The Mystery of Perception During Near Death Experiences - Pim van Lommel
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- www.scienceandnonduality.com/
www.pimvanlommel.nl
PIM VAN LOMMEL, MD
Cardiologist/Author
In our prospective study of 344 patients who survived cardiac arrest we had to come to the surprising conclusion that all the reported elements of a Near-Death Experience (NDE) like an out-of-body perception, meeting with deceased relatives or a life review were experienced during a transient functional loss of the cortex and of the brainstem, with a flat line EEG. During their cardiac arrest people can have veridical perceptions from a position outside and above their lifeless body. NDE-ers have the feeling that they have apparently taken off their body like an old coat and to their surprise they appear to have retained their own identity with the possibility of perception, emotions, and a very clear consciousness. This out-of-body experience (OBE) is scientifically important because doctors, nurses, and relatives can verify the reported perceptions, and they can also corroborate the precise moment the NDE with OBE occurred during the period of CPR. This proves that an OBE cannot be a hallucination, because this means experiencing a perception that has no basis in "reality", like in psychosis, neither it can be a delusion, which is an incorrect assessment of a correct perception, nor an illusion, which means a misleading image. Moreover, one needs a functioning brain for experiencing hallucinations, delusions or illusions. Additionally, even people blind from birth have reported veridical perceptions during NDE and OBE. Based on several NDE-studies it seems inevitable to conclude that veridical perception is possible independently of brain function. In my lecture I will give several examples of veridical perceptions during NDE, and discuss the differences between seeing with the eyes during waking consciousness (who is seeing? what is seeing?) and perceiving during the period of a non-functioning brain ('apparent unconsciousness during clinical death').
For those of you who want to see more of this guys work he’s got a great book out called “consciousness beyond life”
We need more scientists with an open mind .
Agreed.
Amen!
+SunGazer osan I hope to go into neurology and help the cause
+Sam C good luck with that :D
^ dang i needed this thanks
I had an NDE at about 8 years of age. I traveled through complete darkness to the most wonderful experience I have ever had before or since. I traveled to a place of pure color and love. I was at one with other beings, yet maintained my individuality. I wanted to stay there forever. I was told I had to return to my physical life on Earth. I was also told that one day I would return to what I experienced as Heaven. I am now over 60 years of age. Although I often have dreams of flying and floating, which are fantastic, I have not had a repeat of the experience I had during my NDE. I wonder if my chronic severe pain or the pills I am prescribed for it keep me from being able to re-experience what I can only describe as Heaven. I do not fear death, but don't believe in rushing it. Anyone else have a similar experience, or know how to reach that state by will? Thank you. Peace.
The is still more for you to figure out and work on until you see your true nature.
+sparky9c22 I had an experience about 19 years ago, a "place of pure color and love" seems a good description of what is virtually impossible to describe. Mine was not related to a near death state. I don't know that you need to reach that state by will, seems you just remember it and your'e there, but we have to function in the world so one just keeps going day to day. Count yourself lucky I think, and plod on trying to do be as positive as you can. The only other option I can think of is to become a monk.
+Greg Thomas I wasn't cut out to be a monk! But I do know there are other life experiences than this one. Too many people get trapped by attraction to power and wealth, what I call the Devil's lures. Once one experiences real all-consuming Love, there just isn't anything better! Peace.
Me either.Cheers.
What a totally awesome NDE you had! Thank you for giving me this hope of a possibility of life after death, and a happy one at that!
Finally.....someone who made some sense about NDE's.......awesome speech.........thanks for posting.
'Our brain functions as interface or transceiver: receiver from information nonlocal consciousness
to the body, and sender of information from the senses and body to nonlocal consciousness'
I'm sure that we are on course for understanding the great mystery :-)
The best speach about NDE from medical point of view. Thank you Mr. Lommel!
If conciousness is not a product of the brain why brain damage affects our conciousness
It is becoming increasingly clear to more and more people that we are all part of a universal reality system that is fundamentally non-physical and "spirit based." We are repeatedly reborn into these highly constrained and challenging, physical-matter biological lives in order to grow, spiritually (develop our character and become more loving), most effectively. The details/circumstances in our lives are not what’s important; it is how we respond to and grow from them that matters. Cheers.
been saying this for years without a phd
lol.
This is the man that let me know I had an NDE when I had a pacemaker/ defibulator put in afterwards I went searching for what happened to me and I found Dr. Pim Van Lommel with the answers.
