Center Channel battle!! Klipsch RC-64III vs RP-504C - Let's GOOOOOOOO
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A lot of compares as of late, but...one thing we glossed over previously….center channels. We unboxed, we disassembled, but we have yet to do a side by side. Today is the day ladies and gentleman. Well, for a top and bottom anyways…configuring them side by side would be less…well…
you get it…
anyways, come along on this journey with us as we point out the differences in the RP-504C and the RC-64 III in music as well as paired with a RP8000F for some movie and video game samples.
As always, thanks for watching!
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Great comparison fellas! I've got a pair of KG-5.2's and a RC-62ii and love 'em. I've found that for my set up the RC-62 fills in the weak mid range of my KG-5.2 quite nicely. I have some hearing loss due to years of being a diesel mechanic and farming, I love voice forward Klipsch horn speakers as I can hear voices in movies much easier than any other brand I tried. I gave $350 for the RC-62 in 2015. Klipsch were the first speakers that allowed me to hear little details that most speakers don't. I hear things like the guitarist's fingers rubbing the strings that I'd never heard before, mind blowing!
I just upgraded from the rp280f to the rf7iii and then upgraded my rp450c to the rc64iii. The rc64iii blended better to the rf7iii than the rp450c did. Also the rc64iii has a noticeable clarity difference especially when watching movies at higher volumes. The 450c struggled a little at higher reference type volumes .
Thanks for watching and for providing your personal experience. Always helps to get more info from others who have made the jump! Hope you are enjoying your new system. :)
-Jason
Was the upgrade from the rp280F to the rf7iiis worth it ? I’m considering the exact same upgrade. Along with the center channel as I have the 450 also.
@@swirvin704 sorry l just noticed this reply. The upgrade was 100% worth it. The rf7iii are a huge upgrade over the rp280f. As for the center the rc64iii is a bit cleaner in the vocals and projects in the room better. It pairs better with the rf7s better than the 450c did.
Would you be selling you to 450 c
@@midrangemolina4248 I am currently selling a 504c... Upgraded my rp8000fs to the RC7 iii's now looking to upgrade my center
The RC-64III sounds a lot more clearer in my opinion, but is really worth the price difference?
Depends on you and what you will be using it for. The 64 is a beast but if you're not going to unleash it, the 504 may be a better option for you.
-Jason
I prefer the smoothness of the 504C on the bottom and top end, it`s just less fatiguing for long listing, I couldn`t make it through a movie with the RC--64III it`s just sharp and bright on the top in. It`s weird, the RC-64III goes back and forth, bright and cheap sounding then perfectly blending the top and bottom end. The 504C stays smooth throughout like my Paradigm and Bower and Wilkins speaks.
Thanks for your thoughts! What amp were you using when you ran your tests/couldn't watch an entire movie? A lot of what people find to be lacking in the 7s as well as in the 64 is due to a lack of power. To get those larger drivers really moving and sounding great needs a lot of power.
-Jason
504 sounds more full to me while the 64 sounds thinned out. 64 definitely has an edge in the highs but the 504’s have much better mids.
Great video as always guys!🔥
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
How the klipsch rc 64ii match up with the klipsch rp 8000f ii 🤔
Thanks for watching! Sonically they will match great. The 64 is a bit beefier and you can push it a bit harder so, we see a lot of people upgrading the center first for dialog centric usage if they feel the 504 is lacking.
-Jason
What do you guys think about the rp-600c
Love the 600C as a space saver design. It sounds great just like the rest of the series but the cabinet volume is somewhat limiting. If you can fit the larger units, you would see an improvement. But if not, it will outperform most anything similar in size/shape.
-Jason
I’m trying to figure out which center is best to pair with rp8000 towers. Not sure if I need 450 or 404 or 504.
Thanks for watching! I typically like the 504C with the 8000s. Gives the best match with power handling as well as overall performance.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio thanks mate, subbed.
@@TopShelfAudio Hi Jason, how much better the rp-8000f II-s are to the RP-280f? RP-280f I can find for half the price. I'd use it for home theater movies 95% of time.
How the klipsch rc 64ii match up with the klipsch rc 64iii
Thanks for watching! Sonically they will match great. The 64 is a bit beefier and you can push it a bit harder so, we see a lot of people upgrading the center first for dialog centric usage if they feel the 504 is lacking.
