warrior. Looking at Starscream leading the High Guard, he saw him as unworthy and did what his idol would have done. Everything he did till he dropped Optimus was fueled by his own what would Megatronus do? He dropped Optimus because he couldnt carry him any longer and embrace his new identity which makes it fitting that he becomes Megatron after he finally killed off the remains of the miner, D16. Im not sayings all of this is what happened but its how I digested the movie in the first watch.
I don't like the idea that Megatron was always what D-16 was. My interpretation was of a hardworking law-abiding citizen who believes that the people and systems are meant to protect him and know what's best for him. And him finding out that it was based on lie after lie was the reason for what he saw, pushed him to change into this new persona. Essentially, saying that even the most devoted into the system can become so disillusioned by it that they can become what Megatron is.
Unlike Anakin Skywalker at least he was brainwash by Palatine for ruined his life. And after for 15 Years, he finally knows what is he doing and help his son from Palatine. D however, did not. Bescause he wants to rule the world and he always care about world domination. He killed Sentinal for the betrayed, he betrayed to Orion, and let him go before he come back, and of course he want to all the power. But deep down he always still care for Orion and help the best to could. But now he Megatron, D is now Optimus greatest foe.
Orion : "Starting a new society with execution is bad " Also Orion " haha Bee you ve got cool knife hands , show em what you ve got " Bee runs like psycho to soldiers
I mean, Orion tells B not to chase after them and to focus on the mission B also seems to calm down once Sentinel's lies are revealed, while D continues to try and kill even after sentinel is publicly begging to stop fighting
Hasbro announced they won't be partnering with other production companies (Paramount) to make their movies They will still make them, just less often and they will have to put more consideration into which scripts get produced
Have you any chance seen the latest nerdstalgic video? Because his all completely nonesensical claim that"bayformers"ravaged franchise credit? Ironic once you check exactly who was producer!
Megatron only saw a PRIME, the embodiment of a system that Sentinel established and now he sees Optimus Prime as someone who embodies the very system he set out to tear down for its betrayal.
The thing about that is that Sentinel was a false Prime, one unworthy of the matrix and using a fake name for himself. It wasn't really a prime that ruined his life, it was a regular Cybertronian. He still adores Megatronus as well, as evident by taking his face as the decepticon symbol So it's funny that Optimus actually had the physical matrix of leadership. He's literally chosen by their god to have the matrix and become a prime. And Megatron sees an actual prime (not a fake one) and still chooses to fight Megatron's thought logic is very selfish and delusional, and it's obvious at the end he's just fighting because he's become as power driven as sentinel
"Story that hasn't been seen"? Actually not true, you just gotta know looks where. After all"Orion Pax"and"desixteen"major falling out been staple transformers lore since aligned continuity! Not?
I kind of meant it in the sense that we haven't really seen the initial start of the war in any theatrical media. Usually in films/TV shows/ games they're already in the middle of the war and the two leaders hate each other. It was nice to see a piece of visual media showing their friendship, their decline and the start of the war
@@therealloomar. There was Prime, the flagship aligned continuity project where this took root. And even backstories can get convolluted(cloud strife).
@erikbihari3625 I know, I like Transformers: Prime. However we never really got to see them be friends and see the war start. We only saw brief flashbacks that gave the basic details and that's it So it was nice to see a movie focusing on Cybertron before the war and seeing how everything falls apart
@therealloomar . Like mentioned before, too many details can hurt like the opposite. And when optimus reverted into orion after using the matrix for stopping unicron, seen just how passive the guy was, leaving room for speculation. Wich was there warrented Unlike other contemporary shows where obnoxious creators feed their cultists(gravity falls),people who went into theory crafting subculture mode(nuttier than squirrel pantries)and plug plot holes that never existed(bronies),and those that have many intricacies but can easily understood without research running counter intuitively what massages are there(secret ssturdays). Just shows people's obsession with minute detail and clarity turned media into blunt instruments.