You might want to take a look at Robert Monroe books as well. Don't know how open you would be towards them though.
@@Tes73792 I m open towards anything that is truthful, there are many out there that just want to make money off NDE phenomenon and I usually can tell pretty quickly if that's the case, wether they are just trying to sell a book and take advantage of the interest in NDE'S they usually give away their motives pretty quickly.
They’re just powerful brain activity ! Why would they be anything else ? Keep in mind that the vast majority of people brought back from the brink of death remember nothing !
@@chirpywiggins5796 There are a number of problems w/ that explanation:
1.) NDEs aren't just about people seeing a tunnel, light and vivid imagery. If that were all they were, the materialistic presumptions about them would honestly be a lot more compelling. However *numerous* recollections recall incredibly specific details like time not existing, coming into full understanding of the universe, and approaching a 'barrier' (its particular form seeming to differ from person to person) that they understand there's no coming back from.
It's not scientific to simply hand wave away similarities like that from people who obvsly had no way of being in contact w/ each other. It has to be explained.
2.) There are genuinely baffling accounts of people who've had out-of-body experiences w/ their NDE, purportedly came back and described things that they couldn't possibly have known otherwise. Dr. Bruce Greyson has had personal encounters w/ some of these individuals and, despite trying to explain it through obvs and/or otherwise physical means, none of them seemed to pan out.
3.) Advances in physics itself is telling us that what we interpret as 'physical' reality itself is simply false, by which I mean it's not fundamental reality - and if space and even time itself aren't fundamental, then you take away the possibility that *any* objects within spacetime (like our physical brains) actually have any casual powers at all. To be clear, there *is* a source of causality (cause and effect) out there for our consciousness, but it simply cannot be the case that our 'physical' brains are that cause. Science itself seems to be telling us that.
What a great conclusion : Who is seeing ? (Who am I?). Not the eye and not the brain (Not this, not that ; Neti Neti)... he kept a very scientific line until the end, but ended with a nice nod to spirituality and Advaita.
“The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me ; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” Meister Eckhart
bollocks
asstornaut you sir are a complete and utter condescending nobrot fucktard pillac waste of fucking consciousness
Quite right. He led science right to its destination, through the NDE to non-duality. Just ignore the bar fight going on above.
I LOVE this doctor!
Great lecture...and MIGHTY compelling evidence...
Consciousness and the mind are what billions of people call SOUL! Atheistic Scientists are reluctant to name it Soul because they would be called religious! A body without a soul is dead. But the soul outlives the body! Science is on the verge of proving this belief. Keep up the good work Professor Lummel!
One of the clearest and most concise lectures I have heard on the subject. Thanks so much.
Dr. Pim van Lommel is an angel
The receiver interpretation of the brain is a first step in the right direction. However, from an idealistic point of view (e.g. Tom Campbell's VR model), brains and bodies are just "pixels" on a screen. It makes a lot more sense to consider our bodies and brains as mere representations of the constraints we are subject to when in "normal" waking consciousness. In this way, brains are not receiving anything, they are not a filter, but represent a filter (constraints in space-time, etc). (cont)
I haven't had an NDE but I have had an OBE during a sleep state, except it was more than a lucid dream. I remember flying over a big field at night time. I could feel all sensations. I was sort of in both worlds. The physical (as I remember the sensation of the bed I was lying on) and I was in another place - the field. I don't know why I was flying over the field. I do recall exactly which field it was as I used to walk past it on my way home from college. There were sheep and horses in the field during my experience and they ran away from me as I flew down towards them. It was NO dream. I then flew back into my body and "awoke" instantly. Mind blowing experience which I have longed for ever since. Hopefully my death experience will be similar.
Brilliant presentation
Thank you so much for studying and understanding us, I am one of them with NDE.
Hi! I would like to read your experience, greetings!
What did u see
This is truth. Change your lives to adapt to that truth.
i already have
Powerful stuff indeed,, and a highly credible person. Thanks so much for posting this, it has changed me a lot.
Spirituality is our final destination.
***** Exactly, but in order to cross that door, it will require thousands of years; until then, we will be between worlds and returning to this earth to help the others to come to the self knowledge; so reincarnation is the loving way that the Creator gives us to redeem ourselves; once we are completely pure, we will enter the final destination: The Spirituality and people's NDEs have shown me that.
