It baffles me why it's so hard for some people to understand the concept of time travel in the MCU Basically, you can change the past however you want, it won't affect the future, because by changing things in the past, you just created a separate timeline. For example: If you kill yourself in the past, you created a timeline where you are dead, but it isn't the main timeline that you came from anymore, so you'll still live. When you think about it, the MCU's time travel rules are revolutionary, we don't have to think about paradoxes anymore for the first time ever. Edit: The only thing that doesn't add up is how Steve Rogers grew old in the same timeline, but that's the writer's fault for not thinking it through, I still like this concept of time travel.
It all comes down to the idea of traveling through time (chronollogy) vs time traveling through you (age). Typically they advance at the same rate, so if we plot those variables it will be a line with a constant positive slope. With time travel, an object's individual timeline can be discontinuous, go up or down the y-axis of time, while their x-axis (age) moves normally. That's how they avoid paradoxes.
But didn't the Ancient One warned Bruce in New York about changing the past damages the reality, especially if you take the stones on a different timeline.
But Captain America ended up in the original timeline...even though, according to this time travel logic, going back and marrying Peggy would create a different timeline.
HISHE had a good point. Gamora from other reality is in MCU reality right now. So by that logic you could bring Natasha, Steve, Tony from other realities and nothing would’ve changed. All they had to put back is the stones
those situations literally would've worked...going back in time and bringing something back to your time *does not* affect your time, it only fucks over the time you went back to but your time is untouched.
Well honestly, I dont think that Steve would know about a bunch if historical things that happened. I do think he would've known about 9/11, but he went under ice in like 1943 and came back around 2011. I don't expect SHIELD would have filled in Cap on American history up to 70 years.
i gues you didn't understand how time travel worked in the movie if you change sometihing in the past it doesn't change your future but it creates another reality
@surfitlive so why did the snap still happen even though 2014 thanos died and why is 2023 nebula still alive if she killed her 2014 self and how did the snap happen if nat and clint took the soul stone in 2014 and after all hulk literaly sais changing your past does't change your future if you travel to the past then that past becomes your future and your former present becomes the past which can't now be changed by your new future also taking a stone out of it's place in time makes an alternate reality not just because they are stones the ancient one sais dark forces will be unleashed in their reality if the ston doesn't come back because she won't ve able to use the stone to defeat those forces like she did before also if you timetravel and change something and if you go back to your time nothing will be changed you just created an alternate reality in that moment you change something for example 2014 thanos dies so now there is a reality that we saw in endgame and a reality where he died and the snap never happened
Here was my idea, the avengers go back in time right before thanos destroyed the stones (instead of going to different times at different locations) gangbang and kill him, take the infinity guantlet, go forward to 2023, snap everyone back, and put the infinity guantlet back at thanos farm in 2019 for the past avengers to find, they also snap and it will create two timeline s where they both win
Wow been awhile sense i watched an Akasan video, he looks DIFFERANT without the beard. Also most of the history Cap and Peggy would have been apart of were things he was frozen during and had to learn about way later.
I think it's revolutionary. Usually time travel rules create unsolvable paradoxes, this version of time travel actually works without leaving any unsolved questions
Besides time travel is just a concept, it hasn't been achieved in reall life so we wouldnt know how it actual impacts everything or how it would work. So theres no right or wrong versions of time travel
Nebula murdered her past-self, and Gamora was taken to the future BEFORE she ever met the other Guardians of the Galaxy. How DOES time travel work? LOL
its a single timeline so long as nothing significant changes, if something does then there is a new time line, one where the event plays out normally and one where its changed. So if you go back with the stones to literally 5 seconds after they are removed then there is no change to that timeline and no new one is made. If you take someone from that timeline to your future then now there is a new timeline in which they aren't there but yours doesn't change.
@@In-The-Zone I understand what you are trying to explain. However, your reasoning does not match the actual narrative of the film. The movie establishes that there is one singular timestream. As long as all the stones are placed back exactly when they were taken, then the singular timestream would remain. Captain America isn't the kind of guy to half-ass a mission, especially something that would affect the entire universe. He would place the stones exactly where and when they'd need to be returned. Therefore, what happened with past-Nebula and past-Gamera doesn't work based on the rules of a singular timeline. Of course, that is just one of the many problems that "Avengers: Endgame" presents. The Ancient One also mentioned that all of the Infinity Stones are responsible for the balance of the timeline and existence, not just the Time Stone. That means when Thanos destroyed all of the Stones, it should have either completely disrupted or destroyed the universe. (It even muddles up Scarlett Witch's brief destruction of the Mind Stone in the previous movie.) I mentioned Captain America being precise. However, the filmmakers still screwed up the ending. When Captain America took back the Stones, they were all inside a briefcase. The Mind Stone was inside Loki's scepter when it was taken, but Capt didn't have the scepter when he started his time return mission. Of course, we can claim that he went back to the present to retrieve the scepter off-screen at some point. I'm just saying that it was still an error. Who knows what was going on with Loki escaping with the Tesseract. LOL I love the movie overall. I happily watched it three times. I look forward to purchasing it on blu-ray. But the whole "That's not how time travel works" was just a flimsy excuse for the filmmakers to have their cake and eat it too. What really pissed me off was that they disrespected Back to the Future even though they used major plot points from Back to the Future. That is unforgivable. I can't go for that. No. No. No can do.