I enjoyed the video but I disagree with the Megatron part. It's a perfect example of victim blaming and not understanding trauma. (No hate.) Sorry for grammar mistakes I'm dyslexic. :( BUT BEAR WITH ME PLEASE. I don't think Megatron's anger and need for revenge was selfish, in fact, it was a good thing. Sentinel not only slaughtered the primes who were Cybertrons protectors and idols, he lied to everyone, was stripping them of the thing they need to SURVIVE, was boosting the wealthy and making people slaves , made a deal with their oppressors to elevate his status and keep power, forced everyone else to suffer for his actions (Righteous or not), and wanted to use Megatron, Optimus after the Iacon 5000 to get miners to mine better because their oppressors were getting impatient, put Megatron and everyone else at risk of death or a hell of a lot of harm and was not opposed to torturing people FOR HIS EGO. I'm quite surprised you humanised Sentinel but not Megatron who was a victim? Megatron had every right to be angry he had every right to want to get back at Sentinel for the trauma he and his people have endured. "He lied to my face" Megatron idolised Sentinel and after witnessing that the prime had been lying to him and his people and giving away the energon they mined and put their lives at risk for. It will hurt. Megatron met Sentinel HIS IDOL and all Sentinel wanted was to use him and Optimus to parade around the other slaves, and inspire them to kill themselves faster for energon they'll never get a taste of aside rations. If your idol met you was super cool and was like "Yo bro, you're pretty neat. Hay! Go around a shelter of sad abused puppies and give them treats" and then murdered the puppies because he was allergic and getting rid of them helped them in some way despite it being cruel and unreasonable, would or would you not be upset?? There was no proof that Megatron's anger came from a place of selfishness to begin with "He lied to my face" isn't good enough proof Megatron ,as a trauma and mistreatment survivor thrust into a scary new world where everything he knew and thought of before was SHATTERED and a whole different life was selfishly stripped from the slaves, was reviewing memories to make sense of what the actual hell is going on everything I knew and loved before isn't true and my life is a lie. Sure there's no proof of that either but it makes more sense than the dude who looked out for his friends, supported a strange chattering bot from level 50 for no reason other than to keep him happy and took punches and risks multiple times to make sure Optimus would be okay to all of a sudden be "Selfish" and only work for his "own interest" and hate his friends. Megatron faced the people of his city, the slaves and the people who weren't subjected to being slaughtered in the thousands for Sentinel's rule but were manipulated and lied to. He wanted to free them to exact a new rule where people wouldn't use, abuse and lie to them. He faced them when he killed Sentinel he let them watch, to let them know it's over. Megatron's intentions were less selfish than Sentinel even if they were on the same path to being villains. So humanising Sentinel while putting Megatron down is weird to me! You see a villain, an oppressor, a slave owner, a murderer and you think "No the victim who's traumatized and rightfully angry is the bad guy because Optimus said so." What?? No hate fr but it doesn't add up chief Sentinel is no better than Megatron is. I do agree that Megatron went too far by shooting buildings and killing Optimus BUT Optimus put himself in the line of fire! That was HIS choice! And Megatron could see Optimus would keep making stupid, reckless decisions to get his own way and if that meant disrespecting, refusing to hear Megatron out, GETTING MEGATRON HURT and getting in Megatrons way that meant he was a liability to a world that couldn't handle any more right now. Megatron obviously regretted hurting Optimus but he was running off whatever Cybertronians had for adrenaline and the rush of finally feeling free and Optimus chose to put himself in Megatrons way to get his own way. Rebuilding on an execution might not be the greatest but after what Sentinel had done? It might've inspired people to work towards a future where someone like Sentinel doesn't get into power and it might've inspired them to stay strong because there are people willing to make the hard choices everyone else won't. I do agree that Megatron was too hard on Optimus during the roadtrip but he was working through a lifetime of trauma and abuse he's scared, he's angry, he's betrayed and Optimus keeps acting like everything is fine and nothing has changed and by directly disrespecting Megatron before the Iacon 5000 and tricking him into joining Optimus had shattered Megatron's reality so yeah he's gonna be a lil aggressive that's a real sign of trauma and fear, I would know! Optimus was hurting Megatron by being careless at the beginning of the movie. Breaking into the Archives where Megatron had to save his aft and taking a hit to the faceplate because Optimus wouldn't keep his mouth shut and those weren't the first time as said in the movie. So yeah... After everything that's happened Megatron isn't thinking right and he's got a rush he's gonna do stupid things and if Optimus just kept hurting him and disagreeing with him of course Megatron is gonna do something about it. Optimus made his choice, like he has thousands of times before, Sentinel made his choice, everyone else made their choice. It was time Megatron finally got to make his. I am so down to debate though! This movie was so good and talking about it and how other people view it is fun. Anyway that's my ted talk on why I love Megatron and how people are doing him dirty by acting like he's just a selfish villain and nothing more. Fun video btw.
First things first, because I've got no idea how you reached this conclusion - I never humanised sentinel. I pointed out that he was always power hungry and resentful of the primes,I didn't frame him a some unfortunate pawn who did what he thought was right. I merely pointed out that when faced with conflict he chose the easier solution for him to get what he wants, regardless of the fact it would destroy him in the long run. He was and always chooses to be a bullying coward I also pointed out that he shouldn't have been executed because he needed to face justice. Optimus wanted to form a newer, better society for Cybertron, a more civilised one, and every civilised society needs proper justice. If the people chose to have sentinel killed then he should be killed, but that would be the choice of the people, not just Megatron wanting revenge Everything that you described that happened to Megatron also happened to every other miner. The only person who we see choose to keep fighting a already won battle and execute a helpless defeated enemy was Megatron. And he justified it by saying that HE suffered, regardless of the fact that EVERy OTHER MINER also suffered and DIDN'T want sentinel executed Megatron wasn't necessarily selfish just because he wanted vengeance. He was selfish because he chose vengeance over the will and needs of literally everyone else in Iacon. You can't tell everyone you're fighting for their freedom and then start blowing up the city they're trapped in Megatron ultimately is a villain because he chooses himself over everyone else despite them being just a much victims as he is. Optimus is so devoted for a better Cybertron he gets in the way of a bullet aimed for a tyrant, and the only thing Megatron can think in that moment is how HE is betrayed. He never once stops to think of the reasons why his best friend might have done that I get why people are sympathetic to Megatron and his journey. But being sympathetic doesn't mean someone is right Glad you liked the video and I enjoyed hearing your side of things
@@therealloomar Uh, I wouldn't assume the other miners didn't want him dead. Beyond seeing how betrayed they felt over what he did, there wasn't much else. For all we know, a bunch of them were also calling for Sentinel's head as well
@@Furydragonstormer The other miners and the rest of Cybertronians are shocked and angry, and some of them want to punish Sentinel by death, but it's up to them to decide; not only D / Megatron, who claims he'll do the same thing to anyone who gets in his way, including those who think he goes too far, as Orion tried to tell him They were shocked and angry, yes, but none of them would like to live in terror Optimus would've made Sentinel executed if the people decided this way. Or banished from Iacon City, at the mercy of the Quintessons, who would do the dirty work
@thejester2751 You forgot D / Megatron's former mates, who also are victims like him. Especially B, who's seen Sentinel execute Alpha Trion and torture D. Strange that nobody notices him and his view
@@goldflo91 You're ignoring the context of my comment calling out loomer for assuming none of the miners wanted Sentinel dead. My comment had nothing to do with saying D/Megatron was okay doing it, I'm simply pointing out one shouldn't assume everyone in the background is going to take the good guy's side
I dunno. Because in Transformer Energon Megatron actually rebecame Good in that series.Also you ignore the Optimus Himself became Evil in Bayverse when he became Nemesis Prime.