+Watch n Wait NOT every soul is on this earth to suffer in misery, some are here in mission, others in expiation, atonement and if one soul suffers is because of his own mistakes made in previous life time and that can always be redeemed in the future. YES I have considered other way of redemption, but only reincarnation would be befitting with the Love of God, otherwise he wouldn't be all LOVE, he would send to hell the sinners without any redemption. The reason for the delaying in getting into the Kingdom of Heaven or Spirituality is because of " Free-will". God respects and waits for us to make a decision to move on, to leave the material world behind, to seek him and ourselves. Don't loose hope, even though things seem to be difficult right now, spiritually God is dealing with our redemption through our hard-times on this planet. We have chosen our own earthly life before being born here and the forgetfulness of previous life times is necessary for a short period of timing so that we wouldn't jeopardize our present reincarnation. We are not alone, we are being supported by enlightened spirits who love us and want us to evolve spiritually. Much Peace to you.
rodney carvalho The redemption is through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Not through Karma and reencarnation. The Bible says that the payment for sin is death. After we die we are redeemed. Since Adam, the payment for sin is death.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."(Romans 6:23)
God said that if Adam eat the fruit, the punishment would be death. He would be imperfect, making more sins, but the death would be the payment for the original sin. The word Geena(The word that the word "Hell" is translated from) means destruction, death, not hell of fire. It was the name of a literal place there where people put trash to burn, be destroyed. God forgives our sin(Inherited from Adam), through the sacrifice of Jesus. So we don't need to die to pay for the sin. We sin because we are imperfect, the result of Adam's sin. But we have the free-will and some may not want to subject to God and be saved by Him and His son...
I had an exsperience during an induced coma
I had sepsis and all my organs were failing
My exsperience was a girl with the most beautiful blue dress on probably about 6 yrs old
Holding my hand and fliating
It was like i was above all my family at a party a buffett
The sky was so blue
I remember starting to look down n everyone was smiling snd i was rising still with this little girl holding my hand
Massive marquette party
Think it was my family below
Happy
No 1 was sad i was happy no pain just joy
I dont remeber seeing loved 1s that had passed
I just remember sirenity
Bright vibrsnt coliurs
Calm
Fliwer smells n colours
N thats it
I dnt remember anymore
Ive always wanted to say something
But was frightened if looking like a freak
👏🏻 excellent talk.
Mind blowing stuff, love this topic, great vid. Ty :)
Excellent!! Brilliant!! Thank You!!
excelenta prezentare. am experimentat si eu NDE la 17ani.felicitari din Romania.
Fantastic!
All my respect for this amazing man.Very courageous to speak for nde's being a scientist.🤗👍❤
Excellent video, a must watch scientific and spiritual communities
ඉතාම වැදගත් අගයකලයුතු දේශන යක් very great appreciable lecturer
A great scientists
Good reportation
How can someone who has been blind from birth suddenly make sense of 'vision' to the degree that she can identify her wedding ring? If she were to have had her vision restored physically, it would have taken her brain a protracted period of time to begin to make sense of the new kind of sensory input. My mind is boggling!
Because your brain just does that......senses. We are extremely limited by the EM spectrum and can only see light with optics.
it never happened...its nonsense
For that matter how can we perceive at all?How can we have dreams that make no sense in terms of our every day experience. Sadly we have become completely brainwashed by Wundtian/Skinnerian stimulus response theory which never goes deeper than the most superficial level of reality. It is understandable that you would raise the questions you do in terms of this kind of education. But if you would take the time to meditate you would come to see things differently. You will come to see that we are not the body or the brain.This is not only worthwhile it is THE most worthwhile thing you can do and I speak from experience. Take care.
headlessbluesman Nonsense because you don't want to consider different possibilities or nonsense because its untrue? Hopefully you will experience these things as countless others have experienced. And then you too will face the kind of ridicule that you are dishing out now which causes unnecessary pain. Or hopefully before you do you will have learnt to let others, rather than yourself, have the last word on THEIR own experience. Oh the bigotry of this little world which could be such a beautiful place.
You missed the point of the entire presentation, it's not the brain that perceived. Watch the ending again. He explains that NDE's occur while the brain IS NOT FUNCTIONING. She is not "seeing" her ring. She is Perceiving it. This is a different kind of "vision", it's the perception that occurs without using senses. I know from experience that this senseless perception is more of a Knowing, you see everything because you, in a way, are everything.