@@HighHeelKnight Since Cap went back with the stone that would be taken in the first place, he can give the stone version to the avengers there to collect them first, so no need to take the scepter, just hand the stone to that cap, and so on. Also I think the fact that Thanos reversing time right away is why things don't freak out when the mind stone is destroyed since it was just 1. As for Thanos destroying them, he does specifically state he reduced them to atoms so in essence they are still there. Same might even apply for scarlet witch breaking the mind stone honestly. Breaking vs removing from the universe/existence are very different after all. I don't think there is an issue with the time travel tho, I only saw it once, and if you take it to mean that the mcu we've been watching wasn't in fact the "prime" timeline it all works...i think.
@@HighHeelKnight How did they disrespect "Back to the future"? I don't think you quite understand how the MCU time travel works, it's the same as the Dragon Ball franchise, if you travel to the past it doesn't change the present timeline(the main one), the timeline you traveled to will just become a separate reality. And Cap doesn't need the mind stone to be in the scepter when he returned it to the other timeline, they just need it to return it so that timeline's avengers can use it to fight beings like Dormammu, etc. "The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one of the stones, and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much. In this new branch reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be overrun, millions would suffer." ―Ancient One
@@earthisnotflat7557 Hello Xigv, A = How was Back to the Future disrespected? First there was Tony Stark's initial dismissal of Ant-Man's time heist idea. "Are you telling me that your plan to save the universe is based on Back to the Future?" That was said to make Ant-Man feel stupid and foolish. But Tony Stark is a bit of a pompous jerk to everyone, so I could let that slide. The real kick is when Hulk and Nebula dismiss all time travel mythology with their "That's not how time travel works" statement. I don't know the exact words of the scene but the conversation when something like... Hulk = I don't understand where people get those ideas. War Machine = Terminator. Timecop. The Time Machine. Bill & Ted. A Wrinkle in Time. Time After Time. Basically any movie that deals with time travel. Hulk = Well they're all wrong. Ant-Man = So Back to the Future is a bunch of bullshit? RIGHT THERE! BLATANT DISRESPECT! The movie not only disrespected Back to the Future but also trashed pretty much every major time travel tale that has been told. Then Endgame had the nerve to use two major plot points from Back to the Future, and I nearly hopped out of my seat angry! B = Of course, Captain America needs Loki's scepter. He is supposed to return the Infinity Stones to their correct times AND PLACES!! Plus the Mind Stone is one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe. Do you think he's going to leave the it on the floor or toss it into a garbage can or bury a few feet deep in a random forest? (I'm looking at you, Justice League film.) The Mind Stone was revealed in Age of Ultron when Ultron removed it from Loki's scepter. There was also the fact that Hyrda used the power of Loki's scepter to empower Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch. The Mind Stone had to be put into Loki scepter or else it would screw up a whole bunch of history. C = Thank you for providing the quote by the Ancient One. I acknowledge that she said, "your reality, but my new one...new branch reality." I'll also acknowledge that the Doctor Strange solo movie officially introduced the concept of a Marvel multiverse. However, you have to acknowledge what Dr Banner said to counter the Ancient One's concern. He clearly demonstrated that if the Stones are put back into their proper time points, then a SINGULAR reality will be maintained. Banner's demonstration was used to emphasize the narrative of the movie more than the science of the movie. As a lover of the Back to the Future franchise, I can be the first to acknowledge that the films failed to stick their landings with their time travel activities. However, the narrative of the franchise is that any alteration of the past can change the future. While the science and mechanics of the movies are not perfect, the narrative did it's best to be consistent that Marty and Doc Brown are bound to a primary singular timeline. The same primary singular timeline was what the narrative of Avengers: Endgame is about. The narrative was not that the Avengers traveled through a multiverse to get the Stones. The narrative was that the Avengers went to different points in a singular timeline to the Stones. They did a time heist, not a multiverse heist or an alternate dimensions heist or a parallel worlds heist. It was a time heist. One Primary Singular Timeline!
