Kevin Fiege and the Russo Brothers get a majority of the praise of Infinity War and Endgame, but people seem to forget how crucial Stephen and Christopher have been for both movies and Cap’s character development. They’ve done just as great a job as the Russo’s and I cannot wait to see what they do next.
I know Jesus if you’re referring to Cap picking up the hammer, that was both great and something worked up to since AoU. If they allowed Cap to lift the hammer in the first Avengers, then I’d agree it felt like forced, unearned fan service. Not for Endgame. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Don’t care if anyone disagrees.
Such is the way it has always been for writers. Look up Richard Matheson sometime and everything he did in his life to get an idea of how big a hidden influence he was and remains.
@@jjbjjv8288 wdym unfortunately? The writers were crucial in how these movies turned out but the russo brothers were also crucial and contributed greatly. Unless you mean it's unfortunate that the russo brothers get all the credit and these guys get barely any, in which case I agree
Mark McAllister she was in the movie so that the final movie to end this saga would feature ALL the MCU heroes. I know it’s cool to hate on Cap Marvel, but your reasoning here is pretty pathetic.
MrSoulshock44 I think you can't underestimate the collaborative aspect here as well. They worked closely not only with the producers of each Marvel IP but with the actors and directors on a daily basis. It really shows.
If you thought about it hard enough, it was always likely. RDJ wasn't going to play the part forever and his entire arc was leading up to a moment like that. He became progressively more heroic as the movies went on. I think people just didn't want to think about it. I certainly didn't. I've just been invested in the ride, not every single character's fate. I think Captain America's fate was a lot more surprising.
@@Freeden But I bet nothing was more surprising than Thor's fate, nobody predicted THAT) He was the most boring among those three main avengers. I wasn't invested in his story. But IW changed everything)
Anybody paying attention to RDJ's contract negotiations knew his time in the MCU was limited. Downey wanted to move on to new things and Disney was tired of paying him 50 million a movie.
I’d say the majority of fandom would’ve bet that Cap was going to make that winning sacrifice and tony would finally retire. With the 5 year skip, Tony kind of got that ending
Really? Knowing how marvel movies started, I knew it was going to open with Hawkeye because it had to happen during Infinity War but it didn't. So i thought it probably going to start the movie with another victim of the snap to remind us about Infinity War
@@izlshf5879 Good for you. There are many approaches to watching a movie, I chose to not to speculate on how the story might unfold. A few people were finding their seats still and before the sight of a studio logo there were audible gasps where I was and I've heard others anecdotally recall the same. Audiences came to the theater excited to see how their heroes will pull this one off and the tone of that scene was a hard reminder of the losses of Infinity War. Clint's uncertainty is a reminder of those lost who are both unseen, as well as normal people losing their loved ones for unknown reasons so abruptly.
The fact that they are writers first, screenwriters second is probably central to their success. Some people aim to write blockbusters, but these people aim to tell stories. They’d never sacrifice character development and consistency for some cheap wow moment. That’s why the MCU is so much more than just superhero movies. They’re human stories too.
@@TheMasterQuests at least movies by these guys. There are no two movies in the world as infinity war & Endgame. Even if someone does not like them, you can't disagree to their power over audiences globally. Or will wait for an example.
Im no writer, but it's interesting to see how these writers come up with the twist and turns of story. They deserve views not only the directors and actors but these writers as well
They make such a key statement towards the end of the video: we don’t necessarily react to the events as much as we do the characters’ reaction to them. I know people who weren’t impressed with the snap because they knew all the dusted people would return. We all knew they would, but those of us who were devastated were emulating the feelings of those who didn’t know that, primarily, the surviving characters. It’s like a weird hybrid of suspension of disbelief and empathy.
I'm just impressed at how diligently they worked on it. Each scene had been rewritten at least five times by the beginning of 2016, only to keep working on it till early 2019. Christ that is commitment. No wonder they nailed it.
Then isn’t it crazy that some people haven’t even seen it a second time because they were so angry and disappointed in the first?! Like they haaate Endgame
@@laurenwrties6808 There is always that less than 1% of people that dislike anything that's popular. Ex: Not a single popular video on TH-cam has 0 dislikes.
I think I’m very much in the minority of this but act one of endgame might be my favourite. You want to talk radically different mcu... that first act was beautiful to me and I’ve never heard people react in a theatre to three small words and I probably never will as much as “five........years...later”
Antonio Brooks I completely agree. The part between cap and nat in the avengers headquarters is so well done by everybody. Directing acting everything.
I’m tired of hearing people complain about a certain character not being in the movie that much. If people were truly paying attention they would know that regarding certain characters (Captain Marvel/ Black Panther), they would know that it’s not their story. The movie isn’t about them but about the end of the original 6 Avengers.
the key take-away isn't the framework but how the screen play is a collaborative project at the big studio level. it's a lot of "right to left" writing where you are given the actors, status of the characters, budget, and schedule and have to collaborate with the marketing department and studio heads to figure out the best script. none of this "I took 6 months to write a masterpiece screenplay" business. that stuff is for indie movies.
this is what good writing is. not killing off characters for shock value or emotional manipulation, but building up characters until their death finally serves as a tribute to a historied journey
I’ve watched almost every interview with these guys, I love their writing. So glad you made this video! I want them to release the Infinity War and Endgame scripts.