Love this guy
Great lecturer, sounds like he grew up in same town as Max Von Sydow
That was quite interesting.
“Neither the control of desire Nor the emotional abandonment Concerns me any more.**
“‘Where no ‘no’ and no ‘yes’, no good and no evil exists
That still is within the reach of human idea;
But where that Beauty is, that we dote upon,
No sight can reach there.’
Shah Abdul Latif
don't they have anything newer to put on today's TH-cam videos, I'd love to hear what new information that this man has to say, this Dr. is the one that actually verified my NDE when I had a pacemaker/defibrillator put in in 2015 I'd love to hear something new from him if there is anything?
Thanks... One must not ever make a thought a "concrete" item to hold on to, because life is mysterious, and like a kaleidoscope, changes with every "movement"... It is good to accept that each of us has our very own, unique vision and that each individual may be compartmentalized, but each truly believes themselves... "agree to disagree" if we can't reconcile our differences... whatever they may be... we must also LEARN each day, and not only TEACH what appears to be fact at the time... :-}
Your findings, please!
this just brings up so many questions! so according to this our brain would be an antenna of some sort...
Not according to this , this is the reality . It indeed is a transceiver.
***** my brother only has three to four months left to live, i am so afraid for him, you say you have had an NDE, was it nice should he afraid should i be worried about him. will he be ok, i am so scared, thank you if you can take the time to answer me.
thank you so much
Yes it is a receiver. We are even able to think without brains. Read Jozef Rulof or look at the wonderful website www.rulof.org
The brain is an interface unit between body and consciousness. Consciousness programs the brain. I would be most happy to participate in consciousness studies. When one's thoughts have ended in stillness the brain still functions.
its wonderful
Subbed...great share thank you _()_
We RESPECT to the open-minded scientists who are doing investigations.
Neurosurgeon Eban Alexander wrote about his own NDE whereby was met in the afterlife by his dead sister whom he'd never met nor seen a photograph of until after his experience. He was adopted and didn't try to find his birth family until after the NDE.
Close your eyes press firmly on them what do you see ?
What about people who have a head injury and are unconscious and and are giving a glimpse of the light and all of the feelings
THANK YOU SO MUCH for helping souls to awaken.....soon ALL will know and we will be able to live our true nature!!!
Scientists must be open minded and they must be the PEOPLE who like to do more surveys
The thing with neurological (electric or chemical) alteration is that the perception of time changes as well. Just like time changes when you experience pain or pleasure. People who tried various drugs and combinations in some cases report to have felt trapped for weeks in just half an hour of time spent in reality. So that makes me wonder, what if their NDE is just a slowed down time experience during the period there still was electric activity in the brain? Enough for there to be a good overlap with the 'reality' period of the clinical death? Or perhaps even much longer than that?
How could their perceptions be veridical, then, during the time of death? The overlap is temporal impossibility. You can't experience and not experience at the same time. Though, I admit I've thought about it the same way before. This is the conclusion I have.
existing is terrifying
Its a path breaking Idea and more research will one day unravel the mystery of mind ,for that matter the mystery of life itself
I would love to understand how telepathy works. My second husband and I know exactly what we are both thinking. If I need something he automatically knows and it freaks me out. It never fails and we don't do it intentionally.
+Letitia Kearney I can get you some way to check it:
1st note out every pattern you might have during your routine behavior (what you eat, take, do as routine task, time when you usually feel thristy, hungry etc.) - do NOT show your husband nor tell him what you are doing. NOte also the days where you do this task in such sequence (Also the season, summer and winter influence differently your routines).
2nd do the same for your husband behaviors, be quite an observer and dont le thim notice.
3rd do it for an extensive period of time, at least 2 weeks but more might be better, and see if there is a pattern association with what look like thelepathy.
4th hide your notes well, forget about it for a period of time of at least 1 month (more could be better, set up a reminder for it).
5th 2 weeks earlier than the review (when yiu set the reminder) observe and note every behavior and "thelepatic event"
6th check your findings with the notes and see if they match the previous patterns.
If they always match it might be just a very deep connection between your two, meaning he is a good observer and ready to be there for you.
If there is no pattern but a lot of strange events, could be something else (or you forgot to note something, so be methodic in noting to reinforce your results).
It is not a exactly a peer review research, but could give you some clue if it is telepathy or you just love each other so much that you can anticipate your needs.