Changing the past creates a new timelines. If they took Black Widow from the past into their present, they left a timeline where Black Widow doesn't exist anymore, that would be incredibly selfish of them.
@@diegopansini3152 by that thinking apparently didn't cap do that? And by the structure of a multiverse theory, anything that can happen will happen, doesn't that mean that they could go to a dimension/timeline/universe where Tony and/or Natasha's the only avenger/human left and would want to go with them, the same way cap was fine being with apparently another version of Peggy?
@@Dagenspear Tbh, that's the only thing that doesn't make any sense. Cap changed the past in so many ways, he should not be able to grow old in the same timeline
It baffles me why it's so hard for some people to understand the concept of time travel in the MCU
Basically, you can change the past however you want, it won't affect the future, because by changing things in the past, you just created a separate timeline.
For example: If you kill yourself in the past, you created a timeline where you are dead, but it isn't the main timeline that you came from anymore, so you'll still live.
When you think about it, the MCU's time travel rules are revolutionary, we don't have to think about paradoxes anymore for the first time ever.
Edit: The only thing that doesn't add up is how Steve Rogers grew old in the same timeline, but that's the writer's fault for not thinking it through, I still like this concept of time travel.
It all comes down to the idea of traveling through time (chronollogy) vs time traveling through you (age). Typically they advance at the same rate, so if we plot those variables it will be a line with a constant positive slope. With time travel, an object's individual timeline can be discontinuous, go up or down the y-axis of time, while their x-axis (age) moves normally. That's how they avoid paradoxes.
But didn't the Ancient One warned Bruce in New York about changing the past damages the reality, especially if you take the stones on a different timeline.
@@memecliparchives2254 it would fuck up the timeline where the stone was stolen, that's why cap go back to put the stones back
But Captain America ended up in the original timeline...even though, according to this time travel logic, going back and marrying Peggy would create a different timeline.
@@s.l.thecoffeeaddict1657 he probably just came back using the time travel device after Peggy die in the other timeline
HISHE had a good point. Gamora from other reality is in MCU reality right now. So by that logic you could bring Natasha, Steve, Tony from other realities and nothing would’ve changed. All they had to put back is the stones
When I watch others do reacting videos all they do is laugh and not say anything. I like your video because you actually Commentate on it.
Nebula: *very calmly*oh no I'm being captured
1:00 They’ve always done that for mcu films
There's a similar video by Cartoon Hooligans and I died laughing at the end of that one😂
Hishe came long before cartoon hooligans was born
@@lesedilebeko6436 no shit
Late to this reaction, but love your shirt! “Because I’m Batman!” is the answer for everything 👍🏻
those situations literally would've worked...going back in time and bringing something back to your time *does not* affect your time, it only fucks over the time you went back to but your time is untouched.
Well honestly, I dont think that Steve would know about a bunch if historical things that happened. I do think he would've known about 9/11, but he went under ice in like 1943 and came back around 2011. I don't expect SHIELD would have filled in Cap on American history up to 70 years.
Wibly Wobly, Timey Wimey
i gues you didn't understand how time travel worked in the movie if you change sometihing in the past it doesn't change your future but it creates another reality
@surfitlive so why did the snap still happen even though 2014 thanos died and why is 2023 nebula still alive if she killed her 2014 self and how did the snap happen if nat and clint took the soul stone in 2014 and after all hulk literaly sais changing your past does't change your future if you travel to the past then that past becomes your future and your former present becomes the past which can't now be changed by your new future also taking a stone out of it's place in time makes an alternate reality not just because they are stones the ancient one sais dark forces will be unleashed in their reality if the ston doesn't come back because she won't ve able to use the stone to defeat those forces like she did before also if you timetravel and change something and if you go back to your time nothing will be changed you just created an alternate reality in that moment you change something for example 2014 thanos dies so now there is a reality that we saw in endgame and a reality where he died and the snap never happened
Here was my idea, the avengers go back in time right before thanos destroyed the stones (instead of going to different times at different locations) gangbang and kill him, take the infinity guantlet, go forward to 2023, snap everyone back, and put the infinity guantlet back at thanos farm in 2019 for the past avengers to find, they also snap and it will create two timeline s where they both win
I like your idea but, there will no epic last battle ☹️
@@DireBox9990 yeah, i thought about it afterwards. thank god my idea didn't happen
Dude, mind blown
Finnsky dont you think thanos would still kill them?