@JJ Broadcast I mean, you can like both. These guys are good writers, best in their genre, of course there are better screenplays out there, but it's not "wasting time" if you study these ones too. It's not like these are Bayformers or DCEU movies, the MCU, especially the ones written by these guys, usually have actual thought and heart put into them
@@ILoveRavenclaw9 , you mean movies like Thor The Dark World, which was written by these two? Which was so bad, every major person involved in that movie said it wasn't good.
@@anutshell2426 Except that wasn't their baby, they've said it themselves. They were called in to do last minute script fixes, the majority of the script wasn't written by them
@@ILoveRavenclaw9 yes, it was. They have the main credit for the screenplay along with other writer. Means they wrote the shooting script with plot points and dialogue. Putting blame on others for your mistakes is a cowardly thing.
17:43 See this what people misunderstand, audiences were emotionally impacted at the end of Infinty War because of the implications it meant for the characters and the universe and seeing their favorite characters suffer for their failure not because people genuinely believed they're permanently dead (alteast not most people).
I really doubt the validity of having test audiences when complaints like "The first part is slow" still come up. I loved that it started so slow. Marvel movies have been all so one dimensionally focused on the heroes journey to the next asskicking and success. It was the best thing that Endgame didn't do that and mused quite a lot about their defeat at first. It is what makes a decent movie into a great movie where the emotional payoff is the highest. And if the average test audience member can't see that.... then get rid of test audiences!
Such a bold move to write a movie with billions of dollars hanging on it to end in a tragedy, then have the audience wait a long time, then have the 1st half of the next movie be all depressing set up. but it worked so well. good job guys
@JJ Broadcast the final fight was incredible for one and the characters were very compelling? The comedy was great and entertaining, and they gave the story good stakes. Why did _you_ enjoy it?
@@CabezasDePescado it's not a bad movie by any means, but its definitely disappointing if you're looking at what came before, there was just no way they could top infinity war, so of course endgame would never measure up.
Yea edit this, they started during Captain America: The First Avenger, and didn't write "everything". They wrote Captain America: The First Avenger, Winter Soldier, co-wrote dark world (tried to save it), Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame
"Its not when people die that is sad for the audience. Its when the people that are left behind have to react to it." *Shows Cap crying* Why do that to me..
Putting the Hawkeye's family disappearing scene in the beginning of Endgame was so smart. It put you right back when IW left while showing a new scene. It would've been really weird to just see Hawkeye at the end like this. These guys ara AMAZING !
I feel like the hardest part about being a writer to such a big franchise is knowing what’s going to happen in 2020 in 2015 and having to keep your mouth shut😂
I really enjoyed this talk of these two writers. I found out so much. Now it became clear to me how important Hulk was in Endgame. If he would just have been the smashing Hulk, he would not have cooperated during the scene, where he snaps to bring back the vanished lives. Being the only one, who won’t die of this immense amount of gamma radiation, the scene just felt even more powerful, where they gathered to say goodbye to Tony Stark. Tony died due to this immense power of the stones. You can see the Hulk, standing there, these wounds not having recovered, and thinking, what Tony did in order to save everyone. That gives Tony’s life full meaning, as the writers have said about his death. That’s a meaningful role for the Hulk, in my opinion.
The writers put the explanation for Hulk and Thor in the film, although the complainers didn’t get it. [they never get anything though, so...] Thor’s mom Freda says: The measure of the hero is to succeed in being *who they are* .... “Not in who they are ‘supposed’ to be”. When someone says Hulk was *supposed* to have a rematch with Thanos, Frieda’s wisdom is what they are not getting. Professor Hulk is *not* driven by a personal need to vent rage, or seek revenge. That’s *not* who he is anymore. The viewer can accept that or not, doesn’t matter because he is who he is, not who you want him to be.
@Summer Tyme That is really good, a very powerful phrase. I think such an attitude is very life-changing for people. Good film-writing, thanks for your comment!
Last summer the Russos admitted they intentionally benched the Hulk because they had no interest in the character, so its no secret anymore, they intentionally wasted the Hulk in both movies, and gave him the snap in Endgame just to give him something to do. The Hulk didn't have a single big action moment in either film, while the others got more than their share of glory. No Hulk fan alive was satisfied with just seeing him snap in the two biggest Marvel movies ever made, that did not cut it. There absolutely no excuse to not give the Hulk a big moment in one of the final showdowns. It was inexcusable.
I’m so glade they flat out said that captain marvel coming in and saving everyone is bad writing me and friends we’re wordy about that for almost a year
I knew better and you guys should have as well. While MCU made missteps in their early days, they were never going to blow the landing THAT badly, especially after they saw Justice League make that mistake with Superman.
@@skennedy1893 yeah the writing started to go downhill after season 4 and thet themes and meanings were kinda betrayed in the later ones. They started killing off characters for mere shock value or convenience rather than to push the story and characters forward.