Good luck.
+Marco Fogli it goes a lot deeper than the everyday things I mentioned. Somethings are too personal to put on a public forum. I know we're you are coming from but it goes way deeper than that.
Letitia Kearney
Do not put it on a public forum, do it for yourself.
Is the only method we have to understand if it is just the case or there is some other factor.
Be aware however, it takes a lot of discipline to avoid bias.
Goid job !Good Display of facts ! Sadly nowadays , scientists are blinded by their arrogance and ego, instead of staying open minded ! the purpose of science in the first place is to search and research ,
I'd like to hear him debate Susan Blackmore
very eye opining...Who really is seaing ....Makes me feel good to know im watching my self in my own body almost like a video game
Sad is 'the mind' of some people who 'still believe' there is nothing but theirselves... and often that is very little... i m not 'religious' but spiritual (yup , u donno the diffrence althoug its huge) its never to comfort (not in my case) if some do, let them... because, where u are now, u arent open for anything at all. that's science sometimes indeed. open for nothing but theirselves.
SPIRITUALITY IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH
What about the most famous book on NDE "Proof of Heaven" by Eben Alexander? It is also one of the most shocking and mystifying account of NDE.
+Jack Jameson The book is very well written. It is captivating, and will hold your attention throughout. As for how compelling the argument for heaven is, there has been few controversies. But keep in mind that there are controversies for every thing these days.
I personally didn't see any evidence for the "heaven" that we generally speak of. But I don't think the author is talking about the word "heaven" in its popular sense, as in "heaven and hell". I think he was just saying that there can be more than what we see physically, and that there is soul, afterlife, and all that. And the fact that it is all coming from a neurosurgeon makes it much more interesting to read. I mean, the athiest who has studied brain all his life now saying all these things certainly make a very strong case for his book. you gotta admit that whatever he went through in that hospital was not something ordinary.
What I found interesting was the "state of mind" of Dr Alexander when there was no mind to be in any state at all.
And the last chapter has something so HUGE, so freakin unbelievable that it would be hard to not to see it as dubious. There has been many arguments made, for and against, and one should read it with a grain of salt.
Personally, I enjoyed it.
Cheers.
We did cardiopulmonary resuscitation in 1964 when I was a student nurse in London uk. So you 1967 figure is incorrect.
Please read The Upanishads an ancient text of India ..1000 of years old.The Upanishad took a turn unparalleled in the history of science it focused on the mind.
I like your comment. I think it's powreful, and a demonstration of maturity and a peaceful mind when people can disagree, and not succumb to silly insults. Im a christian.. love Jesus but I can't stand snobbery of any kind.. religous or otherwise. be kind.. good rule of thumb. you might like Ian McCormick's story . it's on youtube. guy died of jellyfish stings, tells a great story of what he saw..
A revolution in science. God's saying it's time for my children to know me.
At 29:57, how did she see his picture? Was she no longer blind after the NDE?
Martin Lutaaya Blind people can draw, and only 15% of blind people are NLP (no light perception). John Bramblitt is a blind artist.
:-} Sent you a note... :-}
SPIRITUALITY IS THE TRUTH
This isn't exactly an NDE but I think it's some how similar...We have a family friend who died juring a heart attack while working, his family and friends were all notified except for his 5 year old grandson who was sleeping at that time, when his grandson woke up (before anyone could tell him what happened) he said that he saw his grandpa in his dreams saying goodbye while going up a staircase to the clouds/heaven and at the top of the stairs were two women who presented themselves as his great grandmother (his grandfather's mother) and his great great grandmother (his grandfather's grandmother). His family never spoke to him about them so he didn't have any prior knowledge about his ancestors (to him the oldest ancestor he knows is his grandpa)...at first they didn't want to believe him but the kid started saying his great grandmother's and great great grandmother's names, he even said that his great great grandmother had a prominent mole on her face and that's when they believed him.
this video debunks athiesm
The mind seems to be in the breath of out thoughts, not from the brain. The brain seems to be a catalog of files that the mind uses for familiarity as we relates to our physical world.