@therealloomar That Megatron can still become a Good Guy Later on. Heck in the Animated Show there are Moments Megatron And Optimous actually Figt Together and also Megatron even Fight his Future Self Gravatron
I was rooting for Megatron and then they made him do random reasonless evil shit where he starts blowing up Iacon. This some bullshit why cant my beloved buckethead freedom fighter not be a evil bastard.
@@boxoid5230 Because Megatron is blinded by rage, after being blinded by his faith in the Primes and Sentinel; unlike Orion, who knew there was something wrong, and Elita and B, who suffered without any other option left
“I get to work for the government!” And “we will follow you!” Always makes me laugh. This movie truly is amazing
I love how similar Sentinel and D are in the end. It's basically a perfected version of X-Men First Class (not to say that film is flawed).
I love both films
They're not similar at all! At least Megatron just wanted what was best for Cybertron. At least he was a good person at heart, least astray by his own rage and hate. Sentinal didn't care for Cybertron, only power, and has no redeeming qualities.
@@cathleenmoyle1476 I see where you're coming from, but who's to say Sentinel wasn't just like megatron once? Decepticon Leader Megatron usually becomes a lot like this version of sentinel, after all.
The film does make comparisons between D and Sentinel, with both executing a helpless foe and stealing their cog, D and Sentinel both furious about the slow way "leaders" are handling the quintesson war, and both leading ultrafascist factions based around a "truth" that they have fashioned. And in the end, Megatron takes offense that the Matrix of Leadership- "all the power in cybertron"- was given to Orion, with the subtext of the line "Primus gave YOU the matrix" being that Megatron desired it himself (as he usually does).
Long story short, you're completely right but the film does draw comparisons between the two. True villains are not created, they're exposed, and even if D was a "reasonable bot forced to do unreasonable things", D and Orion faced many of their trials together. Even before his torture by Sentinel, D was slipping away, while Orion was becoming a better bot at the same time.
@coulsonintahiti I'm sorry but... those comparisons are a stretch. He did kill him when he was defenseless, but the cog he took was stolen and was takingawaywhat was wrongfully Sentinal's. D was never furious with how the "leaders" were handling the Quintesson war. Regarding the Primes, he had faith in them, especially Megatronus. And he was rightfully furious at Sentinal for murdering the Primes, being the reason why the matrix of leadership vanished, taking his own cog and several others' cogs so they were forced to mine, inventing classism and racism, and giving all their energon away to the enemy. D didn't lead an ultrafacist faction based around a truth he fashioned. We don't even know how he will lead the decepticons in the sequel. He led a faction of those who also were betrayed by Sentinal. Overall, Megatron really did think he was doing what was best for Cybertron by killing Sentinal, but he was not only blinded by rage, he had gained trust issues. And when he accidentally shot Orion, he thought Orion betrayed Cybertron, it's citizens, and him by trying to save that monster Sentinal, not realizing he was really trying to save D from himself. And so he... dropped him. Even so, his hand just dangles there for a bit, as if he's thinking "what have I done" and "I did what I had to do". That's why he's hurt when he sees Optimus gets to have the Matrix. He thinks Orion, and even Primus himself betrayed him. That's why he calls himself and the high guard decepticons: they think Optimus was the traitor. There whole becoming enemies happened to do not just Megatron's blind rage, but his inability to explain that rage and Optimus' lack of understanding that rage. He's not like Sentinal at all. At least... not yet.
@@cathleenmoyle1476 I think I get your argument. that honestly sounds accurate.
The marketing team didn't do T1 justice.
No, they didn't
nah fr, i legit thought it was one of those straight to streaming flicks
They REALLY didn’t, you gotta empathize how badly they fuck this up.
@@Son_D._Bearemphasize*
They all need to be *FIRED*
I just wanna see the reactions of parents who took their kids to see this movie assuming it was some family movie, only to see D16 go on a speech about killing sentinel and then ripping him in half on stage.
"Hey, this movie has been pretty fun hasn't it kids? Wait, what's this vision the old dude is showing?"
*Sees Megatronus get restrained and fucking decapitated before Sentinel rips another primes chest open
Reminds of the Wild Robot, supposedly aimed at kids and families, but I heard some toddlers cry during the movie even if it's not as violent as TF One
But, since Transformers are originally toys for kids ...
And what about those parents who took their kids to see Princess Mononoke, thinking that it's a Studio Ghibli movie, so it's for kids ?
Optimus Prime is reformator.
Megatron is revolutionary.