-Jason
I hear there is the new RP line,i got the 8000 and the 504 a month ago for 700€ a piece,if I could have got the new ones,it's a bit aggravated to find out after just a month
It's always a bit frustrating when that happens. That said, that doesn't make your previous gen any less awesome. They are still amazing speakers. New versions don't detract from how awesome the previous gen was, it just builds on it. :)
-Jason
My friend has the 504 & I have the 64iii, when we go over each others house we can tell the difference since we’re so used to our systems.
64iii vocal clarity is improved
100% agree. Thanks for sharing your personal experience as well!
-Jason
After the first song, I didn't even care about the speakers, I went to you TH-cam and searched "Charlie Farley & Jason Helms" and watched/listened to everything I could. I have never heard of music like that. Tell them they have a new fan....Oh, and I'm 60 years old. 😁
Thanks for watching, even if only for a short bit. lol. Happy to hear you enjoyed their music. I will let them know for sure!
-Jason
I sent your statement to the guys....
YES!!! That music (Holy Water) is AWESOME!!!!!! Just perfect!! (I'm 50)
Love that song too - i’m 40!
Wow I’m impressed how both of these sound. They sound really good but the rc-64iii sound much clearer in my opinion. Can wait to try my rc-64iii and my rf7-111 i’ll have them this week😍
Let us know what you think once its all set up and rocking!
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio the sound coming out of it is insane i love it!
This is probably a novice question..but will using a room correction software like Dirac make the speakers sound similar since it corrects the frequency response?
Or is there more that affects (timbre?) besides what Dirac changes?
Mainly wondering about the “forwardness”.
Thanks!
I have the 8000 paired with the RC64iii, i watch movies most of the time. I hoping to upgrade the the right and left to RF7’s at some point. For this combo works great for a front stage.
Thanks for watching and for your input! Hope you are enjoying your system to its fullest! Great speakers all the way around.
-Jason
Hey Corey what AVR / power amp combo/combos r u using ?
Prime example, Listen to the 504C at @19:45 until 19:55, you get the vocal high notes with a smooth top end and can hear at the same time every bass not from the drummer blended smoothly, then the switch to the RC-64III and all the bass from the drummer goes missing and the drums like a transistor radio or boom box (cheap), the vocals stay forward, clear and bright but thin and sharp because the bass is removed.
multiple comments so, replying to your other.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudioHi guys. Did u ever get an answer to brian4631’s question? 🤔
Just ordered RP-504C. Moving from C2 Synergy to this. Will I see much of a difference? 😆
Not gonna lie, the synergy line was solid. I actually had a C2 a while back with some F3s and loved that system.
That said, yes. Yes you will notice a difference for sure. Not only are you gonna get a bit more overall "umph," but you'll see a refinement in the voicing as well. Let us know what you think when you get it all hooked up!
-Jason
Heresy iv give away soon lol. I dream of them every night 🙂
No plans for this at the moment but...who knows what the future holds! Good luck in advance if we do. :)
-Jason
I'm trying to listen to your videos of the RP-504C gen 1 vs gen 2 and this one back to back to try and compare the RP-504 gen 2 to the RC-64 gen 3. I felt like the RP-504C gen 2 offered the tighter and more controlled low end and a closer clearity to the RC-64 gen 3, but without the listening fatigue you might get from that RC-64 gen 3 due to its zingy nature close to the upper human hearing range.
So if I had to choose I would probably go for a RP-504C gen 2 which saves me a lot of money, and with that buy something else nice or put it towards some better front speakers for normal music listening in the livingroom (where we do our watching and listening).
Thanks for watching! Really all depends on your end game. I would recommend matching so, if you plan to go with the 7s, go with the 64 as it will be able to better "keep up" if you are pushing your system. If you were going with the 8000s, the 504 will be a great option and be similar in power handling.
-Jason
Hello boys
Need Rel vs SVS subs
Fantastic work
Thanks for watching! We will see what we can do in the future. :)
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio I just purchased a couple Starke sound SW15's ... amazing for the price
Last month, I purchased the Klipsch RP-8000F II with Klipsch SPL-150 subwoofers and RP-404C II center channel. In my opinion, the sealed 404c II can't keep up with the ported RP-8000F IIs. Entertainment Cabinet space limits me to the RP-404C II. The ported 504C will not fit.