This scientist sounds very professional and knowledgeable along with others that I have some credence, and respect towards ,......he says a lot of things that make think. I realize that the real accurate truth of all these Issues ,...will probably never be known completely,...they will get very close to it,..but that's about it. Being the skeptic that I am , their rhetoric and explanations do make some sense,..but...the real truth:.... we will find out when we die,...and ....when The Holy Father in Heaven wills us to know.
i hope theres an after life but what im hearing is that only a certain few experience a NDE what happens to the others so my question is, is it only a selected few that pass to the after life and the others just cease to exist in which they dont go to the other side ?
kirk whitfield Sam Parnia suggested that those who didn’t experience an NDE could have not been able to remember it because of the anesthesia
Dr. van Lommel ruled out that hypoxia causes NDEs because if that was the case, all people with cardiac arrest would experience an NDE. Wouldn't that point be refuted if it's possible that actually all had an NDE (but only few remember it)?
Need more explanation regarding NDE of blind lady...she saw her biological father during NDE , but not recognized and later her mother showed photo of her father..how come it's possible her to see the photo..did she got her vision after NDE?
From the mid. 70's (Thank you Mr. Moody.) Both patience and MD's have both been exempt from coming forward to share these experiences because of the fear of being ridiculed/shamed by Family, Doctors, Society and "Religion!" Now the times are changing. Patience, Doctors and Society are now realizing this is and always has been a fact of consciousness at the point of death...of the body. NOW people are going to be seen as IGNORANT and CLOSED MINDED to this reality that...We Don't Die!
Don't research and look into the science and data of NDE's and you will be Ridiculed/Shamed for NOT seeing the most obvious all along...Life After Death! Then there's Religion... "Baby steps Elli, Baby steps."
yeps.. oh that's cool! there 's a woman named Brenda Holder who also had a beautiful nde.. she lives in S Africa. her story on youtube. I listened to stories after a profoundly beautiful dream of JEsus and heaven, and couldn't stop hearing. I will look up your story.
why does God not always communicate this love to us?
Maybe God does. A lot of people don't try to seek God until there is trouble in life and then forget God when things are well.
I would love to give this guy a big hug; I have a story to tell and no one believes me. I "know" God exist as he proved himself to me in a way you have to see to believe!
(I was an atheist who believed in science only)!
Yes, I can show someone willing to take the time and put aside everything they think they know!
God has a big surprise coming to the world and the simplest way to explain what he showed me is to say... "There really is a Santa Claus and he's coming to town"! :)
Well Chris you can be sure many would like to hear. In your own time tell us your story.
David Watermeyer I'll be glad to when my sanity is no longer in question... That being said, you don't have long to wait! :)
ChrisT Kringel Sure Chris! You're probably the sanest guy in town.
David Watermeyer
Thanks, but my real name is Susan!
I picked Chris Kringel (Santa Claus) because if I were to simply explain all I could it would be to say there really is a Santa Claus and he's coming to town; "so much more spectacular than any religion comes close to, but no one will be disappointed nor has anything to fear"!
Forget that finger pointing judgment crap, it is not true! "BE EXCITED"! :)
Oh, Chris T, is an additional play on words... Christ. ;)
So where are you from Dave?
ChrisT Kringel Hello Susan! Born and brought up in Cape Town South Africa and now living for some 10 years in South Korea where I teach at a University here. You could say I am obsessed about wanting to know about the nature of Reality. At last I feel I am making a breakthrough and its like its been said. Now matter how terrible and tragic things appear on the surface , at a deeper level all is utterly wonderful beyond all imagining. How about you? Where are you from?
If this is all true, then doesn’t this make embodied brains that are embedded in an environment redundant? Is there any sense in saying you can have the functionality of what the heart or the liver, the lungs, etc. do in the absence of hearts, livers and lungs?
This question occurred to me too. Grounds for endless speculation about what purpose embodied life serves if any.
*****
People who are born without limbs don't get phantom pain.
@@LikeItDeep My thinking , which changes as it should through the course of my life..
Im 52, lost my mom when she was only 44..I was devisted ...
So, fast 4ward 30 years.. My dad passes over & Im getting endless wonderful signs, as are many..
I am open to anything but doesn't mean i believe it)
I believe in a God, a higher ? I am spiritual not a follower of religion,
The Christians being the harshest in my opinion, believe in JC, or the entire human race going to hell.
OK..
Obviously hard for all of us 2 fig out the purpose of this...Im guessing so we can get to wherever, or whatever our so called heaven is?
So, Im getting these wonderful signs fr my farher , thats telling me 2 things, Im ok, well, 3 , he remembers his physical life here , and this is not all there is...