That's true! What they did in Endgame was just a small tweak--This time, he was willing to sacrifice his future with his wife and little girl. To sacrifice getting to raise her and see her grow up, which is impactful in a different way
He's been willing since Iron Man 1 with making Pepper overload the big arc reactor with him on top of it. The differences are: this time it wasn't heat of the moment they gave him time to think about it, he had far more to live for than before, and it wasn't a risk or gamble-- he was absolutely definitely going to die. He was always a hero, but Endgame made him THE hero.
I think WB will get it right the next time. I'm just glad they're letting film makers with a vision tell their stories with great characters (Reeves, Phillips etc)
@Tommy gibstain You mean film snobs, actually, who, like that pack of incel comic nerds, are so desperate for status that they need some measure of reflected glory to have an identity. I find both groups singularly unimaginative and unimpressive, little better than groupies hoping for validation that's likely never coming.
WOW! What a tool to have access too for writing anything! Thanks to the writers for being so open and candid about their process, thanks to Vanity Fair for realizing how awesome this is to share with people. Just great!
I love seeing them break down how the script is able to land. Not everyone watches it and considers how much planning needed to be made in order for the story to be so effective
I swear, how so many people still can't grasp why a movie might be slow in parts is infuriating. It's like they've never heard of character development or setting the mood. I think they're the kinds of people who would get the most enjoyment out of watching Transformers or some Fast and the furious movie.
It's a lot more complex than you might think. I'm an aspiring writer and let me tell you, I can totally understand that writing takes a lot of time, planning, and effort to do. -- A guy who likes to write and think.
I wish the regular Hollywood people would learn that one of the things that makes these Marvel movies so good is that the characters have real character arcs instead of being the same person in every movie.
Every actor has their "iconic" character. RDJ is Iron Man. Josh Brolin is Thanos. Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool. Huge Jackedman is Wolverine. Anthony Hopkins is Hannibal Lecter. Sometimes an actor and a role are made for each other.
Imo it is a couple of things, one in particular is the bad guy "wins", they weren't shy about ending on a sad note unlike most movies where the good guy prevails. Another is the pacing, for me, was perfect. Open with Thanos, beats up hulk, we go to earth, a little back story, and then boom we're in outer space and it just keeps going. Loved every second of IW
i think endgame felt like it missed a few scenes when ant man returned and in the creation of time travel, perhaps the time of the movie cut it, but that section seemed to miss a few tiny beats. Script still was top notch, far better than justice league ever was with an hour less of script needed. If we have only nitpicks it deserves to be at the top of the box office.
Yeah I feel like IW was perfectly paced tbh but endgame wasn’t as good pacing wise but had amazing character interactions which is what mad it so good for me
What astounds me is the amount of attention the writers have gotten for this. Thats something you dont usually see with films. Most of the attention is usually on the directors or actors.
Love this! So inspiring. The movies were inspiring, this video is inspiring. Love hearing about the people behind the project; the passion is evident and comes through every scene and moment on screen.
I mean...wow! That was amazing and just makes me love and appreciate all the effort they put into this universe. I got chocked up as they were talking about getting chocked up and, maybe for the first time, began thinking about how each character felt seeing their best friend disintegrate into dust before their eyes. Yes, time travel is incredibly messy but that doesn't change the fact that Mr. McFeely and Mr. Markus gave us a film series like no other. Something that's never been done before and likely won't ever be done again, not even by Marvel/Disney.
Not biased on/against MCU. I'm script writer plus film fanatic. You guys nailed it with Avengers Endgame, like you guys nailed and paid off the past decade of MCU perfectly. Wasn't cheesy at all the call backs nothing was red conned even with the time travel everyone knew that's your only option/solution after infinity war. I and all like minded ppl agree, nothing ever will ever come close to being that perfect of cinema and joined storylines, the pay off to all of that, never again will that be achieved again, not even by marvel themselves
Also I love that they have respect for Back to the Future. And they’re not stroking their egos with the time travel like they acknowledge that they didn’t wanna be patting themselves on the back. I’ve suddenly realised how much I respect these guys.
Completely agree, the best villain since Heath Ledger's Joker. Thanos is a villain who believes he is doing the greater good, doesn't lie and doesn't kill for the thrill but only when necessary. He has a wrapped sense of morality but he has a code and inspires loyalty in very powerful henchmen/henchwomen and most importantly he is 100% committed to a cause. He took it as an insult that the Avengers sought to undo what he was going to do. Basically saying, "they just don't get it. I have to do this." And on top of all that, he was extremely powerful. He was the best choice compared to Loki, Galactus, Dormamu, Magneto, Ego, Dr. Doom or any other Marvel villain. He will define what a great villain is for a generation.
It's actually really satisfying that they didn't have the whole thing planned all along. It's cool that they had to wing it and come up with a creative way to save the day just like the heroes of the story did.
"It's not when people die that is emotional for the audience. It's the reaction of the people around them." I think in this very special case, seeing Iron Man pass was the emotional beat because he's been on the big screen and in our lives for so long.
For Cap to be his best self he had to get a life. For Tony to be his best self he had to lose his.