Thanks for watching! In your amp/receiver, you may want to bring back the 8000s to match better if the center is having trouble keeping up. They are about a perfect match for the 504 but, due to the spatial constraints you mention, tuning and balancing will be your best bet to get the most of your system.
-Jason
Great demo guys. The 64lll definitely more clear and detailed. The other speaker sounds more boomy.
Thanks for watching and for your thoughts!
-Jason
I don't think the 64III is any clearer, I just think it has too much treble.
504 slightly muffled. Very slightly!
I got a cheap Klipsch R-25C and it still sounds great. I doubt I need a RC-64 lll instead of the RP-504C
Thanks for watching! 100% you're call. For sure a difference there but, the cost to benefit ratio sways different from one person to the next.
-Jason
My upgrade path was R-25C to RP-440C to RP-504C. The RP line is a huge step up from the reference line. R-25C sound very "boxy" and narrow. RP-504 will likely be more than enough for your situation if you are satisfied with the R-25C. I picked up the RP-504C in immaculate condition on offer up for $300 cash. The RC-64III is not worth it unless you have a massive room, huge wallet, and a separate amplifier. I was VERY surprised with the RP-440C. The improvement in vocal clarity and soundstage was immense, coming from the R-25C. I also got my R-25C for cheap, I think like $60 or so.
I have the 450c is the 504c worth the upgrade. I no it has a new vented tweeter. I bought all my stuff from cory through fb . But now that the version twos are out of these center channels the 504 has drop in price considerably. But idk if its worth the upgrade or not. Running the 450c with 280fa for front stage. 450c running off a emotiva xpa 5 gen 2 at 250 watts
Great info! I'm VERY interested in following Trey's home theater build.
Thanks for watching! Hope to start rolling on this asap. :)
-Jason
Currently running a RP 504C with my RF7 III's I purchased from you guys. Gotta say in Movies I can't tell much of a difference in timbre, and they seem to match really well, while using an AVR or the added amp to power all 3. Still wondering If I should upgrade to the RC64III or not as I am not sure I am lacking at all
100% your call. We didn't notice much of a difference in timbre. most of what you see going between the two is going to be power handling and the center channels ability to "keep up" when you are pushing the 7s. The 64 is certainly a big step up, but when listening at low volumes or not pushing the 7s super hard, the 504 will do a great job.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio I usually listen at around -9 or -10 MV on the AVR, which i believe is around 85-95 db or more? Not sure, and I have them powered by an Emotiva BasX A3 3ch amp which i believe is around 140 watts RMS per channel; all 3 L/C/R driven
Before I say this, I want to lead with; the 7s probably do sound great with that amp, as I've pushed em with something similar and they sounded good.
Now, that said, they are probably a bit hungry for more juice. The 504 can likely keep up because you aren't able to push the 7s to their full capabilities with that AVR. If you were to upgrade amps and unleash the true potential of the 7s, you may notice the 504 start to fall behind a bit.
If you are happy with your setup as is, no need to rock the boat. Buuuut...even at lower volumes, the sound of the 7s will improve with more available power.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio this is the exact predicament I'm in. I just received my RF7iiis a few days ago. Upgraded from rp8000fs. I am currently using the rp504c. I am also using a basx a3 amp to power the front stage. I want to upgrade to a 200w or 250w/channel amp for the front stage now to give those rf7iii's some more power. Any advice on what a good amp would be? Should I go 200 watts or 250? I watch mostly movies with the occasional party. I know I will have to upgrade the center to the rc64 at some point.
@@ranvirsingh6640 I too am using a BasX A3 amp for the L/C/R but I was told a jump to a 200-250 W amp will not be as much of a "jump". Was told you need at least 350 or 400+ to notice an actual improvement as you would need maybe double the watts or higher to notice a difference at this level
I'm thinking of replacing my R34C with an RP-504C now that I have room for a bigger speaker (new TV and mount). I have the RP-600Miis for my L/R.