I have no idea why we r put through this but im hearing fr all the NDE, & Now my research on lioved ones communicating fr the other side its all about love, energy, etc..Im guessing to get wherever my dad is, whatever ut is, realm, diff plane, im here to work on being kinder, etc...
Its all kind of tied in , even from people who follow religions...
Same principle be a good person
If not for my dad, and rhe NDE, i wouldnt have the peace about dying .
In Bhagwad Gita of Hinduism, Lord Sri Krishna told Arjuna that its only the Body that dies but the Soul (Consciousness) never dies. He also advised Arjuna to focus on Karma and not to fall on artificial pleasure of this temporary human life.
The ancient Egyptians believe this too, they believe the materialists can cause you to get stuck here by drawing you back
What kind of comment is that?? Dr. Van Lommel studies are invaluable and extremely important. His research has nothing to do with what I commented on. One thing is the experimental results and another entirely different thing is coming up with a theory which can explain these anomalous results. I merely expressed my opinion that Tom Campbell's model explains these anomalous results from an idealistic point of view, in a very elegant way. This has nothing to do with me, even less a podium...
We are surprised by the experiences of those who have had NDE’s but we are okay that we are alive in our bodies and live on a wet round rock floating around a huge ball of fire inside of an infinite universe and we are able to think and dream and feel the experience of love inside of us, but which no surgeon or physicist can seem to find or even agree on a definitive definition or description, just like consciousness. Call me simple but I’m amazed at all of life that we have and live here on earth in this mysterious universe and I don’t need any paranormal experience to understand the joy of a cheeseburger and fries. I think the secret to life is right in front of our eyes but somehow we just don’t see it. The birth of a human life is nothing short of a miracle and when we open our eyes, I think we will see that we are the greatest power in all the entire universe. Am I wrong ?
I have been drowned as well long story... . not sure if any one wants to read it so... .
go for it
It's being 6years
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The brain to is nothing but consciousness, not separate thing out there being manipulated by it, its either in you`re "head", in consciousness, or its nowhere.
Now we have NDE, reincarnation or rebirth, mediation that reshape the brain and some knowledge of consciousness. I don't know if in the future, will we have the ability to use each jig-saw puzzle to form a complete full picture of how the universe works and what it means to us humankind ?
in arabic its called karamat which means blessings from god to special people
Ali i'm irish and i apologise on behalf of the west for what Britain and America has done on your people we had it for years the hatred of the world as Irishmen now you have it as muslims keep strong and allah (GOD) will bless you machara lol
oh please not that bullshit.
I had an NDE in the operating theatre in November 2005 plus the butcher surgeon and anaesthetists gave me lots of very serious physical injuries. I 'died' because I couldn't breathe: I was paralysed by their so-caled 'muscle relaxants which they hadn't even had the courtesy to tell me they would use nor warn me this can and does happen = their medical (tribe) secret.
Afterwards they all denied this had happened to me and I was treated as though I was imagining I was injured because the hospital, docs and myGP all believed the anaesthetists' lies instead of my truth. This psychological trauma was FAR worse than the terrible overwhelming fear while suffocating and unable to save myself.
I've only watched a few minutes of this and maybe I should have waited it out (but SO long - and they damaged my brain too while they were experimenting on me/using my body for training students but without the boss/consultant present) but I'm really sick of people questioning so wrong: obviously the brain takes a long time to die and stop functioning completely, derr: why do all docs 'forget' (or never knew?) this?
The brain/body diverts all resources to the brain asa last resort when dying so obviously the brain functions long after organs and breathing have shut down. The billions of neurones in the brain aren't alive one minute then all dead the next: some survive longer than others and I think (but may be wrong?) that the most central areas of the brain live the longest (closest to largest oxygen-carring arteries), peripheral areas die off first so what's left? Our most ancient and basic parts of brain live longest, they are better protected.
And obviously current methods for determining brain death aren't up to scratch, they don't count/measure the right things. How many people are actually partly conscious when organs are harvested? In the not-too-distant future (should have been already but doctors always think they know best about it all when they very often don't) we will have far more sophisticated ways of measuring consciousness but until then: think of the bleedin' obvious and assume not EVERY part of the brain is 'dead' - as it's called within a few minutes - it obviously is NOT the case.
If people are alive after resus then derr: their brain wasn't dead! Why am I even having to write this?