A revolution that goes from free Cybertron to trying to rule it
@therealloomar what do u think optimus is doing...being a leader in anything ends up beingna ruler who lays down some sort of rules people follow. That happens irl now. The funny thing is most peple would actually act like Megatron than Optimus if giving the same circumstances
@@One_Black_PantherThat's why it's easier to become like Megatron, and those who become like Optimus are a few special people
One thing I like to point out is that d16 was deep down always a villain in that he only ever cared about himself. Orion was always concerned about helping the people while d16 only cared about how HE was affected. Whenever someone did something he wasn’t in agreement with he dismissed them or wanted to kill them. The only reason why he went along with Orions schemes was because he was forced to. Sure Orion wasn’t perfect but d16 tried to be and that was his flaw. The truth only revealed his true nature, sprinkle in massive betrayal and the strip him of his life purpose and what’s left is selfish anger. He was always megatron.
That's not true at all. He was always a good person who cared about others. He didn't care about how HE was affected, but about how Orion was affected, and affecting others. He tried his best to keep the peace and follow the rules, working his butt off, and having complete trust in the abusive system as a way of coping. Orion, while his heart is in the right place and is inspiring to others, was a chaotic dumbass who constantly left messes for D to clean up after, and got himself and even other innocent people into trouble. He's not selfish, he's just more realistic, the voice of reason.
The truth didn't reveal his true nature, or his true nature wasn't selfish anger. When he found out all of his life was a lie... he reached his breaking point. He wanted justice too, to right the wrongs Sentinal had committed, only his idea was far different from what Orion wanted in terms of justice, and D was growing more and more blinded by his rage and hate. The torture scene between him and Sentinal only pushed him further to his breaking point. And also remember when he's about to shoot Sentinal, he tells Orion, "He took everything from us, I have to do this!"
And when he acidentally shot Orion... he thought Orion let himself get shot because he was betraying Cybertron, it's citizens, and D, because he was trying to save the monster Sentinal's life, when he was really trying to save D from himself. But it sadly didn't work. Even as he let Orion go, his hand dangles there, as if he's thinking "What have I done" to "I did what I had to do".
@@cathleenmoyle1476 D-16 was a flawed being just as Orion was but the difference between him and Orion was clear in how he handled trauma and how he tried to cope with the unfortunate circumstances he was dealt with. Notice how he only ever seemed to join in on Orion's shenanigans when he knew he could gain something out of it? No amount of defending will ever change the fact that D-16 has and always been Megatron right from the start and just shows the point of the video. Conflict and trauma can happen to anyone, how *you* deal with it DEFINES who YOU are.
@@gnw_AstAyou contradict yourself by saying he always was Megatron and our actions define us. That means no one starts being anything.
Chosing to become something like Megatron is much worse than just being it.
@@EALS-pb5rs you can always tell who someone really is when they are faced with hardships and crisis. Megatron was always there because everytime d16 faced a problem he would crash out and show megatron. Orion every time he faced a set back he was optimistic and stood up for others. Both of their natures were shown and both made choices to give into them.
WB: We need to make Minecraft uninspired and just a generic Jumanji rip off. Kids don’t need intellectual crap.
Paramount: We’re gonna give Transformers a serious story about how 2 friends became enemies and we’re not gonna pull any punches. Kids deserve good storytelling and not the bare minimum.
good storytelling for kids is great even more better then storytelling for adults.
Ultimately D-16 became the villain because he only viewed how Sentinel's false society wronged him and that Orion was wronging him because of his twisted worldview, how he was affected by it. Ultimately, he was *exactly* Like Sentinel, choosing to tear down his rule just how Sentinel murdered the Primes to become the ruler, never once caring about the safety of anybody.
@lilacocto9103 They're not similar at all! At least Megatron just wanted what was best for Cybertron. At least he was a good person at heart, led astray by his own rage and hate. And to be fair, he had a very good reason to kill Sentinal and was tearing down his rule to rebuild it from the ground up. And he did think Orion was betraying him by letting himself get shot in order to save Sentinal's life (when he was really trying to save D from himself). He considered their freedom, but he didn't consider anyone's safety because he was not thinking clearly, in a berserk rage. Sentinal didn't care for Cybertron, only power, and has no redeeming qualities.
@@cathleenmoyle1476I see your point,but yeah even if D-16 wasn't initially like Sentinel at all and had his own reasons for turning out that way,ultimately does it even matter? It's not necessarily about who you used to be it's who you turned into, Megatron's anger is justified not his actions.
Decepticon leader Megatron is a tyrant the only difference is he doesn't lie about being one like Sentinel did to gain others approval and praise,but he is still a tyrant nonetheless you can either agree with his twisted worldview or your his enemy,he enforces a system where only the strong deserve to live and get his praise,which fair initially came from starscream and the high guard but he still chose to upkeep it,he kills anyone who gets in his way dictating who has a right to live or die to his troops,he has an understandable backstory but the end result is still a tyrant,if a good person goes through horrible things and becomes a bad person who does horrible things is that an excuse? parallels don't necessarily mean they have to exactly alike, Megatron did end up making a lot of similar decisions to Sentinel even if it's not identical.
Not to mention a part of his initial anger was because of the unjust fate of the miners Sentinel used as pawns to repay his selfish debt,yet he is quick to dismiss them the moment he comes to power what exactly was his endgame had Orion not received the matrix?just force miners to toil again to seek energon?not to mention the fact more than 90% of the decepticons are the high guard,a military faction of privileged bots,and the civilians ended up becoming autobots,so at the end most of the people who followed him were those who shared his way of thinking revenge = destruction of everything that represents it plus strength of one bot over the other essentially tyranny,the high guard may have legitimate reasons for believing in that because of being betrayed seeing Sentinel kill their prime's without being able to do anything and banished alone causing them to hold this mindset.