Drax: why is Natasha? killed me lol
Everyone of these events was in Strange outcomes that failed.
My favorite video of you is still “Holding my breath...” 😂😂
The Strange theory would have worked since he was injured and dying before rewinding while Vision had wound, completely different situations.
"In Avengers Inf-
..game."
You need to watch the cartoon hooligans one
Wow been awhile sense i watched an Akasan video, he looks DIFFERANT without the beard. Also most of the history Cap and Peggy would have been apart of were things he was frozen during and had to learn about way later.
DBZ Time travel=MCU time travel
that made me think time travel will cause and solve so many problems and the time stone would've reversed the deaths in endgame but ... contracts lol
8:48 That's ratcist!
they didn't make the rat's fur white; he's wearing the suit that the Avengers wore for the time heist.
I think they put the rat in a dimensional suit.
Clean shaven Aka!! looking young, bro!
3:12 don’t you think that wouldn’t work since Thanos held Stormbreaker in the fight scene??
Davis Wildes Odin put the spell on Mjolnir
@@Lancehendrix813 Yeah, but there wasn't a spell that was put on Stormbreaker
Smokescreen i know that
The Rat was Mickey Mouse
Favorite youtuber
Thanos uses bubbles
cap just let bucky stay a hydra weapon
Yo I’m stupid and young, can someone explain the old captain america part so I can recognize or learn what it is lol
The time travel system in the MCU is weird
Yep, if they change the past they'll just created another dimension (new pararel world)
@@kaitokuroba7246 that's not really wierd....
I think it's revolutionary. Usually time travel rules create unsolvable paradoxes, this version of time travel actually works without leaving any unsolved questions
Besides time travel is just a concept, it hasn't been achieved in reall life so we wouldnt know how it actual impacts everything or how it would work. So theres no right or wrong versions of time travel
Am I the only person who when they immediately think of time travel they think of The CW way of time travel?
3:06 well his real name is Dionne✊🏾
Ant man could have shrunk thanos or dr strange could have sent them all to the mirror dimension for an easy win
Nebula murdered her past-self, and Gamora was taken to the future BEFORE she ever met the other Guardians of the Galaxy.
How DOES time travel work? LOL
its a single timeline so long as nothing significant changes, if something does then there is a new time line, one where the event plays out normally and one where its changed.
So if you go back with the stones to literally 5 seconds after they are removed then there is no change to that timeline and no new one is made.
If you take someone from that timeline to your future then now there is a new timeline in which they aren't there but yours doesn't change.
@@In-The-Zone I understand what you are trying to explain. However, your reasoning does not match the actual narrative of the film. The movie establishes that there is one singular timestream. As long as all the stones are placed back exactly when they were taken, then the singular timestream would remain. Captain America isn't the kind of guy to half-ass a mission, especially something that would affect the entire universe. He would place the stones exactly where and when they'd need to be returned. Therefore, what happened with past-Nebula and past-Gamera doesn't work based on the rules of a singular timeline.
Of course, that is just one of the many problems that "Avengers: Endgame" presents. The Ancient One also mentioned that all of the Infinity Stones are responsible for the balance of the timeline and existence, not just the Time Stone. That means when Thanos destroyed all of the Stones, it should have either completely disrupted or destroyed the universe. (It even muddles up Scarlett Witch's brief destruction of the Mind Stone in the previous movie.) I mentioned Captain America being precise. However, the filmmakers still screwed up the ending. When Captain America took back the Stones, they were all inside a briefcase. The Mind Stone was inside Loki's scepter when it was taken, but Capt didn't have the scepter when he started his time return mission. Of course, we can claim that he went back to the present to retrieve the scepter off-screen at some point. I'm just saying that it was still an error. Who knows what was going on with Loki escaping with the Tesseract. LOL
I love the movie overall. I happily watched it three times. I look forward to purchasing it on blu-ray. But the whole "That's not how time travel works" was just a flimsy excuse for the filmmakers to have their cake and eat it too. What really pissed me off was that they disrespected Back to the Future even though they used major plot points from Back to the Future. That is unforgivable. I can't go for that. No. No. No can do.
@@HighHeelKnight Since Cap went back with the stone that would be taken in the first place, he can give the stone version to the avengers there to collect them first, so no need to take the scepter, just hand the stone to that cap, and so on.
Also I think the fact that Thanos reversing time right away is why things don't freak out when the mind stone is destroyed since it was just 1. As for Thanos destroying them, he does specifically state he reduced them to atoms so in essence they are still there. Same might even apply for scarlet witch breaking the mind stone honestly.