Wow that hit hard
I know I was like
"But tony isnt goin to be his best self......His dead"
Senpai_Chan you messed up bro 😂
The writers sitting in a room plotting out the time heist:
"Guys, if you pick the right year, there are three stones in New York"
Kevin: SHUT THE DOOR!
Terry Goh OPEN THE DOOR
Franchino 88 now shut it again
@@allthatjazz4437 now open it again
Now shut the door once again
Kevin Fiege and the Russo Brothers get a majority of the praise of Infinity War and Endgame, but people seem to forget how crucial Stephen and Christopher have been for both movies and Cap’s character development.
They’ve done just as great a job as the Russo’s and I cannot wait to see what they do next.
Very true, they deserve the praise for Infinity War, but not fan service: the movie.. they dropped the ball on that film.
@@JBrotsis1 endgame
jbroti 004 Are you actually serious right now?
I know Jesus if you’re referring to Cap picking up the hammer, that was both great and something worked up to since AoU. If they allowed Cap to lift the hammer in the first Avengers, then I’d agree it felt like forced, unearned fan service.
Not for Endgame.
Sorry if anyone disagrees. Don’t care if anyone disagrees.
Ya, can't wait for another snooze fest like Endgame.
Its guys like these, who get no credit besides their name in a long credit scene.
But they're some of the most important people
Such is the way it has always been for writers. Look up Richard Matheson sometime and everything he did in his life to get an idea of how big a hidden influence he was and remains.
Yeah the Russo brothers get the credit unfortunately
I feel the same way!!
@@jjbjjv8288 wdym unfortunately? The writers were crucial in how these movies turned out but the russo brothers were also crucial and contributed greatly. Unless you mean it's unfortunate that the russo brothers get all the credit and these guys get barely any, in which case I agree
Actually as a hobby writer, this video is teaching me so much about making a good story and to see the process of long term development of a story
Same
No it isn't...ie 'Captain Marvel"
@@MarkMcAllister-ni9sf They didn't write that...
@@maxhydekyle2425 it was shoehorned into the film for political wokeness...so yes they did
Mark McAllister she was in the movie so that the final movie to end this saga would feature ALL the MCU heroes.
I know it’s cool to hate on Cap Marvel, but your reasoning here is pretty pathetic.
The fact that they are so passionate is the real reason all of this actually worked
MrSoulshock44 I think you can't underestimate the collaborative aspect here as well. They worked closely not only with the producers of each Marvel IP but with the actors and directors on a daily basis. It really shows.
@WolfofMiibu nope, he's still awesome.
Wish they had channeled some of that passion toward their writing of the Hulk. They wrote the worst Hulk we have ever gotten in a marvel movie.
They knew Tony was going to die back in 2015.... we were so naive
If you thought about it hard enough, it was always likely. RDJ wasn't going to play the part forever and his entire arc was leading up to a moment like that. He became progressively more heroic as the movies went on. I think people just didn't want to think about it. I certainly didn't. I've just been invested in the ride, not every single character's fate. I think Captain America's fate was a lot more surprising.
@@Freeden But I bet nothing was more surprising than Thor's fate, nobody predicted THAT)
He was the most boring among those three main avengers. I wasn't invested in his story. But IW changed everything)
Anybody paying attention to RDJ's contract negotiations knew his time in the MCU was limited. Downey wanted to move on to new things and Disney was tired of paying him 50 million a movie.
We all knew tbh
I’d say the majority of fandom would’ve bet that Cap was going to make that winning sacrifice and tony would finally retire. With the 5 year skip, Tony kind of
got that ending
Hawkeye cold open caught the audience off guard in the theater and was a great start to the movie.
Really? Knowing how marvel movies started, I knew it was going to open with Hawkeye because it had to happen during Infinity War but it didn't. So i thought it probably going to start the movie with another victim of the snap to remind us about Infinity War
@@izlshf5879 Good for you. There are many approaches to watching a movie, I chose to not to speculate on how the story might unfold. A few people were finding their seats still and before the sight of a studio logo there were audible gasps where I was and I've heard others anecdotally recall the same. Audiences came to the theater excited to see how their heroes will pull this one off and the tone of that scene was a hard reminder of the losses of Infinity War. Clint's uncertainty is a reminder of those lost who are both unseen, as well as normal people losing their loved ones for unknown reasons so abruptly.
FlmKrp Shx you’re so cool bro
@@izlshf5879 Me and my family didn't expect it to happen at the very beginning.
@@theaveragemegaguy why?😅
The fact that they are writers first, screenwriters second is probably central to their success. Some people aim to write blockbusters, but these people aim to tell stories. They’d never sacrifice character development and consistency for some cheap wow moment. That’s why the MCU is so much more than just superhero movies. They’re human stories too.
Some of the MCU not all of it
@@TheMasterQuests at least movies by these guys. There are no two movies in the world as infinity war & Endgame. Even if someone does not like them, you can't disagree to their power over audiences globally.
Or will wait for an example.
@@danrazART I think most people like these two films
you dont feel like the last decade of superhero movies have almost all been a "cheap wow moment"?
@@darkskinwhite no
"Google?"
"NOOO we had actual physicists!"
@@privatetrash2810 In physics things get disproven a lot.