I'm not claiming Megatron didn't care at all just that he got disillusioned.
@ishashifar It does matter. Because unlike Sentinal who didn't do it out of the want to better Cybertron, this version of Megatron is doing it out of a want to better Cybertron, and he does what he does not out of growing hunger for power... but the scars of the abuse he faced. This Megatron isn't a tyrant really, he needs psychiatric help.
@@cathleenmoyle1476But Sentinel and Megatron are similar in their cruelty towards defenseless people, and the way they rule
@@cathleenmoyle1476This Megatron needs psychiatric help like most of dictators, when you think about how Paranoid and delusions they are
About his vision of a better Cybertron, it's a Cybertron with only strong people, according to his criteria. What about the others ?
I find it rather peculiar how I relate to both D-16 and Orion. Moreso to D, but with the exception that I still do believe in good leaders, it's just that they are extremely rare.
Both of them had good points, and could argue that both of them were equally right up until the end when D refuses to help with the plan and only wants to fight sentinel. After that point D's intentions are purely selfish and I was on Orion's side
@therealloomar after they crash the train into the tower? I guess I would be too. But it's also worth keeping in mind that Sentinel was torturing D minutes ago, not even to get information, but for expressing defiance, and was just about to shoot him afterwards. So I'd say D was not even thinking clearly at that time, driven only by rage and pain.
There's an old saying where I come from and it goes something like this:
*To test a man's character. Give him power.*
@@therealloomar plus, both of their rebirths involved an object that belonged to a Prime. Megatronus's T Cog for D and the Matrix of Leadership that belonged to Zeta Prime for Orion.
@therealloomar Not purely selfish, no. Because at the point where Orion tries to keep D from shooting Sentinal, D "He took everything from us! I have to do this".
Transformers One was amazing it’s actually a tragedy that it’s trailer misrepresented it so badly because if it had a better trailer it could have put the 2007 movie’s box office to shame.
Genuinely, I don't understand how they messed that first trailer up so bad
@ guess I’ll have to but the Blu Ray to make sure the film makes more money
I just realized how picky we are. This movie has amazing animations and good voice actors. Yet barely anyone gave it chance based on the trailer. We are acting like we can make better movies, when we cant
this isn't amazing animation nor voice acting
Who’s we
One guy called Orion selfish in a video essay. That was one of the biggest lies I have ever heard.
It is true. It's when he can take that criticism and transform to improve. Because he fears power as to worship it.
He wants to do right by others but knows he isn't enough. And makes sure to make things HARDER for him not better, easier, and pleasing
I think he said selfish for lack of a better word: Orion cares deeply for others, but he starts out reckless and not understanding the consequences of his actions. The potential for good was already there, it just needed refinement.
Not a lie, just a misrepresentation.
He describes him as selfish until he becomes more selfless once the movie goes on.
If you watched that video, it explains why he called him that, and it was because of how reckless and closed from reality Orion was before learning his flaws.
I would say he’s more careless, or perhaps lacking in perspective
Also probably worth to mention the flaws within Primes noble cause the movie highlighted several times but didn't elaborate enough. Sentinel didn't betray his masters out of nowhere, he did that out of believe he could manage the war against Quintessons better and end the conflict. The goal that he does actually achieve! Yes by ultimately making Iacon City a puppet state and being forced to send annual contributions to invaders but at least Cybertronians stop dying in a long senseless war where Primes were on a losing side with no hope of turning the tides without a mircale. In a sense he saved his people from total obliteration by making tough choice, something that no Prime with their "uncoruptable morals" would ever even think of.
It doesn't excuse the crimes of Sentinel nor the fact he did all that out of selfish reasons. But put into perspective that Primes with their inflexible moral code isn't a much better alternative as they would prefer to send themselves and their followers to death rather than sacrifice what they believe in. And we know how it will end up for Cybertron in the end - by refusing to deal with Megatron and Decepticons when they were at his mercy, Optimus Prime decision to banish them lead to the civil war that eventually will destroy the planet. And after that conflict will not be stoped but moved to Earth, ultimately threatening to destroy our own planet
The problem with Sentinels plan is he had no problem with anyone else suffering as long as he believed he would be ok
Say that the matrix didn't disappear, and that the energon kept flowing, what exactly would have stopped the Quintessons from just killing everyone and taking over Cybertron? Even with power sentinel wouldn't be able to stop them, and then they Quintessons would have unlimited power to take over the rest of the galaxy/universe
While the Primes might have looked full of themselves and weren't winning the war, at least this way the Quintessons were in a war of attrition they would struggle to win and had their focus off of the rest of the universe
Sentinel's plan was selfish and stupid, with Primus cutting off the energon being the only thing to stop the Quintessons just executing everyone as they needed labour to mine what little resources are left
@therealloomar to be frankly Primus magic force didn't quite help Cybertronians to win the war against Quintessons even when they had 13 Primes on their side. And the movie didn't elaborate much who Quintessons truly are and how quintessential the Cybertron was for them - maybe the planet was important resource extraction point or just another small colony from dozens they already control in the galaxy, those why they didn't bother to extract energon themselves and relayed on local proxy. It could have been awesome to explore "Quintessons vs Autobots" in the sequel though, the theme of what to do in the face of greater evil (sacrifice your own people for others you don't even know or put interests and survival of your group first) is pretty much relevant issue nowadays. Sadly looks like we wouldn't get that 😕
But I agree that Sentinel solution isn't permanent one, from what it looked in the movie all he did was just bought some time before the inevitable. Still can't say Optimus Prime and upcoming Civil War against Megatron is much of a improvement for their situation
D-16 really stole the show out of all the characters his character got the best backstory
Happy Thanksgiving. Transformers One is amazing. The marketing for this movie was so bad. To think the same director of Toy Story 4 did this and what a banger. The character work for this movie was fantastic. I always tell this to writers( myself included as I’m writing a book) if we break story down into its three essential components: Plot( what the story is about) Setting( Where it takes place) Characters( Who is it about) character is the one thing every writer should focus on. Because you look at Optimus and Megatron’s relationship and it was so well fleshed out. It reminded me of a better Xavier and Magneto dynamic from first class. We know these two will fall out but the writers clearly redrafted this story to where every bit of dialogue, choice showed us why and how Optimus and Megatron turned out the way they did. Elevating the amazing fall sequence( some of Brian Tyler’s best work). All in all, I wasn’t expecting much from this movie and boy was I proven wrong.