I wish klipsch made a Reference Premier 3-way instead of a 2.5 and solve the horizontal directivity limitations
What reciever ya guys using? ( all speakers from all of the speaker channels ) I currently use the Sony STR-DH790 7.2 Dolby Atmos AV.R. Reciever for my 5.1 Klipsch speakers ( single klipsch sub ) But what low price reciever is best for my speakers? I have Klipsch Reference Series Speakers. ( 2 bookshelf speakers for back surround, and the 2 tower speakers and center dual woofer center channel speaker. They do sound awesomely incredible sounding clean! But what other reciever can be much better and low price? All my speakers costed me $500 per speaker and $450 for my reciever, 350 for the 10 inch sub. Like i said before, All my 5.1 speakers and the sub is the Klipsch branded and Sony branded 7.2 reciever. 150 watts on all 7 channels. My surround speakers are 400 watts peak, Center speaker 600 watts. All 8 Ohm speakers, my reciever outputs 6 ohms to 16 ohms. What reciever is low price that can output atleast 300 watts per channel?
Thanks for watching! We are using a NAD T778 receiver in this video. You're going to have trouble finding a receiver/AVR thatll push 300 WPC. Receivers typically cap out in the 150WPC range which would be a decent fit for the speakers you listed. That said, if you wanted to get into the 300WPC range and give yourself quite a bit of headroom, you'll want to start looking into separates.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio Ok and thanks for the info!
I prefer the 504 I think it sounds more natural. the 64iii is OVERLY BRIGHT. I may be biased because I have the 8000F paired to the 504C. But seriously the 64iii hursts my ears it not smooth in my opinion on the low end. It doesn't blend well.
Thanks for watching and for the input! Everyone is entitled to their opinions!
-Jason
Awesome!
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
Hey Guy's Great Stuff, I've Been Watching This Show For Some Time Now ( Just Hoping For Response Cause This Is A Serious Question!) And Outta The Speakers You've Listen To Over The Years, Is PERLISTEN That Much Better Than Most??? Or Can I Stick With Klipsch Speakers, And Still Be Good To Go, Far As Music, Movies 🎬 Ect.Ect??? I've Heard Alot Of Great Things About, PERLISTEN ( VERY EXPENSIVE THOUGH 😳!) KEFS ECT.ECT But I Like Klipsch ( Thinking 🤔 About Upgrading To The RF 7iii And The RC-64 lll??? But Still Despite The PRICE Don't Want To Miss Out On The PERLISTEN OR KEF SPEAKERS!) And That's Because I Only Had For Most Part , Have And Only Know Klipsch Speakers!!! So I Just Need To Hear Feedback On This, When Time Permits, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT
the microdetails and accuracy of the Perlisten can't be beat. However this hobby is all about having fun. If you're happy with what you're running, no matter what that is, then just run it and be happy. But, drive down to Paducah and I can show you the difference. I have all of the above on hand.
Thanks guys!
Thanks for watching!
-Jason
My thing is. Upgrading this vs the l and r is huge cost difference. 4500 or so vs 1500 or however much it is. So imo if you have a 5.1 do 64 iii first. Thats my opinion. Im debating on which to buy.
the real wood veneer and real compression driver of the RF / RC's just make it much better once you crank it up. Down low it's hard to tell the difference. Otherwise that compression driver is really noticeable on cymbals, glass breaking, the beater on the skin of kick drums, etc. Call me sometime about the rf-7 iii. 270-556-8427
seems like the 64 is the clear winner. Doesn't seem as much bass, but clearer, especially vocals (purpose of a center channel)
Thanks for watching and for your input!
-Jason
To my very untrained ears, the RC-64 III's sound better. Listening to this video on a Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 system, and there's a noticeable difference.
Thanks for watching! Definitely a difference for sure. :)
-Jason
Will there be a problem if I pair the RP 504 II with the OG RP 8000F ? Thanks
Problem? Na. We see a lot of people that can only justify upgrading one component at a time and rock them for years like that. If you want to upgrade one first then the rest down the line, that's completely fine.
-Jason
What's the best reciver to push 64iii and r7iii?
Listening though rp504c...yeah the rc64iii Def sound cleaner. But it's also 3x the price 😂
For sure. That's gonna play a huge part in the decision for most but, bang for buck, they feel pretty linear.