LMAO
@@privatetrash2810 I don't think they could've really made that scientifically sound.
The guy on the left seemed like he didn't like the time travel, but rolled with it
@@emor6100 Well it's not like we actually know how/if time travel works. As long as it makes sense in that world that's all that really matters.
Im no writer, but it's interesting to see how these writers come up with the twist and turns of story. They deserve views not only the directors and actors but these writers as well
No matter how high your preferred place is in writing, this is highly useful advice.
They make such a key statement towards the end of the video: we don’t necessarily react to the events as much as we do the characters’ reaction to them. I know people who weren’t impressed with the snap because they knew all the dusted people would return. We all knew they would, but those of us who were devastated were emulating the feelings of those who didn’t know that, primarily, the surviving characters. It’s like a weird hybrid of suspension of disbelief and empathy.
Shoutout to Trin Tran for (even indirectly) suggesting Thanos’ pre title card death. Made the movie.
Ok but I kinda wish this was one of those hour long videos.
Yes
Next up: Marvel writers explain how they wrote "FAKE" scripts to prevent spoiler leaks.
This comment deserves more likes.
word tho lmao
Marvel writers explain how they convince their actors that they're reading the real script 5 times in a row. XD
I'm just impressed at how diligently they worked on it. Each scene had been rewritten at least five times by the beginning of 2016, only to keep working on it till early 2019. Christ that is commitment. No wonder they nailed it.
Then isn’t it crazy that some people haven’t even seen it a second time because they were so angry and disappointed in the first?! Like they haaate Endgame
@@laurenwrties6808 There is always that less than 1% of people that dislike anything that's popular. Ex: Not a single popular video on TH-cam has 0 dislikes.
@@laurenwrties6808 Endgame is the #1 film of all time in terms of box office. It wouldn't have done that without repeat viewings.
@@g.a.r3058 Good planning.
@@mathiyanz They also rereleased the film in order to get it there.
I think I’m very much in the minority of this but act one of endgame might be my favourite. You want to talk radically different mcu... that first act was beautiful to me and I’ve never heard people react in a theatre to three small words and I probably never will as much as “five........years...later”
same. the time jump was a huge surprise and worked perfectly.
I'm really annoyed that I searched up what happens at the end of the comic because I knew there was a time jump, it ruined that surprise for me.
Yeah the first 45-60 minutes of pure character growth is superb. Some of the finest acting and writing in the MCU
Antonio Brooks I completely agree. The part between cap and nat in the avengers headquarters is so well done by everybody. Directing acting everything.
Absolutely agree. 2/3 if the movie wasn't special to me, but the first 1/3 was great. IW is still the best tho, imo
They really just gave us an Outline on how they made the MCU. This is Amazing!
I’m tired of hearing people complain about a certain character not being in the movie that much. If people were truly paying attention they would know that regarding certain characters (Captain Marvel/ Black Panther), they would know that it’s not their story. The movie isn’t about them but about the end of the original 6 Avengers.
they did a good job, juggling so many characters and plotlines. Infinity War especially was impressive, start to finish.
Just goes to show: the audience isn't dumb. They always appreciate a good story no matter what.
I love how they break this down, there is power in the process and it was perfectly well done
Looper & Watchmojo will use this to come up with some very dumb clickbait Theories.
So true
So block them. Easy. lol
Mohammad Ibrahim true
Even more Looper than any one else.
I can already see it now “*TOP 10 THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT END GAME*”
As an aspiring writer, I’m buying that Screenplay book
the key take-away isn't the framework but how the screen play is a collaborative project at the big studio level. it's a lot of "right to left" writing where you are given the actors, status of the characters, budget, and schedule and have to collaborate with the marketing department and studio heads to figure out the best script. none of this "I took 6 months to write a masterpiece screenplay" business. that stuff is for indie movies.
this is what good writing is. not killing off characters for shock value or emotional manipulation, but building up characters until their death finally serves as a tribute to a historied journey
I still cant believe how emotionally impactful they were able to make these 2 films..... Amazing job
This was extremely insightful and fascinating. Kinda wish it was longer.
That's what she said
I’ve watched almost every interview with these guys, I love their writing. So glad you made this video! I want them to release the Infinity War and Endgame scripts.
@JJ Broadcast I mean, you can like both. These guys are good writers, best in their genre, of course there are better screenplays out there, but it's not "wasting time" if you study these ones too.
It's not like these are Bayformers or DCEU movies, the MCU, especially the ones written by these guys, usually have actual thought and heart put into them
@@ILoveRavenclaw9 , you mean movies like Thor The Dark World, which was written by these two? Which was so bad, every major person involved in that movie said it wasn't good.
@@anutshell2426 Except that wasn't their baby, they've said it themselves. They were called in to do last minute script fixes, the majority of the script wasn't written by them
@@ILoveRavenclaw9 yes, it was. They have the main credit for the screenplay along with other writer. Means they wrote the shooting script with plot points and dialogue. Putting blame on others for your mistakes is a cowardly thing.
9:00 one of my favourite scenes in the movie
17:43 See this what people misunderstand, audiences were emotionally impacted at the end of Infinty War because of the implications it meant for the characters and the universe and seeing their favorite characters suffer for their failure not because people genuinely believed they're permanently dead (alteast not most people).