The marketing for this movie is shameful. I really hope it gets a sequel
Trailers they either
A) show too much and spoil the entire plot and "secrets"
Or
B) Don't do it justice. Show it in a different light than what it was.
This movie is incredible! It was my most anticipated film of the year and I’m glad that it lived up to my expectations!
I know that the film underperformed at the box office and it’s a shame that Paramount shot themselves in the foot when marketing it and it resulted in Hasbro no longer co-financing films, but I’m hoping that a sequel comes out in the future.
The marketing team didn’t do this movie justice sadly
great analysis, especially on d-16/megatron!!
We Finally Got The Best Transformers Movie Of The Year.
happy to see someone talking about this movie, i was very pleasently surprised when i saw it, just wish bumblebee wasnt... in the movie quite frankly
To be honest I wasn't that eager for him either, but I'm glad that during the more serious moments (Alpha Trion revealing sentinel's betrayal, trying to stop Megatron's rampage) he doesn't joke on, and during the more serious second half I didn't mind him as much as he helped break up the tension
But yeah he could've been dialled down a bit
@@therealloomar oh for sure, i like literally everything after they find out sentials lie, but man, on a rewatch, bumblebee is *hard* to get through
@@Mattimation01 I miss mute
Don't you mean.....*ahem*
BADASSATRON?
@@Skritz-mt9zb”i’m gonna need you to shut up”
Funny how TF One did better villain origin story than entire Star War prequel trilogy.
The prequel trilogy sure is something I'll give you that
Not only a better origin story, but also an actual brotherhood between Optimus and Megatron.
You're old ASF if you're still hating on the prequels when there's the sequel trilogy
D was about to say that the only bot he trusts is Orion but is stunned before he could finish.
I feel like that contributed to his abandonment of Orion as him looking at Orion made him lose focus long enough to be captured.
D's hate for me is understandable because he was the biggest advocate for the system in the group until he saw it for the lie it was. His brief hate for Prime as the video said came from the fact that his friend was always right and without him he'd remain a slave. He realised he needed Orion's rejection of authority to transcend his previous worldview, which he adopts quickly, not just because he was distraught at the truth but because he wanted nothing more than to be free, something greater than he was. And what is greater than being the next Megatronus? He wanted to fight immediately because he wanted thats what Megatronus would have done in his eyes. He got his first kill and felt a rush of glee because he was taking his first steps as a warrior. Looking at Starscream leading the High Guard, he saw him as unworthy and did what his idol would have done. Everything he did till he dropped Optimus was fueled by his own what would Megatronus do? He dropped Optimus because he couldnt carry him any longer and embrace his new identity which makes it fitting that he becomes Megatron after he finally killed off the remains of the miner, D16.
Im not sayings all of this is what happened but its how I digested the movie in the first watch.
Great in depth Transformers one video
I find it funny that Orion had the same past that D and followed a different path
It was good... How hard is that nowadays.
Very hard apparently, despite the millions that get invested into modern blockbusters
Inspired Of The Greatest Marvel Movie, X-Men First Class.
I don't like the idea that Megatron was always what D-16 was. My interpretation was of a hardworking law-abiding citizen who believes that the people and systems are meant to protect him and know what's best for him. And him finding out that it was based on lie after lie was the reason for what he saw, pushed him to change into this new persona. Essentially, saying that even the most devoted into the system can become so disillusioned by it that they can become what Megatron is.
Unlike Anakin Skywalker at least he was brainwash by Palatine for ruined his life. And after for 15 Years, he finally knows what is he doing and help his son from Palatine. D however, did not. Bescause he wants to rule the world and he always care about world domination. He killed Sentinal for the betrayed, he betrayed to Orion, and let him go before he come back, and of course he want to all the power. But deep down he always still care for Orion and help the best to could. But now he Megatron, D is now Optimus greatest foe.
Orion : "Starting a new society with execution is bad "
Also Orion " haha Bee you ve got cool knife hands , show em what you ve got "
Bee runs like psycho to soldiers
I mean, Orion tells B not to chase after them and to focus on the mission
B also seems to calm down once Sentinel's lies are revealed, while D continues to try and kill even after sentinel is publicly begging to stop fighting
Megatron became something worse than Sentinel Prime he’s almost akin to Unicron.
Megatron is an Angel comparison to Unicron
@ but he became self serving and murderous just like Unicron is.
I know understand that Megatron did nothing wrong.