Breaking vs removing from the universe/existence are very different after all.
I don't think there is an issue with the time travel tho, I only saw it once, and if you take it to mean that the mcu we've been watching wasn't in fact the "prime" timeline it all works...i think.
@@HighHeelKnight How did they disrespect "Back to the future"? I don't think you quite understand how the MCU time travel works, it's the same as the Dragon Ball franchise, if you travel to the past it doesn't change the present timeline(the main one), the timeline you traveled to will just become a separate reality. And Cap doesn't need the mind stone to be in the scepter when he returned it to the other timeline, they just need it to return it so that timeline's avengers can use it to fight beings like Dormammu, etc.
"The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one of the stones, and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much. In this new branch reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be overrun, millions would suffer."
―Ancient One
@@earthisnotflat7557 Hello Xigv,
A = How was Back to the Future disrespected? First there was Tony Stark's initial dismissal of Ant-Man's time heist idea. "Are you telling me that your plan to save the universe is based on Back to the Future?" That was said to make Ant-Man feel stupid and foolish. But Tony Stark is a bit of a pompous jerk to everyone, so I could let that slide. The real kick is when Hulk and Nebula dismiss all time travel mythology with their "That's not how time travel works" statement. I don't know the exact words of the scene but the conversation when something like...
Hulk = I don't understand where people get those ideas.
War Machine = Terminator. Timecop. The Time Machine. Bill & Ted. A Wrinkle in Time. Time After Time. Basically any movie that deals with time travel.
Hulk = Well they're all wrong.
Ant-Man = So Back to the Future is a bunch of bullshit?
RIGHT THERE! BLATANT DISRESPECT! The movie not only disrespected Back to the Future but also trashed pretty much every major time travel tale that has been told. Then Endgame had the nerve to use two major plot points from Back to the Future, and I nearly hopped out of my seat angry!
B = Of course, Captain America needs Loki's scepter. He is supposed to return the Infinity Stones to their correct times AND PLACES!! Plus the Mind Stone is one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe. Do you think he's going to leave the it on the floor or toss it into a garbage can or bury a few feet deep in a random forest? (I'm looking at you, Justice League film.) The Mind Stone was revealed in Age of Ultron when Ultron removed it from Loki's scepter. There was also the fact that Hyrda used the power of Loki's scepter to empower Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch. The Mind Stone had to be put into Loki scepter or else it would screw up a whole bunch of history.
C = Thank you for providing the quote by the Ancient One. I acknowledge that she said, "your reality, but my new one...new branch reality." I'll also acknowledge that the Doctor Strange solo movie officially introduced the concept of a Marvel multiverse. However, you have to acknowledge what Dr Banner said to counter the Ancient One's concern. He clearly demonstrated that if the Stones are put back into their proper time points, then a SINGULAR reality will be maintained. Banner's demonstration was used to emphasize the narrative of the movie more than the science of the movie.
As a lover of the Back to the Future franchise, I can be the first to acknowledge that the films failed to stick their landings with their time travel activities. However, the narrative of the franchise is that any alteration of the past can change the future. While the science and mechanics of the movies are not perfect, the narrative did it's best to be consistent that Marty and Doc Brown are bound to a primary singular timeline.
The same primary singular timeline was what the narrative of Avengers: Endgame is about. The narrative was not that the Avengers traveled through a multiverse to get the Stones. The narrative was that the Avengers went to different points in a singular timeline to the Stones. They did a time heist, not a multiverse heist or an alternate dimensions heist or a parallel worlds heist. It was a time heist. One Primary Singular Timeline!
U miss post credit scene
Because I am Batman
Can you please react to cartoon hooligans' version of how endgame should have ended?
Where do I get Because Im Batman tshirt at?
I’m guessing it’s hishe merch
4:10 another reason of why the cast hate Brie😂
Couldn't they have used the time machine to bring back Black Widow
Changing the past creates a new timelines. If they took Black Widow from the past into their present, they left a timeline where Black Widow doesn't exist anymore, that would be incredibly selfish of them.
@@diegopansini3152 by that thinking apparently didn't cap do that? And by the structure of a multiverse theory, anything that can happen will happen, doesn't that mean that they could go to a dimension/timeline/universe where Tony and/or Natasha's the only avenger/human left and would want to go with them, the same way cap was fine being with apparently another version of Peggy?
@@Dagenspear Tbh, that's the only thing that doesn't make any sense. Cap changed the past in so many ways, he should not be able to grow old in the same timeline
my god are you still saying heshe? its hishe. heshe would be how ending should have ended.
LANGUAGE