Just Stephen McFeely saying "on your left" makes me well up. What great writers, what amazing scene.
I really doubt the validity of having test audiences when complaints like "The first part is slow" still come up.
I loved that it started so slow. Marvel movies have been all so one dimensionally focused on the heroes journey to the next asskicking and success. It was the best thing that Endgame didn't do that and mused quite a lot about their defeat at first. It is what makes a decent movie into a great movie where the emotional payoff is the highest.
And if the average test audience member can't see that.... then get rid of test audiences!
elites of the elites in those screenings. They wanted mach speed but wasnt the point of this one. Now if Black widow is mach speed OH YES please
This is such a good and informative video for all fans, thank you
Such a bold move to write a movie with billions of dollars hanging on it to end in a tragedy, then have the audience wait a long time, then have the 1st half of the next movie be all depressing set up. but it worked so well. good job guys
endgame is a bad movie though
@@CabezasDePescado no its not
@JJ Broadcast the final fight was incredible for one and the characters were very compelling? The comedy was great and entertaining, and they gave the story good stakes. Why did _you_ enjoy it?
@@CabezasDePescado it's not a bad movie by any means, but its definitely disappointing if you're looking at what came before, there was just no way they could top infinity war, so of course endgame would never measure up.
@Et Cogito Ergo Sum
You are in a very small minority DC fanboy.The proofs are overwhelmingly undeniable.
It's amazing even at their level that made the biggest blockbuster of the decade used Syd Field's screenwriting book
Go with what works.
Think about it. All the way back to The Winter Soldier these guys were writing everything. That is fkn cool. These guys are my heroes.
HugoS they wrote first avenger and Co-wrote Thor dark world
Yea edit this, they started during Captain America: The First Avenger, and didn't write "everything". They wrote Captain America: The First Avenger, Winter Soldier, co-wrote dark world (tried to save it), Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame
"Its not when people die that is sad for the audience. Its when the people that are left behind have to react to it."
*Shows Cap crying*
Why do that to me..
There was a collective tearing up of the audience in my screening of Endgame when the movie opened and Hawkeye lost his family..
The end of an era. What a ride it’s been
Putting the Hawkeye's family disappearing scene in the beginning of Endgame was so smart. It put you right back when IW left while showing a new scene. It would've been really weird to just see Hawkeye at the end like this. These guys ara AMAZING !
Yeah would've took me out of the movie.
I'VE WAITED FOR THIS MY WHOLE LIFE
I feel like the hardest part about being a writer to such a big franchise is knowing what’s going to happen in 2020 in 2015 and having to keep your mouth shut😂
This really made up for the lackluster bonus features on the actual bluray
Dammit they knew what they were doing to us at the beginning of Endgame 😭 poor Clint suddenly losing his family without explanation
I really enjoyed this talk of these two writers. I found out so much.
Now it became clear to me how important Hulk was in Endgame.
If he would just have been the smashing Hulk, he would not have cooperated during the scene, where he snaps to bring back the vanished lives.
Being the only one, who won’t die of this immense amount of gamma radiation, the scene just felt even more powerful, where they gathered to say goodbye to Tony Stark.
Tony died due to this immense power of the stones. You can see the Hulk, standing there, these wounds not having recovered, and thinking, what Tony did in order to save everyone. That gives Tony’s life full meaning, as the writers have said about his death.
That’s a meaningful role for the Hulk, in my opinion.
The writers put the explanation for Hulk and Thor in the film, although the complainers didn’t get it. [they never get anything though, so...]
Thor’s mom Freda says: The measure of the hero is to succeed in being *who they are* .... “Not in who they are ‘supposed’ to be”.
When someone says Hulk was *supposed* to have a rematch with Thanos, Frieda’s wisdom is what they are not getting.
Professor Hulk is *not* driven by a personal need to vent rage, or seek revenge. That’s *not* who he is anymore. The viewer can accept that or not, doesn’t matter because he is who he is, not who you want him to be.
@Summer Tyme
That is really good, a very powerful phrase. I think such an attitude is very life-changing for people. Good film-writing, thanks for your comment!
Last summer the Russos admitted they intentionally benched the Hulk because they had no interest in the character, so its no secret anymore, they intentionally wasted the Hulk in both movies, and gave him the snap in Endgame just to give him something to do. The Hulk didn't have a single big action moment in either film, while the others got more than their share of glory. No Hulk fan alive was satisfied with just seeing him snap in the two biggest Marvel movies ever made, that did not cut it. There absolutely no excuse to not give the Hulk a big moment in one of the final showdowns. It was inexcusable.
That moment when they show Cap with tears in his eyes made me tear up again :(
I’m so glade they flat out said that captain marvel coming in and saving everyone is bad writing me and friends we’re wordy about that for almost a year
I knew better and you guys should have as well. While MCU made missteps in their early days, they were never going to blow the landing THAT badly, especially after they saw Justice League make that mistake with Superman.
I love how they came with an idea of a rat saving the whole universe. 😂
If you think about it. There are many rats after the snap because all the government services are gone. It was bound to happen
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@@mividamoca945 but 50 % of all rats also disappeared so..