But my out of body experience 'up on the wall where the clock should be'? There are loads of explanations, some of which may carry weight but in my case the one I read saying it's seeing our own reflection in op theatre lights doesn't wash: they/it FAR too bright and further away, I've read (but can't remember exactly) other more convincing explanations which perhaps add to our understanding = at present VERY child-like and basic because docs et al were (many still are) in DENIAL this even occurs.
When we report suffocation during anaesthesia/in op theatre we must be BELIEVEDplus our PHYSICAL injuries must never EVER be fobbed off as 'psychological', please let my case of this be the VERY LAST: NEVER AGAIN.
hehe this thread is making me giggle. people are funny. an.. perfect love casts out fear.. so just stick to love, an u won't be terrified. God loves you.
Those peaky blinders
What if you see the biggest white light you can imagine.................look at it.....be consciousness of your body movements..........hear the ambulance sirens................and not be able to speak............until a hand on your shoulder touches you? Then you open your eyes........you look at the person that touched you.......ask if your body was going to a tremor moment that you felt when you had your eyes closed looking at the white light and start asking question about your body behavior for the moment that you were gone? Where does this fit in your scientific world? Where does this fit as I tried to figure it out listening to your speeches and lectures, your good friend Eben Alexander's explanations some of Raymond Moody, Sam Harris and the nothingness of L. Krauss's explanations. Let's not speak of mister Daniel Dennett's explanations. Not even the old Friend Einstein could explain it. Please try to help if you can.This was when I had a heart infarct. Brain understood all, ears heard all around me, the elephant was on my chest, the light was the brightest white ever, the chair I was sitting on............start dancing trough the room. I felt it, heard it all but only my shoulder was touched that's when I came back and asked questions. In my religion they say when people cross over.......you should not speak so you can let them go. When you speak you bring them back. What must I think? That by hearing voice of the person next to me brought my soul back? This sounds more like mister Alexander's story where his son Bond brought him back. Does't it?
Intelligo ut credam.
What accent is this? Just curious!
Dutch
Patric Van De Pol Thanks. I don't know why but it is pleasing to ears...also because it is coming from a scientist.
***** It is not just 'Dutch', it is an 'Upper class Dutch' accent. There are different accents within the Netherlands.
Upper class, middle class, lower class. Who cares? It is a Dutch accent.
Patric Van De Pol
well...if you don't care why would you take the time to respond?
Brains do not create consciousness; consciousness creates brains as dramatically simplified icons for a realm far more complex, a realm of interacting conscious agents. When, for instance, we stimulate primary visual cortex and see phosphenes, the cortex does not cause the phosphenes. Instead, certain interactions between conscious agents cause the phosphenes, and these interactions we represent, in greatly simplified icons, as electrodes stimulating brains. ~ Dr. Donald Hoffman
huh?
Consciousness obviously does not create the brain. NDE pretty much states that consciousness mind soul can leave the body brain. It doesn't states that consciousness creates anything, on the contrary.
The brain and matter is pretty much independent of consciousness, It is evidential
It is a mystery and a big question. How an NDE can result with a non functioning brain. How do nuerologists explain this?
The afterlife
Do we live in a simulation where an NDE is step out of it?
Not to mention their funding ...
1 Vraag: "Is bekend waardoor mensen - onder dezelfde omstandigheden - niet allemaal een BDE kennen/hebben?"
i REALLY WISH NO ONE WAS SEEING HELL
People have
I have been an atheist forever I have been studying NDE for a couple of weeks now including scientific studies and this has led my to also try to understand some aspects of quantum mechanics. I think....No l truly now believe in God
My friends who have known me a long lime as a atheist evangelist will be very surprised indeed:)
link to University of Virginia - academic publications to further your NDE studies.
med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/publications/academic-publications/?wpv-category%5B%5D=near-death-experiences&2author-names%5B%5D=&date-of-publication%5B%5D=
A very small percentage have memories of the NDE. That's because they didn't really die. Clinical death leads to definitive - brain death. After brain death, no one will be denied this experience!
How can a woman born in 1951 have a dad killed under the ww2? Edit. Maybe she was born in 1941 and not 51...
don't be so fast to judge Scientists. sadly, Reductive Materialism is the mainstream view in the Science fields because it is what is quantifiable and actually testable. maybe in some future year Science will find a way to go past it, but don't give them a hard time. Sure, some scientists ARE more concerned about their paycheck and prestige, but there ARE Scientists out there who are trying their best.