-Jason
We need the same with the new rp-504c II
Unfortunately I don't have enough sales of those to justify trying to fund a new video.
Is the jump to a rc64iii and rf7iii that much of a difference to warrant almost quadruple the price of the rp series gen 2 I have I paid 1300 for my lcr 504c and 5000f gen 2 the rc64iii alone is more than my three speakers
In short, yes. It's a huge difference. The RP line is awesome and is by no means a slouch, especially with the latest gen upgrades edging it closer and closer to the 7s but...given the right power and environment, the 7s will blow them away every time. Does the upgrade justify the cost? That will be more of a personal question as, the answer will vary for everyone depending on their listening needs and their environment.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio I know eventually I’ll want to get the rf7 and rc64 combo but at this time it’s out of my price ranges reason I asked is because there is someone selling a b stock rc64iii in cherry locally for 850 but then I’d need the matching towers and I missed my opportunity to get a pair for 1800 b stock also
@@danemoreno88 short answer Fk no! And they don’t blow them away. And as you can read in the comments sometimes the 64 bass and mid might not sound better. So to say blow them away is a bit much.
Will the 64 go with the fortes?
It works great. the 64 seems to be the most common horizontal center pairing for Heritage when an identical LCR isn't an option.
-Jason
How do you think Rc-64iii sounds in a small room??
works fine, I just wouldn't sit much closer than 9' away from any Klipsch speaker, even smaller ones.
I hope no one is buying with these inflation prices!!!. It's ridiculous!!
On the contrary, Some awesome deals to be had on the RP line with the new gen releasing. 64 is still regular price and worth every penny but, if looking to score a great deal, RP line is where it's at at the moment.
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio 64iii is not the regular price. The regular price was $1499. You guys now have it for $1829.
I purchased my rf7 iii from you guys early last yr and was considering the 64 later on. Cory quoted me a great price at the time. I doubt that quote is still in effect with all these price hikes.🤦🏽
Regular price is relative. Was mostly saying its not on sale like the RP line currently. Unfortunately with the market, regular price/retail is higher now than a year or two ago. Time will tell where these prices are headed. We will see. But hopefully they curve in the other direction soon.
-Jason
Mycelium that song is it the name of the song I can't find it on tidal?
I don't think its on tidal, but you can find a link to listen on the artists page in the description of this video. He has a huge collection of music to listen to on that page.
-Jason
I liked it the moment it started I said wow this my kind of music
Please cover more Perlisten!
We did quite a bit of perlisten unboxings and tests towards the end of Season 1. Check them out if you haven't already. :)
-Jason
Can Marantz sr-8015 drive RC-64III+RP-8000F+RP-600m well? Personal budget can only do this configuration!
Klipsch speakers are very efficient. At 140 WPC it will easily drive those speakers.
@@bigelile07 thanks
Yes it can, and it'll sound great. It's a pretty great matchup for the 8ks and the 600s. That said, the 64III could handle a bit more power if given. If you are rocking this system and find you are missing a bit in the center, you could always add an external amp using the pre-outs on the receiver to give it that extra umph.
-Jason
Well neither is good. Terrible horizontal dispersion is a huge no no for a center speaker. Klipsch has a lot to learn about center speakers.
Have you heard them in person? Having listened to the full system on both gens, I completely disagree.
-Jason
Much less dramatic differences (at least based on TH-cam) as opposed to your RP-8000F vs RF7 III battle where the differences were vast. I am sad as I had a AV cabinet built 7 years ago and it can't accommodate the 64, I have a RC-62ii currently, but would be forced to use a RP-404C in the current lineup.
The differences are for sure there but don't always come across over the mic. I would take a 64 any day of the week if budget was no concern.
As for your centers, maybe an alternate option in the future but, for now the 62 is probably still killin it for ya, right?
-Jason
@@TopShelfAudio The 62ii seems to be fine, I just know it does not measure when on some reviews has a few holes in the frequency response. I can't tell, but I do wish dialogue were a bit cleaner, not sure of that is speakers fault. I wish I lived near you guys, but then if I cam in an listened I would probably go broke on the higher end RF-7iii line ;-) Love your videos and how out call out the differences.