@Leo rats procreate really fast
@@wholelottastairway8 ya they'd be back to 100% in like weeks and be incredibly invasive within months.
yeah i know, the script was terrible
I just love how Steve and Tony's character arc has an interrelationship
That's so cool and possibly a great full stop for their own story
These guys know how to end a series unlike those game of thrones writers.
Exactly I feel like watching GOT was not worth it but worth it!
Passion vs. Paycheck.
@JJ Broadcast The last 4 seasons were actually kinda trash.. everyone was drinking the kool aid but had enough with the last 2 seasons as that was it.
@@skennedy1893 yeah the writing started to go downhill after season 4 and thet themes and meanings were kinda betrayed in the later ones. They started killing off characters for mere shock value or convenience rather than to push the story and characters forward.
There writing has more deeper layers then any mcu movie mate
Scorsese: Marvel movies don't take risks, have no character development... aren't cinema.
Markus & McFeely: ...
Tony's been willing to sacrifice himself since avengers 1. Just saying
SPANKSY Longbottoms very true I completely forgot about that
That's true! What they did in Endgame was just a small tweak--This time, he was willing to sacrifice his future with his wife and little girl. To sacrifice getting to raise her and see her grow up, which is impactful in a different way
@@humansnotbots-y8l yup. They make you think they just thought it up. 👆
@@Joneedance yeah... I see your point.... He had more on the line in endgame. So it meant more.
He's been willing since Iron Man 1 with making Pepper overload the big arc reactor with him on top of it. The differences are: this time it wasn't heat of the moment they gave him time to think about it, he had far more to live for than before, and it wasn't a risk or gamble-- he was absolutely definitely going to die.
He was always a hero, but Endgame made him THE hero.
When Iron Man died you could hear people sobbing. Even little kids.
When Superman died it was like 'meh' and nobody cared.
Other way around for me
Yeah it only took 49208402 movies to buildup that moment
I think WB will get it right the next time. I'm just glad they're letting film makers with a vision tell their stories with great characters (Reeves, Phillips etc)
@@lukeevans6070 You cried when superman died in BvS? I have a hard time believing that.
10 years of connection vs 2 movies. That comparison doesn't seem fair.
Christoper Marcus and Stephen Mcfeely is the guy who made mcu film Legendary
These two are THE REAL MVPS of the MCU.
I love that writing process so much! No wonder the MCU is so good!
@Tommy gibstain Why wouldn't he? Marvel makes outstanding films
@Tommy gibstain You mean film snobs, actually, who, like that pack of incel comic nerds, are so desperate for status that they need some measure of reflected glory to have an identity. I find both groups singularly unimaginative and unimpressive, little better than groupies hoping for validation that's likely never coming.
These guys are epic. Thank you for telling such great stories
WOW! What a tool to have access too for writing anything! Thanks to the writers for being so open and candid about their process, thanks to Vanity Fair for realizing how awesome this is to share with people. Just great!
I love seeing them break down how the script is able to land. Not everyone watches it and considers how much planning needed to be made in order for the story to be so effective
I love this so much its so amazing to see how ideas become reality
Man this entire video is captivating. Thanks for putting this together!
Thank you, Vanity Fair for such an insightful interview! This could mean a lot to many of the aspiring writers around the globe.
This was awesome! Is there an unedited long cut? I-and I’m sure many others-would love to see it/hear it.
I swear, how so many people still can't grasp why a movie might be slow in parts is infuriating. It's like they've never heard of character development or setting the mood. I think they're the kinds of people who would get the most enjoyment out of watching Transformers or some Fast and the furious movie.
"Its not when people die that is sad for the audience, its when the people left behind had to react to it" WE KNOW YOU DID IT INTENTIONALLY
Yes. You seem to be implying that the job of a story is to make you feel good at the end.
I never heard the Russo's talk about these guys, I wanna see the four of them talking together.
Boy, I didn't expect it to be this insightful. Thanks for this interview.
Sounds so easy, just like that
It's a lot more complex than you might think.
I'm an aspiring writer and let me tell you, I can totally understand that writing takes a lot of time, planning, and effort to do.
-- A guy who likes to write and think.
Chase Hedgee r/Woosh
It aint easy tf u smoking
They worked on these scripts for YEARS - how is that easy? What a weird comment...
Tommy gibstain Why don't you go ahead and write us a movie script then if it's so easy? Should only take you like an hour, right?
These two are incredible! I’ma use some of their techniques for my next music video!
Infinity war, endgame, civil war, winter soldier. Wow, they could die tomorrow and be proud they accomplished greatness.
In order for Steve to live his best self is to get a life, and for Tony to live his best self is to lose his. Man 9 months later and that still hurt 😭
This was awesome. I love you guys 3000. Thanks for all the MCU movies you’ve written. Hopefully you’ll write for MCU some more.
Hopefully write more like Winter Soldier and Infinity War and less like Endgame.
19 minutes of Christopher Markus on my screen = 19 minutes of hope. hubba hubba!
agreed!!!
you summed up my thoughts perfectly!