Transformers one won’t get a sequel Hasbro just announced that they won’t be funding movies anymore and instead just making toys
Hasbro announced they won't be partnering with other production companies (Paramount) to make their movies
They will still make them, just less often and they will have to put more consideration into which scripts get produced
Lowkey the world needs a Megatron rn
Have you any chance seen the latest nerdstalgic video? Because his all completely nonesensical claim that"bayformers"ravaged franchise credit? Ironic once you check exactly who was producer!
Megatron only saw a PRIME, the embodiment of a system that Sentinel established and now he sees Optimus Prime as someone who embodies the very system he set out to tear down for its betrayal.
The thing about that is that Sentinel was a false Prime, one unworthy of the matrix and using a fake name for himself. It wasn't really a prime that ruined his life, it was a regular Cybertronian. He still adores Megatronus as well, as evident by taking his face as the decepticon symbol
So it's funny that Optimus actually had the physical matrix of leadership. He's literally chosen by their god to have the matrix and become a prime. And Megatron sees an actual prime (not a fake one) and still chooses to fight
Megatron's thought logic is very selfish and delusional, and it's obvious at the end he's just fighting because he's become as power driven as sentinel
@@therealloomar wala ko nangutana nimo
"Story that hasn't been seen"? Actually not true, you just gotta know looks where. After all"Orion Pax"and"desixteen"major falling out been staple transformers lore since aligned continuity! Not?
I kind of meant it in the sense that we haven't really seen the initial start of the war in any theatrical media. Usually in films/TV shows/ games they're already in the middle of the war and the two leaders hate each other. It was nice to see a piece of visual media showing their friendship, their decline and the start of the war
@@therealloomar. There was Prime, the flagship aligned continuity project where this took root. And even backstories can get convolluted(cloud strife).
@erikbihari3625 I know, I like Transformers: Prime. However we never really got to see them be friends and see the war start. We only saw brief flashbacks that gave the basic details and that's it
So it was nice to see a movie focusing on Cybertron before the war and seeing how everything falls apart
@therealloomar . Like mentioned before, too many details can hurt like the opposite. And when optimus reverted into orion after using the matrix for stopping unicron, seen just how passive the guy was, leaving room for speculation. Wich was there warrented Unlike other contemporary shows where obnoxious creators feed their cultists(gravity falls),people who went into theory crafting subculture mode(nuttier than squirrel pantries)and plug plot holes that never existed(bronies),and those that have many intricacies but can easily understood without research running counter intuitively what massages are there(secret ssturdays). Just shows people's obsession with minute detail and clarity turned media into blunt instruments.
I enjoyed the video but I disagree with the Megatron part. It's a perfect example of victim blaming and not understanding trauma. (No hate.)
Sorry for grammar mistakes I'm dyslexic. :( BUT BEAR WITH ME PLEASE.
I don't think Megatron's anger and need for revenge was selfish, in fact, it was a good thing.
Sentinel not only slaughtered the primes who were Cybertrons protectors and idols, he lied to everyone, was stripping them of the thing they need to SURVIVE, was boosting the wealthy and making people slaves , made a deal with their oppressors to elevate his status and keep power, forced everyone else to suffer for his actions (Righteous or not), and wanted to use Megatron, Optimus after the Iacon 5000 to get miners to mine better because their oppressors were getting impatient, put Megatron and everyone else at risk of death or a hell of a lot of harm and was not opposed to torturing people FOR HIS EGO.
I'm quite surprised you humanised Sentinel but not Megatron who was a victim?
Megatron had every right to be angry he had every right to want to get back at Sentinel for the trauma he and his people have endured. "He lied to my face" Megatron idolised Sentinel and after witnessing that the prime had been lying to him and his people and giving away the energon they mined and put their lives at risk for. It will hurt. Megatron met Sentinel HIS IDOL and all Sentinel wanted was to use him and Optimus to parade around the other slaves, and inspire them to kill themselves faster for energon they'll never get a taste of aside rations.
If your idol met you was super cool and was like "Yo bro, you're pretty neat. Hay! Go around a shelter of sad abused puppies and give them treats" and then murdered the puppies because he was allergic and getting rid of them helped them in some way despite it being cruel and unreasonable, would or would you not be upset??
There was no proof that Megatron's anger came from a place of selfishness to begin with "He lied to my face" isn't good enough proof Megatron ,as a trauma and mistreatment survivor thrust into a scary new world where everything he knew and thought of before was SHATTERED and a whole different life was selfishly stripped from the slaves, was reviewing memories to make sense of what the actual hell is going on everything I knew and loved before isn't true and my life is a lie.
Sure there's no proof of that either but it makes more sense than the dude who looked out for his friends, supported a strange chattering bot from level 50 for no reason other than to keep him happy and took punches and risks multiple times to make sure Optimus would be okay to all of a sudden be "Selfish" and only work for his "own interest" and hate his friends.
Megatron faced the people of his city, the slaves and the people who weren't subjected to being slaughtered in the thousands for Sentinel's rule but were manipulated and lied to. He wanted to free them to exact a new rule where people wouldn't use, abuse and lie to them. He faced them when he killed Sentinel he let them watch, to let them know it's over. Megatron's intentions were less selfish than Sentinel even if they were on the same path to being villains.
So humanising Sentinel while putting Megatron down is weird to me! You see a villain, an oppressor, a slave owner, a murderer and you think "No the victim who's traumatized and rightfully angry is the bad guy because Optimus said so." What??
No hate fr but it doesn't add up chief Sentinel is no better than Megatron is.