What a man
Please, write Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Please please please
I wish the regular Hollywood people would learn that one of the things that makes these Marvel movies so good is that the characters have real character arcs instead of being the same person in every movie.
Thanos will always be Josh Brolin. I look as I don't see Thanos, I see Josh Brolin. 1:33
Every actor has their "iconic" character. RDJ is Iron Man. Josh Brolin is Thanos. Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool. Huge Jackedman is Wolverine. Anthony Hopkins is Hannibal Lecter. Sometimes an actor and a role are made for each other.
Facts his performance as Thanos is legendary.
What a great runthrough, I love this stuff
So are the fake scripts just a compilation of all the cut ideas?
Probably or very early drafts
I would looooove a writing partner but it's so hard to find a right fit like these guys clearly did.
In my opinion, Infinity War is the most cohesive movie than Endgame. I dont know why but I can watch more IW than Endgame.
Imo it is a couple of things, one in particular is the bad guy "wins", they weren't shy about ending on a sad note unlike most movies where the good guy prevails. Another is the pacing, for me, was perfect. Open with Thanos, beats up hulk, we go to earth, a little back story, and then boom we're in outer space and it just keeps going. Loved every second of IW
@@dadwithtourettesI feel the same way
i think endgame felt like it missed a few scenes when ant man returned and in the creation of time travel, perhaps the time of the movie cut it, but that section seemed to miss a few tiny beats. Script still was top notch, far better than justice league ever was with an hour less of script needed. If we have only nitpicks it deserves to be at the top of the box office.
Yeah I feel like IW was perfectly paced tbh but endgame wasn’t as good pacing wise but had amazing character interactions which is what mad it so good for me
Infinity War is a flawed but actually good and coherent movie, endgame is just bad
Thanks you guys for giving us so much! Forever grateful
What astounds me is the amount of attention the writers have gotten for this. Thats something you dont usually see with films. Most of the attention is usually on the directors or actors.
Love this! So inspiring. The movies were inspiring, this video is inspiring. Love hearing about the people behind the project; the passion is evident and comes through every scene and moment on screen.
this was actually pretty interesting tbh
"actually"? "tbh"? Your presumption was this to be boring or uninteresting?
@@commentcopbadge6665 well im not a die hard marvel fan i just clicked on this to kill some time but i liked it
Go watch DB
Marcus Rondo
What's "DB"?
This was such an interesting watch simply to see the writing process in action
I mean...wow! That was amazing and just makes me love and appreciate all the effort they put into this universe. I got chocked up as they were talking about getting chocked up and, maybe for the first time, began thinking about how each character felt seeing their best friend disintegrate into dust before their eyes.
Yes, time travel is incredibly messy but that doesn't change the fact that Mr. McFeely and Mr. Markus gave us a film series like no other. Something that's never been done before and likely won't ever be done again, not even by Marvel/Disney.
I’m really enjoying these behind the scenes videos
“How did you figure that out?”
“Google”
“Nooooo”
Not biased on/against MCU. I'm script writer plus film fanatic.
You guys nailed it with Avengers Endgame, like you guys nailed and paid off the past decade of MCU perfectly. Wasn't cheesy at all the call backs nothing was red conned even with the time travel everyone knew that's your only option/solution after infinity war. I and all like minded ppl agree, nothing ever will ever come close to being that perfect of cinema and joined storylines, the pay off to all of that, never again will that be achieved again, not even by marvel themselves
Fr bro.
12:44
That was exactly my thought. You wonderful bastards
Also I love that they have respect for Back to the Future. And they’re not stroking their egos with the time travel like they acknowledge that they didn’t wanna be patting themselves on the back. I’ve suddenly realised how much I respect these guys.
Thanos is the new generations Darth Vader. It's going to be a long time before we have such a powerful presence.
Completely agree, the best villain since Heath Ledger's Joker. Thanos is a villain who believes he is doing the greater good, doesn't lie and doesn't kill for the thrill but only when necessary. He has a wrapped sense of morality but he has a code and inspires loyalty in very powerful henchmen/henchwomen and most importantly he is 100% committed to a cause. He took it as an insult that the Avengers sought to undo what he was going to do. Basically saying, "they just don't get it. I have to do this." And on top of all that, he was extremely powerful. He was the best choice compared to Loki, Galactus, Dormamu, Magneto, Ego, Dr. Doom or any other Marvel villain. He will define what a great villain is for a generation.
Til October when Joker will be released.
@@Demystificator lol yeah most likely
Nah joker is
It's actually really satisfying that they didn't have the whole thing planned all along. It's cool that they had to wing it and come up with a creative way to save the day just like the heroes of the story did.
these guys are quite clever
infinite respect for these guys! so talented and humble.
So awesome!
Bring them back asap!
Phenomenal. Everything. Phenomenal
It was alright infinity war was 10 times better
OMG curse me for having an opinion that is wrong because it is not the same as yours
Diamond Are you sure it wasn't 9000 times better?
"It's not when people die that is emotional for the audience. It's the reaction of the people around them." I think in this very special case, seeing Iron Man pass was the emotional beat because he's been on the big screen and in our lives for so long.
In this case though, the people around them WERE the audience!