I do agree that Megatron went too far by shooting buildings and killing Optimus BUT Optimus put himself in the line of fire! That was HIS choice! And Megatron could see Optimus would keep making stupid, reckless decisions to get his own way and if that meant disrespecting, refusing to hear Megatron out, GETTING MEGATRON HURT and getting in Megatrons way that meant he was a liability to a world that couldn't handle any more right now. Megatron obviously regretted hurting Optimus but he was running off whatever Cybertronians had for adrenaline and the rush of finally feeling free and Optimus chose to put himself in Megatrons way to get his own way.
Rebuilding on an execution might not be the greatest but after what Sentinel had done? It might've inspired people to work towards a future where someone like Sentinel doesn't get into power and it might've inspired them to stay strong because there are people willing to make the hard choices everyone else won't.
I do agree that Megatron was too hard on Optimus during the roadtrip but he was working through a lifetime of trauma and abuse he's scared, he's angry, he's betrayed and Optimus keeps acting like everything is fine and nothing has changed and by directly disrespecting Megatron before the Iacon 5000 and tricking him into joining Optimus had shattered Megatron's reality so yeah he's gonna be a lil aggressive that's a real sign of trauma and fear, I would know!
Optimus was hurting Megatron by being careless at the beginning of the movie. Breaking into the Archives where Megatron had to save his aft and taking a hit to the faceplate because Optimus wouldn't keep his mouth shut and those weren't the first time as said in the movie. So yeah... After everything that's happened Megatron isn't thinking right and he's got a rush he's gonna do stupid things and if Optimus just kept hurting him and disagreeing with him of course Megatron is gonna do something about it.
Optimus made his choice, like he has thousands of times before, Sentinel made his choice, everyone else made their choice. It was time Megatron finally got to make his.
I am so down to debate though! This movie was so good and talking about it and how other people view it is fun.
Anyway that's my ted talk on why I love Megatron and how people are doing him dirty by acting like he's just a selfish villain and nothing more. Fun video btw.
First things first, because I've got no idea how you reached this conclusion - I never humanised sentinel. I pointed out that he was always power hungry and resentful of the primes,I didn't frame him a some unfortunate pawn who did what he thought was right. I merely pointed out that when faced with conflict he chose the easier solution for him to get what he wants, regardless of the fact it would destroy him in the long run. He was and always chooses to be a bullying coward
I also pointed out that he shouldn't have been executed because he needed to face justice. Optimus wanted to form a newer, better society for Cybertron, a more civilised one, and every civilised society needs proper justice. If the people chose to have sentinel killed then he should be killed, but that would be the choice of the people, not just Megatron wanting revenge
Everything that you described that happened to Megatron also happened to every other miner. The only person who we see choose to keep fighting a already won battle and execute a helpless defeated enemy was Megatron. And he justified it by saying that HE suffered, regardless of the fact that EVERy OTHER MINER also suffered and DIDN'T want sentinel executed
Megatron wasn't necessarily selfish just because he wanted vengeance. He was selfish because he chose vengeance over the will and needs of literally everyone else in Iacon. You can't tell everyone you're fighting for their freedom and then start blowing up the city they're trapped in
Megatron ultimately is a villain because he chooses himself over everyone else despite them being just a much victims as he is. Optimus is so devoted for a better Cybertron he gets in the way of a bullet aimed for a tyrant, and the only thing Megatron can think in that moment is how HE is betrayed. He never once stops to think of the reasons why his best friend might have done that
I get why people are sympathetic to Megatron and his journey. But being sympathetic doesn't mean someone is right
Glad you liked the video and I enjoyed hearing your side of things
@@therealloomar Uh, I wouldn't assume the other miners didn't want him dead. Beyond seeing how betrayed they felt over what he did, there wasn't much else. For all we know, a bunch of them were also calling for Sentinel's head as well
@@Furydragonstormer The other miners and the rest of Cybertronians are shocked and angry, and some of them want to punish Sentinel by death, but it's up to them to decide; not only D / Megatron, who claims he'll do the same thing to anyone who gets in his way, including those who think he goes too far, as Orion tried to tell him
They were shocked and angry, yes, but none of them would like to live in terror
Optimus would've made Sentinel executed if the people decided this way. Or banished from Iacon City, at the mercy of the Quintessons, who would do the dirty work
@thejester2751 You forgot D / Megatron's former mates, who also are victims like him. Especially B, who's seen Sentinel execute Alpha Trion and torture D. Strange that nobody notices him and his view
@@goldflo91 You're ignoring the context of my comment calling out loomer for assuming none of the miners wanted Sentinel dead. My comment had nothing to do with saying D/Megatron was okay doing it, I'm simply pointing out one shouldn't assume everyone in the background is going to take the good guy's side
I dunno. Because in Transformer Energon Megatron actually rebecame Good in that series.Also you ignore the Optimus Himself became Evil in Bayverse when he became Nemesis Prime.
What does any of that have to do with Transformers: One?
@therealloomar That Megatron can still become a Good Guy Later on. Heck in the Animated Show there are Moments Megatron And Optimous actually Figt Together and also Megatron even Fight his Future Self Gravatron
@therealloomar Also Goldbug in Shattered Glass Comic is actually Eviler than Megatron.
I was rooting for Megatron and then they made him do random reasonless evil shit where he starts blowing up Iacon.
This some bullshit why cant my beloved buckethead freedom fighter not be a evil bastard.
Watch Transformers Shattered Glass series
@@boxoid5230 Because Megatron is blinded by rage, after being blinded by his faith in the Primes and Sentinel; unlike Orion, who knew there was something wrong, and Elita and B, who suffered without any other option left